protection

[mighty valley]

yeah i do kinda laugh when roughly the same crowd was like

"blizzard says borrowed power is going away. hurray!"

"blizzard says tier sets are coming back. hurray!"

[solid sun]

Yeah especially when that crowd wants tier sets that alter your gameplay

Which I’m not saying is bad btw

[lusty grotto]

tier sets are good borrowed power

seasonal borrowed power good

expansion borrowed power with grinds = bad

[mighty valley]

like, if artifact weapons were basically the same, but you typically got all the powers by the time you'd done all the zones

that'd be fine, i'd think it's ok that we throw them into a hole at the end of the expansion

[frosty mango]

I think of steroids as borrowed power

[solid sun]

Fatal power

Well I guess it depends I’m not a medical professional

[mighty valley]

hey i'm not giving these gains back at the end of the season

[lusty grotto]

its a good approach but it still feels bad to throw it out after being with it for so long

short term, its fine, people can handle short term, attachment plays a role

[mighty valley]

yeah... like rhino said that's gonna happen eventually

[lusty grotto]

muscle memory plays another, when it comes to rotational changes

[mighty valley]

is it better or worse if you know it's coming? idk

[lusty grotto]

i mean it still feels like ass

whether you know it or not

CASE IN POINT

[mortal cypress]

I used to be good at the game but they took it away

[lusty grotto]

Spell Blo-

[frosty mango]

Nah they added single button rotation so you could be good again

[solid sun]

Idk

[lusty grotto]

member when they removed berserker rage in DF?

[mortal cypress]

Already had that when I switched to a BM

[solid sun]

If a tier set enables a talent build or changes up my rotation for a season and then i lose it

[lusty grotto]

"oh, i guess ill eat this fear"

[mighty valley]

yeah, but the question on the table isn't really "is blizzard allowed to ever remove an ability from the game"

[lusty grotto]

well not removed, but turned it into a talent

[solid sun]

That would feel bad and it’s just for a season

[frosty mango]

Blizz should just add devastator and demolish baseline

[lusty grotto]

well i mean

[frosty mango]

Then we could be colossal mountain thanes

[lusty grotto]

seasonal just feels like the right amount of time

[mighty valley]

it's "what're the best ways to add variety while avoiding bloat"

[solid sun]

I think the best thing to do is remove talents

And make everyone play wow in VR

[lusty grotto]

i dont know why but

something tells me that people will be flocking goldshire

[solid sun]

lol

I wonder how awkward a dispute would be during raid night if everyone was playing in VR

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[solid sun]

Can you imagine Roid telling some random ret paladin they’re an idiot for pulling aggro asap first pull in a key in VR

Filibustering his ass while everyone’s hud is flashing the timer in their vr goggles

[lusty grotto]

i mean they ARE idiots

i just dont argue with them

[solid sun]

lol

[lusty grotto]

but i do mention it here

btw

the guild im trialing for?

[solid sun]

they have a rhino sized opening?

[lusty grotto]

i ret paladin'd a 12 with them, where a warlock was mentoring them on how to do the key, i just told him he was mentoring, and the tank told me if i was looking for a guild (which i was)

or asked me, rather

funny story lmao

[solid sun]

Nice. What a happy coincidence

[lusty grotto]

where was i going with this

oh yes

i ret pally

but you know that already

since you saved nimchipadin from queue hell

i guess i have to thank you for that Rhino

cause that got me into the guild

🤝

[solar forum]

We going right in as MT on Tuesday? Or should I stay Colossus until getting tier pieces? From what I’ve heard, the tier set is what’s really slapping for MT.

[lusty grotto]

on tuesday you do the story and then log off

[frosty mango]

I don’t ever yell

[lusty grotto]

so do it as shadow or holy or destruction, it dont matter

[bleak breach]

I saw something about Goldshire tavern so I’m here

[frosty mango]

I educate

I’m proud to say I’ve only crashed out twice in wow

Never at randoms

[solid sun]

It’s going to pay off even more when they have an opening and you get me in!

[lusty grotto]

i could try that

but we have 2 warriors atm

both of us are recruits though

[solid sun]

I play more than just warrior. I also play powerful specs

Like

Survival hunter

[frosty mango]

Sv looking goat next tier

[lusty grotto]

ok ill keep my ear to the ground for a spot

[solid sun]

I’ve never raided mythic though

[frosty mango]

That’s ok the bar is low

[lusty grotto]

finally an SV season again?

[solid sun]

Is there a mythic raid with training wheels?

[frosty mango]

You’ll be fine

[frosty mango]

Can you do a 12 key?

[solid sun]

I did some 15s!

[frosty mango]

Then you can mythic raid

A 15 way harder than CE

[lusty grotto]

for now

[frosty mango]

You got like 5 healers to carry you in raid

And bonus it’s a new season so everyone gets to fuck up together, so as long as you’re not the slowest learner you’re golden

I’m highly confident you’d be ok

[lusty grotto]

i wonder if blizzard just decided to make Dimensius ultra hard as a response to the gally bitching

you know they do that

[mighty valley]

man the clear rates for gally weren’t even that out of whack last time I checked

folks just watch rwf and say “that’s basically me”

[undone verge]

Thoughts on the new talent tree? I'm out of the loop

[cerulean tusk]

My thoughts is that it is aight, and that you should play around with it a bit

[strong forum]

7.8/10 too much water

[lusty grotto]

im thinking about cats

https://tenor.com/view/cat-and-mouse-cat-playing-guitar-mouse-playing-guitar-cat-and-rat-rat-playing-guitar-gif-3854408830583132868

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-gif-24015762

[undone verge]

No clue how this is going to affect us in terms of dps and survivability, depends on how tuning is, but from a completely layout stand-point I do really like how its set up

[lusty grotto]

quality AI gif

HEY let me go

[strong forum]

No it's real, I was there

[lusty grotto]

😮

[cerulean tusk]

Orange confirmed, NimChip over

[lusty grotto]

looks too much like my cousin

[cerulean tusk]

It seems like more options than there are. But you got an option to build more tanky or more spanky, you also get to build a bit as you prefer

So overall there is quite a few wins in the tree

[undone verge]

100%

I like how now if you really really wanted to you could go 100% dmg

[lusty grotto]

except for the big one

its fine

[strong forum]

Colossus has more options than thane

[neon elk]

U are big one

[strong forum]

But colossus also does less damage now

So

[lusty grotto]

sir, am rat, am smol

[strong forum]

[cerulean tusk]

For now

[neon elk]

U are bigest amongst rats, thus u are big , no?

[lusty grotto]

you may have a point

[neon elk]

Thank you sir rato

[lusty grotto]

mucho queso

that means youre welcome and ty too

[heavy sparrow]

What races are we looking at for season 3 prot warriors

[lusty grotto]

any

[heavy sparrow]

True true

[neon elk]

Lets just pretend i believe you cuz u are adorable rat and i have no reason not to

[lusty grotto]

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[lusty grotto]

seriously though, racials wont really matter next season

meld is on a pot, and afaik there's no killer bleeds

unless im completely out of the loop

[neon elk]

Bigest bleed is probably still first prio boss, and then there are some in dawnbreaker , but are u gona play specitic race for 1 boss and few random mobs in 2 out 8 dungeons ? Thats up to you realy

[lusty grotto]

yeah pretty much

dwarf is always a safe bet for self dispel without talents too

outside of bleed removal

[neon elk]

Yea it has it moments , but its far from "required"

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

[restive oak]

isn't any bleed when scaled high enough a killer bleed?

[lusty grotto]

the bleed's duration was nerfed

on dailcry

so its even less of an issue

but yeah that's true

dwarf is also useful on ara kara for poisons

[neon elk]

Dwarf also looks dope and that matter the most

[restive oak]

female dwarfs are hot

[heavy sparrow]

Stoned and honor friend

[lusty grotto]

we're not talking about stone dwarves

🚫

[neon elk]

Ngl new dwarven race was kinda lame move , darkirons are enough, at least for me

[mortal cypress]

I think most of these allied races that are really just resins are lame

Reskins

[neon elk]

Yea like a decent half of them at least should be just extra customization option to already existing races

[jagged gust]

I'm really enjoying not being a mechagnome anymore

Love remix for giving me the chance to create a bunch of backup toons

[neon elk]

Yea i finaly had a good oportunity to use bunch of forgoten toons thanks to mount farming event

[warm plinth]

I like how mechagnomes look but they're honestly too loud for warrior.

Their yelling gets old fast

[restive oak]

i play with no gamesound :x

[warm plinth]

There's nothing wrong with being a sociopath as long as you don't hurt anyone

[dusk socket]

Just read the latest patch notes. What are yalls thoughts on M+ tanking compared to S1 and S2? I feel like this is a big step in the right direction

[neon elk]

Looks decent for us i would say, but still favors other tanks more , but i guess its not bad ,havent realy played ptr tho

[dusk socket]

But to be fair I am also glazed over from the chaos of work today so I could be misunderstanding the notes haha

[jagged gust]

I'm the complete opposite, female warrior probably my favorite audio in the game, but I hate the mecha diaper

[mortal cypress]

It keeps the oil in

[warm plinth]

I don't see the diaper tbh. It's a robot. Almost every humanoid robot has that sort of pelvis

[jagged gust]

Personally I just used skirts to hide my legs, cuz unless you chose a mog with a matching palette to the 3 colours of armour you can use it always stands out way too much to me

big ol' nappy with robot-chicken legs

[azure crag]

is shield slam's damage based on the strength of your shield? or your main hand weapon?

[mighty valley]

It’s just attack power like everything else afaik

Block value doesn’t factor in any more

Shield is still the most important slot though (for living)

[toxic pewter]

So we are gonna be mountain thane again in m+ or wat

I’ve been away pvping wat I miss

[mighty valley]

Yeah right now thane is stronger in every way

Likely a week 1 nerf candidate but we’ll see

[toxic pewter]

I see

What’s so overpowered about it

Is it the tier set or wat

[earnest crater]

hows prot looking for s3 compared to prot pal/vdh?

[solid sun]

It's a tank

The others are also tanks

But pwar is a tank, too

[grizzled nova]

excuse me sir let me clap in peace

[mighty valley]

Yeah, damage is high

[grizzled nova]

ionizing strike doing dps

[toxic pewter]

I see

[solid sun]

Someone told me some of the dps rn is way out of wack

[toxic pewter]

I’m sure balance is complete ass as usual

[frosty mango]

Well they just posted official notes so

We’re locked in boys

At least until the end of week one lul

[grizzled nova]

lol yeh fr

ionizing strike almost certainly gonna get a love tap

but I choose to believe that fun will prevail

[solid sun]

We're never getting nerfed again.

It's only upwards from here.

[mighty valley]

We’re gonna be exempted from the next damage squish

[frosty mango]

I doubt they nerf ionizing

Imo they drop execute spread to 60% or nerf thunder blast

[drowsy shale]

Any talent tree setups for next week?

[lusty grotto]

next week is story time and afk /logout

so nothing to prepare for

but im sure nome will update the guide

and mwahi

so just wait till then

[pastel dew]

Vault fill via M0s and Delves to get Hero Track following week, no?

[lusty grotto]

fuck that

thats kind of a waste of time

[pastel dew]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-sad-upset-disappointed-sigh-gif-4435963

[lusty grotto]

but hey have at it 😄

[jagged gust]

Get 2 delve slots for a 20min investment

[lusty grotto]

i mean i guess its a free socket

early socket

so perhaps not really a waste of time

[pastel dew]

And next tier

[lusty grotto]

if you feel like gambling on the vault

but since my vaults are always garbage

but sure

i just fucking hate delves

[jagged gust]

I put up with throngus finger in S1 to be rewarded with 3 pacemakers in s2

vaults have been good this season

[lusty grotto]

thats nice

couldnt be me

any season

of any exp

[jagged gust]

And then I just bought mythic tome

imagine farming that one

[lusty grotto]

i had to do my buys tonight

since raid got cancelled

no oab kill for me tonight so

myth jastor and kezan it is

those are my 3 buys too

[jagged gust]

at least you'll get some value out of them for a bit

[warm plinth]

How's it a waste of time? Still gonna be an upgrade

[lusty grotto]

for around a week lol

hero track you mean ghash?

the track you can probably farm the next week?

a socket is the upgrade

hero track tier first piece also

anything else, not really worth the same as those 2

[jagged gust]

cant farm hero until the 12th

[lusty grotto]

well even worse

[warm plinth]

I'd still be farming hero pieces right now if not for crafting

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk, ill probably hit the delves just for the socket

[jagged gust]

I think you're limited to... veteran next week? Possible champion ring from WQ

[lusty grotto]

yeah that kinda sounds like what it was this past season

[drowsy shale]

yeah now that youve said it the farm 100% ill use for a free socket tbh

[jagged gust]

do 1 m0 and then 4 delves, easy peasy

[lusty grotto]

or an early tier piece

[warm plinth]

Why though? Then you're waiting on a piece worth socketing

[drowsy shale]

yeah i guess tier wouldnt be terrible either

yeah but why take a hero piece that you could just farm xD

[warm plinth]

Because it's an upgrade I dont have to worry about farming

[drowsy shale]

better to have socket in the wings for your mythic piece then get something that you just farm week 1 regardless

[lusty grotto]

but you will have to worry about farming

[warm plinth]

How so

[lusty grotto]

cause its not even hero track

early socket or tier is more efficient

[warm plinth]

Okay well that was the scenario presented

[jagged gust]

early tier is huge, with limited catalysts you can be waiting a couple weeks for 4p if you're unlucky

[warm plinth]

Can't read minds

[drowsy shale]

oh myb id heard the high delves was dishing hero track in the vault

week1

[lusty grotto]

its just optimizing your loot acquisition, it really makes no difference in the long run anyway

[jagged gust]

Getting a catalyst charge for 2k was freaking lame, hope that doesn't carry forward this season

[drowsy shale]

it is sadly

[lusty grotto]

teeny tiny optimization

[drowsy shale]

no free tier piece 🙁

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure its the same

[drowsy shale]

just a charge

blizzard said go fetch

[warm plinth]

I thought i read it was going to be a piece this time

[lusty grotto]

oh?

well tbf i havent seen anything concerning it

[drowsy shale]

my guildies be lieing to me if this is the case >_> lol

[warm plinth]

Nope

It's a charge I guess

Stupid af

[lusty grotto]

[lusty grotto]

ok

help me pick an alt for splits

the pool is: all of the tank classes

and nimchipadin is probably reserved for casual weekend optional raid

so all of the tank classes - non-tank pally

ok thanks guys, im going with vdh

[small steeple]

hmmm... tome no longer bis for raid next season?

[lusty grotto]

gross

[frosty mango]

It was pretty strong 10% may not have been enough to topple it

[bleak breach]

Yeah, it was uber bis so might still slightly sit ahead of pack. Who knows

It will probably still be bis raid trink because of uptime

[azure crag]

"Please use the armor."
Said the Blizzard.
"I will drop the trinket before I use the armor."
Said the Tank.

Also holy crap prot warrior is so much fun

[solid sun]

Are we getting the new hard mode only version of mythic tazavesh?

Before the actual season starts?

[quaint granite]

I don't think so

[solid sun]

Waste

[warm plinth]

I told you to ping me if you needed me

[solid sun]

You aren't waste

You're Doot

https://tenor.com/view/pixel-art-trumpet-doot-doot-meme-dancing-gif-27309766

[warm plinth]

Can't use my special emoji

[solid sun]

I'll do it again

[idle copper]

At the moment (S2) I feel significantly more tanky needing less heals as colossus. The extra IPs as Thane still sees me relying on the healer to keep me top up rather than the healing I'm getting from Colossus

Is it purely the extra dmg that has moved Thane ahead on ptr or has something else changed to give it more self sustain - from reading it seems like people won't be running FBV (as Thane )

[lone current]

Are you running fbv on live rn?

if your're not, most of our self sustain is just leech vaules right?

[frosty mango]

in s2 currently as live thane is tankier than colossus, not by a lot

but its driven largely by rage generation

youre generating so much rage that you are dumping into IP and when coupled with leech youre fairly tanky

if you feel signifigantly more tanky as colossus on live then its likely you are wasting rage as thane

[idle copper]

yep running FBV atm edit for collasus

[idle copper]

Wasting it as in over capping rage or overlapping IP ?

[solid sun]

We don’t care about overlapping IP. We just care about dumping rage so as to not waste rage

[idle copper]

Tbh as Thane I'm pretty much just sending IP when it lets me

I just seem to drop my hp significantly more often as Thane

I'm not dieing but it seems to yo yo a lot more as thane than as collasus (I'm still talking S2 atm)

[solid sun]

You’d probably need to supply some logs

[idle copper]

I'll have another run after work and post what I get

[frosty mango]

as in not spending your rage and therefore not getting good IP value

either that or youre getting hit in the back

but your health shouldnt be yoyoing

[rigid hull]

whats the best hero track item i can get after getting the shield ? (with chips)

[rough egret]

bombsuit

[jagged pier]

u dont buy the shield a crafted shield is better

[untold isle]

I sitll have 2 8/8m cartel chips left. Any recommnedations what I should buy ? I will be tanking s3. or it doesnt matter cause of the ilvl ? https://raider.io/characters/eu/burning-blade/Hyar

[sharp gale]

It doesn’t really matter

[untold isle]

also, I really loved colossus this season, but apparently we will be playing thane next season. In collosus we had : Earthquaker Shockwave also knocks enemies into the air and its cooldown is reduced by 5 sec. This was a great additional CC, what do we replace it with in Thane or nothing?

[sharp gale]

Unless you want to do something particular before Tuesday/wednesday

Idk if you have the cloak, it is a nice mog (idk if it is available with the cartel ship)

[untold isle]

Might just get the xmogs then

[sharp gale]

You don’t have gally shield ? (Is it buyable ?)

[untold isle]

it is

but i got that xmog 😄

[sharp gale]

You also have the renown currency for mogs btw

[untold isle]

yeah i guess I got 2 from that as well

will need to look at it today

[sharp gale]

It’s just to say, you need nothing to do m0 or delves, or to start m+ the week after

[untold isle]

yea

[split kiln]

Anyone know where to find a good PTR build for Warrior?

[rough egret]

gally shield might get you some extra dps

M bombsuit might be good option too

[hardy snow]

just make another prot warrior

[heavy sparrow]

Pandas are bouncy

[brazen leaf]

Just started the last few weeks to play Prot Warrior, got up to 10's now but I'm still unsure about some things, I come from BDK:
What takes priority, Shield Block or Ignore pain?
And when should I prioritize damage over ignore pain? Like yes I have Shield wall up and shield block running, is it safe to use rage on Revenge or should I focus on Ignore Pain?

Sorry if they are noob questions 😅

[daring narwhal]

Always have shield block up, you can have 100% uptime on it. Use ignore pain when you risk overcapping rage or dying. Healer need to heal you a lot sometimes (like priory 1st boss, momma...) which is quite different as DK afaik

[brazen leaf]

Thank you, I'll aim for that then.

And yes, its so strange to go from being 100% self sufficient to needing some heals from the healer

[prisma void]

Playing thane we get extra stuns from stormbolt and also we get access to the Aoe silence in P3

[high latch]

Is the Stormbolt talent actually good? An extra two 2sec stuns are kinda nice, but it increases the cooldown so much.. I kinda feel like it's better to take the other choice even if you don't have Intervene just to avoid that.

[neon elk]

It also puts an dr on random targets which isnt exactly a good thing

Not sure how afordable intervene is next patch talent wise, but i would assume we play that

[left meteor]

The Thane node doesn't make you want to take Intervene more than you already are

it's a pitiful amount of shielding

[harsh trellis]

thats why I just go stormbolt

its cool for a stun or if you have nothing else to send atm , press it lol

its still piss dmg but dmg never the less

[high latch]

The interesting thing is that you don't have to pick the Stormbolt choice even if you don't have Intervene. You can still pick the Intervene choice just to avoid the cooldown increase.

[harsh trellis]

I dont mind the increase

sometimes you run into packs in a key you can stun multiple targets with it

10 seconds isnt that big

so a 40 second cooldown, Im not relying on stormbolt for anything just like im not relying on intervene , just 2 meh choices and 1 of them does dmg.

[high latch]

Hmm, yeah.. Maybe it's just preference in the end. +33% cooldown just sounds insane for such small benefit with additional downsides.

[untold isle]

I was already playing with the AOE silence in M+ so that + the throw to air was quite OP ;p

[harsh trellis]

Like take the first pull in cinderbrew. once you get your big ass pack all gathered up. toss out a stormbolt. You just got a 4sec break in dmg intake lol

but you hit something that only does melee dmg so its useless but you also did 78k dmg to them.

ohhhh im late to the "where the hell did juggernaught go" party

[prisma void]

Nice, I've not been using it so much since my group rarely needs it, espeicslly playing with a resto sham. But im excited to play prot warrior S3 . Can't wait to spell reflect my heart out

[placid thicket]

hey guys, i recently saw Yoda's 2nd round on stress tsting tanks, the prot warr couldn't kill the pack where the dk and vdh done it. Is this purely cuz of the self healing talent nerf? Will it be still better than the ignore pain talent or are we ditching the 150% bleed dmg healing again?

[harsh trellis]

got a link?

[placid thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qez6cQ7Ydm4&list=PL55yPcqdYw9zhaHrRH6HB33S_zv6wWy-d&ab_channel=YoDaTV

[harsh trellis]

its a level 15

lol

[placid thicket]

yup

he did the same testing pre nerf in the new dungeon Ecodome and killed the pack on a 15 with warrior as well as dk and dh

[harsh trellis]

wtf happened to his last stand

OH

he never took it

he went full out offense on it

[neon elk]

Nerf didnt impact it that much, different dungeon did . That first taza pull is a lot of magic dmg. Also , surprise surprise , self suficient tanks are better at being selfless , who could tell that . Testing stuff that favors one over the other in situation that never happens in real life

[harsh trellis]

I think its a neat experiment. I never really follow these guys or watch their videos enough. I normally try to go a little more defensive in higher level keys.

[neon elk]

How exactly is it neat ? Or what exactly it does show ?

[harsh trellis]

its just a solo run pull on all the tanks

[neon elk]

Yea but why is it a good stuff? He just shows that tanks with tons of selfhealing are better at soloing stuff

In other news water is wet

[jagged pier]

Yer lets tests tanks in a situation where they never are in

And surpise when tanks that do need healing not much but some dont compare to the ones that have their own healing

[harsh trellis]

Looking over the list of talents in our re-talent dealio..... how much maximum magic dmg reduction are we actually getting now?

[warm plinth]

Idk, like...24% off the top of my head?

20% from def stance, 4% from the magic dr talent

[solid sun]

lol the stress test thing is super funny to me

[warm plinth]

You're super funny

Gottem

[blazing shuttle]

Okay. BDK/VDH/Prot Pally can survive it due to their insane sustain.

However, as said above, cool. Does it really matter? Is it really the kind of situation that shows if X or Y tank is better than or another?

If we go by this, then BDK would be among the best M+ tank and right now… let’s say we got our kneecaps shot and now our ankles too. Oh and they gave us a band aid. A small one.

… Also his Monk gameplay, according to some Monk players, is not great. So I’m taking it all with a grain of salt. Especially with the prot pally glazing in S2.

[harsh trellis]

I haven't been very good at word problems outside of IT things. but this wording drives me nuts. so is this really 24% magic dmg reduction

[warm plinth]

Yes. 20% all damage, 24% magic damage

[harsh trellis]

kick butt thank you

[solid sun]

He should have done the stress tests in atonement against double mortal strike mobs

So all the tanks die and then he could put all the tanks on the same tier

[warm plinth]

It's Friday

💃

[solid sun]

Cmon my idea is genius

[blazing shuttle]

Someone get this man a platform.

He spits facts.

[warm plinth]

More realistic than streets first pull, I'll give you that

Or gambit

[solid sun]

Also

Since there’s nothing to do next week, what’s the likelihood we get some fantastic videos of some prime delve action

With complaints about certain specs doing crazy dps

[idle copper]

Is it still looking like BV rather than FBV for Thane next season?

[jagged pier]

Yes

[neon elk]

Wdym theres nothing to do next week?

[solid sun]

Ummm

I feel like the sentence kinda holds up

[harsh trellis]

need to get your mythic 0s in

[solid sun]

Hit the story

Log out

[neon elk]

Do the story ( idk how long it is) do 8 mythics do 8 delves , there is definitely what do to

Well unless u play like 12 hours a day , then y probably done in one siting i guess

[solid sun]

I don’t really do delves

[harsh trellis]

I mean its cool if you dont care about missing out on max 691 gear

[solid sun]

And I don’t really see myself doing m0s.

I can just do raid and m+ the week after

[neon elk]

You can, going by that logic there is nothing to do next 3 months cuz u can just do it later i guess

[solid sun]

Nah, there’s keys and raid to do

I don’t know why you seem so pressed that there’s nothing to do next week

[blazing shuttle]

Free socket.

[neon elk]

Because its simply not true ? U decide to miss out on stuff thats on you

[blazing shuttle]

For your wrists.

[harsh trellis]

oh, you woke up and chose to argue on the internet.

[blazing shuttle]

And free gear.

[neon elk]

Like u seem to care about raid or m+ why would u choose not to start season with extra piece of gear ?

[solid sun]

I’m not going to waste my time doing content I don’t like or m0s for gear that I’m going to replace in 5 minutes. There’s other stuff to do

[harsh trellis]

its best to just not worry what others do with thier time in wow

[solid sun]

I’m not? I literally made a funny joke about content creation and I’m being interrogated about it lmao

[blazing shuttle]

Personally, I just am happy to get a free socket for my wrists. Saves one vault. Fuck yeah.

[neon elk]

Interrogated ? I just asked how is there nothing to do and then your proceedee just tell me "im not interested in stuff that can be done "

[solid sun]

You asked what I meant, I told you, and now you’re deciding to tell me why I’m wrong.

[neon elk]

Like u do u , ill rather start my season witch chance for hero tier, trinket or whatnot

[solid sun]

It sounds like you care a lot more about how I ingest wow than the other way around

[pine storm]

Maybe because we got enough negative whiners these days without people being "funny" by throwing around missinformation based on their own preferance. Sure, maybe you won't do it, but don't label it as "There's no content" 😄

[neon elk]

This exactly

I didnt mean to be offensive, nor do i care how u or anyone else spends their time, but there is tons of lukers there days and just saying "there is nothing to do" , when major patch hits is simply wrong in my eyes

But like i said , u do u

[idle copper]

As in you take the socket rather than a heroes piece of gear yep?

[blazing shuttle]

It is M0s. You’re gonna get champion gear, not hero.

[idle copper]

Wouldn't you get heroes from T8 delves though?

Edit as in the vault reward

[pine storm]

I've actually been wondering about that.
It doesn't say the ilvl is capped anywere that I could find, and it says all delve levels are active and vault credit will be counted.
So I imagine we will get hero track out of the delve row?

[remote tusk]

Dont's 11s give Gilded

[idle copper]

...so that's a heroe vault reward - honestly just double checking I'm crap a reading stuff like that

[clever hazel]

Bountiful do (starting week 2)

[blazing shuttle]

Still. Would get the socket. Hero gear is easily acquired. Socket is one vault.

[solid sun]

It’s champion gear from vault at 691

Yall better be careful or you’ll be told you’re spreading misinformation

[idle copper]

Yep makes sense, was just checking as I have a tendancy to mess up and get buyers remorse

[idle copper]

The above chart shows 694H? or is that for 2nd week onwards?

[solid sun]

Vault. 691 Champion 4

[pine storm]

See, we are talking about this. See the overlap?
Problem is that we don't have any official clarification from blizz if there's a cap preventing this from week 1

[lilac basalt]

Weren’t delves restricted to tier 3 or something in the beginning of s2?

I mean week 0

[solid sun]

That’s bountiful delves

The other guy said those aren’t starting until week 2

Is he spreading misinformation

[pine storm]

That is part of the "problem" this time around. We have had several different limitations before where week 1 only had m+ 4, or delve level limited etc.
This time it says all delve levels opens with vault credit on week 1, but bountifull is only active week 2

Which means no map or hero piece from the delve itself, but sounds like we will get hero from vault at the start of week 2

Emphasize on "sounds like". We don't actually know.

[solid sun]

How do you get vault rewards from bountiful delves if bountiful delves aren’t active week 1

You wouldn’t have done any bountiful delves week 1 to reep that reward at the start of week 2

[pine storm]

Because delves doesn't have to be bountifull to give vault credit...

[solid sun]

But the chart is labeled bountiful delves

Would this not indicate that you must do a bountiful delves at that delve level to receive that vault reward

[rough egret]

like in current state it doesnt matter if you do 11 tier delve

with key or without

[pine storm]

Because the chart is made for how it's going to generally work throughout the season, and not made by blizz for how a potential weird week 1 is going to work

[rough egret]

reward in vaults is still same i lvl

well i guess we just have to wait 4 more days 😄

I wanted to round my m+ score at 3300 for this season, but im now at 3347... i can make it to 3400 i guess 😄

[solid sun]

Idk I’ve thought about it and the only conclusion I can come to is that we have lurkers here. You can’t just be posting tables that are labeled one way but actually meant for something else. Misinformation

[lusty grotto]

whats this about, good morning

[solid sun]

I was told I was spreading misinformation because I made a joke about there being nothing to do next week

[lusty grotto]

sigh

are people taking week 1 seriously again?

[solid sun]

Apparently.

[lusty grotto]

last season ilvl was capped, so like we mentioned yesterday, you want either a socket or a tier piece, ilvl doesnt matter

just for that first week

if everything is less than farmable tracks, nothing is worth except for those two

so just fill 3 slots, and that's it

[rough egret]

didnt they say that tier cant be in the first vault somewhere? i have something like that in mind

[lusty grotto]

doubtful

it was in 1st vault last season, no reason to change that

its just vault rng

but regardless, a week 1 socket is a good thing to have

[frosty mango]

Did someone say misinformation

That’s my speciality

[lusty grotto]

apparently

[plush tendon]

I solve all problems with gearing by just doing the highest content available to me

[lusty grotto]

[plush tendon]

no need for spreadsheets

[solid sun]

I’m just being snarky because I haven’t even had coffee yet and people are grinding my gears

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/grinds-my-gears-peter-griffin-seth-mc-farlane-family-guy-gif-1236149375205084885

[lusty grotto]

this is just the start of it Rhino, get ready for the weekend

[plush tendon]

I did get my Prot War to 682 I level

2 weeks from 655 to 682

[lusty grotto]

i should do that with my alts

but

i cant give a shit about it this last weekend

[plush tendon]

eh, not totally worth it

681 will drop in 0s

I just wanted to make sure my tier was fully upgraded

[neon elk]

Just do it next week ezpz

[lusty grotto]

chipadin is like 675, and shearchip is 675 or so too

[plush tendon]

since youll hold onto that for a bit of time

[lusty grotto]

yeah im covered on that one

[plush tendon]

and I totally ignored cape

since next week we just get the super duper legendary cape of awesomeness or something

[frosty mango]

I spend the last week on the ptr

Gotta get that muscle memory

[plush tendon]

I got my VDH and Prot War pretty full geared

and got all the season TMOG

for all difficulties

[frosty mango]

Finally got my hoa route down i think

[plush tendon]

big brain play, buy the delve gear to get LFR set

for free

come Aug 5

[lusty grotto]

i kinda didnt wanna play lots of alts in tww so my BDK/Brew/Bear have been kinda left as profession alts

[frosty mango]

Big shroud/invis pot gaming, got the +3

[plush tendon]

I cant help it XD

Warbands are 4 man squads

[frosty mango]

Is the brew nimspin or nimdrunk

[plush tendon]

time to convert that BDK to Frost

[lusty grotto]

monkchip

[plush tendon]

Blood down real bad

https://tenor.com/view/sadhamstergirl-gif-4231717927828306245

[lusty grotto]

damn augusto

didnt know, ive been out of the loop on other tanks

[plush tendon]

Blood will be fine in raid

it always is

but M+.... honestly, just play something else

[lusty grotto]

yeah im just thinking about my split alt

i put DH there but

[plush tendon]

DH can get a bit of stale

[lusty grotto]

yeah im not sold on it

[plush tendon]

ends up being Soul Cleave spam till my fingers fall off

[lusty grotto]

oh i know

[little lark]

I think DH in M+ is actually very fun, because you get to use your utility

in raid thats different tho

[plush tendon]

still, VDH is the only tank I have ever gotten M+ title on

[lusty grotto]

my alts never push, they just do vault keys

[plush tendon]

S3 VDH was just built diffy

got to 26/27 on my BDK

swapped to VDH and suddenly I was pushing 29s within a night

[solid sun]

It’s going to be hard to do vault keys on not pwar characters for me

[plush tendon]

[solid sun]

Vault key build is gas

[warm plinth]

Target capped tanking, let's go!

[plush tendon]

make spirit bomb fun ffs

[lusty grotto]

i think you mispelled

[little lark]

nah lets buff soul cleave again

[lusty grotto]

"remove target caps"

"from everything"

"and everyone"

[warm plinth]

Vdh is honestly poorly designed in terms of core rotation

[plush tendon]

very much so

its just so damn tanky against everything

and casters cream over the 3% magic damage

[little lark]

80% of melee too

[warm plinth]

Like making something cost 2 resources is dumb af

[blazing shuttle]

Same….

[harsh trellis]

Is there a way to show % for mobs + when you are running Heroic or mythic next week?

[plush tendon]

but I want to push for title this season since Im not raiding

[warm plinth]

It made way more sense when cleave was your overcap prevention and bomb was your frag spender

[plush tendon]

gonna start on the Prot War

and build a chad melee comp

[warm plinth]

They just needed to change cleave to be actually good to press and that would've been fine

[lusty grotto]

wait

youre not raiding ?

what happened

[plush tendon]

I stopped raiding in April

[warm plinth]

Or rework cleave to be st and spb aoe (and baseline)

[lusty grotto]

o

[plush tendon]

its just such a time commitment

[little lark]

and title isnt ?

[plush tendon]

and I can no longer justify it

[plush tendon]

its not on a schedule

[little lark]

thats fair

[plush tendon]

though, I would like to raid again now that things have calmed down

but I also dont want to go guild hunting again

such a pain in the ass

[lusty grotto]

uunderstandable

but what about your prot friend

fuck i forgot his name

[plush tendon]

The stoat?

[lusty grotto]

ohhh yaa

[plush tendon]

@limpid ruin are we friends still

[lusty grotto]

you guys were guilded together right?

or so i assumed

that reminds me

i gott DM brew

and ask how his mom is after last night

[warm plinth]

Took me a second to realize what you meant tbh

[limpid ruin]

[plush tendon]

[plush tendon]

I would never!

[solid sun]

He would

@frosty mango what happened to this sick dungeon tier list

[frosty mango]

It’s so epic I have to take my time

[solid sun]

I wanna send my guildies into a spiral by showing them how dreadful certain dungeons will be

[lusty grotto]

[shrewd plinth]

For S3 did the hero spec change? Assuming you’re solid would farm keys be faster as thane or colossus?

[lusty grotto]

so far its thane

but... since it'll probably catch some nerfs

we will have to see when the season actually starts

[solid sun]

Never getting nerfed again, gotta believe it’s only up from here forever

[shrewd plinth]

[frosty mango]

Patch notes are out so likely thane week one but imo I agree we gettin the nerf bat quickly

[lusty grotto]

well colossus might catch some buffs, but its blizzard

you know theyd rather nerf than buff in most cases

[frosty mango]

Good news is it’s really strong so unless they buff colossus too, thane prob still the play. And they already nerfed colossus twice

[solid sun]

Maybe if we change our details to show vdh color purple on it and convince all the people streaming pwar to do the same we will trick blizz into nerfing vdh instead of us

[lusty grotto]

well vdh did catch a few nerfs

[frosty mango]

Thane single target is chefs kiss

I love doing dps levels of single target damage

[shrewd plinth]

Use macros to reskin every prot ability to some purple or green fire ability

[lusty grotto]

small nerfs but still

roid would you say s3 falls in line with DF's m+ philosophy or is it still in s2 levels

im curious why they would not keep the s2 u-turn up, i dont think most people disagreed with the overall direction

chain casting feels like too much DF to me

[plush tendon]

I mean.... I wouldnt call them catching strays

VDH is still supremely tanky, but the damage is kind of mid

[lusty grotto]

right

not disagreeing at all with that

[plush tendon]

I still dont know why they still have demonic tatoos as a passive affect

10% DR for existing

granted we have D-Stance so what do I know

[lusty grotto]

that was one of my arguments in the very initial prot warrior feedback thread

[plush tendon]

'looks at BDK' you surely have some sort of passive DR right???

[lusty grotto]

"how come the tank with the lowest self sustain also has the lowest magic mit"

meanwhile passive magic mit exists for self-sustain tanks

or just passive mit in general

well, except BDK

[plush tendon]

we do have a talent for a +4% magic DR

and another +4% DR

[lusty grotto]

yes but that was concerning spell block removal

[plush tendon]

and Spell Relfect is still a nice 20 second CD

25%/35% DR

[plush tendon]

Spell Block was a insane spell

will miss it, but prob for the best

[lusty grotto]

im aware augusto im not exactly new

[plush tendon]

I was just being thorough

[lusty grotto]

the problem is self sustain tanks also tend to have the highest magic mit

[plush tendon]

I just straight up think VDH is way too tanky

just outright

against all types of damage

[lusty grotto]

meanwhile we were great, and had an ability that fit the prot warrior mit gameplay, controllable and on demand

my argument boiled down to...

[frosty mango]

I dunno because their changes are sometimes good and sometimes make zero sense

Like the spell block removal was lunacy, and then they nerfed colossus tier bonus by 20% (which I predicted #winning) but then they overbuff thane

[lusty grotto]

the warrior dev is the very classic "shoot darts at board", i swear to god

[frosty mango]

The colossus change was clearly meant to reduce self sustain via fbv but thane with brv has so much rage gen that it’s equally as tanky if not more

[cerulean tusk]

Nim, did you know that SR have DR?

[frosty mango]

So I personally can’t get a handle on their methodology

[cerulean tusk]

Bet you didnt

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-mouse-fight-back-attack-gif-7948919

[frosty mango]

I know they will nerf thane and the proper way to do that would be to tune ionizing strike damage and maybe the thunder blast proc rate

But following their current logic they’ll need tblast and execute damage

Fury will prob get caught in the tblast cross fire

That’s my prediction

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats very likely

[frosty mango]

But honestly you never know wtf they’re going to do because it’s never consistent

[plush tendon]

gotta keep us on our toes

[urban bane]

i mean there are consistencies

[lusty grotto]

honestly wish they would buff colossus instead tbh

[plush tendon]

If I were Blizzard, Id buff Guardian by 20% across the board

[urban bane]

if the damage is high enough it will be nerfed

for example

[plush tendon]

just to see the community fall into chaos

[cerulean tusk]

If we talking raid, I will agree

M+? Nah, ppl be doing 10-50% more DPS and it is fine, that is what it is

[plush tendon]

well, M+ is a mini game

and raid is a side quest

[daring narwhal]

They need to add a m+ multiplier, like pvp if they want to balance well. Too many times things get nerfed because of either raid or m+

[cerulean tusk]

The minigame the majority plays

[plush tendon]

the true endgame of wow is, and has always been, TMOG

[tribal wharf]

this is what i would want a SB texture to look like

[cerulean tusk]

what

[plush tendon]

I dont even know if thats true

[harsh trellis]

TMOG actually gets very heated in lower level things

[lusty grotto]

i wasnt ready for a yogi shitpost

[tribal wharf]

stop and read what i said and examine image before what lol

didnt even look

[cerulean tusk]

what

[urban bane]

the majority of the nerfs to colossus in s2 were to revenge aoe and etc were they not?

[tribal wharf]

not a shit post this is yogi paint

god, you guys dont even understand me

[cerulean tusk]

it is litteraly brown and got a huge brown turn in it, with soem piss coming out from it

[lusty grotto]

dont worry i agree with you, but positionals are severely outdated in 2025, no idea why blizzard keeps the whole "face target to parry/dodge/block" shit, its a relic of the past

[tribal wharf]

right, but read what i said and put the 2 together

[plush tendon]

well it makes sense!

[cerulean tusk]

what, you guys strugging with facing the enemy?

[lusty grotto]

but yeah the graphic being more clear for it would help newbies

[plush tendon]

unless you have a shield on your back

[harsh trellis]

Well

[plush tendon]

also good motivation to not run away

like a scardy cat

[tribal wharf]

well, the shield doesnt work on back,

[lusty grotto]

you know i fucking hate immersion

[harsh trellis]

you go out of combat to block shit on your back

[lusty grotto]

gameplay > immersion, any day

[harsh trellis]

since the shield gets put back there

[cerulean tusk]

The only guys that complain about being hit in the back, are shitters

skill issue

[tribal wharf]

which shield on back should work for hits to back at like a 30% effectiveness and chance to occur

[plush tendon]

I think its fine gameplay

dont let the bad guys get behind you

[lusty grotto]

its outdated

[cerulean tusk]

the heck you on about rat

[urban bane]

xD

[tribal wharf]

so it would still be just as bad as ever getting hit in back, just tiny less better on that end

[lusty grotto]

positionals are a relic of the past

thats what im on about

[plush tendon]

thats a debatable topic

[shrewd plinth]

When the colossus to thane swap happened I felt like I was trading innate survivability for damage

[plush tendon]

lets ask Chatgpt

[lusty grotto]

this aint a soulsborne game

[shrewd plinth]

Now thanes just better at both or did I have the wrong view before?

[urban bane]

who said it is?

[tribal wharf]

the image, is simple, if you have shield block up, it puts that texture in front of you, and then you and others can see shield block is infact activated

[urban bane]

and arent soulsborne games far from relics of the past?

[cerulean tusk]

How AFK do you want tanks to be, if they dont even care about what way they are facing? '-'

[lusty grotto]

yes yogi, it should be made clearer for newbies, youre right

[lusty grotto]

they already do, we're the only ones that get severely punished by it

[tribal wharf]

covers the area and angles shield can block and deactivates the texture once sb fades

[urban bane]

????

[cerulean tusk]

What you on about

[urban bane]

Blood DK with DRW? Prot paladin?

[lusty grotto]

what about prot paladin

[cerulean tusk]

I guess Nim played guardian once

[lusty grotto]

its armor

[cerulean tusk]

and got mindblown

[lusty grotto]

guardian

is armor

[lusty grotto]

that works 360 degrees

[urban bane]

They still block things nim

[shrewd plinth]

Our primary mitigation is shield block, then ignore pain. If you don’t shield block by turning sideways… well

[plush tendon]

Chatgpt actually came through

[cerulean tusk]

Also parry/dodge is a thing

[lusty grotto]

the active mit for any of those works in 360 degrees

[cerulean tusk]

Nim, what ya on about

[lusty grotto]

ironfur, sotr

[tribal wharf]

"tank you died you didnt block the fuckin tank buster" "what no i didnt, i had sb up, i was tracking the debuff" - before
"takn you died, i saw the shield block was pointed in the wrong direction and you got hit in back and then when you turned around he smashed you with his ability" - after

[urban bane]

No, prot paladin still blocks things

[lusty grotto]

yes, but its rng based

[urban bane]

they have to do their weird rotation to get 100% block

[lusty grotto]

i think you guys are misunderstanding

im not saying they shouldn't

[plush tendon]

they have block+parry

[cerulean tusk]

Oh fuck me, not another round of "who gets punished the most"?

please

[plush tendon]

Prot Paladin is weird like that

[cerulean tusk]

not again

[lusty grotto]

im saying, active mits are already 360 degrees EXCEPT for ours

[smoky pollen]

I think Nim wants block to no longer requiring front facing

[urban bane]

But they aren't xD

[lusty grotto]

but they are

[urban bane]

YOu're saying that, we're saying examples of how they aren't

And you're just insisting they are

[lusty grotto]

i mentioned 2 active mits

what have you mentioned?

[cerulean tusk]

Nim is trolling atm, me thinks

[lusty grotto]

"block"

[harsh trellis]

for real. I never knew this. No troll...

[lusty grotto]

"parry"

[cerulean tusk]

I believe in the rat

[tribal wharf]

and i think paladins and shamans any spec that wears shield should have improved shield stuff, so they also understand how it works on prot paladin / warrior

[lusty grotto]

do you know what active mit means?

[cerulean tusk]

Ya know what shieldwall means?

360

[lusty grotto]

sotr, ironfur

[cerulean tusk]

spooOOoooOOooky

[tribal wharf]

its never over powered but its enough that a good block would save your hpal

[cerulean tusk]

Ignore Pain, 360

SpOooooOOoooOOoky

[urban bane]

No could you explain it to me Nim?

Im sure you will even if I dont want you to

Because this is your typical MO when you get ragey

[lusty grotto]

i mean do you want me to?

[cerulean tusk]

You on a troll roll, so why not

[lusty grotto]

im not trolling

[plush tendon]

I think AI already answered this question

[cerulean tusk]

ya trolling, I refuse anything else to be real

[smoky pollen]

Im just confused what the downside of blocking from the back would be, our positioning would matter less?

No one is playing World of Warcraft for immersion.

[plush tendon]

yea, if you believe that positional awareness is a skill in wow

it would promote sloppy play

[cerulean tusk]

It makes movement and positioning matter less, and that makes gameplay so much more boring. Staggerstep and so on, are fun little elements of mastery

[lusty grotto]

thats just cope

[plush tendon]

I mean, its true

[smoky pollen]

Yeah and Blizzard has HISTORICALLY catered to casual play and making the game easier for players to pickup

[urban bane]

IDC about the positional thing, this is the claim that's just wrong

[lusty grotto]

yes its true its cope

[cerulean tusk]

Nim, how braindead do you want tanks to be?

[plush tendon]

I mean, all tanks get punished for tanking unmitagated melees from behind

BDK not being able to parry

[urban bane]

Saying that "death strike" is the active mitigation and you get can be hit in the back all you want and it doesnt matter because death strike is there for you

[lusty grotto]

i think all of you are missing the point except for Issa

[urban bane]

Is braindead

"everyone who disagrees with me misses the point"

[lusty grotto]

the point is AM, not the whole fucking tank

[kind urchin]

Nim's correct. Active mitigation according what was classified as AM for checks was Ironfur, Iron skin brew(now shuffle), blood shield, shield block, demon spikes and shield of the righteous. Shield block is the only one with a directional requirement.

[plush tendon]

though you do need the mob in front of you to hit the death strike

[smoky pollen]

I am personally indifferent. Im still going to keep packs in front of me, but Blizzard making the game easier is literally there #1 priority

[cerulean tusk]

For casual play, you can take the slaps in the back

that isnt even an argument

The game should have levels of mastery through gameplay, and this - is so small and intuitive

like who doesnt face their enemy?

[smoky pollen]

But when I do play Guardian(to atleast 2k every season since df s2) I have NEVER worried about positioning as much as I do on prot warrior.

[urban bane]

yo truuee

[cerulean tusk]

You dont have to worry as 2k warrior either

Holey trolls batman

[smoky pollen]

Did I say 2k warrior?

[urban bane]

Guardian doesnt really have to worry about it, so what. Most other tanks do.

[kind urchin]

It's always a bad idea to turn your back on any tank (except certain situations for brewmaster) anyways.

[cerulean tusk]

Even guardian want to face the main portion of the blows

[plush tendon]

I think Guardian is the only one?

IDK enough about Guardian mitagation to tell you

[cerulean tusk]

dodge/parry is a thing, and adds up

[lusty grotto]

yes we know

[plush tendon]

at least for Prot Pal/War DK and VDH having mobs behind you is a strict no no

youll get blown up in any relevent content

[cerulean tusk]

In low content, it doesnt matter either way - and where it matter, every tank will face the enemy either way

[smoky pollen]

Brewmaster also largely doesn't care - and Demon Hunter is a little out of my reach to speak a ton on it but Demon Spikes is armor so your ACTIVE mit still reduces damage from behind

[cerulean tusk]

I dont get this "discussion"

[kind urchin]

Brewmaster cares... a lot

[lusty grotto]

#protection message read this

Guarok put it in a better way than i guess i did

[cerulean tusk]

No way man said bloodhsield

[urban bane]

Active mitigation is irrelevant for this discussion because the other stuff matters just as much. Whae geez a shite

[lusty grotto]

youre nit picking

[kind urchin]

But, brewmaster also will turn their back on purpose to get a large stagger to purify and celestial in prep for a large hit.

[lusty grotto]

it matters because i was strictly referring to active mit

[smoky pollen]

This conversation literally is about active mit

[lusty grotto]

its my whole point

[cerulean tusk]

We got 360 active mit through IP, I fail to see the issue here.

[lusty grotto]

IP isnt active mit

[urban bane]

Not orginally what you said but w/e

xD

What is it then

[lusty grotto]

"self sustain"

[cerulean tusk]

oh fuck off

[lusty grotto]

quote unquote

[urban bane]

[lusty grotto]

thats just blizzard's philosophy

[urban bane]

good lord

[lusty grotto]

IP never met "AM checks"

when they existed

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, I am out, Nim troll too strong

[lusty grotto]

only SB did

this aint a troll stop ad hoc'ing

[urban bane]

Yeah let's refer to

[cerulean tusk]

Happy troll run tho Nim, it was a 10/10 one

[urban bane]

Mists of Pandaria

[plush tendon]

I honestly dont even consider things like Shield Block and SoTR to be active mitigation anymore... they are basically just buffs we maintain 100% uptime now

[urban bane]

to determine what is or is not active mitigation exclusively

[plush tendon]

same with demon spikes

like, theres nothing active about it

keep buff up

[lusty grotto]

thats a tangent

[smoky pollen]

um

[plush tendon]

if it were old SB where you could only block a hit

that would be active mitigation

[smoky pollen]

"keep buff up" is something that you have to actively do

[plush tendon]

since you have to decide what to block

[kind urchin]

There were am checks more recent than MoP.

[nocturne spindle]

But all active mitigations are just keep buff up

[lusty grotto]

legion had AM checks

but yeah anyway that's just beside the point

[urban bane]

Warlords of Draenor, Legion, sure it is besides the point

[plush tendon]

Like Death Strike is active mitigation to me; you have to decide when to use it

[smoky pollen]

You define active mit in a very different way than me, but Im willing to respect our different opinions.

[plush tendon]

I dont think you could fuck up SB other then not pressing it

[kind urchin]

To be fair, I never understood why blood shield was the AM check mitigation for blood. I thought that was stupid.

[plush tendon]

it was recently used death strike

the buff still exists in game

XD

[urban bane]

There are things which look and behave exactly like the things blizzard coded as an active mitigation check. But blizzard only made one ability for those. So it is disingenous to use that as a litmus test

[lusty grotto]

id like to see people live through the starting pulls this season with just IP, i bet it would work real well

[cerulean tusk]

What key level?

[lusty grotto]

what does it matter

[cerulean tusk]

12? ... 2hand Pwarrior has been done

[smoky pollen]

Did you do it?

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, it was the worst season for it so far, but it is doable

[smoky pollen]

Based

[cerulean tusk]

Give back 2hand Legendary

[urban bane]

I'm not saying that IP is equal to shield block. Never claimed that. It just behaves mechanically like shield block in as much as you spend resource to gain a buff which makes you take less damage

[plush tendon]

NO

[urban bane]

Active mitigation

[plush tendon]

please no god

[solid sun]

Oh are we arguing

Tag me in

[cerulean tusk]

Nim saying we should make block 360 cowarage, cause - it makes it unnecessary harder for the poor ppl with brain damage

[lusty grotto]

i said it was outdated

[smoky pollen]

aka me

[tall gorge]

@solid sun get them big guy

[lusty grotto]

as part of our AM toolkit

and in direct comparison to other tanks, we're the only one with directional requirements for specifically shield block

[cerulean tusk]

If you ignore the elements that are for others only, ofc

:Hydrate.

[lusty grotto]

which is equivalent (if you feel like throwing 'active mit' out the window) to: demon spikes, ironfur, sotr, etc

[solid sun]

At the very least shield wall should be 360 degrees of blockage. The animation is shields circling you

[smoky pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-gif-10054675685696503316

[cerulean tusk]

Shieldwall is 360 =_=

[plush tendon]

hey, at least we dont have to stand in Consecrate

also, Id counter saying out of all those abilties, SB is by far the strongest

[solid sun]

Shield wall should be the DR portion plus 360 block

[plush tendon]

Shield Block> Demon Spikes, Ironfur, SoTR, I guess boneshied?

[urban bane]

boneshield xd

[plush tendon]

like Shield Block is insanely strong

[lusty grotto]

bingo, which is probably Blizzard's justification for leaving the positional requirement

[cerulean tusk]

Shieldwall should make close to immobile and only usable when used with 10+warriors activating the ability

[plush tendon]

so strong that Prot Paladins actively tries to mimic a fraction of our power

[plush tendon]

well, other tanks rely on things like parry or dodge

[kind urchin]

I don't mind having a directional requirement. I actually prefer it. I think it would be better if all of them had a directional requirement.

[plush tendon]

which are positional as well

to compensate

[lusty grotto]

i can agree with that last statement

[urban bane]

but looking at the AM in isolation just seems reductive

Because effectively

[plush tendon]

like Prot War with just SB is pretty damn strong

[urban bane]

Tanks want to do that

Bear maybe is less punished

[plush tendon]

I cant say the same about SoTR

thing does jack shit

[lusty grotto]

well its an opinion so looking at things in a vacuum is fine

[solid sun]

Iron fur should be iron mane and only work when the bear is facing the targets for sure. Like a triceratops

[lusty grotto]

im not trying to get meaningful change out of whatever im saying here

[plush tendon]

it would be interesting in PVP

if armor was positional

would make getting behind the target do so much more damage

and would bosses function the same?

[cerulean tusk]

That sounds aweful, also you already want to get behind your target in 99% cases

[plush tendon]

thats just to avoid getting parried

[cerulean tusk]

Avoid casts, strikes, whatever

[plush tendon]

idk the armor value of bosses

[frosty mango]

Bring back armor pen

[cerulean tusk]

Dont tell me you want to give bosses more armor value from the front

O_O

[smoky pollen]

Bring back hit% to gear im trolling

[undone beacon]

Kinda pointless to wear armor conceptually if it doesn’t work on your ass

[cerulean tusk]

What is this, bad take city?

[urban bane]

hahahaha

[frosty mango]

Historically no one is trying to stab your ass

[plush tendon]

well, if armor was positional, they would have 0 armor if hit from behind

[undone beacon]

Speak for yourself

[urban bane]

never been to a leather club and it shows

🏳️‍🌈

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-joey-friends-show-tv-gif-27338773

[solid sun]

If iron fur worked like a triceratops then they could have Incarn work like an ankylosaurus and have 360 armor plus a big club tail

[smoky pollen]

this is badass

[solid sun]

I really think Dino Druid is cooking up nicely

[undone beacon]

I’m a bear not a dinosaur stop that

[lusty grotto]

but why not both

bearasaurus

[urban bane]

ok thatd own

[undone beacon]

Mooseasaurus

[cerulean tusk]

And we would have a 30% dam loss just for being physical DPS ._. fun fun fun

While every boss encounter is basically "everyone stack infront of the boss!"

No thank you