protection

[blazing shuttle]

Oh yeah for that I defo agree.

[solid sun]

I made a joke last week about how there’s nothing to do this week

[blazing shuttle]

MAN you're still onto thta?

[solid sun]

And I was told I was spreading misinformation

[plush tendon]

and if you get a map, its like 30 gilded

when you finish a delve

at least, thats what I was doing while catching up the last couple of weeks

do one delve, and I would leave with like 45 gilded crests

so time efficient

[blazing shuttle]

Yep.

Plus, like you said.

[plush tendon]

is that staying?

[blazing shuttle]

It's a good way to chill.

[plush tendon]

I hope it is

for sure

[blazing shuttle]

You almost... turn your brain off.

[solid sun]

I like to do profession stuff to chill

[plush tendon]

Professions are a bit pitiful

[blazing shuttle]

I hate how like..

[plush tendon]

I just do Blacksmithing and Jewl

[blazing shuttle]

If you make an alt, for professions.

You feel fucked.

[plush tendon]

and make my own armor/necks

[blazing shuttle]

Same.

[plush tendon]

or swap around stats when I feel like it

[blazing shuttle]

I recently leveled a jeweller AND Engi.

So I can do all weapons, all armour.

[plush tendon]

I dont get the point of Engi anymore

[blazing shuttle]

And get my own reagents.

AND also Alchemy.

[plush tendon]

I used to always have it

[blazing shuttle]

Making my own potions is so good.

[plush tendon]

for the extra brez chance

now its.... whatever

[sharp gale]

Im alchemy 25, that’s it

[plush tendon]

early expansion proffessions are fun though

[blazing shuttle]

And the gun for people that need it. And... honestly, that's it. Oh and the pause-pylon. I made some. If I even REMMEBER TO USE IT.

[plush tendon]

got together with all the other guild BS and chose what weps and armor we were doing

[sharp gale]

I sell boe at expansion launches

Since I finish the leveling in 5-6 hours

2x4 instantly after hitting the end

Im tailor/enchant every time an expansion launch

[plush tendon]

Ive never made gold through prof

execpt in MoP

when I made that gathering mount and sold it

otherwise, I rode off the coattails of WoD garrisons (RiP) and sales

[gray mirage]

I haven’t had a chance to read up on prot for 11.2, is colossus or mountain thane the play for m+ this season?

[sharp gale]

It seems to be thane for now

[solid sun]

Currently thane but we don’t know how we will be nerfed

[lethal beacon]

Just curious - y’all running Mountain thane or Colossus for M0 this week?

[blazing shuttle]

Thane.

[solid sun]

Col

[sharp gale]

Colossus

[plush tendon]

Ill mix it up

[blazing shuttle]

I've started to play Thane a lot. And I love it so much it's incredibly fun IMO.

[plush tendon]

and try both

[lethal beacon]

Sorry I didn’t see this was pretty much just asked

[blazing shuttle]

Thunder Blast gives happy chemicals.

[lethal beacon]

I played thane at the end of season 2 and love it

[blazing shuttle]

Tbf it's early season so

Does it really matter?

[lethal beacon]

Just asking what people’s preference was for this week lol

[blazing shuttle]

Oh yeah ofc.

[lethal beacon]

It really doesn’t matter tbh

[blazing shuttle]

Can't wait to try out the Thane 4P

🤤

[sharp gale]

Yeah it doesn’t matter, it’s just I already played thane in S1, so i can wait 1 more week

[lethal beacon]

I like the visuals of lightning lol

Got my prot to 680 yesterday - I am a recovering altoholic but always go back to Prot war

Feel more fluid and fun compared to my VDH

[rancid tiger]

So col until new 4p?

[plush tendon]

VDH basic rotatation still feels flawed to me

[lethal beacon]

This.

[rancid tiger]

Dh = flawed

[plush tendon]

like, its strong dont get me wrong

but something is off

[sharp gale]

I will switch between Col and thane when season really launch, bc I want to execute sometimes

Until 4 p

[plush tendon]

honestly, the souls mechanic is a bit silly

[blazing shuttle]

VDH is just...

It's a bunch of things thrown together.

Mixed up.

And served.

Sure it's good but it's messy.

[lethal beacon]

I WILL say that the AOE grip is nice

On VDH

[plush tendon]

the sigil util is great

[blazing shuttle]

Don't let the BDK hear you.

[lethal beacon]

You can pretty much lock down a caster mob

[blazing shuttle]

(I'm the ex-BDK.)

[rancid tiger]

Can they nerf thane allready

[sharp gale]

I play bdk

[plush tendon]

but like, Shear->Soul Cleave rinse repeat is silly

[blazing shuttle]

Slappy Hand removed..

[plush tendon]

dont remind me

[blazing shuttle]

Honestly.

[sharp gale]

idc about slappy hands tbf

[rancid tiger]

Prot thane will destroy fury thane

[blazing shuttle]

It is like the top of the iceberg as of why I stopped playing BDK.

[plush tendon]

lose Abom, get nothing in return

[blazing shuttle]

We got something in return

The bone shield strength ratio to armor is 115% instead of 100

[rancid tiger]

Raid defensivr

[blazing shuttle]

[plush tendon]

yes, that extra 2$-3% phy dam dr

....greeeeeat

[sharp gale]

Still funny bdk is a fragile tank but the core mech is to consume his own stacks of armors

[plush tendon]

im honestly not looking forward to M+ on my BDK; gonna have to pull packs by running up and blood boil

[rancid tiger]

Well bdk is strong until its dead

[plush tendon]

when I used to just tag, plant feet, and let Abom work its magic

[rancid tiger]

😅

[sharp gale]

Yes and imagine in 2 buttons you can have 0 armor

[rancid tiger]

Thats not scary at all

☘️

[blazing shuttle]

I'm respeccing to Frost.

:)

[rancid tiger]

Pray for parry

[sharp gale]

It is what make it fun tho, I need to admit

[plush tendon]

frost looks fun

[blazing shuttle]

First time I will ever NOT main BDK I think.

In years.

In so many years.

[rancid tiger]

My dk is prob forced into frost uhdk doesnt seem that great in m+ next season

[plush tendon]

If I do raid, I gotta keep the BDK geared

[rancid tiger]

Bdk prob great in raid

[plush tendon]

its still my 'break glass if all else fails' class

[sharp gale]

I will keep my bdk, it is close with my rdruid to be officially my second char

[plush tendon]

oh yea, its 100% gonna be top 2

VDH is solid 3

and the Prot Paladin is a work in progress

has been since MoP

[sharp gale]

I might trend toward the bdk>druid, bc with time I realize more and more, I’m just a fucking melee

[blazing shuttle]

We're locked in being melee.

[plush tendon]

Ive actually been interested in playing lock

it looks kind of fun from a distance

at least Destro looks fun

[sharp gale]

Each time I do a raid, I feel not in place when I play balance or rdruid

[blazing shuttle]

Destro is happy chemicals with the Chaos Bolt.

[plush tendon]

Chaos Bolt is everything I wanted Pyroblast to be

its meaty AF

[blazing shuttle]

There's no greater feeling to throw so many chaos bolts in a row

Like

It just feels GOOD

[plush tendon]

Havoc Chaos Bolts

the chemicals are rolling haaaard

[blazing shuttle]

• Infernal.

So your soul shards are coming back

[plush tendon]

you know what, Im convinced

[blazing shuttle]

Then free Chaos Bolt

And you got a BL

[plush tendon]

we making a lock

[blazing shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/scarface-gif-14168367572031108130

I'm levelling a troll warlock

Just for that extra +10%

[plush tendon]

I have a Orc lock

though I got link in my guild's shit posting on stuff for midnight

there might be some racial changes????

[sharp gale]

Im might bet on the paladin on every race for midnight

[young gyro]

Well I was going to tank this season then the guild wants to do Mythic raiding which I don't care for so I got replaced by a DH. Guess it's back to arms for me.

[plush tendon]

this was the post

I made a spoiler for it

just in case

[blazing shuttle]

Okay, let's unpack it.

[young gyro]

If Worgen don't get tails come midnight I'm going to be quite sad at Blizzard

[blazing shuttle]

||Void Elf Paladin? Already teased. I buy it.||
||Heritage Roots? Fuuuuuuuuuuuck no.||
||High Elf? Forst Troll? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO||
||Spellbreaker? ALL elves? No. Nelves/Shelves don't have that. It is a Belf/Helf thing only. AND not only that, it is also something they no longer do since the Fall. Lore, people... LORE!||
||Class Hall? No. I don't think it could happen.||
||New Zones? Seem logic.||
||Ethereal? Possiiiible...||

[plush tendon]

I actually like the 'roots' mechanic

if it pans out

imagine having access to all the active racials

[lethal beacon]

I have a question

Do you all like haste/vers; or haste/crit?

I know it’s preference so just wondering everyone’s thoughts

[neon elk]

Just swap the new races please .. high troll and forest elf would go hard imho

[plush tendon]

haste/crit

[frosty mango]

They made a new class out of our shitty talent

[lethal beacon]

Sim > preference, obviously tho

[blazing shuttle]

Okay that... that, I could accept.

[young gyro]

Well honestly with how bad Worgen racials are there is no where to go but up for them

[blazing shuttle]

I hate the fact that X or Y race has to be played.

But on the other hand.

[solid sun]

This was my takeaway lol

[blazing shuttle]

I don't want it to turn like SWTOR.

[lethal beacon]

Are the “emoji’s” broken on this thread?

Wanted to love it lol

[solid sun]

“Fine if pwar doesn’t want it we will give it to someone else”

[blazing shuttle]

Haste > Crit >>>>>>> Versa/Mast.

Crit = More parrying, more numbers, more happy chemicals.

[plush tendon]

people have been asking for a spellbreaker class for a while

[blazing shuttle]

Problem is.

[plush tendon]

and it fits a elf theme expanion

[blazing shuttle]

ONLY belves can be Spellbreakers.

And they no longer train them.

[plush tendon]

I dont think blizz gives a shit anymore

[neon elk]

Imagine if that whole class would be based on that talent and it was full gamba random % chances on everything

[blazing shuttle]

The last trained Spellbreakers was with the Fall.

[lofty warren]

Where the fork are the emergency vdh nerfs and pwar buffs?!?!

[sharp gale]

…

[lethal beacon]

I’m just happy they left spell reflect alone

[blazing shuttle]

Already few in number to begin with, the spellbreakers' ranks were thinned drastically when their headquarters on the Isle of Quel'Danas was overwhelmed by the traitorous Kael'thas and his Burning Legion forces. Only a lone squad remained in existence, as they refrained from training any new recruits following Kael'thas' betrayal.[4] Eventually, Regent Lord Lor'themar Theron ordered a revitalization of spellbreaker training, leading to a resurgence of spellbreakers among the blood elves' ranks.[5]"

Guess I was wrong.

[solid sun]

I hope they make new talent trees for our talents

[sharp gale]

Since bfa im waiting for my tinker class btw

[solid sun]

Each choice node should just open up to a hovel of talents

[frosty mango]

Really just sim. At our stat levels it’s going to be a blend

[young gyro]

Spell breaker was garbage though for warriors of course we didn't want a % chance to block a % of magic dmg.

[lofty warren]

Is it true that you can get mythic track vault if you complete a heroic tazervesh?

[toxic gyro]

Spell reflect already doesn’t work on majority of the spells as reflect, it’s mostly deflect now or only dr.

[sharp gale]

Yes

[toxic gyro]

The good ol’ reflect is gone

[sharp gale]

M0 tazavesch*

[lofty warren]

I heard @frosty mango is enhancing reflect weak aura to account for big spell damages and deflects

[young gyro]

Spell reflection hasn't bounced a spell back to a target for the dmg it would deal in a long time.

[toxic pewter]

There is no heroic or even m0 tazavesh this season just mythic hard mode version which is coming next week.

[jagged pier]

umm yes it does all the time

[toxic pewter]

So basically can only do 6 m0 dungeons this week for loot. Then run two more again for vault for total of 8 runs.

[plush tendon]

ha, get fucked

[jagged pier]

they just choose what it does and doesnt work on

[plush tendon]

[sharp gale]

You know it will be a mythic 0 lvl of difficulty

[frosty mango]

Uh what? Yes it does lol

There are tons of reflects this season

Some huge ones too

[toxic pewter]

Ya true lmao

[lofty warren]

Is it better to do mythic 0s or dwelves for max ilvls?

[frosty mango]

Both

[young gyro]

Might as well not cause it tends to not work on boss fights.

[frosty mango]

This is the most insane take I’ve seen in a while lol

[sharp gale]

1 h dungeon, I bet they will go smooth with actual difficulty

[young gyro]

You can refect the 5m dmg bolt but your not doing that 5m to the boss

[jagged pier]

so u want it to now work on the abilities it deflects?

so we just die?

[sharp gale]

(1h if it was the difficulty of a +10)

[toxic pewter]

Do you guys think the new automatic ravager talent is overall better. We sort of lose a 40 yard ranged ability if we take it. But the quality of life seems good

[frosty mango]

I dunno about enhance. I took senses sheet and updated the wa that was already out there. If you want enhancements we gotta open up the PayPal

[jagged pier]

its better

[young gyro]

That is not what I said.

[frosty mango]

This is such a small use case for the spell for it to influence your take so much

[lethal beacon]

Pros based, but less button bloat

[toxic pewter]

Ok.. I can’t deny I’m happy to free up a keybind

[lethal beacon]

Proc

[toxic pewter]

Ya

[young gyro]

I'm saying it more deflection than reflecting

[toxic pewter]

I think I saw when I tried it briefly I had two ravagers going at once. I bet can even get three if lucky

[lethal beacon]

I can’t really see your profile pic.. can you post pic of your char? It looks cool!

[frosty mango]

Are you talking only in the context of raid?

[sharp gale]

Thunderfurry

[grizzled nova]

It's 20s of ravager per minute instead of 8s.

120 more rage per minute.

[lethal beacon]

Haha!

[young gyro]

World trash too.

[toxic pewter]

Lol uhhh it’s just a vulpera in traditional clothing with thunderfury and bulwark

Lol

[toxic pewter]

LOL

[frosty mango]

If you think spell reflect doesn’t reflect in a general sense you are severely misinformed

[young gyro]

There are plenty of examples where it's more deflection rather than reflection

[sharp gale]

Yeah, if you talk about raid it is another talk about SR reflects

[grizzled nova]

It isn't a gradient lol, it's either a reflection, deflection, or just a dr.

[neon elk]

Polish your shield for more reflection !

[lofty warren]

Is it true that vdh buffs all of the specs in the list and war only buffs 6 out of the 15?

[frosty mango]

But your original take was

“Spell reflect hasn’t reflected in a while”

And then it changed to

“Well it may as well not because hardly anything reflects”

[lethal beacon]

Wax on wax off

[frosty mango]

And now you’re saying there’s lots of deflects

So I’m confused as to what your point is here because it’s changed three times

[solid sun]

No worgen tails now!

Ya done goofed

[young gyro]

But it hasn't deflected in raids in some time due to how strong that dmg could be

[sharp gale]

Usually every targeted bolts are reflectable

[frosty mango]

But that’s not what you said

[grizzled nova]

Sometimes it does!

[frosty mango]

I asked if that’s what you meant

[lethal beacon]

I actually wanna switch from night elf to a horde char but idk which one I want to switch to.

Shadowed is NICE AF

[young gyro]

Ya and they tend to hot fix it

[grizzled nova]

Someone should really make a spreadsheet that details all the things that can be reflected, or deflected.

[lethal beacon]

But I hate alliance tbh

[neon elk]

Im not sure about exact numbers but even if vdh buffs everything , its not by a great margain, like for MM hunters they buff like 1 spell , half of those specs benefit more from war than from vdh

[lethal beacon]

Shadowmeld

[sharp gale]

Gnome.

[lofty warren]

Or better yet, include that into a wa

[lethal beacon]

This.

[jagged pier]

u cant have a cd in a raid on a 20 sec cd that can deflect everything or refleect everything

thats so broken

[lethal beacon]

Exactly. It would be broken

[jagged pier]

AMS does it but its a much longer cd

[frosty mango]

Spell reflect isn’t ever gonna reflect damage in raid because that would make warriors broken given how much damage raid abilities do - and it does reflect in raid just typically not on bosses.

In world content and keys there are many many examples of damage reflects

[jagged pier]

and 20-30% dr on a 20 sec cd is massive in raid

[sharp gale]

That’s why they fucked brew mastery in raid, I remember solo tanking vexiona

[young gyro]

Trying to remember what fight it was but one of the bosses had a spell that was reflectable and would chunk the boss for 15% of his hp

[jagged pier]

and you dont see a problem with that?

[young gyro]

Of course that is far too powerful

[lofty warren]

Spell reflect should reflect everything but yhr damage it reflects should just be normalized based on the content (in raid you still reflect but not for a million billion damage)

[frosty mango]

Warrior meta, just bring like 15 warriors and reflect the boss to death 4head

[leaden shard]

if spell reflect reflected everything then your total damage the spec does would be brought down to take into account the extra damage from reflecting and then spell reflect is mandatory to do

[young gyro]

That's what I was saying you reflect the spells but you don't do the dmg back.

[sharp gale]

It is also broken

They limit parry to melees for a reason

And dodge is almost non existent for the same reason

[grizzled nova]

Reflect usually has some odd qol to avoid debuffs in raid, as well.

[solid sun]

The only problem spell reflect has is your party mates kicking the spells you’re trying to reflect

Every single time

[grizzled nova]

Most recently, kill-the-root mechanics can be deflected.

[solid sun]

Even in comms when you call it

[lofty warren]

I want to reflect back the super annoying slow and bleed back onto the raid boss.

Let us have fun

[frosty mango]

I was on ptr last night and the rogue kept kicking the last boss of priory because I was out dpsing him, shameful

[sharp gale]

Yep, on a class who can unroot themselves baseline

On all 3 specs

[solid sun]

lol pitiful

[young gyro]

I remember back in Shadowlands when my warrior survived the bosses enraged blast to kill the whole raid. But now and days Blizzard changed it to just trigger an instant kill

[frosty mango]

Got 6m overall in priory, my best showing for ptr

Tuning feels rough in there that key is gonna be rough

[grizzled nova]

Thane and shadopan gonna get bonked in patch notes.

[solid sun]

I just hope the trinket options are solid outside of the one where you wanna stay in combat

I hate trying to stay in combat forever

[frosty mango]

Brand actually decays very slow

I had no issue keeping it above 11-12 stacks even with regular combat drops

[young gyro]

I still don't understand the logic of Shield Block was the problem and needed to be removed

[lofty warren]

Confirmed or speculation?

[solid sun]

It was too strong

[frosty mango]

That wasn’t the reason, they later admitted that it was too strong

They outright said it

[young gyro]

And AMS isn't?

[frosty mango]

We didn’t say it was logical

Tbf it was very strong but it could have been tuned

[solid sun]

I think the duration could have been shortened

[plush tendon]

every class has pretty broken shit

[grizzled nova]

Yeah it being 30s long was kinda the offender, I was expecting them to just drop it to 12s or something.

[plush tendon]

War 100% block chance is crazy strong

[grizzled nova]

30s of basically being invulnerable to spell damage was nuts.

[plush tendon]

BDK AMS crazy strong

[young gyro]

I mean I still miss Execute giving stacks of CM

[grizzled nova]

Spell block frequently covered 2 seperate magic nukes in one use, I never understood the duration.

[plush tendon]

they buffed Spell Block in Aberrus

I think it was for Sark

[jagged pier]

no they just made it block that dot

[lethal beacon]

Does AMS absorb ALL magic damage? Or is there a cap of damage?

[jagged pier]

so we could live

[plush tendon]

that was also the same patch the duration was increased from 20 to 30

[lethal beacon]

I remember Season 1 soaking the entire mechanic on second boss in NP

[jagged pier]

again they said when it works its too strong, yet they decide what it works and doesnt work on

[grizzled nova]

lol no it caps, it's just got a very short cd and prevents you from getting debuffs which cheeses lots of stuff

[lethal beacon]

That needed a nerf

[jagged pier]

yer to cover the dot length

[sharp gale]

It is a tricky situation bc things we block are 50-60% DR

[plush tendon]

AMS on Brood in Vault

pure stonks

[jagged pier]

40%

[sharp gale]

I have more than 40%, and I add mastery some room

I think I have 45% without SS the adds

[grizzled nova]

it worked on the fyrakk dot too

[undone beacon]

I logged on last night and just hit spell block on cooldown for a while, rip little buddy o7

[grizzled nova]

It'll be interesting to see how they handle dots for warrior going forward since pwar seemed to be balanced around spell block for massive dots like that

[frosty mango]

I can tell you exactly how

They won’t

Healers adjust or we die

[lethal beacon]

This. lol

[steady mason]

Ringing Ritual Mud S tier?!

[lethal beacon]

Naw

[undone beacon]

Always

[plush tendon]

I mean, prot was has lots of Damage Reduction tools

[sharp gale]

MUD FOR THE MUD GOD

[plush tendon]

30% from talent spell reflect, can spec into another 6% magic DR

and War is still basically invulnerable to blockable phys damage

[grizzled nova]

yeah but who is dying to phys anything in raid

[plush tendon]

who is dying to anything in raid

lets be real

[plush tendon]

Jailer

hehe

pre nerf

[undone beacon]

me when dimensius sucks me into his black hole and deletes my char

[grizzled nova]

Most tanks you don't need to think about, cleave healing is enough to keep them alive through anything, if someone has to pocket pwar when they get a magic dot it'll be annoying.

[plush tendon]

not entirely true

it just depends on the situation

[solid sun]

Idgaf what healers do or think or want

Keep me alive or get out

[plush tendon]

and theres nothing wrong with having healers plan a external for you

[solid sun]

I’m tryna send executes and t blasts

In fact, to Augusto’s point, I’m pretty sure that’s the direction blizzard intended for this to go

They wanted healers to have to worry about us some amount of the time

[plush tendon]

healers have externals for a reason

might as well make em worth something

[lethal beacon]

Yall running Champions spear or thunderous roar for Mythic+?

[plush tendon]

Roar

its easier

[solid sun]

I do be roaring

[plush tendon]

Spear is cool

[lethal beacon]

I like roar’s synergy better

[plush tendon]

but Roar is much easier to use and not fuck up

for max value

[solid sun]

I might try spear since thane has an easier time gathering than Col does

But roar is pretty nice

[sharp gale]

You can solo tank gally ego check

In mythic

[tender zealot]

Roar is best for grabbing targets

[frosty mango]

Spear is fun on big pulls when you drop it and go “big damage yeeeeaaaa” but other than that I only run it on gambit

That first section is terrible

Spear makes life easier

[paper crypt]

Hopefully we get our day in the sun this season. VDH don't have to sacrifice anything

[flat tundra]

Is roar damage proportionally better for prot than the DPS specs? because they’re both dooming about it. Or is it just because of its gather strength?

[past torrent]

We got our good m+ spec yet

[harsh trellis]

Right now, we are thaning

[waxen frigate]

Insert the infamous brewmaster gif here

[frosty mango]

No, I don’t think so

It’s not weak, but it’s not strong either

[waxen frigate]

It’s notably also far easier to get efficient value from roar than spear

So usually if they’re comparable on paper roar is just gonna be better in practice

[undone beacon]

Spear deemed too complicated, taken out back and spell blocked

[frosty mango]

For us it’s more of a gathering tool than a dps tool, but for something like arms and fury I’ve never considered it a dps gamechanger

It was pretty strong in dragonflight

[waxen frigate]

Yeah roar in dragon flight went fucking brrr

Especially with that tier set that boosted bleed damage

The glory days of bleed support

[merry umbra]

any decent tank gearing guides for s3 out yet?

[frosty mango]

The wowhead guide is updated

[merry umbra]

Oh okay nice thanks

[frosty mango]

@strong forum ticking sack of terror is listed as s tier but not in the explanation. I didn’t clock this when I was on the ptr - s tier because it has a high proc rate?

[solid sun]

Because it strikes fear into the hearts of your enemies

It's kind of in the name

[lofty warren]

I like the pwar wowhead guide. It just says "here are you talents for mt m+". Some other tank ones are like "here are advanced ones and basic ones" but don't say which is bis so now I don't know what to choose and get confused/sad

[frosty mango]

You’re not big on choices eh?

[strong forum]

whats wrong with explanation

[lofty warren]

I don't do wow for choices. I do it to give my reptile brian the dopamine hit

[strong forum]

ah oop

i see what you mean

[strong forum]

yeye

fixing

[frosty mango]

The tier list and explanation table don’t align

[frosty mango]

They gotta hire you some qa testers

[strong forum]

theres 37 guides or something

[frosty mango]

And zero testers

[strong forum]

with like 20 sub pages each

[frosty mango]

Blizz qa philosophy

[strong forum]

wdym 0 "testers"

there quite literally are people doing revisions

cant catch everything

[frosty mango]

lol I’m insinuating that you have to do it all yourself

[strong forum]

rather like this

than like on icy veins

where you submit it at once

and then have to wait

[lofty warren]

What does 9 mean?

[south goblet]

man, looks like they finally kneecapped collossus enough that thane is the play for all content now huh

[merry umbra]

what I gather from looking at stats (havent played prot war since s1 DF), mastery still kinda dog?

[small steeple]

self admitted lizard man

[strong forum]

there, fixed

[strong forum]

whats there to not understand

[frosty mango]

When your violent outburst buff is up, you press thunder blast if 3 or more targets, you press shield slam if there are 2 or less

[queen comet]

does anyone know if spellblock works on sacred toll?
i know its gone tomorrow but still
sheet doesnt have the data anymore as its updated for s3

[strong forum]

does

iirc

[small steeple]

Thunder Blast does not equal Thunder Clap

[south goblet]

poor guy is so collosus pilled he forgot how thane works

[frosty mango]

There are no bad substats

[lofty warren]

When i read that it makes me thinkg i should cast Violet outburst when there are 3x targets? But that is a buff that gets consumed by pushing aoe stomp?

[frosty mango]

Once you have the requisite haste for keeping shield block up you can just sim to see upgrades. In practice this will look like crit and then it will change depending on how much of each stat you have

But from a dps perspective the substat weights are close and ever shifting

TLDR sim

[undone beacon]

9 is a arithmetic number denoting a quantity greater than 8 but less than 10

[limpid ruin]

Nah it’s a sign of weakness. I’d rather just chain wipe

[steady mason]

tome and pacemaker even after the nerfs?

[lofty warren]

Thunder what? It's aren't both of those just "aoe stomp"? That are sitting on the same keybind?

[small steeple]

Its MT whole thing

[merry umbra]

thanks brotha, appreciate it

[small steeple]

it gets Thunder Blast charges

which replace Thunder Clap

[south goblet]

you have to remeber all non tank trinkets were penelized for useing. So its hard for any other tinket to be used. Even if they nerf them

[lofty warren]

But if you have Violet outburst isn't your only option to press the buffed version of aoe stomp?

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure yet. Personally I’ll probably end up doing brand/araz for keys and brand/tome for raid

[strong forum]

shield slam

[small steeple]

violent outburst is something seperate

[undone beacon]

If you have the violent outburst buff and a thunder blast proc and are fighting 3+ things, send it

Otherwise, carry on down the priority list

[strong forum]

when you get outburst, you dont automatically ALSO get a thunderblast proc

thunderblast and outburst are 2 seperate procs

[dusk moth]

I’m sorry if this has been asked and answered already, but do we swap to mountain thane automatically or do we wait until we get new tier?

[strong forum]

new 4pc

[undone beacon]

Time to print out a png of the bis list and tack it to my wall, thanks Nome

[frosty mango]

Violent outburst is a buff you get after spending a certain amount of rage, so you do your normal rotation > get the buff > choose thunder blast or shield slam accordingly > continue on

[dusk moth]

K thx

[lofty warren]

Ohh so if you have Violet outburst and 3x enemies but you don't have buffed aoe stomp then don't stomp

[strong forum]

si

cuz thunderclap is just that weak of a button

[undone beacon]

So brand takes four minutes to fully ramp, does it not run into the same issue that Eye of Kezan had?

I didn't get a chance to test it on ptr so i'm not knowledgable on this one

[tardy juniper]

Hey Guys. Is Colossus still the tank Mythic + Spec for high damage?

Still seems to ellude to that on Wowhead

[viscid loom]

hello war-mates 🍻 looking at our tier-list, i'm wondering: is it that worth to go so high in haste, above the 20% diminishing return? i didn't run sims yet

[lofty warren]

On the rotation page when selecting talents below the opener box i click and unclick shield charge but it still stays in my rotation list. Can you still use it if you don't have it talented?

[small steeple]

@strong forum you got a bugged gui

[south goblet]

prot war never feels good to me until i hit like 40% haste ngl

[tardy juniper]

oh hang on....updates channel says Thane is OP for Prot...? COnfused

[toxic pewter]

how quick does that new raid tank trinket that is good drop off out of combat

[frosty mango]

No, because it decays much slower

[undone beacon]

Thane is very good this season thanks to the tier set. Both are viable options in M+. Thane does a lot more raid damage

[frosty mango]

And the delta between zero stacks and max stacks isn’t nearly as wide as eye

[undone beacon]

Thats all I needed to hear, cheers

[old juniper]

Is that before or after new tier?

[undone beacon]

After acquiring the new 4pc

[rough egret]

Ill personally swap to thane tomorrow, to get the clap memory

[lofty warren]

Dang it. I thought i could shield charge without spending on that talebt

[vale escarp]

Does the Doll-Toy we used in DF still work to stay in combat for Brand of Ceaseless Ire?

[frosty mango]

No, I tried

Honestly it really doesn’t decay that fast

[vale escarp]

Good to know

[frosty mango]

There are no shenanigans needed. I did some shenanigan testing and the difference was minimal

[sharp merlin]

Ahh forgot I never played Thane

Least learning a new spec will be fun

[frosty mango]

We just need anvil back now

[waxen frigate]

you just basically stop using revenge and start spamming TC

[sharp merlin]

Oh, that’s it?

[waxen frigate]

theres a bit more to it but thats the gist yeah

[sharp merlin]

So tc is now rage spender?

[vale escarp]

We change to Thane after getting 4set? Or is it stronger even without the new Set?

[waxen frigate]

no, IP is rage spender mostly

[small steeple]

4pc

[waxen frigate]

and you're just cranking out outbursts

[sharp merlin]

Ah cool

[undone beacon]

More rage goes into Ignore Pain instead of Revenge, Thunder Clap has been and continues to be a builder, you just prioritize it more than with colossus because more damage amps tied to it

[waxen frigate]

^

it turns into thunder blast when you get stacks or whatever i dont remember exactly

and thunder blast goes boom

[lofty warren]

Do you still want to use all your shield block whenever there is more than 0?

[sharp merlin]

I already use the Gliph that makes tc go Thor mode

[small steeple]

whats the glyph

[sharp merlin]

I’ll find it when I hop online

[toxic pewter]

I am just staying colossus once the nerfs come in im sure it will just be better or the same

the community's propaganda campaign is running at full steam to get us nerfed as usual

[lofty warren]

Why?

[toxic pewter]

community works to get us nerfed every patch.. it is all a projection campaign to take eyes off other tanks to avoid nerfs for them

[harsh trellis]

Is maintenance still showing as 3pm pst?

[toxic pewter]

yeah

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/dre3dd-illuminati-time-azmo-gif-15166696

[toxic pewter]

It stopped being a conspiracy when it literally has happened every patch since dragonflight beta... I watch patterns

[frosty mango]

So 9pm est

After it gets extended twice

[toxic pewter]

haha I usually think it will go longer but something tells me it will be up earlier

maybe around 1 pm pst

[frigid valley]

no way, overbuffed spec gets nerfed?!

[toxic pewter]

wat

yeah you prove my point

[sick grotto]

Thane is overtuned thats reality of it

[toxic pewter]

Just fake news

[sick grotto]

I love thane but thats just how it is

[small steeple]

show me the numbers

[toxic pewter]

always more fake news from the community

its awkward and off-putting to witness each patch

getting old

[sick grotto]

Its in the logs

[toxic pewter]

Meanwhile true, real issues are not even spoken about in the slightest

these twitchers are a plague

[small steeple]

show me that MT is statstically a signficant percent ahead of the next closest tank

[solid sun]

Pretty sure brew is deserving of a nerf

Pwar is totally fine

[wooden widget]

Thane is back?

[undone beacon]

Yeah fuck brew, take them out back and spell block them

[solid sun]

Yeah

Do it to em

Pwar and bear probably need buffs if anything

[nocturne spindle]

buff vdh

[solid sun]

Get out

[blazing shuttle]

SECURITY

[sick grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067328553907134484/1401541119300468848/image.png?ex=68934962&is=6891f7e2&hm=88b6a1493a0b902d98212fc8233340217dbccce62d14e85de493785dd3942c6d&

[small steeple]

sims are not logs

[solid sun]

He already had that typed out

[small steeple]

BrM always does poorly in sims

[solid sun]

Was waiting for the image

And had it pre typed out

[small steeple]

oh even says ignore broken

[small steeple]

me?

[solid sun]

Yeah

[small steeple]

no I just typed it

[obsidian adder]

Hey how un handle Multi Specc i am tanking as Prot in keys but raiding as Fury.

[neon elk]

It will most likely require 2 gears for stats, if u wanna play mixmax

Arms is easier to offspec , but from what ive heard fury is better at everything

[lofty warren]

I think brew Sims are not done quite yet

[grizzled nova]

Shadowpan tier is overperforming its tooltip by ~35%.

2pc is going off at 100% effectiveness instead of 70%, 4pc is procing flurry every 120 energy instead of 150.

Shadopan is doing DPS DPS during woo as a result.

[lofty warren]

If it is fixed then where does it pit brew dps

[grizzled nova]

Still good, probably lower than thane.

I mean thane is gonna get nerfed, shadopan is gonna get fixed if not nerfed too, moh may get a loveetap too.

pwar and brew are both doing way way more dps than other tanks, virtual zero percent chance they don't get notes.

[obsidian adder]

So Would u say first focus on dps and than later build different Sets with crafted/Myth items?

[sharp merlin]

Ayooo are you me?

[lofty warren]

If they both get nerfed, what is the best m+ tank?

[small steeple]

been vdh, wont change it

[lofty warren]

Fck off i don't want to vdh for another season

[small steeple]

too bad, vdh is gonna be meta m+ tank

[south goblet]

it will always be vdh unles they change there kit

or chnage how stong cc is in dungeons

[vale escarp]

Or they buff Pal like Season 1

[south goblet]

even season 1 vdh wasnt far enough off meta to not be basicly meta

[toxic pewter]

all the projection on prot warr is again to clear the way for vdh to avoid nerfs.. this is always the case.. it has happened countless times where all eyes are on prot warr then another tank that actually needs nerfs (vdh, bdk, prot pala usually) gets by with everyone claiming they suck compared to the all powerful prot warr... its the same playbook and has been played every patch since df beta continuously

[kind urchin]

Either vdh or prot pal will always be meta unless they either take away all crowd control or give it to all of us. I'd rather they give it to all of us.

[lofty warren]

Which is higher between brew and pwar and how much lower is the better one compared to vdh?

[solid sun]

Does anyone here have the ilvl chart

[solid sun]

Ty

[south goblet]

easyer to read

[lofty warren]

Which is higher between brew and pwar and how much lower is the better one compared to vdh?

[small steeple]

like damage? damage tehy both beat vdh

[lofty warren]

For "how good they are in m+"

[south goblet]

yea vdh isne meta for there dmg, the last 4 seasons proved that

[toxic pewter]

another way the plan is played out is to make it all about DPS.. the days where 'dps is all the matters' are long gone.. by continually talking about dps it actually plays into the plan even harder

Notice we are here babbling on about dps

when the actual imbalanced spec is effectively breezing by untouched

absolutely wild

[nocturne spindle]

nerf prot pal raid cheese nerf prot pal interrupts

🙂

[toxic pewter]

yeah that also is a big problem

prot pala also has an inordinate amount of utility for far too long

I actually made the topic on the beta forums asking where are the vdh nerfs.. got 500 comments.. like over half of the comments (solid majorirty) were dudes just gaslighting everyone.. claiming vdh is not imbalanced its wild

meanwhile warrior players will line up to proactively call for self-nerfs LOL

so strange to witness

[tacit hazel]

literally catched the last train, finally xD god i learnt to hate this guy

[solid sun]

We def shouldn’t be nerfed

Those brewmasters though

Pretty sus

[plush tendon]

buff Col

nerf bear

[lofty warren]

Is it even possible that there will be patch notes in today's thing that aren't already on ptr?

[plush tendon]

no one should expect major tuning this week

at most maybe some 3% in either direction

[sharp gale]

Yes they already posted the official patch notes, only smol things until post RWF

[lofty warren]

Which is higher between brew and pwar and how much lower is the better one compared to vdh? This is how good they are for m+. I asked to bad but he didn't understand question or somethjng

[slender bison]

Jesus christ the FOMO in this channel is sickening

[plush tendon]

most people agree that Prot Pal, Prot War, VDH, and Brew are within the margin of error of each other for M+

[sharp gale]

Pepega, we will not give you a direct answer while absolutely NO ONE knows what will be meta

[plush tendon]

other factors will be the decider on what becomes meta beyond our control

[sharp gale]

You really want a direct answer but anyone who would give you one is BETTING

[lofty warren]

If that is the case then vdh is out bc i don't want to do it again. Brew talent guide confused me too much that is out. Ppal is out too squishy. Pwar main let's gol

[sharp gale]

Prepare 2-3 of the tanks you think it will most likely to be meta and then choose once it is more set

If you want to play like this

[south goblet]

or if all you care about is meta, just roll a vdh

[slender bison]

The next 2 weeks will be so exhausting with the FOMO kids

[south goblet]

because it always will be

[lofty warren]

What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of me pushing aoe stomp

[plush tendon]

I dont quite understand this obesssion over VDH being OP

[sharp gale]

Ppal exists

[plush tendon]

it really isnt

its strong, but it has downfalls

[south goblet]

until they chnage how stong cc is in ht egame it will

[lofty warren]

Ppal too squish unless you are a savant and I'm not

[plush tendon]

Prot War and Pal have just as much CC

[south goblet]

lol what

[plush tendon]

yes, dont be dumb

VDH has a fear, aoe stun, silence sigil, chains

[sharp gale]

You can’t tell if ppal is too squishy, bc it is not out yet… that’s the point I’m trying to tell you, just 1 patch note can just change things like this

[vale escarp]

Col does with the knockup shockwave, Thane doesnt

[plush tendon]

Prot Pal has a blind, divine toll, longest ST in game, and avengers shield

Prot War has shockwave, stormbolt, fear, challanging shout silence (which is 10 times easier to take now)

[sharp gale]

And. Boomie seems to be out of the picture so there is a big beam gap

[vale escarp]

And still VDH got the 3% Magic damage buff

[south goblet]

yes, now look at the cd times on all that and the realistic cc durations

vdh comes out way ahead

[paper crypt]

Thank goodness, I adore thane

The tank waiting to move mobs until I start casting demolish makes me want to toss my computer out a window

Wait this is prot not arms. Still kinda applies though if you have to move out of mechanics

[sharp gale]

Little sad of no shockwave bump

[plush tendon]

bro, you need to check your work

[sharp gale]

I think you underestimate what other tanks have

And what dps and healer brings if you lack something

[south goblet]

i dont need to check my math, prot war cc kit is even weaker because we DR our own ccs

[sharp gale]

Bc meta tank is bc meta comp, it is alchemy between all 5 dudes

[plush tendon]

Do we need to side by side this for you?

and only shockwave and stormbolt DR each other

[south goblet]

thats half our ccs sir, and out lowest cd ones

[sharp gale]

Shockwave never DR itself

[plush tendon]

Challenging Shout is 6 seconds of silence vs Silence Sigil 3

both fear and chains stop casts, but they instant recast

[sharp gale]

But the difference is one is kick silence, and the other is full silence

[plush tendon]

stormbolt is a nice ST stun

[lament prairie]

fear is target capped aswell

[sharp gale]

No one plays the fear

[south goblet]

fear also broken by dmg

and they run unless talented

[plush tendon]

both are broken by damage -_-

[sharp gale]

You don’t use to make the mob stay feared, so it doesn’t matter if it is broken by dmg

[tight hinge]

this is a situation where you ask yourself, what do i gain by convincing this person. There is not really any gain, so you say "ur right bro, enjoy vdh"

[mighty valley]

when we take intim shout, we're only taking it for the stop

stops are less good than they used to be, and points are tight, so

it's pretty whatever

[south goblet]

oh no, i love pwar and hate vdh. Im just not so dilutional to think pwar cc kit is near as good as vdh

[tight hinge]

delusional

[sharp gale]

It is delusional tbf

[plush tendon]

You right; kids a idiot

[sharp gale]

The thing dh has more is the chains

[toxic pewter]

been seeing a ton of people thinking we have an aoe silence..

that is more fake news

just argued with a guy on forums

[plush tendon]

It’s a aoe interrupt

And it’s very good

[toxic pewter]

we do not have an aoe silence though

[fiery badge]

Yeah I agree im burnt out of VDH
Brew might be fun with high uptime on that mud trinket
Yoda seems pretty confident it will be a VDH meta and or Pwarr for physical damage comps

[plush tendon]

Especially now with limited opportunity cost

[toxic pewter]

sigil of silence is a lot better

[sharp gale]

Yes but apb, the situation you use the silence of dh are the exact same situations you use the shout

[toxic pewter]

order of magnitudes better

[proven stratus]

Belf does lmao

[sharp gale]

To kick casters

[toxic pewter]

yeah but one you can also place

its a lot better

order of magnitudes better

[south goblet]

our aoe kick sucks, it only is good when all the mobs cast align

[mighty valley]

not in every situation, the lockout is twice as long, and in a lot of dungeons in this past season it was trivial to sync casts

[lament prairie]

belf silence

[proven stratus]

Belf actually got stonks on VDH now

[limpid ruin]

Not really orders, it’s shorter length and it’s not like you want to pre silence as a rule

[lament prairie]

nice

[mighty valley]

dunno about this season

[toxic pewter]

very much orders better

[plush tendon]

So smart

[sharp gale]

To align casts you use a mass stop before

[limpid ruin]

And if you are valuing the ranged aspect of it that’s silly. You can’t use a 1.5 min cd as a single ranged interrupt

[grizzled nova]

what is it 2012 again?

[toxic pewter]

So you guys would rather keep our aoe int and not have sigil of silence if given the opportunity

[proven stratus]

Shadowmeld pots bro

[sharp gale]

That’s the most basic thing, shockwave into mass kick

Bc it aligns all casts

[south goblet]

tbh i would rather have neither nad get gag order back

[mighty valley]

apb you know there can be positions between "better" and "several orders of magnitude better" right

[toxic pewter]

wild

[limpid ruin]

No I agree it’s better but it’s not dramatically so. This is like saying haj as miles ahead of storm bolt

[toxic pewter]

it is a lot better

[plush tendon]

Both get the job done

[toxic pewter]

aoe kick actualyl sucks ass

[grizzled nova]

torrent is a purge not an interrupt

it's been a purge for like a decade lol

[proven stratus]

[sharp gale]

How it is a lot better, i have a hard time understanding

[south goblet]

its alot better becasue of the options the silencegives, with silence i can bring the casters to the melle mobs. Cant do that with aoe kick

[proven stratus]

They ruined Belf

[fiery badge]

Yoda was talking about Prot Pal possibly being good

[limpid ruin]

That’s a terrible use for it though

[tight hinge]

that's true but generally the best use of sigil of silence is going to be aoe lockout not pulling in casters

[grizzled nova]

Yoda is always talking about ppala being good.

[plush tendon]

Yoda loves prot pal

If he make it work, he’ll play it

[sharp gale]

Yes he is a ppal main

If it’s not too troll

[south goblet]

it is, but its the fact that the option exists for one but not the other

[grizzled nova]

He's a ppala goat and can probably live most everything with it, ppala's problem rn is that it does 99.9% pad dps and negative st.

[plush tendon]

he has good synergy with his group

that spec can just fall over

in like a second

[fiery badge]

Yeah I’m not good enough to make that spec work lol
And also he plays with top tier dps and healers

[plush tendon]

without proper CD management by you and your healer

watching the Kira compliation of him playing Prot Paladin is funny

[fiery badge]

I think he plays with Ellesmere

[plush tendon]

its like 'hmmm, I guess I just die to melees here'

'wog 30% block buff expires' 'instantly dies to a melee swing'

that is such a cooked talent

[sharp gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055196260329590874/1320668978732859402/big2.gif

[plush tendon]

does anyone have that VDH instant dying in Ruby

back in DF

[grizzled nova]

fitl has been cooked since day 1 I despise that the talent exists and gets balanced around

[sharp gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1289315888293744642/rlp.gif

[grizzled nova]

remove it and make sentinel not-horrible again ffs

[plush tendon]

banger

[limpid ruin]

Well that and it’s another one of those funny 50% parry tanks

[grizzled nova]

melidrussy was a monkaS boss for all tanks

[sharp gale]

We are a 50% parry tank

[grizzled nova]

unless you were a god at hitting the 0.1s shield interrupt window with ppal

[plush tendon]

I feel like Prot Paladin gets a little bit of damage reduction from a bunch of different sources

you get some DR from your consecrate, heres some parry, a little bit of block, get some armor from SoTR

how about we give you a little absorb shield from avengers shield

that should even out to a full tank right?

[grizzled nova]

I don't even think it feels that bad, wog is underwhelming.

If sentinel wasn't shit it'd be 100% okay.

Still goated utility.

[wooden widget]

Just coming back from a break. Thane > colossus?

[grizzled nova]

Their damage profile is just actual trash rn, especially comapred to pwar and brew.

[plush tendon]

yea, the damage numbies aint there

and it still just falls over sometimes

[sharp gale]

Yes it is the overall ppal gameplay, multiple things to stay alive (that’s their unique gameplay, their iconic gameplay)

[plush tendon]

yea, naw

its cooked

its trying to be too many things

it should be a block tank like Prot War

[sharp gale]

Yes Blizz tried to make it special

[fiery badge]

How does Pwarr deal with magic? Ignore pain spam?

[plush tendon]

Ignore pain, spell reflect, other DRs

[sharp gale]

I can see why adding another gameplay prot war/bear might be off

[limpid ruin]

The issue is it really needs sentinel. It’s a cd based tank without enough uptime on major cds

Or just revert eye at least

[grizzled nova]

demo shout, reflect, mostly.

[proven stratus]

Praying to God

[grizzled nova]

IP is what it is, you're dumping rage into it whenever your rotation demands it, not necessarily as a reaction to specific damage.

[plush tendon]

Prot pal also has a very small health pool

Warrior is like 3rd highest

[sharp gale]

Your first reaction is : spell reflect, then SR+Wall, and if it’s real content with good def rotation required, you will need to use demo shout for the DR

[fiery badge]

What about like whole packs of casters spread out
I did VDH to KSH last season, I would use my chains and sigils

[sharp gale]

You have last stand but I will not talk about it

[fiery badge]

If I remember correctly HoA has some nasty caster packs

[grizzled nova]

Challenging shout, asking one of the four other people in the group to put interrupt on their hotbar.

[lament prairie]

shockwave, stormbolt, kick, aoe taunt

fear maybe

[sharp gale]

Talk with your group before pulling

[plush tendon]

whats the pull?

[sharp gale]

Ping one of the caster

[plush tendon]

Not that I remember

it was fine back in SL

as a Prot War

[sharp gale]

Yes it was one of the easiest dungeon of SL

That’s why ppl like it

[plush tendon]

one of the more fun ones to

you could run from Gargoyle to Gargoyle at the start

and kill shards

it was great

[sharp gale]

I didn’t like the second boss

From vague memory

[plush tendon]

second boss was the wall

youd get overloaded on adds if I remember

[sharp gale]

And I don’t remember what is the last boss

[plush tendon]

but if you got through second boss, it was free

[plush tendon]

he threw stones at you

people always tunnelled and died

there was also a reflect there I think

[sharp gale]

I still can’t tell, tbf I forgot what happens after the second boss

[plush tendon]

you get the bleed dogs

[sharp gale]

There are bears after the second boss no

[plush tendon]

youd have to kite

[sharp gale]

EXACTLY

[plush tendon]

nasty fuckers

then you pull a pack outside from third boss room (or pull on boss UwU)

third boss was a joke

then the church room

with the sucky sucky mini boss

[sharp gale]

Tbf it must have been a joke, so much that I don’t remember it even when you tell me he throw rocks

[plush tendon]

I think there was a skip for that

[plush tendon]

its morel ike grave stones

it would one shot

but it was generally a simple fight

the dungeon really came down to how fast you could do the first area

and killing second boss

[sharp gale]

You will not relieve a dead memory, I have the other revendreth dungeon bosses in my mind now

[fiery badge]

Halls was fun
Dawnbreaker and Ara Kara are going to be a learning curve for me

[plush tendon]

Ara, Dawn, and Priory are literally only in the dungeon pool cause of trinkets

[fiery badge]

Yeah doesn’t something really good drop from Ara Kara
Tazavesh will be a treat I loved that place

[plush tendon]

The Sacbrood

was BiS season 1

its decent now

cause we actually have ok trinkets

[sharp gale]

There was a tazavesh trinket that was broken for tanks no ?

[devout jacinth]

technique?

[plush tendon]

not the stam one

its bait

[fiery badge]

There was the stam one but everyone said it sucks

[plush tendon]

Soleah's Gambit is good though

flat stat stick

[fiery badge]

I used it in SL but that’s cause it was in my vault

[toxic pewter]

omg i just realzied i can get Codex of the First Technique again

woot woot

[plush tendon]

[toxic pewter]

im gonna use it

[sharp gale]

I checked, yes it was the codex

[toxic pewter]

dorki said it was great back then

that all i need to know!

[fiery badge]

I think it was BiS for bears and that’s it

[sharp gale]

Yes they had to nerf it

[fiery badge]

I just want one of those cool 1h swords for transmog, never got one in SL

[toxic pewter]

i still have mine in my bank also

my codex

[sharp gale]

They stopped after codex, these trinket healing you 10% of received damage

[void slate]

Will MT be the go-to hero talent with m+ in s3?

[sharp gale]

I remember eternal palace one was something

[toxic pewter]

dang i got all the colors u need to get them theyre sweet

[fiery badge]

Isn’t there a new P warr talent that lets you proc ravagers

[sharp gale]

Ursin

Yes, and it procs more ravager

Than what you can cast

[plush tendon]

Ashvane trinket

she had two really good trinkets

the tank one and the crit/execute one

[sharp gale]

Yes it is ursin or urchin

It was the reason you didn’t need to be healed by a healer

On brew

[plush tendon]

Eternal Palace was a weird time

I had that trinket on my warrior

honestly, the tank trinkets I want are from Sanctum of Domination

The shield trinket from The Nine

and the Matrix

[toxic pewter]

yah sanctum trinkets were god tier those were fun as hell to have

[proven stratus]

Honestly with the amount of raids in the game some should run parallel to the current tier

[hushed cobalt]

Diamond prism from dazar alor or whatever that raid was

[proven stratus]

Nah, give me the tbc Spine Trinket with morbillion haste

Gruul's Lair

Dragonbone Trophy, that's the one

[jagged gust]

I still have that in my hunters bank

Good memories

Imagine farming gruul for 2 years for a trinket 😦

[solid sun]

@frosty mango are we still s tier

[frosty mango]

Yes because we are warriors

[jagged gust]

Warrior(S)

It's in the name

[frosty mango]

You can tell by the way that it is

[solid sun]

I am being told servers are up

[undone beacon]

I'm not even gonna bother touching those until after work

They'll be up for a few minutes then implode

And then get stuck in the world server is down loop

[solid sun]

Pash

The servers are up

[civic kiln]

The servers are up

[jagged gust]

Oh boy, can't wait to do a 20 minute questline

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-broom-start-up-the-minecraft-server-coat-gif-25420007

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-running-explosion-horse-running-explosion-sirlilor-gif-14997074002562156044

[steady mason]

story mode, 8 t8 delves, and m0 tour... anything else to prioritize this week?

[undone beacon]

wrappin ur reshii

[steady mason]

thats what i meant by story mode, but probably good to call out like that tyvm!

[frosty mango]

I’m cursed

Game comes up, internet goes down

“Emergency maint”

Curse you Comcast I can’t wait to be rid of you

[undone beacon]

im just playin inscryption until my next meeting ez

[frosty mango]

I got titan quest 2 ea but I beat it

[main arrow]

anything too buy with 6x puzzling cartle chip ? 😄 before patch goes

im already got gally trink

[steady mason]

jastor's ring, shield if you dont have one, m+ trinket

transmog stuff

[nocturne musk]

any recommendations between mountain thane or colossus for raid/m+

[tight hinge]

personally doing colossus until 4 pc then thane for all content barring nerfs/changes

[velvet knot]

so is colossus dead or something?

Everyone i talk to is saying mountain thane now

But i prefer colossus more.

[void slate]

Got the same question. 😂

[shut summit]

Colossus now, thane when you get 4pc new tier

(provided it doesn't get nerfed which is unlikely)

[tight hinge]

colossus is not dead, thane is just ahead

[velvet knot]

could you tldr break down the reason for the swap?

[shut summit]

bigger number mo better

[tight hinge]

^

[limpid ruin]

Tier set stronk

[velvet knot]

🫡

So how does our playstyle change now?

[frigid plume]

TLDR the thane tier set is like twice as strong as it probably should be

[velvet knot]

Do we just not press revenge anymore unless we're capping on rage?

[frigid plume]

you basically just press revenge to fill any empty gcds

[velvet knot]

Gotcha

spam tclap and keep defs up ect ect.

im gonna miss Demolish man

I love that shit

[void slate]

True

[shut summit]

i have a hunch that it will be closer than it looks after tuning so will probably be able to play whichever you prefer

thane is just too strong to be left alone

[frigid plume]

i'm hoping they bonk ionizing strike damage because having so much threat based on uncontrollable procs is gonna be irritating for raid

[hardy snow]

instead nerfing thane, buff colo

[steady mason]

I played MT in s2 because it was (imo) more fun and still got to 3k before turbo boost.... youll 100% be able to play whatever spec you want

[void slate]

Nerf VDH! (No?)

[frozen berry]

do we just stay colossus until we get tier?

[woven radish]

Delete vdh.... give meta back to warlocks like they deserve

[vale escarp]

Have you got this with all tank specs?

[frigid plume]

no i just took it from the simcraft site, those are the profiles they have up currently

[lofty warren]

Where are the updated class changes for 11.2

[open spruce]

maybe i'm being silly but wont this thing be going off almost every 15s in m+

[hardy snow]

it depends on proc rate

15s isnt CD of proc, its absorb time

[frigid valley]

no1 will ever know as there's no mainstat so no1 will ever equip it

[blazing shuttle]

Which boss is that? Last?

[open spruce]

delve trinket, ranked b tier on wowhead

[blazing shuttle]

. . .

DELVE TRINKET???????????µ

[hardy snow]

it has no main stat nor secondary, so it stinks

[velvet knot]

Bros

I was at 20mil hp before patch

im down to 16mil

what the fuck happened

[proven stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/payday2-pd2-cloaker-you-call-this-resisting-arrest-we-call-this-a-difficulty-tweak-gif-5699362801933530758

[lofty warren]

Shield Charge now grants Shield Block.

This seems good

[mighty valley]

it always did with the capstone talents

they just consolidated those and baked some parts into the ability

[lofty warren]

If you have a sb and another one is activated it adds to existing sb duration or overlaps?

[velvet knot]

it stacks yes

ive gotten sb to 40 seconds before

[undone beacon]

brother you confuse me

[lofty warren]

Stack or adds duration to?

[undone beacon]

Adds duration

[velvet knot]

adds duration yes

[lofty warren]

When i read stack I think you have like 3x shield blocks running at once

[velvet knot]

Oh god no lol

i just meant the duration stacks

[undone beacon]

300% block chance

[velvet knot]

300% block chance. Tough as nails still unusable.

[blazing shuttle]

Doesn't it HC at like 25s max?

I'm pretty sure it does.

[velvet knot]

ive definitely gotten it past 25s

I can do this with no effort

[blazing shuttle]

Odd.

[jagged pier]

It does that with bolster

[true yoke]

howw

[jagged pier]

Bolster is 20sec on top of cap

[desert brook]

I have zero clue of how prot is doing. Just coming back from s1. How we lookin? Thane still the move?

[blazing shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/promo-deleted-scene-disney-sam-gif-21205217

[velvet knot]

s2 was colossus. Now were back to thane apparently.