protection

[jagged pier]

like on my kill i was like yer im gunna die several times

[mellow bridge]

it's super odd i swear

sometimes i was super off and still lived

and then sometimes I swear I was 100% correct and still died

[warm plinth]

I almost made it through; last one was inside the giant glowing ball of bullshit that Brann spawned 🫠

[solid sun]

I had one hiding behind my party frames one time

[jagged pier]

are u playing in the middle?

[mellow bridge]

Ravager trolled me a few times

[warm plinth]

yeah

[mellow bridge]

super hard to see the line inside it

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

It's that big relic of something or other he does that puts the healing beams on yo

the clone spawned legit underneath the big ass orb

[jagged pier]

dont have bran healer

pointless

[warm plinth]

I was under the impression it was the only one that had a point, as the other two sucked

like in general

[mellow bridge]

nah def take dps bran

give him hatarang if you got that

[jagged pier]

nah dps for sure

aegis and hatarang

[mellow bridge]

yeah that's what i used too

[warm plinth]

BRTANNaf;likahgew

[solid sun]

Aegis eh?

[warm plinth]

This asshole dropped his rift on top of the already spawned one

[mellow bridge]

nothing in the last row really does anything in that fight

aegis is a few %

better than nothing

[mellow bridge]

yea bran will troll that a few times but you can usually live with leap + charges

[warm plinth]

yeah I'm just giving up now. Never had an issue with being colorblind in the game before but I just can't see them and I'm getting so frustrated. I thought I made it through one rotation of them and died to one that I didn't see even after it killed me

like they're already hard to see because they're dark and the floor is dark, and then Blizz chose an even worse color for the beam itself

[frosty mango]

Does inky black potion work

Or the other one

[frigid valley]

its indoors

so no

[frosty mango]

Sad

[warm plinth]

idk this is stupid; I was really excited for this one because it's just a pure mechanics fight and I'm usually really good at those

[frigid valley]

just stop being colourblind 🆗

[frosty mango]

What about those colorblind glasses

[dim ridge]

Hi guys, I'm a newbie with the warrior tank, how can I generate more aggro in a pull? 🙁

[warm plinth]

Legit can't even make it past the first massacre. But anyway, gonna stop whining now. What a bummer though.

[wary gyro]

and god forbid bran brings out his devilsaurs and then they further block the visibility of the beam

[warm plinth]

Yeah I had that thought on one pull but didn't have it block anything that time fortunately XD

and pretty sure the egg happens regardless of his spec

[frosty mango]

Are you colossus or thane

[dim ridge]

colossus

[wary gyro]

i had it happen several times trying to do it last night

[frosty mango]

https://enchroma.com/

People I work with swear by these

[frosty mango]

Open with thunderclap and shield slam to get shield block up, revenge to stick them to you

[warm plinth]

Imagine I spent $300 just to do a fight on WoW

[frosty mango]

Thunderous roar can be a good gather tool as well if you find yourself needing more threat

[frosty mango]

Presumably it would help you everywhere not just wow lol

[dim ridge]

ty i will try 😄

[warm plinth]

Oh, I mean, speaking for myself only but I don't have trouble generally

Like there's exactly one real world situation where my colorblindness causes any sort of hiccup and it's pretty minor

[frosty mango]

Yes but this is America, what else is more American than solving a nonissue with the most expensive and overengineered solution ever

[warm plinth]

True

[frosty mango]

Soon they’ll have enChroma+ where they graft them directly to your eyes

But

[mellow bridge]

isnt there a colorblind mode?

does that not help

[frosty mango]

You gotta pay monthly for them to work

[warm plinth]

Colorblind modes in games are almost universally not helpful

[mellow bridge]

damn

[warm plinth]

I do have it enabled, but the problem is they are very generic filters intended to change the hue of color x no matter where color x is

[frosty mango]

Colorblind mode in games is just there so the govt doesn’t sue them for accessibility issues

[round pendant]

But it's thematically consistent! that's what matters!

[warm plinth]

Like...as an example, in Dead by Daylight, you use scratch marks as the killer and a red stain (a short kind of light projection from the front of the killer so you can see they're about to come around a corner) and both are red. I use a filter to change them to purple, but as a result, literally every red in the entire game is purple

WoW and any other game with built-in filters does the same thing (though more moderately)

[peak jackal]

What slots are people crafting this week? lowest ilvl ?

[prime sphinx]

Probs nothing or mby using the free crest from dimensus

[warm plinth]

tbf it's appreciated that they're even trying. But to this day, the most useful part of the colorblind mode to me personally is the checkbox that puts "epic" "rare" "uncommon" etc in the item tooltip

[steady mason]

the newish outlines on the swirlies and line attacks made everything so much better but there are definitely environment/ability combos that are much harder to see

[warm plinth]

Yeah, they've done a really good job on most things this expansion to make them easier to see, but frankly I don't have trouble seeing most things. And on anything with faint edges, I always give wide berth anyway to be safe.

[steady mason]

the first time i went into eco dome it was really tough to see all the purple line attacks.... i really hope those colors get tuned

[warm plinth]

like a lot of my colorblind brethren struggled on like...Maiden in Tomb of Sargeras for example, while I did not because I just identified the different orbs by texture instead of color

[steady mason]

the raid might be tough since everything looks like itll be shades of purple

[warm plinth]

Yeah like uh

Seat of the Triumvirate? Very diffcult. But tbf it was difficult even for people with normal vision

When it's purple on purple, no one can see shit

[frosty mango]

Have you ever used reshade?

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's what I use for Dead by Daylight

[frosty mango]

Yeah was gonna say might help out for wow - at least more than the built in options

[warm plinth]

Is it allowed for WoW? I actually don't know

[frosty mango]

Nothing is technically allowed for wow

If you go by the tos

[warm plinth]

yeah I googled it and the only blue response I found basically gave the "I wouldn't risk it" Blizzard-ese answer

[frosty mango]

Yeah basically anything is “against the terms”

[steady mason]

im pretty happy on/off generally isnt red and green on electronics anymore

that took 20 years

[echo egret]

Any tips / graphical settings / whatever to help me see better the adds and their lines on Ky'veza ?

[tame lake]

I need some help with the priority for mountain thane prot. I recently have seen a video which states that thunderclap (not thunder blast) is the least priority, and shouldnt be pressed at all, only for apply rend, I though it was good spell to press, behind thunder blast / shield slam / execute procs, etc. But maybe I'm wrong...

[mellow bridge]

that sounds like a colossus guide

[frosty mango]

Who made this video

[mellow bridge]

also just read the wowhead guide for the rotation

it's very good

[frosty mango]

The wowhead guide has a rotation breakout

I was beaten

[prime sphinx]

personally I just pay attention to the order they spawned in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlSP7YJhGw

[echo egret]

My success rate is like... 1 in 30. It feels I'm just too slow to see where they are,a dn too slow to turn where they are.

[tame lake]

pretty sure it was a MT vid, since it talked bout Thunder Blast 😅

[warm plinth]

Well idk who wrote that video, but they were as wrong as it's possible to be if they were in fact talking about Mountain Thane. And even if they were talking about Colossus, you still press Thunder Clap quite often and even the APL presses it on cooldown

as long as Shield Slam isn't available

[frosty mango]

Just remember

ABC

Always be clapping

Really can’t recommend the wowhead guide enough, nome has a very detailed breakdown

[tame lake]

Topicx on YT

[frosty mango]

You’re sure it says it’s last priority? Topicx usually makes decent content

[tame lake]

can I paste a pic here?

I quite like his content a lot... so I though I was wrong some how in my rotation... but still

[violet ginkgo]

I think shieldslam should be higher no?

[cerulean tusk]

Shieldslam should go before execute if ya not in danger of overcapping, I see no reason why not

[pallid quiver]

well most prot warriors hate rage

It's a shit resource, and you due to the Law of Inverse Rage Gain, the more rage you have, the less you yourself rage

[warm plinth]

He's already wrong in the second thing on that list

We do not give a single fuck what our IP is at

[pallid quiver]

And since most people adore raging at video games as the sole thing giving them any kind of control over their life, well

gotta get rid of that rage

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, he only says dump into IP...

hmm

[warm plinth]

Shield Slam is also prioritized over literally everything

[cerulean tusk]

no he kinda tells you to use it doesnt he?

[warm plinth]

Nah he said "try and keep as close to max as possible"

Which is just not true

[cerulean tusk]

I think he means to say "dump" and if it happens it happens

just forumlated weirdly

[frosty mango]

That looks right to me except I would not put execute above shield slam

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, the reason you're sending IP as a result based on the wording is to aim for as high of values of IP as possible

[frosty mango]

Though I think there’s
Some nuance here

[warm plinth]

You don't even put thunder blast over shield slam

Shield Slam is over everything

[frosty mango]

You blast over shield slam with 4 set bc you don’t wanna lose procs

[pallid quiver]

4p you likely would with enhanced blasts or if you have max stacks of both, but those are both awkward, relatively minor gains overall

[warm plinth]

Yes, if you have severe thunder you prio blast

but otherwise it's slam

[pallid quiver]

If you have max stacks of both, you send at least a charge of both so you don't waste those procs, either, unless in pure ST iirc

[frosty mango]

I prefer to always slam on cd bc to me I know I am not a perfect player, if I miss a tblast proc then technically I lose a little damage but if I waste shield slam procs that has a cascading effect

Which isn’t necessarily “optimal” but it’s less risky to me

[pallid quiver]

yeah it's generally fairly minor iirc

[frosty mango]

But that video didn’t seem too far off base to me

[pallid quiver]

i didn't watch any of it, just commented on the screenshot

[warm plinth]

Idk that list is entirely wrong

So I can't really say the rest of the video is worth watching

Like if they got some tiny min/max wrong, sure I could look past it

But the fundamental priority list? Nah

[pallid quiver]

oh i just realized TC is below revenge

[frosty mango]

The execute placement over slam I would question but other than that the only other thing i question is clapping only to reup rend - which is true in execute but functionally in non execute you’re gonna need to fill your gcds which means you’re basically clapping on cd. I wouldn’t put revenge over tc tho

[pallid quiver]

bro revenge hits like a wet noodle on Thane

[warm plinth]

I mean he's just confused overall

[frosty mango]

We can just ask him hes here

@gentle violet why recommend revenge over clap as thane

[pallid quiver]

I'm so used to thinking Colo that I was like "This is fine 🙂

[warm plinth]

I'm not interested in having a conversation with the guy. I'm not even criticizing him necessarily. The person posted a rotation, I said it's wrong. That's my investment in the matter.

[frosty mango]

I love when content creators are here because then we can have like an actual discussion instead of us just putting them in the list next to yoda

[tame lake]

that's what I thought too

[warm plinth]

I mean, here's my take on that right

[pallid quiver]

i mean i don't have yoda on any list like most people here

[warm plinth]

You decide to make content to contribute to a community

That content is bad if it's wrong

[pallid quiver]

People hate on him because it's popular to do so

and it's very fucked up

[warm plinth]

It's your responsibility as a creator to make sure your information is correct before you present it as informed

[frosty mango]

Yeah but if those creators are here then then we can better align as a community and maybe that content gets changed

[warm plinth]

It's not my responsibility to talk to you and convince you that you're wrong when the fundamental information is wrong

[pallid quiver]

I take issue with people holding Yoda as a god on literally everything because he streams.

Not even because he does high keys, not even because he provided some reasoning or whatever

[warm plinth]

YOu could've checked that against a guide and learned that

[pallid quiver]

There's a wider belief that guides are for scrubs and noobs and built wrong by idiots.

It's not correct, but

[warm plinth]

Again, if they were wrong about some small thing, I would agree with you Roid. But there's not really an excuse to be that wrong on fundamental aspects of the gameplay. To me, that communicates a lack of effort at making sure you're informing the community properly.

Instead you're just putting anything out there just to generate clicks

[frosty mango]

My take on yoda is that he’s clearly a great player with some questionable takes that are driven by his perspective which is largely different than the vast majority of players. My primary issue is not identifying that and making absolute statements

[frosty mango]

Eh I mean I don’t disagree completely

[warm plinth]

I have no particular opinion one way or the other on yoda. The only thing I've really seen discussed in here that involved him was the BrV/FbV thing and that was a trivial decision anyway so who cares what he thinks about it

[frosty mango]

He’s definitely made some questionable statements lol

Beyond fbv

[warm plinth]

I'm sure he has; that's just all I've seen

I don't watch his content

[frosty mango]

Dunno I just wish people were more trusting of wowhead/iv

I don’t understand why they have such a bad rap

[solid sun]

The reasons that one mattered is because he presented as if people who thought you should take BrV are just wrong and dumb. The guide on wowhead had BrV as the suggested talent. So he's calling into question the validity of the guide and the people who write it

[warm plinth]

That's partially the fault of those sites, and partially the fault of the community to not recognize a change

Some of the guidewriters were absolutely awful for a long time

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I would say he's wrong for that then. It's a very common trope in any game content on youtube. "Look at this SUPER UNDERRATED THING" and it's either not underrated at all, or it's a flex point anyway

But they portray it in a way that like they're the only person smart enough to see its value

[jagged gust]

See I was gonna comment on the topics thing last night, then I ran a sim and turns out he's right

Specifically the TC vs revenge part

[frosty mango]

Tbf the wowhead mistweaver guide is wrong right now

lol

[frosty mango]

Do you have the expert mode string you used?

I’d like to poke at it a bit later

Or did you just move revenge up above clap

[jagged gust]

Hard disagree with many of his takes on talents (his initial build didn't even take itf) and there's too much nuance to the top 3 abilities to prioritize

[solid sun]

talents are a mistake

[jagged gust]

I'm actually walking my dog, @ me in a while if I forget

[earnest cove]

this ?? Delve really makes you feel bad and slow :>

[zenith cosmos]

am I unable to sim prot warr on raidbots rn? It keeps giving me error

[jagged pier]

should be fine

[zenith cosmos]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5JrU8cZoP91qzG2na8sxSJ

[prime sphinx]

i had to remove the custom part for tome of devotion

[zenith cosmos]

Ahhhh, that might be it

[prime sphinx]

idk if it was still needed though anyway

[jagged pier]

its not needed anymore

[zenith cosmos]

Idk I keep getting crash, only on prot warr

Where do I see if I have the tome of devotion bit in?

[lusty grotto]

its in the APL by default

[prime sphinx]

if u have it still it'll be in custom at the bottom just delete it all

[zenith cosmos]

delete all of custom you mean

Or just anything about tome

[prime sphinx]

all

[lusty grotto]

you shoudn't need a custom APL, unless youre doing execute sims

[zenith cosmos]

ok that fixed it, ty 🙏

Haven't looked into prot warr too much as wasn't planning to play much this season as I got a bit bored of colossus, but I really enjoy thane. Assuming I should still raid with colossus until I get new seasons set then switch to thane? Or can I just go thane out the box

[lusty grotto]

optimally you want to stay colossus until you get 4pc

[zenith cosmos]

ye thats what I figured, will do that then, ty

[lusty grotto]

but you can play whatever you want, thane isnt unusable, it just does less damage until then

[gentle violet]

@frosty mango Yo - sorry there is too many messages. Hard to keep up. Because it does more manage. If you have a global to use which is rare cause you’re usually busy spending globals on other stuff, you’d much rather press revenge simple because it does more damage than baseline clap.

Baseline clap is your lowest damaging ability. It’s only really useful for maintaining rend. The reality as Thane though is that you’re unlikely to have many globals for either.

[lusty grotto]

as thane?

youre losing lightning strikes if you prio revenge

so i wouldnt say its baseline more damage

in the long run youre losing more

plus its a rage generator

[gentle violet]

False

Revenge also procs lightning strikes

[lusty grotto]

yeah but TC can be used more often

[gentle violet]

Like I said, you have very few spare globals to use as thane. If you have a spare global once in a blue moon and both clap and revenge trigger lightning strikes, you’re just going to press the one that does more damage. Unless rend is about to fall off you’d clap.

[jagged pier]

the only instance of presssing revenge as thane is when u have SS and TC on CD nothing else

its literally used to fish for SS procs

when u ahve nothing else

its not to do with damage its literally i get SS back (maybe)

[lunar flare]

Binding shield block/ignore pain to scroll up/down is life changing, just have to relearn 20 years of zooming in and out lol

[jagged pier]

also depends on situation and how much rage u have sometimes it might be better too IP

[lusty grotto]

your spare globals are used on SS

[jagged pier]

u shouldnt be press SB that much thats bad

[gentle violet]

You have spare globals outside of thunder blast, execute procs and shield slam. We are talking after that.

[lusty grotto]

and SS will be up a lot with burst of power

[mighty valley]

if SS is available, that’s not what we’d usually call a spare global lol

[gentle violet]

Exactly lol

[lusty grotto]

meaning if you have to use a global on something you'd use it on a rage generator as prio

cause SS will do more than any of the two, but thats not in dicussion

[lunar flare]

i think im thick because i dont understand what you're saying here

[gentle violet]

SS being available isn’t a spare global. It’s too core to MT. Spare global is do I weave in a Revenge or clap to keep rend up. I guess pressing clap can fish for SS procs but you’re going to be pressing clap SOO minimally that you’d be better just doing more damage and weaving in a revenge if you have a global and everything else is on CD.

[lusty grotto]

youre forgetting thunrderlord entirely

[jagged pier]

there isnt a choice in revenge or clapping as thane

[lusty grotto]

and you want rage for execute cleave

[jagged pier]

u clap

theres is no other case

[gentle violet]

You don’t need rage for it, it’s free lol….

That’s the entire reason execute procs are so high on the list. It cleaves and it’s a free proc.

[mighty valley]

i’m intrigued for when billy knives returns from his walk with sim results

[lusty grotto]

im not talking about SD

[gentle violet]

NP - the only reason I responded in here is because I saw a picture of my guide with questions and I’m playing SD in my guide because it has great synergy with the execute cleave talent in M+. So not sure why you’re not talking about SD. It’s going to be in everyone’s m+ build.

[jagged pier]

you cant equate a one instance choice of revenging over TC because that instance will appear over a key a lot of times, and it will always be better to TC, because of rage gen for AM cycling, more demo shouts because more TCing, which will again be more rage gen and more damage because of booming

it isnt a choice of weaving in revenge

u TC

[lusty grotto]

im not entirely sure about that

[jagged pier]

if execute is available u press it after SS, regardless of free or not

u bounce your IP back to full with it

because BrV

so u dont need to spam IP

u just use your rage on execute instead

[lusty grotto]

anyway i understand your logic, i dont agree with it, but its not unfounded

[gentle violet]

I think this conversation is hard because my content is mainly around title key range m+ so there IS situational differences. You need to optimize for damage a lot in high keys and I think that’s part of the reason there is a disconnect here. Even tank damage matters a lot. So you guys might be prioritizing rage gen, extending SB or IP, etc. that’s usually not an issue in high keys, at least not when I was doing 19s. The issue was timer and it probably will continue to be, especially since they buffed mob HP and made it easier for tanks to survive this season in M+. So when you’re down to your 4th or 5th priority on a spare global, the only thing that really is damage. (unless you need that bit of rage in that exact second for something else)

[jagged pier]

prioitizing rage gen is more damage

because its more avatars over the key

same with more demo shout damage amps

doing 20% more damage through demo more often is more damage than pressing revenge a few more times

[lusty grotto]

and more demos

[gentle violet]

Again, that might be true if you were ALWAYS faced with the revenge vs clap decision but again, I can’t speak for yall but in high keys, you barely have spare globals that the amount you’d actually be pressing clap baseline over the key is going to be pretty minimal CDR.

Also, if you have no rage or rend is about to drop, then obvs the only thing you can press is clap, but if you have a spare global + have rage and this is the first global you’ve had in 1 minute im just going to revenge for damage.

That’s just me, we will see how I do this season hehehe.

[sharp gale]

There is a point where raw damage > cdr, but Col didn’t reach it is s2, I doubt we will see it in s3

[lusty grotto]

i dont think the point is whether youre gonna be pressing revenge at all or not, its about being higher prio than TC, revenge is always available it has no CD

[sharp gale]

You will always want AM feeding

[lusty grotto]

it seems like its prio for you with a very specific set of conditions

"is a gcd available?"

[sharp gale]

If you are talking about revenge> clap, yes there is a context you press revenge before clapping

[lusty grotto]

if TC is up, you want to use it: rage gen into IP and into AM and Outburst

amongst other things

like TL

[gentle violet]

Thank you

[jagged pier]

i mean your dicussing a difference of 38k

[mighty valley]

this back and forth seems pretty pointless without someone running the sims to compare the two prios

[jagged pier]

thats literally not going to change anything

over a key

at all

[lusty grotto]

we'd need an edited APL

[gentle violet]

Sims can’t factor in how much damage you’re taking in a key and how many globals you’re spending on IP.

[jagged pier]

if the globals are that rare

pressing revenge in them

will make 0 difference

[mighty valley]

but your reasoning for pressing revenge is more total damage, right

[gentle violet]

The sims are target dummy numbers which are helpful but they can’t tell the full story of an encounter.

[jagged pier]

get your CDR down slightly it may make other pulls doable further in the key

[solid sun]

If it’s that few button presses aren’t we just splitting hairs

[mighty valley]

100%

[sharp gale]

But it is so minuscule, I couldn’t tell the context, but I know I do it

[mighty valley]

splitting hairs based on feelycraft is like. our favorite hobby

[steep valley]

What is the point of class discords if not to split hairs

[gentle violet]

Yes because we are psychopaths

[lunar flare]

Welcome to class Discords my friend

[jagged pier]

hes saying the moments are so far and inbetween that it wont make a differnec eto AM cycling or TL CDR, but will make a difference in timing a key? somehow

[solid sun]

I’d be shocked if I bricked a 19 because I choose to clap cheeks instead of revenge

[jagged pier]

if it doesnt effect one its not going to effect the other at all

[solid sun]

I’ll probably brick the 19 because I suck instead

[jagged pier]

and for 38k per target hit

it not going to change anything

[gentle violet]

There is a way to figure out if taking raw damage over CDR is worth it but you’d need to know exactly how many free globals you’re going to have which is very situational.

[sharp gale]

it doesn’t matter really

[steep valley]

the only theory that really matters in the end is that you should press whatever buttons you want and blame your healer if you die

[gentle violet]

Yeah it’s not going to matter. I would be surprised too. Was just explaining my reasoning. If you flesh one or the other every 30 seconds when you have a free global. You will notice zero difference IMO.

[sharp gale]

You will never deplete a key bc you do this (maybe bc TL but it will be so unique situation I exclude it)

[gentle violet]

We do need healing forsure

[earnest cove]

Be safe, just clap. The difference between either choice is minor, so why bother. Guess rng is a bigger factor overall than the free gcd choice

[jagged pier]

you said your self its so little its not going to effect CDR, but u need extra damage too time a key so theres ither a lot of them so it will make a differnce to the damage and therefore it will make a difference too the CDR or its the otherway around and its soo few it would effect the key then in that case u take the CDR

[steep valley]

the real meta is how to best gaslight healers into taking the blame for everything

[gentle violet]

Clapping is probably more fun tho

Def more thematic

[lusty grotto]

stop memeing about healers

this aint classic

[waxen frigate]

You don’t need to gaslight you just call them shit and people believe you

[lusty grotto]

healers catching strays

in skyhold

smh

[waxen frigate]

Healers are subhuman idc

[jagged pier]

theres also this we are forgetting if not all targets are rended it would be more damage to get rend ticking on them

[waxen frigate]

Especially the ones in my guild

[gloomy silo]

what disc belt are we using? haste?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[jagged pier]

crit

[steep valley]

^the class discord experience

[lusty grotto]

welcome to skyhold

in most situations you want haste

especially this and next week where upgrades will happen

and haste will go down

since ilvl > all

[jagged pier]

just equip what sims highest

we arent gunna be wearing the belt for long

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

@frosty mango did the conversation with topic meet your expectations

[gentle violet]

@lusty grotto Appreciate you

[solid sun]

I’m going to do a key with no claps and a key with no revenge

And then provide the results

[gentle violet]

@solid sun You just opened the door for a hard “No” lmao

[solid sun]

I think this will settle what needs to happen

[gentle violet]

Juicy content

[solid sun]

Thanks for being here

[jagged pier]

i mean as i said and did in season for new ppl you do not need to press Revenge as thane and you will be fine

hepls to learng the speed

[lusty grotto]

i forgot theres a bit more nuance to the execute part of the convo

[solid sun]

Are you going to run SD in keys jakey

[lusty grotto]

cause regardless if you play SD or not

you will tab to executable targets

[cerulean tusk]

Execute shines, I press

Simple

[lusty grotto]

and SD will not always be up

[cerulean tusk]

[jagged pier]

i will be

[jovial arch]

I have a war tank with raidfinder tier 636 set, should I keep 4x until I get pieces from the new set or just replace them with m0 items?
Raidbots says replacing them is dmg lose, but it cant show if it is better for tanking.

[lusty grotto]

you wanna funnel the execute cleave, that will require more rage

[mighty valley]

Just follow the sim tbh

[gentle violet]

50 ilvls is too much, I would replace 636 gear probably but yes sim it.

[lusty grotto]

dropping 4pc means he will need more haste

[jagged pier]

nah i said it early u replace one rage dump with another and at least in lower content u keep your ip up all the time

[lusty grotto]

just FYI

so sims are kind of correct there

[jovial arch]

Okay, thanks for the answers

[gentle violet]

In execute window yes. I didn’t include an execute window priority. Mine was just regular. The free execute procs with SD don’t require you to tab target.

[lusty grotto]

yes but my point is TC will have prio

because not all mobs have the same health pools

as in, little mobbies that are executable will exist in a given pull

[frosty mango]

What was the conclusion

[solid sun]

Idk

[hardy snow]

ok, achiev on kyveza done

[frosty mango]

Who was right

[lusty grotto]

its nuanced

[solid sun]

Idk that either

[lusty grotto]

heavily

[jagged pier]

late

[solid sun]

It sounds like revenge will do more damage within the key press moment

But more claps could be more overall damage over the course of the key

[jagged pier]

i dunno if execute is availble im pressing it expect if SS is off cd u should have the most dangerous mob targetted so all your ST goes into it.

with new tier is should be fine right now u rage starve

[lusty grotto]

im not debating whether to press execute here Jakey

this is all because of TC prio

not execute

its just a part of why i consider TC to be higher prio, due to rage gen

[jagged pier]

im saying for me its after execute

[lusty grotto]

i'd imagine that my point is gonna reflect badly on 5t patchwerk sims anyway

because all 5 probably have the same pools

but in the game

tabbing to executables probably yields more damage

and we're gonna need rage for that

outside of SD procs

[charred ivy]

speaking of exe. if i do mainly m+. will i loose alot dmg if i dont use it now? i didnt usually use it alot cause felt like it didnt fit so well in my rotations etc. had decent parses anyway so i just never bothered xD

[jagged pier]

depends on the talents u run

and parsing in keys is a meme

[cerulean tusk]

You are a meme
I am a

[charred ivy]

well i woul prefer not use it i think . maybe not too big of a loss?

[jagged pier]

as i said

[lusty grotto]

its a big loss yes (if you mean whether you should be pressing execute or not)

[jagged pier]

if u dont use the execute talents u wont loose much damage

but the execute talents are ahead of the other builds

[jagged gust]

The push build may be for you if you're uncomfortable with squeezing those executes in

[solid sun]

Naruto avatar doesn’t wanna press rasengan

Crazy

[vocal flame]

we are replacing 4c with 4c right? no matter ilevel?

[lusty grotto]

can sim

if low ilvl on s2 tier

[cerulean tusk]

Naruto died. Now it is Boruto.
Rasengan is oldman news.

[frosty mango]

So

[lusty grotto]

but s2 myth for s3 tier is a wait until you get 4pc angle

[frosty mango]

No one was right

[vocal flame]

yeah thats what I thought cause now I have 658 ilevel tier and even the 681 stuff im getting isnt better

[solid sun]

Boreduto

[sharp gale]

ITF/HR enter the room

[lusty grotto]

yes

happy is correct

when you drop s2 tier, you need to make sure you have AT LEAST 19k+ haste for ITF

otherwise you'd have to swap to heavy rep

[sharp gale]

If you have lower than 18k I wouldn’t even consider it

Not even sim it

[vocal flame]

well that makes it simple lol

[sharp gale]

Bc below 18k I know I will have to drop ITF, and it will be an obvious loss

[rough egret]

Ah yeah shiled charge cd reduction will be missed

[frosty mango]

You’re spending zero globals on ip because it’s not on the global

https://tenor.com/view/reptile-lol-hehehe-gif-5441436

That’s my contribution to this conversation I’ll see myself out now

[cerulean tusk]

The cost is potential lost globals

[solid sun]

You created this and all you did was meme on it

[cerulean tusk]

dont be dishonest

[solid sun]

I respect it

[sharp gale]

Fuck my excuse to not kick as dps falls into the water

[frosty mango]

Let me meme

[cerulean tusk]

Noh

only suffer

[sharp gale]

It only is a loss if you are a caster

[frosty mango]

Do you know how many times I’m channeling fof on monk and they’re like rollburg kick

https://tenor.com/view/nope-brennan-huff-step-brothers-no-not-at-all-gif-16704124883174027526

[cerulean tusk]

<@&257983573498265600>

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/djkhaled-dancing-footwork-its-another-one-gif-12164541

[idle needle]

NODDERS

[frosty mango]

Mods so fast

[cerulean tusk]

What is the scam going on nowdays, never cared to look what the picture chain tries to show

Is it something like "go here and do this"?

[frosty mango]

Mr beast is giving away free money didn’t you hear

[jagged pier]

mr beast, marvel, any popular streamer

[sharp gale]

50$ Steam gift cards

[frosty mango]

Yoda

[jagged pier]

cyprto all cyrpto

[cerulean tusk]

Gio57 is the one giving steamcards

[sharp gale]

Or elon musk smh

[cerulean tusk]

he such a good guy

[lusty grotto]

lets summarize the discussion

Both reset SS so im excluding that:

• Revenge: costs rage (depending on procs), provides more damage instantly, applies deep wounds, on gcd, contributes to AM slower due to gcd, available all the time only depending on Rage available and/or procs
• TC: generates rage which contributes to rage cycling due to IP off-gcd which affect AM and Outburst, provides cdr on Demo Shout for more damage (and defensiveness), on cd, less damage instantly but more damage overall in a longer timeframe, synergizes with execute funnel on low health pool targets due to rage gen, applies rend

A lot of the nuance can be attributed to combat window duration, bleed duration and uptime, rage numbers, among others that I could be forgetting

[cerulean tusk]

You forgot the TLDR conclusion

[lusty grotto]

tl;dr cat pees backwards

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-mouse-pointing-laughing-wait-what-gif-19018549

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/ptsd-rat-rats-war-stare-gif-6652452482778739959

[urban portal]

I thought revenge gives cdr on demo not tc

[lusty grotto]

thunderlord

[urban portal]

Wait we talking demo shout

Not demolish

That’s on me

[lusty grotto]

oh

let me add that

just so its not confusing

[crisp dawn]

sup yall ragey folks

[cerulean tusk]

Demo is demolish! Yes, yes! Join me!

[crisp dawn]

im worming my way back into prot, and realized that i am generating more rage than i actually can usefully spend. sometimes im just dumping rage on IP so i dump rage, with SS procs already waiting. i cant really figure out if i am doing something wrong....or if blizz just failed

[cerulean tusk]

When ya got more rage, ya dump it with IP for AM value, yarp

[crisp dawn]

AM value?

[mighty valley]

Anger Management

[crisp dawn]

ah

[mighty valley]

reduces CD on avatar and shield wall

[crisp dawn]

gotcha

[lusty grotto]

IP is off-gcd, you can use it in between globals

[crisp dawn]

yeah im still adjusting ^^

[gentle violet]

Very nice. A+

[crisp dawn]

just feels to me prot could use something offensively to dump rage on

outside of execute

[lusty grotto]

well thats revenge

but its on global cd

compared to IP being off-gcd

[crisp dawn]

ye its just my ss and clap procs so often

[mighty valley]

yeah, that's thane

[crisp dawn]

i barely get a window to press revenge

[gentle violet]

Yep - that’s normal!

And good

I don’t think we need something else, I think they just need to make revenge more fun and rewarding

[sharp merlin]

But IP still only pressed to dump rage?

[mighty valley]

basically

[lusty grotto]

over 70 rage in most cases, if high damage you can press it just dont starve

[mighty valley]

in high keys you might need to hurt rage income to make sure you have a buffer for tankbusters

[crisp dawn]

now i only need to get loot

running heroics all afternoon and baerely getting anything

feels like im internally lockd or something

[lusty grotto]

weekly chests are better loot than heroics

you shouldnt stress over heroic loot

[crisp dawn]

yeah i know i just want stuff from heroics so i have a solid ilvl to do m0

and delves

[torn gulch]

you can craft loads of 675 gear

[crisp dawn]

trying to claw my way from 630 higher

[lusty grotto]

do your crafts yea

[mighty valley]

you can do delves at basically any ilvl tbh

[torn gulch]

with weathered crests

[crisp dawn]

i dont have profs leveled

[torn gulch]

you don't need them

[crisp dawn]

this is a new toon resubbed 2 weeks ago

[mighty valley]

but just for vault, they're not gonna give good loot til the season starts

[crisp dawn]

(also i hate crafting it sucks)

[torn gulch]

you get someone else to do them

[vocal cave]

bloodmallet must be trolling right ;p?

[crisp dawn]

arent those things used to upgrade items?

[lusty grotto]

yeah? but weathered you get by breathing

[crisp dawn]

im capped

[torn gulch]

you can craft up to 7-8 items as a new player to 675 with 30 weathered per popo

if you do everything

[crisp dawn]

thats 3 items no?

[lusty grotto]

youre gonna be swimming in weathered by next week

youre not gonna use them for much

[crisp dawn]

just scanning my game right now gonna check afterwards

[torn gulch]

there are one time weathered sources that ignore cap

i made 230 weathered on my druid

week one

with no quartermaster crests except the karesh trust ones

[normal current]

Went from 619 to -> 678 just doing m0 delves , wq and crafting

You can get cap free crests from the renown quartermasters

Save the crafts until you done everything else though so you can fill in the blanks

[torn gulch]

you do the following @crisp dawn :

• theatre in isle of dorn + 3 wq and big wq;
• awakening the machine world event in ringing depths + 3wq and big wq;
• spreading the light+nightfall world events in hallowfall;
• pact weekly in azj'kahet;
• surge pricing+scrap+delivery and handling weekly quests in undermine+3wq and big wq;
• warrant quest+phase diving quest+all the world quests including the big one in karesh;
• wordsoul weekly+titan disk weekly+3 delves weekly from dornogal;

this combined with m0 will put you at 680-ish

[normal current]

Don’t forget the belt from delves

Especially as it the weekly

[torn gulch]

i don't think that's a thing anymore there are no overcharged delves

[jagged pier]

thats gone

[normal current]

Incorrect

I got it yesterday

[crisp dawn]

yeah i got the belt no worries

but im a biiit overthrown by the list

[torn gulch]

how do you upgrade it now with no overcharged

[crisp dawn]

lemme read it a couple times

[slender bison]

Bro is telling "Sparetime Gamer" the way to no-life the game week 1 (which will get deprecated next week)

[normal current]

Just work through it

[crisp dawn]

i resubbed 2 weeks ago

[normal current]

It just requires normal delves

[crisp dawn]

i did that first seeing the ilvl

[normal current]

It’s not even no lifing, over a week it’s easily casual

[torn gulch]

that took about 3h for events

i forgot to add to do the world boss in the new zone

[slender bison]

Ok, but the bottom line is T8 delves are the only thing that have value this week. W/C crests are dead next week. The rest is just Rep farm if you have professions/chasing R18 rune

[torn gulch]

he's 630 ivl and new did you miss that?

[crisp dawn]

well "new"

i did play wow before haha

[normal current]

None of that is relevant to someone gearing up from 600-630

[crisp dawn]

just reorientating so to speak and figuring out the addon stuff

[torn gulch]

at 630 ilvl you try to get to 680 before you consider t8s for vault

[normal current]

I mean to be fair as a tank I was doing 8+ at 630-640ish

[slender bison]

Probably. Too much spam here. Then, yes. Also with 90 Weathered you can craft x3 675 pieces without sparks

[vocal flame]

is the tome sim automatically in raidbots for simming or do you need to use an API each time?

[normal current]

This was all covered in the “spam”

[torn gulch]

imagine reading kekw

oleeee

[normal current]

You can also craft more than 3 675 this week- there’s plenty of sources that go around the cap

[slender bison]

Sry guys, its really spammy with "COLOSUS META" start of season and all that

[torn gulch]

the spam was literally giving him advice to get from his ilvl to a decent ilvl for this season

i'll stop spamming

[normal current]

It’s really not, perhaps it’s best to just stay out of the conversation if you are lost

[slender bison]

I will. Thanks

[crisp dawn]

i didnt really touch undermine

i like the flair and setting

but not the zone

with that dumb car

[torn gulch]

i like driving that in undermine on eurobeat 🤣

deja vu/ive been in this place before

[crisp dawn]

DEJA VUUUUU

😂

now i gotta listen hto it again haha

[blazing shuttle]

DEJA VUUU playing as I charge then shield charge then charge back into another mob like a fucking living pinball.

[torn gulch]

just fired it on youtube now

[blazing shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/stern-pinball-stern-pinball-iron-maiden-bumpers-gif-12658830

[crisp dawn]

but afterwards imma listen to golden again

[rough egret]

Crit goes brrrr

[lusty grotto]

is this you yogi?

@tribal wharf

[vocal cave]

and vulpera/ light goat?

[lusty grotto]

bro those are straight up dps sims

[prime sphinx]

do not look at bloodmallet rn lmao

[lusty grotto]

why would you even look at those

look at how much they matter

[jolly wasp]

You meant to type Dwarf? Then yes

[rough egret]

Dwarf it is!

[jolly wasp]

Btw, if maxroll wowhead and icyveins all have a different neck listed as bis, what am i supposed to put in the guild loot sheet 🤔

[lusty grotto]

wowhead

[crisp dawn]

honestly just let people upgrade heroic stuff without crests

so dumb...its under normal ilvl...who cares....

[viral jackal]

Do we think Prot war will for sure be one of the two tanks in RWF?

[jolly wasp]

we think and for sure dont go well with eachother

[lusty grotto]

likely

only because fury is mid and arms is dead

and battleshout is needed

[tribal wharf]

i dunno who that is, but i'll just say it

without ppl that made doom

we'd be playing, fucking, ps1 graphics, ps2, maybe

today

[lusty grotto]

BF6

[tribal wharf]

30 fps

[lusty grotto]

bf6 beta

[tribal wharf]

nah, later when it comes out

i always play BF

guns and tanks lasers jets aliens mutants rocket launchers flamethrowers, im tehre

[lusty grotto]

its super good

btw

youre gonna like it

[tribal wharf]

did you see

there is a guy banned from the discord or reddit or whatever

that got banana'd

cuz he said, too many screaming women voice lines

not from game just the forum part

[lusty grotto]

i didnt see it

[idle copper]

where do i find the custom apl please

[lusty grotto]

which

[gloomy silo]

is there a decent trinket i can craft at 675 with weathered crests?

or are the crafted trinkets trash for prot

[lusty grotto]

if youre crafting its for ilvl

so the trinket itself doesnt matter

[idle copper]

Tank - MT pls

[lusty grotto]

you will replace it asap

[lusty grotto]

i mean for what

[gloomy silo]

but it could be trash

[tribal wharf]

ppl who play doom are fucking crazy

[lusty grotto]

you dont need a custom APL for MT

[tribal wharf]

and will never ever stop playing it

[idle copper]

ty

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter

youre gonna replace it next week

hero track loot comes out, its not gonna last, you just want it for ilvl

[vivid orchid]

do the hallowfall thing for a trinket if you really need it

[willow portal]

is there a pre tier set raid build on the guides? cant seem to find it

[jagged pier]

They are the same builds

[willow portal]

makes sense

[jagged gust]

Is the liquid raid pack timegated for non subs?

[lusty grotto]

id imagine so

they did it with the timeline

granted they never did it with the pack

but they never release the pack before RWF

[jagged gust]

Ah so thats why, installed and it's just empty placeholders

guess NS is the way to go off the bat

[sharp gale]

It’s not like you reach these WA helpful bosses before RWF is finished

[narrow prawn]

this is fine

[sudden grotto]

I heard we re eating good

[torn gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/foodie-frens-gif-2030378117724103722

[nocturne spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/homelader-homelander-look-at-me-homelandermad-homelanderblindspot-gif-8338719316286988649

[narrow jay]

Macroing ignore pain to shield slam is bad right? It makes spamming ignore pain very easy but surely I'm hitting it way too much by doing this? 😅

[errant wagon]

Thinking about faction changing off nightelf to horde this season since we have the shadowmeld pot. What's a nice horde race for warrior? 🤔
Do we like dracthyr, is the double jump nice?

Vulpera kinda low-key nice with the 40 yard bag of tricks tagging lol

[narrow prawn]

Tauren and Highmountain Taren

[tribal wharf]

yes but then small and furry

so thats a nope for me

if you enjoy the character tails from sonic, okay

[errant wagon]

ha

[glad narwhal]

When do we swap out S2 Tier set ? i assumed it was when we can run 2&2, but then someone has told me to just take ilvl over s2 tier

[narrow prawn]

it's what i did

[civic junco]

Probably looking into it too much, but does race make such a significant difference in keys it should always be a set race to push in mythic+?

[prime sphinx]

no u dont drop tier until u have 4p new tier

[pallid quiver]

If you're talking the most beneficial, the only Horde race of particular note is Dracthyr for glide enabling you to cancel some knockbacks/fall damage, but

that's pretty niche as War, due to Leap/Charge

Vulpera nose for trouble does mitigate a lot of damage over the course of M+, but there's definitely nothing quite like Dorf debuff removal or NE shadowmeld

[pallid quiver]

And if you're aiming to push as your main purpose, there's little reason to not be a dorf or NE, but it's generally not actually that big of a deal

[civic junco]

Legends thanks! Is NE still going to be relevant with the shadowmeld potion?

[undone beacon]

Both orcs can be good for damage, Highmountain Tauren is moose, vulp has a nice mitigation racial, drac has jump+glide plus a knock back racial

But goblin is the obvious choice because goblin

No bias there

[pallid quiver]

Shadowmeld pot shares CD with combat pots

[mighty valley]

Doooooooo nooooooot doooooo thiiiiiiissss

[narrow jay]

I did it back in season one when we never had to think about rage lol 😆

[cerulean tusk]

i am glad Harrow caught that

That could've turned ugly

[mighty valley]

Even in s1 it’d hurt you

[narrow jay]

Out of curiosity why would it hurt you?

[mighty valley]

It’d mean you’d never ever be able to fill the occasional dead global with revenge

[narrow jay]

I know it's bad I just want a better understanding

[mighty valley]

And might rage starve when you need to press shield block

[lusty grotto]

you use it to IP only

not to SS

thats it

[cerulean tusk]

Doing /ignorepain into /shieldslam to instantly get your SS proc off is fine
but to spam dump IP, will just make your global to rage economy a mess

[narrow jay]

I did all the mythic 0s this way and was doing 3m overall and was able to keep shield block up 95% and was able to hit execute and revenge lots still id just make sure to hit shield block before sending slam lmao

[lusty grotto]

m0 is not relevant content

[cerulean tusk]

And ya always had rage for revenge spam, never had a dead GCD? If so, do what ya gotta do, but at best you only lose the flex of having a rage bank. At worst you lower your total rage regen and cause dead GCDs

[narrow jay]

But yes I've removed the macro cause I've realized the rage situation isn't the greatest anymore especially since I was playing around it knowing it was stealing all my rage

[cerulean tusk]

as long it is gone we happy

[lusty grotto]

i mean

the macro is fine

but you only use it to IP

[cerulean tusk]

(if you use it to IP)

[narrow jay]

I was using both lmao

[fiery wren]

is this nerf enough for thane to not be the best for every single content in the game?

[narrow jay]

But ya the cursed one is gone

[lusty grotto]

no

we're certainly aligned better, and properly played dotc might beat us in ST

it was a justified nerf

but we still one of the best if not the best tank throughput cause basically only 12 bears play dotc correctly

[mighty valley]

Having to think this much and having to play around the macro kinda defeats the purpose of having the macro no? Haha

[solid sun]

We’re punished more for having to leave the boss

Idk how many bosses this raid forces us to

[frosty mango]

I’m one of them 🔥

[solid sun]

You’re a mistweaver

Not even a bear

[frosty mango]

Yas huh I got orange/pink parses on every bear fight I did and 100s in ilvl

Which is mostly because like nim said no one plays bear and of the ones that do almost all of them are bad lol

[steady mason]

I came back from wrath to play on controller. i had shield block and IP macrod to SS (SS then SB then IP) in s1 and hit 2k. in s2 I took IP out of the macro and made it to 3k. this season with the reduced button bloat I took SB off the macro too. doing this made learning how to play warrior in a group much easier to manage and now I feel like I know when and why I should be using either of these off global CDs

[frosty mango]

If we had real gamers on bears I’d be gray parsing

[lusty grotto]

thats because 95% of the bear pop are unhinged power tripping andies that play elune and yell at people for no reason while binding IF to everything

[frosty mango]

@undone beacon he does know us

[lusty grotto]

Nimchippy is a thing

that my druid

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/gross-disgusted-yuck-eww-seriously-gif-15885934

[lusty grotto]

cat go play with your litter

i heard your kind do that

imagine not having the power to dot people to death with the mighty Leptospirosis

[undone beacon]

Did somebody say bear

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-gif-22226220

[undone beacon]

It’s time to bind ironfur to my run button

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, why not - that sounds like something a bear would do

[lusty grotto]

LOL

also dont forget to bind it to jump

[solid sun]

Don’t you think brews are more unhinged than bears

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/look-look-what-i-can-do-weird-bored-attention-gif-5437890

nah brews are usually more hinged

very chill

go into a pug group with a bear

and 95% of the time these mfers are yelling at people for shit that doesnt matter

HEY TIMMY STOP SCRATCHING YOUR ASS, while timmy the mage is just vibing

[solid sun]

I guess I don’t see enough bears

[lusty grotto]

play dps

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-shout-roar-zoo-gif-3179819461428970799

[lusty grotto]

or heals

🙂

[solid sun]

Everytime I see a Druid it’s a boomkin and they’re the most annoying shitter that exists

[mortal cypress]

Lol

[undone beacon]

Idk I feel like bears are overall pretty chill. It’s super easy to survive so they ain’t doin much stressin

[mortal cypress]

So much for druid's being peaceful and at one with mother nature

[lusty grotto]

playing the class, i agree

playing with a bear andy, nay

[solid sun]

I mean I’ll pull four groups and the boomkin is doing tank damage screaming at me to pull even more

[lusty grotto]

do low keys with bear tanks and you'll see what im talking about

[undone beacon]

Well don’t play with bear Andy that guy is a dick. Play with a cool bear like me. EZ

[frosty mango]

Boomies allergic to bearform

[undone beacon]

Do low keys with any tank tho

[frosty mango]

So that tracks

[undone beacon]

Low key VDH is the absolute worst

[lusty grotto]

Pash

is your bear getting blessed vaults again

ping me on vaults

[undone beacon]

Absolutely will

I gotchu

[lusty grotto]

i wanna see the polar opposite of Nimchip vaults

get it

polar bear

[undone beacon]

haHAH

[lusty grotto]

he he he he

[undone beacon]

My vault is gonna bug out and be all cloaks

Can’t wait

[lusty grotto]

that'd be fucking funny

[undone beacon]

I unironically got two cloaks on my warrior this week

One from the Nightfall event and another as a warband drop in a M0

I’m cursed

[lone hemlock]

So I am new to prot warrior and just wondering about the damage profile I should be seeing in single target. I have no enchants, no tier, and no embellishments, at ilvl 668. I did about 900k single target which feels low?

[frosty mango]

With no tier and playing thane, I’m assuming bad trinkets

900k seems pretty close pure single tbh

[lone hemlock]

Pacemaker and some random delve trinket.

[lusty grotto]

that seems kinda fine

we could use a log though

we dont know if youre using outburst on SS, im assuming you are

oh thane...

yeah we'd have to check if youre using it on TB too

also 668 in general doesnt give us much info

weapon ilvl is important for dps

[lone hemlock]

My weapon ilvl is actually "decent" as in 681 for weapon and I want to say 668 for shield?

Outburst is the one where when my rage is 240 I get a burst attack? I've been bad at tracking it but I try to use it on SS.

[sudden grotto]

yes

[lusty grotto]

if thane you should use it on TB too

but in ST, you never use it on natty TC

again logs are more helpful than details breakdowns

[lone hemlock]

I unfortunately don't run logs but I can try to set it up!

So if outburst procs, and I don't have a TB charge, send SS?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

100%

[warm plinth]

Step 1. Download WCL Uploader from http://www.warcraftlogs.com
Step 2. Go into your game options, go to Network, and make sure Advanced Combat Logging is checked
Step 3. Download Loggerhead addon; this will prompt you every time you enter a new area/difficulty and ask if you want to auto log. Other addons do this but this is my preferred one.
Step 4. Once you're done with the dungeon or when you're done running for the night, use the uploader to upload your logs for the night. I usually make sure my game is closed when I do this so that it will let me delete the file right away afterward (since you don't need it once it's online).

[tribal wharf]

last i recall i was using loggerhead addon

which automatically once set, segment keystone runs

[lusty grotto]

i just use raider.io

[solid sun]

Hey @frosty mango

How would a Intel Core Ultra 7 265F handle wow

You mentioned something about processors and wanting a specific kind for wow

But Idr what it was

[lusty grotto]

amd only

intel sucks

x3d are amd

[solid sun]

We don’t like intel

Noted

[chilly brook]

Intel is poopoo

[tribal wharf]

LGA is fucking cursed

[chilly brook]

Granted I like to think that I’m fairly agnostic

[tribal wharf]

shame there isnt better way to do PGA

[lusty grotto]

im pretty agnostic

[chilly brook]

But Intel hasn’t innovated too much recently and they’ve been happy to just throw more power at it

[lusty grotto]

it just hard to deny amd's benchmarks and price

same as nvidia, which is why im leaving it for amd next gen

intel has done good things with their gpu though

just not quite there yet

but they are super close

[chilly brook]

I haven’t bought an Nvidia card since the 970ti

Would have happily bought a 10 series but I was in college and no monies

[solid sun]

What do you use?

[lusty grotto]

amd is a better bang for your buck nowadays

[chilly brook]

But I don’t think they’ve made anything that justifies the prices they want in the last 3-4 generations

[lusty grotto]

they have been shitting the bed with expensive af prices and low vram

plus every single game seems optimized for AMD

especially if they are multiplatform, both xbox and ps have amd gpus or similar

[chilly brook]

Radeon 7900xtx that I got on a good deal

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[lusty grotto]

my last card will be this evga 3070ti

[frosty mango]

Do you only really play wow?

[lusty grotto]

wish evga was back tbh but still

he plays other things

cause he did play dune

[frosty mango]

It’s a capable processor but if you’re building a new rig and you game the amd x3d processors really are far more performant (and in this case cheaper)

If you’re locked to intel because of your motherboard it’s a capable chip but I wouldn’t expect it to set any gaming records

[chilly brook]

I’d have been happy to pay for a 5080, if the 5080 actually was a legitimate generational leap and not “AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, AI, did I mention AI?”

[frosty mango]

I have a 9700xtx and it has been great

The 3080 is a highly capable card though

[lusty grotto]

🤝

[frosty mango]

Prob no need to upgrade if you’re not running 4k

[solid sun]

I’d say 70% wow, 15% Dota 2, 15% whatever came out the squad wants to try

[lusty grotto]

yeah the 3080 is for sure

[frosty mango]

Wow is a unique case because it’s spectacularly poorly coded

[chilly brook]

Hell I’d buy a 5090 if it wasn’t 2 grand lmao

That’s highway robbery for that card

[frosty mango]

But games in general the x3d processors are generally just better

[chilly brook]

Like bruh the titan used to be like $1000?

[frosty mango]

I could go into the reasons why but

[lusty grotto]

yeah I 'member

[chilly brook]

How did we go to double that

[torn gulch]

it is just me or kyvessa's ghosts are a little bit bullshit with positioning
you look straight to her and you still die sometimes

[frosty mango]

Capitalist greed?

[frosty mango]

Get used to ai bc moores law is dead

There is no more power

Framegen is what we got

[chilly brook]

Nah, market bought it and keeps buying it

I blame people more than the company

[frosty mango]

Unless we wanna be running room size heaters again

[chilly brook]

Not really true though

It doesn’t hold to the strictest definition anymore but we haven’t hit a significant wall

[frosty mango]

Well for gpu manufacturers it is - because they can get far more profit roi by investing in software solutions over hardware solutions

[lusty grotto]

the problem with nvidia is that they've taken every single price hike and adjusted it into their price point because people keep buying it regardless, tariffs? silicon shortage? cryto craze? people keep buying so nvidia thinks "well fuck it, they'll buy at that price point anyway"

[chilly brook]

That was just Intels excuse for not caring anymore

[frosty mango]

So unless you plan on manufacturing semiconductors

Framegen is what we got lol

[frosty mango]

TLDR capitalist greed?

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

Like Intel years ago said it’s dead

[frosty mango]

We can trace most of of woes as a society back to capitalist greed

[frosty mango]

IMO it is not dead really - we’re moving towards quantum computing

[chilly brook]

The last CEO of Intel though said it was very much alive

[frosty mango]

I think that will be the next big leap

[lusty grotto]

would be easy to correct if people actually kept their fucking money in their pants

same deal with the pre-ordering bs

[frosty mango]

Yeah have you met people

[lusty grotto]

i was getting to that

[sharp gale]

Most ppl are irresponsible

[chilly brook]

The people who still game at 1080p who buy the new 90 series card every year

[lusty grotto]

ive been having the same old argument this weekend with my dumbass friends cause they absolutely CANNOT stop spending on preorders

[chilly brook]

Next weekends BF6 beta determines if they get my money

[lusty grotto]

like do you really need to preorder bf6? yes, its likely a buy, but a pre-order? what could you possibly gain from it?

giving money to corpos before the game is out is just showing them you have no control over your impulses and are willing to go there

[solid sun]

My friends got bored of bf6 this weekend

They went so hard on the beta

But my pc can’t run it

[lusty grotto]

the game is solid

[chilly brook]

I had a great time, I’d just like to see how they take feedback and if they’ll implement some of it in the next weekend

Plus I think next weekend we have access to rush

Also different maps iirc

[lusty grotto]

my biggest feedback is... put a loadout fucking button on the winning screen so we dont have to quit to menu every time

thats the one thing that boils my blood

[solid sun]

I still have a 1080

[lusty grotto]

yeah next weekend has different maps

[solid sun]

So I was thinking about getting a new pc

This conversation has made me decide I don’t wanna

[chilly brook]

Nerf tanks or buff RPGs or nerf engineers

I beg

[lusty grotto]

buff rockets

[solid sun]

I’ll just run this until it dies and go fishing ig

[lusty grotto]

25 damage is 2042 levels of garbage

[chilly brook]

The pocket engineers are a plague

[lusty grotto]

that's only an issue cause people are doing the challenges

but rockets shouldnt hit tanks for 25 damage

4 rockets to down a tank, 4 c4s to down a tank.... like what

or at least put in area weaknesses

[chilly brook]

More like 12 rockets because pocket engineers

[lusty grotto]

lol

could probably just nerf torches a little bit, but i wouldnt completely dunk on them

pocket engineers have always been a thing on previous games

rockets hitting for nothing wasnt

[chilly brook]

also nerf scope glint

It’s way too much lmao

How tf am I supposed to aim for the head when I can’t even see the character model

[lusty grotto]

i dont really have an issue with it

but i do get where youre coming from

[waxen quarry]

amd has it still its called sapphire

[lusty grotto]

ye

[waxen quarry]

love when the mid range nitro+ has the same power delivery and cooling as the top end nitro+

funny

[mortal cypress]

Don't think I've ever had an amd card.... Maybe had one just after they bought ati

[torn gulch]

did a little bit of ?? kyvessa and it seems I am too old for a fight like this

things happen very fast

[lusty grotto]

youll get used to it

[waxen frigate]

Feels good to farm leaderboards in bf6 because new gens don’t understand the core of battlefield

[lusty grotto]

lol yeah ive noticed that

[waxen frigate]

Literally like 20% more score than the rest of my team as a 4-1 recon

and we won

All I did was sit objective, spot, and blow up their tank

Ez money

[fluid widget]

Are folks going to go left or right for priory next week? I’ve seen arguments for both

[jagged gust]

right is far less cancerous than last season

It's not a constant fiery armageddon you're forced to RP walk through

Personally I much prefer the routing of going right, have to wait and see how it feels in an actual m+ run though

[torn gulch]

still gonna go left for now

[frosty mango]

I’ll be going right

It has no mechanics now and it makes the boss fight much easier for the healer

[warm plinth]

I'll be going left because space denial and more space denial

[slender blade]

this is an opinion question but do you guys think thane is harder to play than colossus? I am just curious on thoughts in here since you guys are the experts

[lusty grotto]

no

thane is considerably easier

[slender blade]

That is interesting to hear, i wonder if you prefer more the playstyle of thane as well?

[warm plinth]

I like both playstyles. Thane is basically the same playstyle we've had since Legion

Colossus is the outlier

[lusty grotto]

colossus is legion prot

thane is everything else after that

[warm plinth]

Misstated a bit but yeah

[lusty grotto]

no, i dont prefer the thane playstyle, im bored of it

[warm plinth]

on my part*

[frosty mango]

Basically all tanks are boring imo

Rotationally

[slender blade]

I also think I prefer colossus, that demolish feels so satisfying to hit i really like it, and all the revenging is fun

[lusty grotto]

its not about being satisfied or not

prot has played the thane playstyle for so long

that it is boring

an ability being satisfying is nothing that affects me

im not an immersion person

i care about performance, thats it

which is why im going thane with tier like the rest of us

[slender blade]

I am as well going thane even if i prefer one more than the other a bit when i get my tier

[north bramble]

How are y'all tracking violent outburst? I use quazii's WA and it track the rage used but then when it procs does it light up shield slam? Because it looks like the same glow as when it gets reset.

On action bars

[lusty grotto]

i use nome's

[cerulean tusk]

I dont

[north bramble]

Is that pinned?

[lusty grotto]

no

just download another WA that tracks it

[hardy snow]

Im using luxthos pack with some modifications to fit me, but outburst tracker works fine there

[north bramble]

Copy that thank y'all

[cerulean tusk]

Why not just send slam before clap, and ya don't need to track it

[undone beacon]

imagine tracking anything, be a MAN and raw dog it

I'm a warrior i dont use anything that has the word WEAK in it

WEAK AURAS? WE DONT DO THAT HERE

[lusty grotto]

[cerulean tusk]

Pash gets it, it must be his wild side

[solid sun]

I map out the entire dungeon to the tiniest detail

I don't need a weakaura because I just have a lot of different egg timers that make different sounds

When one goes off I know what ability to press

[mighty valley]

i honestly just get by with the buffs on my plater thing mostly

just whitelist the ones i care about

i have old man ui

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto hey bro my guild mate is trying to sim droptimizer as if he already has the season 3 4pc on his WW monk (apparently they swap hero talents once they get 4pc) I dont know how to do that but im pretty sure its an advanced sim thing right?:

[waxen frigate]

weak auras make weak players

@lusty grotto hey bro my guild mate is trying to sim droptimizer as if he already has the season 3 4pc on his WW monk (apparently they swap hero talents once they get 4pc) I dont know how to do that but im pretty sure its an advanced sim thing right?:

[lusty grotto]

monk apl isnt updated afaik

[dusky canopy]

nish go eat some cand fish

adults talking

🙂

yeah i checked peak

seems like its updated

hes worried that he wont get considered for loot or something lol

since shit sims as if its a down grade until he has new 4pc

@waxen frigate my bad nish i had an attitude for no reason

[waxen frigate]

@Nish Tuah (Wuzz = warrior huzz) my bad nish i had an attitude for no reason

[dusky canopy]

forgive

[waxen frigate]

buy some surstromming for urself and eat it