protection

[dusky canopy]

Lots of factors really

First vault

Drop luck

Etc

[fluid widget]

My justification is that the shield makes a much bigger difference to consistently running higher keys early in the season than a high ilvl weapon does

I’m not RWF, the damage isn’t the issue for those prog bosses

[solid sun]

You can make the argument that because you're playing fury warrior and it sucks you might as well bolster your prot spec because at least it's good

[slender grail]

Why we got nerft we are not even meta paladin was s tier in m+🥲

[fluid widget]

We were gaping other tanks in damage

And damn rhino warrior only has 2 specs be nice

[cerulean tusk]

Cause we were 500-600k ahead of others

[wicked jungle]

Yeah survivability for sure, but between that and committing a time gated resource for a replaceable item there’s a difference

And again I’m not against the idea, I’m just brainstorming

[lament osprey]

What does the 🔮 say for talents with 4 pc.

[wicked jungle]

Like, now that I think about it, you would replace that crafted shield only with a mythic track shield from raid and supposedly from last bosses iirc

[slender grail]

So we play clossus now ithink

[jovial steeple]

hey team, is there a SpellReflect WA for S3?

[solid sun]

I'm going to take any max ilvl shield, regardless of stats

[keen star]

if you raid you can count on eventually getting the 2nd boss mythic shield for sure

but also first boss has a 1h mace

[fluid widget]

Yeah 100%. Pretty sure the only reason the RL is ok with it is because I’m a backup tank

[keen star]

every crafted item is temporary I guess

[wicked jungle]

Yes that is my position right now, I’m assuming I’ll get one in the first few kills

If it drops, that is

[fluid widget]

^^^

We didn’t have the 1h drop from Rik for 7 weeks

[wicked jungle]

Also, I am the only shield-class tank player in my group and no Hpals, so even slightly more chances

[wicked jungle]

Relatable, I haven’t even seen it with either ppal or pwar

[fluid widget]

Any idea if ele/resto want mh/shield?

[wicked jungle]

I guess they might need the shield yes

[fluid widget]

Damn shaman

[wicked jungle]

But not sure, they might go for crafted OH 🙏

[fluid widget]

Yeah ele recrafted shield with ascension so just resto shamans to worry about

[sick sentinel]

is this pure ST or like a dungeon slice?

[frigid valley]

Does questlog still reset when factionchange?

[glossy wind]

Guys havent done pve in years

i need simcraft addon

to use raidbots?

[idle copper]

Just checking we can't have Rune or gilded crests this week can we?

[fast berry]

correct

[flat tundra]

Yes

[idle copper]

What add on please?

[idle copper]

👍

[slender grail]

In m+ still thane is better or we shoud play colossus?

[fluid widget]

Colossus until 4p, then thane if you want to do the most damage

[viral jackal]

👍

[paper quarry]

How big was the nerf for single target

[granite vault]

Hello all. Old dps player coming back to this fine game and planning to try out tanking. Hope its doable. Gonna start it slow. If you guys have some special hints I am open to those. Atm just relying written guides. 🙂

[still crown]

Watch dungeon route videos and guides. Quazii has some good content for beginners

And some great UI configs

[glossy wind]

Last time i tanked was legion final season

got rank 7 vengeance in the world lol

gonna try to get back into it this season

[mellow umbra]

🙃

[trim island]

the homework and mental load for learning dungeon routes is a pretty big roadblock for new tankin

[granite vault]

Yeah found Quaz and gives a massive info.

[trim island]

I'm definitely slow to learn routes

[still crown]

Second Monitor with Threechest.io open

[trim island]

the maps help, but knowing where to run and stand and shit is what takes a lot

[trim island]

ty this is much better than the other site I was using

[granite vault]

damn nice. I got a little fear about starting to tank as I mained rogue for years and now coming back after 2 year break, but i start it slowly

tanking just feels something I think I would enjoy

[granite vault]

TY m8. Massive helpful hint!

[obtuse egret]

is prot still a top 2 DPS tank with the nerf?

[round pendant]

I look at keystone.guru routes til I come up with my own and then swap to threechest

[round pendant]

F tier trash now unfortunately

[shut summit]

on the higher end still yes

[trim island]

what do you guys reckon is the hardest dungeon to tank in S3?

I hate priory but I am both an idiot and not very experienced

[solid sun]

Roid says Streets

[rigid hull]

who can simplify execute usage for me

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cardboard-punch-silly-cat-silly-gif-8249771488252948329

[trim island]

hit execute to do damage

hope that helps

[stable pelican]

how do we fill about the prot nerfs to mountain thane?

[neon elk]

Best source of valorstones rn fellas ?

[frosty mango]

I dont think streets is the hardest to tank

But I do think it will be the hardest to time

IMO halls is the worst to actually tank

[dusky canopy]

Halls was the shit back in SL was a big fan

[frosty mango]

For a few reasons:

they added more casters that spam cast and the hound masters now just stand at range and shoot so gathering is irritating

You’re at the mercy of the healer to dispel the stacking damage taken debuff, and there’s also other dispels at the same time so you need to be very aware of your defensives because the healer may not be able to dispel you quickly

There’s tons of pathing mobs so ass pulls are common

It’s difficult to get trash into two of the bosses for funnel

Everything knocks back

There’s a ton of tough to see frontals

Oh and overlapping uncleansable mortal strikes

[dusky canopy]

The hound masters don’t group up anymore???

What in the actual

[frosty mango]

Streets I didn’t find hard as much as the timer was tight and there’s lots of running/rp so at higher key levels you will need to do some unorthodox shit

[frosty mango]

Nope they just stand at range shooting

[dusky canopy]

Bro blizzards obsession with making mobs not group up is so damn annoying 😂

[frosty mango]

I will move out of their range so they start moving in then converge the pack that way, or try to Los but there’s not really any good Los points in that place

[trim island]

the most yuck type of enemy

[frosty mango]

At the beginning of last season we had a long discussion in the hunter discord about what keys would end up being the hardest to time and I predicted top would be the worst because it would require you to do unorthodox stuff and it had a high reliance on single target

Everyone told me I was nuts and what dungeon had the lowest completion rate for s2

I think streets will be one of the hardest to time overall for similar reasons this season

[trim island]

you can't practice the tazavesh dungeons yet can you?

[frosty mango]

Negative

[trim island]

dang

with ranged shoot mobs, what's the actual strategy for them? hide behind a wall? or just try to tether them into a loose group

[elfin elk]

Bring a DK

[frosty mango]

I try to Los wherever possible (that’s just generally true as well) and if I can’t, get them as grouped as possible and hope your dps have brains

[elfin elk]

#gripsareadungeonbuff

[frosty mango]

Most dps classes have placement control tools they just don’t use them

[trim island]

doesn't seem likely

[frosty mango]

Bursting shot, high explosive trap, grips, ursols, typhoon, tstorm, blast wave, etc

[flat tundra]

what is the best loot spec for week one vault if youre crafting shield, fury?

[frosty mango]

I’ll be fury loot spec to fish for delve trinkets regardless but idk if you could really go wrong with prot or fury bc you’re mainly just looking for tier

[flat tundra]

makes sense

[trim island]

the ritual mud is one of the few mythic drops I've got so far. is it shit? or usable?

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=232543/ringing-ritual-mud

[fluid widget]

It’s good if you desperately want a defensive trinket

But theoretically you’d end up going for ceaseless ire and tome/pacemaker or something of that sort

[frosty mango]

It’s solid again this season if you are going to push higher keys, or push keys early. I wouldn’t recommend wearing it overall but for floodgate and priory it will be a very functional trinket

As gear scales while the season goes on it will become less useful at lower key levels

[trim island]

is it one I should bind to my avatar? or have it as a separate defensive cooldown

[frosty mango]

No you shouldn’t ever bind a defensive trinket to anything

You press it when you need it

Or alternatively when you can use it and know it will be up again when you need it

[fluid widget]

^

[trim island]

damn, thinking hard

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto was it you that posted that crest chart

the flow

[fluid widget]

Basically if you don’t have a shield wall charge or need it later

[still flame]

should i swap out my Tier set for nhigh item lvl stuff ?

[frosty mango]

No

[tribal wharf]

for real, cuz ppl always ask, i will come back when combination 2 of 3: #1 finish new pc, #2blizzard introduces "blizzard game recorder" (so like what steam does now), #3 beheading, impaling, amputations, swearing/cursing.

[still flame]

👌

[frosty mango]

Windows game bar does game recording

[tribal wharf]

nope, i want it by blizzard steam can do it

why cant blizzard

i dont wanna fuck with another program to MAYBE have it record right

doesnt have to compile the video as its being played like outplayed does

thats just insanity running wow, addons and then compilling video of it all live, like in a raid say

would kill your cpu

[trim island]

too busy stealing breastmilk to add any features

[frosty mango]

I got news for you, if you’re using windows it’s already running lol

[tribal wharf]

steam stores the files in, i guess its binaries, and then it can be stitched together and compiled and video exported

and so my point of that

is that, "tank bad" well wha the hell do you mean the tank did bad, you mean he died, why exactly did he die, i want to see it, i dont want to look at log

oh, here's the video from my end im the mage, and heres my video from my end, im the healer

and both of us now have video, like, made by the client that launches and runs the games

and we can all see infact, tank is bad

[rigid hull]

holy shit adding execution to rotation for thane makes it way more fun

[tribal wharf]

i am just all for accelerated progressivism

remaster and remake stuff that is or was good, find ways to improve it

[undone beacon]

So I wake up this morning and hear that we didn’t talk about prot being F tier enough cuz we caught a nerf

[trim island]

it helps that it hits like a bus too

[undone beacon]

Unfortunate but not unexpected

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-passed-out-cat-dead-cat-kitty-sleep-gif-17010657718878120348

[trim island]

let's discuss the important factors of prot. what button you got shield slam bound to?

I go with R cus it's a good satisfying button

[tribal wharf]

the only shield block i have been hitting as of late

[trim island]

r for shierld slarm

[tribal wharf]

actually, no i havent, because i havent gotten this far into heretic + hexen yet

not even my footage

[undone beacon]

I have it on 1, along with my revenge and execute and thunder clap and

One button rotation kings

[solid sun]

I learned that leaping can proc whirling blades

[fluid widget]

Q

R is thunderclap

[solid sun]

Several times I've used a little leapy in tazavesh while doing side quests and hit a critter

And it procs a whirling blade. Pretty funny

[tribal wharf]

i get confused and tripped up on games on nintendo or genesis with you know like 4 or 6 or less buttons

and then i got like 30 if i want to play non one button in wow

[trim island]

e is thunderclap, q is shield block for me

[tribal wharf]

• lag + have to socialize etc

[trim island]

thundEr clap, and shield bloQ

[tribal wharf]

also, i just fucking can't with this shit

i seen a few clips, and i already know i'll watch the series out of spite and then hate it forever

[fluid widget]

I’m trying to learn how to be a good warrior again and rebound shield block

After a season of laziness

[tribal wharf]

kind of how it happened with the original series but at least the original series is loveable in a family values kind of way

this new koth feels like it was made by bunch of 20 something millenal funko pop people

[rigid hull]

surely not too many exe casts

[glossy wind]

Can someone run a 5 mask with someone else?

without them having all unlocked

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[tribal wharf]

i never did a 5 mask in bfa

[warm plinth]

As long as one person has them, they can still turn them on

[tribal wharf]

never would if i was playing now

[glossy wind]

5 masks lets you purchase a wep

getting back into pve so its an upgrade

[warm plinth]

Yeah, free veteran 1/8 weapon (well, basically free)

[rigid hull]

GUys can i use embelishment on shield?

like the crit thingy

dawnthread lining

[undone beacon]

Yes

[remote tusk]

More like too few Shield Slacks.

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/boomshakalaka-gif-25687559

[remote tusk]

The wrists listed in the best-in-slot gear from Mythic+ on WoWhead is incorrect. It has a raid drop instead of the one from Priory.

[torn gulch]

I have shield slam on F6

[desert mural]

anyone in the PTR know how much of a loss was the tier set nerf?

[remote tusk]

Previously said around 7 to 8 percent on single-target.

[desert mural]

damn

[torn gulch]

it's a warranted nerf

[solid sun]

Nu uh

[next axle]

With the announced 30% nerf to ionizing strikes, will MT still be the play over Collossus?

[desert mural]

idk 30% sounds like a lot, MT has less defense compared to colossus as a trade-off

[solid sun]

No it doesn't

[frosty mango]

right foot pedal

[amber latch]

Ionizing strikes is only about 10% of your damage in keys, it works out to be a 3-4% nerf. idk what it is purely for ST in raid

[frosty mango]

it should be about 8% ST and 5-6% overall key but you never can tell how they tune things

ionizing strikes is a good chunk of your overall key damage but its not game breaking

we should still be fine

probably still the highest dps tank or on par with the other top contenders

[jagged gust]

Stage 1, denial

[dapper ocean]

[prime maple]

So for Thane it's shield slam, clap and execute as much as possible ? Or revenge if 6+ targets?

[leaden shard]

revenge for those shield slam resets

[desert mural]

At least its not like they're taking away Thunder Blast, as long as i can get my dopamine addicted brain some claps im happy

[keen star]

press glowing buttons = dopamine

and thunder blast's icon is sick

[leaden shard]

thunderblast getting resets is all i ever wanted for prot, even if it was just thunderclap in general

make prot have 100 apm

[keen star]

it's not a reset but you just get a free stack no

I mean not a cooldown reset

[mellow bridge]

in aoe you only exe if you got aoe exe skilled/want to focus a prio target down

[prime maple]

Ah it's if you take the exe hits two extra targets in an offensive cleave/m+ build got it

[mellow bridge]

yeah

without them exe is worth until 2t iirc and at 3 you'd do revenge

[prime maple]

Thank you. I picked up prot warrior in season two cause my guild has an issue recruiting warriors and have just feely crafted playing it to CE but that was all colossus so just trying to get ahead of how I need to play it this season

[frosty mango]

Are you sure

Even with a full 10’stack execute hits very hard, I think you’d prob prio revenge later than 3

[blazing zinc]

Hello, would you use 681 ring with vers + mastery or just craft 675 ring with haste crit instead? Same question about vers + crit neck. (for m+)
Any advice much appreciated!

[jagged gust]

[blazing zinc]

I'm bad at simming so wondering if someone already figured it out

[frigid valley]

figured out what exactly? your character we've never seen, know the stats of or what gear you have availble?

[jagged gust]

#protection message

[frosty mango]

its a wierd situation for colossus because of colossal might stacks but I think its probably not 3

[trim delta]

Do we wait until new 4pc to swap tier, even if playing colossus in raid? I know we do with MT, but wasn’t sure if 2pc 2pc was the way for Colossus

[jagged gust]

[mint gorge]

Do we have to manually list the two dungeons that aren't showing up as options in lfg?

[frosty mango]

Tazavesh?

[mint gorge]

Yea

[frosty mango]

Not open this week

[mint gorge]

Oh not even for m0?

Interesting

[frosty mango]

taz m0 is hardmode only so it opens with m+

[glossy wind]

Smh lol

[mellow bridge]

wowhead says that 🤷

that's for colossus

[jagged gust]

#protection message

[mellow bridge]

yes

that's for aoe exe

we're talking about no aoe exe

[jagged gust]

are we?

[mellow bridge]

"them" is the aoe exe talents

I think I do know about which talents I am talking about, yes

[jagged gust]

so spicy

[solid sun]

What if you take execute talents

except the aoe execute

Then what do we do

Riddle me that, Batman

[jagged gust]

drop on the floor

do the dinosaur

[strong forum]

you still dont use execute on more than 2

cuz at 3 you hit reverb breakpoint

for revenge and tc

unless OFC you need to prio

then you prio regardless of target count if the big thing has to die

[solid sun]

When brew does the shado-pan flurry strikes the mob evaporates @frosty mango

But someone in here was saying MoH might actually do more damage with the set this season

That’s spooky

[frosty mango]

I played a bit of both last night

I actually prefer MOH because I like double celestial

helps with stomps and you can just full send special delivery into packs if you need to when dps get a little too wild

but I am def not brewmastermaster

[neon elk]

Eu fellas whats the fastest delve today?

[frosty mango]

interesting, I figured it would play into it but thought it would be more than 2 before it broke even

[strong forum]

3 is a significantly big breakpoint

cuz execute gains nothing but revenge and tc/tb gain 1.3x

and revenge being just cheaper

for colossus technically even steeper

cuz colossal might

[frosty mango]

not really a major issue this tier bc thane anyway

you dont really have to make the same choice as thane bc no colossal might so theres not really a choice of do I revenge or do I execute - which is what I was saying on the PTR, I didn't like how it felt

because if you took execute talents as colo you always feel like you need to choose b/t revenge and execute

theres obviously always a correct choice but from a play feel perspective it doesnt feel good to have 4 talents aligned to one button and it be the wrong button to press

thane doesnt really have that problem you just unga bunga

[frigid valley]

think my belt has gone haywire

[frosty mango]

If they all proc at once you’ll be a gamer god

[high latch]

That can happen if you've transferred your character. And it means none of the effects are selected.

[frigid valley]

it is tho

[high latch]

Just a graphical glitch then? Was Crit Overload your chosen effect before transfer?

[frigid valley]

idk, probably, havent touched that shit for ages

[lunar flare]

Classic players will see this screenshot and be like “look how complex retail is!”

[frosty mango]

Every time I have some classic gamer come back to retail that hasn’t played in multiple years it ends the same way

Pure classic gamers refuse to admit retail is just a better long term experience lol

[south goblet]

is there a world where its ever worth takign tough as nails now with its icd removed?

[mellow bridge]

doubt

[oblique quarry]

It would be great if they let leveling feel like classic and late game feel like retail

[lusty grotto]

people dont play retail for the leveling

so i dont think that'd be a good idea

if you mean classic leveling is better

or "classic" style leveling

[vivid orchid]

having leveled enough characters over decades with the old leveling, no thanks

[lusty grotto]

yeah

id rather people get up there fast

[vivid orchid]

~mop is acceptable as you have a ton of power while leveling but still

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

we dont dungeon slice, pure st is 7%, aoe (5t and 8t) is 7%

ghash, naguura has the same thing on her video

thats the one shared with raid lead doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vShLvYM5PS68ZdEMG9lcNwoa3GGycjaI5tELGtWoRbd545S99_o80LAeDTGB84ye6k_O0wUKdvZtsVI/pub

[brazen heath]

hey, guys... did anything changed from the last season to this first week? I mean the talents... what hero talent are you using?! I can only find things from season 2

[vivid orchid]

anecdotally tough as nails seems like 150k-200k dps on 7 melee targets at 684ilvl

[lusty grotto]

wowhead and icyveins have been updated since tuesday

[fluid widget]

Many of the talents in the prot tree

[south goblet]

so maybe if we get to like 10 target melee pulls it will be worth. Also might be worth it later is the season when we naturally have more mastery to feed into the crit block effect

[lusty grotto]

no

[vivid orchid]

the problem is the opportunity cost with that talent point

[prime sphinx]

It's 3 talent points tho

[vivid orchid]

even in keys as MT that 1 point is rough

[south goblet]

yea it would mean dropping 1 execute point probs

[vivid orchid]

and yeah you cant even begin to entertain the thought as colossus

[solid sun]

Does it still break your shield

I remember someone testing it on PTR and their shield kept breaking halfway through a dungeon lol

[vivid orchid]

doesnt seem any more damaged than my other stuff

[south goblet]

ngl i dont like this new prot tree. It somehow feels like we have less options than before

[blazing ridge]

pumping my first crests into Tome and Shield

[rigid hull]

isnt it odd icyveins and wowhead have diffrent prio lists

at least for arms

maybe some for prot too

spell prio *

[lusty grotto]

no its not odd at all

but iirc Archi manages both icyveins and wowhead for arms so it should be similar

[polar pelican]

How big is the prot nerf

Irrelevant?

[lusty grotto]

7%

[polar pelican]

So similar to last seasons nerf at start

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[solid sun]

I need Nish to update his suite I think

Who does Nish like a lot that can convince him to do it

[glossy wind]

Mop is lame af lol

spent 3 days 8 hours and 30 minutes getting max on it

[dawn imp]

dunno guys, i might have too much mastery. cant really tell

[blazing shuttle]

Not enough.

[lusty grotto]

you dont

mastery scaling is very linear

easy to get up

[dawn imp]

thats not what she said

https://tenor.com/view/pepsico-bubly-bubly-gif-11191452

[neon elk]

Am i misunderstanding the cloak tooltip or is it kinda weak?

[jagged gust]

its a free IP every now and then

[hardy snow]

what was the item that was doing "squick" or something like that and wlogs erronously counted it into CPS when it was macro'ed with skills?

[jagged gust]

squeaky bat

[hardy snow]

thanks

[jagged gust]

Also I can't remember their names but you can macro in those MoP back effect toys

Strength of Niuzhao, fury of xuen

they share a cd of 8ish sec but also help fudge the numbers

[gritty oriole]

So thane=more damage colossus=more survivability atm?

[frosty mango]

One does not have more survivability than the other in any meaningful way

Until you get new tier, colossus is more damage

Thane once you get new tier

[gritty oriole]

I heard u get the deep wound healing talent etc as colossus but not getting it as thane

That’s why i asked

Thanks

[young galleon]

crafting is good for filling spots i understand. But should i craft with sparks from season 2 if i have spares and go for purple or without sparks and craft a blue? whats the difference?

[heavy sparrow]

What you rolling as in mop? I'm a fresh 80 in mop

[glossy wind]

I'm ele

[lusty grotto]

thats correct, self-healing for us isnt considered survivability or defensiveness since we're a mitigation tank

[ocean valley]

with the mountain thane nerf yall think itll be demo for raid?

[shut summit]

no

[undone beacon]

Thane nerd brings it in line with other tanks, doesn’t invalidate it

[frigid plume]

thane nerf just brings it close to sanlayn and those two are still 10-15% better than everything else on one target

[lofty warren]

What in the fuck is this

[lusty grotto]

a 7% overall nerf

[lofty warren]

So is it mt dead?

[lusty grotto]

nope

still the hero talent we'll go for

with 4pc

[lofty warren]

It's only a fps nerf and not defensive due nerf?

[lusty grotto]

a dps nerf, yes

[lofty warren]

Defensive value*

7% in st and aoe ?

[lusty grotto]

both

[lofty warren]

Omg

[lusty grotto]

we're still a top dps tank

even with the nerf

[lofty warren]

Pwar still in about the highest tier for m+ tanks right?

Only did stuff this week on pwar

Like along vdh and brew

[lusty grotto]

correct

[toxic pewter]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2lrdf.gif

[warm plinth]

ty qtpie

[azure crag]

is it worth it to just, off the rip next week, craft a shield immediately with a gilded crest?

[lusty grotto]

if you dont raid myth

sure

[azure crag]

I definitely do not raid mythic

[toxic pewter]

I’m just doing that to be honest

I’m tired of like leaving it up to luck. Like even if I kill myth boss still gotta win it. Also tired of leaving it up to vault

[lusty grotto]

youre not leaving it to luck you can still craft after the kill

[toxic pewter]

I don’t know if I understand what you mean

I mean yeah I’ll kill bosses first in the given week before crafting I guess yeah

[lusty grotto]

it depends on everyone's individual raiding situation

im just saying that if you have a guaranteed shot at killing 2nd boss, and a guaranteed way to get the shield meaning youre prio via loot council, then you'd def not want to craft it until you see if it drops or not

[toxic pewter]

Oh right ya

[lusty grotto]

but its a good craft anyway

[fluid widget]

nope its dead

you'll have to reroll 🙁

[hardy snow]

is there spreadsheet with sims for 4p->2p/2p->4p that were done in previouse tiers for the specs? I don't remember name of the author :v

[nocturne spindle]

hardmore dungeon also has a shield in the loot table

so another myth chance

[solid sun]

I just think with all the m+, N, and H bosses happening week 1 with a possibility of looting a myth track shield the next Tuesday, there's no harm in waiting

[lusty grotto]

if you want to push hard and fast, there's no harm in just crafting it

[lofty warren]

Is this confirmed

[lusty grotto]

lol

[dreamy girder]

I've been looking and cant seem to find the best time to drop tier. till going with ilvl? or at what point is ilvl better then set bonus?

[lusty grotto]

you drop tier when you get 4pc

thats it

if your s2 tier is anything less than hero/myth tracks, you can sim if you want to

[dreamy girder]

❤️ Thanx! Waiting for 4pc it is!

[lusty grotto]

in fact, just to make sure, sim anything less than myth track

cause im sure hero tracks will fall behind heavily

[dreamy girder]

Will do! When in doubt sim it out!

[warm plinth]

When you do sim, make sure to do so based on your haste though. If you currently use ItF but your haste rating is not at least ~19k, you should sim with Heavy Repercussions on the higher ilevel build (the one that loses S2 tier)

[fluid widget]

yeah we're worse than bear now

gonna be another DH season

[lusty grotto]

make sure you read what @warm plinth said

dropping s2 tier means youll need more haste for ITF uptime

ITF SB uptime

[dreamy girder]

Sweet thanx you both for all the help! trying to push my tank more this season!

[frosty mango]

Maybe in raid

Def not in keys

And even in raid it would be a negligible amount

[lusty grotto]

hes memeing roid

[fluid widget]

^

specifically the meta chaser who's not reading any guides or pins

[frosty mango]

Got me

We need more memeing

Our memeing got brews nerfed

Now we gotta target dh

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[lusty grotto]

[heavy sparrow]

Sword and shield is all you need

[jagged gust]

leopard print shield but no leopard print thong?

[lone hemlock]

Hey so I'm a long time tank but a new prot warrior. I'm just starting the gear up phase and trying to figure out the haste breakpoints. With shield block, it has a 9 second duration but a 12-13 second cooldown. Am I supposed to work my way towards a 100% uptime of shield block?

[jagged gust]

Yes but it a talent choice thing

If you hit the haste requirement you can run into the fray, if you don't you swap the talent to heavy repercussions

in combination with all the other talents that affect shield block

[lusty grotto]

you dont need to worry about breakpoints

like will said

you want 16k MINIMUM to play Into The Fray, otherwise you play Heavy Repercussions

those numbers will change to 19-20k rating minimum if you dont have season 2 tier

thats it

25k-ish is when you wanna do other stats, but simming is easier

20k-ish if you have season 2 tier

[lone hemlock]

Yeah I do not have any embellishments nor any previous tier, so I guess I should be taking off Into The Fray. I was curious about that talent choice as I saw all the guides suggested it but it seemed like a rough choice given my shield block recharge.

[lusty grotto]

embelishments dont factor into haste rating talk

or shield block uptime

the talents point suggest it because they are made for late game

[tribal wharf]

does the game actively show you who is 1 buttoning icon on head or similiar that isnt lower dps

[lusty grotto]

no

that would be toxic

[tribal wharf]

and can all 3 do it and nobody cares

[lusty grotto]

tanks cant

[lone hemlock]

This is my current build that I pulled from WoWhead, and just swapped Into the Fray. I have 16,219 Haste at ilvl 668 with no enchants or gems.

[lusty grotto]

well they can but it doesnt manage defensives so people probably drop dead

[tribal wharf]

healer tank dps cuz sounds like you do all the long cds manually

[lusty grotto]

thats the only change you would need to make if below 16k haste rating

so youre good

nah healers cant yogi

[warm plinth]

If you're just starting gearing, you should probably have Heavy Repercussions

[lone hemlock]

Thank you very much, I'll see how this feels now!

[lusty grotto]

only dps really

[warm plinth]

Since I assume that means you have no season 2 tier

[lone hemlock]

Correct, no tier at all.

[warm plinth]

not sure if I misunderstood but sounded like you meant you swapped TO ItF

[tribal wharf]

i dunno how it would be toxic show who is 1 button or not, unless he beats your dps every single time

[warm plinth]

If so, you should not

[lone hemlock]

No no, I swapped FROM ItF haha

[tribal wharf]

unless it realpy brings the floor up

[runic granite]

No but I imagine a quick logs analysis would show the extra long GCD

[jagged gust]

APM is usually a dead giveaway

[cerulean tusk]

My hands are old, dont mock my lower apm for being one button gameplay

It will happen to you

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/jazz-emu-i-would-rather-die-gif-16730189479335751779

[restive oak]

our st raid build still gonna be collos until we get new tier, right?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[safe mango]

What would people consider the most defensive talent set up possible?

[lusty grotto]

theres no such thing

[restive oak]

all the defensive talents

[jagged gust]

prolly the m+ push build

[restive oak]

have battle scarred vet

[safe mango]

Push build plus heavy repercussions maybe?
Just interested as I'm not super confident tanking and want to make sure I'm not going to die if at all possible

[lusty grotto]

no

you play heavy rep when you dont meet the haste rating requirements

talents will not help you survive

they are not that impactful

[restive oak]

bsv is the best talent to live if you were gonna die, thats about it

[safe mango]

Even to guarantee to not drop sb?

[lusty grotto]

its very hard for you to drop SB

[restive oak]

with proper haste levels you shouldnt come near to dropping it anyway

[lusty grotto]

its easier to fail if you dont meet the requirements, which i posted above

but if you meet them and have the appropriate talents, you basically would have to not press and/or track SB

[solid sun]

Were y'all saying to sim hero track 4pc

[lusty grotto]

the best way to not fuck up is to run content and practice

[restive oak]

make sure your facing the mobs and dont drop sb and you pretty gucci

[lusty grotto]

and then you can go over the run in logs and see where you can improve

[frosty mango]

You see here’s the fun part. It doesn’t matter what talents you play because those things aren’t what keep you alive

[potent anvil]

I have 24% move speed, I'm ready to run into mobs.

[frosty mango]

Pressing your defensives when needed, facing mobs properly, not standing in things - that’s what keeps you alive. Playing all defensive talents would have a negligible impact on your survivability without understanding how to use them effectively

[frosty mango]

This is the way

[cerulean tusk]

[restive oak]

yeah, you just have to practice

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

we gettin deswind pwar content this season?

[potent anvil]

Yeah, leaning that way. Vibe season for me, so probably just tanking for keys.

[warm plinth]

awww yiss

[solid sun]

I can't wait for next week

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-schrute-i-am-fast-snake-mongoose-panther-rainn-wilson-gif-25505022

[jagged gust]

I am incredibly jealous

I'm taking every speed test I come across this season

[potent anvil]

Movement speed is bis stat

[jagged gust]

Fuck sims, all vibes

Also welcome to the winning team des

[potent anvil]

[frosty mango]

Just to catch you up

Things we like:
smoked meat
Houseplants
Big dam

Things we don’t like
Yoda people who watch yoda
Tier lists

[lusty grotto]

not yoda

[potent anvil]

[lusty grotto]

people who talk about yoda videos or tier lists

or more specifically, ask questions abou tthem

[frosty mango]

Also demon hunters

Brews got removed from the list

[solid sun]

Listen if a DotC bear beats me in raid

They're added to the list

[frosty mango]

If you see quesadillas he’s comin for you

[solid sun]

Gonna stuff Quesadillas in a locker

[frosty mango]

Quesadillas had huge parses, big dam

We are bear bros

Bears and brews are bros

[warm plinth]

Quesadillas are delicioso

[pallid quiver]

ur delicioso

[solid sun]

My druid was named Steakfajitas

I'm glad we're foodbros

[warm plinth]

nou

[pallid quiver]

nuh-uh

[upper ice]

Cleaving executes is my ultimate warrior fantasy. I've become one of you

[solid sun]

How do you feel about smoked meats

[warm plinth]

🙂

[upper ice]

Smoked meats are best when applied to tortillas with onions and cheese

[fluid widget]

honestly DH needs a bit of a buff, its damage is pretty low compared to us and BRM

[jagged gust]

Just give 'em another charge of their sigils as compensation

They earned it

[next pasture]

where is the tome custom apl sim bit? no longer pinned or am i blind

[warm plinth]

It's no longer needed

It's in the APL now

[next pasture]

sick

[shrewd grove]

Wait, so we got off with a slap on the wrist nerf?? Is this real chat?

[warm plinth]

I mean it's probably like 7% which is significant. But it's not as bad as it could've been

[shrewd grove]

I thought the math ended up being 2-3%. Still not that bad!

I was expecting worse

[jagged gust]

nah at least 7%, or double that depending on how the nerf is applied

not sure if that was figured out yet

ST

[shrewd grove]

Ah crap. Well hopefully it's just the 7%. Thats still alright. 14% would be wild

[jagged gust]

My big question is when did the sims start prioritizing revenge over TC?

[sharp gale]

1 year

[narrow glacier]

is the ring from demensius going to be bis for tanks over dps yall think? im not sure how often it procs if its a huge defense or not

[jagged gust]

Well it has 8k haste on it

which makes it pretty good

The proc itself is quite worthless

[rigid schooner]

i was trying to find where ionizing strikes was on the tree. What is it affecting again?

[silk kiln]

Ionizing strikes is the tier set

[rigid schooner]

oh fair enough tyvm

[ebon cape]

Does rend automatically apply in a certain variation of our spec?

Ya im confused my buddy who doesn’t have rend on their bar has rend dot dmg as second highest overall.

[quaint zodiac]

Rend has basically been on TC for ages

Blood and Thunder?

[ebon cape]

Does thunderclap “spread” rend?

[ebon cape]

Ya idk what that means

[quaint zodiac]

It did it that way like 10y ago, now it just applies to 5 target per TC if rend is talented

Nvm, isn't even a specific talent anymore. Baked into baseline TC (sorry, been playing 2 version of warrior for a while lol)

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=6343/thunder-clap

[mighty valley]

tldr yes if you have rend talented, thunderclap spreads it

we never need to press rend

but we do need to put a point in the talent

[ebon cape]

So you “have to” apply rend before you thunderclap?

[mighty valley]

no

[viscid plume]

No, Rend will auto apply when you press TC

[mighty valley]

yeah I guess “spread” is a misleading word

TC just applies it to five targets that don’t have it yet

you never ever ever need to press rend or have it on your bars

just have a point in the talent and you’re good

HOWEVER

having rend as your second highest source of damage is fucking weird

[prime sphinx]

He'd have to be pressing almost no buttons for that to happen ask him if he's afk

[waxen cradle]

maybe they were afk watching a Yoda video

though that's strike 1 to get kicked out of the warrior club

[rigid hull]

is the simulation going to be fixed with execution?

it littrealy doenst cast it

[lusty grotto]

its 7% for any target count

@jagged gust

just so you're aware as well

[dapper fossil]

for any target count??

[jagged pier]

[rigid hull]

THANks broski

[fossil gust]

are we using now mountain or still colossus?

[shy bramble]

From what I've read, MT only really pops off with S3 4pc. I'm still playing MT tho, to learn the spec and to feel the difference from getting 4pc. Sandbagging ftw!

[trim island]

gotta line up those enormous demolishes while it's still decent

[tawdry dirge]

After latest mt nerfs is it still ahead of colos?

Guess during progress we still fine with colossus

[safe mango]

Dumb question but I've always struggled with it having them accessible amongst the rest of the key binds. What do people use for binds for shield block and ignore pain?

[prime sphinx]

thumb buttons on my mouse

[remote tusk]

Shift 1 Shift 2

[prime maple]

Scroll wheel up and down

[lime urchin]

Excuse me the only correct answer is shield block on R and ignore pain on A

[safe mango]

With the scroll wheel, how do you set it up?
I like being able to adjust the zoom and I already have shift scroll wheel set to pot and health stone

[crude spoke]

Ctrl + scroll for zooming others for binds

[prime maple]

I don't change my zoom ever but zoom binds are on like home and the button next to it above arrow keys

[lunar flare]

how are you strafing if you have something bound to A?

Q/E?

[tulip surge]

I have shield block on 3 and ignore pain on shift+1

[silent sparrow]

I'm gonna assume an EU keyboard where q and a are switched for that guy

Also shield block on A and ignore pain on E

[rotund wolf]

Do I just wait for shield slam to recharge if I have outburst and thunderclap, not blast ready?

also assuming I have no rage to spend

[rigid hull]

so why icy veins prios thunderblast over SS

they are just wrong?

[frigid valley]

TB over ss on 2+ target with outburst as thane, never as colo

iirc

[lime urchin]

Yessir

[warm plinth]

You have ignore pain on a mod?

[tulip surge]

A mod ?

[warm plinth]

Shift/alt/ctrl

[tulip surge]

Oh yeah

[warm plinth]

Feels like you're gonna get carpal tunnel lol

[frigid valley]

Ip on mousesidebutton is amazing since it doesnt hinder you from pressing gcd abilities on keyboard

[frosty mango]

My ip is on a mouse button

The g502 side top side button

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/how-high-high-i-need-money-gif-7991757043106192221

[warm plinth]

Only the 502 could possibly have a description that confusing

[frosty mango]

Well it’s the greatest mouse of all time (gMOAT)

[warm plinth]

Eh, to each their own. I hate it personally

[frosty mango]

So everyone knows what I mean even with my crappy description

[warm plinth]

Man that reminds me lol

[frosty mango]

That’s ok, you are allowed your opinion on the g502

Even if it’s wrong

[warm plinth]

I saw an ad for this mouse the other day and they were talking about having a ton of buttons "ergonomically placed" and the demo guy's hand looked like it was trying to tag out by the time he finished trying to demonstrate them

[frosty mango]

When they bury me, they’ll bury me with the 40 g502s they find in my closet

[warm plinth]

It had these weird ass trigger buttons on the top and he could barely press them

[frosty mango]

Oh man was it the cybertron mouse?

[warm plinth]

At least your favorite mouse got a remake.

Mine is just dead

Nah it was switchsomething iirc

[frosty mango]

It’s like a glove and you sit your hand in it

And it’s got like buttons on the top and below and stuff?

[warm plinth]

Oh, no ive seen that thing though. What a joke

[frosty mango]

https://www.swiftpoint.com/products/gaming-mice-swiftpoint-z2?srsltid=AfmBOoppVlkN2wWmjswHpnZFF5Qxvw5s05kjReKILeTi6BVNL0WNh5GC

[lunar flare]

G703 gang

[frosty mango]

This one looked interesting to me until I saw it in person and realized it’s the size of a small car

[warm plinth]

That's the one!

[frosty mango]

Yeah when I saw it in person it was like weirdly huge

And I have massive hands so for me to say it’s too big is really wild

[warm plinth]

I could see the poor demo guy's hand trying to tap out when he tried to press those back triggers

His hand must have been massive though because it didn't look that big in the video lol

I wanna know why they think we need those weird wings on the side of mice though

[frosty mango]

For stability

Otherwise the mouse would rock when you roll your hand to hit the buttons

[obtuse egret]

So with masterwork stack, sacred weapon would be on three people? The person I cast it on, me through the talent and then a lesser version on another ally?

[round pendant]

mx518 my beloved

[rigid hull]

ye but icyveins doesnt say that

icyveins says blast is always prio

its just odd

[jagged pier]

because icyveins and wowhead are for a starting point

not a minmax like that

[trim island]

so where can I find the minmax things?

[jagged pier]

here mostly

[trim island]

does it get written up everywhere?

[jagged pier]

noper

[trim island]

or do I have to filter for scraps of knowledge like an anemone filtering for particles of food

[frosty mango]

Yes, precisely

[trim island]

anyone got any good morsels to chuck my way they can immediately think of

[frosty mango]

“One doesn’t not need the knowledge if one does not seek the knowledge”

Wrap your brain round that one

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/sped-cube-gif-3640796934732154156

[trim island]

well, it is a double negative so you're saying one DOES need the knowledge if they don't seek it

[frigid valley]

i aint scared of no ghost

[strong forum]

define minmax things

like for parsing?

[trim island]

nah, I'm only really interested in m+

I'd like to push high keys but I'm absolutely nowhere near that stage

[strong forum]

that stuff grows naturally over the course of the season

there arent really min max things to do besides routing

especially for tanks

all the min-maxy stuff you can do specifically on your class you kinda figure out on your own once you learn the spec itself more

[trim island]

yeah, I've only recently got back into wow and the homework for routing and knowing where to stand is the hard part for me currently

[strong forum]

yeah thats something that only experience brings

[strong forum]

you cant really take a course for that as you have to be comfortable in pressing buttons that you can then free up brain power

[trim island]

honestly the buttons part of prot is pretty cruisy, that part all makes sense

[idle copper]

I've just switched from G502 to Swift Z2 - it's worth a look

[solid sun]

The guide gets you to where you can succeed pretty much anywhere, but as you pay attention to this discord you start to pick up new nuggets of blissful huge number generation

Or sometimes nuggets of how to not die or be miserable

[trim island]

I got a 9m demolish hit the other day and that got me pretty rock solid

[round pendant]

HUH

[solid sun]

Like when there’s a particularly annoying pull in a dungeon and you’re struggling to figure out how to gather it without dying, someone here has you covered

[warm plinth]

"Git gud"

[round pendant]

If routing is scawy just look at keystone.guru for somewhere to start

[solid sun]

I disagree

Press W

[round pendant]

then when you wanna push high keys watch Sense or someone

[solid sun]

Press W and you start to figure out what sucks

[frosty mango]

Another season of dailcrying to be sure

[solid sun]

Its gonna be fun

Also this place is good for checking your handle of reality

Is a sword icon bitching about your route?

That’s real unfortunate for them

[frigid valley]

these are nice too

[round pendant]

I mean yeah but the context is being uncertain

If you follow someone's basic route as a skeleton it can help ease that uncertainty

[round pendant]

I create my own reality

It's never my fault, always someone elses

[rigid hull]

Could u tell whats the min max damage on 15 targets @strong forum

[trim island]

it's mostly dealing with gathering in ranged enemies i find difficulty with

[rigid hull]

like spell prio

[round pendant]

Any specific example?

[warm plinth]

Ranged enemies you either line of sight or you pull non-ranged to ranged

[frosty mango]

You Los or you pull non casters to casters. At some point the dps need to do their job

If there’s a caster out in Africa it’s their job to kick/control it credit to coloblindguy1998

[warm plinth]

BRB suing Roidberg for plagiarism

[solid sun]

Make sure they have their passports

[frosty mango]

I read too slow

[solid sun]

Because they may have to travel to Africa

[warm plinth]

Very important

[frosty mango]

There I fixed it

[warm plinth]

Waoooowwww

[frosty mango]

If it’s a ranged dps good chance they’re already there, those guys hate taking flights to melee

[solid sun]

It’s true

[warm plinth]

Roidberg we got our wish for a thane season. How do you feel? holds out mic

[solid sun]

Are y’all excited about the Tetris boss

[frosty mango]

Uh, good?

https://tenor.com/view/chris-tucker-unbelievable-fifthelement-gif-12449389

I’m excited to heal prog in the new mistweaver meta at 159 cpm

[warm plinth]

Pretty mild reaction for an enthusiast ngl

[frosty mango]

My fingers will be too bloody to play prot day one

[warm plinth]

Mistweaver? We play woyer here

[frosty mango]

But I will be there doing it

[frosty mango]

They never let me tank raid

I pull threat too much

[warm plinth]

Victim of your own success

[frosty mango]

I know right

I used my Druid in the alt run until it got geared then we came full circle

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-thinking-looking-what-do-you-want-gif-3598499330704574829

[fluid widget]

Warrior cd bursting just always yanks it back

[frosty mango]

No that’s specifically a problem you have with bad or under geared co tanks

[warm plinth]

Maybe I do healer alt this season

[frosty mango]

Aye it’s a rollburg raid season

[warm plinth]

Yeah ripping threat is LITERALLY always a co-tank problem

[frosty mango]

And a Roidburg key season

[fluid widget]

I had that issue on pull

After it wasn’t a problem

Unless they were undergeared

I’d just do my 5 sunders before blowing CDs

[frosty mango]

Even undergeared it’s generally not a problem

The other tank can taunt twice to prolong the bonus threat buff

[fluid widget]

Welp I guess they didn’t do that 🙁

[solid sun]

I have this fun little situation where during raid I pull off my co-tank and they always tell me I'm taunting and I need to learn the taunt swaps

[frosty mango]

We still need shirk

Give us shirk

[solid sun]

And then when they swap to ret paladin to do dungeons with me they always start divine storming right off the rip while I'm still gathering and tell me I need to get aggro faster

"Pugs are faster than you"

:)

My co-tank situation fills me with happiness

[frosty mango]

Just intervene them every pull

And I warn them at the start of the dungeon that warriors don’t have 360 aoe as colossus so if you go foaming at the mouth spamming wake and storm while I gather you’re gonna die and I’m gonna laugh at you

[wet lichen]

should we craft weapon and shield straight aways or is there a better alternative ?

[frosty mango]

If you raid mythic and there’s a good chance you get myth shield quickly, weapon may be a better play.

If not then crafting a mythic ilvl shield will usually always be the play

[wet lichen]

I won't be doing raid, only m+

myb just clear normal and probably heroic later in the season

[slender bison]

Shield drops are rare, and the shield stats aren't great, so wait for a vault week 3 or craft

[wet lichen]

good, just wanted to check if there are any OP weapons that can drop from m+ or raid but ok, crafting it is then

[rough egret]

Im gonna give it 2 season 3 vaults and then ill craft

[slender bison]

I got week 12 vault with shield, others week 2, so craft is still currently OP

Also, all DPS will craft 720 if you get bad luck on weapons, craft, else you lose agro

[frosty mango]

I’ll craft shield immediately as soon as I get the crests bc I’m aiming for 10-12s week 1

[wet lichen]

true that

[rough egret]

Gettin to 12s is goal to get rid of the annoying affix

[solid sun]

Roid are you healing my 10s

[wet lichen]

another thing, u guys all playing execute build or more defensively with the 5% stamina talent and the magic dmg red. build ?

[frosty mango]

I dunno if I’m online sure

[tribal wharf]

its me

[solid sun]

I can stay up late one night after the kiddo goes to bed and hit some keys

[slender bison]

Also, 2h need 2 sparks, so you're not gonna get craft 720 until week4, but some DPS can get 724 from vault week 3 ...

[solid sun]

I’m running execute build

[frosty mango]

I’m a night owl so unless it’s Tuesday/thursday I don’t get on until like 1am est

[solid sun]

Probably gonna run execute build until 10s

[frosty mango]

Execute build is the build for all keys /s

[rough egret]

Theoretically you can craft 2h next week

[frosty mango]

Why else would we have a healer

[wet lichen]

not getting many procs or just my rng bad

wbu guys ?

[solid sun]

I think if I get to 12s pretty early I might swap

[slender bison]

Where's 2nd spark?

[solid sun]

That’s 12 here and I’m usually up

[rough egret]

Half you get naturally next week and one you can buy with merit tokens? Or its not possible?

[frosty mango]

Pretty sure if you buy a fragment with tokens next week you can craft weap yeah?

[slender bison]

Sparks are time gated AFAIK

[rough egret]

Half/week

[frosty mango]

Is it every week or every other. I think @rough egret is right unless it’s not on the vendor?

[rough egret]

Maybe im wrong

[slender bison]

Yes, so no earlier than week 3

[frosty mango]

We have 1 spark now
We take half from vault
We get half from quest

2 sparks week 2

No?

[slender bison]

Spark from vault? Huh?

[rough egret]

Merit tokens

Same as you get socket

[solid sun]

You know, I’ve never thought about it. Everyone is always taking items from vault week 1 I’ve never thought about taking coins and buying half a spark

[slender bison]

Lmao, but you're missing out on hero track

Or even better, delve can drop hero tier set

[solid sun]

Yeah but crafting a myth track equivalent 2h is a pretty huge upgrade

[rough egret]

Im not telling its the best way, im telling its possible to craft 2h week1 of season

[frosty mango]

Almost positive mythic ilvl weaps would be a much bigger upgrade unless you’re getting 4pc week one guaranteed

[slender bison]

Spark this week + 90 gilded + hero set/bis (casino may apply) from vault sounds much better

[old flame]

I would sac one vault for a 2h but nothing else really

[frosty mango]

Because most classes won’t swap until 4pc so for early prog getting those weapons would be huge

[old flame]

Big numbers early is good for the dopamine soul

[slender bison]

Yes, but we're not DPS, so 1 spark + hero/trinket is much better

[rough egret]

Rwf guilds will probably do that too 😄

Get 720 weaps

And fill rest from HC

[solid sun]

We can’t do that for main hand and off hand can we

Because you don’t have enough crests

Or am I dumb

[rough egret]

Need 60 iirc so no

[slender bison]

All DPS will come with 720 week 3, so you need a decent weapon by then or you'll have a bad time if you still have your 681/684

[rough egret]

But 2nd week you can deck 720 weap+shield

[slender bison]

How?

You don't have crests

[rough egret]

2nd week of season

[mellow bridge]

@strong forum is wrecking throw smth we're actually supposed to press in ST now

[frosty mango]

Week 2 you could

[slender bison]

Ok so week 3

I was counting this too

[frosty mango]

Only for my/oh

Oh yea I was talking bout dps

[rough egret]

Im not counting this one so yeah 🙂 we now synced :🤣

[slender bison]

Yes, but I was counting since you also have vault next week based on it.

[neon elk]

Does the vault spark bypass weekly cap tho?

[rough egret]

Next week vault is tier or tokens

[slender bison]

Good question, it's the first season when we have spark in currency tab

Capped

Wonder if it's 2/3 next week

[round pendant]

Have you tried telling them they're dogshit at the game?

I have zero patience for people who are so blatantly wrong like that

only time I get toxic fr

[slender bison]

I honestly dont think Blizz wants DPS to have 720 weap week 1 of season, so it might be capped to 3

Also the guy doesnt sell sparks. To check next reset

I think they added sparks in S2 after turbo boost? For catchup?

Same as valorstone warband

[solid sun]

We’ve had words before

[neon elk]

Not sure when they added it but i would assume it doesnt bypass weekly cap , and only serve as cath up ( which is honestly kinda weird imho)

[rough egret]

We will see on reset i guess

Might be another surprise 🙂

[blazing shuttle]

I'm taking the wrist slot personally;

[round pendant]

have em show up here and we can all bully them into submission

[slender bison]

We've been so long in S2 that we still think valorstones are warband and we get sparks from M+ drops

Timegate is soooo back!

[round pendant]

gotta keep that slop train rolling

[daring narwhal]

Check the one next to crafting order NPC, it sells the new crest

[slender bison]

No, we're talking if we can buy 1/2 Spark fragment next week from vault guy. Not the gilded crest

If DPS can get 2/2 sparks next week and get 720 weapon

[remote anchor]

you cannot

it starts selling half a spark after like 1 or 2 months

because you would just take spark your first 3 vaults

[slender bison]

Yea, so catchup later

TL;DR - DPS 720 weapon week 2 of season

[round pendant]

is he friends with the GM or something

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/would-we-not-all-agree-that-words-are-weapons-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20776588

[round pendant]

friends with GM = I quit
not friends with GM = I bully them into quitting

[solid sun]

I’m the raid leader

I guess we’re friends

But it’s just a small group. When he does shitty things I call him out on it, he says I’m wrong, I explain in detail why he is more amoeba than human

And then we keep it moving

[neon elk]

Im gonna steal that amoeba part and use it , thank you sir

[steady mason]

Anyone got a list of good phys comps to run this season?

[frigid spire]

right now till we get new teir we aare still run colos right?

[lyric loom]

still learning, but what does 21k haste do for shield block? 100% uptime?

brings the recharge down to 8sec?

[frosty mango]

It’s not 21k exactly

But around that value is where you can keep shield block up without it falling off while running in the fray instead of heavy repercussions

[karmic plinth]

at 21k its like 10-11s depending on itf

[round pendant]

Well, if you like torturing yourself who am I to judge

[strong forum]

not by default, but it hits like a fucking truck now

the 500% buff in s2 helped a tad

[mellow bridge]

wdym by default

when do I press it then

or only if an absorb is up

[strong forum]

absorb

[mellow bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[tribal wharf]

i remember using that on some mobs in karazhan keys in SL

that one or the node talent

500% dmg to absorb, sure, why not, its 500%

[frosty mango]

Wrecking throw on raz with the buff 🤌 🤌 🤌 🤌

[strong forum]

imagine new wreck

[rigid hull]

uhhh i think using CUSTOM APL for execute only works for me if i use dungeon slice what seems to be the issue @strong forum

thats all i need to do right

[strong forum]

works on any sim

but

this is already fixed

shouldnt need anymore

is included in normal apl

[pallid quiver]

Oh, Nome, by the way, on the talent builds page on Wowhead, you've got this:

Where it says you grab hunker down with the swapped points, but hunker down isn't selected

[strong forum]

ye i forgor to remove that part

[pallid quiver]

That's on the M+ builds part

[strong forum]

ty

[warm plinth]

silly goose

[strong forum]

i changed builds yesterday

for push

to move punto from hunker to bloodsurge

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I noticed the update day, so I wagered that was the case

i didn't mention it then because i fell asleep tho

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto NIM I HAVE HASTE

It's a Christmas miracle

[rigid hull]

@strong forum

i ran it like this

HTML report shows no execute

[frosty mango]

Does the patchwerk multi boss sim have the boss hitting execute range or is it just a 1:30 slice of a fight

I never actually thought about that

Trying to use GitHub on mobile is terrible

[strong forum]

youre on weekly

[mellow bridge]

• about 5-7 tries before I got the tracker

[strong forum]

go latest

[mellow bridge]

[rigid hull]

ahhhhh

fuck

[strong forum]

never sim weekly

[rigid hull]

yap

[solid sun]

If I got rid of someone everytime I disagreed with them I’d have to play single player games and only delves

[frosty mango]

You know what they say, if everyone is the problem….

[solid sun]

You’re surrounded by idiots

[frosty mango]

….that they should get good

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/jensen-ackles-pointing-smiling-supernatural-dean-winchester-gif-11379335554187487189

[warm plinth]

ARE VISIONS A JOKE TO YOU SIR

[pallid quiver]

choose your next words carefully, rhino

the skeleton has made many more of his kind in his time

[solid sun]

I mentioned visions

They’re just delves with a different name

[round pendant]

Disagreed? based on what you said he's basically griefing and being toxic 😔

[solid sun]

In raid it just means he has to taunt a lot more

In dungeons I just let him die

[harsh trellis]

its the dps mitigation

[solid sun]

Idc if he doesn’t wanna listen

Not my repair bill

[warm plinth]

Listening is for noobs

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/rotation-cooldowns-pve-tank Should give this a read

[solid sun]

I mean, yeah, he definitely can be. It just doesn't really knock my vibes any. I think I'm too old for it to impact me. I just call it out while pulling the next mobs or obliterating him on the damage meters

[warm plinth]

You got a link to the tracker?

[mellow bridge]

https://wago.io/KyvezaPullCounter

[warm plinth]

tyty

[mellow bridge]

np

[solid sun]

I'm not sure I want to see how bad I am

Via a numerical value

[mellow bridge]

dw I think most people rn need like 150-200 tries

[warm plinth]

honestly not sure I'm gonna be able to do this, like ever. I just can't see the clones at all

[mellow bridge]

do you have outlines activated in the options?

[warm plinth]

this?

[mellow bridge]

https://reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1mma168/how_it_feels_to_do_the_clones_phase_on_the_new/n7xzfhm/

i just saw this comment randomly

can try doing that; I didnt have that issue so not sure

[warm plinth]

yeah I have those settings. It's more of a colorblindness thing than anything else I'd imagine lol

[solid sun]

For me it's the precision required when looking at the clones

[jagged pier]

i just honestly stand on the spot where she starts, and follow with like my peripheral vision its really hard to explain

[solid sun]

People were saying you like have to move

After moving your camera

[mellow bridge]

diff mechanic jakey i think?

[solid sun]

Or the server won't update where you're looking or something?

idk

[mellow bridge]

@warm plinthdo you mean the massacre or the intermission

[jagged pier]

am talking about the one form the reddit thread

[mellow bridge]

yeah

[warm plinth]

The one where the clones spawn and you have to look at them. I haven't even made it to the shell game part

Like I literally just can't see these things

[mellow bridge]

well im pretty sure it takes where your character is looking and not your camera

so if you just move the camera it doesnt do anything

[jagged pier]

that one u have to turn your char

so if u aint used to using mouse to do that

it can be tricky

[solid sun]

Yeah I always use my mouse to turn my character

[mellow bridge]

i couldnt imagine not turning with my mouse

[solid sun]

But you have to be so precise

It's a yikers

[jagged pier]

u really dont have to be that precise

[mellow bridge]

https://wago.io/HSQVq_2WV i found this useful to get used to it