protection

[undone beacon]

Thane with new tier

[proven stratus]

Thane period

[mighty valley]

don't get attached, damage nerfs are likely

but we'll still be good

[blazing shuttle]

Thane gameplay is still funny as fuck

Haha Thunder Blast goes CRACKLING THUNDER SOUNDS

[velvet knot]

thane has gameplay?

[desert brook]

Very nice! 🥰

[proven stratus]

Cheekclapper.exe does indeed

[wooden spruce]

so...do we have recommended talents already?

[mighty valley]

the guides have been updated

[velvet knot]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank

[wooden spruce]

thank you kind people

[ruby musk]

I started as Colossus, I'll die as Colossus.

[velvet knot]

LETS GO BROTHER

DEMOLISH THEM

[rancid tiger]

Big clappa

[fiery badge]

Doesn’t Thane buff execute really hard too

And we have all these new execute talents

[lean tangle]

Are we swapping to thane now or when we get 4 set?

[frosty mango]

When you get 4set

[lean tangle]

Colossus is feeling pretty poopy right now just out the gate.

[bleak breach]

How?

It’s literally the same

[lean tangle]

How is it the same? Our talents are different

[bleak breach]

Our talents are better

[frigid plume]

[bleak breach]

Outside of losing spell block anyway

But honestly would make 0 difference swapping to MT straight up either.

Go nuts

[raw parcel]

Wow, we dropped indom for... execute talents?

[jagged pier]

we drop indom

because its bad

[raw parcel]

Was it changed? Used to be run

[rough egret]

Lower dmg on Revenge

[bleak breach]

What did they change with revenge?

[obsidian otter]

it feels like less rage generation

[bleak breach]

I don’t remember seeing anything

[magic rain]

can we climb back up to max delves this week?

[lofty warren]

Why is thunder clap so weak?

[lean tangle]

For real, playing colossus just questing i feel absolutely starved for rage currently

[bleak breach]

You’re probably playing colossus…

[lofty warren]

No i was looking rotation for mt

[bleak breach]

TC isn’t week, but it’s much stronger when you have a Thunderblast

[mighty valley]

they nerfed it coming into tww and basically every other talent down there is more appealing

just doesn't meaningfully contribute to survival as much as it used to

[mighty valley]

it's just a weak spell when there aren't a million buffs affecting it like in bfa

and rather than buff it directly, thane replaces it with thunder blast

this is why we try not to press it unless we have absolutely no other option as colossus, revenge does a gajillion more damage

[obsidian otter]

Barbaric Training revenge damage lowered from +25% to 20% and i swear bsc got changed as well

[arctic forum]

Is Mountain Thane broke. For anyone else? I can’t put all my talent points in the middle tree

[frosty mango]

This is probably because your base rage pool is higher with talents

I played it extensively on the ptr imo it feels fine, it doesn’t feel any better or worse than today

[frosty mango]

Relog - it’s a known bug

[raw parcel]

Well I miss it 😭

[lofty warren]

Even in aoe

[obsidian otter]

old BSC Revenge deals 10% more damage, or 20% more damage when your successful dodges or parries. so 15% just from those

[mighty valley]

correct

[obsidian otter]

and the free revenges went from +20% to +15%

[lofty warren]

Isn't revenge st?

[mighty valley]

... no?

[lofty warren]

Why is there revenge spender that does aoe and also aoe stomp that is aoe spender that is aoe?

[mighty valley]

pepega how much have you played prot warrior

thunder clap does not cost rage

[lofty warren]

S1 tww

[mighty valley]

it gains 5

[obsidian otter]

you can see the changes here https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-ptr-datamined-class-changes-build-61476-protection-warrior-and-hunter-377342

[bleak breach]

We didn’t use it last tier either, you’ll be fine.

[raw parcel]

It's an iconic talent though! Iconic!

[bleak breach]

There’s a more recent forum of actual live changes

Sadly you want notice it.
It’s been nerfed to the ground.

[lofty warren]

Well Violet outburst says to only use aoe stomp when it's buffed up. And violet outburst can only be eaten by revenge or aoe stomp

[raw parcel]

Granted, not as iconic as losing shield block.

[bleak breach]

Huh

SS uses outburst

[mighty valley]

pepega... you gotta spend less time reading tier lists and more time reading abilities

[bleak breach]

Tc

Not revenge

[mighty valley]

we primarily want to spend outburst on shield slam for the damage and for the biggest rage gain

however, in big aoe, on thane, it can be worth using it on thunder BLAST for the big damage gain

[bleak breach]

Yeah, I think it’s only Thunderblast at 3 or more targets?

[smoky pollen]

Thunderblast also makes monkey brain go brr so you can press it for fun

[neon elk]

I swear to this day im confused wheter that guy is trolling or not

[sharp merlin]

Ahh I love tank discords on patch. The dooming fuels me

[smoky pollen]

I love spamming thunderclap

[solid sun]

Who dooming

[lofty warren]

In here if you have Violet outburst and 10x target and not buffed aoe stomp then you should use ss to consume vb

[mighty valley]

yes

[lofty warren]

And your ss is st.?

[mighty valley]

yes

[lofty warren]

Why aoe stomp so weak that a st ability is better even with 10x targets

[smoky pollen]

What

[sharp gale]

Do you know what is our next tier set ?

[bleak breach]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-ghosts-of-karesh-official-patch-notes-377966

[mighty valley]

outburst shield slams give you so much rage that it's better than a percentage damage buff on a weak ability that barely gives you any rage at all

[bleak breach]

@obsidian otter

[smoky pollen]

Have you played Thane, literally every? It’s basically always TB

[lofty warren]

No what's the tier set

[bleak breach]

If you scroll down to the classes part that’s the current live stuff unless Blizz provides further update

[sharp gale]

Yes and he didn’t even read the tier set once

[ashen kestrel]

it was only a low key but a win is a win considering this guy only saw play as an alt late in the season

this was my last goal for the season - time to full send the prot in s3

[bleak breach]

It says 3

[sharp gale]

And you have a shit ton of thunderblast with tier…

[obsidian otter]

and looks like with show of force removed its -10% more from revenge for a baseline -25%? I hope I am missing somthing and it was not really that much?

[smoky pollen]

Thane had a shit ton of thunder blasts without tier

[bleak breach]

No, they combined it into the free revenge talent

[obsidian otter]

thank you

[bleak breach]

Plus made it easier to play, it just boosts the damage. You don’t need to use one then the other

[lofty warren]

All this sounds like it's better to push aoe stomp instead of ss

[mighty valley]

yes, IF you have a thunder blast proc

which you usually will

[sharp gale]

Im lost stomp is thunderclap or thunderblast

[bleak breach]

Ffs man, just read what people are telling you.

[smoky pollen]

I’m lost in general

[bleak breach]

3+ targets press THUNDERBLAST, less press SHIELD SLAM

It’s literally written in the link where you still wrote the wrong thing

There’s nothing about 10 targets

[solid sun]

Friends

He’s farming yall so hard

[lofty warren]

That's not what it says sokrax

[sharp gale]

Yes we are getting ragebait so hard

[lofty warren]

Omg why rage it's a real q

[bleak breach]

I 100% am and now I’m steaming

[solid sun]

lol

[bleak breach]

You know what

[smoky pollen]

Alright so I big dumb idiot.
Please pepega, in plain language ask the question again.

[lofty warren]

Whatever I'll just follow the rotation and not question

[sharp gale]

Pepega sometime you cross the lines, when you don’t’ even read the screenshot you send yourself, it is not a question, it is a bait in our minds

[bleak breach]

We explained it 15 times now

What do you not understand

[obsidian otter]

old Best Served Cold Revenge deals 10% more damage, or 20% more damage when your successful dodges or parries have made it. New BSC, Your dodges and parries make your Revenge cost no Rage 20% more frequently and increase the damage your free Revenges deal by 15%. Revenge increases the damage of your next Thunder Clap by 8%.

[mighty valley]

you want to use violent outburst asap. it is not worth using on raw thunderclap because the damage and rage gain both suck. so if you don't have a thunderblast charge, and no way to immediately get one, use it on shield slam

does that make sense

[bleak breach]

Well I’ll be stuffed, is a slight nerf to revenge and slight buff to TC

[lofty warren]

What i am saying is that when you have a whole bunch of targets. The correct thing to do to press ss (a st ability) instead of tc (an aoe ability) if you don't have your aoe ability buffed up

And saying that's weirs

[bleak breach]

SS generates way more rage

[smoky pollen]

It is almost exclusively because of the rage economy

[solid sun]

Yes basic thunderclap is a sad ability

[sharp gale]

And ss proc thunderblast

[bleak breach]

It’s all about rage gen and use to get more violent outburst

[obsidian otter]

so the base damage increase from bsc +10% was removed and when added with the +10% from Show of Force Revenge damage increased by 10% and Revenge increases the damage of your next Thunder Clap by 20%.

[solid sun]

You thinking that’s weird is correct because basic thunderclap is awful

[magic rain]

so with us getting a artifact cloak, are we aiming to use crafted slots on bracers and boots?

[obsidian otter]

its -20% from just those 2? right?

[sharp gale]

And it was like that in season 1, I thought you played war

[lean tangle]

Bruh you press TC in ST if you got nothing else to press

[fair beacon]

Heya everyone, just coming back for the new content tomorrow and saw the changes to prot warrior. which hero spec is better now? did they finally nerf colossus enough to be forced into going mountain thane or still colossus rules?

[frigid plume]

there are raid boots that buff the cloak so you prob want to craft bracer and belt

[sharp gale]

Not the boots

[magic rain]

thanks guys

[sharp gale]

It is locked slot for dh raid boss boots

[unique goblet]

Came for the exact same question

[ionic fern]

Colossus until you get new tier, then MT.

[unique goblet]

for M+ and Raid?

[fair beacon]

ah nuts, imma miss demolish 🙁

[ionic fern]

For both

Currently MT tier is just too highly tuned.

[lean tangle]

According to what was posted, thane absolutely dumpsters Colossus, with 4 set*

[ionic fern]

It will get nerfed soon, no doubt.

[sharp gale]

It is still 1 patch note away don’t worry about Col

[lofty warren]

Funny they didn't fix the bug yet. I guess not really a bug but weird situation

[solid sun]

You have the power to stop it

[sharp gale]

STOP THE COUNT

[lofty warren]

Mr mwahi pls stop blizz from nerfing it. I'm abandoning all my other tools so pwar is my only hope

[fair beacon]

Question: I am seeing a good deal of power surrounding the execute, does that mean we take "sudden death" now even in aoe scenarios?

[smoky pollen]

I really like Thane guys, I don’t wanna go back to Colossus 😦

[lean tangle]

Everyone would meat ride DH in high keys. Just let prot do high damage so we can be happy

[ionic fern]

If you're going full on weekly key build, then yes

[fair beacon]

back? you betrated us already? 😄

[smoky pollen]

(I also like Colossus, but not as much)

[sharp gale]

I think if you take the AoE execute talent, you gotta take sudden death

[oak bramble]

WHAT FIBER prot uses

Mastery or crit

or haste

[smoky pollen]

No I actually mained Arms all last season lol

[ionic fern]

This.

[fair beacon]

speaking of arms, anyone tried the pvp yet? arms or fury for this season?

[lofty warren]

Tbh I would like blizz to buff aoe stomp without ant other changes

[bleak breach]

There’s nothing wrong with thunderclap

Ffs

[lean tangle]

Bruh is baiting hold up

[fair beacon]

makes too much noise though 😄

[sharp gale]

And it might be worst gameplay wise to have thunderclap>shield slam

Bc your only solution for not getting gcd lock is that your revenge WILL reset shield slam

If not, gg you are gcd lock and dead

[smoky pollen]

Thunderclap already does a ton of damage yeah? Not like each press but it applies rend to targets?
Like, thunderclap is fine where it is.

Maybe ton is incorrect but it’s fairly well balanced

[sharp gale]

I think he just didn’t get that gaining rage does damage indirectly

[humble rose]

Evenin' gents! Apart from Heavy Handed making Execute actually worth pressing at 3 or less targets, are we expecting any other rotational changes? Currently we only press exe on one target, if I'm correct?

[bleak breach]

Also that Thunderblast exists and the stronger you make TC the stronger Thunderblast will be

[sharp gale]

And you have not a lot of tc to press with tier

[bleak breach]

If you take the talent execute is very strong in aoe

[sharp gale]

It is fun from what I tried

[bleak breach]

Especially on smaller target caps

[smoky pollen]

Just likely feels like Obliterate cleaving

[lofty warren]

Revenge >= execute thoufh?

[smoky pollen]

No chance am I falling for this one.

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-powerpuff-powerpuff-girls-mad-fire-gif-6830673407618742614

[sharp gale]

From vague memory nome have talked about 8 targets (might misremember) for AoE execute / I don’t’ remember if it was with the 15% dmg talent

I wouldn’t quote myself on that

[lofty warren]

Right there it says to fish higher

[bleak breach]

It simply just depends which hero spec you’re playing and if you’re using aoe execute.

[sharp gale]

Might be out of date
#protection message

[humble rose]

Is this up to date?

Only because Heavy Handed isn't in the tickboxes above

Which would suggest it's possible not up-to-date

[lofty warren]

Think so

The guide isn't updated?

[lofty warren]

This is after mt is chosen

[frigid plume]

prio list prob isn't updated

thane aoe execute hits about 5x as hard as shield slam so its worth pressing in most situations

[lofty warren]

Is icyveins updated?

[humble rose]

Hopefully the rotation page gets sorted in general this patch, it's been driving me silently nuts

[bleak breach]

What do you mean?

Whats wrong with it?

[lofty warren]

@strong forum sir is the rotation page up to date?

[bleak breach]

Just check the date

[solid sun]

Today is the 5th of August

Did I help

[humble rose]

The Colossus and Mountain Thane buttons making an Opener and a Rotation appear, but each with their own tick boxes, AoE is just a guess as there's no AoE rotation etc.

Just general, neat and tidy fixes as the other class pages have, that's all

[bleak breach]

Aoe is just cds, spam TC in MT and revenge to apply deep wounds

Then spam revenge in colossus and tc to apply rend

[humble rose]

Yes yes, but ON the rotation page

I'm not confused about it myself

I just want the page updated properly as it's been cooked the whole patch

[lofty warren]

@humble rose looks like icyveins is updated

[ashen kestrel]

for m+, is the play next season gonna be colossus all the way until we get 4 set and then switch? or is 2 set enough?

[bleak breach]

It’s the same as the wowhead one lol

[inner arch]

we sacbrooding again this season?

[bleak breach]

It’s good

[lofty warren]

This has 14 icyveins has 10 how is it the same

[bleak breach]

Can pretty much just run tome and pacemaker still

Raid trink if you get it

[bleak breach]

Just slightly more detail

Just check the date mate, it’s not that hard. Updated 05/08 says Prot warrior 11.2 use whichever you like.

They’re the same thing

[lofty warren]

If he changed 1 letter then it would show it was updated

[bleak breach]

It shows it’s updated by the 11.2 and the date

[strong forum]

Colossus until 4pc

[strong forum]

Rotation didn't change, so yes

Just a small add-on for S3 tier for thane

Otherwise it plays like it always has

[ashen kestrel]

thanks Nome

[solid sun]

idr us talking about how we want to sneak in sexecutes as colossus

i assume def higher prio than revenge so just send it and have so much fun

[bleak breach]

Think same as normal rhino

[strong forum]

Ye ig I could add that

[bleak breach]

Just use as possible in ST especially

[lofty warren]

Rotation is up to date confirmed and above execute for fishing @rhjno

[humble rose]

A new execute talent for AoE, a new tier set with hero specific bonuses, and not a single rotational change? Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I'm just confused how we've had a decent talent change finally and nothing to show for it rotationally

[ruby musk]

Why do we take disrupting shout over best served cold?

[warm plinth]

Because it doesn't actually increase base Revenge damage anymore so it's the best thing to give up for it.

[humble rose]

In M+? Probably because it's one of our only two pieces of utility

Budget sigil of silence, but it works

[lusty grotto]

arguably better than silence since it has a lockout

shool lock etc

you just cant blanket it like sigil

and/or aim it

@solid sun help im stuck in havoc jail

[solid sun]

lol you’re a havoc now?

[lusty grotto]

for splits

[solid sun]

How geared is it

[lusty grotto]

675

same as nimchipadin

but chipadin is on the casual/weekend guild

i wanted to do fdk, but i didnt have time to gear it

[solid sun]

I can help you gear it

If it isn’t too late

[lusty grotto]

nah its late, im just stuck with it for now

[lofty warren]

So can the mt aoe rotation be trusted?

[bleak breach]

Omfg

Nothing changed

[warm plinth]

It's the same rotation as its always been

[bleak breach]

Just do the same thing

[lusty grotto]

pepega are you memeing again?

[solid sun]

Bro he has been FARMING them today

[lusty grotto]

yeah hes memeing

[lofty warren]

No. Grey raised concerns about whether any changes

[lusty grotto]

1guying all day huh

[rigid hull]

i kinda dont get the "execute"prio

if revenge is prio over execute

[bleak breach]

Ahh the dreaded splits Nim

[rigid hull]

then we never use execute

[analog lantern]

I heard there's rotations to that there rotation you guys

[lusty grotto]

whats going on here with "rotations" lol

is this classic

i thought i played vanilla 18 years ago

if revenge is prio, on what hero talent, under what context

these are important

also

TARGET COUNT

[warm plinth]

I bet it has been fun in here the last few hours

[lusty grotto]

even with exe cleave

[solid sun]

Pep has been baiting dudes for hours

[lofty warren]

Yea apparently execute is poo poo just press revenge

[solid sun]

Harrow earnestly answering him while they’re surrounded by people getting so heated has actually made today pretty fun

[rigid hull]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOAUVBRFUgYVIpRUBBNVUVFRFEGVUVFRCUAEFVVUCAQ this talent

[solid sun]

But tbf not everyone is in here all the time to witness his bit

[flat tundra]

where tf is the world boss

[bleak breach]

Doesn’t come out until next week

[flat tundra]

oh, thought people were saying it was out week 1 this patch

I know normally it isnt

[bleak breach]

I’m just confused if he’s like 200iq troll or the opposite

I’m starting to lean on the troll side

[lusty grotto]

why is revenge prio

youre MT

revenge is not prio at all over exec

[rigid hull]

was on the rotation list

thats why i was confused

[lusty grotto]

of course it will be

it hasnt changed

[lofty warren]

Icyveins says for aoe don't touch execute ever for mt aoe and press execute in st here so still need to keep it on bars

[lusty grotto]

ty pepega

that's been the case since s1, it wasnt in DF cause execute hit like a wet noodle

even though ST execute was higher prio in exe range

if youre not playing SD

[rigid hull]

why take the "heavy handed" talent tho if we are not using exe for cleave

[lusty grotto]

execute isnt available outside of exe range, so why is it a question

wat

READ YOUR TALENTS

execute caps at 3 targets

when will you execute over revenge then?

[lofty warren]

It don't even matter bc in aoe you never press it

[lusty grotto]

its super simple to figure out

[bleak breach]

It’s actually pretty good in aoe

Does a lot more then revenge, it’s the big pumper damage build atm

[warm plinth]

Are we swapping to thane after tier or now? Haven't kept up because I'm bad

[lusty grotto]

after tier yes

[bleak breach]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

not before

[solid sun]

With tier

[lofty warren]

If you push execute in aoe then why is it not in rotation list

[solid sun]

I think sexecute (cleave execute) beats everything except outburst TB up to 8 targets

Unless something changed

[lofty warren]

Vaaat that's not what the rotation says

[rigid hull]

thats why i got confused

else its ez to figure out when to use it

[bleak breach]

Well you can only use it only mobs in execute range or sudden death so it’s not going to have a high usage.

[mighty valley]

it's on the image you posted, just says 3 targets

where the exact number is probably fuzzier

depending on how high prio targets are etc

[lusty grotto]

its day 0

[mighty valley]

use your brain

[lusty grotto]

and you guys are optimizing for... story mode and m0s?

i mean just try it and figure it out

[solid sun]

No I’m eating dinner

[bleak breach]

I mean you’ve only gotta look at ptr to know what’s been working

[solid sun]

Grilled shrimp and rice

[lofty warren]

Whatt. Can't image just use the priority list and not think?

[mighty valley]

i'm really sorry that you have to think a little

[old flame]

If you truly think the guide is wrong just run some dungeons and do basic math with the logs, but the low tier bait is

[lofty warren]

Only press execute on st never in aoe the aoe talent is just maybe some benefit but it's so low priority that probably low value

[lusty grotto]

wrong, but ok

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-bear-kill-myself-cartoon-gif-13827769

[mighty valley]

it's a rage filler option that's better than revenge on low-medium target numbers

and when prio targets need to die fast

[rigid hull]

ye got it

i realised what i needed to do the list just confused me which i came asking in here

[bleak breach]

If you’re confused just play bloodborne

[lusty grotto]

youre not exactly new Fooshaz

[bleak breach]

The gap isn’t super dramatic and you’ll get much better effect then stuffing up execute build.

[humble rose]

It's not difficult to figure it out yourself, that's true. However, when you've got theorycrafters and sim geniuses, you shouldn't really HAVE to figure it out yourself, it should just be written down

[mighty valley]

yeah, that's a great game, i agree

[lofty warren]

Thank you for the explanation that I understand

[fluid widget]

Pepega have you read the Wowhead rotation

[lusty grotto]

pepega memes a lot

its normal

[humble rose]

Previously it was Execute only on 2 or fewer targets, I believe that's 3 now per the Wowhead page, without Heavy Handed and playing as Colossus

[lusty grotto]

grey taking pepega seriously lol

oof

[humble rose]

I'm elaborating

I'm sure there's a general chat for memes

[bleak breach]

Grey, simply aoe execute goes brrr in MT

[lusty grotto]

how new are you

[rigid hull]

i pretty much forgot execute can also reset shield slam last time i played prot war was s4 dragonflight and only like 2-3 dungeons in s1 war within

everyhting makes sense now

[bleak breach]

Spam it once you can outside of SS and TB

[humble rose]

I understand that, and thank you, I look forward to trying it

But my point earlier was that the rotational page should contain this kind of information

[lusty grotto]

for day 0?

[solid sun]

Pepega’s memes are for us

[humble rose]

Whereas it just doesn't, and a lot of it is "feel it out yourself"

[solid sun]

Not for everyone

[lusty grotto]

you realize our guide writers are EU right?

[humble rose]

No, even the prior patch

[lusty grotto]

for what

for pve and m0s?

[humble rose]

For Mythic Raiding and +12's

[lusty grotto]

but there's nothing of that this week

[old flame]

Didn't know M+ and the raid were out this week, poggers

[lusty grotto]

and things are indoubtably gonna change

[humble rose]

I don't follow the list exactly and I've gotten 99s on mythic bosses, because, as you said, you gotta feel it out yourself

[bleak breach]

Nim it doesn’t really matter when

[humble rose]

But it shouldn't be that way

[bleak breach]

It’s still the same

[humble rose]

But we've been told they don't

[lusty grotto]

my point is its not a high prio for them because there's no current usage

[humble rose]

I swear the guide writer said that an hour or two ago

[frigid spire]

anyone got a Talent build for Colo for ST

[bleak breach]

If you’re getting 99s on mythic bosses a rotation guide is irrelevant to you

[bleak breach]

Wowhead

[humble rose]

I agree, but when you're trying to teach someone something, it doesn't help when the info is faulty

[lusty grotto]

rotationally no? but thane is probably gonna get nerfed

[humble rose]

"Don't follow this prio, follow this because it does more damage and is probably better" shouldn't be something someone has to say

[lusty grotto]

bro they are confused about execute usage

which is outlined in guides as to when in case that wasnt simple to figure out

[frigid spire]

thats all MT

[humble rose]

Okay so currently exe is only used at 3 or less targets because Revenge is better used at 4 or more, correct?

[bleak breach]

Nope, there’s a tab for each

[bleak breach]

No

[humble rose]

So with Heavy Handed, does the damage to 3 mobs with Exe outweight the damage to 4 mobs with Revenge? As Colossus let's say

[lofty warren]

I'm talking about mr

Mt

[bleak breach]

Colossus is playing bloodborne

[humble rose]

MT is going to get nerfed because it's too easy

[lusty grotto]

no

[bleak breach]

MT plays execute

[warm plinth]

It's not just about the damage of the individual ability. e.g. at 3 targets, Revenge also grants colossal might stacks

[bleak breach]

^

[humble rose]

Correct, there's a lot of nuance to it

[lusty grotto]

MT isnt going to get nerfed because its "too easy", its tier was just over buffed

[humble rose]

But that's not avaliable anywhere to read

[solid sun]

There’s currently an execute build for colossus labeled as weekly keys

[warm plinth]

I mean if you wanted to read the why behind the rotation guide, then you could ask Nome. I wouldn't really expect that to be included.

[solid sun]

I mentioned that we hadn’t discussed what that would look like

Nome said he could add something for that

[lusty grotto]

Ghjash

they want it NOW

lol

[warm plinth]

Oh, my bad

[lusty grotto]

pre-patch even

[humble rose]

The why should really be in the rotational guide, No?

[jagged gust]

Ahhh, this is what I love coming back to in a diacussion

[humble rose]

Like it's a guide of WHY to press what and when

[bleak breach]

Okay you’re trolling too

[warm plinth]

Other than like...the guide writers that write a scientific thesis of a guide, very few writers explain the why behind every rotational decision.

[jagged gust]

The why is cuz numbers go bigger

[warm plinth]

If you want guides like that, see Preheat's devoker guide. That'll scratch the itch.

[solid sun]

Ew

[lusty grotto]

there is an explanation to it, but you cant fault nome or mwahi for taking their time, again, because there's absolutely jack shit to optimize for THIS WEEK

[solid sun]

Who would wanna read all that

[lusty grotto]

its lower prio

they are human

[humble rose]

I'm not talking about this week

Even the previous was a bit naff

[lusty grotto]

what

huh

[humble rose]

What I just said lad

[lusty grotto]

lad

it was pretty spot on

for s2

and for s1

just not in day 0

[lofty warren]

I like the way you think. Explanation good for us who werent playing pwar daily on ptr

[lusty grotto]

why are you so adamant about it being updated this early

are you paying them for these guides?

are you the owner of wowhead or icyveins?

[humble rose]

I've never asked that

[lusty grotto]

its implied

youre demanding explanation

and while we can agree that its good to have

[bleak breach]

If it’s that difficult just use the 1 button

[humble rose]

I'm asking a question, and it's been expanded upon

I don't need the guide today, who cares

But what I'm asking is about an exe question, and it's gone on further

[solid sun]

Le sigh

So wait

What do you think is lacking about the rotational guide for execute

[humble rose]

Happy to repeat

Currently we're pressing Exe in Colossus for 3 or fewer mobs, and Revenge for 4 or more as our Rage spender after SS - All I asked was that, if Heavy Handed is taken, When does the damage for 3 mobs with Execute get outweighed by Revenge? 4 still? That doesn't seem right, so is it 5 now, 6 etc.

Then the conversation went into the guide not mentioning certain things etc.

[lusty grotto]

that will depend on when numbers are finalized

i.e. sims

[jagged gust]

With cleave talents that portion of the guide is now also outdated

[humble rose]

Logical, but Nome said "No rotational change besides a little thing for MT" and then I asked a why, and now we're at the why etc.

[warm plinth]

We do not press Execute at 3 or fewer mobs. We press it at fewer than 3 mobs.

[solid sun]

So just to clarify a little bit

[humble rose]

Yes, you're correct, mistyped

[solid sun]

Because it may have been missed

[bleak breach]

Main difference for colossus is just stacking colossal might

[solid sun]

I mentioned in here earlier after seeing that there was a colossus weekly key featuring sexecutes that we hadn’t really discussed that here

The focus had been on MT sexecutes

And Nome mentioned he could add something for that

[humble rose]

I believe that was after

Pepe asked about Rotational changes, and Nome said No but the little thing for MT

He used the reply for him

[nimble glen]

Is there a clear cut better spec atm between colossus/thane for both raid and m+?

[humble rose]

And then you did ask about something with sexecutes

[jagged gust]

I mean not replying to Pepe is always the right move

[solid sun]

That in addition to what Nimchip said leads me to believe that will be something that is added eventually.

Yes what I asked was afterwards

Because I am an idiot so I can provide the proper perspective for these questions

The smart ones don’t always know what it’s like

[humble rose]

I can understand that all too well

I just wanna do the max damage possible, so I don't exactly follow the guide to a T (I don't press Thunder Clap unless Rend will fall off or there's nothing else to press) and I was hoping for some further explanation from smart people regarding the new talent and Execute usage when they set their eyes on the simc (https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW3_Raid.html)

[warm plinth]

Locus-Walker: Refers to Demensius as Demensius the All-Devouring every. single. time.
Also Locus-Walker: "Windrunner!" because he can't even say Alleria's full name.

[solid sun]

I do think I agree with Doot though

[warm plinth]

That Locus-Walker's name choices are weird?

[solid sun]

I feel like the guide is primarily about what we press as opposed to why we press it

[humble rose]

I think I asked ages ago about a section on why, because I personally believe why is very important

But didn't get much from it

Even an old mans rambling would've been nice, like those wild google docs people did back in Legion

[lusty grotto]

you mean the EJ guides

[warm plinth]

Plus if you read in the part about colossal might and Revenge, it says that Revenge is even better at 3+ targets due to seismic and giving CM stacks. So to me that makes sense that we really want to press Revenge at 3 targets for that reason, which is why Execute is 2 or fewer.

[humble rose]

Do tell

[lusty grotto]

legion docs were just an evolution of EJ guides

EJ guides were the norm before "legion"

legion is when this disc was born

[humble rose]

That does make sense, but I'm curious if the new HH talent will outweigh that a bit

Maybe just push Revenge up to 5+ targets, but just curiosity

[lusty grotto]

whether the damage outweighs or not is dependent on sims and logs

[humble rose]

Indeed, shame we don't have any logs, and I can't read that sim for shit

[frigid plume]

the problem with 'why' questions for rotations is that the ultimate answer to most of them is 'because this sims higher'

[lusty grotto]

well, we'll have the answer soon, just not right off the bat

[humble rose]

Stuff like this makes me think Execute is the dogs bollocks

[warm plinth]

And if we don't, I think it'd be more reasonable to ask at that time

[humble rose]

But it's also just confusing

To me, I'd say Execute with SD right after SS

But the guide says nope

Doesn't even mention SD

[lofty warren]

soo... when TF should I push execute as MT? sounds like that is not known yet?

[humble rose]

Seems so my friend

Well, Exe does more damage than Revenge on 1 target

That's a fact

Multi-target is a little different

[bleak breach]

Omfg

As mountain thane you barely press revenge at all

Execute is prio outside of applying deep wounds in aoe

[humble rose]

Not even during the Execute phase? You'd still try and feed the AM loop?

*Using IP

[bleak breach]

Wrote wrong ability

Execute almost always prio

[lofty warren]

if I read wowhead I am lead to believe that I should like always ignore execute and just push revenge to fish for procs

[warm plinth]

Procs of what

[humble rose]

I see what you're saying, and I kinda agree it's unclear

[warm plinth]

and are you talking about thane or colossus

[humble rose]

Thane

He's straight Thane

According to the guide, You'd just never press Execute because you'd never get to step 13

Step 12 being a dead end

[bleak breach]

It’s exactly what I said

[warm plinth]

I agree that could be made more clear

[bleak breach]

Why would execute be high prio when you can only use it like 10% of a fight

[humble rose]

The "Why" section usually makes sense of this stuff, but we don't have one

[warm plinth]

But you could also interpret it to be okay you're not pressing it in ST for the deep wounds part, and Execute also gives resets

[humble rose]

So it's just full reliance on the Rotation

[lofty warren]

HIGH PRIORITY DOES NOT MEAN IT IS AVAILABLE all the time

[warm plinth]

So in ST, you'd press it over Revenge

[humble rose]

Personally, I press Execute if it's usable, and Revenge if it's not (If Deep Wounds is found)

1-2 zug zug

One Target, MT, After SS and TC

For clarity

[sharp gale]

There is a minimum rage to have to not die, but yeah it is execute zug zug mostly

[humble rose]

Nope, Not my job, Healers job

[jagged gust]

With like 5 if statements

[humble rose]

Parse or nothing

[jagged gust]

Like if you had 40 rage and 2 targets as mt, exe is still dangerous to press in that situation unless you have something else banked to hold up your next 1-2 gcds

[lusty grotto]

you know usually when people are anal about having strict conditions, they are working on combat bots

[humble rose]

Yeah that's true, I'd not press Exe unless I had about 50-60 rage, enough to easily get a SB asap if needed

[lusty grotto]

which btw

[humble rose]

But again, lots of WHY intended, but nothing written down

[lusty grotto]

is heavily frowned upon

if not bannable in here

[sharp gale]

Yes I was not saying you need max rage, it’s just to prevent gcd lock or be able to shield block

[jagged gust]

Keeping SB up as mt isn't really an issue, I generally have to use it to blow through my rage because I'm about to cap, ss is off CD and IP is on cd

[humble rose]

Just WAs for a shiny proc on when to press

[sharp gale]

Oh yeah SD is free real estate

(I liked juggernaut btw I’m little sad)

[humble rose]

Should be longer so we can game it more

Like the buff duration, SD doesn't proc often enough

At least not for me

[jagged gust]

Should be something like 2.5 ppm with recommended haste

Pretty awful tbh

[humble rose]

30 seconds buff, bring back 15 stacks

[frigid plume]

juggernaut sucked because it just gave you free damage for playing normally and punished you for having to leave the boss for any reason

[humble rose]

All I read was free damage, I'm sorry

[frigid plume]

and it was so much damage it was hard to balance it against people picking an alernate talent

the game doesn't need more incentive for people to try to weasel out of doing raid mechanics

[jagged gust]

Raids have mechanics?

[humble rose]

He's trolling you, Tanking doesn't have any but a taunt swap

[jagged gust]

Figured as much, me continue to zugzug

[humble rose]

The circles on the floor and just markers for you to stand in so your healers can parse higher

[jagged gust]

Circles proc my tier set

[humble rose]

Teamwork

[jagged gust]

Stand in circles always

[humble rose]

Will this outright kill me? No? Then I will not move

If it does.. Well, healer external missing, FF

[jagged gust]

Jugg fell off at 36%? Be a shame if I pointed this frontal at the entire raid

[humble rose]

"Please don't stand in front of the boss"

[orchid mural]

anyone have the shield slam // Ignore Pain macro handy?

[jagged gust]

Innit in the pins?

[orchid mural]

naw

nevermind, found it

[humble rose]

Could I ask what for?

[jagged gust]

Oh t's gone

[humble rose]

I usually macro SB with IP back when I was learning

[lusty grotto]

its to consume SS resets

[jagged gust]

I don't like the macro personally

[humble rose]

IP is off the GCD so that'd feel weird

[lusty grotto]

huh

[orchid mural]

u mean SS 😄

[lusty grotto]

yeah SS

[jagged gust]

Catches me off guard every now and then, think I'm gonna press shield charge, nope, gcd

[humble rose]

Just wouldn't want to risk double pressing IP if SS was on CD and I didn't notice

[lusty grotto]

what

you dont double press IP

it has an ICD

[frigid plume]

you don't replace SS with this macro, you replace IP with this macro

[lusty grotto]

and you certainly do not use it to SS

[molten arch]

i donno if anyone has asked this yet but do we place col. til we get new 4 piece then switch to thang?

[frigid plume]

yes

[molten arch]

0k ty

[humble rose]

So you press it to IP, and if the GCD is free, you also SS?

[lusty grotto]

has been asked, but yes

[lusty grotto]

yes

[humble rose]

I guess it kinda stops the weaving in between GCDs

I don't like that personally :D

[lusty grotto]

too bad

most of us use it

and SB + SS as well

[humble rose]

Really???

That's common here?

[frigid plume]

ya thse macros have no downside

[lusty grotto]

weaving is not really a thing in WoW

since haste exists

[humble rose]

Fair, I didn't know people used stuff like that

[lusty grotto]

a thing as in FFXIV

[solid sun]

I don’t macro SS and sb

[humble rose]

I just press it whilst the GCD is going

It felt natural, but maybe I'll try it

[lusty grotto]

im so confused

the gcd is hastened

[humble rose]

It still exists?

[lusty grotto]

with lust, do you think you can weave ip and ss?

what

it never stopped existing

[humble rose]

Yes?

That wasn't a question, Sorry

I meant, the GCD does exists and pressing IP whilst it's going is easy

[lusty grotto]

with lust and high haste

with lust and high haste

[humble rose]

But I then said I'll try it since people seem to like it, why not

[solid sun]

I don’t press SB at all I use that rage for revenge

[lusty grotto]

i dont think hes reading everything im typing

either that or my brain is fried

[humble rose]

I can read just fine, and yes, even with haste and lust

[frigid plume]

if you are at like a .8s global you are going to be able to perform better having .8s to pick a button rather than .4 seconds to pick two different buttons

[humble rose]

I'm not pressing one button person second

Or per 0.8

[lusty grotto]

you must be a god

[humble rose]

I'm pressing like 5 a second because I have ADHD

[lusty grotto]

or a combat bot

[solid sun]

I use the SS and ip macro

[humble rose]

Like League, you spam the buttons until you get the result

Same in Wow, Love that sound feedback too

[lusty grotto]

this game is not league

spell queueing exists

latency

[gentle violet]

@humble rose Your profile pic and banner are a vibe. Very thematically accurate.

[lusty grotto]

youre 100% missing gcds during high haste

[humble rose]

Thank you, love the emblem you're rocking

[gentle violet]

Kings, we are

[solid sun]

Wait am I missing gcds because I’m not macroing shield block into shield slam

Or do I need to go take a nap

[humble rose]

Apparently so

And IP

[solid sun]

Since there’s nothing to do this week

[lusty grotto]

no

[humble rose]

But I'll try the macro, nobody likes missing GCDs

[lusty grotto]

yeah you might be

sorry Rhino

[solid sun]

Ah that’s fine

I’m sure I’m doing worse things

[rich dragon]

Is the world boss belt with max upgrades better then the delv belt or nah?

[humble rose]

Nothing is worse than breaking the ABC rule

[lusty grotto]

nah

[rich dragon]

ok

[solid sun]

I think you should sim it

[glad crater]

I never thought of doing this, it's not bad

[craggy jolt]

which socket for cloak we taking? haste right

[lusty grotto]

correct

[solid sun]

Im not gonna do it

[craggy jolt]

thank u sir

[humble rose]

It does feel hard to believe that people are taking a full 0.8 seconds to press SB or IP, and then missing a GCD because they're not reaching SS or TC within that 0.8

But, I could be completely wrong

[solid sun]

The SS and IP macro makes a ton of sense

[humble rose]

Still assuming the 0.8 is the very cap of GCD

[frigid plume]

the game cap is 0.75 but i dunno if we hit it or not

[solid sun]

But like sometimes you might be sipping on a margarita during a key

So a macro can be helpful

[humble rose]

Can't press shift with a drink in my hand

[solid sun]

Use your nose

[raw parcel]

So Thane is better than Colossus now due to damage, how much of it being better is down to better execute?

[humble rose]

Welcome

[lusty grotto]

no, its better than colossus when you get the new tier

[solid sun]

It’s the tier set

[lusty grotto]

its not better "now"

[solid sun]

You’re so much faster than me

[lusty grotto]

dont play it until next week

[solid sun]

How do you do that

[humble rose]

That 4 set is doing WORK

[raw parcel]

Oh, got it!

[errant wagon]

how is it for M+? a bit confused on what the recommendation is for dungeoning

[lusty grotto]

its better for everything once you get the new tier

if youre doing dungeons NOW, you go colossus

[raw parcel]

Got it, thanks!

[errant wagon]

is it being recommended to just not use Fueld by Violence then even though it got buffed up?

[humble rose]

Colossus uses it

[lusty grotto]

this is going to be the case until MT gets nerfed btw

[humble rose]

For M+ before Tier

[raw parcel]

😮 Thanks for that! That helps!

[lusty grotto]

MT benefits more from BrV due to rage intake

[glad crater]

We wait till 2 pieces or 4 pieces to go MT?

[humble rose]

4 is doing the work, so I assume 4

[jagged gust]

Go MT immediately to get practice in

It's a lot higher APM

[rich dragon]

-10k dps Heroic or Myth belt prolly gonna be better

[solid sun]

Hell yeah

[jagged gust]

and slightly different APL

[solid sun]

William

Don’t you ever just vibe

[jagged gust]

fuck no

[solid sun]

The white doggy in your pfp is saying “please vibe”

[jagged gust]

those are actually rez dogs

no clue who's they were, they just walked up to me as a pack in a field in the middle of nowhere when I was snowmobiling

[solid sun]

What’s a Rez dog

Did you bring them back to life

[cerulean tusk]

[solid sun]

Reservation?

Like in Yellowstone

[jagged gust]

yeah basically

the rez

usually a lot of wildish dogs just kinda wandering them

My brother once saw a pack led by a chihuahua whos entire snout was dripping with blood

[gentle violet]

Is Thunder Clap grouped in with Thunder Blast here or is it not even on here.

[lofty warren]

I read that colossas is required before tier and see it had an extra keybind compared to mt?? Don't even have keybind to put demolish

[agile elbow]

Not having BoF on monk is weird. It feels like I have nothing to press for the rotation. Lol.

[mighty valley]

Required???

[jagged gust]

pepega

[mighty valley]

For m0s???

I don’t know why I keep trying to reach this lad

[agile elbow]

[lofty warren]

Well it's will be a while until we get 4pc

[modest burrow]

are we still playing colossus until tier in M+?

[jagged gust]

It's like trying to have a conversation with a One Piece character

[lofty warren]

So like that means you have to do m10s as colassas

[lusty grotto]

sure

[jagged gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owM5EO7KcaQ

Pepega is Luffy-coded

[bleak breach]

Week 1 ez

Get KSM or Aotc and beg for the rest

[lethal knoll]

what fiber for cloak everyone running?

[lusty grotto]

haste

[gloomy silo]

the mountain thane m+ build isnt running the new fueled by violence?

why?

[lusty grotto]

cause thane is bette wirh BrV

[gloomy silo]

I thought it was huge healing

[lusty grotto]

more rage intake

[lusty grotto]

no

it got tuned down

[gloomy silo]

wouldn't that suggest you grab bloodsurge then if your prioritizing rage gain?

[bleak breach]

No

[lusty grotto]

no

thane has no rage issues

[bleak breach]

Bloodsurge sucks

[lusty grotto]

is the whole point

[gloomy silo]

ahh

[frosty mango]

https://wago.io/ZqXZUJpu4

If/when torkal updates his I'll be taking mine down so FYI

[lofty warren]

how

[bleak breach]

Catalyst, token from 2k rating then get lucky on 2 pieces between LFR, norm and heroic

[solid sun]

@lusty grotto do you have to do lfr

[lusty grotto]

no

im doing delves atm

[solid sun]

Whew

How do y’all handle normal? Splits for that also?

I’ve never been in a mythic group before so idk how that stuff tends to go

[lusty grotto]

yea

[errant plinth]

When do you unlock the cloak in campgain? And how do you get cloak for alts … each has to do the campaign or is their a “do once & done” aspect?

[lusty grotto]

week 1 splits are for normal for tier for healers andt anks

and then heroic for dps tier

sorry, week 2

[lusty grotto]

theres no skip this week

[quiet sentinel]

based on the tier sets what would be more viable hero talent for m+ push or are both equal at this point?

[lusty grotto]

colossus until you get the new tier

then you hard swap to MT

[quiet sentinel]

interesting, ok noted

[solid sun]

And then after nerfs who knows

[quiet sentinel]

pls no nerfs

im tanking first tier for m+ group and i just got to 15s last season

[solid sun]

Congrats

[lusty grotto]

you can play whatever you want, but if you want to optimize you colossus with s2 tier, and MT with s3 tier

[bleak breach]

Any nerf will just bring mt and colossus nearly level I think

I assume they’re trying to keep MT ahead so we rotate MT-Colossus-MT

[lusty grotto]

ideally thats what would happen

[sharp gale]

I hope it will be aura nerf + Col buff

[solid sun]

You know I forgot that I'm not getting myth brand

So I don't have to worry about the combat aspect anyways

idk how I forgot that, but alas. Here we are

[worthy lichen]

s2 is terrible right? Replace for any ilvl?

s2 tier*

[lusty grotto]

no

s2 is anything but terrible

[bleak breach]

What do the aura nerf though?

The only nerfs they can do is to the hero tree or Thunderblast

Everything else is shared

[sharp gale]

Aura nerf prot bc we do too much damage and buff Col to compensate

because there are not only prot who use the tier set and play thane

[bleak breach]

Just buff other tank damage

[sharp gale]

You gotta buff some dps too with how much we do

[bleak breach]

Stuff em

Just get good

5% or something wouldn’t hurt us though

How close is Brew? Everyone was on about how much damage it would do and all that. Now everyone is just still PWar does too much damage.

[worthy lichen]

im getting 10-15% uptime on it, but maybe im missing something

[lusty grotto]

you are

SC resets are whats good

not whatever buff youre tracking

not to mention the added SS damage and rage

if you want to replace it, be prepared to have big SB uptime gaps

[worthy lichen]

k

[sharp gale]

sims are not complete yet for a lot of specs

[lusty grotto]

it also only procs on damage taken

this aint s1 tier

its a good tier

we're only swapping to MT after 4pc

[worthy lichen]

oh really? hmm

[lusty grotto]

yes you should be colossus all the way through

if you care for aoe damage

[waxen cradle]

I wonder if they will let MT tuning last past the RWF or even that long

[lusty grotto]

anything is possible, the colossus thing lasted the entire season

[waxen cradle]

Yeah this is true

I still find it hilarious they have in every literal meaning tuned dungeons to the point of having taken a huge margin of our magic damage reduction away

Though I still find there stance fundamentally flawed... if you tune with that mentality in mind you only stand to guarantee those tanks that handle magic damage well will excell

So as I stated in the forums it is a flawed mentality

[lusty grotto]

my biggest problem with their tuning is that most tanks strong against magic are the tanks that have the biggest self sustain

or on demand self sustain

[sharp gale]

yes because realistically, the "dangerous" magic damage are dots

the really dangerous ones, so i understand why there is a correlation with self sustain

[lusty grotto]

historically, i dont think that was the case

but in modern wow, i see your point

[sharp gale]

even rixxa melees, you can picture it as a dot

[waxen cradle]

We will see how things play out I suppose as according to the dev opinions what could us meager players know

[prisma crane]

it's best i don't speak

[sharp gale]

i played bdk quite a lot early S2, so my brain is little biased on "good magic tanks", bc death strike fried my neurones

[waxen cradle]

I can even on one hand give a small allowance to the devs in maybe we are not seeing the whole picture of what there plans are, but that in itself is part of the problem they have created so we will see I suppose.

[prisma crane]

the same devs that clearly never play prot warr?

[waxen cradle]

@prisma crane True but at this point you almost have to look for the slighest hint of a silver lining as they are clearly not budging on there stance or what they "think" is right

[sharp gale]

i will not judge the tree change and spell block removable before i try it myself personnally

[prisma crane]

"history" repeating itself on a blizzard timeline is an extremely tight circle

[bleak breach]

Depends if it actually hurts is long term or not really

We’re probably going to be fine

[sharp gale]

that's my thoughts tbf

we're going to be fine

[waxen cradle]

@prisma crane Agreed and all I can do at this point is attempt to be optimistic and play the warrior anyway as Blizzard has shown again how little regard they have for the player base

[sharp gale]

so idc really

[bleak breach]

Max and co seem to think they will be running atleast 1 PWar as tank, so if that’s the case there’s clearly no drama

[sharp gale]

max don't talk about rwf comp

[bleak breach]

Huh?

[prisma crane]

plus that likely says more about the state of dps warr than prot warr, typ they take tanks based on buffs

[sharp gale]

and if he does, he is baiting

[bleak breach]

They were all hinting at it anyway in the tier list stream

Also had PWar on a tier above for raid

[sharp gale]

you think all his guild is forbidden to talk about their classes for no reason ?

[sharp gale]

do you understand he knows exactly how good every specs are, before doing the tierlist ?

and even when ppl talk, do you understand, HIM, he knows perfectly

[bleak breach]

I mean yeah? You wouldn’t do a tierlist if you didn’t have some understanding

Like we’re saying the same thing

[sharp gale]

i don't think so

i mean, his job is to hide his real thoughts about the classes

[mighty valley]

how are people in this discord still finding a way to doom in our current state

go pet a dog

[prisma crane]

history

[mighty valley]

we were fine to good this entire expansion

[sharp gale]

yes, i'm really curious where the "brew" topic come from tbf

it's been few days ppl talk about brew idk why

[waxen cradle]

Oh I am far from dooming I am being optimistic about Prot Warrior, but does that optimism extend to trusting Blizzard.... OH not even for a second

[bleak breach]

Are you implying me? I said nothing negative

I don’t get why you’re on your high horse

[sharp gale]

Not at all

[bleak breach]

I literally just asked if anyone knew how close they were damage wise because I’d heard they were doing really well damage wise too.

[sharp gale]

It is a topic who appeared, idk what is the source

Bc no one cared about brew here before few days ago

[bleak breach]

I’d heard heaps of talk about Brew for the last few months

Since they got their rework/buff in ptr.
You just mustn’t have been here for that I guess?

[sharp gale]

And the few logs of ptr m+, brew is below bdk

So I’m really curious

[bleak breach]

I assume BDK must still be very competitive with ours?
They weren’t really much behind last tier.

[sharp gale]

Maybe it’s just the amount of ppl who start asking seasonal questions I guess, I know we talked about comps, but it became really more noisy

[warm plinth]

Good job Blizz

[solid sun]

Is that a shield or are you happy to see me

[true yoke]

is worth lose all tier to put some blue items adventurer?

or tier only should be changed when you get next tier

[frosty mango]

I expect normal level gear (681) will be a large tier upgrade

[warm plinth]

Sim it but S2 tier is strong enough that it might be a tier for tier angle outside of very large ilevel gains.

[lusty grotto]

can the elvui dev team stop sleeping

[warm plinth]

No. Shit.

Like come on 😭

[dense crater]

is bloodmallet up to date?

[lusty grotto]

doubtful

[dense crater]

i got sacbrood to drop dunno if i should equip

[warm plinth]

🤷

[dense crater]

or if its poop compared to s1

[warm plinth]

sims still work

[dense crater]

ok cool

[warm plinth]

which is all bloodmallet is anyway, except at least you'd be simming yourself instead of a template

[dense crater]

my first sim as prot o.o how exciting

[warm plinth]

Just don't use dungeon slice

[lofty warren]

if you didnt do any dwelves can you just get invited to a t8 dwelve or do you have to leve 1x at a time?

[warm plinth]

If you have to relevel delves at the start of a new season, you'll have to level them yourself. Can't join higher ones than you've personally unlocked.

[lofty warren]

gey

[dense crater]

ran patchwerk 5min, sac is a 95k dps inc 😮

[fiery wren]

my guild is making us all use bigwigs, im used to DBM which tells u when to defensive for a tankbuster, littlewigs doesnt do that

is there a WA or something that will tell me to defensive when a tank buster is coming?

(i am not a tank main this is just for dungeons)

[lofty warren]

m0 lockouts are weekly or daily?

[fiery wren]

weekly

[harsh trellis]

Quazii's plater will do that

also this

https://wago.io/twwdungeons

[warm plinth]

LOL WTF IS THIS

[harsh trellis]

theres also a recipe for chocolate chip cookies

[lusty grotto]

theres soulsborne thingies in them now

[warm plinth]

I love this

[rustic sequoia]

havent looked much are we moutain thane bois now?

[lusty grotto]

no

when you get 4pc yes

[rustic sequoia]

okay

thanks

[next axle]

Hunkering Down or Spellbreaker? generally speaking.

I kinda like the way hunkering down reads better

Instead of praying spellbreaker proc'd when you need it

[rustic sequoia]

is there a spreadsheet out yet with each specs tier set % gains?

[lusty grotto]

spellbreaker is dead talent

you will never ever take it

[warm plinth]

Love when they add brand new talents that are DOA 🙂

[true yoke]

yea i see weirds npcs on delves, i take a pic of some

like this

[warm plinth]

Love it XD

[true yoke]

but someone knows what happen?

haha

if someone see my memory pls give him a /huge

[warm plinth]

Will do!

[lusty grotto]

its people that died

its like blood puddles in soulsborne games

[frosty mango]

Memory of area52

[lusty grotto]

they announced that very early on

[frosty mango]

server is cooked

[lusty grotto]

our instance server kinda took 2 hours to load

[warm plinth]

thane too stronk

[agile elbow]

it's over boys.....

[cold pivot]

Just loooted ara and now server crashed Hope its saved

[lethal beacon]

How are people having 707 cloak already? Phase diving?

[rustic sequoia]

i think the 707 cloaks are bugs, my guildy logged into his alt and did the alt cloak skip and his cape was 707

but his main was 701 still lol

[real thunder]

Hello. Anyone know when we break our S2 2 piece/4 piece bonus?

[half jewel]

when u get new 4pc according to wowhead

[lusty grotto]

yup

[half jewel]

its not necessarily bugged cuz u can get the threads for the upgrades by doing world content

[lusty grotto]

you also swap to MT at 4pc

otherwise you colossus

[lusty grotto]

you mean this?

you get pieces to upgrade it doing content

[rustic sequoia]

i could only get 1 extra thread where is the other 2?

[lusty grotto]

no idea i just spammed delves and m0s

[half jewel]

Its random chance

[rustic sequoia]

ive done every quest, world quest, spammed delves and cleared m0

[half jewel]

I got one from doing weekly stuff and havent done delves or anything else yet

[rustic sequoia]

only got 1 from the warrant quest chain

[half jewel]

My RL got his after 3 delves so prob really shit rng lol

[neon elk]

Guys what the ilvl requirement for hc dungs ? Asking for a friend

[frosty mango]

0

[lusty grotto]

no idea but m0 is easy as fuck

[frosty mango]

pretty sure you can solo m0s right now

[lusty grotto]

yeah ive been soloing it on dh

[frosty mango]

we did them all, I pulled like 15 packs at a time into bosses

[lusty grotto]

since half my group is d/c'd

rogue logged in and we cleared to 1st boss in HoA

and now we wait

cause its split assigned groups

[lofty warren]

Why can I only see 1x world quest in new zone? I did all 3 chapters

[lusty grotto]

day 1 bugs probably

there were other world quests but

i dont remember seeing the icons in the map

[lofty warren]

In week 1 should do t8 delves? Collect delve keys? Or can they all be ignored

[lusty grotto]

we are at least

8 t8s

all m0s

so up to you

[lofty warren]

8 t8 gives you what? Vault slot?

[lusty grotto]

3 vault slots

hero track i think?

i could be wrong