protection

[waxen frigate]

then i'll forgive

[dusky canopy]

id probably vomit ngl

[frosty mango]

WW apl was updated

Simcraft itself seems to have been as well

[lusty grotto]

then its just brew

[waxen frigate]

@lusty grotto

[wet sigil]

is there an ilvl value for s2 tier

[lusty grotto]

no, but if you have myth pieces you hold for 4pc

otherwise, your best bet is simming

[wet sigil]

im going for more survivability. havent simmed in a while, does it sim that

[lusty grotto]

there's no such thing

whatever benefits you offensively also benefits you defensively

[wet sigil]

okay

thanks

[lusty grotto]

s2 4pc is strong because its SC cdr which means SB uptime

without it you'd need to run more haste rating

[undone beacon]

Yeah but what if I don’t take SC, take that nerd

[lusty grotto]

then you're inting

hard

[undone beacon]

It’s too many buttons in my devastator-less build

Need more space for devastate

Sorry it’s late ignore me

[wet sigil]

thats good to know. thanks

[jagged gust]

This feels like playing DPS war last season, just a bunch of WAs that go ding, I had to learn which ding meant to press which button

[dusky canopy]

I got it just had to create the items in top gear and then copy the input.txt from the report page and paste it into droptimizer

It wasn’t about the apl version

[frank bobcat]

Just swapped to thane for the first time since S1 & loving the outrageous executes! Stoked to play both hero talents this season once I grab that 4 set

[civic holly]

Emissary of the bear coming from his 3 button spec coming in with its too many buttons got me good.

[lusty grotto]

sorry we already have enough emissaries

and they def dont bind IF to everything

as they should

they only meme about it

[civic holly]

Yoooo you gotta save rage in case you wana maul!

shit i did meet a prot warrior reroller (bear main) last season running around doing +14 keys with his 40% uptime on shield block, abusing the healer for "not keeping him topped and letting him die to magic damage", wasnt pretty :(, his arguement was that he shouldnt have to press block unless he really needs it

[nocturne spindle]

on single target its more impactful

on aoe thunder blast go brr

[undone beacon]

Hey, watch your tongue. I hit Mangle, Thrash…. Moonfire… uhhhhh

fuck you got me

https://tenor.com/view/bear-exploding-gif-18403884229748594041

[maiden grove]

Question, what percentages on secondary stats should I be aiming for with Vers being fairly equal to crit?

I feel like I am super hast heavy so trying to redistribute before raid tuesday

currently at 41% haste and 40% mastery unbuffed

[wet sigil]

does non seasonal mythic dungeons count towards vault and give current gear? like if i did cinderbrew or rookery

[mighty valley]

It really barely matters, just prioritize ilvl as you get new stuff when the seasons start, get haste where you can, use sims as a tiebreaker if that comes up

[lusty grotto]

its 7% on all target counts

i did the sims

on friday

and on stats yes you go by sims

haste heavy doesnt mean much considering you will drop 4pc when you get 4pc and you will need more haste to talent ITF and to keep SB up since you lose SC cdr

drop s2 4pc when you get s3 4pc, i mean

if you dunk below 20k haste you will need to go heavy rep

without s2 tier

[frosty mango]

i dont think ill ever be able to do the ?? kyveza

[lusty grotto]

not with that attitude

[frosty mango]

im pretty sure it will induce a seizure

[lusty grotto]

lol

[frosty mango]

like a real actual seizure

i had problems on that one fight in aberrus too with rapid eye movement

[lusty grotto]

which one

im older than you both

cmon now

40

i doubt you drink more than me

🙂

that is true

the longer the fight the more opportunity for fuck ups

[frosty mango]

i did fine for like 6 minutes but got all sweaty and had to alt f4

[lusty grotto]

haha

[frosty mango]

very very very unsafe fight for people who may get photsensitive seizures or migraines

[lusty grotto]

@warm plinth do you get vet gear on every visions run or just once a week?

[frosty mango]

gonna just go ahead and not try that again

[warm plinth]

Just the first 5 mask per week. Then you start getting gradually worse adventurer for subsequent runs

[lusty grotto]

goddamn it

my dh got fucked

it needs neck and pants

[warm plinth]

could just craft if you have some weathered crests

can make 675 gear

[lusty grotto]

got weapon and... head slot? which i already have a champ on

[raw parcel]

I saw MT got a nerf. Still the clear pick this patch?

(After 4 set is acquired)

[lusty grotto]

yes

still the clear pick

7% nerf overall

on all target counts

[raw parcel]

Ouch.

[lusty grotto]

its not that bad

we're still ahead

[lusty grotto]

im gonna just do that

30 per right?

[warm plinth]

yep

[frosty mango]

forgotten experiments

thats the one

had to get benched on that fight bc blizz was trying to murder

[lusty grotto]

goddamn it roid

fuck that fight

and the reason i say fuck that fight is because who makes fights with MD required AND a so punishing for having high dps

moving queues are garbage

spell queues*

[maiden grove]

I am assuming SB is shield block? Sorry don't understand the acronyms

[lusty grotto]

yes:
itf = into the fray (talent)
sb = shield block
sc = shield charge

[lofty glen]

Do we craft weppon and shield?

[lusty grotto]

depends on your vaults, but yes

shield first

[sick sentinel]

what class can i play in wow so people dont rely on me for interrupts

in mythic dungeons

[lusty grotto]

disc or holy priest

[sick sentinel]

is there any dps that doesnt have an intnerrupt

or i won be resopnsble

[lusty grotto]

no

[sick sentinel]

balance druid on 1 min cd?

[lusty grotto]

shadow priests if they dont talent silence i guess

[sick sentinel]

if i miss that interrupt amm i still respbnblbive

[lusty grotto]

yes

youre supposed to help the group out

[sick sentinel]

nah im in a 8/8 mythic guild , they told me ineed to talent interrupt for shadow

[lusty grotto]

but in easy dungeons you shouldnt worry too much about it

[sick sentinel]

lol

no man

i got called out

[karmic steppe]

Is worth dropping 4p undermine to higher ilvl ?

[sick sentinel]

normally i tank and i let my dps do interrupts

[lusty grotto]

no

[karmic steppe]

Got 2 low low pieces :c

[sick sentinel]

but now im dps and i have to interrupt

[lusty grotto]

s2 myth 4pc for s3 4pc

[lusty grotto]

then sim

youre supposed to kick as a tank

but ill let you 1guy the channel for a bit

[sick sentinel]

ya i know im supposed to kick as tank

i do kick as tank on some bosses

but on big momma my dbm doesnt work for her

she the only boss my dbm doesnt work

[lusty grotto]

why do you need dbm, just look at nameplates

[sick sentinel]

hm

but which add needs interrrupting

[lusty grotto]

its variable

they swap

[sick sentinel]

well thats not convenient

[warm plinth]

You're 8/8M and you don't interrupt things? 🤔

[dense cradle]

change your focus?

[sick sentinel]

well i didnt earn 8/8 the real way

the guild im in is 8/8 also, i just joined last week

[frosty mango]

its very easy to kick as dps

you see cast bar and you press kick

bonus - the bar is low because most dps never press the button

[dense cradle]

i mean

[frosty mango]

so you're in luck

[dense cradle]

m+ meta often being tanks with extra stops

is testament to how bad at kicks

alot of dps are

[sick sentinel]

lol i mean i have done 12s on mythic and never had to interrupt

[lusty grotto]

this feels like a troll

so

[frosty mango]

there are more than enough kicks to go around in literally every dungeon for everyones kick to be on cooldown all the time

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[dense cradle]

12s aint hard

[sick sentinel]

bugt then i did m0s and the group i was in called me out

[frosty mango]

no you had to interrupt you just didnt, which means you were carried

[sick sentinel]

12s are not hard yes ur right

[dense cradle]

i’ve also done 12s where i beat one of the dps

as tank though

[lusty grotto]

you didnt have to say it lol

[sick sentinel]

ok im not the best, some bosses when i was tank i did the interrupts like on cancldking

i did all odd interrupts

and i told my dps to do all evens

[frosty mango]

why, people should confront when they are obviously not doing something they should so they can improve

[lusty grotto]

you know i do that

[sick sentinel]

but other than that i just interrupt if i 'had' to

[lusty grotto]

but this just feels low effort

[frosty mango]

if youre in a 12 in a tank and think "I don't need to interrupt" idk how else you can interpret that

[lusty grotto]

something just doesnt add up

[dense cradle]

i dont get people who dont kick

its off global

[sick sentinel]

i knew some dude who said in discord chat its not his job to interrupt or move out of fire

[dense cradle]

i’d be as rich as bezos if i had a nickel anytime im on warrior and a dps only kicks when i have reflect up

[sick sentinel]

at least i attempt interrupts and i move out of fire

so im not the worst!

[dense cradle]

think the sweatiest tank thing i did was probably

try to snipe soulreaper executes on bdk

for runic corruption

idk if worth

[sick sentinel]

idk if dps is my thing guys

i dont wnt to interupt

[dense cradle]

every role does it

well besides healer

sometimes

[sick sentinel]

maye ill just play preiest healer again

[tame jasper]

even those, esp the ones with short kicks

[sick sentinel]

so i dont have to interpt

[lusty grotto]

[dense cradle]

yeah hence sometimes

[sick sentinel]

disc and holy preiest

i have a 675 holy preist

[crisp dawn]

so true man

[dense cradle]

do druid healers lose much talenting theirs

rsham kick is most accessible iirc

[sick sentinel]

wait druid healer doesnt have interrupt!

[frosty mango]

never known druids not to kick

they spend most of their time in catform anyway

[lusty grotto]

yes they do

[dense cradle]

they can

[sick sentinel]

how

[dense cradle]

skullbash on druid tree

[sick sentinel]

oh ya

ok holy preist it is!

never to interrupt again ! good ridddance!

[brittle owl]

[sick sentinel]

tired of people posting details interrupts for me

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-fish-this-is-bait-gif-11212449

[crisp dawn]

yeah until you are not taken cuz you cant kick lol

[sick sentinel]

but preist is meta guys

[brittle owl]

i think

might sound crazy i know

but maybe, just consider

the possibility

[crisp dawn]

is kick even on the gcd?

[lusty grotto]

stop taking the bait

[brittle owl]

that you actually don't like WoW

[crisp dawn]

no honest question

[dense cradle]

half the time priest is meta i feel

[brittle owl]

nou

[dense cradle]

its to PI an important person

aka some busted caster

[lusty grotto]

priest aint meta

rdruid is

unless..

boomy actually goes up in damage with tuesday's buffs

[sick sentinel]

boomy is getting a buff

[dense cradle]

idk boomies always complain

about their spec doesnt do damage

then raid opens

[brittle owl]

everybody complains

[lusty grotto]

then raid opens?

and they're only good for one fight

[dense cradle]

And spread cleave boss

[lusty grotto]

so idk man

[dense cradle]

Idk anytime i look at tettles stream

hes competing with tanks

on details

[lusty grotto]

🙂

[frosty mango]

priest isnt usually meta bc pi

[brittle owl]

maybe don't watch tettles

[dense cradle]

I mean its just saying who the average person

gets their info from

taking the piss

[lusty grotto]

watching tettles is fine

[frosty mango]

priest is meta bc disc is a preventative healer with multiple percent based external mitigations which means you can extend your groups effective hp and push higher keys

[brittle owl]

why would you watch someone vulnerable to a letter swap

[lusty grotto]

for entertainment

[brittle owl]

thanks chatGPT

[dense cradle]

Priest used to be bad in the past when they’d fall over

to a stiff breeze

[brittle owl]

wanna know what else is stiff?

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-oh-okay-whatever-gif-11550101

[dense cradle]

Nowadays they just fall over if you add a movement required mechanic

to a boss

[sick sentinel]

preist has slowest movement of all healers

u have to cast pws on urself to get speedbufff

[dense cradle]

i swear i probably spent 10% of prog time in df

[crisp dawn]

[dense cradle]

watching priests complain for dragon externals

“spacial me here”

“rescue here”

[lusty grotto]

they still do

even after being lizards

[sick sentinel]

pally has steed, evoker has hover, druid has catform, sham has wolf, monk has roll

priest has nothing!

[brittle owl]

priest has dress and cane

[dense cradle]

Im gonna be honest

i see hover as a terrorism button

more than anything

The number of times i heard “misclicked hover” within a 5 second frame of a wipe

either before or after

[sick sentinel]

hover hasa built in blink

if u spec into it

[civic holly]

Any dps in my experience 😂

[sick sentinel]

normally i do interrupt but on big mama is my weakness

i cant figure that boss out

[dense cradle]

you have a focus macro

and change it

[sick sentinel]

i feel so weak as ds

dps

[frosty mango]

wdym you literally just

target the add

and kick it

or mouseover kick it

[lusty grotto]

you dont need a focus macro for momma's adds

lol

youre supposed to be prio'ring them anyway as dps

the fuck do you need a focus target macro for in that fight as dps, youre not hitting her outside of the damage amp

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-felicia-hiding-humiliated-leave-me-alone-girl-bye-gif-21567771

[lusty grotto]

its so easy looking at nameplates like roid says

[frosty mango]

I can't really say much bc I have plater set up to make important interrupts like size 900 font

[sick sentinel]

ya but assuming i see the namepllate sometimes adds are on top of each other

[frosty mango]

so if I miss them its because im dumb

[lusty grotto]

im tired of this low effort troll

[sick sentinel]

so if i misslcick the add

i cant interrupt it

[dense cradle]

im probably just thinking since mostly for dps i play

rogue and dh

which both have funnel debuffs

as hero talents

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats fine

sp does as well

[sick sentinel]

im done playing mage (24 sec interrupt)

[lusty grotto]

either way the guy doesnt know how to kick, so do you really think he would swap focus targets

[sick sentinel]

i have kciked candle king myself

[lusty grotto]

im sure you have

[dense cradle]

one target

[sick sentinel]

wehn i 'havve' to interrupt i do it

and my dbm is working

[lusty grotto]

kk

are we done here?

[sick sentinel]

my dbm doesnt work for big mama

[lusty grotto]

ok, we got it

[dense cradle]

im gonna be honest if people miss kicks on candle king

im fr impressed

[sick sentinel]

lol

[dense cradle]

Do you even need 2 dps to rotate

he doesnt fear that often

[lusty grotto]

for fuck's sake

[sick sentinel]

i do all odd interrupts

then tell my dps they ahve to rotate the evens

[frosty mango]

Nim is gonna crash out

I can feel him

[dense cradle]

This is the worst troll ever

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-jerry-seinfeld-oh-well-bye-gif-13829783

[dense cradle]

[frosty mango]

Bring back roidstack tbh

[sick sentinel]

just cuz i dont want to interrupt big mama?

the one boss i wont interrupt?

[dense cradle]

Whatever happened to that guy

did he get banned for gamerwords

[frosty mango]

Great question I’m sure someone knows

[sick sentinel]

can i dps as tank

[dense cradle]

I mean prot war is basically a dps

[sick sentinel]

igot 2 tanks 684

vdh and prot warr

[mighty valley]

better than dps can tank

[dense cradle]

vdh is kinda snooze

honestly

[sick sentinel]

aldarachi vdh!

is dps

[dense cradle]

bedge spec

[sick sentinel]

so im gonna dps as prot warrior specced into execute

regular dps classes feel so weak

im used to not getting hurt by boss mechanics then i play dps and2 hits killl me

[dense cradle]

yeah i have this suggestion

play dk

[sick sentinel]

blood dk?

[dense cradle]

any

[novel temple]

What hero talent is the go to for the patch now?

[dense cradle]

Only dps that legitimately feels like 2 hits is dead is enhance

that shit is a wet paper bag

[novel temple]

Mountain thane with execute? Even with last season tier?

[dense cradle]

you want tier for thane to do more damage

[rigid schooner]

do we proc mailmental trinket? its simming really fucking high

says ranged attacks

[sick sentinel]

so prot warrior is top dps for all tanks?

[frosty mango]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2495100/Hello_Kitty_Island_Adventure/ i would suggest this

Steam

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nothing can kill you

very safe to dps in hkia

[sick sentinel]

which 2 tanks classes can do highest dps

[novel temple]

Even with the nerf to MT tier?

[frosty mango]

proabably not implemented properly in the sim to account for tank damage

[lusty grotto]

yes

[sick sentinel]

just straight damage , which 2 tank classes can do highest ds

dps

[lusty grotto]

but only after 4pc, Rollyson

[novel temple]

So stick with colossus until then

[rigid schooner]

@sick sentinel bear claw and mountain warr

[lusty grotto]

correct

[rigid schooner]

i believe based on sims

[sick sentinel]

ok

[novel temple]

Aight. I thought so from reading wow head but wanted to make sure

[lusty grotto]

sanlayn dk is reasonably high as well

[rigid schooner]

true

[dense cradle]

arent most players too ass to actually catweave

[lusty grotto]

they are

[frosty mango]

remember when the guy said you're only in catform for like 2 globals

[dense cradle]

bear consistently has the the worst tanks i’ve ever played with

[rigid schooner]

i mean its not even anything much to catweave to do. Played it first patch. You just weave into for the buffed rip and go back into bear form

[dense cradle]

idk why

[lusty grotto]

thats what i said earlier Mich

also they are ragers

[frosty mango]

thats not true literally at all why do people keep saying this

[dense cradle]

unless its vdh fotm

then you get all the male elf vdhs who floor

then disconnect

[lusty grotto]

inc gifs

[frosty mango]

is there like a bad druid guide out there or something that says you only go to catform at 6 stacks of feline potential

[rigid schooner]

because thats exactly what i did

[frosty mango]

i have one of those too

[rigid schooner]

fair enough

[frosty mango]

you can weave in shreds to get off extra ferocious bites while mangle is on cd

you end up shifting back a lot with fluid form mangle to use ravages so in practice itll be like

[rigid schooner]

yeah that makes sense, but it was also my first time actually doing catweaving ever so it was unoptimized. But ill concede on what i said.

[dense cradle]

wait did you just eat a scythe without brand or spikes up

[frosty mango]

mangle -> ravage -> rip -> shred x3 -> ferocious -> mangle

[dense cradle]

brave man

[lusty grotto]

shearchip is ready for another gif @warm plinth

[frosty mango]

only hitting the rip/rake at 6 FF is still better than like what 99% of druids do

who just dont grasp the catweave whatsoever

[dense cradle]

Why does shearchip have no mog

[lusty grotto]

i dont care about mogs on alts

except mage tower weapons 🙂

[frosty mango]

your trinkets make me sad

[lusty grotto]

hey man

i have hero tome and bomb suit in the bags

but i need ilvl to trade

[dense cradle]

mechanocore is good

pretty sure

[sacred urchin]

Guys

How use Ignore pain?

[lusty grotto]

very carefully

and at 70+ rage

in most general cases

[sacred urchin]

I got told it's the first button you push for mits

Idk I don't play prot just curious

[lusty grotto]

no, thats SB (shield block)

[jagged pier]

who is telling u that?

[frosty mango]

Gl

You just set off a fire saying that

[dense cradle]

I once had a normal raider tell me that shield block uptime doesnt need to be 100%

and thats what shield wall is for

[frosty mango]

He’s right, when I raid normal I never press anything but damage buttons

[dense cradle]

no he wasnt doing damage either

bro was talented into bolster

[jagged pier]

i mean having SB will make u do more damage

[dense cradle]

it was the most cursed build i’ve ever seen

no ravager no battering ram

[frosty mango]

I was alluding to the fact that I don’t tank normal but it was lost in translation

[dense cradle]

also told me last stand is a good button

[frosty mango]

I tried to play without devastator today

[dense cradle]

Oh god

[frosty mango]

The fact that it’s even an option is heinous

[dense cradle]

why did you remind me

he did that too

[rigid schooner]

you know, i heard that devestator wasnt always a thing

how bad is it

[lusty grotto]

it wasnt a thing until SL

arguably wasnt a thing in BFA unless you REALLY REALLY wanted to parse

and it was so small that it wasnt really a point of contention

required Reckless Flurry

[rigid schooner]

isee

[lusty grotto]

hmm need to farm valorstones to cap before reset

wat do

[rigid schooner]

wqs

weekly quests, and farming visions

[lusty grotto]

i could do visions rq

[rigid schooner]

you just go to last boss and bonk him and get 10 stones per kill

[lusty grotto]

ugh

that'll take a while

[rigid schooner]

did 0 masks since any masks doesnt give anything

i just did world quests and weekly stuff

[lusty grotto]

5 masks give vet gear but my warrior is already well over that

on a weekly basis

691 with carved weapons

cause it unlocks the vendor

either way my alts are fine on valorstones

[deft fulcrum]

I've been playing this hyper offensive setup in Thane Prot and it's been very enjoyable. It's lacking many defensive nodes though so I dont think it will fare too well when real content comes. But when we get to the point of out gearing the survivability aspect... this build will destroy farm keys

[frosty mango]

Why bsc as thane

[jagged pier]

why are u not running TLs

[lusty grotto]

no TL oof

[jagged pier]

bsv is in out ST damage spec

which that might be

[frosty mango]

Has aoe exe

[jagged pier]

yer i dont know where its from

im just saying bsv isnt out of the realms for thane

[frosty mango]

Yea but you could drop bsc and the spell redux and pick up tl

[lusty grotto]

unneccesarry fight through the flames too

[rough egret]

if you play thane, then i would suggest to take LS with TL instead revenge and spell dmg reduction talent

[lusty grotto]

i mean its whatever

its just weird with BSC and FttF

and no TL

im guessing by "farm keys" the cdr of demo wont really matter

[deft fulcrum]

i kinda like the simplicity of demo shout lining up with thunderoar.
And as i said im really avoiding all proper defensiveness here...

[lusty grotto]

but def not this month or the next

???

you dont play troar as thane

[jagged pier]

but its not more defensive its more offensive to run TLs too

[rough egret]

missing 20% dmg amp on farm keys

[jagged pier]

u can if u want changes nothing

[lusty grotto]

id rather have the crit amp

[deft fulcrum]

BuT tHeN yOu'Re NoT pLaYiNg AbSolUtE bEsT sImMiNg BuIlD ZOMG

[lusty grotto]

brother youre in skyhold

not in reddit

so...

we deal in whats optimal

[rough egret]

we are helping you

[deft fulcrum]

Did i?

[lusty grotto]

did you what

[deft fulcrum]

did i ask for help lmao

gotem

[lusty grotto]

i suppose not, but you did post a build so criticism is allowed

[deft fulcrum]

fair and fact. admittedly not optimal or defensive, but has been cranking and fun, worth a try

[lusty grotto]

our notes werent defensive in nature

[jagged pier]

but its a worse cranking build than the one on wowhead and icy veins everyone is using

having the execute talents isnt a new thing

[rough egret]

try this out 🙂

[lusty grotto]

in fact we did note that FttF was unnecessary, thats 100% a defensive talent

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[lyric thunder]

Quick question for prot chads: if i gear for fury(haste/mastery) and just swap to 1hand shield if i wanna tank will i have any issues or it should work well?

[lusty grotto]

it will work

[jagged pier]

u will have 0 issues

[deft fulcrum]

BSC buffs tblast which is going to pop off even more with set, as long as you weave it in. and TFFT is more chill than the alternative Last Stand which is the only other choice really. Also as mentioned, I like the timing synergy between demoshout and thunderoar. Hence the choices. I understand demoshout cdr being more optimal i do, i just like this one 🙂

[lyric thunder]

Ty ty just saw mastery is low prio on stats so wasnt sure

[lusty grotto]

low doesnt mean bad

or something you should avoid

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

[crisp dawn]

why are you spending a point on "fight through flames"?

[lusty grotto]

he went over it

[fluid widget]

Why no disrupting shout?

[prime sphinx]

why does wowhead raid colo build take disrupting shout anyway

[lusty grotto]

you can probably swap it for whatever

you need the points in that tier

[waxen cradle]

what Veteran gear do visions give ? weapons yeah ?

[lofty glen]

so embelishments are still good i guess?

[prime sphinx]

embelishments are very minor

[frigid valley]

from vendor weapons, from completing is random armor/jewel

[crisp dawn]

i just realized

i cant eat food to heal as a earthen....

frick xD

[frigid valley]

this dont work?

[crisp dawn]

oh whats this

[frigid valley]

general tab

[crisp dawn]

oooooht

this must be new

THE ANIMATION IS SO COOL I LOVE THIS!

[blazing shuttle]

It is very new indeed

[crisp dawn]

tww new or even later?

[blazing shuttle]

Later

Like S2 new iirc

[lunar flare]

How is it possible to be later than the current expansion we’re in

[crisp dawn]

anyway this friggin rocks

and the animation is THE GOAT

[lofty glen]

11.1.7 new

[lofty glen]

so i craft without and keep my 2 versa embelish

[blazing shuttle]

Later than release of TWW

[prime sphinx]

you'd have to sim it but i wouldnt be crafting a wep/shield anyway since first 3 mythic raid gives them. If anything i will end up crafting bracers or belt but only using the free crest from dimensus quest

i guess if u dont raid any mythic then u could craft wep/shield early with embelly

[rough egret]

so many WQ for valorstones.. 😄 if only the cap was higher

[lunar flare]

If only valorstones didn’t exist in the first place

[blazing shuttle]

The Monkey Paw curls…

[lunar flare]

BRING BACK CONDUIT ENERGY

BUT FOR TALENTS

[lofty glen]

they are so useless..... once the season started i could flood everyone with this shit..... las season i did buy like 150 chests of loot XD

[lofty glen]

what do you think are the 2 best trinkeds out of M+?

[jagged pier]

the same as last season

[wispy moth]

They didnt nerfed them ?

Someone told me they nerfed them

[jagged pier]

barely

[wispy moth]

Ok fine then 😄

[jagged pier]

10% on those is nothing

[wispy moth]

Didnt took time to check the nerf.
Raid trinket are bad ?

[jagged pier]

the question were the 2 best trinketts from m+ not raid

[frigid valley]

fastest eu delve today?

[jagged pier]

if the one in undermine was is where u just have to click bombs

its that one otherwise is folly or AA

[frigid valley]

streets is the croc one which is aids

and AA is the dragon i think

folly it is

[wispy moth]

Yes sure. I'll ask another one : for raid, which trinkets are best to target ? If you know

[wispy moth]

Thx !

[lofty glen]

so pace and tome?

[wispy moth]

And still got some questions, sorry if already asked, i'm returning from big break since s2.
I saw that we still running col until new set 4 pieces, but in case 'im running only heroic undermine set, new items' ilvl isnt worth ?
Does icy veins and/or wowhead's guides are accurate ? Didnt took enough time to look at the rework and think about it
I'll certainly switch to MT this season, thunder clap take priority on revenge right ?
Execute proc is the highest priority or shield slam and/or thunderblast still the priority over the sudden death ?

Thanks in advance for answers !

[sick sentinel]

can anyone suggest a good weakaura for tracking executes/sudden death procs?

ideally just a little thing on top of my character, like the shield block/revenge proc

[sharp gale]

Im pretty sure it is suggested tracked buff when you create a WA ingame

[sick sentinel]

oh, not sure what that means hm

this?

[sharp gale]

You create a WA ingame and you choose premade

And you select icon

[sick sentinel]

ohhhhh

awesome, ill give it a try. never realized there were premaed ones in the addon itself

[sharp gale]

Then idon’t remember the options, but you will get it

[sick sentinel]

okay that was super easy, holty shit, ty.

[sharp gale]

Thats how I did a custom WA for death and decay on my bdk

[sick sentinel]

i was making them by hand adn struggling.

[sharp gale]

The premade ones are nice base

[sick sentinel]

guess im redoing my ignore pain too, its scuffed af.

yeah.

i got this going for ignore pain after a billion years, but i really rather have a % than a flat value

gonna try to ermake it too, ty.

[sharp gale]

Then you can play around the options

I use luxthos bar for my ignore pain, it looks good enough

[sick sentinel]

is that an addon

gona check it out

[sharp gale]

Wago.io is the website to look for weakauras

[sick sentinel]

oh yeah. found it (: ill check it out

[sharp gale]

Luxthos is a popular one

It is a general WA for your class

I use it as a base, like the premade ones from the addon, bc idk WA coding

[sick sentinel]

this right

looks so busy...

[sharp gale]

Yes, you can remove what you don’t want

[sick sentinel]

ohh

[sharp gale]

I did

Right click and delete

It will sort itself out

(If you ask how it sort itself out : when you create a WA you have the option to make a dynamic group, that’s what a dynamic group does)

I removed the utility spells, put general scale to 0.75 bc it is too massive for me, and removed or added tracked buffs / remove glows

You can take any weakaura and change it to your liking, that’s why ppl likes WA> the cd manager

[quiet pagoda]

I use that (bar for the timer) and added a numeric value next to it, to know when the amount is capped.

[empty moth]

Also Publik's WA is really good. Not that popular, but clean and smaller, and still shows everything the same as Luxnos/Afenar

[graceful maple]

Do we know if we craft shield/weapon Week1?

[lofty glen]

@graceful maple

[graceful maple]

thanks ❤️

[ionic fern]

Agreed. I use Publik's auras on all my characters except for Prot Warrior.

[sharp gale]

For other classes I use afenar as a base (yes the outdated one)

[rough egret]

Why would a player not take shield specialization talent?

[jagged pier]

[rough egret]

think so

[proud cosmos]

My guess is that the block chances are useless since given enough haste, shield block is always up.

[jagged pier]

has nothing to do with the chance

and all to do with the value

not taking 16% more block value is dumb

[proud cosmos]

Did you test on PTR?

[jagged pier]

what is there too test?

[fluid widget]

16 more block value may not be needed if the dangerous hits aren’t the ones that are blockable

[jagged pier]

its nothing to do with what the big hits our, u do massive pulls in higher keys, whats the main soruce or damage in those pulls

in any pulls pretty much in m+

[proud cosmos]

Kira and Yoda timed +18 keys on PTR. If they don’t take it, maybe it is not that worth

[jagged pier]

they both, number one dont like the class, so dont give it much thought and kira himself has said he doesnt play the best talents he plays the ones that he feels is best

having a 16% weakier block literally effects everything else u are taking

taking a bleed well your IP now does less against it because well done u take far more damage from all the melees u are taking

magic damage congrats same thing

like they are favouring EA over shield spec

5% more stam is going to do nothing compared to that block

[proud cosmos]

I guess this is the kind of thing to try and see

[jagged pier]

they will still live, because of their group, which has literally always been the case

but they would have an easier time of it

like i think yoda not even taking whirling blade

like what?

[junior vine]

hi there any updated spell reflect WA available ?

i searched in wago and sites all are s2 not updated yet

[jagged pier]

lets drop our main mitigation by 16% to survive more somehow? like thats the argument of not taking shield spec

[solid sun]

I assume they took EA for the haste

Not for the stam

[jagged pier]

right but 2% haste is still worse for living than 16% more block value

[solid sun]

Which I’m not saying is the right thing to do. I’m just throwing that out there

[proud cosmos]

Feel like they generating as much rage they can to mitigate with Ignore Pain

[jagged pier]

but they are literally missing talents that give them more rage so they can mitigate more with IP

or through AM cycling with SW CDR

[solid sun]

Why are they trusted so much more than the class discy

Idgi

[jagged pier]

because io

when the biggest correlation to io, is time

[lunar flare]

Same as why academics have good ideas but they don't always work in practice or people find other solutions: practical application and "vibes" have a role to play whether people admit it or not

[ocean smelt]

I mean there is also skill but the skill needed to actually play the game and theorycrafting are two very different things

[jagged pier]

as i said at the start kira already said he picks what he vibes with

and thats fine

[lunar flare]

Something can be good on paper but if people feel it's bad, then it's bad, even if the maths says otherwise

[mellow bridge]

they would mitigate a lot more with IP if they took a lot less melee damage

even as a prot warrior, in any key at least 70% or so of the dmg you take is pure melees

[solid sun]

What feels bad about shield spec

[jagged pier]

right but not nessicarily them, but ppl come out and say well its the tankiest build, which isnt true 99% of the time

[solid sun]

I don’t get the argumentation

[proud cosmos]

In Yoda guide video, he said the build which does best dps, not tankiest

[jagged pier]

brother this is not the top damage spec

not even close

[lunar flare]

People pick whatever they want and time high keys with it, therefore that build is the "best"

[prime sphinx]

lmaoooo

[proud cosmos]

I never said it was the best either, just commenting on why it might be. Just testing what works for me. I don t even use theirs.

[jagged pier]

no you said yoda said it was the top damage spec, which is just incorrect information

to give out in a guide

[agile elbow]

tier lists

[lunar flare]

Jakey needs to make a tier list of "most inaccurate prot warrior youtube guides"

[jagged pier]

all of them

it was worse back in SLs ppl were saying the spec was bad while in the gameplay sitting at 100 rage

at least they play the spec

[lunar flare]

Hoarding rage like infinity stones

[prime sphinx]

necro banner gameplay was goat

[agile elbow]

The only thing tier lists accomplish are skewing public perception when it comes to what will get invited over something else while pugging.

[jagged pier]

well because warrior was bad at the start of the expansion back then, it was therefore terrible for the rest of the expansion

even tho it was the second best tank in m+ by the end

[lunar flare]

Excuse me I base all my game info on what max and tettles tell me, so you know I have a reliable knowledge base

[jagged pier]

and 1 of the few tanks that could tank jailor prenerf

[jagged pier]

i think it was Yoda from his last s2 tier list before s2 only got 1 class correct i think

some one was saying

which was VDH

[fluid widget]

Ok but nomeratur definitely plays this class so just pay attention to his talents

[lunar flare]

Isn't Yoda's tier list just

S: Paladin
A-Z: Everything else

[jagged pier]

he also makes a tier list for all specs and roles yet only tanks

[prime maple]

Is the class guide on methods site good or is wowhead better?

[agile elbow]

Yoda will always copium paladin. Like now, he thinks it's super S tier but he's the only tank creator that thinks it is.

[jagged pier]

it was funny in DF when nome hopped in middle of S2 with like 15 less ilvl doing high keys, taking less damage and doing more damage than the 'top prots'

[jagged pier]

wowhead

[fluid widget]

Wowhead is better imo

[jagged pier]

tbf if andy wrote the method one probably okay, he talks to nome sometimes

[fluid widget]

I remember Yoda’s season 1 prot build

[prime maple]

Methods is written by Nate it looks like

[fluid widget]

Shit was wild

Gonna review method’s

[jagged pier]

i would be careful of guild ones, last time they were half stolen from wowhead half AI generated

[frigid valley]

Nothing beats echos maxroll first round where bdk was using arcane intellect and totems xdd

[jagged pier]

well they are the ones im refereing too

havent checked since

but it was wowhead stipped and shifted and AI to fill in the rest

wasnt a good look

[prime sphinx]

looks much the same as wowhead but they put BSV in every build

[fluid widget]

Yeah they really like BSV

[novel phoenix]

"Wolfdisco" is mentioned as author there

[fluid widget]

Not taking whirling blades in m+ is surprising

[jagged pier]

im honestly kinda against it on the fact, that u are likely to proc wraps and BSV at the same time (you will be imorrtal during that) but eh your kinda just wasting BSV useage then

[jagged pier]

so a multi dps spec player?

[jagged pier]

they all under rate rage gen

because we 'generate enough'

[proud cosmos]

I Agree with this, that is already 2 cheat death

[neon elk]

Is that tazavesh satchel that good or they forget to add tank penalty on it ?

[jagged pier]

it was good for us back in SLs

so yes

cant remeber if it has the penlty or not

[fluid widget]

Yeah method’s guide is fine just not as good as Wowhead

[jagged pier]

i mean u have 3 mins to proc bsv and unsync them

but how often do they actually proc it? once - twice a key?

[novel phoenix]

Time to nearly die more often

[jagged pier]

well thats because you havent mitigated somthing correctly that shouldnt happen with warrior

unless u are are actually using BSV as the mitigation

top top keys, take bsv. but for 99.9% of players they may not need it

the question is what else do u take all the talents we have left are kinda meh so why swap bsv out anyway. is also valid

[solid sun]

I don't take bsv because it isn't in the weekly key build and roid told me that the weekly key build is all keys because healers can adjust.

🙃

[analog lantern]

based

[frosty mango]

My memeing is working

[fluid widget]

I do like it got changed from offensive and defensive to push and weekly
Key

[jagged pier]

thats something nome does

not all guides writers do that

[fluid widget]

Warriors Wowhead articles are consistently good

[solid sun]

I even told my long time healer buddy

“Listen this came from corporate. You’re just gonna have to adjust”

[keen star]

how much do you guys sim MT on ST? I only have just over 2 million which feels low so I was wondering if it's maybe because I didn't sim myself all of S2 and just went full haste/crit

[plush tendon]

A little over 2 mil in S2 gear seems really good

looking at Mythic Sprocket logs, the top 100 parses range from 2.6 to 2 mil

[keen star]

oh good I was genuinely worried that my character was bricked because I have like 1000 mastery and 700 vers

and haste above soft cap

[plush tendon]

yea naw

stats dont matter too much in the grand scheme of things

the differences is relativley minor

[keen star]

good, I want to get some nice parses week 1

I'll sim myself also with colossus while I have s2 tier

[plush tendon]

I think Col is the play until 4p

then we make the swap

dont quote me on that though

[keen star]

I'll follow the sim no worries

[plush tendon]

I prefer Col anyways

[fluid widget]

Pretty sure you’re right on that one

[plush tendon]

so works for me

[keen star]

the bursty build also sounds better in practice

[plush tendon]

theres a bursty build?

[keen star]

I mean colossus vs thane

[plush tendon]

I just like not spamming TClap

[keen star]

if you have to do mechanics while Demolish is on CD it's not as bad

yeah MT was giving me more RSI in my left hand

but parses are parses

[fluid widget]

The good news is you won’t be spamming TC as MT either

TB bout to slappity slap slap

[keen star]

spamming TB hell yea

does the 4pc reset CD or just refunds a charge?

[lusty grotto]

s2 4pc?

[keen star]

s3

[lusty grotto]

its cdr

[keen star]

on MT

I heard someone say that it resets TB which sounded too good

[lusty grotto]

you gain a charge of tb

[prime sphinx]

in current gear both sim within 10k of eachother 2.237m colo and 2.229m MT

[lusty grotto]

if ionizing strikes proc

[keen star]

yeah but still it goes on cooldown

[lusty grotto]

right but we're talking TB, not TC

[keen star]

yeah I know it's the same cooldown

[plush tendon]

its also the same keybind

[keen star]

the icon even changes on TellMeWhen

[lusty grotto]

oh boy

its too early for this shit

[sharp gale]

If you get a TB proc from shield slam it doesn’t reset the cd, I wonder if it does from set

[plush tendon]

well because im a elite mole, all my buttons are the same keybind

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-jerry-seinfeld-oh-well-bye-gif-13829783

[plush tendon]

[keen star]

oh that way you can macro SB to TB

[solid sun]

You weren’t here even earlier when we had another “well Yoda takes that talent” moment

[plush tendon]

macro? Never heard of her

[solid sun]

Or doesn’t take it

[plush tendon]

one button rotation does everything for me

[lusty grotto]

wouldnt surprise me

[keen star]

don't listen to a ppal main imo

[plush tendon]

sometimes I screw up though; I put the rotation button on 1 and I sometimes press 2

pretty challanging

[keen star]

you should get rid of your button 2

[solid sun]

You’re a button 2

Ha, sniped

[plush tendon]

button 2 deez nutz

[jagged gust]

Gottem

[lusty grotto]

you should also use tellmewhen

[plush tendon]

naw, outside addons are elitist

[lusty grotto]

thats toxic

[jagged gust]

What's a good add-on that lets me know when something is dispel able

[lusty grotto]

LOL

de

cur

[keen star]

raid frame addons

[lusty grotto]

sive

LOL

[jagged gust]

[keen star]

or look at the debuffs border color

[plush tendon]

can warriors even dispell?

[keen star]

blue should be magic

[keen star]

yes become stone

[lusty grotto]

how do i play warrior?

[solid sun]

If I get salsa with my breakfast tacos does that count as eating veggies

[plush tendon]

that feels like a healer problem

[plush tendon]

yea

so healthy

[jagged gust]

Shit I wrote that wrong, I wanted to ask if one" tells me when" to dispel

[lusty grotto]

this true

[lusty grotto]

[plush tendon]

I wonder if the one button rotation knows when to dispell?

like, if you are a healer, how does that work

[lusty grotto]

oh it knows

"never"

but it knows

[keen star]

dispel is 30% off on the store btw

[solid sun]

Tomorrow is the big day

Is everyone ready

[lusty grotto]

ready to load up the stream in the office, sure

gonna be a good RWF

[plush tendon]

Im ready to go to work, come home, make dinner, try to login, and servers still down for maint

[solid sun]

Oh cmon they were early last week

[plush tendon]

cant be good twice in a row

dont you know

[solid sun]

This is a new blizzard

The woes of the past are behind us now

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-orange-cat-laughing-aaaa-gif-4465510619613777157

[lusty grotto]

cant wait for the ddos during our split runs

[solid sun]

Gonna have to deploy the counter ddos

[lusty grotto]

yes, a distributed allowance of service

or DAoS

[plush tendon]

gonna need a patch launch day bingo board

[lusty grotto]

mines ready

[plush tendon]

"servers delayed" "Area 52 goes down" "EU DDos NA"

[jagged pier]

ty for beta testing

[plush tendon]

Our pleasure

we'll let you know how it is

yall keep grinding dem 0s

[solid sun]

Do you think the rwf teams will go for a deathless Taz run

[jagged pier]

maybe

[shrewd grove]

How are you reading the Blizz launcher from the future? Are you a fucking mage? This is warriors only my guys

[plush tendon]

thats a good question... I think maybe after splits or if they hit a raid wall

cause one fuck up and : ^)

also, all the loot is tradeable

so I'd imagine the ideal is to have 1 main and 4 alts/helpers right?

[solid sun]

I probably shouldn’t be surprised by complaining but I’m shocked by how many people are up in arms about deathless taz

[plush tendon]

which feels real fucking hard

[prime sphinx]

ehh dont think the mythic track item is tradable

[plush tendon]

even for Liquid

I thought they were?

[prime sphinx]

and I dont think they will be using helpers for taz otherwise im jumping off before the dungeon even starts and bricking it

[keen star]

what ilvl is it though

[plush tendon]

its myth track

[jagged pier]

u get a myth track pieve

[plush tendon]

I know Ill attempt it late this coming reset

[keen star]

so if you have m+10 gear you can probably trade it

[solid sun]

We’re gonna try it Sunday

We’re gonna fail it Sunday

[keen star]

wait +10 used to be 655 and myth 1 was 662

so you can't trade myth items unless you spend runed crests

[plush tendon]

good news, hardmode gives gilded

and counts as a +10

[jagged pier]

but will be harder than a +10 for sure

at the start

[plush tendon]

yea, and people will be qq early

on the first death

still a good use of time though to try it every week

[keen star]

Just do it as 5 tanks it's the safest

[plush tendon]

5 tanks and then spec swap on bosses

[solid sun]

No I’m going to do it with my friends

[plush tendon]

theres 0 chance in hell im doing this in a pug

week 1

[keen star]

you mean soon to be ex friends

[solid sun]

Nah i don’t get mad at mistakes

[plush tendon]

I do

[solid sun]

Just learn from em and try again next week

[plush tendon]

Ill send a very aggressive letter to their mom

[lusty grotto]

just make sure they have TellMeWhen

[prime sphinx]

if u pug tazavesh anytime during the week and someone jumps off during the pre key start ur bricked for that week

[plush tendon]

pugs are gonna die to the first boss

[keen star]

what if you join someone's group after already having died previously

[solid sun]

Blizz should have an npc you have to talk to that gives you the buff

[keen star]

or if someone dies you just have to replace them

[solid sun]

That way you can’t be griefed when doing keys earlier in the week

[lusty grotto]

just remember

vote to end will go live tomorrow

🙂

leavers beware

[torn gulch]

from friday onwards when they finish their splits maybe

[lusty grotto]

[torn gulch]

there is no point watching rwf until then

[keen star]

I need to catch up on mechanics for Wednesday's raid

[limpid ruin]

This is the way. No self respecting mole would ever interact with someone they don’t already know

[solid sun]

Nah I enjoy splits a bit

[lusty grotto]

yeah well no need to make the clarification, we all know how it goes

[solid sun]

I like seeing the bosses and usually the vibes are pretty chill and fun

[keen star]

other than the constant ads and phonk music yes

[lusty grotto]

ads? what are those

[agile elbow]

The leaver system isn't going to truly achieve anything. If people are sitting and waiting on a tank or healer and they see they have high rating, and times keys, but are marked as a deserter they'll still get invited. Lol.

[lusty grotto]

it will achieve me not relying on my big banlist for leavers

so thats a win

fuck leavers of timeable keys

just because they're raging

[grim pilot]

People are not really leaving keys

Its rare

Like actually rare

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/topi-taupe-gif-18267041901242486529

[lusty grotto]

wait until tomorrow

[keen star]

targets for padding

[lusty grotto]

or sorry

wait until 2 days from now cause youre EU

[agile elbow]

[grim pilot]

Well system is shit

Im talking about actual leavers

[solid sun]

I don’t think it’s that rare

[grim pilot]

Idk how it is below +10

[lusty grotto]

depends on the keys you do

[grim pilot]

But in +10 and above its a nonexistent issue

[solid sun]

My friends and I can usually call when someone is about to leave

[grim pilot]

It happens, but its extremely rare

[lusty grotto]

but the first week climb does have a shitton of leavers

NA vs EU

[agile elbow]

Can't wait to get held hostage in a 3 group key where they keep voting to not abandon the key and they're all DPS buddies doing 900k.

[lusty grotto]

IDK how it goes in EU

[plush tendon]

I cant remember the last time I had a leaver

[lusty grotto]

NA does

[plush tendon]

even when I pug for weeklies

maybe in S1 I had one?

[lusty grotto]

it happens

the first weeks

[plush tendon]

[grim pilot]

I had one in s2

And i have 4 fully geared chars

And 2 semi geared

[keen star]

EU has leavers often when a key is not timable

[plush tendon]

yea, but who cares about EU

[jagged pier]

should stop next season with the new system

[lusty grotto]

when not timeable, leaving is fine

when timeable though

EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SEASON

the first 2 weeks

[grim pilot]

Cant recall s1

[lusty grotto]

youll get a warlock andy that just leaves

[grim pilot]

S2 i started late week 2

So cant say

[plush tendon]

your fault for inviting a warlock

[grim pilot]

It was pain tho solo pugging as dps

[lusty grotto]

or a shammy leaver

[grim pilot]

8s felt impossible

[plush tendon]

dude, even doing M0s this week

I was like 'omg, please no'

I think I wiped on the last boss in HoA everytime I did that dungeon with pugs

[tepid sparrow]

i ended up carrying people in like 620 ilevel gear a lot on my warrior

[lusty grotto]

oof

[plush tendon]

or watching people not break the little imp dudes on second

[grim pilot]

I had no issues in m0

[tepid sparrow]

i liked it anyway because prot was fun

[grim pilot]

And ive done uh

[plush tendon]

I was like 'nooooo please, I got them all grouped so nice!'

[grim pilot]

Like 8 chars

[keen star]

I had to hack the PGF addon to show me people's S2 rio when browsing M0s and I only joined 3.3k+

[grim pilot]

This week

[plush tendon]

was night and day when doing dungeons with decent players

[solid sun]

I grouped with anyone this week

[plush tendon]

then with the general populace

[solid sun]

What a better time to teach people stuff than the week you aren’t under a timer

[grim pilot]

Idk 3k is enough for a dungeon to go pretty smooth

[tepid sparrow]

the last boss of ara with a crazy good healer was fun because if I freed someone from the webs after the suck I'd say they'd owe me a dollar mid fight

[lusty grotto]

why do you even have to "hack the PGF addon" for that

[plush tendon]

cause Im vibing and pulling trash onto bosses