protection

[lusty grotto]

fuck rep

[warm plinth]

I've never really worried about valorstones much and I have a suspicion that it's because of all the visions I do

[lusty grotto]

yeah im capping with visions

then i gotta do the other characters

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm gonna miss not being able to just yeet some to alts

[lusty grotto]

fucking valorstones man

nobody likes em

absolutely nobody

[round pendant]

I do

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Yo why did they give me 2 void storage tabs in my bank

They're completely empty

[lusty grotto]

cause they merged void storage and the bank

[round pendant]

I love how this server just doesn't let us use emotes

[lusty grotto]

on tuesday

[round pendant]

hold on while I scroll through the list and try to see if there's a kappa emote

[warm plinth]

Yeah I read about that, but I guess I figured it would be like if you needed the tab it would give it to you

Not if it has absolutely nothing in it haha

[solid sun]

I’ve never used void storage

I never shall

[warm plinth]

😏 is my go-to for kappa in this server

[solid sun]

I shan’t ever

[warm plinth]

I never used it either; if you didn't mog early on, it was pointless

(imo)

[solid sun]

Lot of pointless stuff being called out today

[warm plinth]

Like my life

boom gottem

[solid sun]

Void storage, valorstones, Kira

Boom owned

[lusty grotto]

i used the void storage

[round pendant]

AI overview so useful

[lusty grotto]

but not using it is part of why they merged it

[warm plinth]

Store those non-soulbound soulbound items

[lusty grotto]

it was there and not being used so

[warm plinth]

It does suck that some folks lost items though

with it autoconsuming stuff like old keys and such

[lusty grotto]

i lost a bit

i cant remember what though, specifically

[round pendant]

yeah void storage is useless

[lusty grotto]

but i can tell cause there's empty slots

[warm plinth]

Oh that reminds me, I was finally able to get rid of the titan memory card that I got stuck with after my belt upgrade bugged

When the patch hit I was able to destroy it

But funny enough; I still have access to the "vendor" to buy a new one

[lusty grotto]

i have unobtainables

[warm plinth]

Dayum

[lusty grotto]

my ranged weapons 🙁

where are they

oh nvm they are here

[warm plinth]

I have like 1800 arrows on one of my OG account's hunters

Not from void storage though; just been that long since I played the toon

[lusty grotto]

lol

[frigid valley]

think i have brimstones and totems still on some char

[lusty grotto]

anything ATT says is removed from the game, i save

usually

[warm plinth]

Massive 0.5 damage per second

[lusty grotto]

sometimes i just nuke it

[frigid valley]

just like balance druids atm

[warm plinth]

Most boring spec in the game AND no damage? smh

[pallid quiver]

For the record, I don't even remember collapsing star at all 🙂

[warm plinth]

Think the soak deal on Priory 2nd boss

Same concept

[toxic pewter]

found a bug lol. you can mount while phase diving if you have a bounty on your head

[warm plinth]

Hax

[pallid quiver]

we can't even sacrifice the mage because if he dies, my boots get shittier

damn, hard mode taz sucks

[warm plinth]

I'll probably try m0 first week but not gonna put a lot of pressure on doing it deathless

You get gilded crests and hero track gear too so 🤷

won't be a total waste of time, even if you can potentially get it faster doing keys

[pallid quiver]

If I don't get deathless week 1, I'm starting a crusade to rebuild this tainted world

[warm plinth]

Gonna see a whisper from Luerce again every Tuesday morning about the wild ass pug he had that week in the megadungeon

Dawn of the Infinite flashbacks

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, I don't think I'll see as many pugs like that.

Or it'll be more

it definitely won't be the same amount

Less because less people will be willing to just try it with pugs because of the deathless making the environment inherrently more toxic, more because it has more reward so people are going to try it

[solid sun]

Just gonna give an earnest attempt at deathless and if we fail keep it moving

It isn’t a big deal

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, moving to the house of the guy who died so we can baseball bat him

The internet demands blood

Also, due to a special feat he picked up on character creation, my friend who plays a mage has all blame for any deaths anywhere redirected to him

[solid sun]

I was just so shocked by wow twitter

[lunar flare]

Great portal placement Brann THANK U

[warm plinth]

Honestly may be the worst thing Blizzard has done in terms of the social environment of the game

[solid sun]

Nah that’s such a cooked take

If people suck that’s on them

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-patrickstewart-gif-20425643

[warm plinth]

It's not about that

It's about the fact that any random person can come in, die on purpose, and ruin it for an entire group of people

It's the easiest grief on the planet

[solid sun]

Yeah so fuck that guy

[warm plinth]

And how could you even prove they did it on purpose?

[jagged gust]

I miss games that had kill/loot on sight lists

[pallid quiver]

I think design wise, it's weird to not have it work raid style, where you can die an infinite number of times as long as you get the run down

[jagged gust]

KLoS was a good system

[warm plinth]

I mean sure, but I'm sure that doesn't help the 4 people who now can't even give it a real shot that week

[solid sun]

It isn’t fuck blizzard

[pallid quiver]

Like you could have a terminal at the start that puts you into deathless mode, and you get booted if anyone dies

[lusty grotto]

deathless runs you say?

[pallid quiver]

and you just don't get loot until you clear the dungo

[solid sun]

Yeah so blizzard can just make an adjustment where you have to start the deathless run instead of just having it turned on automatically

That’s an easy fix. Doesn’t mean the whole idea is shit

[warm plinth]

So the griefer waits til it's turned on

Then dies on purpose

How is that different

[solid sun]

So fuck that guy

[lusty grotto]

just make it personal

[warm plinth]

Yes, fuck that guy

[solid sun]

Again. That isn’t on blizzard

[lusty grotto]

if you die, you dont get shit

[warm plinth]

But Blizzard's system MAKES THAT POSSIBLE

[lunar flare]

They've designed a system where you get one chance a week, and a random player can intentionally die to remove the buff from everyone else. How is that not on Blizzard

[solid sun]

If the point is a group wide deathless run then making it personal defeats the purpose

[warm plinth]

They've done it in the past where you can just try again but you have to start over

[lusty grotto]

then remove the weekly lockout

[warm plinth]

There's no reason they should've changed it

[pallid quiver]

You're specifically denying and refusing to look at other ways of going about solving the issue

[warm plinth]

Fuck the myth track piece. It's not worth adding the potential grief method

[solid sun]

So make friends

[lunar flare]

All they have to do is make it group deathless, but allow players to attempt it as many times as they want. Then the griefer has no power

[solid sun]

Like this isn’t hard

[lusty grotto]

yeah im totally gonna pass on that

[warm plinth]

Bro what

Come on

[lusty grotto]

Dawn wasnt worth it on s3

[warm plinth]

Don't be so naive

[jagged gust]

Deathless is gonna have a 1 in 50 success chance, it's a moot argument when even coordinated groups are going to be failing it

[lusty grotto]

this aint gonna be worth it next week

[pallid quiver]

You know what else isn't hard? Just slightly adjusting the system so it's not even a fucking problem

Just don't fall into the vat of boiling acid at your workplace, bro, you don't need guard rails

Like it isn't hard

Don't stand near the edge

[lunar flare]

Have u tried just not being poor too

[lusty grotto]

honestly though i dont see what the fuzz is about, again this was in place for DF S3 and basically nobody gave a shit about it

but if its made more approachable, maybe people will

[pallid quiver]

I don't particularly care, since it'll get invalidated over time anyway,

I just don't get why they designed it this way

[lusty grotto]

lockouts are the problem

[pallid quiver]

It's just awkwardly punishing and different of a system from everything else because ????

[lusty grotto]

such a dogshit system, loot lockouts are fine

but dungeon / run / myth raid lockouts are antiquated garbage

[spice anchor]

Is the embellishment in faq still correct looks like it was posted a year ago

[lusty grotto]

yes

[pallid quiver]

Should still be

[lusty grotto]

embelishments havent changed, and they arent that impactful anyway

[pallid quiver]

You'd just, optimally, sim to see where/which specifically would be best

[solid sun]

I don’t really care if they make it multiple tries in a week or not

But it isn’t going to stop the bitching and both of your comparisons suck

Dying at work and not getting a myth track piece of gear in world of Warcraft are not comparable and being poor is usually a byproduct of an economical system being rigged against you. This isn’t that

[pallid quiver]

Fuck off with that one;

they're both implementations of guard rails

You design systems with guard rails

The end result isn't the focus of the argument

It's the guard rails

They didn't provide guard rails for that avenue of toxicity, like there is in other content

It's weird

[solid sun]

Where is the toxicity removed/protected against in wow

You can get fucked all the time in m+ by toxicity

[warm plinth]

In fact, the lack of guard rail makes it more enticing in this scenario. It'd be like leaving your car door unlocked. Sure, people can still break into your car if you lock it, but leaving it unlocked opens it up to people who wouldn't go that far.

Sure, you can get fucked by toxicity at any moment. But Blizzard is literally creating a way for people to be toxic with this method.

Old hard mode? Someone trolls, oh well, make a new group, try again

New hard mode? Someone trolls and you're just fucked that week

[round pendant]

I mean

even if you exclude bad actors

it's still incredibly toxic

one of your friend fucks up and he's ruined all 4 of his friends' chances for the week

halving their myth loot for the week

feels so good!

[jagged gust]

You and your 4 friends will fail regardless

[frosty mango]

Like any bad behavior there is toxicity is wow because there are no consequences for being toxic

[steady edge]

can we train with normal keys before attempting hard mode deathless?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[cerulean tusk]

It wont translate

[warm plinth]

Only deaths in M0 count

But you can't do the hard mode mechanics

[frosty mango]

Whether those are community imposed or blizzard controlled, there’s nothing stopping anyone from being toxic so people will be toxic wherever they can

[warm plinth]

You cna only practice the non-hard mode stuff

[steady edge]

oh I see

[round pendant]

Because people never die in content they've passed 100 times before

mistakes don't happen

[frosty mango]

If you can count on anything ever it’s that anonymity brings out the worst in people

[round pendant]

eh toxicity isn't as bad in wow as people make it out to be anyway

[cerulean tusk]

Dont worry, ya might fail week 1 and maybe week 2, after that is it on autopilot. Soon enough you wont do it anymore, cause there is no more loot for you to get from there

[round pendant]

I think the concept itself is just inherently toxic to peoples mental

[frosty mango]

You’re normalizing the level of toxicity

[cerulean tusk]

I believe it is healthy to give ppl a real challenge with consequence, that pushes you towards actually teaming up.

[frosty mango]

You can’t go a week in wow without meeting some super toxic person

[warm plinth]

No one is against the challenge

[round pendant]

I guess my experience isn't valid then?

[warm plinth]

Challenges are good

[steady mason]

are people defending the deathless run for mythic gear? seems pretty obvious it shouldnt exist or you should be able to run it back with another group... it was the same shit with the turbo boost m+ trinkets

[warm plinth]

That's just as anecdotal as yam's experience. I regularly go weeks at a time without experiencing any toxicity at all, much less a super toxic person.

[frosty mango]

Your experience is plenty valid, I’m just shocked you don’t come across toxic people frequently

[warm plinth]

I've experienced like one super toxic person in the last 2 expansions lol

[jagged gust]

The content is hard enough that one singular mistake will more than likely kill you, and long enough for those chances at mistakes to raise the likelihood of it happening to an eventuality, not a possibility. You don't do hard mode with the intention of completing it every time, you do it for the fun of it.

[frosty mango]

I run a lot of low ish carry keys and I feel like the incidence of toxicity there is very high

[cerulean tusk]

Week 1, perhaps, week 2? Maaaybe. Week 3? Nah, you overgearing it and by a mile.

[warm plinth]

That's an unfortunate experience to have, but it's not everyone's experience

[frosty mango]

I rarely find toxic people at high end content and and I rarely find toxic people in super low end casual content, it’s always the middle

[steady mason]

its the people who are skilled in the 50% percentile but think theyre in 90% that are always the toxic ones

[warm plinth]

I do agree that no level of toxicity should be normalized though.

[round pendant]

Yeah since DF s1 I've prob had a handful of toxic encounters

[warm plinth]

And Blizzard is absolutely responsible for mitigating it whenever possible.

[solid sun]

You must have trade chat disabled

I see toxic people every day

[timid coral]

so is MT or Col gona be better for M+

[warm plinth]

MT

[frosty mango]

I average like one block a week because I just cant with people

[cerulean tusk]

Smart, my rate is about the same

[lusty grotto]

MT but only with s3 4pc

[round pendant]

interesting

[warm plinth]

Yes, that

[frosty mango]

Maybe my bar for what I deem toxic is low though comparatively - who knows

[warm plinth]

sorry, should've mentioned tier

[round pendant]

saying that

pug raids are incredibly toxic

I think I just write them off tho

[timid coral]

okay thx...and with out S3 Tier will be Col then or just go MT still

[lusty grotto]

no, youre 100% correct

[lusty grotto]

Col

[round pendant]

since me and my friend raid league the pug AOTC runs we do, we just kick anyone who's toxic instantly

but there's a lot of people on our ignore list from that

[frosty mango]

Yeah I’d agree - especially the “low dps = kick” and then I join and I’m third on the meter as the tank and I wonder if the rl (who is always dead last) is gonna kick themselves

I just wanna jam idk what your dps is

As long as the boss is dying

[round pendant]

but in m+ I've encountered fuck all toxicity

but I also don't invite rogues or DHs

[cerulean tusk]

I encountered a lot of it

[jagged gust]

I've had one toxic person in S2 of DF, and one toxic person in S2 of TWW

[waxen frigate]

Just like the keyholder in pugs

[frosty mango]

It’s always hunters and arcane mages in m+ for me

[waxen frigate]

They’re always the dead weight

[jagged gust]

In Nelths Lair and Motherlode respectively

[frosty mango]

Pinging shit

[cerulean tusk]

If you are in the 'wall' zone, there are so many ppl who are unhinged and super stressed out

[frosty mango]

Like it’s a 12 bro and the healer is 650. Chill dogg

[round pendant]

rogues for me have been assholes more often than not

[cerulean tusk]

Any misstake is taken as a personal attack, and they hammered eachother with em for so long, that they are all on edge to attack to defend themselves

[waxen frigate]

Nelths Lair pre-nerf

[frosty mango]

Just press yer buttons we’re good

[warm plinth]

It's funny; you see this kind of uh...what would you even call it

stereotyping

in every game

[round pendant]

it's true though

[waxen frigate]

It’s human nature, quite literally

[cerulean tusk]

Server A got a higher % of shit players, fight me

[jagged gust]

Actually in DF it was a rogue, and TWW it was an arcane mage

[lusty grotto]

its always shamans for me

or bears

[frosty mango]

I’m convinced all arcane mages are fiending degens who judge me if I don’t pull trash into the boss for them

[waxen frigate]

I haven’t invited a boomie to a key since shadowlands

[steady edge]

people tend to be toxic when you play badly or make mistakes, when I started tanking years ago I got a lot of shit because I wasn't very good while I was learning

[round pendant]

I am very biased tho, I've prob played with a bunch of rogues who were fine and I just remember like 4 separate occasions of one being an asshole

[waxen frigate]

Fuck em all

[cerulean tusk]

Rogues and DHs, are usually the most memorable ones. Mainly cause of how they fuck up allows you to remember it better.

[round pendant]

but I wouldn't say wow in general is very toxic, at least in the way I play it

no more than any other game

[pallid quiver]

The more notable thing is the community around given specs, especially with spec hopping being as common as it is now. So a lot of stereotypes are less related to the spec, more to people who hold mentalities that are likely to make them toxic

[frosty mango]

FFXIV used to drop the banhammer hard on toxicity and as a result there were like zero toxic people

[lusty grotto]

this is kinda true

[agile elbow]

now they are bleeding subs left and right sadge

[frosty mango]

But as soon as they loosened the reigns it came flooding in

[pallid quiver]

FF14 has its own variant of toxicity that takes a different flavor

[waxen frigate]

FFXIV is all fake nice

[frosty mango]

Ff prob more toxic than wow now lol

[agile elbow]

for sure

[waxen frigate]

Like you force a smile and if you don’t they fucking swarm you like wolves

[agile elbow]

for different reasons

lol

[round pendant]

It's strange cause I always felt it was more toxic

[lusty grotto]

ffxiv still bans toxicity

[round pendant]

just in a different way

[frosty mango]

Oh now it’s outwardly toxic now lol

[agile elbow]

WoW is basically omg ur bad at the game get good shitter

[blazing shuttle]

Always was

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, I prefer WoW's because I can just get to the block/ignore part faster

[lusty grotto]

but they just apply some non-direct confrontational methods

[blazing shuttle]

FF is toxic af

[agile elbow]

ffxiv is "who are you? ur not in the right social circles? get out of here idiot."

[pallid quiver]

Someone drops a racial slur and I get to be done with that in like 5 seconds

[lusty grotto]

i havent had this happen

[jagged gust]

I missed % in... w/e dungeon had throngus in it, got that bug with the dragonflying and just didn't notice it, we ran back to kill a pack after the final boss with like 30 seconds left and the rogue opens up with shadowstep onto the lieutenant mob before I can even engage

[frosty mango]

It’s wild to me that this isn’t like auto permaban

[jagged gust]

GUESS WHO GOT BLAMED

[pallid quiver]

FF14 there's the awkward gatekeeping phase and people having weird ass mentals about things, like improving at the game

[cerulean tusk]

I guess teh rogue blamed Luerce

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

[waxen frigate]

Yeah FF is toxic in a gaslighting way

WoW is just bluntly toxic

[lusty grotto]

^

[pallid quiver]

Can't permaban if it's just society smh

[lusty grotto]

THIS

[waxen frigate]

And I prefer that

[round pendant]

toxic positivity is ff14

[mighty valley]

i just... don't pug. solves everything

[lusty grotto]

both are toxic, in different ways

[frosty mango]

I got banned for RMT I didn’t even do in wow and took me a week to get it overturned (70 ai responses later) but someone can say the most heinous shit and never get banned

[waxen frigate]

Call me a slur so I can just ignore you and move on with my day don’t try to be fucking weird about it

[cerulean tusk]

That edit

[lusty grotto]

both games still good though 🙂

[warm plinth]

The fact they're responding to tickets with AI is actually fucking infuriating

[steady edge]

the wow pvp community is insanely toxic though, at least it was when I still did pvp

[round pendant]

I actually haven't seen anyone say a slur in wow

ever

[frosty mango]

lol well I assumed being overturned implied but you know how people skim

[waxen frigate]

PvP is another beast entirely

[agile elbow]

one of the biggest issues wih xiv is that it never changes the formula ever

[cerulean tusk]

Yam, you are a midget bunny rat hat. You are welcome.

[pallid quiver]

For the record, the most recent thing I've been blamed for in a not-nice way in a video game was in W40K Darktide, where an ogryn player accused me of overpushing while there was a wave behind, so I got him killed

he ended the game at 5 kills

the next lowest was like 800, for people who don't know what kind of game darktide is

[lusty grotto]

thats always been the case, pvp players have always been toxic, but the most unhinged ones are RBG players

[agile elbow]

i'm not saying that it needs to, but it just doesn't

[mighty valley]

microsoft gotta justify that investment somehow

[agile elbow]

and that bores people after like 11 years lol

[round pendant]

ffs

[waxen frigate]

It’s more prevalent in classic

[solid sun]

I am a huge W route enjoyer and as I enter 13s and 14s I am constantly getting shit from any pugs at all for it. I’ve blocked so many people

[round pendant]

I hate auto bots

[waxen frigate]

As you’d kinda expect

Oh god that reminds me of one of the funniest classic clips I’ve ever seen

[steady edge]

I have been called the n-word on a discord because I have an accent lol (pvp tho, rbg)

[mighty valley]

alright megatron

[lusty grotto]

yeah i think it leads to taking breaks which is fine to me

[warm plinth]

And there's zero review on it either. My friend was trying to fix a craft mistake (which they don't do anyway but he figured it couldn't hurt) and the AI told him to do Dreamsurges for gear in Season 2 of The War Within

[frosty mango]

It was the most infuriating process. I got basically the same response over and over and over and eventually I was able to get an real actual person on Reddit

[jagged gust]

well yeah, pvp

[pallid quiver]

harrow, this is peak

[round pendant]

[warm plinth]

Can you not say fuck in here anymore

hm

that's not it

I have no idea what I said that it blocked lol

[agile elbow]

🤖

[lusty grotto]

why you fucking around ghash

[warm plinth]

maybe specifically with mother in front of it

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah

thats a nono

thats why i say MFer

[round pendant]

I got blocked for saying people have told me to keep myself safe

[warm plinth]

Interesting

[waxen frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc4KFLgggZE least racist classic andy

[round pendant]

a few times

[cerulean tusk]

Why would that be worse?

[steady edge]

yeah I actually enjoy RBGs but I stopped doing them altogether because I can't handle how people behave

[cerulean tusk]

Gotta be an american thing

[round pendant]

god that intro is hilarious

[waxen frigate]

and this poor fucking raid leader man

[round pendant]

the chat

"bruh"

[lusty grotto]

yeah the RBG community is the most asinine racist pieces of shit human beings that ever exist, there's nothing anywhere near close to them, so i dont blame you

[waxen frigate]

hes just trying to find an hpal

[cerulean tusk]

I love the fact that he goes in for round 2

[waxen frigate]

RIGHT?

[cerulean tusk]

10/10

[round pendant]

WHY IS HE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS

[warm plinth]

I made it 11 seconds in and knew everything I needed to know about that guy

[waxen frigate]

this raid lead like "holy fuck let me get an hpala so i can get the fuck out of this group"

[lusty grotto]

we americans go on weird tangents like that

[waxen frigate]

"how bout... we just skip past the whole race conversation... in general"

you can just feel his patience being gone

[pallid quiver]

"I would just stay muted then"

there's another minute in that video

[waxen frigate]

xdd

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest

that 2nd comment on the video

got a chuckle out of me

the "even the bad ones" ROFL

[warm plinth]

That video is the worst man

Like just out of nowhere

[waxen frigate]

i love that video so much man

it's just the epitome of classic wow

[lusty grotto]

that not only happens in classic man

ive had similar things in retail

[waxen frigate]

yeah but it's like

way more prevalent there

[lusty grotto]

oh no doubt

[warm plinth]

The absolute definition of

No one:
LITERALLY NO ONE:
Racist: so actually

[lunar flare]

"Racism and how its perceived" ruh roh

[waxen frigate]

trust me bro elusive tried to recruit me like 3 times

[lusty grotto]

LMAO

[waxen frigate]

and im like no bro you can literally see people with the n word in their details name on your streams

[cerulean tusk]

I ain't no racist. ... but... Rats in hats kinda smell.

[lusty grotto]

alright

this has gone far enough

[lunar flare]

How can I be racist? I have a [ETHNIC_MINORITY] friend

[warm plinth]

What should I get for food

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-rat-i-will-get-you-gif-10356913449515500442

[pallid quiver]

no, no, i think he's got a point smh

[waxen frigate]

options?

[cerulean tusk]

Tacos or, blended chicken.

[lunar flare]

Cheetos, eat them just before u go to bed

[warm plinth]

Think like...the most uncultured swine you can imagine

That's me

[pallid quiver]

put me in the oven and make a roast out of me

[waxen frigate]

stick some rosemary in his ass and call him dinner

[warm plinth]

I had pizza rolls yesterday

BUT

BUT

[cerulean tusk]

Aight. This is turning into PvP

MODS

[warm plinth]

I did air fry them, because I'm a true gourmet

[cerulean tusk]

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS!

[round pendant]

The kinda guy to argue extremely racist talking points under the guise of nuance

debating debby

[warm plinth]

Is that actually like a full classic action bar setup though

[round pendant]

nvm I don't think I can say what I was gonna say

[waxen frigate]

thats just his weakauras

he has action bars hidden it looks like

[warm plinth]

wait this isn't classic classic is it?

[waxen frigate]

i think its wotlk

[warm plinth]

That's gotta be too many spells for vanilla

[waxen frigate]

since they talk about pyrite

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

[round pendant]

also saying "disclaimer" is hilarious

[cerulean tusk]

Disclaimer: I do M+ and am terminally online.

[mighty valley]

two paladin tanks was my first clue it wasn't vanilla

[warm plinth]

Fair point lol

I hadn't even looked at the group yet

First thing I noticed was actually how gigantic his micro bar is

[cerulean tusk]

Man, now I want to join a guild just to start the introduction with "Hi I am Funky. Disclaimer..."

[warm plinth]

And that's coming from me, a person with ginormous everything in my UI

[waxen frigate]

DISCLAIMER

[round pendant]

the DKs aren't a clue?

[waxen frigate]

got him there

[warm plinth]

DKs?

How the heck would I know there's DKs

[waxen frigate]

another small clue

[round pendant]

lmao

[warm plinth]

You guys pay a lot more attention to detail than I do lol

[blazing shuttle]

Look at the UI and the spells.

Explosive shot.

A.K.A. Woltk.

Also, you can see he targets someone to whisper - level 80.

[round pendant]

It's a blessing and a curse

[mighty valley]

buncha fuckin sherlocks in here

[blazing shuttle]

And look at the head. It's T8 Hunt.

[warm plinth]

I've played WoW for like 19 years man, I can't be expected to remember when each individual ability came out

[cerulean tusk]

Did you really play WoW then?

[warm plinth]

I did, yes

[round pendant]

yeah I think "there's DKs" is a more reasonable thing to notice compared to those things

[cerulean tusk]

[lusty grotto]

so did i

silly cat

[round pendant]

I played wotlk for a month and cata for a month

then nothing til legion

oh I played the tail end of wod too

[warm plinth]

I already remember more than I should

I could have so much more important shit in my brain

But instead I have 19 years of WoW

[round pendant]

yeah my brain doesn't work

[lusty grotto]

ok what can i do for 48 garbagestones

[round pendant]

I remember basically everything I don't want to and nothing that I do want to

[cerulean tusk]

Hey, it could be worse lados. Your brain could be filled with years of Skyhold conversations.

[lusty grotto]

dat me

dont be me

[warm plinth]

I have been here a long time too

[lusty grotto]

i still remember avocado

[mighty valley]

still thinking about yogi's shadowlands era clown honk videos

[warm plinth]

Fuckin avocado

[lusty grotto]

alavisto

🙂

russia's finest

[warm plinth]

yepppp I was subjected to him a few times even after he got yeeted from here

[lusty grotto]

alavisto is the reason i detect the type pretty accurately when they come around

[warm plinth]

Back in the days of Thyme

[round pendant]

I missed the peak of this discord it seems

since I only played legion and I was mainly paladin at the time

and then I didn't play til df

[cerulean tusk]

Just be glad you skipped out on the #pvp being political era

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[mighty valley]

namesearching this dude tells the story

[warm plinth]

Oh god, you know shit was getting real when Macro got involved

That guy suffered zero fools

[round pendant]

I love political chats

I get so locked in and hyperfixate on them because I hate everyone involved

and then I lose 6 hours of my life

and afterwards I'm like "well that was fucking pointless"

[lusty grotto]

why you not posting mine

[cerulean tusk]

Wow, it isnt all about you

rat

[lusty grotto]

but but

im a cute mouse

[mighty valley]

you must be on page 2 lmao

[round pendant]

jesus

2016

I was right then and I'm right now

[warm plinth]

And on the other side of Alavisto

You had catfriend and Tofu

[lusty grotto]

catfriend still pops by

tofu i think was locked to the ui channel

[round pendant]

None of you will remember me

[lusty grotto]

rip ikari and bullfango though

[round pendant]

but I'll remember you guys

[warm plinth]

Damn I haven't heard ikari in forever

[frosty mango]

Do you still have the same phone tho

[lusty grotto]

both left disc

[warm plinth]

No one will remember me either because my name has been like 17 different things

[lusty grotto]

i member ghash

and yam

[solid sun]

Cat loves me

[warm plinth]

IT BURNS

[frosty mango]

I just know you are colorblind guy

[solid sun]

Gonna save this and pin it in my discord

[round pendant]

huh

no

[frosty mango]

What is this light mode

Abomination

[warm plinth]

Rhino flashbanging the chat

[solid sun]

It just doesn’t bother me idk

I do light mode for almost everything

[round pendant]

light mode is better for my boomer eyes ngl

but I don't use it on discord cause the dark mode is light enough

but I cannot stand white text on a DARK background because muh astigmatism

[warm plinth]

Back in the day, we couldn't change our nickname in here

So I was Worldcrusher, because that was my monk's name (my main) at the time

[round pendant]

I remember our arguments

[warm plinth]

God damn, Sense out of the woodwork to cringe at me

[round pendant]

Worldcrusher

[warm plinth]

He was a gnome; it was ironic

[lusty grotto]

[round pendant]

think I've been butterchiken the entire time I've been here

it's a good name

idk what my discord name was back then tho

[lusty grotto]

good food too

[round pendant]

you should be called Correct Opinion Haver

[earnest cove]

Did they change how the cooldown on healing potion works in 11.2?

[warm plinth]

In what way

[lusty grotto]

ghash always ghash just like yogi always yogi

[earnest cove]

Cooldown would start after combat, didnt it?

[frigid valley]

ey how do i get weathered on a non fresh alt?

[earnest cove]

Now its rolling after use

[lusty grotto]

no?

[warm plinth]

You're thinking of healthstones

[earnest cove]

huh... never noticed that one then lol

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[solid sun]

Idk how to ask this without coming across as mean

But what happens when yall go outside during the daytime

[cerulean tusk]

I squint my eyes for a few sec as they adjust

[frigid valley]

wife pulls the rope and drags me down the basement again

[lusty grotto]

i just replenish my energies

[solid sun]

I don’t think I’m a mutant

But maybe I am

[lusty grotto]

i cant fucking stay sitting for a couple of hours

i hate it

[solid sun]

It doesn’t seem that bright to me

[lusty grotto]

i have to take at least a 5 min walk outside every hour

[warm plinth]

Before Shadowlands, health potions were only usable once per encounter; that's probably what you're thinking of. In SL they changed them to 5 min CD, but allowed the CD to roll in combat.

[solid sun]

I have the harness and leash by my pc

Everytime it’s leg stretch time I grab em and the doggie gets excited

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-woah-wait-what-shocked-what-did-you-say-gif-16673454

[solid sun]

;)

[lusty grotto]

oh thank god you said doggie

[solid sun]

Lmfao

[warm plinth]

You were getting Nim all hot and bothered over here

[lusty grotto]

sorry not trying to kink shame

[solid sun]

Also I don’t mean to make anyone mad with my takes

Just think some of the wow community is too mad all the time about stuff that isn’t worth it

[lusty grotto]

oh

youre 100% right

[warm plinth]

welp, I was gonna post a hulk gif but holy shit they're all inappropriate

[solid sun]

Like green hulk or hogan

[warm plinth]

Green hulk

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/incredible-hulk-hulk-smash-rage-angry-gif-7677033171700364268

Here you go, no idea why you wanted it

[lusty grotto]

lou ferrigno

the og hulk

[warm plinth]

I was gonna post one of him saying the "that's my secret" thing

Even almost clicked one, then realized it did NOT say angry

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-my-secret-im-always-hard-im-always-hard-thats-my-secret-that's-my-secret-i'm-always-hard-i'm-always-hard-gif-13949726044878110332

[warm plinth]

see

[lusty grotto]

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[solid sun]

lol

[lusty grotto]

im leaving that up

its so fucking good

[solid sun]

Did you not realize it said hard

[jagged gust]

he wanted you to know

[lusty grotto]

no i was like "wait, it cant be that bad can it?" and then i waited after i posted

[warm plinth]

There's another one that also does not say angry

[lusty grotto]

ok ok hold on lol

ok i see it LOL

theres a few, but they aren't lewd

just two of them

dobby is free

and now to dobby 2

[fair beacon]

Heyo, got a question: the untiframes is kinda boring in wow so imam get me an addon, was wondering between "Shadowed Unit Frames" and "Z-perl", any suggestions? 🙂

[frosty mango]

Shadowed is highly functional

But unless you want party and raid frames you can also use weakauras

I personally use a weakaura to handle player/target/focus and cell for raid and party frames

I don’t arena but if you do shadowed is a good option

[fair beacon]

been using zperl previous expansions, but got some issues (heard having the target of target thingy might cause some fps drops, and does not show the raid roles), else it awesome

[frosty mango]

Shadow has basically every option you could think of and probably some you can’t

[fair beacon]

any issues with fps drops with it?

[frosty mango]

If you want raid frames I highly recommend cell

[frosty mango]

No but I never really used it that deeply

[fair beacon]

tbh I want em all (personal frame, party, raid, taget)

zperl did that

[frosty mango]

IMO shadowed for personal/target etc and cell for party and raid

Cell is highly functional but not the most intuitive

But it’s not super resource intensive and offers a lot of good customization

[round pendant]

I squint

a lot

until my eyes adjust

[lunar flare]

Cell has a unit frames addon too, that's quite decent

[tribal wharf]

when i play paladin, i want to be exactly this, any game with paladin

[neon elk]

Wtf happended to his hammer ? Trying sauron from wish cosplay or what?

[tribal wharf]

this one is the "fighter" class

IF BLIZZARD GOES BACK TO THIS I WILL INSTANTLY COME BACK

big dude with a big sword, and he's swole and ready to kick some ass

warrior stole his hammer, RETRIBUTION hammer

[mortal cypress]

can you draw me on a sparkly unicorn

[frigid valley]

hmm didnt occur til now that we might not get a legendary this expansion

[neon elk]

We got artifact cloak tho

[chilly brook]

not uncommon

didn't have one in BFA either

[neon elk]

And df was .. something , wasnt fyrak like half a mil on mats ?

[chilly brook]

we had two in df

[neon elk]

I meant the axe , idk name

[chilly brook]

Fyralath

[lusty grotto]

good

fuck legendaries

and fuck how they did it in DF

balancing strength dps around them

so you were required to have em

its garbage balancing

[neon elk]

Yea that , wasnt it expensive af ?

[tribal wharf]

too bad they cant add legendary shields as effectively 2 specs would see use out of it without sheild has increased healing

[lusty grotto]

eh not really

maybe if you got it the first week

[chilly brook]

Only at the very beginning of the raid

[neon elk]

Hmm then i miss remember it i guess , but still, im not realy sad about not having legos

[chilly brook]

when was the last time we had a tank lego tbh

[lusty grotto]

lol

[solid sun]

DF

2h prot warrior

With Lego

[lusty grotto]

well technically you aint wrong

cause theres certainly A tank that uses 2h

[chilly brook]

is there?

[severe orbit]

Is it likely whirling blade > ravager in most builds? (aka can I reclaim that keybind for something else)

[lusty grotto]

yes look at the wowhead builds or the icyveins ones

[chilly brook]

I just thought that was a slightly tankier DPS spec that wasn't even tuned well for DPS

[lusty grotto]

lol

[chilly brook]

parry rng gaming

[frosty mango]

Bring back threat modifier on def stance

[lusty grotto]

ok calm down satan

[sharp merlin]

18 prot warriors made title

You heroes!

[chilly brook]

I just want a new tank spec

is it that much to ask for?

if they made a new class for midnight it better have a tank spec

[lusty grotto]

i dont like the idea

[sharp merlin]

Prob another dwarf my dude

[lusty grotto]

maybe when they figure out how to do group buffs and comp synergy correctly

[chilly brook]

adding another class won't break anything

[neon elk]

Wasnt there already a leaked new class ?

[chilly brook]

it's already broken

[lusty grotto]

no, it will just make the class meta instantly

[chilly brook]

all they need to do is make dungeons have all buffs by default

[lusty grotto]

just bring back scrolls

and make em m+ only

[chilly brook]

that would also work

but genuinely I'd love to see a cloth tank

[neon elk]

But do remix versions of them, where u can buff to aply brand/touch also

[lusty grotto]

100%

[chilly brook]

take the idea of arcane (mana being a resource) and make that be how you reduce damage or something

would be cool

[solid sun]

Spellbreaker tank

The talent sucks because the spec will own

[lusty grotto]

by their own logic, they will make spellbreaker a wizard's best friend

[chilly brook]

exactly what I was thinking of actually

[lusty grotto]

they took our boy anti-mage and made him a wizard fluffer

[chilly brook]

midnight is elf themed afterall

[solid sun]

Wizard fluffer ROFL

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/spellbreaker-wow-gif-21776328

blood elf had the spell breaker unit

[lusty grotto]

antimage: im a demon hunter? so i guess i love wizards?

[solid sun]

Warglaive and shield and its unstoppable against magic but folds up like a lawn chair against physical

[frosty mango]

They took an entire class and stuffed into one (shitty) talent

[solid sun]

Who wouldn’t love it

[lusty grotto]

spellbreaker aka our boy silencer

[solid sun]

Spellbreaker tank has a silence aura

No casts allowed in his zone

[lusty grotto]

meta all seasons

[chilly brook]

what if blizz did something crazy

[solid sun]

No friends can cast either

[chilly brook]

what if they introduced 3 classes

but each class was only one spec

🤔

[solid sun]

Like jobs

From 14

[lusty grotto]

im not against adding classes i just think there's way too fucking many in this game

its always messy when it comes to balance

theyve done a good job lately when it comes to strict throughput but still

[chilly brook]

balance has generally only improved in the last few expansions despite this

[mighty valley]

start making classes rotate based on seasons

sorry, half your characters are going in the crystal for a year

[frosty mango]

They can’t not add new classes

[chilly brook]

even this upcoming m+ season, most DPS specs are being considered A tier

and very few S

[jagged gust]

Don't they do that already?

This season bear does 10% more damage than everyone, next season DH, next season Pally, next season DH

[frosty mango]

New classes generate expansion purchases, they kinda got away with tww with hero classes but they either gotta add new classes or new specs

[lusty grotto]

there's also a lot of other problems that come up with having way too many classes in the game, like we're probably never gonna see 10 man, and what about queues?

[kind urchin]

I said something in someone's stream chat like a week or so ago that Blizz would be doing tuning before raid release. They told me I was stupid and Blizz would never do that but here we are.

[chilly brook]

I think 10 man is a dream

[frosty mango]

IMO we don’t see any more new classes but I do think we start to see new specs

[chilly brook]

10m mythic is never happening

[frosty mango]

I think they could do 15 tho

[jagged gust]

??? They do it literally every fucking season

[chilly brook]

anything other than 20 isn't going to happen

[frosty mango]

Oh for sure I just think 15 would be overall healthier

2/3/10

[chilly brook]

they learned that lesson a long time ago, for the highest difficulty of raiding having two different raid sizes is way too problematic

[frosty mango]

10 would be too small

[azure temple]

new colosus build doesnt take ravager for m+

?

[lusty grotto]

whirling

[frosty mango]

You take whirling blades

[jagged gust]

Everyone takes whirling blades

[kind urchin]

I wanna see 3/3/9.

[chilly brook]

variance in player sizes makes making the fights the same impossible

[lusty grotto]

15 is too much still, the point of 10m is to reduce barriers of entry

[frosty mango]

IMO you just have mythic 15 man, get rid of normal, make heroic the new normal

[chilly brook]

now I could see a 10m specific raid

but it can't be the same as the normal tier

[lusty grotto]

15 is just way too close to 20

halve it

[hollow bolt]

7.5 raiders?

[frosty mango]

10 man mythic would be too hard to balance bc the relative strength of tanks and healers would be way off

[chilly brook]

something like a 2 boss very difficult raid for cosmetic/prestige reward

[frosty mango]

They tried that before it didn’t work out well

[onyx vessel]

[hollow bolt]

7 raiders and 1 helecopter parrent that bio breaks every 30 secvonds?

[onyx vessel]

15 prot warriors

[lusty grotto]

they havent because we've had different types of raids concurrently

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

WoW needs to be brought to 2025

large raid groups need to die

[frosty mango]

I think 20 is too big

[lusty grotto]

more people would raid

[hollow bolt]

20 perfect

[kind urchin]

Almost every guild I've been in and most that I've got people I know in generally have a consistent 18 ish players show up. I think 15 would be fine.

[chilly brook]

20 doesn't feel too big at all

[lusty grotto]

20 is too big sorry

[hollow bolt]

yeah but the second u drop to 15 13 players only show up[

[frosty mango]

20 sucks late season when you’re trying to keep people engaged

[hollow bolt]

the second u drop to 10 only 7 show up

[jagged gust]

It's incredibly hard to get 20 good players in one singular group

[lusty grotto]

maybe none of you work on recruiting, and yes i did say "work"

[hollow bolt]

drop it to 5 and u need 3 pugs

[chilly brook]

you get that regardless of size though

[onyx vessel]

the size isnt the problem the mythic lockout system is a problem

[chilly brook]

recruiting sucks in general

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

[jagged gust]

God recruiting sucks

[frosty mango]

Yes you do, but it’s far easier to overcome logistically at 15

I also think normal raid is a waste of dev time and they should abolish it

[onyx vessel]

same lockout design since forever is so bad pugging mythic is actually not possible

[lusty grotto]

full ass it, dont half ass it

[solid sun]

Is tomorrow a catalyst charge

[onyx vessel]

closing mythic for way to maybe of the players

[chilly brook]

I do agree with this

[frosty mango]

Lfr > heroic > mythic. Ilvl lock mythic and make rewards cosmetic only

Do rwf on tourney realm

[onyx vessel]

normal

[chilly brook]

raid imo should be 2 difficulties

normal - mythic

[frosty mango]

You can leave lfr for the story enjoyers

[chilly brook]

we have story mode now so why

[onyx vessel]

theres 5 modes currently

[solid sun]

Well we actuallybhave story, lfr, n, h, m

[frosty mango]

True, delete lfr

[onyx vessel]

story lfr normal heroic mythic

[solid sun]

That’s too many

[jagged gust]

Story mode should give tier

[chilly brook]

:cringe

[mighty valley]

i dunno if i'd delete lfr but i'd definitely go back in time and cause it to never exist

[hollow bolt]

Raid should only have story mode

[rancid tiger]

20 ppl raid is good

[lusty grotto]

too many classes, too many slots to fill, too many raid brackets...

[jagged gust]

LFR is actually incredibly important to blizzards bottom line

[hollow bolt]

63 man raid group, 1 of each flavor

[lone hemlock]

Everyone should just be able to bring their Brann to raid to fill the raid up to 20.

[frosty mango]

IMO all dungeons should be mythic and m0 should be base level for leveling and “heroic” should be m+1 and keys start at 2

[pallid quiver]

just reduce everything to one form of content and one class with one spec

[onyx vessel]

brann is just weak

[pallid quiver]

this way, everything is on the same playing field

ez balance

[jagged gust]

Like a majority of players never touch raid outside of LFR, it's one of the only things keeping many players active

[frosty mango]

You have a scaling system why have 3 difficulties

[jagged gust]

As always, it comes down to money

[lusty grotto]

i dont think anyone is asking to remove LFR

[solid sun]

Is tomorrow a catalyst charge

[lusty grotto]

but normal is unneeded

[frosty mango]

I think so

[lusty grotto]

no idea Rhino, its one or the other

[pallid quiver]

Meanwhile, Panda classic:

i'm still buttmad

[hollow bolt]

Make mythic flex, scale it to 15, let me bring in 30 goons

[chilly brook]

no

mythic can't be flex

[harsh trellis]

Ive been using my crafted sword and shield all expansion. Is it still ok to use and upgrade for s3 or should i go belt and bracers?

[chilly brook]

we've tried this experiment

[mighty valley]

do none of you people know any players who play a lot but aren't very good lol

normal raid has a place

[pallid quiver]

Optimally, those are higher ilvl and not your embells

[chilly brook]

mythic has to be a specific group size

[rancid tiger]

Sub 20 to few flexspots

[frosty mango]

No mythic flex. Make mythic cosmetic rewards only and ilvl locked

[frosty mango]

Yes, in the trash

[pallid quiver]

But it's not actually bad to have them crafted, since it brings them to nigh-max ilvl

[lusty grotto]

sword and shield is fine, but you should not stop there if other slots need ilvl boosts

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[hollow bolt]

Cosmetic rewards coolin practice, but everytime that happens mythic has the lowest participation

[mighty valley]

kill normal raid and a lot of folks just never raid again tbh

[hollow bolt]

content not getting easier over multile months gives people upset

[lusty grotto]

id hate to break this to you...

[jagged gust]

I do mythic so I can be better than the people who dont

[lusty grotto]

but mythic always has the lowest participation

[hollow bolt]

Yeah yeah its already low

[jagged gust]

plain and simple

[hollow bolt]

BUt it gets even lower

hey if i had it my way mythic wouldent be nerfed we should be bashing our balls into the same fight world first do

[jagged gust]

If you don't give me rewards that make me stronger, I am not better, and therefore have no reason to play it

[chilly brook]

Mythic doesn't need to change significantly from current iteration.

[hollow bolt]

Just get good

[chilly brook]

Really the biggest thing that needs to change (imo) is the lockout

[solid sun]

Mythic being 20 is wrong

[rancid tiger]

Mythic is fine ye

[solid sun]

That’s just the cold hard facts

[lusty grotto]

agreed the lockout has to die

[rancid tiger]

No

Lockout should die

[fluid widget]

I hate being locked

[hollow bolt]

Mythic is fine, if u wanna raid, then raid. if u dont want to then dont, chaning the lockout aint gunna do shit, yall will just play a diffrent game after 2 more clears

[rancid tiger]

At least after a point

I mean hc lockout would mean easier to pug

[mortal cypress]

20 man mythic raid....you and 19 branns...."DONT STAND THERE!"....
19 branns all die 1 second later

[rancid tiger]

And breathe life into mythic raiding

[solid sun]

Mythic raid should require runs to be deathless and only one shot a week

[chilly brook]

How? There are 13 classes in WoW. only 6 of those can tank, and only 6 of those classes have access to healing specs.

[jagged gust]

you only get mythic gear if deathless, otherwise downgraded to heroic

thatd be hilarious

holy shit guilds would be toxic

[mighty valley]

all signs point to blizz actively not wanting mythic raid to be pugged and until that changes, lockout's not going anywhere

(and raid size probably not going down)

[solid sun]

What does any of that have to do with 20 man raids

[rancid tiger]

Raid size should stay

[rancid tiger]

Flex spots

[chilly brook]

15 would be omegalul for class representation, 10 would never happen (too small), 25 was a bit too much

[lusty grotto]

but then why would they be focusing on raiding all the time? that makes no sense

[solid sun]

Mythic should be 10

[lusty grotto]

brother we went from multiple groups of 72 in EQ1 to 40 and then 20 in WoW, why wouldn't we go down

[hollow bolt]

Myhtic raiding should require your ssn, 1 per lockout, if u want more attempts, you can get it by stealing other peoples ssn's. And u could buy extra raid attempts via cash shop

[chilly brook]

you act like we haven't had raid sizes anywhere from 10-40 players and everything in between

[lusty grotto]

nobody has time for fucking massive raids

[chilly brook]

we went from 40 to 25 to 10 and back to 20

[lusty grotto]

its 2025

[hollow bolt]

25 and 10

not 25-10

[lusty grotto]

no we didnt go from 25 to 10

yeah

budget got it right

[chilly brook]

10 was by far the best way to play the content

woefully imbalanced

[hollow bolt]

10 mans the fun mode i love it im just hanging with the bros thinking about the hoes

[lusty grotto]

i mean i prefered it only cause i could get 9 friends easily

[hollow bolt]

but thats just it, its fun

i like my hard content on 20

[solid sun]

I’m always hard

Check Nimchip’s gif

[rancid tiger]

Because we tried 10man, but doenst work

[solid sun]

Still want 10

[hollow bolt]

i aint here making friendsf im here to smoke dick and get the clap harder then my batchlor party

[lusty grotto]

says who

[chilly brook]

we had the option for 10 man to overtake larger sizes

[lusty grotto]

10 man certainly worked, it just doesnt when there's 2 different raid sizes to balance

[rancid tiger]

Says ppl who tried

[chilly brook]

and they decided 20 man was the better option

[lusty grotto]

brother i was there

it worked

we preferred it

[rancid tiger]

M8 it did not

At all

[hollow bolt]

eh i had people like it and hate it

[rancid tiger]

Raid cds would be hell

[hollow bolt]

dno liked 25, my shit ass group loved 10 man

[lusty grotto]

the only reason we didnt prefer it was due to the fact that 25 man loot was BETTER

[rancid tiger]

Nah

[lusty grotto]

yes

[rancid tiger]

It was 2 tanks 2/3 healers to 5 dps

[lusty grotto]

how do you think i have this

[rancid tiger]

Thats horrid vs acces to healers and dps

[lusty grotto]

10man was superior

if only it had the same loot

[hollow bolt]

uh

[rancid tiger]

U are just wrong

[hollow bolt]

i have both

[lusty grotto]

nope

[hollow bolt]

what does that mean?

[chilly brook]

it did during Cataclysm

[hollow bolt]

yeah same loot during cata and mop

[solid sun]

Thegokke is thewrong

[chilly brook]

and 10 man was broken

[hollow bolt]

i liked 10 mans in mop

[lusty grotto]

your opinion is just your opinion, and there's 100% im not wrong

[hollow bolt]

cata was eh

[chilly brook]

in comparison

[hollow bolt]

wrath was super eh

[rancid tiger]

U are

[hollow bolt]

like it so much im doing it again lol

[lusty grotto]

are you 12?

[royal mist]

In regards to wrecking throw and the absorbs. Is it only the first boss that has a shield?

[chilly brook]

10 man was significantly easier in cata

[rancid tiger]

As mines based on playerbasr

[lusty grotto]

link this data

[hollow bolt]

I think mythic should be solo, like elden ring, if u die, just get good

[lusty grotto]

also

its an opinion

so who gives a shit

about what other people think

10man was superior, period

[rancid tiger]

Ratio of tank + healer to dps

[lusty grotto]

LINK IT

not classic btw

[rancid tiger]

Join m+

[lusty grotto]

retail wrath

[rancid tiger]

Sit in queue

[lusty grotto]

link the data

link it

[hollow bolt]

wait but u said it was ur option

[lusty grotto]

wheres the poll

[hollow bolt]

why should we give a shit link boi

[lusty grotto]

because hes still going about ratios

that's data

[hollow bolt]

Dont care made up the poll ion my dream

[lusty grotto]

in case you missed that part completely

[hollow bolt]

and my poll says 40 man mythic, if ur pc cant guide a rocket to the moon, or risk exploding, are u really raiding

[rancid tiger]

So nim 50% of raid grp would need to be heal // tank id venture

[hollow bolt]

why only have a skill cap when we can also have a hardware gate, required 10k processor, must ssl graphics cards

[rancid tiger]

At least 40%

[lusty grotto]

im still waiting for the data that proves my opinion is wrong

[rancid tiger]

Look it up?

[hollow bolt]

its your opinion its not right or wrong?

[lusty grotto]

im not the one claiming shit

[hollow bolt]

saying my opinion is right is kinda...dumb?

[lusty grotto]

you look it up

[rancid tiger]

I dont need to

[lusty grotto]

thanks for getting there

the other guy still hasnt

[rancid tiger]

I allready know

[hollow bolt]

your uhh

not really making a good look foryourself

[rancid tiger]

When u do a raid grp

How often is it dps u lack?

Vs healer + tamk

[lusty grotto]

does it matter?

which one is faster to fill and easier to maintain?

[rancid tiger]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

9 other people? or 20

[rancid tiger]

As u would need more ppl to tank and healer

Than now

[lusty grotto]

do you think a 10 man m+ would actually be good?

[lusty grotto]

why is that a bad thing?

[torn gulch]

probably not

[lusty grotto]

you want more tanks

in the game

you want more healers in the game

[rancid tiger]

Because it aint happening

Like

[torn gulch]

but a 10 man dungeon tazavesh style would be good

[lusty grotto]

yes, go on..

[hollow bolt]

i really enjoyed the brm raid

i thought it was a ton of fun

maybe that is the way having more side dgns with 10 man or 15 man groups, that are for fun

[rancid tiger]

If m+ which basicly gives tanks and healers a free ride cant give us enough

[lusty grotto]

"resistance to change"

[hollow bolt]

it was very fun learning stuff in between tiers

[rancid tiger]

Ok but lets say we do 10 man raida only

[hollow bolt]

speciually since it wasnt super optmized and we were making shit up

[rancid tiger]

We have what 20 dps specs?

[torn gulch]

if you think m+ gives tanks and healers a free ride you re delusional
do you know how much abuse tanks and healers get in m+?
plus the meta discourse
there is a reason we have both a healer and tank shortage

[rancid tiger]

They so queuewise

[hollow bolt]

lmao tank and healer free ride

thats why its called dps princess

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[hollow bolt]

not tank princess

[chilly brook]

26

[rancid tiger]

Into dungeon queue they do

[lone hemlock]

Everyone has a free ride in M+ queue wise if they just run their own key.