protection

[inner arch]

Besides vdh kinda feels like tanks are pretty balanced dmg wise

[lusty grotto]

def won't happen during the race

vdh is dead last in ST

[inner arch]

Yea

Pretty weak

[lusty grotto]

but otherwise you would be right

[inner arch]

That’s what I meant

[lusty grotto]

thats fine though, they are the key tank

[inner arch]

Outlier the negative side lol

[lusty grotto]

so fuck their ST dmg

[inner arch]

Yea

[rough nest]

Just missing on some hero helm or shoulders 🫡

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[lusty grotto]

run lfr

🙂

o

[vocal flame]

Wow! Grats!

[lusty grotto]

you dont need to lmao

yeah gz

i wonder how many pieces ill get on today's split

[plush tendon]

going 4pc to 4pc for Prot War is huge

[lusty grotto]

probably none since im still a recruit

[rough nest]

got lucky with LFR gloves

[lusty grotto]

trial, or w/e

nice

[rough nest]

champion chest, hero legs

[fluid widget]

What’s tier

[plush tendon]

champ tier is just as good as hero tier imo

[fluid widget]

How do I get it 😭

[lusty grotto]

some people have all the luck mandragoran

[plush tendon]

not like you upgrade past hero crests for hero tier

[plush tendon]

I know, its great

[lusty grotto]

or are fed gear

[plush tendon]

Moles like myself eating well

[lusty grotto]

i would know

i got all the luck

[sharp gale]

Yeah I was really amazed on the ulria spreadsheet how absurd strong our set is with others

[lusty grotto]

the bad luck

🙂

[past torrent]

How fast we breaking set pieces?

[lusty grotto]

we're not

[vital vale]

how do you leap out of the void pull on last boss ara kara? either its not possible anymore or im doing it wrong

[lusty grotto]

its possible

[sharp gale]

You still can do it

[vital vale]

when should i leap?

[rough nest]

I leap into a puddle

[sharp gale]

I did in mines

[lusty grotto]

yeah its not nerfed at all

immediately after the suck or as it happens

[trim delta]

Clarifying question: During execute phase, execute functions as a rage dump, rather than a priority right? Like we priority TB and SS + Shield block/ignore pain, and just dump whatever is left over on Execute?

[frozen berry]

Leap after it does the small jerk to your character

[solid sun]

Small jerk into big leap

[lusty grotto]

execute is never a rage dump

[vital vale]

which is right before the cast finishes?

[lusty grotto]

ever

its a button you want to press for big damage

rage dump seems reductive

[sharp gale]

Like Nim says it’s when she grabbed all of you, your char does a lil jump if you stay in melee, it means you got grabbed, you can leap

[trim delta]

Reductive, but as long as we aren't overcapping rage, we want to use TB/SS first and have rage for mitigation, right?

[lusty grotto]

no

[sharp gale]

It’s around 1.5 sec remaining on the cast

[lusty grotto]

i mean SB sure

[vital vale]

ok ty

[lusty grotto]

but IP not so much

[inner arch]

Yee would not prio IP over execute

[lusty grotto]

you play execute phases like you do colossus

[sharp gale]

You will see what lil jump I’m talking about

[lusty grotto]

wait didnt i say this this morning

[vital vale]

ill be on the look out for it

[lusty grotto]

am i repeating myself

[trim delta]

I guess the difference is, when I play colossus, I have time to press execute lol

I have so much rage with MT that it feels hard to fit in other than the afterthought

[lusty grotto]

so consider not pressing an SS

but def dont prio it over TB

[trim delta]

Got it

[sharp gale]

In my runs I had a hard time to keep pressing shield slam bc rage

[lusty grotto]

if whirling procs

[sharp gale]

It is beyond mousewheel IP at times

[lusty grotto]

you can be on a weird situation where you will have huge cap outs

yeah

it is what it is

[solid sun]

Even as col this week I’ve noticed moments where I had more rage than I was expecting

[sharp gale]

I think it is the double rage talent instigate + bloodsurge

That creates the too much

And whirling that comes out of nowhere every 5 sec yeah

[lusty grotto]

thats just back to back procs of free revenges probably rhino

bigger pulls tend to have more parries

so you basically proc it repeatedly

[solid sun]

That plus whirling blade procs

[lusty grotto]

of course

[solid sun]

Still getting used to those just zooming out

[sharp gale]

I only tanked maybe 4-5 dungeons, at one point I was pressing revenge way more than I was gonna expect from thane

Pretty sure I’m doing something wrong, will wait set to figure out

[solid sun]

With all that rage how low is your shield wall cd getting to

Maybe we can engineer 100% uptime on shield wall

[lusty grotto]

you guys are also playing thane with s2 4pc

meaning youre having SC as a global more often

[sharp gale]

I didn’t log this day bc I was really going improv on the routes and clueless about dungeons, and, I only did 9s as highest, I never felt I was at threat so didn’t pay attention to wall charge

[lusty grotto]

also just to be clear, i meant delay SS

you want to SS to proc TBs

just imagine if we had s1 rage

[lime urchin]

frens, what combat and utility curios you play?

[lusty grotto]

hat and aegis or w/e

[vocal flame]

yes!!! There is sooo much rage haha I love it

[trim delta]

If execute does less than a TB, then wouldn't we want to prio SS to get more TBs?

[sharp gale]

Yes it’s true shield charge is more present for now

[lusty grotto]

these 2

[lusty grotto]

no

youre still hitting it

it just depends on rage

watch your rage bar

and play IP like colossus does

meaning less focus on using it as Thane to dump off-gcd

and if youre really worried about defensiveness simply just extend it

but thats only in execute phases, which are not long at this point in the season unless youre doing a boss fight

play your rage bar, is the tl;dr

[sharp gale]

4min+ first boss ara smh

[trim delta]

I understand the rage bar. I think I may have not stated my question clearly

[neat wharf]

best rule of thumb for us a 4pc - 4pc swap or is 2pc - 2pc good?

[solid sun]

All those bosses take an hour. All three of them

[lusty grotto]

4pc swap

[vocal flame]

4pc to 4pc

[lusty grotto]

i feel like youre overthinking this

[neat wharf]

tyty

[trim delta]

If I'm not going to overcap rage, still prio is TB > Execute> SS?

[lusty grotto]

no

[trim delta]

Then the prio is TB > SS > Execute?

[sharp gale]

I did one as fury first, it was itching my head it’s bc I’m not the tank, and then I tanked it, ppl just don’t have good boss dmg

[lusty grotto]

yes in that situation

[trim delta]

BRO THA

That's what I typed 10 mins ago lol

[lusty grotto]

what

[trim delta]

I said, if I'm not overcapping then prio TB and SS + SB etc, and dump whatever is left on execute. You said no

[lusty grotto]

i said rage dump is reductive

[trim delta]

BRO

That is semantics lolol

What

[lusty grotto]

yes

it is

[trim delta]

Jesus christ man

[lusty grotto]

i thought that was obvious

[trim delta]

Homie, I had the right idea and we went back and forth for like 10 mins, when you could have just said yes lol

[lusty grotto]

can you calm down

[trim delta]

Bro whattttt''

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/woosah-ears-relax-bad-boy-ii-martin-lawrence-gif-16390662

[lusty grotto]

i meant no to rage for mitigation

is this whats confusing you?

meaning this

[lusty grotto]

is that more clear now?

[sharp gale]

are we allowed to say IP is a rage dump ?

[lusty grotto]

sure

just to piss off reddit

[trim delta]

Yes I got the ignore pain part. But do you not see how your response could have been misleading at all?

[lusty grotto]

yeah i can see it

the fact that i had to clear it up is proof enough

but hopefully thats clearer now

no need to flip out though

[solid sun]

It does feel different, calling IP a rage dump and calling execute a rage dump

[lusty grotto]

im trying my best here

[tight maple]

Do we play colo in keys with old tier still?

[solid sun]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

correct

rat tired

[sharp gale]

how many % i need before entering first boss gambit corridor ?

[tight maple]

Is the bleed amp in hero talent worth it in keys?

[lusty grotto]

for colossus, yes always

and especially with s3 4pc, but you shouldnt play colossus with that one anyway

[solid sun]

I jumped down to the left and pulled everything on the far left and like two groups to the right of that path. I think two giants

Idk what the percentage was but it worked

[tight maple]

same here, everything on the left worked for us

[lament zealot]

How far is Colossus behind Thane with new tier?

[lusty grotto]

far

colossus needs buffs

[tight maple]

Alot afaik

[lusty grotto]

and also it doesnt help that its bleed focused

which means if shit dies fast, youre not even getting the full round of bleed damage

[warm plinth]

Whatever 42.77 - the count of one starcaller is

Since you can't skip the first 2 starcallers anymore

Have to kill one

[solid sun]

I might shoot for KSM this evening

I’m like 500 and something off

[warm plinth]

I literally just need any Ara key and I'll have it

[solid sun]

lol nice

[lusty grotto]

should be easy to get

[solid sun]

Yeah should be. I think I’ll actually end up getting 10s done this week

[lusty grotto]

likely

[solid sun]

Everything but Streets and AK felt mostly free so far

[warm plinth]

Yeah streets is rough

Not hard, just shit timer

[solid sun]

Mhm

And AK isn’t hard either. The bosses just live forever

The freaking scarab lord idiot

[warm plinth]

Is that the one with like the eye of the storm type mechanic

[solid sun]

I legit thought we were just stuck there in time forever. Never getting out

Yeah he does spikes in a cone in front of him, summons bug swirlies to dodge, charges

[warm plinth]

Yeah thats an interesting fight lol

[solid sun]

And also makes the whole arena a storm except right in front of him

I swear we fought him with no deaths for what felt like a legit 5 full minutes

[warm plinth]

I have only done that dungeon once on m0 so far

[solid sun]

lol

It’s the only time so far I’ve legit been tempted to mock my dps players

[warm plinth]

👀

[solid sun]

Captain hook tail still sucks

I forgot how much I hated tanking that boss

I might not ever do the hard mode taz because I just never want to fight that boss ever

[warm plinth]

People not stacking is brutal on that boss

Inevitably in pugs you have the two ranged chilling in Narnia

[solid sun]

Yeah dude we had fire everywhere

I’m just like idk what y’all want me to do here

Why is the entire fucking arena made out of lava

[fluid widget]

How’s big momma feel without spell block?

[solid sun]

Easy

[mighty valley]

they drastically nerfed electrocrush, right

[torn gulch]

it is just me or streets is actually insane

as a dungeon

[west turtle]

are you guys crafting shield w1 or going for belt + bracers?

[solid sun]

She has been a huge nothingburger so far for us

[torn gulch]

timer got cut too much and some of the bosses hurt bad

[lusty grotto]

shield first

[fluid widget]

Fantastic

[solid sun]

Streets is def going to be the hardest to consistently time

IMO

[warm plinth]

They cut the timer while adding mandatory trash; they literally don't play their game.

[pastel sleet]

are we still stacking haste to infinity? every sim i run it waay lower prios the haste items in droptimizer

[fluid widget]

Most forgiving timers? didn’t get to do any m+ yesterday 🙁

[warm plinth]

New dungeon is HELLA lenient

[torn gulch]

dawnbreaker

eco dome

looks lenient

gambit

[mighty valley]

haste until you're comfy on shield block with ITF

[warm plinth]

Gambit was pretty free but 2nd boss will age you

[mighty valley]

then you can just follow sims tbh, other stats will add more if they're real low

bear in mind that your sb uptime will drop when you switch to s3 tier

[warm plinth]

Streets and HoA have been worst timers for me so far

[fluid widget]

I’m trying to be a good warrior again and manually doing shield block, hard to relearn muscle memory

[pastel sleet]

ive got s3 4p and 720 shield... currently at 27000 haste

[mighty valley]

well damn

[warm plinth]

He's yuge

[solid sun]

HoA timer isn’t as bad imo because the trash has died so fast so far

[warm plinth]

I have a 12 rn so probably gonna try 10 with the route the guy gave me last night

See how it goes

[solid sun]

I incorporated a few more of the gargoyles in my last attempt than I anticipated

[warm plinth]

Yeah the route i was given kills a few of them

[mighty valley]

the gargoyles used to be our friends...

[warm plinth]

🙁

[lusty grotto]

feel free to sim if you're comfy with ITF

and SB uptime

[warm plinth]

it's pretty normal for crit/vers to outsim for damage after a while. We push haste because it's necessary for survival to a point and still a good dps stat

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[restive oak]

are you sure shield is first craft? theres a very nice shield on second boss

[warm plinth]

Shield is first priority. If you wait to craft and get shield then you skip it

A lot of mythic raiders do that because there's often a shield at the start of the raid

[sharp gale]

ok thx, once again, i tag in a gambit, and i'm in a street when the key launch x)

i'm really unsure about the murlok area with the new fish sticks

[warm plinth]

Honestly they're a complete joke

They die fast, and you have to not have eyes to miss them. They're gigantic and glowy

[lusty grotto]

thats why ive always accompanied the craft comment with "if you cant kill 2nd boss, and do not have guaranteed loot"

[restive oak]

i don't think we can kill it yet,k but like next week probably

[warm plinth]

Better get in the habit of whispering to ask now because that autolist bug has been a thing since shadowlands

[restive oak]

and not overly contested

[warm plinth]

And when you list yours, put the name in the title

[solid sun]

I feel like it kinda depends too. Like if you craft the shield now and get three weeks of use out of it before looting the mythic shield is that a waste?

Maybe not

[warm plinth]

Depends on your mentality I suppose.

[restive oak]

yeah, am kinda torn

theres a decent sword on first boss too

[warm plinth]

I have a friend who is like forever afraid he's replacing something two seconds from now haha

[solid sun]

lol

At the end of the day it’s just pixels

We aren’t spending our nest eggs

Ain’t gotta stress about it

If you want a shield right now send it. You’ll get good use out of it

[mighty valley]

yeah, it's silly to craft if there's a chance of replacing same week, but like

[vocal flame]

You will always get crests too

[mighty valley]

early season power matters more than being bis at the end tbh

[restive oak]

but if i buy a weapon now my parses will look better :p

[lusty grotto]

week 1 parses lol

[warm plinth]

I'm all about what makes me stronk now

[vocal flame]

What ilevel do you think is ok for +2s this season? 685? I am 675 now and M0s seem pretty easy

[solid sun]

Send it

[lament osprey]

I’m 676 doing 10s your fine

[restive oak]

675 is more than fine

[vocal flame]

10s??? holy crap

[warm plinth]

I was 682? when I did my first 10

[restive oak]

but there will be alot of competition with higher ilvl

[vocal flame]

damn you guys are kings lol

[warm plinth]

Which is where I was at end of last season

[vocal flame]

Ok cool, Imma try it today

[undone beacon]

Ulduar hero box gave me another fucking shield ughhh

third hero shield this week

[solid sun]

No, they’re prot wars

[warm plinth]

There haven't been a lot of places I was even worried so far

[vocal flame]

Thank You!

[mighty valley]

playing the class well and the team knowing the dungeon is worth a billion ilvl

[warm plinth]

I think priory miniboss kinda sucked

Magic sword bitch before last boss

[solid sun]

Which one

[lament osprey]

Knowledge is power, friend

[solid sun]

Oh lol

The undead paladin

[mighty valley]

oh, bronjames or whatever

[solid sun]

Yeah he cranks

[warm plinth]

Yeah he was spicy

[mighty valley]

he's always fucked

[vocal flame]

Well my team is a pug sooooo haha

[solid sun]

Harder to live than the boss

[mighty valley]

in a kind of invisible way

[mighty valley]

honestly we can get pretty far with just our cc kit and disrupting shout

if the dps kicks ever, that's just gravy in a 2

[vocal flame]

Awesome

Physical damage is just so easy, I love prot so much

[warm plinth]

Ngl first boss scared me a couple times too but mostly because the healer was taking seventeen years to dispel me

[mighty valley]

did you go left or right

[warm plinth]

Left

[solid sun]

I went right

[warm plinth]

Right is a lot of space denial on boss and people can't seem to even manage the built in denial

Without adding tanner into it

I'll adjust if peolle really wanna do that this season but for now I'm sticking left

People*

[solid sun]

Suleyman is so much better

[warm plinth]

Yeah he's wonderful

What shield slam amirite

[solid sun]

What a giant baby now

[spark river]

Do shields just break faster than everything else because of block?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[distant fractal]

I kinda wish instead of a 35% chance for 5 ionizing strikes, it was like a 60% chance to happen, and theres 5 chances.

So you get a few, or get all 5 if your lucky. Same amount of damage but I just like the effect of thunderstrikes rippling through the targets.

[spark river]

First bosses bleed on 9 was scary going higher atm scares my 675 butt

[warm plinth]

Well, if it helps, at least you already had tyrannical at +9 this week haha

[spark river]

Lmao not really

[delicate flame]

Do we drop s2 tier set for s3 hero track armor pieces?

[vocal flame]

4pc for 4pc or sim but probably not

[delicate flame]

ait

[frosty mango]

I’ve gotten 4 sets of heroic shoulders from m+

Guess what tier piece I got in my vault

Oh and also got a cloak from Timewalk heroic weekly

The loot gods laugh at me

[azure crag]

When fighting inquisitor Sigar in HoA, do you just drag him on top of the lost souls, or take him into the back room?

[warm plinth]

So far I think people have been fighting him up top and just letting the adds come in

Unless you have like insane spread aoe to kill the adds in the pews fast

[dim token]

sorry i dont get the rotation priority, under what circumstances we use execute?
by following the logic of the priortity list, you can never execute because you would have used revenge

[lusty grotto]

execute overtakes revenge

[dim token]

basically if u have slam, u slam, and if u dont u revenge for slam.
with tihis logic u can never execute?

[lusty grotto]

on that target count

[dim token]

oh

[lusty grotto]

its all target count based

[dim token]

so execute shoudl actually be 11 and revenge is 12

[mighty valley]

does it move up if you take Heavy Handed?

[lusty grotto]

oh you dont have heavy handed

[mighty valley]

yeah check that box

[lusty grotto]

without heavy handed, that prio is 100% correct

[swift hare]

hey ijust got my 704 shield from m+, should i craft 720 weap or embelish?( 691 weapon champion,665 bracers)

[lusty grotto]

shield

gilded crafted > hero track

[dim token]

and if i get an outburst proc on st, do i not tc intentionally so i can spend it on slam? or i jsut keep the rotation flowing

[warm plinth]

Generally you SS, try to fish an SS with revenge for a couple globals if you can, then sigh in disappointment and send it on TC

[late hawk]

hold for Slam, you can revenge/execute to fish for a slam reset if not up

[lusty grotto]

right

SS or TB

TB as a prio

[dim token]

got itt

[lusty grotto]

since it looks like hes doing thane

[dim token]

thane

[late hawk]

is mastery weighted more in aoe? sim is favoring my mastery rings over haste rings for dungeon cleave, or is that not reliable atm

[lusty grotto]

not really

it depends on your stat distribution

[warm plinth]

Oh, gotcha, yeah didn't realize

Dungeon cleave? wdym by that

We don't use dungeon slice sim

[lusty grotto]

and yes you shouldnt do dungeon cleave

5 target 1.5 min / 1 min ideally

its likely it'll give you the same results but still

[jagged pier]

i dont get pugs in week 1 honestly, in a 10 a dps dies on first boss, other dps call gg and leave

brah

its week one

[lusty grotto]

that shit

[jagged pier]

fill out the vault

[lusty grotto]

happens

to me

all the fucking time

i dont get it either

hasnt happened yet, but im just farming gilded on dh

like the whole point is to get gear and crests, not to boost your io

[jagged pier]

I just dont understand the mentality we probably could have still timed as well

[lusty grotto]

so idk why they just leave

[jade tartan]

when are we switching to

[lusty grotto]

or do the vote thing i guess, i havent seen it

[jade tartan]

mountain thane

[lusty grotto]

when you get 4pc

s3 4pc

[jade tartan]

with 2p its still colossus?

[jagged pier]

i did not see the vote thing

ppl just left

[lusty grotto]

you can 2pc as thane in raid/st if you want, but for keys you want the fulll 4pc

otherwise you colossus

[jade tartan]

got you

[lusty grotto]

do they not get the thing?

[jade tartan]

tyty

[warm plinth]

I've been lucky thus far; people have been super chill even on the one dungeon we did not time

I don't think the first leave gets you the mark or w/e

It builds up or something

[lusty grotto]

i thought they got leaver status or something

oh

[jagged pier]

same

[lusty grotto]

people like that got into my banlist instantly

on previous seasons

for some fucking reason its mostly warlocks

[warm plinth]

Brief search but I don't see any specific information on the deserter system

Just the vague shit they gave us when it was announced in the one interview

[lusty grotto]

i mean naguura said it was on

[warm plinth]

It's on, but I mean we don't have like

information on it

[lusty grotto]

i have no reason to not believe naguura

[warm plinth]

Like the specifics

[lusty grotto]

🙂

yea

uhh

there should be a blue post explaining it, or maybe im misremembering

[azure crag]

Oh snap, execute takes priority over shield slam and thunderclap/blast on CD?

Well damn, I'll keep that in mind

[glossy wind]

How do i craft a pve wep?

[late hawk]

ok doing this gave me results that look closer to what i was expecting, thanks

[delicate prairie]

we are prot colo til 4p for thane, correct?

[azure crag]

Is there a minimum number of targets where execute is more important than shield slam/thunderclap?
I assume its the full three

or is two enough?

[sharp gale]

It was on the ptr

On ptr if you left without ff 20 : you have sacrifice mark

[warm plinth]

Used your route; timed the key!

[valid shuttle]

are we saving sparks still or do i send one on shield?

[frosty mango]

Ran this on a 12 today, double ankle biter pull went badly lol

[frosty mango]

What level did you run? I really liked the route except for the damn ankle biters those are awful

[valid shuttle]

also, if i'm playing fresh char with no s2 gear and 2p s3 set, do i go thane or colossus

[frosty mango]

I would prob play thane at that point

If you have no s2 tier you might? get some value out of colossus with only 2pc but imo you’d be better off getting the muscle memory and just playing thane

[valid shuttle]

yeah i decided last week i'm gonna play pwarr, thank god for weathered crafts

[warm plinth]

10

[undone beacon]

So far modern halls, are people doing that thing where you take the mini before last boss into a corner and zerg it down?

Or are we killing the room?

[warm plinth]

So I just took it to the back but it's not so much a zerg as you just resign yourself to her healing lol

She spawns like a billion adds at once so it's just cleaner that way imo

[lusty grotto]

nice to see streets pugging hasnt changed

[warm plinth]

[lusty grotto]

surprisingly

only wiped on zagron and soazmi

no mail room wipes

but oof

[solid sun]

So many unsoaked puddles

[lusty grotto]

nah

at least not this group

also i got 1 shot on zagron for some fucking reaosn

[frail pewter]

Hey friends is prot war apl bugged for anyone else?

[lusty grotto]

its not

clear cache is the common solution if youre getting errors

[jagged pier]

delete the tome string

[round pendant]

I hate eco-dome

[lusty grotto]

nah

pugging streets is the real hell

eco dome is super chill

[round pendant]

the routing is just so scuffed

everything patrols

I'm just yoloing it and it felt scuffed as hell

[warm plinth]

I went in completely blind and just pulled random shit

[round pendant]

same

but just a +2 since I gotta level my key up

[warm plinth]

Could not tell you what my route was

Though I think I have it on vod

[round pendant]

feel like that won't work later

[warm plinth]

If you wanna check it out

Well I did it on +10 so

It works at least that far

[round pendant]

lmao

[mellow bridge]

i hate how so many mobs in eco-dome jump immediately on pull/jump all the time during the pull

it's so annoying

[warm plinth]

Yeah the phasing/warping shit is super annoying to be sure

[round pendant]

bruh

day 1 and no one is applying to my +4 key

[warm plinth]

Yeah I didn't start seeing many applicants til 6 or 7

People trying to skip ahead

[lusty grotto]

That is def super annoying

[mellow bridge]

i especially like those that jump immediately on pull

so i tag one of them with heroic throw

and the other one instantly jumps to my healer and slaps him because of some random hot still ticking

:D

[warm plinth]

~19k I believe is the number, but realistically it's whatever feels comfortable for you.

[scenic forge]

Okay just for my own peace of mind: I can't actually reflect the Loomithar frontals right

[jagged gust]

try it

[warm plinth]

[scenic forge]

I did on lfr

[warm plinth]

Let us know 😏

[scenic forge]

And I still got the debuff buuuuuut

That's why I came here to ask

[jagged gust]

not as far as im aware, but good on you for testing

[torn gulch]

tell me more about it
streets is the perfect example of IQ check

and boy a lot of peeps are failing it

still I think they cut too much of streets timer

[jagged gust]

Judging by last nights raid, a good 19/20 people won't read up on a fight before doing it

Week one not enough people have failed enough times to pass the check

[torn gulch]

I had a healer into a 9 streets earlier just went in with no knowledge at all

took ky instrument away

my*

died in mail room 3 times from avoidable stuff
and he was running around with the bomb on and forgot to throw it into the sorter

[lusty grotto]

im one of these

its not because i dont want to

its just reading up on 8 fucking new fights is overwhelming

so i generally just read the first 4 and then whatever summary there is for the rest

and just before you know it youre doing those last 4

[solid sun]

I took the ready check pull recap snapshots and pinned them in my discord

And offered no expectations of watching videos but let everyone know the recaps were available

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[solid sun]

Couldn’t even get them to read those

[lusty grotto]

to be honest they werent overly complex

soak this, hit that with beam, etc

pretty straightforward mechanics

[solid sun]

Not saying they were. Just felt like it was the easiest and fastest way I’ve ever given people to “prep” and still no dice

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[warm plinth]

Turbo Boost confirmed shortly after 11.2.5 pog

[jagged pier]

save the delve crest

for free 15 crests

[jagged gust]

Ive turned to negging my raiders

"Wow your opening was fantastic, if you actually knew how to do the mechanics I bet you'd be parsing incredibly well"

[fluid widget]

What’s the difference using it now vs later

[jagged pier]

goes to your cap now

no cap later

[fluid widget]

No cap is in months isn’t it?

[jagged pier]

right and u can farm crests now

[fluid widget]

Like at that point where there is no cap you can just spam farm

[jagged pier]

like i ahvent even tried and im already max crests

yer but needing to get like 400 crests vs 90

takes a lot longer

[frosty mango]

@potent anvil I think you dropped your ring

[potent anvil]

[granite pond]

So I don't mythic raid anymore, just do m+ - is the play to craft a shield with gilded/spark this week?

[lusty grotto]

yup

[granite pond]

alrighty then, ty

[sharp berry]

holy the set is kinda nuts

[stable elk]

so should i craft something this week?

[maiden grove]

You know, I am doing my best to follow the rotation from wowhead damage wise but these parses from the top 10 warrior tanks and their dps is crazy to me

Clearly I’m doing something wrong

[blazing ridge]

did they change something about Weakauras in Dungeons? I dont get any bars anymore..

[idle copper]

As in max out from m+ then run your selves yep?

[toxic pewter]

just ripped aggro off a dk doing 400k dps i did 2 mill dps LOL

[warm plinth]

Just don't turn in the cracked keystone quest is what he's saying

Because it does not bypass cap like a lot of quests do

[idle copper]

Ty

[toxic pewter]

JUST WIPED A RAID INTO A DISBAND CUZ A BDK COULDNT HOLD AGGRO LOL

plexus heroic

LOL

[rigid pilot]

When do you guys break tier? Swap 4p for 4p?

[prime sphinx]

is fractillus the worst boss ever made what the helli

almost fell asleep

[lusty grotto]

just had the worst dawnbreaker group ever

healer couldn't keep up on a 7

ranged baiting adds in africa

you know the usual +5 in s1

i guess

had my first leaver

rogue that was doing less than my alt DH

still cant find the vote to abandon shit

[tulip pumice]

I'm pretty sure i already know the answer but i should be saving my catalyst charges even if i can complete 4pc? hold until at least reset?

[lusty grotto]

i would blow it if it meant you can complete 4pc

[solid sun]

Agreed. 4pc is big

Will always get more charges later

[tulip pumice]

twist my arm

https://tenor.com/view/send-it-ben-edwards-taylor-kitsch-the-terminal-list-give-it-to-me-gif-26088211

[jagged pier]

hoarding valorstones

[elfin elk]

thoughts on sending two catalyst charges on champ track gear?

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

are you

completing 4pc?

[vivid orchid]

do you have 4pc rigth then and there?

[elfin elk]

yep

[lusty grotto]

if not the thoughts are no

[elfin elk]

no I would get four piece immediately

[lusty grotto]

yeah id say its a good use

if it results in 4pc

[elfin elk]

cheers ty

[timber nest]

at what point do we drop 4P S2?

is 2P2P better than 4PS2?

if i have 2P2P do i run MT?

[warm plinth]

We drop 4p for 4p

[heavy sparrow]

Ara kara routes this season looking different

[steady mason]

i leaped over the ledge to skip the pack before second boss and my group just hit w through them, then we finished the run @99%

[frank bobcat]

I blindly followed the new taktiks arakara pug friendly ™ guide and ended up summoning three extra giant beetle adds 😭 😭 😭

[sharp berry]

2.27b

[lusty grotto]

thats s1 dps

[jagged gust]

to be blunt, that looks like S1 damage

[jagged pier]

depends on ilvl

[lusty grotto]

but jakey is right, its hard to say relative to gear

[sharp berry]

691

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah its bad

[jagged pier]

are u pulling 1 mob at a time?

[sharp berry]

nope doing around 4-5 packs

using this three

[lusty grotto]

logs?

none of what youre gonna say will help us

logs will

[jagged gust]

got the right build, seems like your rotation might need addressing

[lusty grotto]

help us help you

[sharp berry]

👍 ill try and get it

[frosty mango]

1.39m at 691 even with no tier isnt pretty low

[sharp berry]

i have tier

[frosty mango]

New tier or old tier

[sharp berry]

new

[lusty grotto]

hoooly

then its

afk dps

[lusty grotto]

that aint it

[frosty mango]

Oh then yes something is very wrong in your rotation

[hardy snow]

damn, this raid is cool, dimensius pog fight

[lusty grotto]

why did you swap to 2pc

no s2 tier?

[sharp berry]

nope

[heavy sparrow]

I watched a friend's screen share do the skip after learning it from me in m0 last week. When he did it the adds came into the boss fight after teleporting the rest of the team. I'm thinking the hunter pet in their group doesn't get teleported

[lusty grotto]

ok thats fine then

[sharp berry]

first time playing tank

[frosty mango]

Like Nim said if you link a log we can probably help you make some big strides quickly

The only thing I can think of as thane with your dps that low is you’re just not pressing thunder blast

[sharp berry]

ill try and get it kinda newish to this

[vocal flame]

yeah!! next one will be the gilded one

[sharp berry]

i have the damage chart

idk if i can get a log that way

[heavy sparrow]

They helped me with 1 boss fight previously

[jagged gust]

look up your toon on WCL and see if anyone logged a run of yours

[heavy sparrow]

My shield up time needs some serious work just learning from their feedback

[sharp berry]

sadly no logs

[hardy snow]

[lusty grotto]

jawor can you give me some of that good vibe rng

[hardy snow]

i can share only after I get this on mythic along with shield from the moth

sadly no trinket from hunters on normal :v

[lusty grotto]

man @warm plinth

i still dont know how to initiate a vote leave

[steady mason]

the priest said he body pulled, but ill watch out for this!

[prisma dust]

yo do we value ilvl over s2 tier bonus?

starting to get more hero track items than tier pieces and im torn

[undone beacon]

No

Break s2 4pc for s3 4pc

[jagged gust]

Man the fractillus fight being so difficult to callout makes sense now that I found out the fight was changed from the PTR

[grizzled badge]

Swapped to prot warrior from guardian druid for this tier. Can't seem to wrap my head around which build to use.

Some I've asked said go tanky with MT (no execute) others say with execute. Any suggestions ? Got to 2.1k today with the tanky version but don't know if going dps mode is better.

[lusty grotto]

do you have s3 4pc?

[grizzled badge]

Only 2p atm.

[lusty grotto]

do you have s2 4pc?

[warm plinth]

Yeah I even checked to see if it was on right-click because that's what I thought it was and it's not

[restive oak]

i honestly prefer colossus , but i just love reduced shockwave

[grizzled badge]

Nope. Swapped with rat gear. So 590 now.

[restive oak]

and im waiting for heroic helm/shoulders to craft my 4 piece

690? or you really 590

[grizzled badge]

690 yeah 😅

[restive oak]

690 is pretty decent

[hearty cipher]

shield for first craft? I got my gilded crests 🤔

[restive oak]

probably?

[hearty cipher]

I take any power I can get, fresh character, I have no set bonus at all

👨‍🔧

[lusty grotto]

yes

[lusty grotto]

ok so you have 2 builds

in wowhead

pick according to what youre gonna do

youre obviously going MT, though its only better in ST with 2pc

slightly

[grizzled badge]

Alright thanks. Atm it gonna be 10-11 maybe a few 12s. Would you personally use the execute version or go more tanky. At this stage.

[lusty grotto]

Highly depends on the damage you're taking and your gear level

12s this week, while easy, you're still at a disadvantage due to gear

So take that into consideration

Easy as in comparatively with other seasons

[hearty cipher]

ask my last pug group that didn't even kick drones on big momma in a +8

[restive oak]

the 11 kinda hurt a lil at 689

[lusty grotto]

Trust I've seen some shit today

[hearty cipher]

I've been playing since 7am, its now 11pm

im done with pugs for this season

[lusty grotto]

But it's nothing out of the ordinary from a week 1

[hearty cipher]

streets seemed impossible to time for pugs

[lusty grotto]

You can tell who played it in SL and who didn't lol

[hearty cipher]

the timer still seems awfully tight with the amount of mechanics you need to play

and the stupid RP

[mighty valley]

yeah, general dungeon difficulty has gone down since then, AND people don't know it

i'm sure it'll catch nerfs

[restive oak]

i tried to pull trash into room before council boss, but they removed the pack that was in the lil corridor

whoops

[hearty cipher]

I'm curious to see how they balance that dungeon

I'm not pugging it anymore at least

after today haha

[mighty valley]

it's funny to imagine how it'd be if they hadn't already removed some trash abilities

[lusty grotto]

the one thing i dont understand is they got rid of the tank mech in HoA but...

streets didnt catch a single stray

or notable stray rather

[hearty cipher]

I think I died like 4 times? On that stupid instrument boss because DPS would blow all of their CDs asap

and not play the instrument

shield would just wipe group

[lusty grotto]

yup

sounds about right

[hearty cipher]

and that last boss, truly an intelligence test for even the most stupid people

[lusty grotto]

if i had to guess all they really have to do is increase the timer

[hearty cipher]

yeah the mechanics will probably solve itself in a week or two

but that timer seems impossible

[lusty grotto]

its a 5 boss dungeon

5 boss dungeons always have the same fucking issues

[warm plinth]

Yeah they need to move the timer back where it was because they reduced the number of trades but added mandatory trash there

[hearty cipher]

did they change something about the commander before last boss? I tried max range clicking the console with my premade group

but it seemed impossible to get

[lusty grotto]

i dont think it works

[hearty cipher]

we got it once

[lusty grotto]

i dont think the box shit works on the first mini boss either

[hearty cipher]

it does work but it's like pixel perfect

[warm plinth]

We had some people manage to go up but it's not consistent at all

[hearty cipher]

yeah

we tried with the new meld potions and that seemed to work decently well

I'd just drag it to the stairs, leap, use potion and click

[warm plinth]

I feel like they changed that guy though; were the bombs always covering the platform? I thought I remembered just standing there as tank before

But now I feel like I have nowhere to stand

[white umbra]

Are we going 2pc 2pc or waiting for a full s3 set. Not sure if I wanna catalyse yet

[warm plinth]

Full s3 set

[hearty cipher]

I got 0 right now, I'm slamming the charge asap once I get a hero item

[frosty mango]

were gaming boys lets go

25% block increase is nasty

[hearty cipher]

just crafted mine as well

char was level 1 a week ago, i played too much

[solid sun]

Verse eh

Do you still have a boat load of crit?

[frosty mango]

maybe, lol

is 23000 a boatload?

[jagged gust]

It's more than my... 7k

[weak tulip]

is it worth to craft the shield ?

[jagged gust]

yes

idk what happened but everything I rolled the past two weeks has been mastery/verse

damn ilvl upgrades

[wide charm]

What is your uptime for sitting over 80% as a tank in m+?
I kinda feel like Elemental Focusing Lens is worth it on the shield craft instead.
Not sure though

Feels like thread would be better in raid, idk

[jagged gust]

generally 80-95%

depending on key level

[wide charm]

Ya, I'd think somewhere in the 80s if I had to guess, I'm doing 10-11s atm

Lens is doing like ~1% of my dps

[jagged gust]

All embellishes are worth about the same, quite negligible

[frigid valley]

just did gambit where 3/5 didnt know what was going on.. that sure was stressful

[jagged gust]

oh my, you do not have even half the haste needed to be able to run ITF

34% shield block uptime

[sharp berry]

:/

yea gear is a bit iffy atm

[lusty grotto]

#1347646810457636974

next time btw

[sharp berry]

hoh sure 👍

[jagged gust]

At a glance, your CPM is low, lots of wasted rage and your ability priority usage is kinda whack

[real fossil]

tragic

[jagged gust]

revenge is equal to both SS and TB/TC combined

I don't know any easy guides for reference currently on APL, but generally SS > TB > TC > Revenge, and press all your CDs on CD. Work on the basics before getting into the nitty gritty

[lusty grotto]

ill take a look in a bit, gotta run keys

[sharp berry]

hoh sure thank you

[keen anvil]

So.. we breaking old 4pc for 2pc 2pc?

[sharp berry]

i did run a +7 with the pits yall gave me

i will post it on help later ones they are availaber

[jagged gust]

do it, it's not stopping you from doing any content otherwise

[lusty grotto]

no

4pc for 4pc

@pallid quiver summoning you

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spiritus-summon-vintage-fountain-pen-gif-22872604

except not a cat, im a mouse

[west turtle]

what stats are you going for crafted shield?

[lusty grotto]

haste crit

like always

[warm plinth]

crit/haste, just to be contrary to Nim

Totally 100% not the same thing /s

[lusty grotto]

[west turtle]

gotcha, ty

[warm plinth]

It makes sense but only if you don't think about it

[pearl halo]

Guys, is 2p 2p tier worth it or i keep 4p from the other season till 4p?

[lusty grotto]

4pc for 4pc

2pc not worth

[pearl halo]

Ty!

[warm plinth]

This calls for a new name!

[heavy sparrow]

Howdie

[west turtle]

what stats are we supposed to stack for thane? Haste > Crit > whatever?

[warm plinth]

Same as colossus

ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mast

[round pendant]

I love not getting a single drop

I love ending day 1 with the same ilvl as I started

[jagged gust]

Imagine not bribing your loot Council smh

[round pendant]

you guys have guilds?

[jagged gust]

I'm actually the loot Council, people need to start bribing me

[round pendant]

but yeah raid isn't really a week 1 activity for me

other than maybe some normal to hopefully get some tier at the very least

then I just farm m+ and do pug heroic for aotc once I get some decent gear

[toxic pewter]

got the wrong priory trinket of course never fails

[frank bobcat]

Randomly threw a hail mary app to a +11 floodgate late last night having only done a single +6 Streets this season, by some miracle they invited me and the run was very smooth until the big shocky goblin adds!

Not having spell block anymore is soooo brutal against those guys, ended up dying and losing the timer by 40 seconds!

My max is 3k but all these guys in the group were literally so insane, like 3800 each

[neon elk]

Best thing do to on those adds ( last 2 as thats only pull where u are forced to have 2) is mark one and pray they burst it .

Or skip it

[harsh musk]

So I managed to get maw of the void on an off spec roll

Is there any way to get the aoe loot effect without equipping it?

[lusty grotto]

unlikely

[warm plinth]

Sure, level up your cata engineering and use this bad boy

[austere marsh]

without s3 set and on low keys would you rather play thane or col?

[jagged gust]

Ive always preferred thane

play what you like

[spare pawn]

1 shield charge in whole dungeon?

[jagged gust]

sc doesnt log properly

only counts casts from range

[spare pawn]

k

[split jasper]

Hey, for raid and mm+, can i play new 2P and other 2part (season 2) ?

[warm plinth]

Not if you can help it. Keep old 4pc til you get new one

[wide charm]

For Streets, is there a way to skip the trash in the post room?

Someone in my last key made it sound like you don't have to pull it at all

[warm plinth]

I mean...theoretically, but it would be sketchy. In Shadowlands, there was more trash back to the left that was easy to leave

But that trash is gone now and only the closer stuff is there

[wide charm]

From my experience, only an 8 and a 10 in that key, the likelihood of no one pulling any of those 3 groups while delivering mail

is 0%

[warm plinth]

Yep, exactly

[wide charm]

but like, any route seems to always be like 3-8% over%

and the timer is disgusting

[warm plinth]

Eh? Something isn't right there. I can get to 101.11% without even selecting the entire plaza

[vocal flame]

I know its not for us but I love this trinket lol

[compact rune]

Can someone explain to me how or where execute fits into a mountain thane rotation when shield slam and or thunderclap are basically constantly available. Thanks

[jagged gust]

when they arent

[trim citrus]

Is haste>vers so much worse then haste>crit on prot warri? Personally i didnt play warrior tank in a long time....is haste vers better for beginners?

[fluid beacon]

can we not recraft weapons from the previous tier to the new 720 ilvl?

when I try it says im missing mats. i think its the augmentation matrix from last tier thats messing with it?

[tacit smelt]

Checking the wowhead article and i probably glossed over it but can i break my 4p for 2 p?

[haughty atlas]

You can, but you'll need to remove the augmentation matrix, I just did mine

[vocal flame]

4p for 4p but you can sim

[tidal scarab]

Man the player base is too dumb for m+ to be enjoyable anymore

[bleak breach]

did authority of the depths get nerfed?

[lusty grotto]

kind of

[warm plinth]

Nope

[lusty grotto]

stats just go brrr now

we're at that point in the expansion

[warm plinth]

Flat damage gets outscaled, it do be like that

[lusty grotto]

yup

[bleak breach]

thanks homies

[frosty mango]

What ilvl is this one?

Did bloodmallet ever update prot trinket sims?

[lusty grotto]

good question

seems updated

[solar forum]

Wait, do you need a new season 3 spark still?

[frosty mango]

chaotic nethergate coming in strong like ya boy predicted

[lusty grotto]

im using that on my dh

its pretty solid in aoe

[frosty mango]

I wonder if we can block/parry during the cursed stone channel

if we cant thats a hard no for me lol

[heavy sparrow]

No

[haughty atlas]

Yes

[narrow jay]

Oh so we should be using radiant power for all content now?

[lusty grotto]

not really

whatever sims best

[vocal flame]

684

its not on noms list as good but its all i got lol

anyone know why whenever i uplaod alog it never seprates the dungs just combines everything? i dont remember it doing that last season

ah ok nvm seems fine for m+

[lusty grotto]

depends on what addon youre using

sometimes the split is automatic

[narrow jay]

So my Sims say the weapon enchant that gives versatility is +35 (lol) better In single target than depths and + 40,000 better In 5 target AoE. So I should replace my authority of depths for oathsworns tenacity.

[lusty grotto]

sure

[north hawk]

is it worth going MT with 2 set or do i stay demolisher until 4 set?

[naive panther]

I have 1 hero tier 1 vet, and 2 champ pieces i could convert, should I do it or wait for heroic pieces?

[frosty mango]

That really depends on your avenue of getting heroic pieces and if you need that bonus now

[naive panther]

i mean 10s seam easy

as collossus

and jsut doing m+

[frosty mango]

If you can reliably farm 6+ keys then the better play is prob wait for your hero pieces to drop and catalyze those

[mighty valley]

All the power is in 4set tbh

but like

play what you wanna play

[north hawk]

ty

[agile elbow]

For the Spell Reflect WA is there a way to just set a default sound instead of needing to download the reflect audio that was listed on the WA?

[lusty grotto]

likely

[wide charm]

Sry, asked this in here earlier but got pulled away ---
For Streets, anyone have a good route? It seems like no matter what variation you do you end up 3-8% over.

[warm plinth]

This is what I've been doing

Obviously not doing 5 altogether, but couldn't be bothered to make separate pulls for each one lol

oh I forgot to click miniboss at the start

I'm dumb, sec

[hollow patio]

Do you know if they changed the miniboss? We tried to skip but it seems to get pulled more easily than what I have seen from PTR

The one to the last boss

[warm plinth]

fixed

Idk, it's not consistent at all anymore so I haven't been skipping it, as much as I'd like to

I watched a friend showing how to do it like an hour ago and he was standing there for a good 10 seconds with no issue, then it just aggroed him without him even so much as changing the direction he was looking

[hollow patio]

We still managed to skip sometimes but it was really inconsistent. Basically jump up, press w and spam console was working sometimes

[frosty mango]

Yes I can send a few screenshots when I get back home if you don’t figure it out by then

[hollow patio]

But slowly creeping forward until you reach the console never worked for us

[warm plinth]

Yeah I have yet to have the entire group succeed

[neon elk]

Do u play that last minibos where he is or u drag him somewhere ? I felt like it get crowded by mines quite fast

[warm plinth]

I just pull him and pray

Because idk what the fuck they did to him

[hardy python]

What do you guys think, mainly do +14s or higher

[mighty valley]

sac or follow sims tbh, you’re replacing all of this soonish

[hardy python]

kk

[narrow prawn]

what are yall crafting

[pallid dove]

Hey guys random q...i am starting to push 10s on my first time tanking properly for a season and wondering if i should spend my gilded crests on making shield max rank...or upgrading my 2set hero pieces. Maybe even mud trinket upgrade?

[mighty valley]

Shield I think

[warm plinth]

I would not upgrade anything with gilded unless it's myth track

[mighty valley]

well that's a crafted shield so it'd be a recraft

[warm plinth]

Oh, so it is

I would upgrade the shield then

[mighty valley]

not too big of a waste, recrafting costs aren't that bad

[pallid dove]

Thanks for your replies folks, i will get shield crafted up. GL with your pushes too

[wide charm]

You can pull the miniboss down just fine around the pats ya?

Cus that looks almost exactly like the route I was going to try next

Except I pulled one of the pats in that area instead of going up for the 3 pull

But I am wondering if it's just not needed

[warm plinth]

If I was gonna move it down then I'd probably clear the side of the plaza (like the guards coming down from its platform) because there's 2 patrols that come pretty close to center. It'd be easier to pull it e.g. gradually toward oasis area or something than try to do it in the middle of the plaza.

[wide charm]

Ah yes your second pic doesn't have the 3 pull or the pat

You keep the miniboss where he is??

Zo'far? I mean I've only done it once on a 10 but it seemed like there was no shot you'd have space

[warm plinth]

I've only done it twice and neither was high enough that we couldn't bullshit our way through leaving him there

My first run I hadn't even planned on killing him since we always skipped him in SL so we just kinda memed it

Second run was like a 4 or something so we just zerged it

[wide charm]

I tried skipping him but it seems either extremely touchy or we just were straight up doing it wrong

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's really touchy

[wide charm]

like one guy got it but pulled as he activated the console

soooo

[warm plinth]

Highest streets I've done was a 9 and honestly don't even remember how we managed to do it but it wasn't pretty

I didn't pull him off the platform though.

We didn't time the key though and he was a contributing factor

[rugged plinth]

prot swaps to 2p/2p asap right

[frosty mango]

You can pull trash into the menagerie boss in streets to help a lot

And you can pull trash into the first miniboss too

Also you can drag the trash on the password rp to keep going while you kill to save a lot of time

[fluid widget]

no 4p

[dark fog]

How are you supposed to play this spec without having your eyes glued to the hotbar to watch for procs?

[rugged plinth]

ty

[fluid widget]

WAs or a way to notify you of procs

you can make a keybind for Ignore pain that also casts shield slam as well (separate from shield slam)

[naive panther]

I may make my 4pc now, champion caps at 704, while heroic only 610?

[heavy sparrow]

anyone else's sims not working?

[lyric cedar]

is it worth conv champ for 4 p

[fluid widget]

for 4p id say so

[solid sun]

Hey @undone beacon now i can be big even after i stop being col

i just need something to disarm me 🤔

[undone beacon]

SIIIICK

[regal epoch]

what's the actual way to skip him? had half of us able to do it, half of us stuck down

but it was a 2 so we just yolo'd the console

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto

😄

all heroic

[undone beacon]

I got normal legs from raid tonight so I just need two hero pieces to drop in dungeons and bam

[mighty valley]

Nah, changes nothing

[lusty grotto]

[ebon scaffold]

HOW

[lofty glen]

Easy. Get 1 in vault. Get 1 in raid. 2000k rio or endboss hc + 1st cata = 4p

You only need luck for 1 shitty item in raid

[cursive needle]

Those of you running 10s this week, are you hanging out in D stance at all?

[hollow sphinx]

What you mean by cata

[lofty glen]

Catalyst

[neon elk]

Yea siting in d stance whole run, imho no point to take that much dmg for such small dps gain

[lusty grotto]

No reason to swap out of it, we only really battle stance'd in DF

And in this exp you only really do it for raid parsing if at all

The damage penalty from DF is gone

[sharp merlin]

10 priory, can it be done with Mud and around 685 gear?

And should I be taking the magic dmg talent?

[neon elk]

I suppose its doable if your healer is awake

[sharp merlin]

Hahaha fair enough

[midnight burrow]

when do we break 4p?

2p 2p?

[neon elk]

4p4p

[mint shadow]

Did dawn breaker orb always target tanks on mini and spider boss? I feel like I never had to do it before

[cursive needle]

Good to know, thanks!

[lofty glen]

i always swapp out of stance in raid cause my off tanks never can hold aggro agains me after tank swapp

[sick whale]

started this season

[rigid hull]

STREEts of wonder timer is waaaaaaay too tight?

i had a decent damaeg group

no deaths

on last boss we had 2 minutes

on a 7

[torpid dome]

not a bad first day of raiding last night

[lofty turret]

God even after the nerfs 4pc Thane fuckign decimating dmg in keys

[rough egret]

arent the delve portals in Taza supposed to be bountiful?

[bleak breach]

It’s not noticeable

Just play m+ push build and rotate your cds

Was chill when I did

[bleak breach]

Nice mate

[bleak breach]

Thane feels ridiculous atm.

[quiet pagoda]

Why catalyst this week, when there is a large chance you’ll find mythic pieces in your vault next week.
I’m not betting on it to be a weapon/shield or bis jewelry at least

[bleak breach]

Depends how quick you want your 4pc really

Ideally you probably hold 1 cat charge, but for people trying to prog fast the benefit of getting 4pc faster outweighs the chance of a decent week 2 vault which could be a flop anyway.

[lofty glen]

whish me luck for raid today. then i can mby habe 4p too

[trail forge]

10 Priory was free to survive at 687 without even really doing anything

[lofty glen]

you did any big pulls or just the same shit like last season?

[trail forge]

Just same pulls as last season

Went right instead of left and just invented those, but it was easy.
Bleed on first boss does way less.

[lofty turret]

gl, I got Legg warbound from LFR to complete the set, Thane feels insane

St and Aoe both crank like hogs its disgusting

[dusty wedge]

and what keys are people doing around 770ish ?

[lofty glen]

yes and the bleed doesnt do as much dmg as last season. and you dont have the dispellable dott anymore

[sharp merlin]

Sick

[lofty glen]

770? 😮

[sharp merlin]

Also, keep going left?

[dusty wedge]

670*

[sharp merlin]

the Vods I've seen people go right, it looks super scuffed

[lofty glen]

6-8? idk

[lofty turret]

I just ran right, its great if people that the know the new* combo on boss requires kicking both now instead of 1

[lofty glen]

i have a single person that is kicking boss and all others kick the mini. pretty easy that way

[lofty turret]

the tank busting combo going left absolutely cracks tanks, going right requires a little more foot work, and kicking 2 targets, i think itll be just fine when ppl adjust to it, and i dont have to sweat bullets hoping heals can keep up

[lofty turret]

thats the play! I just wish my spell reflect had a macro to disable everyones kicks for Fireballs 😄

when its targeting me

[lofty glen]

that would be so fucking awesome XD