protection

[grizzled nova]

learning and increasing effectiveness as you learn and practice is all the fun

[frosty mango]

If I personally were going to commit to some sort of addition - it would be an info frame that pops up with a list of mobs that have instants that can be reflected and large casts to mit

[grizzled nova]

why would you want to skip that part, what would be the point in playing?

[frosty mango]

Which is basically just what sense does, in game

[lofty warren]

Reflect one is great i was just suggesting it be enhanced to show big spell hit and to make it visible on the ui

[frosty mango]

And at that point you can just use a note

[lofty warren]

Like when boss 1 in dawnbreaker blasts you. That is not reflectable but sure as shit useful to know that you decrease your ehrps by pushing reflect

[sharp gale]

It is not just fun, it is the only way to become better in wow

[frosty mango]

What you’re suggesting would definitely be used, it’s just more work than you think to make it work the way you’re suggesting

[grizzled nova]

yeah but that goes without saying - the tooltip on reflect very specifically tells you it will do that

[lofty warren]

Tooltip on what?

[frosty mango]

Spell reflect

[sharp gale]

Learning to know instinctively every spells, it benefits you to become a better player, you then recognize patterns more efficiently

[true yoke]

So vdh again best tank ;L

[lofty warren]

I know but if the bosses blast was not magic or was like a bleed then pushing reflect would do nothing and now you don't have it for later

[grizzled nova]

And now you know better.

Want to know ahead of time? Open the dungeon journal/mdt.

[sharp gale]

The huge F for blizzard about tanking is mdt

[lofty warren]

I don't bad memorization and gonna forgot and die a bunch. If it show on screen then I don't have to remember.

This is basically like a "hey do you want to use weak auras/big wigs question or just remember eveyrhing?"

[sharp gale]

The number 1 thing they should address in the entire game right now, urgently

Im serious when I say it

[grizzled nova]

Address what about mdt?

[sharp gale]

Not having mdt in the game

[frosty mango]

The fact that it isn’t an in game feature

Not being able to see trash mob abilities

Etc

[crimson furnace]

guuys, what are we crafting before the reset on wenesday????

people in my guild are doing recrafts

what about us???

[frosty mango]

I’ll be crafting nothing until I see my vault

[sharp gale]

The lack of tanks is the biggest problem WoW has, citing any other problem is ridiculous

[fluid widget]

It’s always a 25% reduction on magic damage

[stone ice]

btw, where is that from

[lofty warren]

What would be the biggest task to get it to work

[grizzled nova]

I mean kinda sorta, it effectively is feature of the game for people that care beyond their very first m+ run.

[fluid widget]

And they release the reflect guide at the start of the season

Tactycs has a sheet too

[grizzled nova]

It isn't an ask to have people download mdt, if they give even the remotest of shits about m+, they're gonna go download it, it isn't exactly onerous to do.

[lofty warren]

What does his sheet have?

[grizzled nova]

I think the dungeon journal should be better fleshed out, it's weird that I have to use mdt to see trash abilities.

[sharp gale]

The first key you do as a tanks = you have to know a SHIT ton of things, a mountain where you need to go outside of the game to find help

[lofty warren]

True. Life is much easier as a dps. Just follow tank and push cds.

[grizzled nova]

People's biggest problem with tanking is getting over a fear of failure, blizzard will never be able to patch that out.

[frosty mango]

You would need to go through and classify each as reflect/deflect/mit

you’d need to add new auras with triggers and bars for the mitigation ones

then update the display for each of the other individual auras to convey the type

All of this isn’t hard per se, just time consuming. The real task would be maintaining it each tier. Because you would need to look at three times for data points to update it effectively.

So as always maintenance is the pain not the implementation

[sharp gale]

Yes, and when you are a noob/new, it is terrifying to lead a group in a dungeon you don’t know shit

[lofty warren]

What's the difference between deflect and reflect

[grizzled nova]

Tanks and healers are less popular because they're single points of failure and no one wants to feel like they've failed, DPS is a distributed point of failure so it salves the ego better.

Ironically the vast majority of bopped keys I have are because pug dps is just bad at dps.

[sharp gale]

Yes so addressing the number 1 point of failure of a tank is urgent to address

[frosty mango]

I always tell people in wow and in life no one really knows what they’re doing. We are all literally just faking it. In any situation there’s like 4 people who actually have any clue wtf is going on and the rest of us just pretend and follow along

So slap that shield on and go brick some keys

[sharp gale]

(The tank not knowing what he is pulling)

[gusty dawn]

In theory the follower dungon creates a area to build confidence. But tbh who's actually gonna do that.

[grizzled nova]

Fights go way too long, priority targets don't die fast enough, and then the tank and/or healer run out of resources and die - dps get to claim that as a tank or healer problem, but most of the time it's just because the dps was bad at doing their job.

[frosty mango]

Ime when keys go poorly it is almost exclusively always a dps problem

[sharp gale]

Yep, so the follower dungeon, you see casts etc. Do you really learn what they do without reading a single tooltip ?

[frosty mango]

It’s very hard to be a “bad” tank. You can be a suboptimal tank but that doesn’t make you bad

[frosty mango]

Reflect = damage back to enemy deflect = no damage to you but no damage to enemy

[lofty warren]

Yea all 3 would be useful. Really idc if it's deflectable and not big spell damage

[frosty mango]

For the most part anyone can put on a tank spec and w key their way through low level keys and from a tanking perspective have minimal issues.

It’s the lack of kicks, lack of defensive usage, lack of using utility - from the dps - that causes the brick

[gusty dawn]

Do we have an idea what's gonna be meta ? Thane ) colossus?

[frosty mango]

As of right now thane

[gusty dawn]

I still dream of the thunder clap S teir era of BFA.

[sharp gale]

Rooting every mob each tclap was every strong yes

[grizzled nova]

You're never going to escape the memorization aspect of defensives - it's all well and good for the game to tell you when it's happening, but need to develop a timeline-map in your head of which defensives resources you're going to expend and when you're going to be doing it, because you're expecting to take >an amount< of damage.

[lofty warren]

@frosty mango can't you use the list that tactyks has as the data source? That way all that is needed is the update to the weak auras.

Also instead of manually doing it should probably have an import loop that will go and do it all at once

Idk what capabilities there are but that seems better than manually doing it each patch

[grizzled nova]

If you're using defensives reactively you're way behind the game.

[sharp gale]

Pepega have you ever modify or create a WA ?

[grizzled nova]

bigwigs telling you a tankbuster is coming should be a reminder, not a revelation

[lofty warren]

Yes I tried but I broke and I had to delete and reimport original

[gusty dawn]

Bruh 😂 😭

[lofty warren]

Can weak aura read from a local config file?

[sharp gale]

Might give it more trys, you are asking us to do a personal sized WA just for you

I think ppl pay $$$ for this

[lofty warren]

No it's would be like used by all wars and possibly by anyone that has a "i take less spell damage button" which is like a bunch of tanks

[frosty mango]

If I rewrote the entire thing to be done in code sure but that’s not how the existing one works and now you’re talking a rewrite

You’re changing the scope Pepe

That’s gonna cost more money

[lofty warren]

Probably not worth blizz since blizz gonna kill it soon anyway

[sharp gale]

soon

[frosty mango]

This is at least two developers, a ui designer, we’re gonna need a section 508 compliance officer to make sure @warm plinth can see it, we need at least a functional analyst and we’re gonna need a warrior sme to test it

[grizzled nova]

But that's literally precisely what spell reflect is - your primary consideration and use of spell reflect should be as a defensive DR, for 5 of every 20 seconds you get to take 25% less spell damage.

There's a single digit number of spells in any given season that you will actually care about reflecting.

[frosty mango]

We’re talking big money here Pepe

[tight hinge]

my eyes bleed at reading "sme" outside of work

[frosty mango]

Not true there’s like 20 this season!

[neon elk]

I volunteer as warrior sme ( S&M enthusiast)

[frosty mango]

Please send pepega your resume and rates

He’s paying for this

[sharp gale]

And 99% of individual kickable casts are spell reflect/deflectable

(Bolts)

[frosty mango]

Tbh I find writing complex weakauras very frustrating because even though I know lua very well, wow blocks a bunch of shit on its api and makes it impossible to do anything in a straightforward way

Like for example trying to see which debuffs are on your target, you can’t just call unitDebuff() because that’s protected

So you have to do some dumb roundabout solution

[sharp gale]

I don’t know how to code, so I’m limited with what WA panel gives me

[neon elk]

As a non expert ( i do just basic ones) i feel like WAs are shit and stuff there is confusing af a lot of time ( like pala conce bein totem timer )

[lofty warren]

It could be written such that it is fully automated for all future seasons too. Just need to select spells/casts/debuffs and select their attributes/get % of players base hp. If it is over a specific % then include as big spell hit

[sharp gale]

Usually I steal a weakaura I modify, bc I know very basics of coding

[neon elk]

Yea thats what i do also

[grizzled nova]

I mean that's not a weakaura problem that's blizzard making consecration a totem lol.

[sharp gale]

But I couldn’t do from scratch a lua WA

[tight hinge]

stealing and modifying a weak aura is basically what most programmers do just in wow terms so you good

[frosty mango]

Yeah i don’t write code anymore daily, maybe weekly if my team needs help but when i do need to write something complex it’s almost assured someone else has already done it

Why reinvent the wheel

[tight hinge]

nodnodnod

[frosty mango]

I told the govt if they ever want to see a real developer crash out all they need to do is block Google and stack overflow globally

All work would halt in less than a day

[grizzled nova]

I adore weakauras, I can make my UI present information to me however I like, conditioned in all the ways that are important to me.

It explicitly makes the game better, I think.

[frosty mango]

Weakauras are literally just addons

It’s an in game addon creation framework on rails

[sharp gale]

I think Google block will not just affect developers, it is more obvious it will have an economic effect

[grizzled nova]

yeah my UI is like 90% weakauras it's great

[frosty mango]

Honestly when you really take the time to zoom out at what weakauras the addon actually is , its really an insanely incredible achievement

[sharp gale]

I hope the next cd manager update will be enough to remove the main WA

[grizzled nova]

weakauras, plater, and bigwigs, is like my entire UI.

[frosty mango]

Weakauras for wow is basically what windows did for the pc

It’s that big of an achievement imo

[grizzled nova]

It's not even close, and the day they don't let me manage my own hotbars with weakauras is likely the day I quit wow.

[sharp gale]

If you knew how I have fun with liquid/NS WA, to tailor it to me

[frosty mango]

Knowing what I know about the wow api, those liquid/ns aura packs are also super impressive because getting them to do what they do in the context of the games rails is hard

For sure people are being paid to write those

[sharp gale]

I think they are 4 or 5 for liquid

From vague memory of Max ranting about analysts etc

[frosty mango]

The entire wa framework is incredible to me. The way it puts rails around addon creation in game, the very obvious community sharing features, using in game channels to direct share

[grizzled nova]

right until microsoft buys out the wa devs, makes them install an enshittified version of it in game, allows people to charge money for wa packs that they take a rake on, and official support for wa is discontinued

[frosty mango]

It’s a testament to communities capabilities to overcome, and what the internet could have been. People working together to create incredible achievements that are just free. Not locked behind profit and exploited for gain

[sharp gale]

It is a perfect example of collective intelligence

[grizzled nova]

I'm honestly shocked at the restraint blizzard has exercised in not creating their own addon market that they take a rake on, seems like such an obvious monetization avenue for them.

It would absolutely destroy the modding scene yes, but they'd get some money in the process.

[frosty mango]

Not enough roi, the addon Pandora’s box is open, they can’t close it

[grizzled nova]

Bethesda already started with starfield, we'll never see another bethesda game without a 'premium' addon marketplace.

[frosty mango]

Blizz cannot create the number of addons out there at the level of quality we have today so it would just be mass exodus

[lofty warren]

They are just going to copy/paste the useful addons in game and then disable the api

[grizzled nova]

And mods for their games will be shit for the rest of eternity because of it.

[frosty mango]

If blizz disabled addons today wow would be dead in a year

[sharp gale]

Blizzard is aging like the playerbase, they are slower than zoomer games

So I’m not surprised it takes so long for unc to wake up

[sharp gale]

That’s why I laugh when people says soon

They don’t understand it will be in 2 years minimum

[tight hinge]

seeing weakauras as a project on linkedin for the main dev is such a flex now that i think about it lol

[ionic fern]

I wouldn't put it past them to try and get addons under their control.
E.g "all weakauras/addons are now available on Blizzards official platform/installer" etc.

[frosty mango]

The death of wow won’t be by some other game, it will be at the hands of blizzard themselves.

They will eventually reach a point where they feel the game no longer a good return on investment - likely when development costs approach sub revenue. At that point they will make the game f2p and shift to a store model, put the game in maintenance mode, and extract as much profit as possible for as many years as possible while consolidating servers to reduce infrastructure cost. And eventually it will just be gone

[ionic fern]

And then the snowball will start rolling

[ionic fern]

Hits close to HOTS.

[lofty warren]

But that would require blizz to maintain and code review all those addons omg

[frosty mango]

It’s any game or system because this is how capitalism works

[sharp gale]

Nop, Steam doesn’t develop all games on Steam

[frosty mango]

Wow won’t die for many years but when it does, that will be how it goes

I’m 100% sure

[ionic fern]

No,no, bring back "WoW killers".
I liked those YT videos when i was a kid.

[lofty warren]

Steam may not develop but don't they need to code review it? Like the apple store code reviews all my shit

[frosty mango]

Square enix had the opportunity. They were literally full court no defenders, wow 6 miles back trying to catch up

And instead of dunking the ball they dropped it

They took all of the money and community engagement they gathered from endwalker and didn’t reinvest it to innovate ff14 and now the games cooked

Idiots lol

[sharp gale]

wdym code review it ? You think steam review every source code of every games ?

[frosty mango]

Honestly yes I’m sure they do

[sharp gale]

I think it’s automated

[frosty mango]

Because they would be liable for viruses

[lofty warren]

Otherwise ppl can put malware

[frosty mango]

Oh yes for sure automated

No one does manual code review that would be insane lol

They probably have to submit dast and sca artifacts

[sharp gale]

Yes, that’s what disturbed me about oh Blizz has to review the code of all WAs

I think a clanker will do it

[lofty warren]

Whether the code review is manual or automated, they are still taking on that task and responsibilities

Amd loability

Liability

[sharp gale]

Im pretty sure they gonna be alright

[toxic pewter]

Who’s ready for another season of the community proactively conspiring to get us nerfed into the ground while simultaneously actually working to keep the true imbalanced tank meta

[frosty mango]

Blizz can’t kill addons and them trying to cook weakauras just goes to show they don’t don’t understand why it’s popular

No one cares about their dumb cooldown manager - it’s popular because it’s customizable.

Unless they can replicate that, their offering will be sub par

[frosty mango]

No no we’re on the nerf monk train

Brew is better than us

[lofty warren]

They replicated gearsvore addon into in game and now nobody use that. It has been done

[frosty mango]

Use them as a shield

[frosty mango]

Gear score was a very simplistic addon comparatively

[toxic pewter]

I still don’t see any tank but vdh being meta again personally. But wait monk is actually better than us u say hmmm

[sharp gale]

I already said my conspiracy theory, Blizzard is pivoting the game 100% toward competitive pve, bc they saw it is the reason it is popular in China, they realize the casuals are the past

[frosty mango]

Yes that’s my story and I’m sticking to it

My shield has a big brewmaster face on it

[valid star]

hello people i'm a vdh refugee and kinda split between brew and protwar atm is there any pin on m+ MT talents i can have a look at? ty

[toxic pewter]

I’m with you nerf brew

[frosty mango]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1266837564925673596

[grizzled nova]

This will make for what the 4th vdh meta season in the last 6 seasons?

[toxic pewter]

I mean they literally got zero nerfs

[solid sun]

They were nerfed

You can argue it was small

But they did get nerfed

[toxic pewter]

nah

That is fake news

[lofty warren]

Vdh gor 8% parey nerf

[toxic pewter]

Lost like 3% parry or something wat in the world

It wasn’t even 8

Wat u even goin on about parry

LOL

[grizzled nova]

I do think it was funny that vdh was given gobs of DR and kept it's rolling dtps healing while death strike got nerfed.

[lofty warren]

Sry nerfed down to 8%

[grizzled nova]

Probably my favorite irony of the last 2 years.

[toxic pewter]

This dude saying 3% nerf to parry changes vdh and their meta status

LOL

[solid sun]

“They literally got zero nerfs”

Finds out they were nerfed

“Well they didn’t actually get nerfed”

[valid star]

@lofty warren 2% parry nerf+tier set nerf(also hit FS for 0 fucking reason) and mastery nerf

these are the ptr changes

kind of a joke,but vdh does half the dmg of pwar/brew so

[sharp gale]

Bdk is a big topic they are inherently fucked

[frosty mango]

Damage is not why vdh is so good

[sharp gale]

In S2 it was no amazing dmg

[valid star]

@frosty mango ik ik SoS+CB crutch+enabling caster comp

[lofty warren]

Aoe silence and they increase the good dps damage by 3%

[valid star]

if ppala doesnt drop over by a strong breeze they'll overtake DH though

[toxic pewter]

Vdh will be meta again as they’re introducing a new spec.. they don’t want all the dh people to cry and reroll and miss the new spec situation

[frosty mango]

You’re not playing a vdh for big dam you’re playing a vdh to enable big dam

[lofty warren]

The augmentation of tanks 🤮

[tight hinge]

most ppl are playing vdh cause someone told them to

which is l o l

[valid star]

@frosty mango i only play FS so apparently i play(ed) it for mid dmg but yeah we got nothing new to work with

[neon elk]

Ar maybe, but FS is kinda pumping , u probably do t play it in highest keys , but neither will u play full exe build so ..

[frosty mango]

Please tell me vdh is crying

Please tell me their discord is on fire

It would literally make my day

[valid star]

@frosty mango nah they full chilling

[grizzled nova]

I do think we'll see an actual spike in brew use this season, celestial infusion + niuzao's resolve makes for an idiot proof giga tank.

[valid star]

but are prepping to reroll

alts already

[sharp gale]

And they do the same key lvl I do as fury when I just want to fill my vault

[valid star]

it's full copium as in VDH is fine

but nah the writing's on the wall

[toxic pewter]

No reason to there’s a ton of casters in shit all over these dungeons

[frosty mango]

Getting statue back is huge for gameplay imo

[lofty warren]

What is the correct spec to reroll to for m+?

[frosty mango]

Aug

[solid sun]

What does this mean

[sharp gale]

The correct thing to do to play meta : prepare every tanks and then when the meta is found, you play the one

[valid star]

@solid sun roid was asking about what vdh discord is like

[solid sun]

Why is the vdh discord coping?

[valid star]

most people aren't dooming just accepting the reroll and/or saying "we can still do all the content even if not meta"

which is admission of defeat

[toxic pewter]

The entire situation is another anti prot warr psy op- project everything onto prot warr so they get nerfed. While simultaneously you remain / become meta yourself. Works every time and is working now again.

[lofty warren]

In s2 it was obvious vdh was big don't like s3 it's not obvious

[sharp gale]

Why do you think they play other tanks Sunday and Monday (they vault fill)

[valid star]

@solid sun they're not really

[grizzled nova]

honestly that's probably my least favorite part, at least it doesn't have the dumb damage scaling on purify mechanic anymore, but it's still a wonky pet

[toxic pewter]

Vdh should be celebrating. Literally got zero nerfs. One of the most egregious situations I’ve seen in my two decade wow career to be honest.

[frosty mango]

I just want to live in a world where vdhs are crashing out because they’re not the best

[solid sun]

VDH could still be meta lol

[toxic pewter]

It will be

[solid sun]

Why would they be admitting defeat?

[grizzled nova]

a lot of brew's problem for pugs was not mistiming celestial tho, and infusion completely fixes that problem, and resolve turns all your orbs into hots so you can't accidentally overheal 200% of your hp anymore

[valid star]

@toxic pewter why would you nerf a tank doing literal trash damage man i will die on the hill that pwar now has better utility especially with the SoS nerf

[toxic pewter]

Wtf u going about

[lofty warren]

Vdh got terrible s1 tww

[valid star]

@solid sun cos vdh is likely to not be meta

[grizzled nova]

brew got real safe even if you're dumb, which is I think the actual thing that will put it into conscious use, not just damage.

[valid star]

@toxic pewter challenging shout 6secs vs sos 4

[solid sun]

How? If it’s another magic damage season it’ll be vdh again

[toxic pewter]

It’s was literally like max representation in s2

Like wat it was solidified meta

Deserved nerfs

Literally zero caught

[valid star]

all the other tanks got bumped up instead

[sharp gale]

Or ppal, if they can survive

[toxic pewter]

And then you have the nerve to complain and worry

[valid star]

and the tier of AR is garbage

ofc i get to complain i only play FS

[frosty mango]

Warriors who are never meta: “we’re ok with being middle of the pack, we’ll get nerfed that’s prob ok too. We ball”
Vdh: “omg 3% nerf, we’re never going to recover. Bail out reroll now now now”

[valid star]

which has been trash S1 AND S2

im not an AR meta slave

[solid sun]

Felscarred isn’t trash

[toxic pewter]

Tired of the community psyop

Warrior just punching bag

[valid star]

@solid sun it's literally worse pwar

[toxic pewter]

Disgraceful

[frosty mango]

You’re not gonna find any sympathy for vdh here lol. Try the Druid discord @undone beacon how are bears doing

[neon elk]

Wasnt FS better for "average key" and AR only for top keys ? But monkey see monkey do and they played AR in 5s..

[valid star]

and don't get me started on the raid but yeah no sympathy needed and ty for the resources just venting i guess

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-exploding-gif-18403884229748594041

[valid star]

@neon elk yeah but you can do "average keys" with anything especially this season and FS completely died out past 16 so

[solid sun]

This is the second pin in the vdh discord

[lofty warren]

What is fs

[undone beacon]

Felscarred

[frosty mango]

Felscarred

[valid star]

Fel-Scarred

[undone beacon]

Hero talent

[lofty warren]

Fs not even the correct one

[sharp gale]

[lofty warren]

It's the throw glaive one

[neon elk]

I think something not bein best/good past 16s and complete trash as u said above are two completly different things

[valid star]

@lofty warren yeah some people just hate AR playstyle

@neon elk i mean it was serviceable for lower keys but still just bring a war and do 1m more overall

[lofty warren]

If fs was good i would be vdh but ar sucks ass rotation wise

[grizzled nova]

The last time I played vdh was s1 sl

[solid sun]

I’m not going to get farmed

[grizzled nova]

when that legendary gave you fb with like a 20s cd

it was cool

[solid sun]

I’m not

[sharp gale]

Stop lying to us, which tier list gave you this idea ?

[neon elk]

There is no way the gap was that big, hell even EC bear vs war wasnt that big and EC bear does healing to enemy with its dmg

[valid star]

anyways imma lurk dont wanna trigger people more than i already have apparently,so gl people and enjoy the start of the season hope war doesn't get touched negatively since im between prot or brew 🙂

[lofty warren]

Archon

[valid star]

@neon elk let me have a look at how bad it was brb

[grizzled nova]

I think it'll be a good season to brew, my finger in the wind says people are seriously underestimating how idiot proof CI+NR is gonna make brew.

[sharp gale]

Yes and there is a fury angle

[grizzled nova]

brew is just gonna giga live stuff by existing

[sharp gale]

For the battle shout

[lofty warren]

Look here ar so much higher

[frosty mango]

Who is that insane dotc Druid doing 15s

[sharp gale]

Why there is only 1 with a 22

Pika are you among us ?

[valid star]

@neon elk https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?boss=12651&bracket=12&metric=dps&class=Warrior&spec=Protection https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?boss=12651&bracket=12&metric=dps&class=DemonHunter&spec=Vengeance&heroTree=34 i mean it's not 1m but.... it's pretty close

[frosty mango]

But again

Damage is irrelevant

[lofty warren]

There. Should nerf ar and buff fs but they don't ppl to have fun

[frosty mango]

If damage were what made tanks meta war would be meta every season

[valid star]

i enjoy blasting so personally not yeah people on vdh discord are saying the same thing it's how much damage you "provide" not how much you do yourself

[sharp gale]

Not totally irrelevant, but again it is 90% a comp thing

[valid star]

but still

[frosty mango]

If you enjoy blasting you’re in luck

[valid star]

@lofty warren 100% deserved change

[grizzled nova]

Yeah there are 33 timed +22s rn, 29 on vdh, 3 on brew, 1 on pwar.

[frosty mango]

We happen to be way cooler than the demon hunter discord and just so happens warriors are recruiting

[valid star]

instead they're nerfing baseline class tree which is moronic since all the power is in the hero talents anyways

[frosty mango]

How do you feel about smoked meat

[neon elk]

Dude there are like 3-4 wara doing "way" higher , then its pretty close , all this could be is simply skill diff imho

[valid star]

@frosty mango 🆒

[sharp gale]

Someone cool doesn’t say he is cool

He is nonchalant

[frosty mango]

I didn’t say I was cool I said we are cooler than them

[solid sun]

I’m cool af

[frosty mango]

Which let’s be real, we are

[solid sun]

No shame in my game

[sharp gale]

Im switching bdk rn

[solid sun]

I smoke meat and watch sports and drink margaritas and ruin keys

What’s cooler than that

[frosty mango]

Prot war sky is never falling, we are the definition of cool

[solid sun]

When our damage gets nerfed and brew goes untouched

I won’t even care

That’s how cool I am

[grizzled nova]

sky is falling too hard rn is the problem

[sharp gale]

😎

[sharp gale]

How can it fall, 90% of ppl talking in #fury don’t play warrior at all

We don’t strive on the success of our class

[grizzled nova]

I understand

fury was briefly good on two bosses by design-accident and blizzard promptly sent them to the fucken stoneage

[sharp gale]

It made me remember the guy who came to ask questions about vdh on sprocket here and we tried to understand how dh works to help him

[frosty mango]

see

prot war discord wholesome

[sharp gale]

btw it is sure, I’m 100% out of the tank jail in raid

In my new guild

I joined a WR 500 one and the tanks plays multiple each, so there is no shot I’m gonna find myself in the hole again

[dawn furnace]

got demoted to dps?

[solid sun]

Promoted

[sharp gale]

Promoted*

I did enough bosses as tank in wow to know the curse

[stone ice]

#PItheProtWarriorInKeys

[sharp gale]

You are a melee dps but with absolutely 0 mech

[solid sun]

I’m struggling to get my little squad excited for the patch so we might be nearing the end

[mortal cypress]

My guild fell apart but I got new one. Just casual aotc though

[solid sun]

Yeah my group just gets aotc

[valid star]

btw what is the comp? prot,rsham,sin,feral and then forced WW for touch or just dk/havoc for better throughput?

[frosty mango]

@valid star i made this for you to take back to the demon hunters

[valid star]

@frosty mango

[vocal cave]

thane nerfs when

[valid star]

i guess with rdruid being gigabroken you could swap rsham for druid and feral for ele(cos enha kinda down bad atm?) but everyone treats rsham for heal as a given for physical comp not sure why

[frosty mango]

skyfury

its very strong for melee

[valid star]

@frosty mango yeah that's why i wanna retain the buff i guess ele doesnt get value from shout then though

[frosty mango]

phys meta comp will prob be brew/feral/sub/ww/rsham

maybe you replace ww with MM but i dont think so

[valid star]

nah man double monk especially with WW nerfs?

ww is dead in the water all the ww mains are crying

[frosty mango]

i think so, but i think its the flex spot

all I know for sure is you def have brew/rsham

[valid star]

havoc dude was saying in a kira vid that havoc is 70% phys damage with tier set so could slot in as well

[frosty mango]

feral has insane funnel and bres - its technically not the best but not having insta bres would hurt

[valid star]

i know about the sub hype but sin is also super strong atm apparently idk though i don't play nearly enough rogue

but if you're saying feral has the funnel too yeah i could see how double funnel would be problematic

[frosty mango]

WW dps is a little lower but it offers so much control

[true yoke]

Why in physical comps is better bm and not pwar

?

[slender bison]

Because ww sucks

And arms too

[fluid widget]

Brm+rdruid synergize really well

[sharp gale]

I think you are close just the ww is weird, and rdruid if untouched… well

[fluid widget]

Shame enh is in the gutter

[frosty mango]

yeah fair, rdruid also does phys dps and a lot of it

but i think skyfury takes the play

its just so strong

[fluid widget]

I could see a rdruid, spriest, vdh, mage, lock having a good time

[sharp gale]

Yes and enh is down it seems

[slender bison]

Thane nerf this week or next?

[sharp gale]

And ara Kara poisons

[fluid widget]

Probably before rwf is my guess but hopefully it doesn’t touch gameplay just tuning

[sharp gale]

Rsham is solid

[slender bison]

They're thin on dev hours for this season. The action is on Midnight. Prob just numbers

Microsoft dried them good

TBF for us tank puggers we'll take what we can. Ingame reality is that we'll rarely find a WW, Surv or Enh at the right key rating. So we'll prob play with that weird warlock or evoker

[toxic pewter]

Yah this seasons balance is going to be the messiest in a long time

Just gonna be complete slop

[restive oak]

if they weren't already min/maxing profit enough

[fluid widget]

Both lock and evoker seem to be in decent shape

[solid sun]

I mean the top gamers are saying we have four tanks vying for meta

Why do you think it’s going to be a slop

[sharp gale]

Tbf destro warlock is the best at uncap AoE it seems

[fluid widget]

Nerfs!

[slender bison]

I meant for puggers searching for Phys/melee comp dopamine

[fluid widget]

Oh yeah unless you’re pushing 15+ comp really matters less compared to competency

[toxic pewter]

It’s just part of the psyop no reason not to just keep playing vdh

And rest assured vdh will continue to reign supreme

Disregard the propaganda and it is all pretty clear

The physical comp is another piece of fake news to keep your attention away from the continual magic damage oppression that will also continue

Been hearing physical comp for years at this point I just continue to laugh

But be sure to nerf prot warr LOL

[cerulean tusk]

My fav part is that they always go:
"Why ppl no want to play tank?"
Right after they nerf the fun out of em Being OP aint fun, blizz said so

[slender bison]

This comes back to 2005:

• boss does whirlwind, melee run out, lose DPS. If tank doesn't stack mobs, melee lose dps
• casters cast spells, they need buff damage since a melee already did 2 GCDs of damage. Caster AoE bigger than melee cleave

Just that modern M+ is more high uptime of class resources

[fluid widget]

Ranged also has better uptime

And does equivalent or more than most melee

When was the last time that melee outnumbered ranged in rwf?

[slender bison]

Roleplay wise it doesn't make sense that a MM hunter make more aoe damage than a Fury warr with 2 giga cleaving swords. They should have left MM a single target killer specialist

Anyway

[slender bison]

When hunters had quivers to maintain

[warm plinth]

what'd I do

[fluid widget]

No quality control?

[cerulean tusk]

I dont know man, what is more dangerous. A man swinging a sword into your face.... Or a stick of TNT exploding in your face. Both will kill you, sure.

But in an AoE scenario, what is the most dangerous? My money is on the TNT.

[jagged gust]

MM hunters having Surv skills is the real issue

Strapping TNT to an arrow is a time honored survivalist tradition to be used for hunting and defending yourself and those filthy purist marksmen stole it

[solid sun]

Why are we laughing about physical comp

Didn’t Monksea or whatever that dude’s name is literally just do it

[oblique garnet]

I mean its literally just a skill issue with what comp you run

Rest of the neets are blasting 12hour days in keys to get slightly higher e-peen on rio after qualifying for the title

[solid sun]

Yeah idc I’m just not understanding the above conversation

The emo x user fury warrior been pushing high keys, like it doesn’t really seem like it matters much

[cerulean tusk]

Well, you see, a sword is dangerous and wielded by a very strong man it can do a lot of damage

but a stick of dynamite blowing up? Now that is power

[orchid mural]

Was eyeballing the Wowhead talents, and am surprised that colossus mythic+ build isn't taking Best Served Cold. Looks like it's disrupting shout instead.

MT enjoyer myself anyways, but was curious about the thought process there

[torn gulch]

because disrupting shout is very strong in the right situations

[fiery yacht]

Hello, i try to export those talents but it seems to be broken: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-leveling-guide

[rigid hull]

HOWS the prepatch talent build looking?

[strong forum]

This is updated for 11.2 but it's not 11.2 yet

You're 2 days early

[fiery yacht]

damn, how can i get the old one?

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOAUVBRFUgYVIpRUBBNVUVFREUFVZVUQCVAEFVVUBA

[fiery yacht]

thanks

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/tank-leveling-tips

You're in luck that I'm a bit swamped

So my leveling stuff is still s2 xd

[rigid hull]

is there a good 11.2 talent build i can see

[strong forum]

Wowhead and icyveins should be up to date with talent builds

To see the wowhead builds you gotta go to the ptr2 version of the website

[rigid hull]

ah alright

damn no last stand?

And lots of execute talents

[strong forum]

Yuh for raid

For m+ as thane you do pick last stand to get to thunderlord

[rigid hull]

what about enduring alacrity and and indomitable?

[strong forum]

You can only pick one of those 2

If you don't play execute cleave

[rigid hull]

it seems every defensive talent is skiped

[strong forum]

There's multiple builds

And yes indomitable is almost always skipped as its really weak these days

[fierce pumice]

Does thane Need season 3 tier to be ahead of Col or should we be swapping tomorrow regardless

[strong forum]

Thane requires new 4pc,yes

[fierce pumice]

thanks

[strong forum]

Until 4pc colossus is massively stronger than thane

[rigid hull]

shieeeeeeeeeeeet

i dont wanna leran colossus

[strong forum]

Okay lemme rephrase

Thane is entirely fine to play, colossus just does more damage

Until new 4pc

[rigid hull]

like how much more? 10%?

[strong forum]

30% in aoe

[rigid hull]

☠️

[strong forum]

That's assuming you do play correctly

Thane is easier

Colossus is slower and "harder"

[rigid hull]

ye i played a few dungeons sometimes im like i cant press any spells i dont have rage

[strong forum]

Yeh can't be as mindless as on thane

And thane gets even more mindless with new 4pc

And even faster

But gets like a 50% dmg buff because of 4pc

Fucking la-mo

[jagged gust]

I got a week to re-remember to press TC on CD

[strong forum]

I'll enlighten you

A thane 4pc outburst thunderblast, does more dmg on 4 targets than demolish

Best I've seen is 33mil on 4 targets with 710 ilvl

that's alot

And you get disgusting amounts of TBs with 4pc

[ocean acorn]

are we gunna be always outbursting on TB now

instead of slam?

[strong forum]

On 2+ targets ye

[ocean acorn]

oh wow

[strong forum]

On ST still SS

[pallid quiver]

i think that number is more than i have fingers, so i don't think i can count how big that is, nome

plz explain as you would to a rock

[strong forum]

Many beeg

[pallid quiver]

wow

thats a lotta beeg

[strong forum]

Yeah

That's 100% more beeg

[pallid quiver]

wow

and 100 is like, a lotta hands

so that's like a lotta lotta beeg

[strong forum]

Yeup

[pseudo matrix]

Oh is thane prot kinda broken in the ptr rn or is every tank just op now

[frosty mango]

angry lightning man big stomp many damages

good proc rate five big booms

[fiery yacht]

Is the protection warrior the strongest man in terms of damage in end game?

[drowsy shale]

Yeah boy I can pretend to be Thor

Bout to be RP magnet for the babes

[round cliff]

ur gonna get fury warrior nerfed by association

😔

[toxic pewter]

i am not a fan of our new spec tree

has too many weak nodes and annoying choices to be made lol

just let me have it all

[solid sun]

Is the protection warrior the strongest man in terms of damage in end game?

This is the best constructed question we have ever received

Omega props to Obersack

We are the strongest man

[modern spindle]

I somehow turned text to speech on accidentally and the end line with ai voice broke me

[frosty patio]

hey guys how can I improve as prot? I'm 355 and getting destroyed in +7 cinderbrew in opening room

sorry 655

both struggling to hold threat and also low survivability

even with just 2 mobs at a time

[lusty grotto]

kinda need logs

but low thread can be attributed from weapon ilvl to gameplay

so hard to say

big shield > big weapon > big trinkets > helm/chest/legs > everything else > accessories

and also since its cinderbrew, make sure youre not getting hit on your ass and keep SB up (as you should be doing anyway)

and/or reset the bleed

with a shockwave -> move away or leap

[frosty patio]

yeah i wonder if it's the bleed that's getting me

[lusty grotto]

logs would tell

it can be any combination

[frosty patio]

ok thanks for the help, if I go again i'll run logs

[native ember]

by the time i get 4 piece tier shit will be nerfed into the ground is my bet

[shut summit]

or before any of us get it

[toxic gyro]

It’s ok. They will nerf tier and buff thane surely

[frosty mango]

Nah

[native ember]

oh wow farming tome and pacemaker again lmao even after the nerfs shit cray

[frosty mango]

IMO one of three things happens.

Tomorrow we see thane get nerfed

Raid release patch day we see thane get nerfed

Thane survives and is in RWF and then gets nerfed after as it decimates in rwf

I think we see it get nerfed raid release day but if we keep pushing our anti-brewmaster agenda, we might get lucky

[native ember]

warrior for sure is getting nerfed without a doubt already mentally prepared its just the life we chose.

[agile elbow]

It'll be okay as long as VDH doesn't get touched boys.

[inner arch]

any way for warrs to safely do knuckles on mugzee

[lusty grotto]

spell ward

or just leap around / tigers lust / freedom speed

or be human and racial it

[lofty warren]

what are things to get my sad 620 pwar up to some decent ilvl in 2 hrs?

[maiden forge]

get belt

[solar forum]

Timewalking quest gives hero piece. Weekly mythic dungeon quest gives hero piece. First dinar gives hero piece. Belt

[maiden forge]

takes like 30-40 mins to max out the belt from fresh in 1s

[lofty warren]

so sad

[burnt lantern]

DISC Belt, do one of the Nightfall weekly quests for the hourly event in Hallowfall for a specific Champion item, convert Valorstones into random Champion dungeon items from vendor next to M+ portal in Dornogal, Delves

[maiden forge]

craft pieces

[lofty warren]

what is the name of the quest to give belt

[lusty grotto]

or just wait until tomorrow and grab whatever quest slop drops

and/or events

[burnt lantern]

Durable Information Securing Container

Get it from Dagran in Brann's hut in Dorn

[native ember]

run 2 visions 4 - 5 mask heroic pieces

[lofty warren]

not with my gear

[native ember]

wait cant u buy gear from the vendor or atleast weapons if u unlocked on another toon ?

thinking about it id honestly just lvl the belt up asap and wait till tomorrow and do 11.2 stuff

[torpid fiber]

so the play is to run colossus since thane is def getting nerfed, ya?

[lofty warren]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=217888/dagran-thaurissan-ii where the fck is this npc

[native ember]

think he is by brann

where the delve stuff is in dorn

[lofty warren]

0 YARS AWAY THANK U

[raven kernel]

Not there

The delve hut

Where brann is

[native ember]

um check ur journal maybe u can pick the starting quest up there

[lofty warren]

i got it

the wowhead coordinates wrong

eww i dont want to go into a dwelve

[native ember]

think u can just do it on a tier 1

[pastel sleet]

will we be using the disc belt in s3? like do i need to farm it out on all my toons tonight?

[lofty warren]

yes at least in beginning

[quasi idol]

If the circlet is anything to go by it'll remain relevant deeper into the season

Since blizz can't balance their fun fomo keep you subbed through the lull gimmick items

[frosty mango]

Depends, are you asking this question today or tomorrow

Then yes

[indigo vessel]

is there a way to make a WA for demo shout that is only on my screen when it comes off cd

[steel onyx]

Yes

You can even add a sound alert if you want

[indigo vessel]

now i gotta find someone to make it 😄

[undone beacon]

QUICK I HAVE 1 MORE DINAR THING TO BUY AND I HAVE ALL THE MOGS

PLATINUM PLATING TIME?!?!

[frosty mango]

You can use the built in premade option to do this

It will take 3 seconds. New aura > premade auras > icon > buffs

[indigo vessel]

tytyty

how do i make it so its on my screen when its up but go away if its on CD

[fluid widget]

did they remove needing to talent into Shockwave for Colossus in 11.2? ST colossus raid build doesn't have points in it, but not able to do that live

[last ivy]

I'm leveling my first prot warrior, and icyveins and wowhead tell me to get the "armor specialization" talent, but my talent tree looks totally different

Why does my talent tree look totally different in game compared to the guides

[vivid orchid]

the guides are updated for tomorrow's patch

[last ivy]

oh see i thought ingame the trees were already updated.
maybe i was just thinking about pre patches for new expansions

thanks

[grizzled nova]

Create a wa for demo shout, go into the trigger tab, make a trigger Type Spell -> Cooldown/Charges/Count -> Type Demoralizing Shout in Name -> On "show" in the bottom right, drop the box down and select "Not on cooldown"

[indigo vessel]

Goat, thank you

[vague abyss]

hows the protection holding up? i keep hearing guildies say we are really strong in the PTR. Also seems Thane is back on the menu 😄

[mighty valley]

ya thane damage is so strong that we’re extremely expecting a nerf soon

[solid sun]

no

brew needs to be nerfed

thane is just fine

It's just fine

[neon elk]

Yea last time i checked brew went over all charts , doing dps tier dmg and whatnot , if i was at blizz i would check that first

[west perch]

Would it be worth it to get the aoe fear for keys as an extra sort of stop? Or doesnt it work like the fear sigil from dh?

[naive gale]

its pretty bad - target capped at 6

but you can take it if you really need another stop

[jagged grove]

yo! new to prot for this upcoming patch and was reading the wowhead guide and the only resource i see mentioned is rage, however when i downloaded one of the recommended WAs in wowhead(afenars) it has like 3 resource bars, the one in the bottom thats wider is rage, what are the other 2? i was thinking something w hero talent maybe? thx in advance 🙂

tryna understand what im looking at here hehe

[frosty mango]

you would need to look at the afenar WA docs

or alternatively go beat on a dummy and see when they light up

[naive gale]

Pretty solid chance it’s a shield block tracker and an ignore pain tracker

But yeah definitely just check the weakaura pack or hit a dummy

[frosty mango]

if I had to guess the top one is prob shield block

the middle one could be anything

but probably ignore pain

[jagged grove]

Thanks for the help, blue one is 100% shield block

[tame jasper]

wow all our trinkets drop from M+? 😮 That's unexpected, but not bad

[split kiln]

Do we have the talents for tomorrow?

I don't see anything in pins

[tame jasper]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/war-within-season-3 seems to be updated now by our master @strong forum - thank you for your guide!

[vague abyss]

oh nice, ara-kara egg inA tier

so good to go back to the egg farm again xD

[split kiln]

I see M+ Weekly & M+ Push I guessing Weekly means DPS talents?

Is Execute highest in Priority list with talents chosen?

I see no options to add talents in rotation area

[jagged gust]

Weekly is DPS yeah, you'll notice push drops exe talents for Hunker Down and Enduring Alacrity.

[fiery wren]

if I am watching a dungeon guide, and it says "tank press a defensive for this tank buster" should I assume he means something more significant than just shield block or ignore pain?

[jagged gust]

Generally yes

Basically save a shield wall for it

[fiery wren]

👍 thanks

[jagged gust]

sometimes it's a blockable phys tank buster and it doesn't move our hp regardless, so it's a case by case thing

[hushed cobalt]

When going to thane, defenders aegis > impenetrable wall even with the extra shield slam casts from burst of power?

[rigid hull]

is it possible to play mountain thane without spear? spear feels awkward

[fervent thorn]

IMO spear is good utility, for enemies that get knocked by certain things or jump back. Was very useful in darkflame and priory this season

For me

[idle copper]

Thunderous Roar DPS difference is minimal and you can have it up every pull

[ionic fern]

Yes. Roar is the preferred option in m+.

[fervent thorn]

Yeah you can do roar if dps is all you care about

[idle copper]

It helps with pulls as well tbh

[fervent thorn]

Are you talking about getting aggro?

[idle copper]

Yep

[fervent thorn]

I suppose. Though using it to get aggro without other cds likely reduces dps

[idle copper]

It's still got good utility in m+ , more so in pugs

[fervent thorn]

I also don't have a place to talk since I don't play roar in m+ I play spear, just my intuition

[fervent thorn]

What's the other utility it brings other than makes aggro easier

[idle copper]

I ment the aggro

[fervent thorn]

Because like spear has more utility

Other than just big dam

Spear has the chaining mobs together+ Increased rage regeneration with the other talent if you want

And chaining at least is very useful like one of those druid abilities

Not saying you can't play roar just saying makes certain pulls easier purely on how you can engage with them

[idle copper]

Not really arguing against spears utility

Original guy was looking not to use spear. Roars generally preferred in m+

[fervent thorn]

k

[ionic fern]

Spear has utility,yes. Roar has lower cd and ease of use.

I prefer roar in m+ 100 percent of the time.

[little ermine]

I'im using afenar pack aswell, the fist bar is shield block, the second is ignore pain

[zinc iris]

Did shield charge and champions bulwark get combined or is it just gone like battering ram

[rough egret]

yes its combined

[zinc iris]

okay, is there a good explanation on the talent changes? I didnt see one on wowhead

[rough egret]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/war-within-season-3

[zinc iris]

I mean

yeah

But that didnt explain that bulwark got combined with shield charge 🤷

[violet ginkgo]

well what kind of explanation do you hope for?

[rough egret]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection

[zinc iris]

one like that ty, is that icyveins?

[rough egret]

open 10.2 talent calculator

and check what you need 🙂 "live" version of wowhead has mismatched tooltips

[zinc iris]

right, I assumed the tooltips were all right, thats why I was confused about shield charge

[rough egret]

well patch is not live yet 🙂 so will be corrected when it is.

[fervent thorn]

I am glad they got merged so I can use points elsewhere, still rip spell block

I really liked spell block

[blazing condor]

why did they kill spell block

[fervent thorn]

Something something doesn't apply to aoe magic, something something ppl don't know how to use it right

[blazing condor]

if blizzard removed things based off of skill issue from the players then we wouldnt have any abilities left

[fervent thorn]

pr sure that's the justification

[blazing condor]

all the interrupts would be deleted

[fervent thorn]

that they used

That the knowledge needed to use it effectively is too large and they want it to be simpler to effectively play prot

Therefore remove big defensive and cry

[blazing condor]

i mean if they wanted to make it simpler just make it so that you dont need to have normal shield block up to 100% block spells

just make it a blanket duration where you block spells

and then add something in the tooltip about it being direct spells

[fervent thorn]

Should've given prot mass spell reflect as a talent

Make it a minute and 30 seconds like spell block was

applies to 5 people total

If they did that I would've been happy with spell block removal

[rough egret]

there is no crit haste shiled from M+ in S3?

[ionic fern]

There are 3 shields total in this season. 2 from raid, 1 from m+.

And the only haste/crit one is from raid.

[rough egret]

wow so getting one from M+ vault slot will be rly wining a lottery

[jagged gust]

shield stats are pretty negligible

[ionic fern]

If you don't raid,you can freely craft a shield..tho we get a lot of haste/crit from tier this time around, so using a shield with other stats is fully acceptable.

[nocturne spindle]

also shield is from 2nd boss which is usually very pugable early on

[hardy nacelle]

Is there somewhere that shows stat's on tier pieces?

[fiery yacht]

I leveled my Protection warrior from 10 to 80 and it was a very fun experience.

it is a very good fun that he always did enough damage.

[sharp gale]

Yes rend is really weird when you leveling

[fierce thistle]

If i wanted to dps raid but tank m+ (only heroic) am I better off going arms or fury? I know fury would be harder in terms of two weapons but idk if stat prio makes fury a better pick?
Or does it not matter that much

[jagged gust]

Fury is just outright better than Arms rn

[sharp gale]

Arms is closer to prot, but it will not matter if you play fury with prot stats

For heroic

The biggest issue is the 2 weapons yes

[young oasis]

Guys, is Golden Valorstone that you purchase with Algari Token of Merit is going to be usable in S3?

[sharp gale]

For example, I play fury in my guild raid and prot in keys, I have a billion mastery, 0 crit when I do keys

(Neck and rings are the best flexible slots)

For the vaults, you can : open as prot until you craft your shield, then open as fury until you craft your 1 handed weapon and then open as arms until you get 2 handed wep, to return opening as prot

[fierce thistle]

Would it not he better to open as arms? Or did they stop fury from dropping 1h weapon in vault
(Or is that the plan so I can use it for prot)

Oh wait ignore me I misread

Downsides of reading discord at work

[sharp gale]

Im presupposing you want to be better geared as prot first

Since once you clear the heroic raid = you don’t need better gear to clear it again

(And I guessed you prefer m+ > raid)

[fierce thistle]

Ye, its v early and my brain kneejerked back to maining fury in bfa and getting a 1h weapon and being incredibly tilted 😅

[sharp gale]

Yes, in my view : you want a shield asap crafted or vault, then you open as fury to have 1 hand and 2 hands (vault is random so might just roll on both), if you don’t loot a 1 hand, you craft it etc

You will feel bad to have hero 2 handed weapons in the meantime, but if you are capable of patience

[rough egret]

are the caps known for crests? its like 80 from each type?

[sharp gale]

I would guess 90 per week, like S1 and S2

It is 75 to upgrade a mythic track vault item, and 60 (30 per week) to craft

[sharp merlin]

my guild is letting me tank for the first week, but due to politics 😛 I need to move to dps, should I use the craft x1 2h for at least a weapon before the next season?

I'm EU btw

I'll do Arms War

[rough egret]

fury is higher in meters

you can maybe drop some 2handers in next week M0s

[neon elk]

Even hc dung one will be enough , can probably send it to m0 ilvl with just valors and few lowest crests

[sharp merlin]

alright, I'll do my best

tbf, I'm gonna one button it 😂

and just focus tanking M+ ahaha

[neon elk]

But if u have spare crests and spark just send em on wep honestly , they are gona be replaced by anything but worst case scenario u wasted few gold only

[sharp gale]

You can use your crests and keep the reagent in your bag, do m0 and craft if no loot

You still can craft s2 items in s3, if you have the materials

[sharp merlin]

fair enough

yeah my prot war has like over 500 gilded

the amount of 15's done when I didn't need gear is funny 😂 , but yet, I never got full Myth tier set across the season, crazy luck

[slender bison]

I have 1.2k gilded, will we get gold for these or should change to reagent and sell those tomorrow?

[sharp merlin]

omg you can do that?

[slender bison]

No idea

Can't sell enchanted gilded currently

And I don't know if we get gold automatically from gilded crests reset

[stone ice]

btw, does anybody know if the prot warrior sim that was floating around was just straight slamming execute fully or was it actually trying to keep shieldblock and or IP up?

how does the prot warrior apl work generally

[jagged pier]

u can go read it

its open source

but it will keep shield block and stuff up

[ionic fern]

It keeps SB up. It also has a very complex string for IP,which was created by Nomeratur. I THINK it mostly sends Executed during execute phase tho instead of feeding into IP.

[stone ice]

reasonable, my cotank better be holding that boss in execute, im busy

thank you 🙂

[rough egret]

can we say that its pretty close to how colosus played in S2? - if you dont need to feed the IP shield, dump rage to dmg

[ionic fern]

Jep. Pretty much untouched.

[sharp gale]

If you played the massacre / last stand shield block build you will see no diff

[ebon scaffold]

Yeah I haven’t raided in years so I’m assuming crafting a shield will probably be one of the first things I craft or a weapon.

[rough egret]

shield>weapon

[unkempt granite]

At the start of the season, if we have a s2 set, do we play colos or thane on m+?

[karmic plinth]

thane isnt super ahead until 4pc

[sharp merlin]

anyone else kinda not pumped?

[round pendant]

I prefer really not to speak

if I speak, I am in big trouble

[sharp merlin]

ahaha, I think I played far too much in S2 and now I'm feeling burnout, might be me. Might be also the Dungeons, like Priory and Flood staying in, fucking sucks

I don't mind the dungeons per say, but bringing back 2 you already played is diabolical, and even bringing back Dawn / Ara kara is awful

Wonder if they implemented the leaver system for the Sacbrood if it doesn't drop on first boss 😂

[ionic fern]

Why not?

[sharp merlin]

I literally just yapped

[ionic fern]

Oh,just read.:D

Was scrolled up

[sharp merlin]

ahahah 😄

[round pendant]

Priory and Flood were my favourite dungeons so I'm happy to play those

[ionic fern]

If you enjoy fast APM,then the prot with tier is going to be fun for you tho

[round pendant]

but anything b2b feels kinda bad

[ionic fern]

I enjoyed it on PTR..maybe it will bring you back.

[sharp merlin]

ahaha love triggering my partner with the high APM clicking sounds 😂

[ionic fern]

[sharp merlin]

We share an office at home and if I work remotely and do a quick dungeon she can immediately tell when I'm on 😂 . I have my revenge key set to one of my mouse buttons, my keyboard is pretty silent, but I spam Revenge like crazy 😂 instantly triggered

[sharp merlin]

not to mention my success rate on Priory was around 75%, by far my lowest

Floodgate was 94% which isn't bad

[viscid lantern]

Maybe she wants to labor a little Urukhai warrior?

[solid sun]

I’m pretty hyped

Not necessarily for this week since there isn’t anything to do

But for the season overall I think it’s gonna be fun

[mortal cypress]

if you are wrong will you buy the entire Skyhold server a month's sub like you promised

[neon elk]

What kind of apm are we talking about ? 100ish?

[round pendant]

at least 3

[jagged pier]

105+

[ionic nimbus]

Just keep in mind, that in the past we had the same 8 Dungeons for a whole expansion… i feel the same but we are keeping the better ones ( Route changes in Priory are good tbh)

[jagged pier]

what happens when u dont take breaks

[harsh trellis]

New route in priory??

[neon elk]

105 is manageable , gotta be fun unless its a allnighter and my wrist will kill me

[neon elk]

But we had seasonal affix which usualy changed stuff a bit

[ionic nimbus]

Top route is gettin big in s3, fiery guy is mucheasier now

[harsh trellis]

Nice

I still wish they would give all tanks some form of abom limb ability

[jagged pier]

why they got rid of abom limb

[harsh trellis]

yeah but itd still be nice.... or just reprogram all the mobs to not have to stop to cast lol

I hate tryin to gather everything up on that first pull in priory so much

[ionic nimbus]

As war it’s easy, dps and heal just have to stay close, then archers are in melee Range with 1st Jump

[earnest cove]

Like trust your party to do stuff right?

[solid sun]

Well I’ve seen my idiot friends stay right on my ass and it takes them forever to jump in

Sometimes

Sometimes it still kinda sucks

[earnest cove]

Minimum range for shooters like in Classic would just be great…

[mellow bridge]

that would be even worse lol

instead of getting them stacked they would just try to run out and shoot again the entire time

[harsh trellis]

I remember atonement not being all that fun

[waxen frigate]

you remember wrong

[warm plinth]

Halls is one of the best m+ dungeons of all time

And the only dungeon with Halls in its name that isn't utter shit

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/splash-splish-youropinionistrash-duck-trash-gif-18626505

[waxen frigate]

real

halls of infusion 🤢

[earnest cove]

In Classic they just start meleeing and Stick to you

[mellow bridge]

mh yeah i think youre right

i was thinking about the ranged mobs that have a net

those like to net in melee and then run out to shoot

[waxen frigate]

my favorite mobs were the ones in that delve in the spider area they added in tww

the ones that have interruptible ranged attacks

but when you interrupt it they dont melee

they just stand there and wait for it to come off CD

and then keep casting

whoever designed those needs to be shot

[warm plinth]

XD

[frosty mango]

Who hurt you

[solid sun]

Halls of Atonement is def an all timer

Or at least it was

I didn’t play the ptr

[warm plinth]

Name another one

[solid sun]

How do we feel about Sethekk Halls

[harsh trellis]

I just remember always needing a rogue in atonement

[solid sun]

It’s pretty fast in TW

[harsh trellis]

I do love dawnbreaker

[native ember]

db is free asf

[sharp merlin]

Yeah I know, I pushed, got the rio I wanted, and then stupidly got other tanks to 3k solo, bad mistake

[harsh trellis]

the important thing is to find the 2 worst keys and push those as high as possible earlier on in the season

[sharp merlin]

Are we still the tank which the Healthbar doesn't drop 😂 ?

I loved how my Prot literally ate boss mechanics and was like.. fleshwound 😄

[harsh trellis]

I hated mother in floodgate , that was about it

[waxen frigate]

I have heard it’s tuned really awful

[waxen frigate]

You needed invis in most SL keys

Not a rogue per se though

[mellow bridge]

hoa timer seems sussy

and 3rd boss has a nasty add spawn without having a lantern up

that probably should get looked at

[cerulean tusk]

Prob meant to be the healer CD moment, no?

[frosty mango]

Shadow labs

[frosty mango]

Third boss is much easier with monk

[solid sun]

Are you a Brew now

[frosty mango]

You can hasty provocation the add to make it move 50% faster and then you don’t get that dumb overlap

[frosty mango]

No but I play mistweaver all the time lol

Just saying you can avoid that stupid overlap

[plush tendon]

L take

HoI grew on me

[undone beacon]

But but spell reflecting the tank beam on last boss

Made the whole dungeon worth it

[plush tendon]

I love the first area

huge pulls

[neon elk]

Damn this looks like a total valid reason to nerf monk and leave warr how they are ..

[fiery badge]

What’s gonna be easier Prot or Brew

[plush tendon]

Prot War

I will die on the hill that Prot War is the easiest tank

[frosty mango]

Have you not played Druid

[plush tendon]

I have, Prot War still easier

and theres nothing wrong with that!

[neon elk]

How is prot easier tha druid in your eyes ?

[plush tendon]

I mean, they play pretty similar

[frosty mango]

You think prot war is easier than a class that doesn’t require you to have any awareness of directionality or manage your active mit?

[plush tendon]

so its not a huge difference

[frosty mango]

I mean don’t get me wrong prot isn’t hard

The nuance is in optimizing damage, ec guardian has no nuance though, you just spam 4 buttons as you w key through mobs

[neon elk]

Dotc might look kinda harder to new player and is deffo harder than ec tho, still wouldnt consider overal class harder than war

[plush tendon]

from my limited time playing bear, you have more decisions to make when spending rage on ironfur or damage

prot doesnt really have those decisions anymore

as Col sure

[frosty mango]

That’s not true at all

Ironfur is damage

[tight hinge]

you legit just spam ironfur

that's the game lol

[plush tendon]

eh, I still think Prot is easier with more tools

[frosty mango]

Ironfur spam with me and the boys

[plush tendon]

we can press SB and that matches whatever stack of ironfur you got

[neon elk]

I would compare IF to IP more likely

[plush tendon]

and cant you also catweave?

is that a thing still

[frosty mango]

Negative

[plush tendon]

or heart of the wild damage window

I remember back in SL you could heart of the wild, boomkin, and convoke for dammies

granted, I played cocaine bear

[neon elk]

Like u wanna at least one stack , and have close to 100% uptime, but in incarn or a lot of rage windows u just spam it to not overcap rage, like we spam ip

[solid sun]

As a rhino I can tell you that bear is definitely the easiest tank

[plush tendon]

Ill concede to call Bear 1A and Prot War 1B

I really dont think the variance of the two is that much

[neon elk]

Dotc catweave a lot, or at least will do in 11.2, less in m+ tho

[young galleon]

Hey, what should i craft as chest piece for my prot warrior going for m+. And which emballishment? i have none for now

[frosty mango]

Uh maybe as thane but that’s still not true. On bear ironfur is your active mit and frenzied regen is your smooth tool. On warrior ip is your smooth tool

[plush tendon]

whatever looks cool tbh

itll be replaced real soon

[solid sun]

Prot war is probably the second easiest, but you can make an argument it’s bdk because the content where it shines is easier and eventually you just die and that’s just how it works

[plush tendon]

or just do M0 today

[frosty mango]

As thane you are spamming ip but not because it’s a defensive, you are spamming it because it’s an ogcd rage burn vehicle to enable violent outburst

[plush tendon]

and get a 681 piece

[young galleon]

its tomorrow it'll reset in sweden i think. so i'll use my gilded now?

[frosty mango]

I dunno I feel like brain load is max on bdk for me lol

[plush tendon]

I cant speak on BDK since its my most played spec since Wrath

[young galleon]

but i dont even know where to find the items honestly

[plush tendon]

I can play that with my eyes closed

[solid sun]

I just think playing bdk at a basic level is incredibly easy

[plush tendon]

in my experience, in trivial content you are basically god

[tight hinge]

bdk resource juggling makes me feel stupid irl. but i am stupid irl

[neon elk]

And thats what u do as bear with if tho, u are right about what they do , and they arent exactly same, but i huge pull with incarn up, u still spam IF to dunp rage even if u are caped , just like u spam IP , not for defensive purpose but to dump rage .

Granted i havent realy played druid much lately , but that was the case for past xpacs

[plush tendon]

once you get to something non trivial, then you playing on a knifes edge

[solid sun]

Brew these days makes me feel like I have too many things going on at once

[frosty mango]

But on bear you are just binding ironfur all the time regardless

[frosty mango]

Dont worry shado pan brew is just statue and keg smash

Flurry strikes doing all the work lol

[plush tendon]

I think the hardest tank is Prot Pal

[frosty mango]

Based on how many of them I’ve run with who are clueless I agree

[tight hinge]

definitely easiest to explode on lol

[plush tendon]

at a simple level, its perfectly fine

[solid sun]

The brew discord also always makes me feel stupid

[tight hinge]

they do that on purpose

[solid sun]

Pwar discord never makes me feel stupid

[plush tendon]

we zug zug here

[young galleon]

Guys can some1 plz help me find the chest piece that should be crafted for prot? Where do i even find the options?

[plush tendon]

the answer is dont

[cerulean tusk]

You should craft one?

[plush tendon]

just get a 681 from M0 this week

[cerulean tusk]

Did brewmonks lie to you?

[young galleon]

well my guilded will go tomorrow?

gilded*

[plush tendon]

why even spend the gold tbh

[young galleon]

might as well use them. itemlvl 550

cant even do m0

[cerulean tusk]

I guess

[young galleon]

i got gold

[frosty mango]

Yeah but you’ll get 681 from m0 tomorrow

[plush tendon]

your best bet is to get the delve gear

and cata them into tier

[young galleon]

if i can even do m0 mate

[frosty mango]

You will literally craft it today and replace it tomorrow lol

[cerulean tusk]

Just go to the crafter table, armor, plate, chest

[plush tendon]

if you got today to do that

[frosty mango]

You can

[young galleon]

ok, ty funky!

[cerulean tusk]

Enjoy i guess

[plush tendon]

I think its mistake

just mole up in delves, get some champ track gear

and cata

[cerulean tusk]

Not up to us to decide

[plush tendon]

Id rather craft shield and weppy

[sharp gale]

If you want some free loot : visions

[plush tendon]

visions also good

and flames radiance

and, if you got rep, 2 free hero crafts

from killing Gally storymode and renown

[sharp gale]

For 5 mask alt, you remove : more enemies, 50% sanity, 300% sanity damage

[plush tendon]

I did my two 8 masks

was actually a decent challange

but nemesis makes it really free

you get so much free sanity from hogger and gamon

Aleria is still a bitch of a fight though

[sharp gale]

Yes but with a dogshit alt (who might not have a tank spec), 8 is rough

[plush tendon]

oh yea, dont do 8

5 is fine

[fiery badge]

I’m gonna just wait until reset and spam delves

[plush tendon]

a true mole

so proud

https://tenor.com/view/mole-cute-cute-mole-kuroiwa-judgment-gif-7088429688355117093

[cerulean tusk]

Why spam delves, when m+ soon

[rough egret]

What if gandalf was a dwarf warrior

[plush tendon]

Delves week 1

to fill vault

chance at tier? I think

[sharp gale]

I did 5 with ppal and brew, I was surprised how few mobs there are without the more enemies mask

[plush tendon]

or just I level

not sure

[cerulean tusk]

I am good without

[plush tendon]

but its free loot

[cerulean tusk]

[plush tendon]

I actually like delves

when I need a break from M+

can zone out and just kill stuff

[blazing shuttle]

And all M0s to fill vault, too.

[cerulean tusk]

Frieren do like that pointless timewaste content

[plush tendon]

its great that they give gilded crests to

[blazing shuttle]

Also, so much this. And you can get neat mogs.

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-anime-menacing-gif-14669549200295475965

[plush tendon]

I like to do it cause you can get champ track loot also

[blazing shuttle]

Eh.

[plush tendon]

perfect for late in the tier cata for LFR/Normal mog

[solid sun]

Be careful kitty