I already got RL screaming curses at me for trying to avoid the parry, the 30% diff would make all the phy DPS go ham
#protection
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
positional requirements = bad
plush tendon
can I be a bear in a dino costume?
lusty grotto
ALL OF THEM
undone beacon
can I be a bear in a dino costume?
Zandalari moment
lusty grotto
including the whole parry bullshit
cerulean tusk
I disagree, I think it adds to the gameplay
lusty grotto
except for what you just said
plush tendon
I aint about that life
urban bane
just play trickster sub rogue and you dont get parried :]
lusty grotto
"everyone stack in front of boss", historically making melee get parried on most if not all bosses
that's a positional requirement
and what about casters?
cerulean tusk
Yep, but you trying to make this one agreement = wanting SB to not be directional
so nah
Paladins and DK got their little area zones
urban bane
my fried take is that making a boss unable to parry should be a raid buff
cerulean tusk
my fried take is that making a boss unable to parry should be a raid buff
DK raid buff? Hello
smoky pollen
I like bear! Can I go play bear mr. "in charge of who gets to play what"?
lusty grotto
the idea is that it has some sort of consistency from class to class
so all or nothing
cerulean tusk
Cause your argument falls flat at that point
solid sun
Genuine question because I’ve been one tricking prot this expansion. Was every tank owned by suleyman’s shield slam? Or just pwar and Ppal
cerulean tusk
"I want everyone having to do this"
"They do"
"I want everyone having to do this"
If you dont leave start, you cant move on
lusty grotto
youve mentioned all tanks having to face due to not sb/sotr/if/demon spikes like 12 times this past 30 mins
thats. not. the. point.
smoky pollen
I'm trying to figure out if this conversation has moved away from being constructive, or if it ever was
urban bane
Genuine question because I’ve been one tricking prot this expansion. Was every t...
scared me on blood dk
urban bane
I'm trying to figure out if this conversation has moved away from being construc...
bro it is an argument in the prot warrior discord what do you think hahahaha
frosty mango
Genuine question because I’ve been one tricking prot this expansion. Was every t...
Monk and Druid were fine
Bdk omega scary
Pwar/ppal moderately scary
cerulean tusk
Ya still stuck at the starting point, as it cant leave the ground, it is shackled down by reality
smoky pollen
bro it is an argument in the prot warrior discord what do you think hahahaha
I just want us all to come together and make the omega shield wall 🙁
urban bane
<3
frosty mango
Ppal and war could cooldown the shield slam but bdk basically has to clench their butt and hope they don’t get oneshot
solid sun
Monk and Druid were fine
Bdk omega scary
Pwar/ppal moderately scary
Why was it so rough on bdk
frosty mango
Which is basically bdk high level play in general
smoky pollen
Ppal and war could cooldown the shield slam but bdk basically has to clench thei...
We talent purgatory for a reason, it's a defensive
solid sun
Interesting
cerulean tusk
Purg is for when melee swings decide to sync and not get parried >:(
frosty mango
Why was it so rough on bdk
Because your mitigation is all self healing, so at a certain point of scaling a single hit can outright kill you, you have purgatory and after that if you don’t parry gl
smoky pollen
Purg is for when melee swings decide to sync and not get parried >:(
That also sometimes
frosty mango
It’s why bdk has been out of bleeding edge play for a few seasons because eventually mob damage outscales their ability to heal it
smoky pollen
Or when my big toe is in the frontal and I swear to God I wasn't in it
urban bane
I just want us all to come together and make the omega shield wall 🙁
pwargaroo wants war... but peace between prot warriors
frosty mango
I’m oversimplifying it but that’s bdk
cerulean tusk
I just want old BDK gameplay back
I want that global to global high stress dopamine gameplay
solid sun
It seems like the shield tanks have it worse than non-shield tanks except for bdk when it comes to not being able to block attacks which is why I’m not sure the cat’s argument is particularly fair
cerulean tusk
the slowed down CD orrientated BDK is kinda meh
smoky pollen
Bring back seemingly infinite scaling blood shields with revenge (or whatever that shit was called in MoP) stacked to a billion
urban bane
I think I generally liked blood dk before marrowrend yea
frosty mango
Monk and Druid are prob the safest classes to key on
plush tendon
I think I generally liked blood dk before marrowrend yea
I think they added marrowrend when they made death strike cost runic power
instead of runes
frosty mango
It’s fairly easy to stay alive
cerulean tusk
We talking low or high keys?
frosty mango
High
urban bane
oh thats right death strike was rune cost
cerulean tusk
hm, VDH gotta be up there
plush tendon
was a 2 rune cost
frosty mango
Monk next season will be huge
urban bane
and we spammed death coil or rune strike
frosty mango
hm, VDH gotta be up there
Yes but not as easy
plush tendon
yea
frosty mango
Monk is just stagger and purify
plush tendon
rune strike was our heroic strike
cerulean tusk
Warrior is just keep SB up 
urban bane
nostalgia
frosty mango
Warrior is just keep SB up <:gladge:963970137701109820>
Yes and not get hit in the back
cerulean tusk
Noone wants to be hit in the back
frosty mango
Which is surprisingly hard to do at high levels of play
smoky pollen
Something something ignore pain something
cerulean tusk
it is tricky, but that is half the fun
solid sun
Subjective
frosty mango
Noone wants to be hit in the back
You know I know on bear technically it’s bad but I went to 16:17 with bear this season and it didn’t seem to matter lol
urban bane
Oh that's something that bugs me. Unsure when this started happening, but mobs who just... you're standing still tanking them. And the mob just keeps wiggling around your hitbox despite you not moving
cerulean tusk
Bear bearly cares
urban bane
they like shuffle to the left and right
frosty mango
Oh that's something that bugs me. Unsure when this started happening, but mobs w...
That started happening in tww s2
urban bane
It is so annoying!
frosty mango
When they changed mobs to adjust so now they moonwalk all the time
smoky pollen
Yeah I am also not a fan, like they view other mobs as solid entities and wont stack on top of each other
flat tundra
shield best craft for someone who doesn't really raid? Going to be playing prot w/ team for the first time this season.
cerulean tusk
Oh that's something that bugs me. Unsure when this started happening, but mobs w...
stutterstep, to keep em stacked - it has been a mechanic always. But, there are a lot of scuffed hitboxes on mobs atm, so they surround more easily.
frosty mango
shield best craft for someone who doesn't really raid? Going to be playing prot...
Shield is always the best brother
urban bane
Yeah I mean I see it happen even with like a single boss or lt. with a big hitbox
flat tundra
rgr ty
urban bane
they just shuffle around like a nervous child at a middle school dance
lusty grotto
that shit has happened since DF
smoky pollen
Probably want to stab you in the butt
lusty grotto
remember the dragons in RLP?
cerulean tusk
DF was devilish a while at the start, the Ruby adds
urban bane
DUDE YES
cerulean tusk
holey
lusty grotto
or even further back
smoky pollen
Pls never mention RLP again
urban bane
They did it too!
solid sun
Ruby was a banger
smoky pollen
Trying to explain early RLP to my friends who started late dragonflight, I can't get ahead in the conversation
frosty mango
Yeah I mean I see it happen even with like a single boss or lt. with a big hitbo...
IMO somewhere near the start of tww s2 they made a few changes, one was to tab targeting and the other was to mob stacking in relation to players and models
The result is that now a lot of times mobs will settle behind you if there are a lot
You see it with charge a lot, you charge, mobs end up behind you
lusty grotto
thats always been the case
frosty mango
First pull of cinder is also very bad
lusty grotto
whether it was increased or not, i would agree
but mobs tend to surround you due to collision on big enough pulls
cerulean tusk
Just keep stuttering, and ya wont notice you also line em up for demolish
frosty mango
whether it was increased or not, i would agree
It def got way worse in s2 when they charged targeting and collision
frosty mango
You used to be able to tab and have your tab prioritize mobs that were casting but that seems to be broken now too
cerulean tusk
Clearly.
frosty mango
For like two seasons
urban bane
The wiggling just looks weird and is distracting is my complaint
smoky pollen
The MAN (blizzard) wants to keep us down and not let me thunder clap in the very center of a pack
lusty grotto
a single mob shouldnt wiggle as much as those dumb dragons did
cerulean tusk
Or the stupid rock mobs, who decided to run through you
frosty mango
I wish they would implement some logic where your first tab targeted the mob closest to the center of your camera view because whatever they did to the tab logic is atrocious
lusty grotto
idk if we can report that as a bug but its just not something that seems correct (on the single mob wiggling like crazy)
cerulean tusk
Mobs dont want to stand ontop of eachother, that is 100% a feature. The weird happenings around that logic tho... I presume is "intended"
solid sun
If shield wall provided 360 block like the animation suggests we could just send our handy dandy defensive and let the mobs do a whole ass line dance around us gleefully
smoky pollen
While i spam thunder clap every other gcd
cerulean tusk
Would make more sense it was bolster that did that
also give LS some additional value
smoky pollen
They should simply remove LS because i hate it
lusty grotto
or add something of value to it, without the need to talent
cerulean tusk
Last Stand should've been our cheat death
smoky pollen
The cat is the antithesis of me, the cat and I are one in the same but on different sides of the coin
Which means the cat is likely good at the game, as I am not.
frosty mango
They should simply remove LS because i hate it
Or make ls baseline and put something useful to augment it on the tree (not bolster)
lusty grotto
yup
lusty grotto
Last Stand should've been our cheat death <:gladge:963970137701109820>
perfect name for it too
frosty mango
Last Stand
On activation or when you drop below 10% health, gain last stand for 8 seconds. While last stand is active you cannot die, and your damage and healing are increased by 20%.
Stick it where bsv is, ez pz
lusty grotto
💯
frosty mango
Use it for offense, use it for defense
Agency
Well designed imo and I did it in 30 seconds
Hire me blizz
plush tendon
Last Stand
On activation or when you drop below 10% health, gain last stand for ...
seems a bit strong tbh
frosty mango
seems a bit strong tbh
That’s ok we can tune it
plush tendon
Id prefer activation on death
frosty mango
Probably not possible for coding and server tick reasons
plush tendon
If you wouldve died, instead return to 30% hp with 80%dr for 4 seconds. 8 min CD
frosty mango
That’s just bsv
plush tendon
BSV procs at 30% no?
frosty mango
Yeah but that’s just tuning bag
My point was we need dual purpose to give meaningful choice
frosty mango
You can choose to use it for damage, at the risk of not having it for healing/surviving
plush tendon
My point was we need dual purpose to give meaningful choice
I feel like this crosses the line between duel purpose and degenerate
if you want offensive choice, take a different talent
and forgo the cheat entirely
frosty mango
Nah degen would be giving a tank two aoe silences and two aoe mass grips, two leaps, having them be functionally unkillable and still do decent dps
That would be degen
plush tendon
thats not degen
thats just overloaded AF
not sure how that actually got into the game without someone going 'I think thats too much'
frosty mango
Exactly
lusty grotto
regardless, cheat should be last stand cause it fits the name
frosty mango
So give us degen last stand thanks
lusty grotto
the name for BSV fits some random stat increasing talent instead
BSV? well yes thats what we all are
and LS in its current form is just bloat
change the BSV name to LS, and put Banner in the LS spot, problem solved
frosty mango
Banner of chains
Banner of misery
Banner of blood
Banner of skulls
Give us all the banners
blazing shuttle
Nah degen would be giving a tank two aoe silences and two aoe mass grips, two le...
Two aoe fear that can CC for a short second or be used for some skipping.
Also make sure that all these CCs have no resources.
Oh and a small aoe stun. Cause why not?
plush tendon
Augusto youre wooshing
I see 4 banners listed
I thinking about 4 extra keybinds
and I panic
lusty grotto
solid sun
Get foot pedals
lusty grotto
kinda bummed i have to play fury slayer in raid next season
hope arms catches some buffs
plush tendon
lusty grotto
im never not making warrior my main
unless the class is completely toast
but i will certainly try fdk
as an alt
plush tendon
Converting my DK to Frost
idc about all the nerfs they be catching
no DnD for Obli cleave?
sign me the fuck up
plush tendon
I also really like it in PVP
solid sun
Is the expectation with the belt that at some point this season it’ll be out-simmed
I didn’t read anything about it and just got it
plush tendon
it should be
much like the Circlet
i imagine once you get a hero track belt upgraded
lusty grotto
yeah thats the expectation rhino
solid sun
Okie dokes
And what about the boots that work with the cloak
I just discovered that was a thing
Obvi nome will tell us what we’re shooting for and I don’t myth raid so I assume I’ll just rock highest ilvl boots
lusty grotto
we will see
plush tendon
I think its just highest I level boots
solid sun
Heck yeah I’m holding a shield
I don’t need extra shield
Unless the extra shield lets me block 360 degrees
lofty warren
Will those lame ass boots be bis and only acquirable in raid?
nocturne spindle
yes
lusty grotto
not sure about the bis part, at least for dps classes they will be
but they are indeed only acquirable in raid
high latch
I think it's likely that we'll get dinars this season too and I would assume those special items could also be purchased that way, but that won't be any time soon
lusty grotto
its safe to assume so
jagged gust
I mean free DR is free DR
lusty grotto
and yes that's also a good point
lusty grotto
👋
ive been around
busy with other games for the most part
but good for the most part
jagged gust
Nim got a whiff of the ptr notes and sensed his return was necessary
mentally preparing for another wave of week 1 rerollers
solid sun
Man dune had so much promise
lusty grotto
but i got CE so im good
solid sun
My buddies got this huge yellow stripe down their spines
lusty grotto
dune still has promise
the problem is devs dropped it during vacation time in the netherlands
a lot of changes i dont agree with cause i enjoy pvp
but they're mostly fine, hackers are the real problem
jagged gust
I'm still looking for a Warhammer online vibe for a PvP MMO
jagged gust
Was a little too young to play that one unfortunately, I remember kripp talking about it fondly
nocturne spindle
i mean no way they arent bis
its just free shield side effect basically
whether that shield even matters is up in the air
but it will be the best
lusty grotto
on that point i agree
jagged gust
It looked incredibly negligible from what I remember
But sometimes you make a mistake and live with 1% hp
nocturne spindle
they did buff the shield like 200% a ptr cycle ago
solid sun
Yeah but is it a myth only it’s the best situation
lusty grotto
right
lusty grotto
i guess what rhino is getting at is
high latch
It was nerfed a bit after that, but it's still at least noticable
lusty grotto
hero track Eth boots vs myth track any boot
jagged gust
Wait isn't that the cloak? I thought the boots were like +dr for the raid specific damage type
high latch
Yep. William is thinking of the ring probably.
jagged gust
I'm sure I have an item db saved somewhere to figure this out for myself lol
high latch
The boots increase the cloak effect's frequency by 50%, and there's a ring that gives a shield and reduces cosmic damage taken.
nocturne spindle
autumn roost
no one has specifically said that but there is a minor theory this might be true because bags from timewalking weekly stuff cant have tier. most people believe tier will be available though
plush tendon
It also doenst help that the stats on those boots are perfect
The real strat; sell keys, make gold, buy a carry and loot off the boss that drops the boots
lusty grotto
going back to that
hero track interloper's vs myth track any other boots
id be willing to say myth track any boots might only be better if the additional STR/armor/stats outperforms in terms of mit
does the 20% even change between tracks?
rough egret
I mean for the defensive part having both cloak and BSV on 3mins its kinda bad
So with lower version you can desync them atlest 😄
lusty grotto
its not a constant thing anyway
lusty grotto
myth track any boot is constant mit always up
is my point
vs hero track interloper's
jagged gust
I'm probably only running like 16-18s max next season, no need to run BSV in my case
lusty grotto
but yeah i see the BSV point
prime sphinx
just kill the boss mby this raid as easy as liberation. easiest tier since en
jagged gust
running full tank groups is always a good idea
it's literally playing the game on easy mode
toxic pewter
You guys think the new dh void spec could be a tank? Could be first class with two tank specs
vocal flame
Been gone for a bit and I checked the pins, how we looking next patch? See a lot of changes
lusty grotto
The real strat; sell keys, make gold, buy a carry and loot off the boss that dro...
also boots are bonus loot iirc, so you cant really buy them afaik, i could be wrong
lusty grotto
Been gone for a bit and I checked the pins, how we looking next patch? See a lot...
we are doing thane
jagged gust
Been gone for a bit and I checked the pins, how we looking next patch? See a lot...
prot good, fury good, mountain thane good
lusty grotto
as far as the rest, nome and mwahi will update the guides either this weekend or next week
toxic pewter
Calling it now: new dh void spec will be a TANK. I am first one saying this anywhere on the internet or in the community. Take it to the bank, you heard it here first.
plush tendon
Calling it now: new dh void spec will be a TANK. I am first one saying this anyw...
naw, no new DH spec
but we will get a void DH questline
toxic pewter
It’s happening
vocal flame
awesome thanks Nim and WIlliam! I gotta read through the changes but they seem pretty neat overall.
plush tendon
like Greenfire for locks
toxic pewter
There will be a third spec call entropy
jagged gust
hmm, the ranger alleria, the void ranger, in the void expansion, with a new void spec being added for DHs
plush tendon
also boots are bonus loot iirc, so you cant really buy them afaik, i could be wr...
just gotta get em on the loot table
jagged gust
i wonder what the new spec will be
high latch
I'd love a new tank spec added to the game, but I'd rather that be Earth Warden Shaman or something.
jagged gust
I wonder if Alleria is actually a red herring and Illidan randomly comes back from playing chess with big sword guy
plush tendon
actually.... a light armored 2h dps spec would be cool
lusty grotto
her character is fine
plush tendon
I dont know if DH is the best class for it though
lusty grotto
no reason for them to make her a red herring
prime sphinx
survival hunter is the tank
plush tendon
Survival hunter was a mistake
toxic pewter
I wonder if Alleria is actually a red herring and Illidan randomly comes back fr...
That what I said a month ago #protection message
lusty grotto
heavy disagree
jagged gust
Survival hunter was a mistake
I would abandon warrior in an instant
plush tendon
give me old surv any day
lusty grotto
old surv was fun, but new surv is good
jagged gust
stack agility to do 60% of the damage another person does so you can apply a raid debuff?
lusty grotto
nostalgia does nothing for us
toxic pewter
Other than dk when it came out.. would be cool to have a class with two tank specs like priests have two healing specs
plush tendon
BM shouldve been the melee hunter spec
and it shouldve been duel wield
like Rexxar
frosty mango
I wonder if Alleria is actually a red herring and Illidan randomly comes back fr...
Illidan is going to come back and be like “I been chillin in the void check out ma new skillz” and then he’ll bring in the new dh spec.
Then he’ll finally get over tyrande when he gets with his new elf mommy alleria.
Then malfurion will show up and be like “BROTHER”
jagged gust
I mean it kinda feels like it right?
lusty grotto
im ok with the sentiment but tank balance would be way worse
plush tendon
Illidan is coming back to defeat dimensius
we are gonna get all the avengers
plush tendon
Illidan, Arthas, Deathwing, Sylvannas, Garrosh
frosty mango
If we don’t get shaman tank
I’ll riot
I will drive my car into blizzard head quarters
jagged gust
Theyd be stepping on our mountain thane turf
toxic pewter
It’s not happening
frosty mango
And give them a strongly worded letter
Why would a sham tank be lightning based instead of earth based
plush tendon
bro, what a squad that would be
blazing shuttle
Tank Sham should have been a things for year.
jagged gust
same with lock tanking
toxic pewter
This also why they didn’t nerf vengeance dh at all. They want people to try the new dh spec
blazing shuttle
Wind = Enhancement
Earth = Tank - Warder
Fire = Elemental
Water = Restoration
jagged gust
Yeah but I never played when they had meta so I missed the fun
lusty grotto
apb sucking off illidan's toes while we are 3 hero classes combined, smh Broxigar, Blademasters and Mountain kings are shaking in their graves
toxic pewter
Lmao
toxic pewter
I personally wanted vdh to get nerfed hard
blazing shuttle
We just said it
lusty grotto
yes augusto
blazing shuttle
yeap
toxic pewter
I even made the topic on the forums
blazing shuttle
Slayer is Blademaster
blazing shuttle
And Colossus is like the good ol' Broxigar kind of deal
jagged gust
thane
/THān/
nounhistorical
noun: thane; plural noun: thanes
(in Anglo-Saxon England) a man who held land granted by the king or by a military nobleman, ranking between an ordinary freeman and a hereditary noble.
lusty grotto
slayer is most def NOT blademaster
jagged gust
so we're not mountain kings yet
lusty grotto
howw dare you
lusty grotto
our mirror image was bastardized into wizard's hands
blazing shuttle
True
lusty grotto
the only thing left is bladestorm
blazing shuttle
Where's our Windwalk?
lime mantle
so we're not mountain kings *yet*
Can't believe we are mountain regional managers.
This is bullshit.
toxic pewter
Didn’t priest have some sort of windwalk in mop or something
lusty grotto
also lets not forget tauren chieftains
who is our 3rd hero class
warriors = 3 hero classes, fuck DKs and DHs
lime mantle
also lets not forget tauren chieftains
Blizzard will not acknowledge tauren exist and you know this.
lusty grotto
hero class this hero class that, yeah well we're 3 of them
mortal cypress
3?
lusty grotto
am i forgetting one?
plush tendon
the only hero class in WoW is mage
lime mantle
Warden I guess?
plush tendon
lets be real
lusty grotto
yeah idk about warden
lusty grotto
right
blazing shuttle
The old Outlaw rogue
lusty grotto
combat
warm plinth
Combat rogue is like a big steaming pile of garbage. Because it is a big steaming pile of garbage.
lusty grotto
ok but, nobody is arguing about that
lofty warren
Make survival hunter a tank. Thank you for your attention to this matter
undone lake
in next patch, we will probably use MT or Colossus?
warm plinth
ok but, nobody is arguing about that
I wasn't arguing. Some things just gotta be said.
limpid ruin
the only hero class in WoW is mage
And don’t you ever forget 
warm plinth
#NeverForgetCombatRogueIsTrash
primal shale
*or the colossus buffs*
Sir this is warcraft. There are no buffs here
warm plinth
@lusty grotto I broke a game last night at pool and the tip of my break cue zoomed through the air like a tiny superhero 😢
lusty grotto
lmao
deep steppe
Hey guys random question. Does the Helm enchant from Visions work next season?
chilly brook
Hey guys random question. Does the Helm enchant from Visions work next season?
Nah
S2 only
karmic plinth
u prob wanna be running both spear capstones rsther than 1 cruel strikes
i don't think wrecking throw is going to be an always pick so you could grab double time or something else handy
solid sun
Well until next week when we get nerfed
Who knows what will happen then
Yeah yall copy liquid
Who knows what tank you’ll end up playing
Max knows. That dirty dog
mellow bridge
that point in LS looking pretty useless
unless you need it specifically for a mechanic
plush tendon
yea, it was a free point
solid sun
How many of the fights are pure single target this time
plush tendon
was thinking about the execute cleave as the flex
or maybe put it in alacrity for 2% haste
mellow bridge
standard would be 2% haste probs
and then flex it into LS if needed or exe cleave if the fight is good for it
solid sun
Demon hunters boss gonna get owned
plush tendon
Demon hunters boss gonna get owned
wont even know what hit em
lofty warren
On wowhead ptr do they have ptr class guides
lusty grotto
no
frosty mango
for pure ST
Prob wanna run sudden death over bloodborne
plush tendon
Prob wanna run sudden death over bloodborne
jagged gust
Pretty sure Nomer already simmed pure st
jagged gust
Clearly they saw my report
plush tendon
fastest mod this side of the Mississippi
plush tendon
lusty grotto
what'd i miss
was it some random user posting pictures of a very clear scam?
clear and obvious
jagged gust
it was like, pics taken from a phone of their screen selling bitcoins or smthng
lusty grotto
right
keen star
hi guys, what's the 11.2 raid build? colossus or mountain thane?
warm plinth
Nim, come on man, you can't interrupt the guy when he's at your mom's
dusky canopy
Chillin waiting for patch day
lusty grotto
MT, and wait until the guides update
dusky canopy
Nim, come on man, you can't interrupt the guy when he's at your mom's
Honestly TRUE
Smh!
lusty grotto
Chillin waiting for patch day
back to fury right?
dusky canopy
Oh yeah it’s fury tier
lusty grotto
fucking christ
dusky canopy
Better in keys and raid
Arms is competitive to fury in AoE but it does less ST at the same time
lusty grotto
surely arms will get buffed 
dusky canopy
Womp womp
warm plinth
Does fury have to use Odyn's though
dusky canopy
No the build right now doesn’t use it afaik
warm plinth
dusky canopy
Things could have changed I’ve been a little absent
dusky canopy
Shit boss anyway
dusky canopy
Bro you’re blessed and you don’t even know it
dusky canopy
Slots + trinket desyncing shit is annoying
Can’t wait to not have that issue next tier
lusty grotto
yeah i guess
dusky canopy
Blizz doesn’t like one button burst macros
So they make weapon on use share cd with trinket on use
Thanks guys
Now I gotta macro them anyway and just deal with desyncing bs
lusty grotto
lmao
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
dusky canopy
Me too I really prefer arms I’m better at it than fury too
But it’ll be nice not to rip a log because you dropped 15 jug stacks at 35.1% hp
jagged gust
I'd like Arms a lot more if it wasn't for rend
dusky canopy
The gameplay loop itself is fantastic for me personally
lusty grotto
and/or trying to game up stacks on adds only for rng to fuck you like i said last night
dusky canopy
Yep the game be like “ahh I see you sweeping execute that little rocket boy to get more jug stacks so now I won’t proc an sd for you for atleast 16 seconds”
jagged gust
and then it procs with .2 second left the moment you finally sent a GCD
lusty grotto
yup
dusky canopy
This is the way
frosty mango
wholesome group finder
chilly brook
But it’ll be nice not to rip a log because you dropped 15 jug stacks at 35.1% hp
I LOVE LOSING A 15 STACK JUGG TO A PARRY WHEN YOU DONT HAVE A SECOND SUDDEN DEATH PROC
WOOOO PARRY IS AN AWESOME MECHANIC RIGHT GUYS?
warm plinth
Just don't get parried
lusty grotto
I LOVE LOSING A 15 STACK JUGG TO A PARRY WHEN YOU DONT HAVE A SECOND SUDDEN DEAT...
right in the feels
chilly brook
<@&257983573498265600>
oblique garnet
Everytime
lusty grotto
whoa that was fast
chilly brook
Ty beautiful people
lusty grotto
late wasnt late
chilly brook
Late is BiS
blazing shuttle
What the hell happened?
lusty grotto
early late
oblique garnet
Im just trying to enjoy my shitty fucking reels and after work rum and coke
chilly brook
What the hell happened?
Scammer trying to scam
blazing shuttle
AGAIN?
lusty grotto
rum and coke sounds fucking great right now
lusty grotto
oh
chilly brook
But then you realize what you’re hitting is steel and just beat it harder you’re not breaking it
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
Im just trying to enjoy my shitty fucking reels and after work rum and coke
Rum and Dr pepper!
oblique garnet
Rum and Dr pepper!
No
solid sun
Twisted Tea for me
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
it be like that sometimes
dusky canopy
Work was chill here except in the last 10 minutes I set the wrong Z depth on my tool path and smacked the side of a vice and blew up the endmill
Lmao
lusty grotto
lol
dusky canopy
Ope, just have to chalk that one up to being a Friday
I’m already thinking about my rum and dpep
😉
lusty grotto
ngl i do rum and cokes with diet coke
i just dont know why but i prefer it over reg coke or zero
specifically for drinks
warm plinth
I'm stylin
lusty grotto
well i do know why, it just tastes better to me for some reason
lusty grotto
I'm stylin
nice nice !
toxic pewter
i just dont know why but i prefer it over reg coke or zero
diet coke is better than coke and coke zero it is true
runic granite
diet coke is better than coke and coke zero it is true
I feel so bad for you
Soda Stockholm Syndrome
solid sun
This sounds like misinformation
lusty grotto
solid sun
@frosty mango can you confirm/deny the status of this information
The lurkers could be in peril
Slash s. Lurkers I’m employing sarcasm
lusty grotto
solid sun
I do be yapping today
jagged gust
Coke Zero has this emptiness to it, doesn't have the right mouthfeel
mild river
How's our magic damage taken in keys next season? I'm curious since we'll lose the ability to block magic damage
cerulean tusk
Wut
It is a way to make ppl go "I know what would fill your mothfeel" hohohoho
Old as time
cerulean tusk
How's our magic damage taken in keys next season? I'm curious since we'll lose t...
It is fine -ish, but I only did 12-14s
Cant say magic dam was super scary
Dogos was worse
solid sun
Bleed gone gone
warm plinth
Bleed removed
Is it?
warm plinth
Sus
cerulean tusk
Imagine how sad I would be, if I got to know the bleed was still there
toxic pewter
On this maximum stream “99% of time prot warr is the best tank”
I swear this community wants us dead every patch
ebon sandal
toxic pewter
Big anti warr propaganda continues on
Meanwhile vdh zero nerfs LOL
Just disgraceful to witness in real time
jagged gust
you mean vdh buffs
toxic pewter
Yeah just wild
I don’t buy bdk is d tier that’s a lot of fake news too
Everyone dooming on bdk I don’t buy that at all sure they got some weird changes but they will be fine
jagged gust
I mean I hate bdks in the wild
So anything that disincentivizes them from playing in my pugs is a good thing
cerulean tusk
BDK for raid? A or S tier, BDK for M+? Probably like C tier, it functions, but isnt anything special.
azure crag
especially this patch. Blood dk doesn't feel so good right now
frosty mango
What trinkets is everyone settling on for keys on ptr?
Araz's Ritual Forge and Brand are the two that feel like the right pick for me so far but there's so many
warm plinth
What trinkets is everyone settling on for keys on ptr?
Roidberg's Mighty Pecs is the one I'm after
manic idol
question, im having rage generating issues in mythic plus, i feel like i spend my rage so fast that i can never regen it unless ravager is up
ravager is up i have to much rage but like if its not i just barely have rage to keep shield block active
warm plinth
Logs would help
Very likely, you're casting Ignore Pain too much and/or not pressing everything else enough.
manic idol
Very likely, you're casting Ignore Pain too much and/or not pressing everything ...
i basically keep shield slam on cd and i ahve shield block WA that basically helps me keep it up 24/7 and i still die so fast and never have rage
cerulean tusk
question, im having rage generating issues in mythic plus, i feel like i spend m...
The list:
- Are you gearmaxed? No? Get more gear.
- Are you using ignore pain other than to dump rage? Yes? Don't do that
- Shield Slam when it is able
manic idol
The list:
- Are you gearmaxed? No? Get more gear.
- Are you using ignore pain ot...
nah its my alt so im only 660
warm plinth
When I say everything, I mean everything
cerulean tusk
Aight, get gear - haste will solve most of your issues
manic idol
The list:
- Are you gearmaxed? No? Get more gear.
- Are you using ignore pain ot...
the issue is if i dont ip i just die
cerulean tusk
You die because you press IP
warm plinth
Then you're not playing properly
cerulean tusk
it starves you
warm plinth
I don't track IP at all
cerulean tusk
it is a noobtrap, it feels smart, but it aint
warm plinth
manic idol
its just weird to me cause sometimes i will do a dungeon ahve zero issues and other times get shit on even in same difficulty
like i did a 9 cinderbrew had no issues did a 8 cinderbrew died 2 times first room
one thing i noticed and idk if there is a way to prevent this but warrior gets absolutely melted by any sort of dot dmg from mobs
like the mugs from the big bois in cinderbrew first room that dot i just get melted
solid sun
@warm plinth @cerulean tusk
solid sun
This was in the notes long after the original change to move it to the autos
And some monk came in here and said they tested it and the bleed was gone and dogs didn’t do anything
@frosty mango was here too
frosty mango
they are indeed gone
they also seemingly lowered some of the damage on some of the abilities, we did it last night on a 16 and it was not nearly as bad
the rogue in my group was also doing like 11m overall so it could have just been him murdering everything quickly
warm plinth
<@255696891000389633> <@237283524040851459>
Bro what, he doesn't curse the whole group anymore? That's wild.
cerulean tusk
Ya better not be bamboozling me, if I die from DoTs day 1, I will come in here and rage at ya all
patent scroll
🤔 What do you mean Curse of Stone no longer applies to the whole group
What does the boss do then?
Leaps?
patent scroll
Yeah no everything else on that list sounds amazing
I just don't know what that change is meant to be
lofty warren
Rfw guy confirmed pwar best
toxic pewter
for raid its just cuz arms and fury are down bad
bleak breach
for raid its just cuz arms and fury are down bad
No
Best tank for raid currently according to the guys in the stream
toxic pewter
for m+ tho big anti warr propaganda going on again
bleak breach
I was listening to the tank stuff
toxic pewter
they said like 3 words for vdh m+
bleak breach
Na APB
bleak breach
The only reason they didn’t put PWar in crazy tier was max doesn’t rate attack power buff for m+
bleak breach
So in theory best tank atm but see how it goes
toxic pewter
deranged takes going on
solid sun
It's so interesting how you both watched it and have such differing takes on it
toxic pewter
vdh is top tank and will be again
bleak breach
It's so interesting how you both watched it and have such differing takes on it
Apb has his take, I’m just repeating what was said in stream
lofty warren
Vdh got GIGA nerfed read the last notes omg
toxic pewter
lol
bleak breach
Vdh got GIGA nerfed read the last notes omg
No they didn’t
lofty warren
Parry went down 8%
solid sun
I think y'all should cook us some pies and whoever prepared the best pie's take is the winning one
toxic pewter
hes being serious
bleak breach
I think y'all should cook us some pies and whoever prepared the best pie's take ...
Toxic
lofty warren
This is worse than the nerfs that aug got in 11.1
bleak breach
Ffs Pepega
solid sun
No, I'm just hungry and idk who to believe since you both seem to have watched it.
bleak breach
No, I'm just hungry and idk who to believe since you both seem to have watched i...
I’m just repeating info
lofty warren
Vdh bad if they take lots of damage believe me
bleak breach
There’s about 30 people there and they collectively said PWar in crazy tier for raid because damage is ridiculous and can’t die in short
M+ they all had crazy tier except max because of attack power buff
toxic pewter
its just the community anti prot warr bias.. literally been going strong since df beta (and obviously before then but df beta was a strong point withj the new talent trees)
bleak breach
But he kinda isn’t counting phys buff
bleak breach
That’s why you play phys team pepega
What I actually came here for, what are the m+ nerfs people have been talking about?
I saw news of heavy tank damage nerfs like all the tank busters/bleeds etc but can’t actually find notes for it?
warm plinth
lofty warren
No5 gonna lie I would be fine with abandoning my s2 vdh main for pwar again. Just please anything except for moon bear or bdk those suck ass
bleak breach
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1400999093836...
Thanks mate, was it just halls of atonement or is there more?
cerulean tusk
Dont worry, Pwarr will be nerfed after the rwf
warm plinth
No idea. He gave no link so idk where those even came from
cerulean tusk
it is just for the raid
warm plinth
I didn't see them
bleak breach
Ahh yep, no worries.
I’ve been looking but can’t find the info
lofty warren
Pwar got their self heal nerfed. They are warriors and shouldn't be healing
lofty warren
Yes they did they were way higher in ptr and then got nerfed
lofty warren
I said nerf not when they got it
bleak breach
There is absolutely no buff or nerf until anything makes it to live
So it’s a buff
110-150%
lofty warren
115% buff of 10 is gets you to like 21
solid sun
I think everyone knows what Pepega means when he says that pwar self-sustain got hit
I say that as someone who generally ignores the things they say
narrow prawn
I'm going to play this season as Prot for the first time in my life
solid sun
Especially when the playstyle shifted to Thane
narrow prawn
And my gear is so behind, it will be hard to do mythics for me
solid sun
@mellow bridge Sorry to bother you, but weren't you the one who came to us with the news that the doggo bleed in HoA had been removed?
lusty grotto
hmm max putting prot up is kinda bad news
the nerf hammer will hit hard
but thankfully, arms is probably gonna get buffed
solid sun
Yeah, you wanna fly under the radar a bit
lusty grotto
who did he talk to
warrior side
let me watch this i guess
im guessing critcake maybe?
always based takes
toxic pewter
critcake but via notes he sent him cuz he had to sleep
jagged gust
Crit is clearly sandbagging his opinions of DPS war
bleak breach
and prot? was it protcake too?
There’s a few of them in there
lusty grotto
feelsbadman
jagged gust
Guy is playing 3d chess
toxic pewter
he put arms in lowest tier
bleak breach
Can’t think of all the names off the top of my head
toxic pewter
says needs a complete rework
lusty grotto
thats cause arms is in the lowest tier
toxic pewter
ya
lusty grotto
hes 500% right
jagged gust
Arms actually down bad, but fury feels so good
toxic pewter
dorki and dratnos did all the tanks
lusty grotto
yeah thats fine
bleak breach
That’s the other one
lusty grotto
they arent oblivious
bleak breach
Couldn’t think of the name off the top of my head
lusty grotto
theyve played prot extensively at times
and i cant really disagree with their takes
toxic pewter
dorki was pretty adament thinking prot warr was top tier
lusty grotto
dorki is the only streamer to actually do banner gameplay correctly
naowh does well but dorki just blew him away on his uptime, so thats enough credibiity for me
bleak breach
Yes
bleak breach
It’s much better imo
lusty grotto
i dont know how to explain it more than that
toxic pewter
yah mid
bleak breach
Easiest way I’d put it apb
toxic pewter
that is how i feel about it too
lusty grotto
but also keep in mind, we've been put high in the last recent seasons
bleak breach
There’s a lot of really great talents that are hard to get because they’re blocked by nothing talents
lusty grotto
it means nothing, its just a tier list
toxic pewter
There’s a lot of really great talents that are hard to get because they’re block...
yah that is how I feel filling it out
lusty grotto
start of seasons, i mean
bleak breach
Easiest example is that stupid 4% def stance buff being on the same talent level as shield wall
But then you need it to get to AM
lusty grotto
last stand
bleak breach
Then fight through flames nerf made 0 sense with removal of spell block
bleak breach
Na, like no one will take it but it was just odd
Also the almighty ‘buff’ too tough as nails and they hide it in a corner
That should be where the def stance talent is
toxic pewter
these small little defensive nodes just feel bad to waste a talent point on
toxic pewter
feelsbadman
buoyant sparrow
Do we know what stats we going for? Haste > Crit >>>>>> mastery, vers
plush tendon
Well it changes
Mastery sims highest for me right now and haste the lowest
By quite a bit
But in general, it’s haste>crit>vers>mastery
solid sun
I'm so bored rn
lusty grotto
Do we know what stats we going for? Haste > Crit >>>>>> mastery, vers
the same prio we've always played
thats probably not gonna change ever
and btw that's not it
the one you posted
augusto has the correct one
but yes, it depends on your stat allocation as always
small steeple
I say that as someone who generally ignores the things they say
man, i'm shocked
solid sun
lol
rustic cove
anyone in here got a degen ptr talent build for max dam? nothing in pinned so i figured id ask
lusty grotto
wait until patch hits or the weekend
wicked pollen
wait until patch hits or the weekend
what does spell blocked the gunk in ws do
not apply the absorb
or reduce it
lusty grotto
reduce it
its just whatever there tbh
since you play stops for those during aoe anyway
waxen frigate
I'm so bored rn
Hop on OSRS and hit the gemstone crab with me for the next 8hrs
azure crag
Prot warrior is so weird. I've just been doing delves so far, and I'm completely invincible...
Until like, I accidentally pull two casters. And they just end me.
solid sun
Hop on OSRS and hit the gemstone crab with me for the next 8hrs
can i be lvl 1
lusty grotto
thats not a prot warrior issue
azure crag
I'm certain I'm doing something wrong, but just....suddenly going from literally nothing can hurt me to my health is just rapidly dropping and I don't know what to do
lusty grotto
i dont know the situation
and you are very likely not logging delves
but there's no caster(s) that should kill you without being outplayed
in delves
without outplay-ability, i guess is what i mean
idk its late
words hard
azure crag
I eventually beat them by just pulling them one at a time, but I genuinely had no idea what to do when both of them were just spamming bolts into me.
waxen frigate
can i be lvl 1
you dont need to be high lvl thats for sure im not high level
waxen frigate
living my best life for the next 8hrs
polar pelican
and use spell reflect on cd
azure crag
I did kicks and stuns and spell reflects on CD and spell block
They ate me alive through all of it. I could have maybe used my fear too, but the easiest thing was just not pulling them both at the same time
lusty grotto
and spam ignore pain
no
if you can remember the specific name of the mob
it would help
cause there are some casters that you simply have to move out of what they cast
otherwise you take big damage
polar pelican
also if you're like ilvl 610 and doing a t11 delve its gonna be tough
lusty grotto
was it the little mushrooms? was it the anub guys?
azure crag
I don't remember their specific names, but they were the elf like spider mobs. They had a LOT of health
lusty grotto
never spam IP, its used when you have high rage only
yeah so
those guys
are the ones im talking about
they do a channel where they put a circle on the ground and it follows you
and if you stay put
you just die
at lower ilvl
azure crag
Yup, I was running for my life, too. But I was also panicking because jesus christ my health is just depleting
azure crag
so I probably could have played a lot better. But once they got me down to one life, I just waited for them to split up and fought them one at a time
lusty grotto
the circle isnt that fast
it was faster in s1
but it can get lost if you pull a lot of mobs on top
visually
and this is their cast https://www.wowhead.com/spell=452041/grimweave-orb
it wasnt silk lol
so yeah the slow can screw you there
azure crag
Yeah, those guys. I could handle one of them, but two together just ripped me to pieces. I was probably getting hit by the orb and didn't notice amid the chaos
lusty grotto
you were 500% getting hit by it
its the only thing that kills you from them
and probably the biggest damage dealer in delves (if not dodged)
but again, just dodge it hehe
frosty mango
People: ask for advice
Nim: “have you considered playing better?”
maiden ravine
I love doing delves as prot myself. I consider my season highlight doing a deathless 11 at 580 ilvl. Throw on DPS Brann and vibe.
Might use warrior again to clear up to 11s on Tuesday
frosty mango
I personally hate delves but I do recognize that they bring content to the game a lot of people like so I can get behind them
lusty grotto
People: *ask for advice*
Nim: “have you considered playing better?”
lol
maiden ravine
Oh I know it's not for everyone, I just like doing stuff solo.
lusty grotto
cmon now, i didnt mean it that way, im very obvious when i mean it
but sometimes i do it accidentally
roid making me gaslight myself
frosty mango
roid making me gaslight myself
maiden ravine
I honestly hope Midnight does let you earn a currency that lets you upgrade a hero track item to myth track.
Even if it's just 1 or 2 a season
solid sun
Well tbf
Nim’s advice was a lot better than “spam IP”
Like the other guy said
Mouse did good
maiden ravine
those orbs do suck, generally want to stun the cast or focus them down
lusty grotto
also those orbs are one of the things that blizzard should have made more visually clear
they kinda tried this last season but its not enough
its still like white transparent kind of bs
jagged gust
So uh, after this past season of playing colo so much
I'm finding it really hard to remember to press TC lol
lament star
There’s a lot of really great talents that are hard to get because they’re block...
the damage reflection when blocking talent is so cool but we have to take 2 completely dead talents first which is just ☠️
azure crag
I normally prefer doing dungeons, but my guild's been on break for a couple of months and I figured delves would be good for practicing my rotation and abilities without bricking someone's key
fast oracle
Is thane good enough this season? I know it's not like ~optimal~ or anything but is it usable?
warm plinth
Yes it's usable
fast oracle
i mean like right now
warm plinth
It's a significant loss in aoe but it's perfectly viable
Depending on what talents you're playing as colossus, it may not be as big of a loss, but that's only because you're already taking a loss as Colossus
(e.g. if you drop battering ram for bsv)
frosty mango
I normally prefer doing dungeons, but my guild's been on break for a couple of m...
feel free to brick as many keys as you want
its season start
cant learn if you dont play
let the haters hate
frosty mango
@runic moth are you active here and are you the same torkal who has been updating the spell reflect WA?
split kiln
If we enter Diminishing Returns for Haste, do we prioritize Vers after? Or keep going Haste? Is there a way to sim it properly?
livid lava
Sims take DR into account no reason to ever think about DR
split kiln
How do we sim Prot just DPS Sim on Simcraft?
I am not really sure on how simming as "tank" works
plush tendon
we just sim for dps
or, if you lazy, just prio haste>crit>vers>mastery
personally, I just throw on rings with haste
plush tendon
naw, its really just follow sim
haste is still our best defensive stat though
the diference is pretty miniscule all things considered
spark veldt
boys any m+ ptr build?
lusty grotto
Where we keep going Haste/Crit past DR
thats likely the case
for us
since we lose s2 tier, so we gotta make up for SB cdr lost from the RNG procs of SC + Champs Bulwark
that means that more haste will be required to be effective
which applies also to the breakpoint to swap HR with ITF
so current haste rating is not compatible with next season
@plush tendon
it will only last until you break s2 tier
hazy ocean
Anyone know when the wowhead guide for S3 will come out?
frosty mango
Anyone know when the wowhead guide for S3 will come out?
If I had to guess I would say the first day of season 3
nocturne spindle
nome wont publish anything until no more ptr changes confirmed
which basically means day 1
lusty grotto
it has happened on the weekend before
so dont be surprised
afaik there's a code lock, so changes are likely final at this point
outside of things they can easily tune
frosty mango
we're 100% getting nerfed