are the raid boots spiecal for some reason or rare drop again?
#protection
jagged pier
wicked pollen
1 every 10 people on boss for random armor type and special bc increases proc of cloak
jagged pier
so u would emblishment belt and bracers then
vale escarp
are the raid boots spiecal for some reason or rare drop again?
Yes, they buff the cloak effect by Up to 50%
vale escarp
If you start with an early crafted shield you could use it for the effect
wicked pollen
does a shield drop within the first 4 bosses?
jagged pier
yes
half tinsel
so u would emblishment belt and bracers then
you are not going to embellish the belt though? you have delve belt for now ?
wicked pollen
im currently in title
jagged pier
3rd i believe
jagged pier
you are not going to embellish the belt though? you have delve belt for now ?
which wont be better
wicked pollen
i need some more and im safe
jagged pier
they already said they dont want it to be used all season
vale escarp
you are not going to embellish the belt though? you have delve belt for now ?
It will be replaced with HC gear
wicked pollen
half tinsel
Okay thanks for info, feel a little less panicked about getting an extra crafted item aha
frigid valley
gear alts in delves they said, it'll be quick they said
drowsy shale
681next week
rough egret
is any of the delve trinkets pool interesting? š
ionic fern
Looking slick.
jagged pier
ty 
stone ice
"realistically", prot damage is getting nerfed based on current sims right? or have they been ok in the past with a tank blasting this much harder over the other tanks?
ionic fern
There will be a tuning pass for sure.
Some trinkets still don't have tank multiplier reductions either.
Wait for tuning in the next few days is my best bet
neon elk
I mean is pwar "that" ahead realy ?
ionic fern
They will have to adjust Colossus/mt already, regardless of other specs.
From history we've seen that they usually nerf the stronger one instead of buffing the weaker one.
stone ice
they also tend to not nerf stuff thats good in HC week by too much because they dont want to fuck over the characters that people prepared
stone ice
I mean is pwar "that" ahead realy ?
its simming a good chunk higher than the other tanks, yes
and then you add the fact that if the cotank is fine with holding the boss the pwar gets to just hard dump executes towards the end, that can make a noticeable "total raid damage" difference
ionic nimbus
From history we've seen that they usually nerf the stronger one instead of buffi...
In an Interview blizz told that itās much more efficient to nerf 5 outliners down than buffing the other 30s.
ionic fern
In an Interview blizz told that itās much more efficient to nerf 5 outliners dow...
Makes sense if they balance dps'ers as there are so many specs/classes. But when talking about the same spec and a difference in Hero trees,it can go either way.
I just got a strong feeling that they are going to nerf Mt to the ground and then forget about prot for another 2 patches.
ionic nimbus
Makes sense if they balance dps'ers as there are so many specs/classes. But when...
With herotalents they opened the box ofā¦.. tuning 2 different Speccs at the same timeā¦ thatās a big Mf fiesta of balancingā¦ they were drunk when they implemented this
ionic nimbus
I just got a strong feeling that they are going to nerf Mt to the ground and the...
Hopefully they buff arms colossus, and Prot is getting up again
ionic fern
Jep. MT does feel kinda too fast tho APM wise
I enjoy it,but I doubt a lot of people do
stone ice
i like it because i like ignore pain and i like having good snap aggro on aoe
ionic nimbus
The colossus shockwave is a big W, missing that part as Thane
ionic fern
True.
stone ice
but yeah idk what the current sim was but MT prot was simming like a noticeable chunk above the other tanks
rough egret
being 5% bigger is loss too
ionic nimbus
Would laugh my ass off if they nerf Prot Thane and the nerf is connected to fury aswell
rough egret
depends what they nerf, if tier set then yeah its GG
ionic fern
Well,tier is slapping hard right now for Mt.
trim delta
Thatās what I was wondering. Do I get to play MT in raid, or am I stuck on Colossus for Raid and M+ all patch again? Haha
burnt crane
question regarding shield block ? Did the duration refresh or adds up to the current buff timer if I press it again ? Same things with Shield Charge granting it
glad crater
question regarding shield block ? Did the duration refresh or adds up to the cur...
adds up
burnt crane
Okay thanks
stone ice
Mt is simming better than colossus in keys/raid?
currently yes, i lost the most recent sim tho, maybe somebody has it
glad crater
Hmmm ok, sims are way better than me anyway but i can't have a dps near the colossus with thane, don't know why
in aoe situation
still crown
Are you on PTR?
crimson furnace
will this be the 1st patch where we enter untouched??
and where we stay untouched??
crimson furnace
jakey i saw the post with ur human female warrior and that xmog looks old and worn, welcome to the 30+ club :)))
gusty dawn
well we have a new tree
Wait what?
stone ice
well we have a new tree
also blizzard tends to be comfortable with specs that just got a rework being very good that patch
reworking a tree and then the class being terrible (even if that happened for other reasons) is bad optics
agile elbow
Blizzard will blizzard and they'll give us a week or two and then nerf both warrior and brew so vdh is the only"top tank " again. Cycle of life.
lime urchin
just press thundahclap
and let the cycle be the cycle
we will hail thundah and press revenj regardless
it has been like this since BFA
stone ice
Blizzard will blizzard and they'll give us a week or two and then nerf both warr...
well, vdh is the top tank because it slots perfectly into the mdi comp and poeple copy that comp, not because vdh is objectively better
agile elbow
Correct.
stone ice
for people to even get clued into the zug zug melee comp being real blizzard would have to make it high-end meta for like, a few patches in a row. a lot of the biggest battleshout enjoyers are absysmal player populations because they havent been popular in so long
vocal pawn
Played vdh, played lots of brew and bear. Just finally leveled a warrior and man is it fun.
stone ice
Correct.
lowkey, as a first step for next expansion if they want to keep raid buffs, they should move to a really boring system like ff14 where every unique class in your group is like a 1% damage buff flat and thats it
if the goal is to just get everybody a raid spot
without creating calcified metas in which prot warrior has been a really good tank for quite a while but the guy with the magic debuff gets all the play
this isnt even a sigil of silence situation, we have a real aoe kick
undone beacon
Remove all tanks but VDH easy game
But give VDH a shield and thunder clap and frenzied regen and incarn and thrash and death strike and keg smash and
rough egret
and Moonfire
fluid widget
They just need to find a way to make battle shout, mystic touch, and chaos brand spec agnostic
stone ice
again, this is basically all downstream from a mix of target caps and mage being the only consistently good class with lust and the dh magic debuff
fluid widget
Raid buff scrolls mean youād see 8 demo locks in rwf
stone ice
They just need to find a way to make battle shout, mystic touch, and chaos brand...
yeah, again, the FF14 solution is super boring but you just get flat% damage for people in each role, in wow that could be simply a flat % buff to throughput based on how many different classes you have, and then delete all raidbuffs
con: boring, zero class fantasy etc, pro: still gets everybody a raid spot (the design goal behind raid buffs), but doesnt calcify certain meta comps in keys
undone beacon
Raid buff scrolls mean youād see 8 demo locks in rwf
Good I want to recreate the burning legion at home
stone ice
also no you wouldnt really see stacking that hard and if people really want to stack you could before as well, like, last boss was killed with what? 4 mages and 5 monks?
ebon scaffold
So if you donāt raid at all and just push keys, are you not worried about the boots at all? I didnāt touch a single raid s2
fluid widget
Or just chaos brand and mystic touch do the same thing but stack with each other and then make battle shout give 3% damage
undone beacon
So if you donāt raid at all and just push keys, are you not worried about the bo...
Yeah more or less
rough egret
So if you donāt raid at all and just push keys, are you not worried about the bo...
your shiled will be there every 6 mins instead 3 mins
stone ice
The need to bring back raid buff scrolls fr
it also doesnt help that there is only 1 class with lust that isnt magic
they at the very least should stop being cowards and give warrior lust. yes, a tank can have lust, fuck it, why not
rough egret
Battle Cry!
stone ice
ok, seriously asking, does somebody have the current mountain thane max ilvl sim?
i saw it floting around recently but i forgot where
frigid valley
damn, gamers
blazing shuttle
well, vdh is the top tank because it slots perfectly into the mdi comp and poepl...
And because people suffer the: "The pros do it so I should do it too." without having an idea as of WHY the pros do it.
frigid valley
practice for what, dungeon is gone in 2 days
rough egret
rookery back in first season of next expansion
rough egret
idk im just yaping..
plush tendon
we prob see our first DF next expac though
frigid valley
plush tendon
I wouldnt mind a good Academy again
rough egret
what about nice Ruby š
plush tendon
I like Ruby
frigid valley
brackenhide or nothing
plush tendon
not a fan of Nokhund
glad crater
Can you confirm what I experienced?
From my understanding, the easier the content, the better is Colossus (burst, low damage taken so full revenge instead of IP and no much use of execution).
The harder the content, the better is Mountain (execution build on M+/raid, lot of rage generation, time to use execution and overall stable). Is this real or just in my mind? Trying to understand how does Pwar really work for S3
glad crater
True, everything can change...
But so far that's what I experienced
Wanted to have your thinking
frosty mango
Can you confirm what I experienced?
From my understanding, the easier the conte...
Much of colossus damage is baked into deep wounds and rend, especially with tier set next season, where thane is up front with thunder blast
So imo colossus would shine less the lower the content because everything will just die
glad crater
Our bleed dont have ramp up damage? So it deals it's damage directly?
Or am i missing something
Bleeds adds up each other?
frosty mango
No but imo in a compressed timeframe thunder blast will do much more damage than bleeds, from a burst perspective you get demolish but as thane you get 2 free blasts on avatar and im not sure demolish is any more burst than that
I donāt imagine theyād be far apart but if you donāt get a good tier bonus proc for colossus youād notice it a lot
At the level of content weāre talking I donāt think it much matters though
glad crater
Hmmm I see. Seeing your pseudo i guess you love MT but I don't, I dont want to play it š
To be fair i'm playing around 15 in S2 so i guess it won't change a lot
frosty mango
No I still love colossus too lol
glad crater
At the level of content weāre talking I donāt think it much matters though
Yeah i agree
frigid valley
noticed wowhead got updated, what happened to FBV? didnt it just not meet the expectation after testing?
frosty mango
I tested colossus on the ptr quite a bit too and imo aoe damage is comparable, st falls off a lot
glad crater
I tested colossus on the ptr quite a bit too and imo aoe damage is comparable, s...
I noticed too ! Execution hits hard
frosty mango
And all things being equal if both specs are doing similar dps thane is just easier to play on gather
frosty mango
noticed wowhead got updated, what happened to FBV? didnt it just not meet the ex...
Not necessarily. They tuned the tier down by a chunk which in turn brought down fbv, but also with thane being the recommended spec, brv fits better with that gameplay
If you play colossus Iād imagine fbv is still the play yea?
jagged pier
it also got nerfed
waxen frigate
we prob see our first DF next expac though
AA but they rework the last boss prayge
frosty mango
Iām with @ionic fern.
lets just push the ābrew is overtunedā agenda so we can hide behind them
glad crater
Sorry what's fbv / brv? English is not my first language
blazing shuttle
Fueled By Violence
frosty mango
Fueled by violence
Brutal vitality
glad crater
Oh okay thanks
frigid valley
Sorry what's fbv / brv? English is not my first language
frosty mango
Is everyone excited to see new story and get your cloaks
Give me more content I can degen on
frigid valley
Give me more content I can degen on
DELVES
delves
delveeeeeesss!!!
hope they add a 2k achiev in s3
glad crater
Would be so cool to have a daily reset instead of a weekly reset on m0
plush tendon
Give me more content I can degen on
as a world class mole, delves are peak content
Ill be world first delve 11
frosty mango
I hate delves but I recognize that they are good content for people who do like that
frigid valley
Ill be world first delve 11
no me
frosty mango
Well I donāt hate delves, I hate that we are forced into them all season
glad crater
Dropping bloodsurge as the content goes up is that right? To get bsv
plush tendon
Well I donāt hate delves, I hate that we are forced into them all season
I actually love delves
especially for alts
jagged pier
why would u not be running whirling blades....
plush tendon
first week degen for 8 delves is a nothing burger to me
glad crater
ehhhh 3% damage overall š
plush tendon
but its nice to zone out and kill some mobs by myself when I dont want to go into group finder
solid sun
Well I donāt hate delves, I hate that we are forced into them all season
I didnāt do delves until I got bored and did ?? this season. Why did you feel forced to do them? Am I missing out on something?
frigid valley
I actually love delves
jagged pier
ehhhh 3% damage overall š
what else does ravager do when it deals damage?
frosty mango
what else does ravager do when it deals damage?
Ooh ooh me me pick me
glad crater
rage generation, but bloodsurge brings more from what i've experienced
frosty mango
rage generation, but bloodsurge brings more from what i've experienced
Theyāre pretty close
frigid valley
what else does ravager do when it deals damage?
glad crater
well, not more but stable
rough egret
rage generation, but bloodsurge brings more from what i've experienced
drop instigate
take rav
jagged pier
right so u want more rage but more rage + damage is more over everything over all
jagged pier
drop instigate
no
rough egret
or that
jagged pier
blood surge is literally only better at 5 targets
or 7 cant remeber
and thane u dont struggle with rage at all
so u likely drop both
frigid valley
drop LS and thunderlord
jagged pier
instegate is a flex point
frigid valley
ez
glad crater
you have enough rage even with the execute build?
plush tendon
the trees that Nom made on Wowhead look good to me
glad crater
when you drop instigate AND bloodsurge?
jagged pier
i mean nome was literally saying u can do so
solid sun
Tensions are high. We need a delve timeout
jagged pier
i dont think u understand how much rage thane gets
plush tendon
Thane gets lots of rage
flat saddle
Thane gets lots of rage
Like S1 Thane rage or less?
glad crater
so, dropping both to pick ravager and BSV?
jagged pier
u would only drop for BSV if u actually need BSV
plush tendon
so more GCDs
jagged pier
which wont be for very high keys
and then u probably wont be running execute build anyway
solid sun
In keys where you need BSV you probably arenāt running the execute build right. Isnāt the execute build for weekly keys
jagged pier
cause its less tanky
glad crater
yeah true
solid sun
Yeah see Jakey is so smart
frosty mango
Massacre will be my flex point
solid sun
When I say it Iām afraid Iām being stupid but when Jakey says it thereās so much authority
glad crater
I prefer asking and understand than having to look a guide not understanding what i'm doing
frosty mango
Itās a damage loss but losing massacre you can at least play around vs losing ravager you just lose a shitload of rage
solid sun
We support guide reading and question asking
frosty mango
Thatās my head space, what did nome go with?
jagged pier
Itās a damage loss but losing massacre you can at least play around vs losing ra...
nome will never choose to drop damage
hardy snow
If thane is better in s3, whats the moment of change? After getting just 2p, or after getting full 4p?
hardy snow
Im thinking of chsnging asap as well
solid sun
Yeah! Sexecutes! Send em all day!
frosty mango
His recommended build basically what Iām running only Iām dropping Ls for bloodsurge
jagged pier
but u wouldnt do that
flat saddle
I'm genuinely excited to be clapping cheeks all fo S3. Fury looks to be the DPS spec to go to as well...really wish Arms got the same love this season š
jagged pier
playing thane without TLs is inting
massively
so much demo uptime lost
for 0 reason
hardy snow
im just playing thane with the new tree cause exectue is fun
Ok, execute convinced me, wednesday it is then š
frosty mango
but u wouldnt do that
You get a lot more executes out of bloodsurge with massacre I donāt think itās inting
As you go up key levels itās inting for sure though lol
jagged pier
right but lets drop the extra 20% damage on everything
all the time
for a few more executes
yer so much sense
frosty mango
It aināt a few more, its quite a few more
solid sun
When we discussed this previously we mentioned that trying to be a mountain thane and a thunder lord might be too much responsibility
jagged pier
that doesnt equate to 20% increased damage to every ability
glad crater
Playing mt without using TL just doesn't feels right imo
frosty mango
Weāll have robot overlord soon to tell us the way it is
frosty mango
its not my build
Nope itās yours we put a bow on and gave it to you, and now youāre stuck with it forever
No regifting
jagged pier
but dropping 20% damage on SS's, TBs, rend, exectues themselve
just for more executes which u cant stack with jugg anymore
dont make sense
frosty mango
It makes sense when you consider I have a smooth brain and pressing execute makes it light up
Pressing more executes makes it light up even more
This is who I am
frigid valley
E on execute, E is close keybind, its all down to laziness
frosty mango
Execute is on my foot pedal and I just stomp my feet furiously the entire key
One for thunderclap one for execute
jagged pier
go dracthyr
frosty mango
Everyone knows orcs have the biggest shoulders therefore they are the best race
frosty mango
Much like putting flame stickers on your car makes it go faster, having a sick mog makes you do more dps
Look fly, be fly
jagged pier
if I stay human, I need to update the mog
fmale human second best mog model in game only beaten by draco fmale visage form
plush tendon
fmale human second best mog model in game only beaten by draco fmale visage form
I cant play female model
frosty mango
yea, but Orc is kind of sucky compared to human and dwarf
Yes but giant shoulders
frosty mango
thats a boy name
Is it though
plush tendon
Ive never met a girl named Bjorn
plush tendon
I aint changing
jagged pier
Ive never met a girl named Bjorn
ever met one named jakeyplops? 
plush tendon
ever met one named jakeyplops? <:kekW:620386906634584095>
I could see Jakey as a girl name
like a weird spelling of Jackie
frosty mango
Itās 2025 everything is a girl name
And a boy name
Weāre living in the future!
plush tendon
naw, I know itll piss me off for no good reason other then RP
also, I know id play Female Nelf anyways
now dats the best female model
frigid valley
thats a boy name
currently 44 females in Sweden namned Bjƶrn
jagged pier
thats a boy name
Checkmate āļø
plush tendon
neon elk
Am i only one who thinks 44 aint that much but it is too much at the same time ?
tame jasper
frigid valley
actually, its 51, was following a number i read a few years ago
past locust
Looking at the new prot thing on wowheads. Is our BIS gear meant to be liberation gear?
rustic cove
i dont think its 100% up to date, i think just talent trees
past locust
Ahhh okay
rustic cove
cause the descriptions for the talent trees are the same from 11.1
lofty warren
It's almost patch who best tank m+?
past locust
It's almost patch who best tank m+?
Frost mage
jagged pier
It's almost patch who best tank m+?
go to yodas new tier list he made one based off the hp changes
rustic cove
im looking at the wowhead build and its deep into execute but it doesnt take Sudden Death and im wondering why? is it just a low chance to proc?
jagged pier
i swear nome simmed it the other day and SD came out on top
š¤
what hero tree u looking at?
frigid valley
im looking at the wowhead build and its deep into execute but it doesnt take Sud...
it is where im looking
rustic cove
plush tendon
It's almost patch who best tank m+?
I think there is argument for 4 of them right now; VDH, Brew, Prot Pal, Prot War. Honestly, all 4 of those have their strengths and weakness
frigid valley
floater point if u ask me, when low enough count pulls in certain dungeons id swap something into it.
Wowhead guides arent set in stone for all content and arent made for that purpose either, its a starting point.
plush tendon
will prob depend on the other specs you want to play in the comp
cerulean tusk
fmale human second best mog model in game only beaten by draco fmale visage form
#1 Nelf Female, #2 Nelf Male, then the rest, bottom: human male/female.
jagged pier
plush tendon
yea, putting Male Nelf #2 really destroys your credibility
jagged pier
yea, putting Male Nelf #2 really destroys your credibility
this
cerulean tusk
plush tendon
you can play male nelf only as a druid
cause at least then you are playing as a animal 99% of the time
warm plinth
cause at least then you are playing as a animal 99% of the time
Based take
cerulean tusk
Bazed would never say that
torn gulch
https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-world-of-warcraft-warcraft-gif-26162364
yikes
warm plinth
https://tenor.com/view/dagger-garnet-ff9-ffix-alexandria-gif-27544502
Willem dafoe?
agile elbow
No that's Princess Garnet
solid sun
Is BM the least huntery spec of the three
Spear hunters, bow hunters, PokƩmon trainers
ebon scaffold
Is there a sample execute build mountain thane for season 3
frigid valley
Is there a sample execute build mountain thane for season 3
wowhead
lofty warren
Mr Jakey, yoda hasn't updated his last?
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/tier-lists/tank-rankings-mythic-plus
agile elbow
I like his endless copium for PPal.
harsh trellis
Is there a sample execute build mountain thane for season 3
wowhead is updated with sample builds
tight hinge
I want to feel cool and unique so i'm down with everyone flocking to vdh/ppal based on tier lists
native ember
yea ^^ saw this its basically u take the tank with the most damage apparently
small steeple
fiery yacht
Hello, i follow the icy veins protection leveling spec. but i was wondering if it is that good, because you actually dont need much defense and more damage output i thinks
lofty warren
What in the fck is this he put all except for 4 tanks as "best tank" how is that legal
fiery yacht
but i am a level guy, it is all i do, so i want to have fun with the damage output but am too stupid to build my own spec.
harsh trellis
but i am a level guy, it is all i do, so i want to have fun with the damage outp...
you just want to level?
go arms or fury
fiery yacht
yes, it is very fun for me
native ember
just copy a m+ build so u learn how to utilizie it while spamming timewalking cause thats the build ull use if ur doing m+ and a variation of that in raids
plush tendon
What in the fck is this he put all except for 4 tanks as "best tank" how is that...
cause they are really close
lofty warren
"Whats the best tank" - all of them except bdk and bear.. well shit that ain't helpful
plush tendon
its gonna come down to the DPS specs chosen
lofty warren
Hmm dps spec chosen = mage always
agile elbow
Doesn't need to be helpful
plush tendon
in which case Prot Pal and Prot War become more valuable then VDH
agile elbow
Just play which one of the 4 tanks that are listed there based on what you like
fiery yacht
go arms or fury
already leveled with arms and fury and want to try to just level with prot
harsh trellis
already leveled with arms and fury and want to try to just level with prot
ok cool , pick the M+ build then
plush tendon
brew kind of gets left out cause phys comp doesnt look to be that good
agile elbow
Or adjust based on if you have a static comp
lofty warren
Don't think havocs are gonna go crazy probably a priest and mage
plush tendon
and war dps kind of is shit
but general tuning might be ok for them to be taken over the others
lofty warren
Does ret benefit from Brew buff?
plush tendon
it does
but only half
they do holystrike damage
which is half phy half magic as far as I know
plush tendon
yea
which is why War stonks are high up there with VDH
if you want a FDK, Rogue, or Havoc
I dont believe in the Prot Pal
I know Yoda has a hard on for them
but Im not a believer
lofty warren
Prot paladin is not real he is biased
plush tendon
I plan to play Prot War
- I like Prot War
- my friends play melee specs and are good at them
frosty mango
Iām confused by his tier list
native ember
ive played warrior since wrath thats with the good bad and the ugly i like what i like tier list can eat my ass
plush tendon
so whatever comp I try to push with is prob gonna be like Prot War, Ret, FDK/Havoc
lofty warren
But how is pwar against all the magic damage?
frosty mango
Why does the health changes make mistweaver go from s to c
naive gale
they do holystrike damage
Holystrike damage benefits fully from either monk or dh debuffs (but not both, if both are present is will just use the higher). But only a small portion of retās damage (ST mostly) is holystrike so they donāt fully benefit
frosty mango
I donāt understand his logic lol
plush tendon
IDK enough about healers
lofty warren
Like with priory and other damage bs will pwar be super sad?
naive gale
Why does the health changes make mistweaver go from s to c
I think that was more him getting rid of all of the s+++ and s++ tiers lol
plush tendon
but monk buff doesnt really compare to Druid or Shaman
chilly brook
I know Yoda has a hard on for them
Itās also Kira tbf
But if all these tanks are doing similar
solid sun
Is it Yoda or Kira
chilly brook
Paladin just wins by default
solid sun
I thought it was a Yoda video
plush tendon
Itās also Kira tbf
from what Ive seen from Kira, hes pretty consistent that those 4 are all viable as top dog
frosty mango
but monk buff doesnt really compare to Druid or Shaman
No but monk also does a good bit more damage
ebon scaffold
He pretty much talks about you wanting stuff to die quick, not pulling more mobs and being quick throughout the dungeon. So he prioritized higher damage dealing tanks and heals, and DPS specs with better prio and funnel damage
plush tendon
I just know Yoda prefers Prot Pal
frosty mango
He pretty much talks about you wanting stuff to die quick, not pulling more mobs...
But monk and Hpriest are the highest dps healers and lowest ranked
plush tendon
No but monk also does a good bit more damage
yea, that could be a consideration
frosty mango
F in the chat boys
plush tendon
if Brew's damage is high enough where it out competes buffs
lofty warren
Ivyveins guy has much different tier. Ppal is more realistic here but idk why pwar so down bad in this one
frosty mango
What is best candidate
plush tendon
Ivyveins guy has much different tier. Ppal is more realistic here but idk why pw...
idk, seems consistent
frosty mango
This shit doesnāt even make sense lol
plush tendon
but they favor VDH and Brew
lofty warren
So pwar is a 2nd rate tank?
neon elk
I like how they praise ppal and nobody mentions their buged tier , same with rdudu, once those get fixed without any compensation they are 2 tiers down..
plush tendon
I think the general consensus is that Brew, Prot War, Prot Pal, and VDH are all VERY close
and its gonna come down to other factors
solid sun
This shit doesnāt even make sense lol
Vdh is best and Brew is a candidate for best
frosty mango
Vdh is best and Brew is a candidate for best
If there is a candidate for best then you canāt say something else is the best. Itās either the best or it isnāt
solid sun
Right now it seems the best
frosty mango
Please kill me I donāt want to exist in this tier list world any more
plush tendon
I wouldnt read too much into it
tight hinge
for real, these tier lists have just gone to the limit of max bullshit
lofty warren
How is brew candidate? Nobody likes their buff
plush tendon
they are just putting their money on the safe option which is VDH
cause chaos brand
plush tendon
How is brew candidate? Nobody likes their buff
they can do a LOT of damage
neon elk
We should make tier list of tier lists
frosty mango
I hope warrior gets zero play and then blizz will nerf all the other tanks and we will be the best by attrition
chilly brook
I mean the only thing that really matters is that 4/6 tanks specs are being considered in the āhighestā tier
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
plush tendon
^ 100%
native ember
well apparently arcane mage is busted so it makes sense for vdh
plush tendon
top groups really like arcane mage
lofty warren
Icyveins said that pwar does the most damage
plush tendon
but they also play with good mages
ebon scaffold
Or if arcane is blasting try and find a good havoc DH to bring raid buff
plush tendon
there will also be another tuning relativley soon
plush tendon
Or if arcane is blasting try and find a good havoc DH to bring raid buff
yea, I think FDK, Havoc, Arcane could be a dps set up
with a Resto Druid/Shaman
lofty warren
Does pwar do the most damage in raid too? If they do they are probably more likely to get nerf batted
chilly brook
Does pwar do the most damage in raid too? If they do they are probably more like...
It does
tight hinge
yeah raid is putting a target on our back unfortunately imo
lofty warren
plush tendon
from what I understand
lofty warren
Pwar guaranteed to get nerfed then blizz only cares about raid
plush tendon
fury kinda fucks
Im just going off what Critcake wrote for Max's tier list stream
Critcake is bae
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fluid widget
Arms is down bad
ruby hornet
Is it Clossus now or Mountain Thane with the new nerfs/changes to M+
chilly brook
Thane next tier
cerulean tusk
Like top 10 single target DPS specs
Hell yeah, now you only got to beat out the other 9 to be the pick! :D
plush tendon
fury kinda fucks
idk the raid, but this raid feels like its gonna be melee unfriendly
ruby hornet
Really? so much for the bleed healing xD
plush tendon
and there are just better melee specs
plus Prot War is prob really strong
so why even bring DPS War
if you can BShout from tank and get better melee dps?
frosty mango
Really? so much for the bleed healing xD
Arms is great at not dying just unfortunately itās swinging a big pool noodle
tight hinge
yeah looks melee unfriendly but i feel like we're so used to that lol
fluid widget
and there are just better melee specs
Besides DK whoās doing better?
frosty mango
So the only way you top dps when everyone dies
lofty warren
Brew = nobody likes their buff
Pwar = gonna get nerfed bc blizz only cares about raid balance
Ppal = too squish
Sign.. looks like about vdh m+ season
Like another
chilly brook
Hell yeah, now you only got to beat out the other 9 to be the pick! :D
Monk got nerfed and no one is playing survival so the only melee doing better is dk https://imgur.com/a/yFhDilD#gVI3dZO
plush tendon
Besides DK whoās doing better?
Id prob grab 2 DK, Havoc, Rogue
and then just stack range
chilly brook
I mentioned single targetā¦.
plush tendon
like locks and mages
chilly brook
But itās not like fury all of a sudden falls over in damage in aoe
chilly brook
still target capped at 5
And yet Archi is saying Fury Thane is looking very strong in multi target?
plush tendon
but I wont be suprised not seeing a DPS War next tier in the race
plush tendon
And yet Archi is saying Fury Thane is looking very strong in multi target?
its prob fine
but I think there are better options
obtuse egret
cant wait for MT to get nerfed from raid performance and then we are dead in M+
cerulean tusk
I mentioned single targetā¦.
It is a question how mechanics affect your DPS. How much does things like downtime especially, affect your DPS potential. What fight allows you to continously hit one mob, with nothing else going on at all. It just isnt very useful information in a practical scenario
plush tendon
And they still get brought
well, we usually dont see Prot War tank
cerulean tusk
Ofc, if bosses are patchwekr
chilly brook
It is a question how mechanics affect your DPS. How much does things like downti...
Itās a data point
Never said it was the end all be all
fluid widget
well, we usually dont see Prot War tank
Because typically Ret or havoc or something else is in the shitter
Tanks usually seem to be about how the DPS spec is
Unless itās a mass grip fight
chilly brook
Not really?
Warrior was brought this last tier because it just couldnāt die
As a tank
Thatās the entire reason they took it for gally
obtuse egret
and it was top damage
chilly brook
and it was top damage
BDK did more damage
lofty warren
100% there will be bdk for mass grip. Blizz refuse to give raid buff so they will be forced to make it required for at least 1x fight
fluid widget
Isnāt prot pally one of the potential tanks this tier because holy and ret are struggling?
tight hinge
at this point the only justification for what they did to bdk is that mythic dimensius is just dk's putting pegs in matching holes with deathgrip.
wide charm
Been outta the loop for a few months, any big changes tomorrow? I hear we are doing well overall
M+ staying or moving back to thane?
obtuse egret
I can see it now, prot warrior is nerfed because it does too much damage in raid and then we are cooked for the season
chilly brook
Just be a chad and play monk
jagged pier
nerfed on release everytime
solid sun
We got nerfed last season and werenāt cooked
Itāll be fine
Everything is totally fine
lofty warren
I can see it now, prot warrior is nerfed because it does too much damage in raid...
I can totally see pwar getting nerf batted super hard and then being worst then bdk is now for m+
chilly brook
Could be worse, you could be augmentation and get kneecapped two seasons in a row despite not even being considered for meta before release in both seasons
fluid widget
Iām here cause warrior is fun, fuck the meta
tight hinge
this happens every season, we'll be fine
lofty warren
Will vdh be nerfed again for m+?
cerulean tusk
I can totally see pwar getting nerf batted super hard and then being worst then ...
For what content level, because BDK aint 'bad' because of their lack of damage...
fluid widget
Will vdh be nerfed again for m+?
No
lofty warren
Let me rephrase, how likely is it that vdh get more nerf? They won't be in raiding bc havoc good
fluid widget
Canāt nerf the golden child
chilly brook
I donāt even think they deserve a nerf
tight hinge
i don't think they know what to do with vdh
fluid widget
Nah buff warrior/guardian utility
chilly brook
3 other tank specs are being considered to be at least on par with dh rn
So why nerf them?
lofty warren
Pwar is going to get nerfed. Nobody likes brew buff. Ppal is going to be too squish to be high tier.
Vdh with no nerf = s tier m+
chilly brook
Wdym no one likes brew buff??
fluid widget
We always say that about ppal and yet they always keep climbing
chilly brook
We had a phys comp this season without the brew changes
fluid widget
Also brew looks awesome
chilly brook
Phys comp could very easily become the dominant meta
fluid widget
Those stagger changes plus the healing orb talent looks great
chilly brook
Itās all down to tuning of dps specs at this point
cerulean tusk
Always is
lofty warren
Lol keep dreaming. Blizz requires mage to be best it is in their bylaws
fluid widget
Isnāt sin rogueās ST still pretty awful?
cerulean tusk
Its decent enough
lofty warren
Hmm but in real world when pugging mages gonna be all other the place and rogue not really
chilly brook
Isnāt sin rogueās ST still pretty awful?
Depends on the build
In higher keys no
fluid widget
I guess if they go KB instead of the bleed build
plush tendon
Phys comp could very easily become the dominant meta
as of current tuning, I dont see it
maybe Im dooming
chilly brook
But also youād just do exactly what you do for the mage and youād pull things into the boss because the funnel is wild
lofty warren
Dps war = suck in m+ i think
plush tendon
is WW good
chilly brook
I guess if they go KB instead of the bleed build
You do in high keys
plush tendon
I like WW
chilly brook
is WW good
No
plush tendon
damn
chilly brook
At least not in keys
fluid widget
Yeah checks out, been a couple seasons since Iāve played sin
azure crag
man....this is gonna be the first season I've done since....legion
Where I don't have death grip. It's gonna be so weird.
chilly brook
You can justā¦play DK?
azure crag
Naaaaah....nah, I'm not going back to that train wreck for a bit
cerulean tusk
BDK is still my fav tank in 12-14 key range 
Healer can do whatever, DPS can jump in and out of fire, I just chill Deathstriking - hating on blizzard's Deathstrike changes
chilly brook
as of current tuning, I dont see it
No one expected to see monk and a phys comp doing world first level keys either this last seasonā¦
tight hinge
yeah i mean monk/war are clearing comparable key levels right now, well above title level . bdks are doing 20s right now. the sky is not falling.
chilly brook
Specifically a group that has no voice comms lmao
azure crag
I still love blood dk, but with how gutted my favorite hero talent is on it atm, in addition to the ugly nerfs to AMZ and removal of abom limb, I'm just not feelin' like dealing with its bullshit anymore
still hoping for more tuning to come, but in the mean time, gonna give a new tank a shot
keen star
should I care about what embellishments I'm bringing into S3 or is it a waste of time since the farmable 701 gear will be better in every slot than an embellishment
I'm gonna raid for the first time since DF so maybe I'm overthinking it
the m+ plate gear and jewellery looks ass in S3 though, not enough haste
plush tendon
No one expected to see monk and a phys comp doing world first level keys either ...
viable? sure
but dominant meta
I dont see it
frosty mango
Pretty sure squishvegans group is doing 21s
With like the most off meta comp imaginable
lofty warren
I could care less about hyper specific groups that are coms and doing crazy skip nonsense. I care more about "which tank is best for getting a 10 key done in week 1/how easy it is to get invite"
frigid valley
first week? literally anything, since most invites is based on "previous season score"
lofty warren
@jagged pier pls help with scammer post
chilly brook
Why is tagging Valkyr so difficult
lofty warren
Wow thay was fast!
proven stratus
Why is tagging Valkyr so difficult
Because 
past locust
I like how they praise ppal and nobody mentions their buged tier , same with ...
If they get fixed* MM tier still hasn't been fixed
neon elk
True that , but still , a lot of time in those tier lists u hear stuff like " this could be realy good if this is also good" ( like monk with physical comp etc etc ) yet nobody mentions those two bugs
lofty warren
If ur a monk then you are basically chained down to only go into physical groups right?
Like its illegal to go with a mage or spriest
chilly brook
If ur a monk then you are basically chained down to only go into physical groups...
Not any less illegal than playing a warrior and doing that
lofty warren
But doesn't warrior benefit ones that are like using magic to do physical or something? Like fdk
plush tendon
I could care less about hyper specific groups that are coms and doing crazy skip...
literally any class will be fine for a week one 10
chilly brook
Neither of them benefit from warrior lol
plush tendon
People will choose who to invite based on Io from last season and I level
lofty warren
Discord is unser attack @long loom
true yoke
Discord is unser attack <@436513816008982528>
Why?
dusky igloo
The pepegler also pinged a a random user and not the admins
lofty warren
I tried to ping administrator. Why does the discord administrator have some weird toren at the end?
lofty warren
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/overview-pve-tank
Is updated 11.2 let's gooo. Icy veins not updated yet rho
Wait... is it updated?
fallow jasper
Wait... is it updated?
no
native ember
its not fully updated still waiting on the gear list and im sure a couple other things
lofty warren
Are talents and rotations updated?
agile elbow
Are m0 still weekly locked? I remember that earlier glorious time when TWW launched and they were daily.
native ember
i think talents are i didnt check rotation
think they swapped it to weekly in season 2 not sure thats changed for season 3
lofty warren
This is some stuff on 11.1 in talent page
chilly brook
Are m0 still weekly locked? I remember that earlier glorious time when TWW launc...
Yes weekly locked
And that wasnāt a glorious time
neon elk
Are m0 still weekly locked? I remember that earlier glorious time when TWW launc...
They are at least for this first week, not sure if m+ opens it stay that way
chilly brook
M0 was basically not even worth doing then
The daily lockout was compensated by a lowering of the gear ilvl
Was just better to do delves
native ember
whats the vault reward on a m0 is it hero track ? if not im just gonna pump the delves t8+
chilly brook
whats the vault reward on a m0 is it hero track ? if not im just gonna pump the ...
Lower than t8 delves
But itās still worth doing a full vault
You double your chance at tier
native ember
this is very true
frigid valley
socket first week is the best socket you will ever pick as well
oak ivy
im late to the party looking at talent stuff for 11.2.. no more battering ram? D:
sharp gale
Basically the last row of talent got deleted and spell block deleted
oak ivy
azure crag
wait, prot warrior damage is middle of the pack?
I know brew beats us, but who else?
sharp gale
Prot damage will get nerfed 100%
solid sun
Brew is crazy
frosty mango
-# donāt beat me thatās sarcasm
frosty mango
Yes very bb
azure crag
ah, I see, of course.
lofty warren
Why is brew crazy
jagged gust
wait, prot warrior damage is middle of the pack?
I know brew beats us, but who e...
Says who?
neon elk
Because it dish dmg left and right with his fists and legs
solid sun
Brew at high stagger is just clearing out entire sections of dungeons with ease
steel onyx
Why is brew crazy
3M5 ST š¼
lofty warren
Icyveins says pwar best dps spec in m+
frosty mango
Nome is in the middle of updating the guide
I donāt think heās done
@strong forum is that a fair assumption
frosty mango
Too hard
I wouldnāt say too hard
Preferably they buff all the other tanks to be aligned
lofty warren
frosty mango
A mere, 20% buff to execute would do the trick wonāt you say?
solid sun
I wouldnāt mind that
Imagine if we got that buff so when you take thunder lord youāre just fully giga
But still not as giga as Brew obvi
neon elk
One of highest .. beaten by monk ofc , if it was highest amongs all it wouldnt be "one of highest" right ?
frosty mango
Brew is really strong right now because of flurry strikes
solid sun
AFAIK Kate still hasnāt figured out how the moh tier even works
frosty mango
Thatās a very easy lever to turn and blizzard almost assuredly has their big blue bat ready to beat the brewmasters back down to the bottom where they belong
neon elk
I guess ? But why be proud to be 2nd best if u are also first , u know .. we arent that strong , monks are
lofty warren
Thatās a very easy lever to turn and blizzard almost assuredly has their big blu...
Is this confirmed or speculation?
stone ice
well for physic comp it comes down to whats better, prot with a WW or brew with a fury right?
frosty mango
Speculation?
steel onyx
Tierlists are subjective and will vary depending on who is making them
frosty mango
But I feel like itās not a far leap to assume if flurry strikes is doing 60% of brew damage then blizz will tune it down lol
solid sun
Youāre never going to get Pepega to stop tier listing
sharp gale
And very useless informations
Ppl watch tier list bc of the format not bc they look for informations
lofty warren
I'm super torn between vdh, brew, and pwar.
Want the strongest one with the least amount of brian power required.
sharp gale
It fully depends on the 4 other meta dudes
stone ice
i dont think prot will see heavy nerfs. magic comp will likely stay meta for keys and id be suprised if you play double prot in raids, so if its not spammed in raids and just off tanks and spamms execute, and if its not meta in keys, why nerf hard
even IF its ahead in damage
torn gulch
It fully depends on the 4 other meta dudes
there are 2 possible meta comps
frosty mango
I'm super torn between vdh, brew, and pwar.
Want the strongest one with the lea...
Bear
sharp gale
there are 2 possible meta comps
I listen
lofty warren
No bear that's not even in my list of top contenders
stone ice
there are 2 possible meta comps
realistically speaking, 95% of groups will still be magic comp no? nobody plays rogue or feral
just population wise
steel onyx
I'm super torn between vdh, brew, and pwar.
Want the strongest one with the lea...
Vdh have a very low brain requirement the hardest part is knowing how to do a backflip
sharp gale
the normal comp and the phys comp that is stronger than last season
You know it doesnāt work like that
torn gulch
You know it doesnāt work like that
as long as phys comp does the same keys at the meta comp you can consider it a second meta comp
stone ice
magic comp has been meta for so long phys comp would need to be meta for multiple patches for people to reroll to it
lofty warren
I've only done fel reaper vdh so not sure about aldrachi
strong forum
This is some stuff on 11.1 in talent page
nothing wrong about it
sharp gale
Prot is in competition inside the phys comp yes, so you have to win this first bet, then you need to win the bet you actually need battle shout (context about all 4 others dude) and then : others war specs
frosty mango
I am just going to go on pretending meta isnāt real and thunder blast my way through keys
torn gulch
magic comp has been meta for so long phys comp would need to be meta for multipl...
there won't be mass adoption of the phys comp but the players playing those specs will not have to wait hours in queue because they can just make phys comps and do keys
solid sun
Yeah agreed. Idc if we are meta or not
frosty mango
If I get to 17s early and people stop inviting me Iāll be sure to come complain here
stone ice
I am just going to go on pretending meta isnāt real and thunder blast my way thr...
that works just fine for every level of key thats actually pluggable, if you are a tank you get invited anyway
frosty mango
Misery does love company
solid sun
In fact when we arenāt meta and Iām in a key, if I fail I can just blame the spec ;)
sharp gale
If you want to play meta, you need to bet on all horses
stone ice
In fact when we arenāt meta and Iām in a key, if I fail I can just blame the spe...
no you blame the first person you noticed doing anything out of the ordinary for everything
frosty mango
In fact when we arenāt meta and Iām in a key, if I fail I can just blame the spe...
Easier to blame the healer
solid sun
Lmfao everyone has a Strat. I love it
steel onyx
no you blame the first person you noticed doing anything out of the ordinary for...
"Only tier II enchant on the left ring??"
sharp gale
If I fail I shame dc
frosty mango
Everyone knows any time anyone dies you hit your āHEALER?!?!?!?ā macro 15 times and then call someone trash and log off
lofty warren
Which is the meta tank m+ s3?
Imo if mostly pug so it may be hard to make the exodia physical comp come together is a big fat arcane mage wants to go into group
frosty mango
Maybe throw a few pings for good measure
stone ice
fail mechagon because you threw on last boss? blame the tank for doing the bomb pull in 2 pulls at the start
solid sun
Everyone knows any time anyone dies you hit your āHEALER?!?!?!?ā macro 15 times ...
My favorite is the classic ācan I get even one heal??? Just one heal???ā
lofty warren
Pwar mt i like the rotation the most
sharp gale
Which is the meta tank m+ s3?
Imo if mostly pug so it may be hard to make the e...
Ppl will reroll to the meta specs whatever they are
steel onyx
Which is the meta tank m+ s3?
Imo if mostly pug so it may be hard to make the e...
The meta tank depends on the other specs
sharp gale
So your arcane players will disappear in 1 week after the meta classes will be set
(If arcane is not itself meta ofc)
solid sun
Pepega just donāt play at all until we confirm for you what is meta
stone ice
blizzard please make all raidbuffs unique to every class and just be a flat 1% damage increase. everybody wins, you will want all the classes in raid, i dont need to find the only feral player on my server to do keys with, win win
lofty warren
Arcane meta 100% they are the only ones that didn't get nerfed
Omg brew damage sucks so bad
stone ice
Arcane meta 100% they are the only ones that didn't get nerfed
arcane meta because its the only consistently good class that has lust
sharp gale
And arcane has funnel damage profile
daring narwhal
blizzard please make all raidbuffs unique to every class and just be a flat 1% d...
ff14 has a system where you want one tank, heal, range dps etc... to get a buff. WOW could've a similar system with a 0.5% damage buff for each unique class or something like that imo
sharp gale
A very good damage profile for m+
lofty warren
Ok if arcane mage is meta is there any hope for pwar/brew to be good?
sharp gale
Meta doesnāt mean good
stone ice
ff14 has a system where you want one tank, heal, range dps etc... to get a buff....
idk if 0.5 is enough to guarantee every class a raid spot but yeah, there are plenty boring but less harmful ways to ensure that every class is in the raid, which is the design intent of raidbuffs
sharp gale
Off meta doesnāt mean bad
stone ice
Ok if arcane mage is meta is there any hope for pwar/brew to be good?
of course, they are good right now
lofty warren
Sorry. If arcane is meta is there any hope for pwar/brew to be meta?
stone ice
like, if they dont nerf thane, the personal damage of pwar is so high you might just almost out-meat the missing vdh magic debuff and just play warrior in a full magic comp fuck it
solid sun
Sin can do what arcane does
stone ice
how often have you failed a key by less than 10 seconds
sharp gale
Pwar needs to do enough damage to not care about mage raid buff if you want pwar/mage in a comp
stone ice
realistically
of the keys you do
how many come down to a 2% dps margin vs somebody just deciding to int
lofty warren
If pwar damage is too good won't blizz just mega delete them like they did in 11.1?
stone ice
if its too too good, maybe, but warrior has been cranking crazy damage in keys this patch and prot war didnt get nerfed for it either
lofty warren
I guess can't forsee the future
stone ice
I guess can't forsee the future
do you currently do 20s?
lofty warren
No i did 16s like when the bfa thing came out and abandoned wow till next patch
stone ice
what's the highest key you did this season? tier lists are kinda annoying because lets say bdk is bad in every tier list?
lofty warren
16 rook
stone ice
bdk is an unkillable demon king that doesnt need healing 2 key levels below whatever the top key is
frosty mango
bdk is an unkillable demon king that doesnt need healing 2 key levels below what...
Well the problem with bdk is
Itās unkillable until it isnāt
stone ice
you are a tank, you will get invited. tank is the one role where you can get away with playing almost whatever the fuck you want until very high keys
lofty warren
Not interested in bdk. Only pwar, vdh, brew
stone ice
Itās unkillable until it isnāt
thats why i said, subtract 2 from the top keys
sharp gale
bdk has his own mitigation playing against him for top keys
frosty mango
So when you reach the peak of content, bdk typical is truly not viable
Like in a real way
stone ice
if you made a tier list for 15-18 i stead of 20-21, it would look very differently
if the highest you did it rook 16, genuinly, dont worry about it
frosty mango
if you made a tier list for 15-18 i stead of 20-21, it would look very different...
Hard agree
lofty warren
What is the list for the 15-18
solid sun
I knew what was coming
lofty warren
No bdk
frosty mango
Prot war, arms war, fury war, windwalker, Rsham
solid sun
And I was right
stone ice
at any level you CAN pug, people are just happy to have a good tank and don't really care about the class if they are being real
stone ice
I knew what was coming
he has a tierlist tumor, but is it operable
sharp gale
Burst damage is more valuable in lower keys, I wonder what was the S2 14s-16s meta comp
frigid valley
why are we allowing pepega to do this every 10 days. getting quite annoying
lofty warren
Bro I'm just trying to figure out which i should do next season
stone ice
Prot war, arms war, fury war, windwalker, Rsham
hold W comp omega shits on any puggable key level people are really not doing themselves favors playing magic comp
frigid valley
in 2-3 discords at once. every week, every month.
fluid shard
are you running 20s? be like me and just yolo secondaries/enchants/bis strats/racials if you are running 12s or KSL at most lol.
none of it really matters more than actually playing good
solid sun
It so totally matters more than some of you want to admit
stone ice
Bro I'm just trying to figure out which i should do next season
become addicted to a fun drug. you could go to parties take K and get slutted out while you are young, enjoy rhe summer. go to a cafe and be really hostile to the waiters for no reason.
versed snow
for real, excited to go back MT, remove demolish from my action bar and press W a lot more effectively
frosty mango
in 2-3 discords at once. every week, every month.
Tbh I love pepegas baiting, heās a master of the subtle bait long con
kind glen
become addicted to a fun drug. you could go to parties take K and get slutted ou...
Keep going
lofty warren
MT thane rotation looks the best on wowhead compared to brew and vdh
sharp gale
I kinda like pepega ritual ragebait
stone ice
im new here so i didn't know that was his bit
frosty mango
I flip flop from helpful to memelord
solid sun
Whatās so funny about Pepega is that thereās usually some amount of truth to what gets said
frosty mango
im new here so i didn't know that was his bit
Well the bit is we donāt know if itās a bit
solid sun
Thereās just enough truth to him that it blends between troll and earnest
stone ice
Well the bit is we donāt know if itās a bit
autistic guy with hyperfixation on tier lists. rewatches max stream 3 times a day.
frigid valley
at this point im not sure if ragebaiting or actually not very high IQ. its a fine line
sharp gale
im new here so i didn't know that was his bit
He appears and rant about tier lists
stone ice
8 billion people, that guy surely exists
lofty warren
What bit? Didn't know my thoughts could be a bit
frosty mango
What bit? Didn't know my thoughts could be a bit
Maybe they are, maybe they arenāt. The point is never change
sharp gale
at this point im not sure if ragebaiting or actually not very high IQ. its a fin...
My big guess is : VERY young
frosty mango
So anyway, I had a warrior named roidstack apply to my ptr key and I messaged him like ābro are you the real roidstackā and he was like āwhat?ā
stone ice
well if you think about it, the nazis did kind of make an official state tier list of people on earth. much to consider. what does this say about limit max?
frosty mango
I denied him
lofty warren
When i click shield charge it doesn't add or remove it from rotation
frosty mango
well if you think about it, the nazis did kind of make an official state tier li...
The āon fireā tier was at the bottom
kind glen
Are we back to playing Spear in S3?
frigid valley
another dumb post
frosty mango
Fantastic foreskins?
lofty warren
ill go and check if adorno wrote something about tier lists
Whose this guy?
stone ice
a guide writer from a few patches ago
versed snow
Fantastic foreskins?
i prefer this over what our s3 tierset looks like
quiet pagoda
I found the spell reflect/block spreadsheet. But... and risking to ask the obvious. Has anyone allready added these to a season 3 weakaura? Or should i just keep it on second screen and learn them by head for now? š
torn gulch
you learn them by head when you die from not reflecting you add one more to the mental databank
solid sun
Thereās a weakaura
Iirc @frosty mango was trying to help update it?
I know he did a bunch of testing on the ptr this weekend
quiet pagoda
you learn them by head when you die from not reflecting you add one more to the ...
thats my regular approach, hence the question
delicate hill
Is a sword or shield better both defensively and offensively for prot? Is it like a large difference?
torn gulch
there is a weakaura every season normally
frosty mango
Iirc <@228540157333078016> was trying to help update it?
I have it updated I was just waiting to see if torkal pushed his tomorrow
He didnāt answer me when I pinged him so if he doesnāt I will post it
I donāt want to put it up and then he sends an update, it will cause a bunch of versioning issues with folks who use aura updater
quiet pagoda
amazing, thanks a bunch!
lofty warren
Does the reflect one show only if it's reflextable or if it's a big magic damage that sr reduces damage of too?
quiet pagoda
Is a sword or shield better both defensively and offensively for prot? Is it lik...
mate, there is no alternative. you carry a 1h and a shield
frosty mango
Shield always
delicate hill
mate, there is no alternative. you carry a 1h and a shield
Yea ok but which is a larger upgrade is my question
frosty mango
There is a shield in mythic raid early though
delicate hill
Shield always
Tyvm
frosty mango
So if you expect to be able to get a mythic shield from raid quickly weapon may be a play, if not, 100% shield
solid sun
As a non mythic raider I wait for my first vault to see if I get a myth track shield. Otherwise I craft a shield first
frosty mango
Weapon is better offensively but block and armor from shield have a profound impact on our tankiness
I never craft anything week one unless we hit a hard prog wall
I always wait for first vault
delicate hill
How large is the difference from hero vs myth track shield? Im new to shield classes so im not sure
delicate hill
I never craft anything week one unless we hit a hard prog wall
Yea i wait for week 2 to craft
lofty warren
Shield is most important
frosty mango
Uh I couldnāt tell you a number but anecdotally āpretty bigā
You can look at armor and block values on a 684 shield and a 723 shield and see itās not a small difference
lofty warren
Does the reflect wa show only if it's reflextable or if it's a big magic damage that sr reduces damage of too? It's been since s1 since i touched pwar
frosty mango
Does the reflect wa show only if it's reflextable or if it's a big magic damage ...
Reflect or deflect
If you wanted to add an indicator for large mitigations you could - but thatās not really the intent of the wa
lofty warren
Well i want to see both
delicate hill
Uh I couldnāt tell you a number but anecdotally āpretty bigā
Alright thank you for the help!
fluid widget
Pretty sure itās to tell you if it works on said ability
Beyond the 25% reduction
frosty mango
The way the SR weakaura works is it looks at casts targeting you (or everyone if itās an aoe) and then if the spell id of the cast is found in the triggers (from senses sheet) then it will pop up as a progress bar that is a reverse countdown of the cast
So if itās a 5s cast on you thatās reflect/deflectsble you will see a 5s progress bar that says spell reflect
There are some things in the sheet that do not show because they are instant cast - you just need to know
Which is why itās also good to actually read the sheet and understand mob abilities
lime mantle
Thane confirmed untouchable, blessed by Ion š
frosty mango
For example the customs security officers in streets use hyper light baton which is reflectable but instant so you need to know to press SR while tanking them but you donāt actually see the cast
lofty warren
Well that's good but can add to that list spells that are big magic. Then for each spell you have reflextable & big spell damage flags.
Then you show the progress bar and somehow differtiste between the 4 combinations
frosty mango
Well that's good but can add to that list spells that are big magic. Then for ea...
You can modify the aura to do this if you want, itās pretty trivial if you already have it
chilly brook
For example the customs security officers in streets use hyper light baton which...
just stagger š
frosty mango
just stagger š
I got a 22m reflect in halls yesterday
I screamed āooh yeaā like the macho man
chilly brook
lofty warren
I don't know how to modify it I'm just designing the good solution
quiet pagoda
feature request š
frosty mango
I don't know how to modify it I'm just designing the good solution
I donāt think most people would use it like this because dbm and liquid/ns boss packs already do this
quiet pagoda
there are pretty good 'how to' tutorials for these kind of tweaks to existing aura's if you google a bit. perhaps our friend chatgpt kan even help out
frosty mango
But they don't call outing it's big spell damage?
I know the northern sky one did last tier but tbh I donāt use them or dbm or w/e unless I need to for a boss
Too much shit on your screen, too much noise
solid sun
Big wigs and little wigs forever
lofty warren
Yes I use the biggie smalls wigs
solid sun
I primarily just have it converted to a vertical time line for boss abilities
lofty warren
So how do you know if the damage ur taking is magic or not? Rememorization?
solid sun
Because I see whatās hitting me
Arcane slash
Probably magic
Big punch
Probably physical
lofty warren
Omg you have to hover over your debuf or reax the cast, parse it, decode, and then decide? š¦
torn gulch
I got a 22m reflect in halls yesterday
that on first boss?
frosty mango
So how do you know if the damage ur taking is magic or not? Rememorization?
Yes, basically
frosty mango
that on first boss?
Miniboss before last boss
I had a fat triple arcing zap reflect too in eco dome for like 18m
lofty warren
I would say time to change to brew but they havr the same problem I think
frosty mango
Omg you have to hover over your debuf or reax the cast, parse it, decode, and th...
Realistically trial and error over many keys.
I pull boss.
Boss does ability.
I do not press spell reflect.
I die.
I say āwell thatās not blockable so itās probably magicā
Next time I press spell reflect.
I donāt die.
After the dungeon I check the log to confirm
lofty warren
But what if you could know/see that information before you die
frosty mango
But what if you could know/see that information before you die
Iām not denying it would be useful to some folks I just donāt think the return on investment is high enough to write all that shit into weakaura triggers
lofty warren
Well in dungeons there's probably only 2-3 big magic damages so that's like 16-20 spells to add?
Not every damage needs to be included only the important ones
grizzled nova
They took spell block away because it requires you to know what is blockable.
But also spell reflect still exists.
But also ppala can still block spells and cap spell block with fitl which still reuires you to know which spells are blockable.
frosty mango
Well in dungeons there's probably only 2-3 big magic damages so that's like 16-2...
Sounds like an opportunity for pepega to make his first FOSS contribution
steel onyx
They took spell block away because it requires you to know what is blockable.
Imagine having to learn something in order to play properly
grizzled nova
Unforgivable.
frosty mango
Weāre counting on you pepega
lofty warren
Omg
frosty mango
Please make sure you have your commits in by the end of the week for review
sharp gale
Someoneās gonna die to get that info, lol
Like the spell reflect spreadsheet
So many deaths to create it
frosty mango
Like the spell reflect spreadsheet <:keks:936231610850897992>
If only you knew how many dungeons I ran randomly pressing spell reflect and then reviewing logs
grizzled nova
It's just a dogshit justification that has no consistency with the rest of the game, I despise every time I see someone agree that blizzard removed it for a legitimate reason.
frosty mango
And out of all of that I only found ONE thing sense didnāt
So tldr sense is the goat
grizzled nova
There are so many things that require arcane knowledge for you to react appropriately, if the sole reason spell block got removed was "because you had to know what was blockable or not" then it's a bad reason.
lofty warren
Idk how to even find the big magic damages. Plus weak aura would also need to change to differiate reflectable, big damage, or both. Also the existing ones would also need to be updated to mark them as big if they are
Idk how to even find the big magic damages. Plus weak aura would also need to change to differiate reflectable, big damage, or both. Also the existing ones would also need to be updated to mark them as big if they are
sharp gale
If only you knew how many dungeons I ran randomly pressing spell reflect and the...
If only you knew how many times I said Ā«Ā donāt kickĀ Ā» as fury
frosty mango
Idk how to even find the big magic damages. Plus weak aura would also need to ch...
Thatās ok, more to learn!
sharp gale
And it just one shots me
lofty warren
That's the problem. Everyone can use solution nobody wants to work to make it
frosty mango
And it just one shots me
āWhat the fuck why donāt you guys kickā
*spams details meterā
frosty mango
That's the problem. Everyone can use solution nobody wants to work to make it
I wonāt point out the irony in your statement lol
lofty warren
I don't see the irony
frosty mango
You are saying that the problem is no one wants to do the work to create something while simultaneously being a part of the group you are saying is the problem
lofty warren
I designed the solution I did my part imo
sharp gale
I didnāt follow what is the topic
native mesa
Im baffled. when/ how do we learn thunderclap now? Cant find it anywhere
grizzled nova
I don't even understand the argument - mdt exists and loads of preset plater profiles are made public that give you all the information you're asking for.
sharp gale
What is the work
grizzled nova
Im baffled. when/ how do we learn thunderclap now? Cant find it anywhere
class tree
frosty mango
What is the work
Adding large magic busters to the spell reflect weakaura and differentiating between mit/deflect/reflect
native mesa
class tree
Good lord. Thanks
lofty warren
I don't even understand the argument - mdt exists and loads of preset plater pro...
Which one to add that does what roidberg just said 2 messages up?
sharp gale
Adding large magic busters to the spell reflect weakaura and differentiating bet...
Ohā¦.
grizzled nova
I don't use a reflect wa š¤·āāļø
I just learn what's important to reflect and then use it as a dr otherwise.
sharp gale
I feel you can just modify causese WAs to just put in big MAGIC or PHYS tbf
lofty warren
That's what I'm saying. Rememoeization < having that info shown to you to start
sharp gale
Since it tracks every busters already
frosty mango
Reflect wa is great for reducing cognitive load but like I was saying earlier you also need to understand what mobs are doing what because just hammering it every time it pops up isnāt always the play
grizzled nova
That's what I'm saying. Rememoeization < having that info shown to you to start
part of the process every season is looking at all the mobs you're pulling in mdt, seeing what may hurt, guessing where to apply defensives, seeing the outcome, and then adjusting as necessary
I mean that's the entire game
are you asking for a weakaura that does all that work ahead of time and just tells you exactly what to do and when?
lofty warren
I feel you can just modify causese WAs to just put in big MAGIC or PHYS tbf
Is this different from the reflect one?
sharp gale
That's what I'm saying. Rememoeization < having that info shown to you to start
But just having the spell showed to you should be enough, the dungeon doesnāt change for 6 months
You rote learn every trashs