You can't change it, no 
well, you can manually turn on run/walk, NGL, isn't backpedal always walk? 
#protection
cerulean tusk
cerulean tusk
Now I am a tad curious, but it is walk always no?
nocturne spindle
but i wasnt toggling it
no i guess backwalk is somewhere inbetween walk and run
if you turn on walk its slower
cerulean tusk
where are the theory crafter's when ya need em
velvet knot
This is genuinely fustrating. Idk if this is doable.
zekvir and underpin were nothing compared to this
cerulean tusk
It is annoying for sure, and impossible with any latency. But, I really enjoyed it
cerulean tusk
As long it don't spike and drop input at times, ya should be fine
nocturne spindle
166 is fine
raw gazelle
anyone have a good source for raid talent builds?
nocturne spindle
wowhead
cerulean tusk
Wowhead prob been updated
fluid widget
Mountain Thane: Damage dealt by Ionizing Strikes reduced by 30%.
TELL ME HOW TO FEEL
lethal beacon
Mountain Thane: Damage dealt by Ionizing Strikes reduced by 30%.
This is coming Tuesday?
lethal beacon
Dang.
nocturne spindle
Were terrible everyone play brew
daring narwhal
how much of a loss is it considering it's a good port of our damage ?
fluid widget
brew also got nerfed
lethal beacon
VDH it is
fluid widget
azure crag
No changes to blood dk?
Staying prot warrior then.
frosty holly
So does that mean they for once only nerfed a thing for prot? No thane nerf for fury?
fluid widget
thats what it looks like
frosty holly
Surprised. But we all knew it was coming. I was just pondering if it would hit both specs
frosty holly
Ye i had a few of those also
daring narwhal
napkin math (i'm bad at it), it's ~8% nerf
velvet knot
i haven't made it past the second massacre yet
frosty holly
It did die today tho. So now just have to wait for season start for the mount "mog" to actually work
velvet knot
the second one always kills me no matter what
frail ibex
Are we dead?
fluid widget
napkin math (i'm bad at it), it's ~8% nerf
can we see napkin math
frail ibex
fluid widget
(not doubting curious)
frail ibex
oop someone beat me to it
torn gulch
from the logs i've seen is anywhere between 5 and 10% damage reduction
warranted nerf we were doing insane damage
wooden widget
~8% st?
bleak breach
We were dramatically ahead in a lot of stuff, so should still be ahead just doing slightly less damage.
frosty holly
Ye. if this all we get. I'm happy
fluid widget
more importantly though it doesn't nerf the playstyle
bleak breach
We were on par with the low dps classes, it’s nothing.
wooden widget
Archie pin just dropped
prime sphinx
dang, was hoping we'd get collossus back on top
wooden widget
Dope still happy gang
craggy harness
If that isn't facing it dead on
I've found issues with not letting go of right mouse button in time. if i let go after facing, or if I'm backpedalling, i turn fully right away. But I might dealing with a placebo
wooden widget
I kinda like flip flopping each tier
bleak breach
dang, was hoping we'd get collossus back on top
Colossus still good, just not as good.
velvet knot
I've found issues with not letting go of right mouse button in time. if i let go...
you have to let go of the right mouse button?
velvet knot
thats what im doing
glass field
God forbid prot warriors catch a vibe for a season amirite
craggy harness
although the outline points in the direction
let go of the rmb, then it snaps to it
glass field
🫣
daring narwhal
can we see napkin math
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q2kE2zeq9up6RGucgW3D12/simc
Ionizing Strike is about 23% of our damage on this sim, so if we nerf it by 30% it's about 8% loss (ST)
hybrid crown
Its worse in m+
velvet knot
I MADE IT TO THIRD MASSACRE
daring narwhal
Maybe archi will do the math given time idk
velvet knot
LETS GOOO
bleak breach
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q2kE2zeq9up6RGucgW3D12/simc
Ionizing ...
Yes, so based off of that we’re still about 150k ahead of BDK on top.
frosty holly
Is a buggy mess
velvet knot
Genuinely idk what the fuck else im supposed to do there.
craggy harness
not until i let go of rmb
frosty holly
My Brann also died to the pull in several times even when i make a perfect triangle
velvet knot
My Brann also died to the pull in several times even when i make a perfect trian...
same
ebon scaffold
Looks like 3%aoe 5%ST nerf?
azure crag
I do like how they said "We made these changes because we see certain specs under/overperforming"
And like....nobody has tier yet, how would you know ionizing strikes is overperforming
It was. But that feels like a change you should have made during ptr
craggy harness
Sorry bad pic. This is the one where I'm curious if I count as facing for the charges
I rotated the camera, but character hasn't
craggy harness
Yeah I botched first pic
velvet knot
Sorry bad pic. This is the one where I'm curious if I count as facing for the ch...
your character is facing up here
craggy harness
It should be, but I'm not sure K charges are counting it all the time
velvet knot
how do you get a circle around yourself
still crown
MT in the bin? 
frosty holly
At least i got it done earlier today. So don't have to bother with it anymoooar
steep crest
speculation is 3% overall 5% ST
velvet knot
i hate mountain thane
craggy harness
how do you get a circle around yourself
frosty holly
I like some variation. So thane being good is nice.
velvet knot
You’re all free to play whichever spec you want
^^
MT is still probably gonna be better
Colossus has that massive burst
which i like
I also love spamming revenge
MT is incredibly boring and doesn't change how you play at all
cerulean tusk
2h no hero spec, Pwarrior 
velvet knot
also knockback immunity is very handy
lusty grotto
good news everyone
toxic pewter
Mt still prob be better
lusty grotto
just kidding, no good news
toxic pewter
cerulean tusk
good news everyone
lusty grotto
arms is dead
velvet knot
My friend wants to play warrior dps
lusty grotto
fury is mid
cerulean tusk
Dead, but fine
velvet knot
fury is braindead to play right?
rancid sedge
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q2kE2zeq9up6RGucgW3D12/simc
Ionizing ...
do u know how much on m+
velvet knot
click the shiny button
toxic pewter
Why is the 30% nerf considered just a single target nerf. How does it work
cerulean tusk
Rude rat in a hat
lusty grotto
frosty holly
NEW RECORD 4/6 MASSACRE
Soooon
hardy snow
I wonder how they were monitoring that ionizing strikes overperform in group content or in pvp over these few days 
velvet knot
my favorite thing in this server is when the whole prot community was spamming ratjam at the start of shadowlands because we were so over the shitty talent changes blizz made for us.
daring narwhal
Why is the 30% nerf considered just a single target nerf. How does it work
It's not afaik, I don't have a sim for aoe available, feel free to share one so we can do napkin math 🤓
torn gulch
I wonder how they were monitoring that ionizing strikes overperform in group con...
i suspect the just had a look on ptr data
toxic pewter
lusty grotto
I wonder how they were monitoring that ionizing strikes overperform in group con...
clearly they have internal data
jokes aside, i thought the same thing
toxic pewter
Why he say just affects st
hardy snow
i suspect the just had a look on ptr data
yea I know, it was pretty obvious they will nerf that, but their "explanations" for changes are ridicoulous some times 😄
lusty grotto
motherfuckers didnt even try to cover their bullshit
"oh yeah we totally monitored tier that nobody has on live TEEHEE"
velvet knot
omg
toxic pewter
Howmuch was it buffed during ptr
cerulean tusk
velvet knot
i think i get the fight now
lusty grotto
"surely this will make new tier list videos HEHEHEHHEHE"
velvet knot
i got her down to 60%
velvet knot
this is gonna take forever
i have to stay locked in for like 10 minutes
this is gonna suuuck
anyone got any ky'veza builds?
cerulean tusk
"surely this will make new tier list videos HEHEHEHHEHE"
Prot warrior GUTTED, new tech? HUGE CHANGeS coming
lusty grotto
did they even touch
wizards?
of course they didnt
oh they actually buffed warlock
of course they did
lusty grotto
well that buff means nothing but still
cerulean tusk
Locked in
toxic pewter
Did arcane get nerfed heard arcane is bonkers
prime sphinx
anyone got any ky'veza builds?
full st imo no point taking cheat death etc cos it 1 shot anyway, second wind is full heal in intermission if ur gear sucks
velvet knot
full st imo no point taking cheat death etc cos it 1 shot anyway, second wind is...
im not familiar with the current talents since the rework
lusty grotto
typical blizzard, "wizards are fine"
lusty grotto
im not familiar with the current talents since the rework
wowhead
velvet knot
oh we have a ky'veza talent build on wowhead?
prime sphinx
use haterang on bran if u have it its really strong
agile elbow
you know what didn't get touched? vdh. kek. thanks blizzard.
azure crag
Wait, prot warrior has an AoE interrupt?
Oh shit, nice
velvet knot
use haterang on bran if u have it its really strong
I do!
raw gazelle
rip we just got nerfed
slim oracle
i dont know if its as minor as people are saying, FYI if we applied the 30% ionizing strike nerf to my kill of eco 16 last boss on PTR, i lost 7.5% damage
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J8dh3ArkXjw4NC2y?fight=last&type=damage-done&target=46
its a sizeable ST nerf
prime sphinx
nah we didn't have tier yet so doesnt count 
lusty grotto
does ky'veza melee at all?
she does
velvet knot
I might go into touch as nails for extra damage
prime sphinx
yes she melee's but they arent that bad except if ur real low gear
slim oracle
ionizing strikes was 25% of my damage to last boss, so a 30% nerf to that is not "very minor"
lusty grotto
but its w/e
velvet knot
Okay ty
toxic pewter
its a sizeable ST nerf
Why is it just a nerf to single target and not multi target also. Actually trying to understand
daring narwhal
AoE nerf should be ~2% (again napkin math)
slim oracle
if we apply that 30% nerf to the entire dungeon, i lost about 4%
toxic pewter
I see
slim oracle
its sizeable but we were so far ahead in ST that i think we'll still be the highest, even with that nerf
silver quiver
i dont know if its as minor as people are saying, FYI if we applied the 30% ioni...
i looked at a ptr kira log from a couple days ago, worked out to be about 5% st
slim oracle
yeah i only looked at last boss
from my log
but yeah im sure its around ~5%
was a deserved nerf, we're still very good though
toxic pewter
How far ahead other tanks are we even supposedly
daring narwhal
around 15% afaik (st)
velvet knot
god forbid warrior ever be good
agile elbow
velvet knot
we can never be meta in m+ with paladins, bears, and dh around
but ateast brew will always be dtier
toxic pewter
We doin big dam tho
agile elbow
brew is really good rn what are you smoking
toxic pewter
That is the one path for prot be meta
lusty grotto
thats twice the paladin
velvet knot
thats twice the paladin
shutup
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
We actually came out quite well here to be honest
dapper ocean
bleak breach
We actually came out quite well here to be honest
In theory still 150-200k ahead of next best tabk
agile elbow
it's not that big of a deal
bleak breach
Could be more, could be less
white umbra
Does the nerf mean we don’t hard swap to thane? Or it’s still slightly ahead
bleak breach
Yeah, it was never going to be bad apb
toxic pewter
The community wanted dumpstered
bleak breach
All our absorb/healing is relative to damage done, if they gut that we’ve got way less IP
toxic pewter
They wanted blood
velvet knot
Ky'veza down to 40%
oak ivy
I stopped paying attention for a good long while, thane swap is a real consideration now? doing equalish damage?
bleak breach
Thane is meta
velvet knot
whoever told me to hold down s and right click you're my hero
bleak breach
Colossus not too far behind though
oak ivy
oh shit
bleak breach
800%
toxic pewter
LOL
white umbra
Thane is full brain off, can gamba mid raid
mellow bridge
When it first came out
bleak breach
It was absolutely horrid initially
mellow bridge
It did like 2% of your overall at best lmao
toxic pewter
Ok fair enough
toxic pewter
Fair enough
slim oracle
thanks fam
get a life
lusty grotto
i will when you apologize to Roid
bleak breach
30% off 800% LOL
Well kinda, in theory I assume now that makes it like a 560% buff?
30% of 800 would be 240, maybe I’m overthinking
lusty grotto
thats not how it works
bleak breach
thats not how it works
Kinda?
It’s 30% of its total current damage
bleak breach
I’m not, just a simple way to look at it
bleak breach
It’s doing a lot, now it’s slightly less
mighty valley
Man
That nerf isn’t big enough to make me happy playing colossus in all situations
vernal scaffold
Do we know how much % we just lost in ST?
lusty grotto
its not a class ending nerf
if you were here hoping we'd be meta, i have bad news though
were never gonna be meta in keys, we're still paying for BFA
but also its not a class factor so much as a comp factor
as far as raid goes, we're still a good pick
especially since arms didnt get touched and fury remains pretty mid
vernal scaffold
I was kinda hoping to be able to run as 2 prot warriors this tier. Just cause
lusty grotto
i dont know why you would do that tbh
you only need 1 battle shout
i mean i guess if damage remained the same
it would make sense in a way
but you'd miss some utility
or rather, different utility
spellward, grips, etc
vernal scaffold
Yeah for sure, I was coping and hoping we could do that. Just cause I love to play prot.
reef matrix
how far ahead was prot ST that you say that
vernal scaffold
Pretty far ahead of the pack tbf
bleak breach
We won’t beat VDH for overall meta
But phys comp is a thing these days so there will be a high pick rate
cedar egret
so thunder blast which is aoe ability procs ionizing strikes so it could hit multiple enemies but it's only single target nerf? someone could explain how that works I think I am missing something
bleak breach
so thunder blast which is aoe ability procs ionizing strikes so it could hit mul...
It’s an aoe nerf too, but ionising strikes is target capped at 5, so not as significant overall there.
cedar egret
lusty grotto
how far ahead was prot ST that you say that
this is the raid leads sheet with 5 mins ST sims
take it with the appropriate grain of salt
quick berry
Monk sandbagging
prime sphinx
didnt work cos they got hit anyway sneaky lil fellas
lusty grotto
which is fine
bleak breach
I know, but someone will believe this. You know it Nim
gray mirage
So is MT still the play for raid and m+?
bleak breach
Yes
lusty grotto
yes
bleak breach
By a gap
This nerf will still leave MT on top in ST by roughly 150-200k off a quick bit of math
daring narwhal
Do we know how much % we just lost in ST?
~8% from my napkin math (it was about 23% of our damage for reference)
bleak breach
Could be more, could be less
bleak breach
A lot of my guardian friends are really happy atleast
It’s still pretty trash, but a lot more enjoyable for them.
bleak breach
Yep
bleak breach
Blizz has done well this tier in balancing the tanks so far I think. Seems a lot more are playable early.
lusty grotto
timmy the bear that plays elune usually wont be able to get close to that mark
bleak breach
Like from ptr anyway
lusty grotto
they kind of always do okay on the balancing
as far as damage goes
everything else is bad
bleak breach
Yeah, that’s fair
bleak breach
Yeah, I get ya
lusty grotto
not to be confused with SL or pre-SL balancing, that was atrocious
lusty grotto
its a good expansion, but balancing def sucked dick
bleak breach
Yeah 100%
We had affi locks in our team green parsing still beating guys orange parsing on every fight
lusty grotto
hopefully they'll start to pay more attention to the whole package for tanks
and hopefully they increase the tank role's damage, cause its stagnating behind
especially now with cloaks
tanks as a whole shouldnt be doing 50% of a dps role
bleak breach
Yeah, it got close for a while but now the gap is as big as ever.
lusty grotto
it should be at least 75%
bleak breach
Apparently threat can be a big issue with bursty classes plus cape in raid
bleak breach
Like m+ could always be an issue with big burst, but you don’t expect to lose threat in ST
prime sphinx
no way threat will be an issue in raid
lusty grotto
it usually isnt
runic granite
they kind of always do okay on the balancing
They have definitely planted their flag on single target damage and seem content if that’s balanced (and it was in 11.1)
lusty grotto
its a huge problem in keys cause target caps amongst other things provide lots of friction
proud schooner
Uhh are we sure this is going to be a minor nerf, if I apply it to my log its like 5.5%
runic granite
Our lord and savior thunder blast should fix all that
lusty grotto
so here's hoping for a 3rd and either normalize target caps or fucking get rid of them like everyone wants
runic granite
Uhh are we sure this is going to be a minor nerf, if I apply it to my log its li...
We were really far ahead
proud schooner
true
runic granite
And didn’t get nuked
runic granite
And also they did it without nuking thane for fury
pastel sleet
i didnt play any of the PTR and i know theyve made some dungeon tuning. if my guild raid team could regularly push 15s-17s (even 15s on alts) is it reasonable to assume we will be clearing 10s on tuesday before raid? we are trying to gameplan ilvl progression
daring narwhal
should be able to yes
bleak breach
Uhh are we sure this is going to be a minor nerf, if I apply it to my log its li...
That’s less then first predicted
We’re way ahead of other tanks in ST
There’s literally nothing to worry about. It could’ve been 1000% times worse.
solid sun
Nu uh
runic granite
It was the right way to tune us, didn’t really affect aoe damage
proud schooner
idk i think we storm orgrimmar
lusty grotto
I demand justice
you got brews nerfed
LOL
see they were sandbagging for us all along
monks are friends
mystic touch ❤️
runic granite
Is boomie good again, I can’t tell
lusty grotto
ive no idea
solid sun
Brews deserved it!
They were trying to do more damage than us!
DotC and San'layn should have got hit, too
lusty grotto
but to be perfectly unbiased, boomies were kinda fucked coming into this release
frosty mango
Uhh are we sure this is going to be a minor nerf, if I apply it to my log its li...
closer to 7 imo
lusty grotto
whether their shit is better or not, is up to their TCs to say
frosty mango
DotC and San'layn should have got hit, too
leave druids alone
safe jolt
Brews deserved it!
Man. Brew hasnt been good in literal years. They deserve a tier to eat
lusty grotto
dotc should def still be up there, thats a spec that deserves the damage
proven stratus
Man. Brew hasnt been good in literal years. They deserve a tier to eat
Fuck em
lusty grotto
im perfectly okay with that
safe jolt
The monkey's paw curls. I didnt see VDH nerfs.
solid sun
If we eat a nerf and a different tank spec jumps us as top damage dealers that's just wrong
It's a lack of justice
lusty grotto
The monkey's paw curls. I didnt see VDH nerfs.
what were you expecting? VDH st is garbage
drifting lance
dont think this nerf was big enough for pwarr to lose the top spot
lusty grotto
if youre applying these nerfs to keys... youre not looking at it the same way blizzard is
solid sun
Roid just said we lost our top spot to druid of the claw
Some dumb anime spec
Horrific if true
frosty mango
if youre applying these nerfs to keys... youre not looking at it the same way bl...
if I look at all my ptr logs, over only single target, it looks like 6.5-7% but thats only me
drifting lance
thane was (and is) completely nuts
frosty mango
Roid just said we lost our top spot to druid of the claw
thats not what I said, the only reason I think funcitonally a dotc druid in raid will outdps a war is because A) they are close and B) they are bleed/dot heavy
any melee downtime severely punishes thane
it does not punish druid
solid sun
See some dumb anime spec topping the tank charts is just entirely unacceptable.
frosty mango
it does
very large portion of dotc druid damage is dot/hot damage, if you need to get off the boss for 3-5 seconds thats not punishing
drifting lance
since they're based on mangle being cast on cd
frosty mango
if youre getting off the boss for 5 seconds as thane warrior that is very punishing
drifting lance
depends on the circumstance, but yeah warrior will definetly suffer more from it
proven stratus
You just gotta stay on the boss and tell healers to adjust
This man understands the woyer life
vale osprey
Is thane still going to be the go to for m+?
safe jolt
Is thane still going to be the go to for m+?
yes
proven stratus
Stand in all the shit, zug all the damage
frosty mango
I was literally having this convo with nome earlier today about how when thane gets nerfed I think dotc will overtake lol
but we'll still never see a guardian in rwf
so warriors still goat!
proven stratus
drifting lance
not entirely sure about that
civic holly
What % of our dam was ionising strikes before?
lusty grotto
im entirely sure about it
civic holly
I didn't even get to play yet 🙁
frozen berry
Fury or arms not gonna be played since they’re dogwater, so gotta have the AP buff from warrior
prime sphinx
brewmaster does 5m st they just hide their shit 🙂
lusty grotto
you play tanks based on what you need
you wont need mark of the wild
resto is a thing
solid sun
Well what you don't know
frosty mango
What % of our dam was ionising strikes before?
in st, like 18-25%?
civic holly
Ah sheeeeet
solid sun
Is that Arms warrior appears to be so bad it's actually secret goat tier
civic holly
What about in aoes?
solid sun
Basically the gist of it is
frosty mango
8-10? its going to depend a lot on pull size
solid sun
We have some turncoats here rooting for druids
And it's time some tough conversations be had
fossil nimbus
Is this nerf worse in single target or worse in AOE?
prime sphinx
I didn't even get to play yet 🙁
Ehh blizzard clearly stated that these nerfs are based on data from this week: "Over the first few days of Ghosts of K’aresh content, we’ve been closely monitoring class balance and identifying specializations that are beginning to over- or under-perform in group content and in PvP."
Clearly someone already has 4p and has been pumping in m0 dungeons apparently
drifting lance
not rooting for any in particular
frosty mango
did you read what I said
lusty grotto
i think hes replying to the other guy
frosty mango
ah
solid sun
Only thing Camolin reads is what liquid is doing
His guild just copy/pastes what liquid does
frosty mango
yes
lusty grotto
yeah
drifting lance
bear literally got played this xpac in rwf
lusty grotto
you have to catweave to pull sims numbers
lusty grotto
thats beside the point
frosty mango
it's a 3 global sequence every 20s or so
you are weaving significantly more than that to get high numbers
but anyway
yes you keep them for 6 seconds
drifting lance
you are weaving significantly more than that to get high numbers
not really
frosty mango
not really
yes really
solid sun
I wanna see Roid and Fenza fight
Let's meet up at the bike rack
Nimchip is in charge of bets
drifting lance
numbers are fairly high without minmaxing rake
frosty mango
solid sun
brew just got nerfed, amigo
lusty grotto
unless damage is completely fucking brokenly op, damage is never a factor in picking tanks for RWF
solid sun
They aren't sandbagging, though, either. Kate was saying the other day that it's really hard to figure out how the MoH tier even activates
drifting lance
it is when all tanks survive and you arent picking a tank for nescessary utility or a raid buff
frosty mango
drifting lance
happens sometimes, but not often
lusty grotto
it is when all tanks survive and you arent picking a tank for nescessary utility...
and when is that
frosty mango
thats a r100 parse
and I spent 20% of the fight in catform
so not even like a rwf worthy showing
drifting lance
and when is that
happened in undermine
lusty grotto
wat
drifting lance
pwarr was played alongside dps warrior all tier
lusty grotto
not all tier
drifting lance
atleast on 2 of the hardest bosses actually
not sure about gally
yeah no dps warrior on gally
toxic pewter
U guys think midnight will have other major features other than housing. Like will they push housing as the main feature of the xpac
frosty mango
blizz just wants to disable addons because they cant keep up with performance issues
cmv
lusty grotto
the fuck
proven stratus
Lmao
lusty grotto
brother Sense is over 30
lusty grotto
im over 30
frosty mango
what if you are not biologically over the age of 30 but you identify as over 30
frosty mango
or could I identify as 29 so I could do kyveza on a saturday and identify as 65 so I can retire on monday
I like where this is going
I will say that I will not do kyveza but delves make me want to hurt myself
fair beacon
lol, just saw wowhead, did they nerf the only viable warrior spec of season 3 before it even started? 😄
frosty mango
but I am pretty sure old people can do kyveza, lol
frosty mango
I did my 8 delves in tak rethan at 3 mins 30 seconds each and I hated every second of it
drifting lance
lol, just saw wowhead, did they nerf the only viable warrior spec of season 3 be...
nerfed the numerically strongest tank in the game
lusty grotto
it was expected Victor
drifting lance
and it's still at the very least 2nd, probably still 1st
lusty grotto
not a massive nerf anyway
frosty mango
the most important part of all of this
was that our monk campaign worked
thats what we need to take away
prime sphinx
fought it for 16 mins boss had 10 stacks just lockin bro
lusty grotto
i bet it would
fair beacon
I love how blizz never touches the meta during the course of the expansion, regardless of seasons because it knows people who are pushing might cba to swap out for pushing high keys and they will lose revenue, so they just leave the DH tank and max and never even look its way, meanwhile they take away the singular advantage the no utility warr tank had in terms of damage just to give the illusion that they are on top of things 😄
lusty grotto
that aint a key nerf
frosty mango
blizz does not balance around keys
lusty grotto
its not specific for M+
frosty mango
basically ever
frosty mango
if you historically look at all of the buffs/nerfs since m+ came out its pretty clear they almost never make tuning decisions specifically related to m+
drifting lance
i'm surprised the nerf wasnt bigger honestly
frosty mango
they make them based on the raid performance of the class, and then tune the dungeons later on
lusty grotto
well they do, but they are usually way later in the season
proven stratus
The only thing that Blizz gives a fuck about is raid balance
Anything else is secondary
If that
prime sphinx
as it should be
drifting lance
the tier set numbers on thane are some of the highest ever I think
mighty valley
it’s fine
lusty grotto
wat
frosty mango
if you only play a class based on the buff/nerf cycle then you're just fotm rerolling constantly
lusty grotto
those nerfs werent impactful in the long run
frosty mango
warrior has been solid for quite a few tiers
in fact tank balance has been good for a while now
prime sphinx
pwar was best tank last tier u can let another tank be ahead of us (they still arent)
lusty grotto
there was just ONE nerf last season and it still didnt take us off the top
fair beacon
warr has just always been a good target, for any reason if we come into light, they decide to nerf hammer us, unrelated as it may be. srsly, imagine blizz messing up kyveza with an unintentional bug, and they bring the entire existence of spell reflect into question instead (hell, some idiots call for it to be a pvp talent to "avoid" future possible exploits) 😄
lusty grotto
we were up there by a mile
frosty mango
there was just ONE nerf last season and it still didnt take us off the top
also a warranted nerf considering we were outdpsing competent dps players
lusty grotto
and only bloodbeast tied with us
frosty mango
if they didnt nerf revenge wed have ended the season doing more dps than 60% of the dps playerbase
lusty grotto
if they didnt nerf revenge wed have ended the season doing more dps than 60% of ...
tanks still are way behind on damage, even last season
prime sphinx
ok and that happens in raid
fluid widget
It nerfs damage, doesn’t fuck the potential, and is well deserved compared to other tank
lusty grotto
battle stance is not that huge of an increase
frosty mango
tanks still are way behind on damage, even last season
eh yeah but its gonna be worse this season
lusty grotto
no
willow portal
guys quick question, only change to thane when we have 4pc?
lusty grotto
correct
frosty mango
guys quick question, only change to thane when we have 4pc?
correct
drifting lance
every tank sim you'll find alongside it also use full damage talents etc
proven stratus
we'll see a squish in midnight which will help
I thought they were squishing in Last Titan/post Last Titan?
frosty mango
I thought they were squishing in Last Titan/post Last Titan?
theyll do midnight, I think they have to
lusty grotto
they literally said midnight when the trilogy was announced
drifting lance
Dotc in raid doesn't feel spammy at all
fluid widget
Just gotta get a better button for ignore pain
drifting lance
neither does blood
frosty mango
Dotc in raid doesn't feel spammy at all
ngl when I play druid in raid i forget to press ironfur enough
drifting lance
the more gear you get the less you tend to press it
frosty mango
then I take a natty tankbuster for 50% of my health and I say "good thing im a druid" and keep dpsing
fluid widget
Mine is mouse button 4 where my thumb rests, less movement
drifting lance
end of tier reclears u can straight ignore it on some bosses
frosty mango
you play elunes chosen in raid?
lusty grotto
its old as fuck
frosty mango
or you dont play bear
vale osprey
Oh wait the nerf is only for when we get 4 piece? I’m new to warrior
humble lintel
nerf
vale osprey
It doesn’t affect any thunderclap talents currently?
frosty mango
yes theyve been monitoring it from the future
and determined its starting to overperform
so they came back to the present and nerfed it
thats one of my ptr logs
single target fight
theres some damage amps on her but you get a general sense of the amount
drifting lance
should be roughly 6-7% if i napkined it right
frosty mango
should be roughly 6-7% if i napkined it right
i checked it over like 10 logs on st fights and it was a 6.5-7.2, average around 7
im sure sims will suss it out soon enough
drifting lance
most of the tank ones are decently maintained imo
though sometimes updates are a bit slow for some of them
waxen quarry
The only thing that Blizz gives a fuck about is raid balance
Over the first few days of Ghosts of K’aresh content, we’ve been closely monitoring class balance and identifying specializations that are beginning to over- or under-perform in group content and in PvP. With scheduled weekly maintenance in each region, we’ll make the following changes.
arms still dogwater
no changes
runic granite
You can use PTR data to monitor a tier set that isn’t out yet to do a nerf, but not a buff apparently
bold depot
just becomes that post nerf
override.spell_data=effect.1235017.ap_coefficient=1.05 overrides ionizing strikes
lusty grotto
1.05?
bold depot
150% atttack power - 30% = 1.05
bold depot
🤷♂️
lusty grotto
let me see
buoyant sparrow
Stupid question: how much more tanky is MT over Col? Or is it not?
lusty grotto
its not
buoyant sparrow
Cool thanks
toxic pewter
vivid tendon
Stupid question: how much more tanky is MT over Col? Or is it not?
last season it felt more tanky than col IMO but i also was the only warrior playing thane at high (20+) keys apparently xD
naive panther
More ignore pains but take more damage last season
vivid tendon
To give an idea I didn't run cheat in any keys towards the end including priory with thane and double dps trinkets
Not saying its tankier btw, just saying I felt better on it personally
buoyant sparrow
I just find MT kinda boring. I love the way Col feels
frosty mango
thane is "tankier" insofar as you press ignore pain more (and technically you have better demo shout uptime) but this season with with the colo tier changes I think they're pretty close
but as of right now in current gear? I would agree that thane is probably slightly tankier
well maybe not tankier, I would probably say it has a smoother damage intake profile
I will say to me anyway, thane feels far superior on gather simply because of ignore pain
vivid tendon
Thane had a fun minigame to it which allows you to minmax damage. Last season you did this with revenge in between Tclaps and managing a careful balance with IP because show of force was insane for Thane.
This season thats replaced with execute and thats hella fun too with execute cleave
^^ also because Tblast spam is just way better for threat IMO
big first pulls felt awful on colossus personally
frosty mango
^^ also because Tblast spam is just way better for threat IMO
yeah it is, and getting IP up earlier in the gather cycle makes for much easier gather especially if youre not great at directionality
it's just a generally more forgiving flow for most players
vivid tendon
yes agreed 1000%
lusty grotto
so roid
frosty mango
rocking araz ritual forge and sending double tblast with pot on ptr was just chefs kiss
lusty grotto
based on wording
vivid tendon
nice, i did the same but with netherprism
lusty grotto
nerfs are usually multiplicative
ionizing should end up at 75% AP
if multiplicative
frosty mango
I literally just cut a flat 30% off of raw log damage across encounters
frosty mango
I didn't really get into the sim coefficient - because their wording is ambiguous
lusty grotto
additive
frosty mango
i feel like if you just cut the damage by 30% at the end of the chain thats about as clear as you can get, they say it does 30% less damage, you remove 30% of the damage
lusty grotto
current
frosty mango
when I do it that way I come out with 7%
lusty grotto
i swear to christ every time they nerf its not a straight up cut
but blizzard and wording...
warm plinth
I thought they generally just used aura modifiers for this kind of thing. e.g. if the current modifier is 0%, then a -30% would put it at -30%. If it's at 50%, then it's at 20%. At least, that's what datamining would have me believe
jagged gust
These are st sim yeah?
lusty grotto
I thought they generally just used aura modifiers for this kind of thing. e.g. ...
if they do then
its an 8% nerf
at max
7-8%
#protection message so this one
frosty mango
I thought they generally just used aura modifiers for this kind of thing. e.g. ...
yeah this is why I just cut the flat log damage by the percentage they state when they articulate it as "damage dealt by {skill} is reduced by {n}%"
because no matter how they calculated it, it's pretty unambiguous what they intend the end result to be, which is 30% less ionizing strike damage
lusty grotto
These are st sim yeah?
yeah
so it'll end up at 105% of AP, the tooltip, if done correctly
solid sun
Yo this brew build doesn't take breath of fire and it has completely broken my head
frosty mango
Yo this brew build doesn't take breath of fire and it has completely broken my h...
for m+?
or raid
solid sun
m+
frosty mango
yeah you typically dont as shado pan
solid sun
It's an MoH build
frosty mango
interesting
solid sun
But you can swap out to shadopan
frosty mango
brew shado pan very simple
solid sun
Shinzhu or w/e their name is on wowhead has it
lusty grotto
makes me wonder, do they send whoever writes friday balancing notes to a decent happy hour after you guys think?
frosty mango
makes me wonder, do they send whoever writes friday balancing notes to a decent ...
no because they're written by interns
lusty grotto
frosty mango
I have two right now
I have them building a setup for CRM systems that takes emails and then sends the content against some ai models in amazon bedrock to check them for PII/PHI, bad domains, data exfil, etc, and then if it passes, the reponse tells the crm system to send the email
i hate regex and I will do everything I can to rid the world of it's evil
including abusing intern labor to innovate
frosty mango
i like regex
Mods ban this man please
lusty grotto
well its probably due to the fact that when i did intern, i was pushed to to heavy regex use
viscid nexus
Sending pii to ai sounds a little bit sketchy
lusty grotto
but to be fair, its friday and after a few beers i cant touch any pattern
he said bedrock
so its internal
of course he should be careful with it but yeah
hes not exactly dumping it on chatgpt.com
frosty mango
Sending pii to ai sounds a little bit sketchy
I’m not sending pii to ai, I’m sending email content to an internal controlled ai in govcloud to evaluate and flag emails that may contain pii
Trying to write regex to pattern recognize phi and pii is almost fucking impossible but it’s a great use case for ai
viscid nexus
👍🏻
frosty mango
But generally speaking yes you’re right you shouldn’t be putting pii into chatgpt lol
Unless you enjoy being unemployed
proud schooner
how thick is it
mighty valley
yeah, you leave it for at least a couple hours
but it's zero maintenance
it's just in there and you check the temp occasionally
toxic pewter
I had this su vide chicken thing from Costco once
Was pretty good
It was like vacuum sealed with some general tso sauce
Brand called Kevin’s I think?
undone lake
i didnt read what was said, if was, about nerfs but as long Mountain Thane remains viable im happy
gameplay feels better imo
small steeple
Bro prot wat chat is talking about a French method of cooking steak?
Nice
undone lake
got it
mighty valley
Bro prot wat chat is talking about a French method of cooking steak?
Nice
we contain multitudes
undone lake
and to be honest, it doesnt matter that much for me, i dont do above +12 13ish
small steeple
we contain multitudes
True we were talking about bot vulnerabilities earlier so pretty wide net
frosty mango
How long does it take to suis vide a steak
Depends on the steak cut and thickness
Usually 3 hours for a 1-2 inch cut is good, you don’t wanna go more than 4 or 5
It’s very hard to mess it up
warm plinth
How long does it take to suis vide a steak
I'll do you one better, what is suis vide
mighty valley
I'll do you one better, what is suis vide
sous vide is a method of cooking where you vacuum seal meat in a bag and submerge it in hot water til it's the temp you're looking for
small steeple
Even throughout I think. Idk it’s French
rare kraken
I thought I saw some math saying the 725% buff wasn’t enough to make it great
Oh nvm
lusty grotto
idk where you saw that math but thane is the pick with tier
rare kraken
I think it was shortly after the 725% buff, but yeah gotchA
lusty grotto
even with the nerf
rare kraken
Is it sti-
Yeah nice
I much prefer Thane to Colossus anyway so that works out nicely
rare kraken
I have sound effects for Mountain Thane that make it a very fun experience
The sound I made for Demolish is really satisfying too though, but I don’t get to hear that one anywhere near as much as Thunder Blast
red quartz
Guys to let u know u can upgrade your fiber on your rashi .
dense cradle
nah the only difference from the wowhead weekly build is bigger ip+sudden death
mighty valley
What does that accomplish?
It's one of the easier ways to hit the exactly internal temperature you're looking for
If you have strong feelings about how cooked you want your meat to be
One convenient thing about it is that you can cook it like that, keep it vacuum sealed, and then heat and sear it later
Which is why I said it was cheater mode for cooking while camping
Eat a perfect steak even off've a jank ass camping stove
gentle violet
I much prefer Thane to Colossus anyway so that works out nicely
Nothing like hitting a Thunder Blast proc, seeing the Thunder visual and hearing the little electrocution sound. Adds a lot of flavor to our spec. I prefer Thane as well.
Turns us Warriors into Thoriors.
solid sun
Just so you know, Last Stand and Thunderlord are not currently active in this picture.
solid sun
That's the plan
elfin geode
Cool 👍
lethal beacon
Guys to let u know u can upgrade your fiber on your rashi .
To the priest crafted?
lethal beacon
The sound I made for Demolish is really satisfying too though, but I don’t get t...
Can you share
azure crag
this is the raid leads sheet with 5 mins ST sims
Good lord, the diff between Sanlayn and deathbringer is insane
lone eagle
this is the raid leads sheet with 5 mins ST sims
My understanding is Brew is between Prot Warr and Guardian here, even post nerfs
Is that your understanding as well?
quiet pagoda
Well there it is. A 30% nerf to Ionizing Strikes. Anyone have a clue how much that is to our total?
lusty grotto
7-8%
south zealot
twitch prime
shut knoll
What are you guys making for your crafted gear?
young geode
prolly gonna make shield and wrist
shut knoll
thats what I was thinking as well
young geode
weapon drops from first mythic boss so it's a bit easier to get
harsh musk
We still sticking to thane after nerf?
lusty grotto
yes
vocal lintel
I like big demolish numbers so i'm sticking to collosus and you can't stop me
lusty grotto
We still sticking to thane after nerf?
just to be clear you shouldnt be thane before 4pc
this hasnt changed
optimally
if you like to play it then whatever
its just not better than colossus until then
frigid valley
lets gooo, 1 more thane nerf so i can keep playing colo
jagged pier
silk pine
Nah its disabled if thane doesnt get nerfed😁
rare kraken
Can you share
Will do once I get home in a few hours lol
lusty grotto
twitch prime
you playing this season?
crimson furnace
Good morning, the news section says it’s a minor nerrf in ST for us thanes, any idea in % how much this costs us?? Ty
lusty grotto
crimson furnace
Tyyyy
little lark
nerf is probably bigger in aoe right?
crimson furnace
We are tuned properly I see
Perfection
They asked for nrfsss
We got them
It’s all good in heaven
rancid tiger
Warrior deserves top dmg spot as tank!
remote tusk
weapon drops from first mythic boss so it's a bit easier to get
bis shield drops from 2nd
sharp merlin
HA! We got nerfed, still playing it
broken cove
lusty grotto
yes
frosty crest
The tier was worth THAT MUCH???
This is probably still the highest DPS tank but I didn't know the tier did THAT MUCH.
remote tusk
with brew nerfs, probably
nocturne musk
what should first craft be for heroic raider and m+ worth upgrading my weap first?
drifting lance
The tier was worth THAT MUCH???
it's still completely absurd how strong thane 4p is
prime maple
Still playing thane in raid and m+ or just raid post nerfs?
blazing shuttle
mild river
hi guys
i just got 2 fractured sparks this week. is this normal? i'm afraid to have bugged something out and get a ban lol
still crown
Banhammer inc
still crown
Currency tab shows you how many you are allowed to have total
still crown
😘
remote tusk
i just got 2 fractured sparks this week. is this normal? i'm afraid to have bugg...
Yes, this is normal.
First week you get one full spark, or 2 fragments. Then every week after you get one fragment per week.
idle copper
2nd last boss in Halls - Tackyxs (youtube guy) kites him to the non aggro adds - just done a run and he didnt seem to want to move for me ? have they adjusted it
rigid pasture
My guild is thinking to go warri pal. Or would warri monk tank better? (Myth raid obv.)
frigid valley
unless top20 world u tell them that u wanna play whatever u want
faint cedar
unless top20 world u tell them that u wanna play whatever u want
This is how u get 5 ret paladins on your signups
karmic stream
How much do you guys think 30% nerf to ionizing strike will affect mountain thane overall dps? Will colossus be viable again?
rigid pasture
karmic stream
ahh thanks, love u
daring narwhal
No up to colussus so no, still way below
karmic stream
yea, i got used to colossus, sad its bad now once u get tier set but oh well, mountain thane looks fun too!
keen star
what's the meta race this season? dwarf?
mint knot
The brew apl isn’t updated yet
hmm, that's odd
trim island
important question: what's more FUN colossus or thane?
I'm leaning towards colossus, I also enjoy healing off bleeds
rigid pasture
important question: what's more FUN colossus or thane?
Prob the one that is Fun to you
trim island
yeah but like, what's the vibes? I know my opinion just asking others, also I haven't tried ptr with tier set
frozen nest
My guild is thinking to go warri pal. Or would warri monk tank better? (Myth rai...
If a raid tank is bringing a buff then play that. Otherwise ur good on whatever
bleak marsh
Will colossus be ahead of thane with the last Tuning you think?
rigid pasture
Will colossus be ahead of thane with the last Tuning you think?
Someone said no
lunar flare
yeah but like, what's the vibes? I know my opinion just asking others, also I ha...
"whats the vibes?" is this how the kids speak these days
prot warrior is so LIT and SIGMA, no cap
fortnite
trim island
wouldn't know, I'm about as far away from the kids as you can get
lunar flare
probs a good state to be in brother
rigid hull
getting used to execute usage is actually fuckin with me
i feel like i should execute twice always to dump all my rage
isntead of min maxing trying to use 1 execute into SS TBLAST
cuz ill overcap rage
glass sequoia
what does this line mean?
does execute have some kind of function at or up to 6 targets?
or do we just use revenge if above 6 targets
next pasture
it means execute does more damage than revenge at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 targets. then revenge is worth more.
fluid widget
yeah but like, what's the vibes? I know my opinion just asking others, also I ha...
It’s the same vibe prot always is. Chill
warm plinth
beside shield
Shield >weapon>embellishments
vague abyss
when is worth to break last season tier? when i can get next tier inmediately?
vague abyss
damn if i have to wait till full tier then ill have to hold a lot in gearing, i guess ill have to wait then
solid sun
Good morning
frigid valley
it means execute does more damage than revenge at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 targets. ...
worth adding to this, execute still more prio dmg even after 6, so its up to what type of dmg u want to do
rigid hull
can i use emblishment on shield?
rigid hull
Shield >>>>>>>>>>> weapon > embellishments
makin shield u convinced me
cant be too greedy
slender grail
Damn why they dont let prot warrior be good class we got nerf 🥲
dusky canopy
makin shield u convinced me
Trust this is the way
rigid hull
what ILVL am i getting tho if i craft right now
dusky canopy
Myth craft shield week one will significantly help you be able to live
Wait for guilded crests
dusky canopy
He could craft with the normal crests I guess but it is a waste technically
Be patient get some guilded on Tuesday make a badass shield
Go tank 10s easy
Winning
wicked jungle
Just craft it gilded week 1
Is this a sort of early gain thing or
Long term I’m not sure if we would want want shield as one of the first crafts when we’re locked on embellishment choices
(belt and wrist slots)
I know embellishments are not that valuable, but
cerulean tusk
It is only a sad time, if you get a m track shield in w2 vault or raid
Shield is the biggest and giga upgrade
wicked jungle
Mhm, so you’re saying it wouldn’t be even worth it to craft an offset and just get a 701/704 shield next week to keep until later on
keen star
It is only a sad time, if you get a m track shield in w2 vault or raid
you would not get that shield if you didnt craft
that's how it works
cerulean tusk
What I am saying is nothing is better than getting as high as possible ilvl shield
solid sun
I personally dislike crafting a shield week 1 because if I craft the shield week 1 and then open my first vault with myth track items in it I'll definitely have a shield in there and that's kinda iffy
next pasture
worth adding to this, execute still more prio dmg even after 6, so its up to wha...
you're right, my tooltips say execute does more damage until 9 targets
frigid valley
not what im saying, revenge does more dmg at 6+, but execture does more dmg on a specific target if you have a prio target u need to kill fast.
next pasture
but when you factor it does more
ah yeah i mean, i would prolly spam revenge just because it doesn't dump rage as much lol
keen star
What I am saying is nothing is better than getting as high as possible ilvl shie...
is it just for DR or does it also increase damage other than the main stat?
cerulean tusk
DR mainly, but it grants a good chunk of dam
Ya got the shield, your defence is 90% done
solid sun
Once you put on a real shield
You're invincible
Unless you turn away from what's attacking you and then you're screwed
vague abyss
we are still doing mountain thane? i got so used to colossus that im using revenge too much probably xD
cerulean tusk
Then you hurry and make videos about doing content "naked", only using a shield and trinkies
Making pwarr nerfed, cause ppl don't get this is how warr works
keen star
I'm concerned that if all I do on week 1 is +10s and heroic prog then I'll be permanently on 100% HP anyway even with a 701 shield
and then a crafted sword would be better
solid sun
Well I don't craft anything week
1
I wait until after my vault on Tuesday and then craft, but if I don't get a shield in that vault I craft shield first
fluid widget
Is this a sort of early gain thing or
Embelllishments are fairly weak and you won’t get a mythic shield until a lucky w2 vault or killing the second boss on mythic. For most folks, the offensive and defensive gains from a shield is 100% worth
I’m also biased since I do prot for m+ but fury for raid so I’m always opening my vault as fury
wicked jungle
Yeah it makes sense for you obviously
But for example if you play fury in raid you would kinda “waste” your spark on the shield, no?
For the sake of the short-to-mid term gain
dusky canopy
Trying to multi spec is a whole different ball game
fluid widget
Yeah it’s a mess
dusky canopy
I personally prioritize raid gearing when trying to multi spec and you have to focus one spec at a time early on or you’ll just not be as optimized as possible
wicked jungle
I have 3 tanks to keep up at the moment, with the third being a DK so no shield - given that we will start mythic in w1 probably I wouldn’t know if it would be the right call to craft the shield
dusky canopy
Depends on goals and level of play