protection

[jagged pier]

actually reach out

make sure your high up on poach io

[sharp gale]

I only searched mythic guilds on these, so I wouldn’t know

[mortal cypress]

Poach io?

[jagged pier]

the same way just search for hc guild only

[jagged pier]

https://wowpoacher.io

[sharp gale]

It is unusual for heroic ones to be on wowprogress, but I think there are some

But you can tag in guilds who are not open for recruitment, just check them on raider.io / wow progress, then find somehow a contact

[jagged gust]

Anyone have any experience with how beneficial developing a b team for casual aotc clears worked out? I'm hoping to farm them for a prog comp but I feel like the casual team would view it as a betrayal taking their top performers

[mortal cypress]

I just need people skilled enough to clear hc who still optimise their chars but I vibe with

[jagged pier]

casual teams never work

[sharp gale]

It is hard to maintain the casual team going, since the officers are mostly team A, they let it rot, ppl stop playing after 2 months since casuals play very seasonally, and the team disband

• more time good players join team A, more painful the heroic clears will be

[solid sun]

I run an aotc group that raids one night a week

Seasonally

[jagged pier]

im just saying when my guild had a 'b' team we didnt want anyone from that team

at all

[jagged gust]

Yeah I have one officer willing to RL the 2nd team, and most of the officers are running in the 2nd team on alts, but imo that's gonna lead to burnout of the core, now they're trying to take on main prog, alt RLing, on top of rbgs and vault filling

[solid sun]

It’s a smaller group and it isn’t without issues but it’s worked for us for a while now

A second team would def be harder than just a casual group

[sharp gale]

I think letting the team grow on its own is better like Jakey says

And strictly not recruiting from it

[jagged gust]

Complete seperation? I can dig that

Tbf they're on the casual team because they're basically perma benched anyways

[sharp gale]

Bc it really delve into the less humans team vibe if you take only good players from them

[solid sun]

I’ve seen a lot of situations where people on alts get loot over people in the raid playing their mains and they get big mad about it

[jagged gust]

Oh yeah, I've already set rules in that regard

[sharp gale]

I squat the discord of a more casual guild with 2 raid teams, it is exactly that, team A rats on team B reclears

[jagged gust]

Yeah this resonates with me

[sharp gale]

I meant lesser humans, I don’t know if you got it

Bc bragging about team B bad, feeling of being trash from them, is what kills it

And team B praying on team A downfall

I think Jakey perfectly nailed it, just be 2 guids almost, on the same discord basically

[jagged gust]

Hmm, we've done well to avoid clique cliches thus far, but it seems the overwhelming opinion is farming teams is demotivational and prone to creating inner guild rifts

[sharp gale]

bc it is fun to have a lot of ppl, I like it

you can’t avoid cliques, in any guilds, it is management issues most of the time, it is a second work to run a wow guild

You can’t expect 25 ppl being in the same discord channel just to vibe, or expect 25 ppl to be BFF to everyone

Most IRL friend group is 5-6 ppl

[mortal cypress]

See we never had any loot drama, we cleared aotc about midway through the tier, did a few mythic bosses, and good vibes. Problem is we had some real hardcore players that never logged off (and probably were the reason we killed some bosses) and casual players that basically just did raids and the odd m+. So people went their separate ways for s3.

There was no a or b team

[frosty mango]

This is where leadership is important - and a big difference between guild leadership and raid leadership

Skill disparity across raiders will always fester into discourse unless it’s handled

You have to know what you want and be honest about

If you’re an AOTC/casual mythic guild that just wants to vibe then be honest about it, don’t let a few folks with lofty goals try to drag everyone else to a place they don’t want to go. But also accept that your guild will be used as a revolving door for returning higher level mythic raiders and try to mitigate that

[warm plinth]

Oh shit they made the fish sticks not a totem! That's huge!

[mortal cypress]

Wasn't really elitists dragging us along and we were too small to be a revolving door. But we stopped doing mythic as we got hardstuck, heroic can do with eyes closed etc, so all we were doing was hanging out on discord and doing m+ and other games

[frosty mango]

Yeah I ran it twice yesterday it was insane how big of a diff it made

[mortal cypress]

What's fish sticks

[frosty mango]

The totem things they spawn

[lone wyvern]

Was thane just sleeper strong this season and we didnt realize? I was looking through recent logs and found some warrior timed most 20s so far and hard 19s as thane with no cheat

high damage parses too

[frosty mango]

Thane wasn’t very far behind and remained viable all season but colossus was generally ahead

The thane parses are reliant on huge target count and that’s what you see in those parses

Colossus also nets shockwave knock up which was really good this season

[lone wyvern]

Yeah i figured as much but i saw high parses even in TOP

and rookery

[warm plinth]

The "totem" the mobs at the start of gambit spawn that heals mobs

Sorry shit service at work

[mortal cypress]

Ah I don't remember much about that place

[frosty mango]

Making it not a totem means it can be aoed

Which enables much bigger pulls

[mortal cypress]

Makes sense!

[urban portal]

It still needs to die instantly though

[solid sun]

Easily done

[frosty mango]

Ptr frost dk: “what fish stick?”

[proven stratus]

PTR FDK:

HOWLING BLAST GO BRRRRRR

[solid sun]

I need more m+ friends

Two of the five characters listed as my most common companions belong to the same person

[frosty mango]

Hey me too!

[solid sun]

lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's much easier to deal with when cleavable though

[small quail]

Me three @solid sun

[jagged gust]

This guide is heresy

[rigid hull]

Whats better in prepatch

thane or colossus

[mighty valley]

thane damage is higher

[rigid hull]

but its not in the current patch right?

[mighty valley]

oh, you mean right now? yeah colossus damage is still higher

[rigid hull]

nah asked both

[frosty mango]

That’s never how it works

Healers always get gear last

Every group I’ve ever been in healers were on life support lol

[pallid quiver]

that thing is whack, since there's ridiculously minimal differences in survival for anything that would sim the same for DSP and tanks

tanks also scale decently well with gear; better than healers do on average, at least, since they both get a non-zero, but not mega massive, increase to damage and a reduction in damage to be healed

that's like the raid groups that look at a shield and give it to a resto shaman over the prot war

[frosty mango]

It’s rare healing is the gate

This tier I was shocked gally hc was such a heal check

[solid sun]

Yeah generally speaking definitely more dps checks than healer checks

And on fights where the tank can die it isn’t a gear thing as much as it is a using your toolkit thing

Or satisfying the gimmick

[harsh musk]

we going mountain thane or colossus next patch?

[undone beacon]

I'm gonna start taking a shot everytime somebody asks that

[undone beacon]

Thane damage looks higher currently but everything is contingent on further tuning

[harsh musk]

ty 🙂

[frosty mango]

Thane currently the frontrunner

Colossus not looking bad

Both seemingly viable but thane will likely be the play if no additional tuning changes

[undone beacon]

Man this guy always has to show up and give a more detailed answer smh my damn head

[blazing shuttle]

My fellow, a stupid question.

I've been using the CRIT flask for M+'ing. However, I feel like the Chaos one would be better combined with hte Tempered.

[frosty mango]

Just trying to prevent you from taking too many shots

[harsh musk]

silly question though for thane does using the glyph of lightning for thunder clap actually reduce the amount of lightening from mountain thane?

[undone beacon]

Tempered Pot does the same thing regardless of the flask you use, it just gives you the rest of the stats you dont have up

[undone beacon]

Thanks dad

[frosty mango]

No problem be safe

[blazing shuttle]

Does it? I was pretty sure it gave all stats, even with the flask.

However; should I still run with the Crit flask?

[undone beacon]

"Inactive"

[blazing shuttle]

Yes, but I remembered with the Alchemical, it gave all.

I might be wrong.

[frosty mango]

At our stat levels realistically it won’t matter

[blazing shuttle]

Thanks, boss!

[frosty mango]

You can sim both and get a mathy answer but if you’re looking at details you’re not gonna notice a difference one way or the other

[frosty mango]

As long as you’re wearing one

[pallid quiver]

Ye, with the alch chao flask, you do get an extra bit of stats

Because it's not a tempered flask

[undone beacon]

No fucking way I've been lied to

[pallid quiver]

It's going to be a minor difference now

[blazing shuttle]

YOU WERE LIED TO!

[undone beacon]

I eat my words then

[pallid quiver]

since we have so many secondaries, but

[blazing shuttle]

Hey, at least now you know.

And I know about flask.

[undone beacon]

Learning something new every day

[pallid quiver]

i wasn't fast enough to save the man from using up their consumables qq

[blazing shuttle]

And you admit your mistake.

That is something one should respect.

[frosty mango]

Prot warrior channel so wholesome

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nubby-nubby's-number-factory-nubbys-number-factory-pet-nub-gif-10828535552509613360

[manic coral]

yo,where can i see that manaforge omega spreadsheet for reflectable abilities?

[blazing shuttle]

And for next season? I intend to make a batch of potions on one of my alts.

[frosty mango]

Not up yet

@shut summit are you planning on doing it (reflect spreadsheet) this tier? I know with block gone it may not be a high priority

Looks like he added some mana forge stuff to the one in the pins

[blazing shuttle]

MFW I was just reminded we gonna lose Spell Block.

The moment I pick a new tank is the moment he gets a fucking nerf.

[frosty mango]

Hasn’t felt too bad to me

[blazing shuttle]

And it is not VDH that got nerfed.

[frosty mango]

A few places I’ve felt it

[blazing shuttle]

[frosty mango]

But the changes largely made it ok

[blazing shuttle]

Thank you boss.

🖖

Uh.

Can't use my MGS salute here?

[mighty valley]

yeah i guess only generic and skyhold emotes allowed

[solid sun]

Wait we are losing spell block??

Heck

[sharp gale]

[solid sun]

I’m going to eat some ice cream

And try to figure out how many times I’m going to die because I’m an idiot but still work out a way to blame it on not having spell block

[frosty mango]

Ooh what kind

We have a local dairy farm and they got new flavors this week, I got coconut marzipan chocolate chip

It’s a new favorite

[solid sun]

Strawberry with some chocolate syrup on top

And exactly one sprinkle that my daughter said had to go on top

[fiery wren]

hey prot boys, how this spec gonna be in m+ next season?

[solid sun]

Fine

[fiery wren]

OP in raid?

[solid sun]

Doubt

If we’re too far in front of other tanks in damage they’ll just nerf us like they did last season

[sick sentinel]

just cast shield block shen youre under heavy magic damage ull b fine

its our best defensive

[solid sun]

Did you mean shield wall

Or perhaps spell reflect

[sick sentinel]

sure

[solid sun]

I agree. Using strong defensives during heavy magic damage is a good strategy

[sick sentinel]

well warrior already have 15 percent dr from def staance

[solid sun]

If coordinated enough you may be able to consider requesting an external as well

[lofty warren]

Mt most damage m+

With instant gate talent i believe

[solid sun]

We get gates next season?

Heck yeah see ya later, locks

They’re our gates now

[sick sentinel]

really prot warrior gets gates?

[solid sun]

Pepega wouldn’t lead us astray

They know the secret sauce

[lofty warren]

Instant gate talent was highest on the s3 sim the guy put

No aoe execute

[solid sun]

I think Pepega is paying for the sims locked behind the secret pay wall

[tight hinge]

instigate

[lofty warren]

#protection message see here

Ohh oops it's not instant gate it's instigate

[solid sun]

Is that no aoe execute though

Under the image Nome says highest in aoe is sudden death with no thunderlord

I would imagine that requires aoe execute

[lofty warren]

#protection message see here also mt confirmed best

[solid sun]

That’s old news

You gotta get with the new updated tier lists homie

[lofty warren]

Wait I reread it. Does that mean aoe execute mt with instigate best?

Link updated tier list i don't see them updated on ocyveins or wowh

[glad magnet]

how is thane looking for m+ in 11.2?

[blazing ridge]

Like, 5 messages above you can find the answer

[jagged gust]

Yeah he's saying the top two swap positions, the exe cleave is implied

[kind urchin]

16% In 11.2 it'll go up to 20% with talents.

[jagged gust]

Good info, but not many situations where you're gonna be dropping TL outside of like, parsing on a ST boss

[solid sun]

If I remember the context correctly it was figuring out what the m+ weekly vault key build would be

His first iteration didn't include TL and he was asked about it and then started figuring out if it was worth to take it

[jagged gust]

Ah makes sense, probably don't need last stand which makes justifying TL harder, yadda yadda

Glad it works out, I like TL, makes MT feel so comfy

[solar forum]

Sorry - what’s TL?

[solid sun]

Thunder Lord

Prot spec tree talent

[solar forum]

Ahh duh Ty

[solid sun]

No problem, mate! Better than answering how prot is looking for next season again or if MT is the play next season :)

[solar forum]

I got my lightning lord transmog all ready to go!

[solid sun]

Well show it off!

[solar forum]

Not sold on boots or gloves yet

[solid sun]

Definitely an interesting mog

I went with a more simplistic mog

[solar forum]

I wanted all the particle effects lol

[pliant sail]

I’m a huge fan of the legion warrior class hall armor.

[lofty warren]

Ohh interesting tier list usually bdk is at least 1 below vdh since s3 sl

[solid sun]

@frosty mango spent a long time on it and I wanted to make sure to review it up to the standard with which he originally tested everything.

You should find it particularly spot on if I do say so myself.

[lofty warren]

Also moon bear boring I would put them lower

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-okay-great-meme-just-perfect-gif-13268829466700541863

[lofty warren]

In terms of Playstyle i put vdh, pwar s tier, ppal a tier, brew c tier, bear bdk f tuer

[solar forum]

Very nice!

I always forget you can do shoulder transmog separately

[sick sentinel]

for tanking s3?

guess pal and monk are healers then

[neon elk]

Anybody did that darkfuss rep recently ?

[jagged gust]

loving the vibe but yeah the boots definitely gotta go, need a better view on the gloves

I'm a pirate

[solar forum]

How is there not a peg leg transmog yet?

[deft fulcrum]

I hardly ever tank on my warrior and just stick to DPS... but the Season 3 changes have me trying it currently. I feel like mountain thane plays really well and im keen for its new tier set in prot especially. But colossus feels kinda awful to play imo and rage generation can be really bad at times leading to bad ignore pain (which is the worst active mit in game imo)... Am i potentially doing something wrong or is this a room temp take?

[solid sun]

Ignore Pain is only used to dump rage

Our true mitigation we care about uptime on is shield block, not ignore pain

[warm plinth]

Yeah ip is not and never has been our active mitigation

[solid sun]

So your assessment of the rage between the two hero talents is more or less accurate, but typically when playing colossus if you press ignore pain too much you're gonna have a bad time

[deft fulcrum]

right, perhaps i am putting too much emphasis on it.. i am trying not to overcap it but also not let it drop which is a bloody hard balance sometimes. perhaps i am not maintaining perfect uptime on shield block but i will definitely put more of a focus on that

[solid sun]

I mean, it's probably true regardless of the two hero talents but you're going to feel it a lot more as colossus

We don't care about IP uptime at all. There are specific moments where it can be needed to stack it in combination with other defensives, but otherwise you're just pressing it to avoid capping rage

And you gain more IP through brutal vitality

[jagged gust]

overcapping IP isn't an issue either, even at full pool it is offensively and defensively better to dump rage into IP instead of capping rage

Basically spending rage is what we really care about

[deft fulcrum]

roger that. anyone got a nice WA for flashing IP at 80 rage or so?

[runic granite]

ppal is too spammy, having SoR be such a short duration buff somehow feels exhausting

[jagged gust]

No one tell them about IP as MT

[solid sun]

We about to increase in APM by like 20 or 30 or whatever Jakey said

[jagged gust]

We were already peaking at well over 100apm inside of lust/cds in S1

[warm plinth]

You are. I literally haven't tracked IP since I started playing prot war in Legion.

You might double press it before a big hit if you're a bit short on cooldowns, but other than that, it's just to dump rage when Revenge isn't good enough (or in the case of Thane, to dump rage because you don't have time for Revenge)

[runic granite]

Thats fair i guess

SoR feels more like shield block though

[warm plinth]

yeah, that's how it feels to me as someone who has played both.

Except it does damage haha

[fallow nova]

While I've probably got more time logged on my paladin, there's just something about a chunky shield charge that pally simply can't replicate

[frosty mango]

+1 this. Ignore pain is not meant to have 100% uptime. You use it to dump rage or in some unique scenarios to help smooth damage (usually in high keys)

[frosty mango]

That’s because it is. Sor is meant to be pal active mitigation, just like ironfur on bear

If you stop pressing sor you’re gonna have a bad time lol

[solid sun]

Yeah but the original topic was spamminess

And we gonna be hitting a loooooooooooooooooot of IP this next season

[frosty mango]

Yes but that’s ok because it means damage

[solid sun]

Except for when we can send them sexecutes

[frosty mango]

Just use my handy dandy Roidburg approved macro

#showtooltip Revenge
/cast Ignore Pain

-# this is sarcasm

[solid sun]

Yeah I don't mind it

[runic granite]

yeah that was my point, its spammy-er than shield block

[frosty mango]

Yeah but it’s also your primary source of damage right?

[chilly brook]

We sharing mogs?

[jagged gust]

Those handles

I thought they were tassels on your chest in the first pic lol

I do love the blue leather tho

That goes haaaaard

[frosty mango]

Hey I did some raids with party shark

[chilly brook]

I ended up replacing those daggers but I still like them

[chilly brook]

When?

[frosty mango]

I dunno recently, this tier

I don’t remember on which char I just remember their discord name

And the raid lead being solid

Tenc?

Feel like that was the dude

[chilly brook]

Tenc guild lead but Yvairel is raid lead

Was it just a heroic?

[frosty mango]

Nah it was mythic

[chilly brook]

Hmmmmm

[frosty mango]

So my hunter or warrior or Druid

[chilly brook]

I mean I been raiding with them since last season

Wonder if it was just one of the alt runs where they do first couple mythic

After heroic

[frosty mango]

I remember the dudes name was tenc and that I thought they were effective at leading pugs which is to say they stood out enough I actually remembered them

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JdRtz1NGL4nC6qHF?fight=2&type=damage-done which of of these people was you

[chilly brook]

Ah yeah probably a post heroic alt night mythic then

None of them cuz I usually don’t do the alt runs 😛

[frosty mango]

sad, only one degree of separation now though

[chilly brook]

This was my toon for most of the tier, I’m playing the rogue for next though

[frosty mango]

i think its impossible to get decent healing parses

unless you underheal

I did 3m hps on mythic mugzee @ 60% overheal which is a fat 9

[solar forum]

Is this a warrior wearing plate?!

[chilly brook]

yeah healer parses are memes

[frosty mango]

sad

62.5% overheal

[chilly brook]

owned on my warrior this tier except I got assassinated on Lockenstock so my average got owned

[frosty mango]

all my myth parses for dps are always like low 80s because Im constantly mechanics person

im really not trying to wipe

this is my life

new guild solid though I got strong vibes for next tier

gonna be a roidburg tier for sure

[chilly brook]

[bleak breach]

Sprocket was my bad parse too

Only cleared it twice this season

[waxen quartz]

can anyone link a wa that jut simply says trying to reflect or otherwise when spell reflect aura is active?

[frosty mango]

I use RSA to do this I’m not sure there’s like a WA on wago

Should be easy enough to make

[waxen quartz]

RSA?

[frosty mango]

Raeli spell announcer but you should be able to make a wa to do it on combat log event for when you gain the buff

[waxen quartz]

yea basically just trigger a chat message when aura is detected right?

[frosty mango]

Yeah

[waxen quartz]

cool ty

[frosty mango]

Trigger would be player buff and action would be the chat message

[waxen quartz]

yea cool should be easy ty

everyone i found on wago has all this extra stuff i really dont need lol

[frosty mango]

Yeah I already use rsa for other things so that’s why I just used that

[waxen quartz]

🙏

[jagged gust]

Same, I managed to parse like 20% higher on my main that's 10ilvls lower through the sheer power of insane SD procs

[bleak breach]

I had a 99% the pull before we wiped on like 0.8% then just had a crap run with procs and timings of getting bonb

Then our reclear every pull was good except the kill pull, but such is life…

[azure crag]

Hello, new friends!
Recently picked up prot warrior to take a break from...whatever blizzard is trying to do with blood dk at the moment. and been having a lot of fun going sword and board.
Saw there were a lot of changes coming to it on the PTR, though, and wanted to know if anything is majorly changing about the spec to be aware of when the patch goes live?

[torn gulch]

not really no

both hero talents play more or less the same as they played this season

we will lose spell block which might influence how we survive in heavy magic damage encounters
but from what we've seen on the ptr we should be fine

[azure crag]

Nice! Good to know there's no big changes that'll require me relearning anything later

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[jagged gust]

Have you played MT before?

[azure crag]

Main tank?

[torn gulch]

mountain thane

[jagged gust]

mountain thane, the hero spec

[azure crag]

OH, mountain thane! I'm playing it now, in fact

[jagged gust]

oh then perfect

I haven't touched it this past season, looking forward to picking it up again

[frosty mango]

look at this guy spamming chat

reported

[warm plinth]

@chilly brook reported

[chilly brook]

🙁

I was trying to post a pepe holding an i ❤️ u sign

[lusty grotto]

[copper gale]

What's the difference really between ravager and whirling blade? I see Kira mostly running whirling blade not sure if he was being optimal or wanted an easy build

[warm plinth]

You have double the Ravager with Whirling Blade

[pallid quiver]

The trade off for whirling blade is that you can't control when it comes out

but unless they've nudged it, you get a shit ton more actual uptime and damage from ravager with it

[jagged gust]

60% more!

[azure crag]

Man, the rage bar fills up and empties out so quickly compared to runic power, it's hard to keep up lmao

[copper gale]

damn! okay. Will more uptime give me more rage then? Is is still "10 rage each time it deals damage"

[gloomy silo]

Sorry if this is a commonly asked question. How self-sustaining is Prot War next season? I know fueled by violence got nerfed, so I’m unsure how tanky Prot war is

[solid sun]

Prot warrior mitigates a lot of damage

[paper crypt]

I only did a few hours of testing but it feels really good and takes very little damage

I'm thinking it will be just below VDH

[solid sun]

No

[lusty grotto]

here we go again

[paper crypt]

[solid sun]

Roid is rock solid for information and would never lead us astray with his powerful brain

[lusty grotto]

whats going on Rhino

[solid sun]

We just holding it down over here

[lusty grotto]

i see i see

[solid sun]

Went to this place called House of Pies

[lusty grotto]

what did you get

[solid sun]

What about you?

French Blackbottom pie

[lusty grotto]

oh

ive never had that

on break on gally

as far as i go

[solid sun]

Trial week number 2?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[solid sun]

I hope the vibes are good

[lusty grotto]

kinda does feel that way so far

this race is gonna be interesting

with method remethoding

kinda bummed a bunch of shit just comes out at the same time

gaming wise

but at least the race has me excited

[frozen furnace]

Salutations fellow Valarjar,

I've been trying to find 11.2 theorycrafting, trinket breakdowns, and "what-should-I-craft-first" stuff and haven't had much luck. Can someone share their vast Protection Warrior intellect with me?

[solid sun]

Which games you jonesing for

[lusty grotto]

so

s3 comes out, ffxiv story patch comes out, bf6 beta

dune patch

[mighty valley]

It's basically the same every season - shield is the most important slot, craft it if you're not expecting to get a mythic raiding shield early

[solid sun]

Any info on what the dune patch will be?

[lusty grotto]

there was something else but i forget

[solid sun]

Grounded 2 early access just came out

If you’re a honey I shrunk the kids fan

And also a fan of 90s cartoons

Welll 80s probs

[frozen furnace]

Danke1

[mighty valley]

After that, weapon and/or non-tier embellishment slots

[solid sun]

Eventually the wowhead guide will be updated for the upcoming season

[frozen furnace]

Are there any cantrip shields to chase like the Gallywix one ?

[lusty grotto]

ill dm the link its nothing too big

or sweeping rather

[lusty grotto]

gally shield wasnt a chaseable item, ilvl beats it

unless if you had a myth gally kill i guess

[mighty valley]

yeah i don't think there is a special shield this time, but even so, unless you're expecting to be farming mythic raid within a couple weeks, late boss shields don't really factor into decision making

[frozen furnace]

I'm squarely in the AOTC + The First 3 or 4 Mythic Bosses and then M+ until it isn't fun anymore person, so I appreciate the advice!

Are the make-the-cloak-better boots chase for a purely Prot player?

[lusty grotto]

too early to say

wait until it hits

a lot can change, and numbers might tell a different story so sims are important

[frozen furnace]

Thanks for the insight!

[willow trail]

What

[lusty grotto]

late but still on time 🙂

i guess my saved dinars will buy me some shit that will last... 4 days

c:

[tranquil cargo]

How much should I be pressing execute?

[restive oak]

in single target prolly kinda alot?

[frosty mango]

in single target with sudden death, generally when it procs and then before you lose your proc and/or to keep juggernaut up

[tranquil cargo]

In mountain thane, I know fury mountain thane I never use it

[frosty mango]

when youre in execute range its generally a nonissue because youre pressing it constantly

[tranquil cargo]

Thank you 😁 👍

[frosty mango]

congrats homie

[frosty mango]

as thane you would press it as often as you need to keep juggernaut up and you would replace your rage expenditure on IP with execute

I believe the APL is Execute (to maintain juggernaut) -> Shield Slam -> Thunder Blast > Execute > Thunder Clap

but dont check me on that becuase im only like 85% sure, I haven't played much thane this season

[tranquil cargo]

Awesome!!! I appreciate it 😁

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

Big Grats!

[deep steppe]

Grats!

[lusty grotto]

just in time LOL

[chilly brook]

Congrats

It felt really weird getting CE like a month and a half before the new patch ngl

[lusty grotto]

LOL

also im a trial

[chilly brook]

I’m not even memeing

[lusty grotto]

i still dont have oab kill

[chilly brook]

Like the last couple of weeks have kinda felt bad cuz I’m rearing for the new season but still doing reclears

[lusty grotto]

we're killing it tomorrow supposedly

[chilly brook]

OAB a lot easier now

Boss dies super quick with damage now

[lusty grotto]

that we have

not that i didnt before but

it was way more casual

probably gonna wait until tomorrow for buys but tempted to snag that ring

i knew saving my dinars was the right choice (it wasnt)

my sweets

time for

[scenic beacon]

Chat, are we cooked?

[solid sun]

I cook pretty often

We have a lot of cooks here in the discord

[scenic beacon]

Big pasta guy

[waxen frigate]

Canned fish in this channel

[velvet knot]

I didn't realize how free the prot mage tower was

[fossil horizon]

why are they nerfing tank cloak? Was it good?

[waxen frigate]

one sec i'll ask my guy

[solid sun]

I have waited 8 minutes, what's taking your guy so long

[waxen frigate]

he just got back to me

he said it was to spite Rhino and Sataman from the protection warrior discord and ruin their wednesday/thursday

[solid sun]

ha, unfortunately I wasn't even planning on wearing the cloak!

[waxen frigate]

he also said he can't wait to go on his african safari and poach rhinos

which is kinda fucked up imo but im just the messenger

[solid sun]

Impossible

[fossil horizon]

So he is a poacher

[waxen frigate]

no what makes you think that?

[fossil horizon]

Which cloak do they wear

[waxen frigate]

i think he has one made from lion fur and also like 2 from cheetah fur

oh and a giraffe rug that one's neat

[fossil horizon]

Doesn’t sound bis unless they have dps proc

[restive fulcrum]

with current tuning, what's the consensus on thane vs colossus for raid?

[jagged pier]

Thane

[restive fulcrum]

how far ahead is it roughly?

[jagged pier]

ST pretty far
Aoe kinda the same but colossus it will be much harder to runt eh execute cleave spec cause less rage

So less fun

But that opjective i suppose

[restive fulcrum]

yeah alright, is it mostly tier set based on thane pulling ahead?

[jagged pier]

Pretty much

[restive fulcrum]

cool, cheers for that

[frosty mango]

Being able to run massacre in m+ spec without losing anything also adds a considerable amount of executes and thus dps

Over the course of a key

[terse flame]

Do we have any good examples of talent builds for S3 already?

[untold isle]

do you know when the guids for s3 will be coming?

[neon elk]

Probably next reset when new patch hits

[jagged pier]

On patch day as usual

[blazing shuttle]

Want something even easier? VDH Mage Tower.

You cannot fail.

[sharp merlin]

I remember Legion back in the old days, the DPS one tilted the shit out of me 😂 I think on the Havoc one I did it over 50 times, and then did the BDK / VDH one and one shot it

I remember doing the bear challenge just so I could look like.. the bear 😂

[jagged pier]

I did every challenge, the only hard ones were the healers one

[distant fog]

Hey all!
I would like to do underpin ?? and looking for a good talent + advise on curios and spec for brann (I could not find any useful article)
If someone has a good talent + whether brann should be heal or dps and what curios could be used that would be much appreciated 🙂

[west perch]

brann on dps, grenade launcher and bioprinter curios

talents idk, did it on bdk

[sharp merlin]

such an annoying fight, basically proved my point that blizz needs to turn down the mechanics a bit, it's a bit too much

Instead of making the game better, Blizz just ramps up on the on screen vomit

[crimson cypress]

Question... Why did wraps get nerfed by 7% for tanks?

[cerulean tusk]

Because

https://tenor.com/view/anime-smirk-anime-perverted-smirk-gif-25130192

[jagged pier]

Because fuck you

[boreal haven]

Hello Tankerinos. Are WE playing MT or Col in M+ ?

[jagged pier]

Thane if tuning stays

[boreal haven]

Thx. Is there a DMG Difference between ? A noticeable one!?

[jagged pier]

Mostly ST

[mellow bridge]

cloak was pretty strong after the last buff

guess blizz thought it was a bit too strong 🤷‍♂️

not a big deal

[serene yoke]

Myth Bloodoath Signet or HC Jastor Diamond, anyone? 😄

[mellow bridge]

sim

(probably myth ring)

[strong forum]

(myth ring by a long shot)

myth jastor is hardly worth it

so hc jastor is VERY not worth it

[sharp merlin]

ahahah

[cosmic fox]

I did it with Raptor curio and the haste after kill one (don't know the names) pick wrecking throw and you can almost one shot the shield. Dps Bran will do half of the work for you. Just focus on kicking the bombs to adds and dodge shit. I found out it's so much easier on tank because on dps you have to kick like 3-4 bombs to kill the adds...

[late vault]

you guys think ADN is gonna be a good choice for M+?
it does seem like if we hit 20% too often, that it wont do much overall - so i guess you would have to pair it with Battle-scarred, just so it doesnt trigger

[prime sphinx]

worst cheat death trinket so doubt

[mellow bridge]

the trinket doesnt procc on you hitting 20%, it proccs on you "dying" and then sets you to 20%

but ye design-wise it's probably the worst cheat trinket so far? at least since SL

[late vault]

it does sim for quite a lot on the beta sim, so i guess it will be doing quite of lot of dmg if we stay alive

[rough egret]

mom can we get cheat death? no we have cheat death at home... cheat death at home:

zugzug

(i know its not cheat death) but do we need one actually? 🙂 just play properly and you cant die

[spice iron]

Any recommendations on what to buy with my remaining 2 dinars to make the start of next season easier? Was thinking that myth track Bomb Suit could prove worthwhile, and maybe Eye of Kezan would be a boost for early prog bosses?

[lime urchin]

I got bomb suit because I have zug zug old man brain to make up for mistakes in beginning of da season

[cerulean tusk]

Looks like some decent choices to me, eye should also have some early prog value

[spice iron]

Does anyone know when we stop being able to purchase anything with the dinars?

[rough egret]

well, probably when the patch hits, but thats just my guess

[prime sphinx]

If u buy next season the items wont be upgradable

if the vendor even there

[maiden forge]

as soon as patch hits

the vendor is despawning

at least thats what blizz told us

[spice iron]

I'll buy both trinkets after the re-clear then, and see if I get any of them as a raw drop first

[frosty mango]

It doesn’t do any damage when I have it equipped so I dunno why it sims so high

I’ve had the best luck so far with brand + ritual forge

[late vault]

did you test in a dungeon? dummies dont proc it correctly

[frosty mango]

Though I’m not 100% sure ritual forge is the play

[frosty mango]

Yes it’s overall damage was just unimpressive

Like half of brand

[frigid spire]

Y'all thinking M.T or Colossus for season 3?

[frosty mango]

That was very early in the cycle though so it may have changed

[frosty mango]

If tuning stays as it is now likely thane

[late vault]

well i was doing some insanely big pulls in tash, so it did prog more often than it will in a key for sure, but it didnt seem bad at all

[torpid dome]

Do you guys follow any contwnt creators who make good prot warrior guides?

[hardy snow]

nah, wowhead/icyveins written guides are enough, can always clarfiy or ask something here

[torpid dome]

Yeah buy I commute by train an hour a day, always nice yo have somr video guides as well to catch up

[frosty mango]

For basic content tactyks makes decent video content

But they are generally geared towards basics and not like super duper sweaty play (which is good imo)

Quazii also does warrior content from time to time

[hardy snow]

did he learned the spec yet? I remember his class guides (tww s1 maybe, or earlier) and for prot and brew he was providing wrong info

[frosty mango]

I’ve never run into any issues but I also don’t really watch a lot of streamers

Imo the wowhead guides (and icy veins sometimes) are usually the best place for class basics and then class discords once you are ready to grow

[west turtle]

what page has the better guide writter for prot? IV or Wowhead?

[lusty grotto]

Both are fine

And managed by our admins

[west turtle]

I read somewhere that the guy that does the Prot Warr one in wowhead didn't really play the spec

on RLE

[warm plinth]

That was the old writer

[lusty grotto]

Lol @strong forum

[frosty mango]

If mwahi and nome had a battle to the death, who would win?

[warm plinth]

He was replaced in DF iirc

[warm plinth]

Nome, but only because he has no regard for his own life

[west turtle]

oh, makes sense then

[lusty grotto]

Poor nome

[warm plinth]

Nimchippy you playing season 3 my friend?

[lusty grotto]

Of course

Check it #protection message

[warm plinth]

You maining pwar?

[lusty grotto]

As always in keys

[warm plinth]

Oh shit nice job

[lusty grotto]

And whenever our tanks are missing in raid otherwise Arms

[warm plinth]

I got my war and a dps alt ready to go for next season. We should key more

[frosty mango]

Last time I saw @lusty grotto in a raid it was as dps, beneath me on the damage meter

[warm plinth]

Technically could play arms...I got a myth 2h this week

[lusty grotto]

Bro I got trolled so hard last night by SD

[warm plinth]

Managed to get myth 1h, shield, and 2h all in like a 2 month period. Fuckin wild

[strong forum]

unlucky 😦

[frosty mango]

Start learning fury arms not looking great

[lusty grotto]

Im starting to hate jugg management

[warm plinth]

I prefer fury anyway tbh

[frosty mango]

Technically you dont play the spec

[warm plinth]

Never cared for arms

[strong forum]

technically i dont even play wow!

[frosty mango]

Because you aren’t playing the game

[strong forum]

yea

[warm plinth]

Though I don't care for fury when they play odyn's fury (idk if they currently are)

[lusty grotto]

Opener on gally, ungodly SD procs... Quick wipe

[frosty mango]

Doesn’t play wow, still better than previous guide writer

What a gamer

[lusty grotto]

Gally kill, dogshit SD procs, try to game adds for Jugg stacks, get fucked by rng

[warm plinth]

To be fair, the old writer was fine. He just had some questionable suggestions now and then

[lusty grotto]

Insert meme of guy putting the stick on bicycle

[warm plinth]

Barbaric Training was his greatest sin

[lusty grotto]

I mean yeah, but llarold def started very very far apart from our recommendations

[warm plinth]

That's reallt what the major issue was yeah

[lusty grotto]

And then got closer to them as time passed

Ye

[warm plinth]

Start of season is when most people are really looking at guides and stuff and that's when it was most wrong

Oh well, in the words of a wise old baboon

[lusty grotto]

Don't think it was too bad in DF, but prev expansions... Oof

[warm plinth]

It doesn't matter, it's in the past

[round pendant]

"More enterprising players can also make up their own gameplay by simply putting the assistant on multiple keybinds to break up the monotony."

Is this tongue in cheek from archimtiros?

lmao

[warm plinth]

Actually I don't think he said that. He was mocking someone

[round pendant]

cause it's a really funny sentence

[warm plinth]

I actually asked if you could do that in the comments

[lusty grotto]

That's quality shit posting right there

[warm plinth]

Maybe I stopped reading too early

[strong forum]

"if you wanna play make believe just press random shit on your keyboard!"

[round pendant]

yeah

[prime plover]

Hey all, question, How do people deal with ripping threat after demolishing? It keeps happening and wonder if there is anything I can do since holding the cd sucks? Or just rip it and let the other tank taunt back

[round pendant]

but archi wrote it so I'm wondering if it's ironic

it has to be right

[warm plinth]

It's because one of the main complaints of the single button was that it was repetitive and caused strain

[lusty grotto]

Archi farming Ws

[lusty grotto]

We don't, thats the other guy's job

[warm plinth]

Ripping threat off your co-tank is at its core a co-tank problem

[lusty grotto]

How do we deal? Tell them to not suck

[round pendant]

Never give in to a bad co-tank's demand for you to do less dps

That's weakness

[lusty grotto]

Or just be the active tank on the opener.
Or just hold your damage and cry yourself to sleep cause you've been reduced to sandbagging for a baddy

[prime plover]

Yea I always tabk first

But when demolish crits

Ugh ok, ty

[kind urchin]

I told my co tank to get better.

[round pendant]

your demolish shouldn't rip threat even if you crit

unless your co tank is doing zdps

[solid sun]

@frosty mango I need a new tier list

Season 3 dungeons

[kind urchin]

To be fair though, I went through a lot of co tanks who gave up because they couldn't hold threat over me. Finally got one that listened and learned.

[lusty grotto]

Good shit

[frosty mango]

If your feeling generous - don’t demolish

If you’re feeling violent - tell them to press their buttons harder

[frosty mango]

I’ll get right on that

[lusty grotto]

Roid pls

[frosty mango]

It will be a very long list because halls of atonement will be so far down it may as well be buried

[lusty grotto]

I'm on my phone, keep up

[frosty mango]

Honestly fuck that dungeon

[round pendant]

s3 may be a just get 3k and quit as fast as possible

season for me

[kind urchin]

I didn't play shadowlands so this'll be a new and wonderful experience for me.

[frosty mango]

My giant manly thumbs aren’t as nimble as your frail girly ones

[lusty grotto]

Fuck

That one was good

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-laughing-reverse-reverse-card-reverse-uno-gif-3758578067338957449

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

In doing shrimp and chicken kabobs today

[frosty mango]

I ran hoa four times last night trying to come up with a route that felt both efficient and not miserable I’m not sure it exists

Having mobs with a stacking damage taken increased debuff and a non parryable stacking mortal strike in the same place is heinous

[solid sun]

Did you try going bear and pulling all the shards together

And pretend it was sl again

[lusty grotto]

Lol I only remember the very basic s1 glue-sniffer route

[frosty mango]

Impossible now because the mortal strikes stack and EVERYTHING has an unavoidable kickback

[lusty grotto]

Where the dumb ranged mobs just kept casting in Africa for 3 separate pulls

[frosty mango]

Also everything runs away

And the caster spam cast

[lusty grotto]

Hold my beer

[frosty mango]

Like if someone ass pulls an extra mortal strike mob you take 0 healing and just die

[lusty grotto]

[frosty mango]

If whoever designed that dungeon had a goal of stuffing the most annoying shit they could think of in one single dungeon they succeeded

[solid sun]

And you can’t turn damage off by leaping away because you’ll keep getting bolted I take it

[lusty grotto]

Blizzard ruining fun yet again

[frosty mango]

You can’t really even leap away because mob density is so tight

You could go back down the stairs but then you’d just get wicked bolted into dust while you take zero healing

[solid sun]

Any Los options

[frosty mango]

I had 87 kicks

Eighty fucking seven

That is ridiculous

[lusty grotto]

You can, alternatively leap away, down the cliff and reset MS

[solid sun]

Tactical ripcord death

[frosty mango]

It’s idiotic that it may be our only option in high keys

[lusty grotto]

💯

[frosty mango]

Any dungeon where one person has 80+ kicks is overtuned imo

[solid sun]

Cheat death trinket proc to reset ms in high keys?

[frosty mango]

I don’t think it would

[lusty grotto]

I don't know why I keep thinking dwarf removes MS

[frosty mango]

It doesn’t

[lusty grotto]

Yeah

I know

[frosty mango]

It’s just the fact that it’s additive

[lusty grotto]

But for some reason my brain is gaslighting me

[frosty mango]

And you take zero healing

Just makes routing very hard

[solid sun]

Ah you don’t think the cheat death would let the ms fall off?

I never really proc cheat deaths so idk how that interaction works

[lusty grotto]

Kitinglands redux

[solid sun]

I guess you don’t actually die

[frosty mango]

No because chest death doesn’t actually kill you it just sets your health to a percentage

So technically your health doesn’t actually go to zero

[solid sun]

Makes sense

[frosty mango]

That’s why with bsv sometimes it will proc and you’ll just be at 80% health because your health is set to the mitigated value before the hit, instead of taking the hit and then going to the threshold value of 30%

Unless I’m mistaken the chest death trinket works the same way

I just hate hoa. It was the worst dungeon before and it’s the worst dungeon now

CMV

[solid sun]

It was fine in SL

Unless you were super against pulling like some ridiculous amount of stuff at one time

It’s a shame it sounds like they changed it up and made it worse

[lone current]

plz no 🙅‍♂️

the SL kite "meta" was the worst thing in the world

[frosty mango]

It was hands down the worst sl dungeon

They had so many good choices why give us that

[solid sun]

Huh

[frosty mango]

That’s my opinion anyway

[solid sun]

I hated the gauntlet dungeon

And I’ve always hated necrotic wake

[lone current]

did you guys get stuck in DoS jail?

[frosty mango]

They coulda given us dos or plaguefall

[solid sun]

Both are bangers

[frosty mango]

Nec wake was awesome if you used the spears and orbs and stuff

Even sanguine was ok, but the gaunt was eh like you said

Still woulda been better than hoa

Hoa is currently bugged and the statues leave behind a non passable zone when they move

So even though the statue moves if you try to run over where it was previously you can’t

Which is hilarious watching people run into an invisible wall and die lol

[mighty valley]

Man I did not share the plaguefall hype, probably my least fave SL dungeon

Oh wait no

Spires of Ascension

[frosty mango]

I really liked it, it promoted good play

[warm plinth]

Where? They just made changes to mob density in the first boss room i believe. Like yesterday

[frosty mango]

They moved two packs that was it as far as I saw

[warm plinth]

Is the mortal strike a new thing? I don't remember there being a mortal strike

[frosty mango]

They removed a pack down on the right by the first shard, and they removed the dog pack on the left when you jump down after the second shard

I didn’t notice any other changes

If anything else did change it didn’t impact my route

[frosty mango]

I don’t think so?

[warm plinth]

What mob does the MS?

[frosty mango]

the gargoyles I think

Not sure, I’d need to look

[warm plinth]

Oh. That's probably why I don't remember there being an MS.

You just venthyr MCed them

[frosty mango]

Maybe it is?

I don’t see it on the npc skill list

I’ll look shortly

[warm plinth]

Ok it's the stoneborn reaver. But I don't think you ever pulled more than like...one of those? Maybe they added more.

[frosty mango]

When you come up from Halkias there’s two there

Is it new?

[warm plinth]

No that's where you fought it before but shouldn't be two

[frosty mango]

When I look at the old npc page it doesn’t list a mortal strike as one of their abilities

[warm plinth]

One reaver and one eviscerator is what was there before iirc

[frosty mango]

Not two in the same pack but there’s a patting one and one very close off to the left

[warm plinth]

No it doesnt and I dont think there was one

[frosty mango]

So in order to get an efficient pull you have to pull the guys that stack the debuff which is not ideal

Or you’re two packing it which also sucks

[warm plinth]

I know its the reaver because they mention the npc name in the notes where they nerfed the ms

Idk if still possible but you used to be able to pull mobs from the top down through the gates back in SL

Before killing Hlkias

Or you shrouded after boss

Most pugs I was in did the pack at the top and the patrol with the tiny things in it and nothing else there

It was always a pretty meh area though in terms of efficiency

[mighty valley]

trying to remember why I was afraid of the dog bleed but not the MS back in the day

maybe those reavers were just in pulls that got killed by venthyr dogs

[warm plinth]

Well if they did have the MS back then, you were only pulling one reaver in the entire dungeon so

And you couldn't pull bug with an eviscerator and reaver together because of the turn to stone thing and the uh...I cant rmemeber what the eviscerator did

Big

And the anklebiters stunning you randomly

[mighty valley]

Oh I just remembered the room before the last boss in Halls

Hated that

[warm plinth]

Oh you mean the uhdk/boomie pad room?

[dusky canopy]

Pretty sure there was some tech to snap the mini boss down to the 3rd boss right?

In HoA

[frosty mango]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/npc=167612/stoneborn-reaver#abilities;mode:m MS isnt even listed

def new because the spellid is not found

[warm plinth]

Yeah I didn't remember them doing anything but the turn to stone in SL

[frosty mango]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=1235766/mortal-strike

also disgusting :/

[warm plinth]

Dang we got them 7 digit spell IDs now

[frosty mango]

which key?

[jovial falcon]

echo

+18

execute on top

[frosty mango]

I've had similar results

[jovial falcon]

what tallent u run

i go like this

[frosty mango]

im not running 18s because I gotta pug and ptr pugs are scary lol. been running 15-16

[jovial falcon]

but its for dps u know kinda hard to tank

i have mw monk and that was good

[frosty mango]

same except swap BSV for ravager

[frosty mango]

loominthar doing work

conduit an interesting choice tho, I play MOH

[jovial falcon]

damn

[frosty mango]

the tier set is just dumb amounts of free healing

[frosty mango]

I'd swap to BSV at 18 honestly

because good chance you get gibbed by an unlucky arcane slash on trash

[jovial falcon]

yeah its kinda scary without bsv:(

[jovial falcon]

thats right

[jovial falcon]

its realy good healer for tank

some passive healing like gust of mist ancient teaching

[frosty mango]

I feel like arcane slash in there is hit or miss, sometimes its eh sometimes it just cranks you

[frosty mango]

you get get gust as MOH you just dont get sotbo which isnt a lot of healing

and MOH gets double crackling jade and harmonic surge which is both way more dps and healing

conduit is honestly way easier to play tho

[jovial falcon]

yeah its true

and moh got realy good dps too

[jagged gust]

Can't wait to start cranking out some insane raid numbers with double rage talents

[jagged pier]

Not having shield spec dumb not have whirling blades also very dumb

[solid sun]

I think the biggest “problem” I’m going to have with the new tree is I’m going to have so much fun taking certain talents I won’t want to swap off them

[frosty mango]

speak of the devil

[solid sun]

So eventually I’ll be at a key level where I need to make some sacrifices for stuff I don’t want to

[frosty mango]

my mans standin right next to me

[solid sun]

Like if the key level is such that it’s recommended I swap off the ravager passive talent in favor of bsv… no

Or I can’t cleave executes anymore? Real sad times

[frosty mango]

Would you drop shield spec for carry keys? I use it on ptr but I could see dropping it for low keys and picking up something else

[jagged pier]

I mean maybe but too me thats jist a talent u dont drop

Like if its a carry key why you u have bsv?

[frosty mango]

I wouldn’t

[jagged pier]

Well thats what the guy linked

U would drop that for ither whirling or shield spec for sure

[frosty mango]

prob something like this for carry

enduring is eh but

[jagged pier]

And u drop Enduring

And bloodsurge for TLs

And if u execute u arent running BB but SD

Then as u thane

[frosty mango]

i think for low keys though BB would be better

[jagged pier]

U dont really need instegate

If anything its better in higher keys because mobs live longer

[frosty mango]

higher level keys I do see BSV being needed and even hunker down as a play for most keys

some of that shit in priory is gross

ill be interested to see how hunker down plays out at the bleeding edge

[jagged pier]

Honestly it sounds good

But im not gunna lie its very likely u gunna proc bsv and the new cloak together every 6 mins

So u gunna waste half the procs

Of bsv

[frosty mango]

I expect they’ll change that

[jagged pier]

Nope

On threshold is 40% the other is things that would bring u too 30%

[solid sun]

Why is it that instigate is better against mobs that live longer?

[frosty mango]

Believe he was talking about bb

[jagged pier]

So its very likely most things that get u to 40% may have been that hit that would have taken you too 30% because the dr gets apploed to the hit

[frosty mango]

Yeah we were talking about this earlier

You think they won’t set up proc protection for when the cloak procs to prevent bsv from being spent?

[jagged pier]

Individual class changes

[frosty mango]

Ok fair

lol

[jagged pier]

U must be joking

Same for everyone

Take it or leave it

[solid sun]

You know vdh

It got nerfed

Does that count as a buff to the other tanks

[jagged gust]

Took them how many years to make BSV stop proccing at full hp?

[jagged pier]

brah it still does it

at least it does it correctly now at 100

[jagged gust]

Well, less so

They'll have it fixed for tww remix for sure

[jagged pier]

not like it does work correctly, but if u take a massive hit at 100% without anything if it would bring u to 30% u will proc it and your HP will barely move cause the DR is applied to that hit too

so it will look like proc at 100 and it did, but correctly now

[tribal wharf]

that comment lol

[warm plinth]

If i see one more build without shield spec i stg

[jagged pier]

[frosty mango]

floodgate going hard lol

[hushed cobalt]

The DR is applied to the whole hit? I thought it was like will of necropolis where it only applied to whatever damage after you hit 30%

[frosty mango]

the dr is applied to the hit that caused the proc

[hushed cobalt]

Oh dang thats nifty

[frosty mango]

so if you have 1 million health, you get hit for 700,000 - then the dr applies to that hit, and assuming no other DRs youd take 140000 and have 860000 health left with BSV procced

thats a really simplistic example but I believe thats how it works and why you can sometimes see it proc and your health never goes down

[strong forum]

it applies to the part of the hit that would be below 35%

it works like wotn so its kinda fucky

but it does not apply to the whole hit

its just sometimes fucky

where it procs and youre still high hp

[frosty mango]

Has it always been this way? Whenever I saw it proc in logs it always seemed like the proc applied to the hit that procced it as well but admittedly it has been ages since I’ve looked

Or maybe it just seems that way in conjunction with our DRs - mine is forever proccing at high health and when I look at logs my health doesn’t ever dip so I took that to mean it is also reducing the event that causes it retroactively

[proven stratus]

That mage has to be sandbagging

[frosty mango]

It’s ptr everyone is learning

I don’t judge anyone’s dps on ptr

Never know what kinda stuff they’re testing

[strong forum]

i threw myself at first pull streets for like 40min today

and it never kept me at full hp when i got 100-20'd

from the psionic strike

[frosty mango]

Interesting

I just took a natty electrocrush from big momma and procced it and never dropped

[strong forum]

mh

[frosty mango]

Wonder if there’s something janky about different spells

[strong forum]

its 1 thing for certain

fucky

same as wotn is

sometimes you think it works off of pre-mit

[frosty mango]

[strong forum]

sometimes it procs through shieldwall and you still stay full hp

but 1 thing is certain

cloak and bsv proc at the same time

[frosty mango]

Help us ion

[strong forum]

so you get that 30mil++ shield + bsv

[polar pelican]

microsoft firing the social media team and contracting everything out to an firm in india is such a travesty

man i cant wait to play prot OS in M+, have no idea what im doing in terms of pulls, and get flamed after we double chest the key

[lofty warren]

Vdh dead confirmed?

[tribal wharf]

blizzard, at one point, was capable of non modern disney quality

[vale escarp]

Maybe ask in DH discord, but its just 2% less parry from a Spell which doesnt have 100% uptime (as far as I know)

[frosty mango]

This would only matter if they pressed demon spikes with 90% of them don’t

[lofty warren]

Demon spikes is super mega pressed will need to wait for updated tier list analysis to see if there is a workaround talent or if there isn't then how much nerf this is

[inner arch]

What tank has highest dmg rn on ptr

Pwarr there?

Single target

[lofty warren]

Pwar is think yea something like 10% more than others but not sure if that was aoe or st

[lusty grotto]

i should have guessed that was yogi

its that time again where people ask questions to "prepare" for content that hasnt been released

[frosty mango]

War is ripping currently

[lusty grotto]

week 1 nerf inc

c:

[lament osprey]

We want hunker down? Or depending on key/boss?

[lusty grotto]

"why is a tank outdpsing me, WAHH!"

spellbreaker is a dead talent, nobody will ever take it

hope that answers your question

[lament osprey]

🫡

[tribal wharf]

#removespellbreaker

[lusty grotto]

right in the spell block, yogi

[tribal wharf]

its okay, we have ignore pain

we can still cope and seethe

[lusty grotto]

MADGE

[buoyant drift]

I have people in my guild whine about that. I tell them to hir their buttons better. 🙂

[lusty grotto]

refer them to the start of this season

and the s1

and s4 of DF

and s3 of DF

and so forth

but s2 is much more recent

[inner arch]

Any sick spell reflects in the new raid?

[lusty grotto]

check the sheet

its updated

so far

and always is

[solid sun]

I saw JB tweeting about tank dam

[mighty valley]

might take it for one dungeon just to make you wrong

[lusty grotto]

<@&257983573498265600>

we have a rascal spammer bot

[blazing dune]

ty

[lusty grotto]

damn that was fast

[lusty grotto]

our meme builds will always deliver 🙂

[solid sun]

He was mad at dps for always complaining about tank dam

[lusty grotto]

whatd he say i havent been paying attention

i know poddyc at least is PRO more tank dmg

aka max, dorky and dratnos

[solid sun]

He’s very much on the side of tanks cranking so (hopefully) more people will play tank

[lusty grotto]

jb farming Ws again

[solid sun]

He’s good at using his head

[lusty grotto]

jb has always had banger tweets

he has some very wild ideas sometimes but thats just jb being jb and thats about it

[strong forum]

Never

Spell reflect never works in raid on real or relevant mechanics

So yeh, treat it as on demand magic damage reduction and not reflect

Cuz you don't get to reflect shit

[round pendant]

thanks blizz

[lusty grotto]

again...

@blazing dune

thanks!

[blazing dune]

[solid sun]

Who doesn’t

Like I always push back on anti borrowed power takes these days and everyone hates me for it

[lusty grotto]

i hate you

[solid sun]

That’s okay I can handle it

[lusty grotto]

being anti anti-AF is just being a contrarian

[solid sun]

What’s AF

[lusty grotto]

AP

[solid sun]

We don’t have AP anymore

[lusty grotto]

AP = borrowed power

[solid sun]

When people complain these days about borrowed power

They site the circlet, the belt, and now the cloak

[lusty grotto]

oh

[solid sun]

Tbf idk anything about the cloak

[lusty grotto]

thats just a different type of borrowed power which is fine

[solid sun]

But the circlet and belt are nothing like artifacts of yesteryear

[lusty grotto]

i dont see the negatives of it, im just against infinite grinds

or any grinds in general

aint nobody got time for that shit anymore

and even if i did, i wouldnt want to game WoW 24/7

there's other shit to do

[solid sun]

Yeah I’m uninterested in crazy grinds

I raid one night a week and do keys one or two nights a week

That’s enough for me

[lusty grotto]

dont get me wrong, i completely understand 1 game andies but...

you can do 1 game and still have time to do other shit outside of gaming

[solid sun]

Like cook

Delicious meat

[lusty grotto]

like this fucking tempered lagiacrus currently kicking my ass

[mighty valley]

i think of "borrowed power" as any systems or whatever that're gonna go away at the end of the patch/expansion

which i think there have been good and bad versions of

but i think the goal is sound, avoiding eternal bloat

i am also not a fan of the AP style

"if you miss a day, you'

're falling behind" kinda grind

[solid sun]

Eventually everything just becomes borrowed power

DK’s lost slappy hands so it was borrowed power

[mighty valley]

i'm leasing my power from blizzard james

[solid sun]

Trinkets, tier sets, cantrip items