and it usually is but it feels strange not having 25 defensives
#protection
stiff gate
frosty mango
Like you can just purify immediately
I really don’t like brew gameplay but staying alive was never a struggle
stiff gate
yeah its very tanky, it just feels strange to not have an arsenal of defensives that are always up like warrior or pally do
frosty mango
Also feel like Druid is basically indestructible barring that one specific scenario where you’re eating massive magic busters that are closer than 45s
Which is only TOP AFAIK
stiff gate
how is druid in motherlode?
when i think "insane magic damage on the tank" im immediately thinking rixxa and last boss
frosty mango
I have no issues, rixxa hits hard but not hard enough to outpace frenzied
solid sun
One day I’ll be as powerful as Roid
Can say things like, “I have never once cared about Rixxa. I just know exactly what to press and survive everything”
But instead I produce a lot of gasps and grunts of worry as I sometimes live and sometimes die
frosty mango
Can say things like, “I have never once cared about Rixxa. I just know exactly w...
I def got smashed the first higher level ml I ran early in the season
lofty warren
All damage 8%
harsh trellis
Also isnt the 2nd line really a bigger nerf
plush tendon
it makes mastery worse, but I dont think VDH were stacking mastery anyways?
its kind of whatever
urban bane
yea im confused why the nerf, not like they care bout mastery
small steeple
17% is such a weird number
Funny thing is its actually 16.6%, it gets rounded to be shown as 17%
plush tendon
its just such a weird number
like, they thought about it
someone said '16.6% is the right number'
and we are like 'but why?'
why not just 10%? 15%? 20%??
on top of why target VDH mastery
mortal cypress
someone said '16.6% is the right number'
they wouldnt have picked the number, they would have used formulae to get the number
frosty mango
Their buff\nerf tuning levels are never as simple as that with the exceptions of aura nerfs
Or buffs
Because each stat effects every other stat any change has a lot of cascading impacts that I doubt any of us are smart enough to figure out, that’s why we have smart people making simcraft
plush tendon
imagine not choosing your stats based on vibes
small steeple
plus mastery is the weirdest stat in the game, it takes the mastery value, converts it into a mastery points, with a base of 8, than has a coefficent to give you the % you see
plush tendon
frosty mango
plus mastery is the weirdest stat in the game, it takes the mastery value, conve...
Which is dumb
small steeple
yeah
frosty mango
Because it makes it unintuitive
small steeple
very
frosty mango
Some classes have like 200% mastery what does that even mean
solid sun
I never pay attention to numerical buffs
Or nerfs for the most part
Because none of it ever means anything to me
What does mean something is if I’m ahead of the mages in my party or beneath them and if I’m alive or dead
undone beacon
I play a survival hunter as my primary dps option
solid sun
I love surv
When you beat people on the meters do you tell the other dps they got surved
undone beacon
It’s been my favorite dps spec since they made it melee in legion. The only tiers I didn’t play it (ironically enough) was S3/S4 of SL
S3/S4 SL MM Hunter was so much fun imo
I just wish current survival was better in keys but, should get a boost next season
small steeple
I play a survival hunter as my primary dps option
I like surv
undone beacon
It’s just a very fun and fluid spec
undone beacon
I feel like they did a good job with the flow of building and spending tip stacks, very rarely do I feel like I have to go out of my way or overcap focus to ensure I have tip
My biggest issue is that killshot is basically never worth building or hitting after the pack leader rework
Also explosive shot in ST feels bad but next tier we can just talent into extra pet damage for pure st
rough egret
you just swap your revenge and TC button based on spec its okay to play both 😄
small steeple
MT I believe is a notable amount ahead in st
dusky canopy
frosty mango
And drag roid with us
I have a plethora of characters with which to do keys
I’m honestly shocked I’ve not randomly run into people from here
I ran over 1000 keys and a shitload of raids and the only person I ever ran into was Nim
frosty mango
My biggest issue is that killshot is basically never worth building or hitting a...
Yes but fury of the eagle go brr
I made my butchery sound use the explosive shot boom made the spec much more fun
undone beacon
I ran over 1000 keys and a shitload of raids and the only person I ever ran into...
Our guild lead ran into nim in a key early in the season and I was like, “AYOOOO”
solid sun
I ran over 1000 keys and a shitload of raids and the only person I ever ran into...
Probably too high for me
undone beacon
Yes but fury of the eagle go brr
Fury of the Eagle my beloved
I miss DF S2 when we ran the no-CA turbo Fury of the Eagle build
So much goddamn fun
frosty mango
Probably too high for me
Nah I run tons of 10-12 keys because I like to play diff specs and roles
undone beacon
No CD build was sick as heck
Yeeee
When CA was a fucking buggy horrible mess of a cooldown
frosty mango
If you ever see a 3500 680 dude in your key doing absolute doodoo dps and dying all the time it’s probably me saying “how hard could it be”
Especially if it’s feral Druid or enhance sham
solid sun
To be entirely honest I don’t pug very often
frosty mango
Probably a good choice for the aforementioned reasons
solid sun
I get heavily demotivated by tank anxiety and end up mostly running keys with friends
The first time I’m mozying along in a key and some havoc DH complains about my route I just wanna hearth out
frosty mango
Just remember they are just a capable of tanking so if they complain let them
ebon scaffold
I have the pacemaker from Floodgate and can buy a dinar. It’s gonna be hero track, seeing I won’t get 12s or mythic raiding. What’s my best option for a secondary trinket to pair with pacemaker. Eye of Kezan, tome, mud?
frosty mango
If the key is high enough for it to matter you’ll be running a coordinated route, if the key is low enough that you’re running a w key route it doesn’t matter.
Let them complain
frosty mango
I have the pacemaker from Floodgate and can buy a dinar. It’s gonna be hero trac...
If you don’t wanna farm it this late in the season probs tome, otherwise bombsuit for next season
frosty mango
The first time I’m mozying along in a key and some havoc DH complains about my r...
I run w key routes all the time in 10-12 keys and when dps complain or spam ping I ask them nicely to chill
pallid quiver
Depending on your comfortability with pushing higher keys next season, it'd probably be bombsuit if uncomfortable so you don't die while getting to 10s ASAP. Otherwise, House of Cards is actually real good for overall content. It's not as good in ST as tome, though, so if your focus is raid
frosty mango
And if they continue to be turds if it’s their key I’ll just leave, if it’s not their key I’ll just ignore them and continue on
pallid quiver
You've basically got a choice between Bombsuit/Cards/Tome for real dinar choices off the top of my head
frosty mango
I know I’ll run bombsuit for early keys next season while healers get used to keys
pallid quiver
i don't even have a bombsuit, so i obviously won't
the rest of the party in early keys are the people who are always dying around me, anyway
if i had a trinket that gave an external, i'd use that
solid sun
Bombsuiting an ally would be neat
frosty mango
the rest of the party in early keys are the people who are always dying around m...
lol I have kaja cola on my warrior maybe I’ll use that
urban portal
someone said '16.6% is the right number'
1/6th probably
urban portal
16.67 rounds to 17
undone beacon
You can pour some cola on me
uwu
pallid quiver
Well, when in doubt...
pallid quiver
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
still probably barely touching raid, but I'm probably gonna do some M+ runs with Ghash and a few other friends through the season
We kinda only loosely have plans, so whenever we end up running
i really do wish i could clear M raid tho, that mount is really cool
solid sun
Are you just a busy beaver lately? Or is your typical raid group kinda not doing it anymore?
pallid quiver
i haven't been in a guild since MoP
So I'm mostly a heroic raid gamer due to Myth lockouts and all
frosty mango
~~i really do wish i could clear M raid tho, that mount is really cool~~
See what you do is, wait until the end of the season after prog, then tell your friends to bring you in for CE
pallid quiver
and i cba playing the game on a schedule, so I don't sign on with a guild or anything
frosty mango
It’s much easier to learn when you’re the only one learning
pallid quiver
the real strat is to rob a bank and just buy it smh
undone beacon
why buy ce when you can guilt your friends into a carry
pallid quiver
the closest to friends i know that raid myth are eu at best
solid sun
And universally recognized
pallid quiver
Other people I know who raid myth
haven't even gotten halfway through current raid on myth
Really, I should just pay for 20 accounts and just solo the raid with 1-button rotation
frosty mango
Really, I should just pay for 20 accounts and just solo the raid with 1-button r...
Big brain
harsh musk
as prot do we ever use slam and whirlwind?
ashen kestrel
probably should have mentioned its only a 671 hero tome too, doing some quick maths it would go from 113m -> around 129m with a 684 tome with the same amount of casts
ashen kestrel
as prot do we ever use slam and whirlwind?
nope
frosty mango
as prot do we ever use slam and whirlwind?
@warm plinth
undone beacon
There was a guy in the bear discord who was doing a key push challenge where each person could only use a 6 button bar, essentially the 1-button rotation and then 5 other spells. Wonder how he ended up
And that begs the question, if we could only do 1BR + 5 other spells, what spells we pickin?
chilly brook
Avatar, shield wall, demo shout, disrupting shout, interrupt, demolish
west perch
No shield block?
chilly brook
Nah we raw dog it
west perch
Hahaha
chilly brook
Tbf I have no idea what is casted by one button rotation and what isn’t lol
west perch
Only dmg buttons i guess? Never really checked
undone beacon
undone beacon
To be fair I dont have either talented rn
chilly brook
Or shield charge
wicked jungle
Think it might depend on what you have talented, because as DPS it definitely uses roar or ravager
undone beacon
Let me talent roar and ravager and see if it changes
wicked jungle
Let me talent roar and ravager and see if it changes
Ye that should be the reason
fallow nova
Remember guys, only SS if you're low on rage 😎
undone beacon
chilly brook
Also scalie gross
chilly brook
Exposed
harsh trellis
oh is ptr up again?
chilly brook
Furry and a scalie
undone beacon
gasp
I'm just a femboy okay not a furry i swear
So you do 1br + shield wall + avatar + interrupt + shockwave + shield block
yeah?
west perch
Maybe disrupting shout instead of shockwave?
mighty valley
in most dungeons i'd rather have shockwave
although man. if thane is significantly better next season, i'm gonna miss Cool Shockwave
ionic fern
I'm just a femboy okay not a furry i swear
Huh?
harsh trellis
ok so playing around with the new talent builds on the ptr
Spellbreaker seems dull
like not useful
chilly brook
Spellbreaker seems dull
well what gave you that idea?
harsh trellis
why even give us this garbage
undone beacon
she break on my spell til I hunker down
chilly brook
It's almost like for that talent to be worth a point it needs to give us consistent mitigation
like
I don't know
maybe blocking all spells at 20% effectiveness?
chilly brook
Not complicated if it's completely passive and always active
harsh musk
servers bugged?
jagged pier
which was when it works its too strong
yet they decide what it works on and doesnt
harsh musk
loading screens arent working :S
chilly brook
And can't be too strong because a block at 20% effectiveness is like 8.5% damage reduction and 17% on crit blocks
Like man
frosty mango
What they should do is give us a talent that lets us block spells for a short period of time at our current block effectiveness. They could call it “spell block”
jagged pier
i mean whats funny is
the Thane set change was literally what nome said it should have been
like a week before it got changed
lofty warren
Where did they give real reason? I thought they were sticking by "it requires too much niche knowledge"
chilly brook
genuinely it's really not hard to make spellbreaker into a good talent
lofty warren
Mt going to be the good to in m+ in s3? Looked at icyveins for s2 and so many extra gcds in rotation like spear and Ravager
chilly brook
oh boi
you press one extra CD
every minute
ravager is already a part of colossus
and techinically it would be the same amount of button presses as colo
because you lose demolish
and gain spear
lofty warren
But you press revenge
solemn cobalt
any 11.2 prot warrior ( thane build peferably ) build that utilizes Tough as Nails? and is it viable up to +15
jagged pier
i mean
u really dont have to press revenge at all as thane
u miss a few SS resets
but u only really feel it after a long time on ST
lofty warren
Don't you use revenge to make your shield slam go free
jagged pier
honestly I said to ppl in S1 if your learning the spec u dont need to press it, once u got a handle of shield block management and rage mangement then u add that on top
chilly brook
sure
jagged pier
one of the good sides of thane tbh
lofty warren
It increases dps to press it more i think?
undone beacon
my takeaway is take revenge off my bars, thanks team we stay winning
undone beacon
Nope its gone
jagged gust
The issue isn't that it costs rage, it's that it does less damage than everything else
undone beacon
in the pit with whirlwind and slam and rend
jagged gust
but it applies deep wounds in aoe
so like, you wanna use it to keep your bleeds rolling at the very least
undone beacon
but it applies deep wounds in aoe
just shield slam multidot ez
harsh trellis
The issue isn't that it costs rage, it's that it does less damage than everythin...
what?
undone beacon
better yet, use devastate to multidot like a man
harsh trellis
are we just trolling at this point?
jagged gust
tab targeting like it's 2007 
harsh trellis
I feel like this is some next level inside trolling
undone beacon
are we just trolling at this point?
At least 75% of what I do in this discord is shit around BUT revenge is def lower prio on thane
mighty valley
you press it when literally everything else is on cd and you have an open gcd
that's just coming up less and less
undone beacon
Thane does a lot more thunder clapping and shield slamming that eats most GCDs
Yeah exactly
You hit ignore pain a lot more to dump rage
because you generate so much of it
harsh trellis
Oh ok is thane going to be the go to this season then? Once I swapped colossus I havent looked at thane
mighty valley
we don't have detailed sims or anything but it's currently looking stronger
harsh trellis
Yeah but it makes you shorter
jagged gust
MT gets insane avatar uptime, you'll still be a giant bronze dwarf most of the time
undone beacon
Thane is looking very strong, but nothing final can be concluded until patch launch
who knows, maybe they'll drop more ptr tuning and give bear a 45% aura buff
easy game
jagged gust
An unbiased and nuanced take if I ever saw one
jagged gust
poor dhs
harsh trellis
I mean we should hold a telethon for them
solar crown
And nerf fury
harsh trellis
perfect
mighty valley
Applies bear's current block chance to magic damage
undone beacon
Bear block chance is giga
urban bane
execute cleave 
solar crown
Imagine bears with abom limb. That would be sick
mighty valley
bears get spell block, abom limb
the extra melee range from outlaw rogues
uhhhhhhhh what else have people complained about losing
gladiator stance. it's a 5th spec
undone beacon
To be fair bears are already halfway to a ranged tank considering you can get extra thrash range, moonfire spam, etc etc
Make lunar beam also be an aoe sustained silence like solar beam
Huge
cerulean tusk
Didnt bears lose extendoarms with ferals?
undone beacon
Yeah but we can still spam moonfire so easy game
Don’t even have to look at the mob to moonfire them
Running away? Moonfire
warm plinth
I lost extended range on outlaw and it makes me sad
undone beacon
Made me sad when they took it from survival too
warm plinth
Wanna cry together and eat ice cream while watching the notebook?
undone beacon
That’s literally all I’ve been doing since they took away Lunge
warm plinth
Ok brt
ebon scaffold
Do we have a soft cap on haste crit? when do we focus on mastery. Currently sitting at 33% crit and haste.
lusty grotto
when sims tell you to
but at 33% unbuffed, youre probably benefiting more from mastery at that point
run a sim and check
pallid reef
just came back to prep for season 3. Got KSH in S1. If I wanted to grind real quick for KSM for S2, what ilvl do you think it could be done at efficiently? im at 645 right now
warm plinth
645 is plenty
pallid reef
sweet, ty
coral canyon
At what haste breakpoint should I switch away from Heavy Repercussion?
ashen kestrel
At what haste breakpoint should I switch away from Heavy Repercussion?
ive got 26% baseline and that gets me to 36% with Fray - so idk maybe like 20 is enough?
frosty mango
I have 50% crit
Don’t let the haters keep you down
I will do 12 dps or I will do 12 million dps, there is no in between
I leave it to fate
ashen kestrel
I have 50% crit
VDH levels 🔥
frosty mango
I forget the actual number but at the end of the run all my abilities have like 47-53 crit
ashen kestrel
I forget the actual number but at the end of the run all my abilities have like ...
im curious what your other stats look like with 50% crit lol
i think i have like 21 and flask takes it to 26 when its buffing crit
frosty mango
I have something like 24-26k crit and 20k haste on char screen with flask
I have like no vers
And like 4k mastery
ashen kestrel
i should probably recraft some of my shit that still has vers from last season and put crit on it instead tbh
im just lazy
frosty mango
It really doesn’t matter
If I simmed myself I’m almost sure vers/mast would prob pull ahead but it’s the end of the season so why not be silly
ashen kestrel
Should change your name to Silly Shennanigans Enthusiast 
frosty mango
My details name is “glad is rad” and it will remain so until they give us a sword and board dps spec
ashen kestrel
With the numbers Thane is doing next seasons its getting close do being a 4th DPS - some huge spell reflect potential
Although if you are pugging thats irrelevant as you can be sure your juicy reflect will be inted 9/10 times
undone beacon
Wow that’s rude, beating people is not a good way to make friends rhino
undone beacon
Man you sound like the “friends” I made in college kek
frosty mango
Man you sound like the “friends” I made in college kek
TIL pash was into beating in college
solar forum
With the numbers Thane is doing next seasons its getting close do being a 4th DP...
Are we mountain thanes again next season?! Ive been avoiding looking at changes
solid sun
Thane poops on Col
In raid
I haven’t seen any definitive statements about what we are doing in dungeons.
Thane looking juicy
solar forum
Fuck yeah zappy zap. Gotta put together lightning mog
solid sun
But there can be more tuning and we haven’t seen anything written yet
buoyant sparrow
So we MT both M+ and Raid?
ashen kestrel
So we MT both M+ and Raid?
At the moment is looks like it - Thane is doing very solid aoe in M+ and it claps on boss fights in M+ too because of the 750% buff to the tier set ion thingies
Its also nice for aggro with shorter CD claps
You can run into a pull and clap -> avatar -> insta clap again
buoyant sparrow
At the moment is looks like it - Thane is doing very solid aoe in M+ and it clap...
Word!!
civic kiln
solar forum
There it is thank you
civic kiln
No prob lol
buoyant sparrow
civic kiln
they are a 4053 rated vdh
solid sun
Sounds like a scrub
solid sun
That’s neat
civic kiln
I have no idea who they are besides that
solid sun
This has really highlighted that I’ve accomplished way more than I realized
Beating the number 9 rated player in the world in m+ on pwar. Pretty proud of this one
All those dps shitting on my routes were wrong!
civic kiln
Make sure to tell them every dungeon you step into
undone beacon
solid sun
Dude thank you for arming me with this info
@frosty mango should I do skirt steak or red beans and rice and chicken
frosty mango
Both obviously, you do skirt steak and chicken then make dirty rice and do southwest fajitas
lime mantle
Bulking season is about to start.
civic kiln
Hell yeah brother
solid sun
Hmmmm
Idk that I wanna do both proteins even though that is a good idea
It’s always a bad idea to go shopping while hungry but also tired
lusty grotto
its always a bad idea to do anything while hungry but also tired
kind urchin
I prefer beef over chicken.
lusty grotto
same
kind urchin
Especially for cutting. Go on a full carnivore diet and beef has enough fat so it works really well.
lusty grotto
cant relate, i detest seafood
solid sun
I could devour an entire colony of shrimp right now, but my wife doesn’t like seafood so I only cook it rarely
frosty mango
I could devour an entire colony of shrimp right now, but my wife doesn’t like se...
Divorce her, obviously. Do you need a good lawyer? I know one.
lusty grotto
you know what im crazy about lately?
solid sun
lol
lusty grotto
pears
well not lately
probably since last year
i fucking devour the shit out of them
frosty mango
Asian or Bartlett
lusty grotto
ive been buying different but im digging these argentinian ones
idk about asian
maybe ive had them, who knows i just chomp em down
solid sun
You know
frosty mango
That’s a good thing
solid sun
I eat a lot of berries and melons and various citrus fruits and all kinds of stuff in the produce section. But I’ve never had a pear before
lusty grotto
well yeah sure, depends if youre constipated i guess
frosty mango
Nothing wrong with a lil regularity
solid sun
Yeah idk just never had one
civic kiln
Sacrilege
frosty mango
Yeah idk just never had one
Buy a pear next time you’re shopping
solid sun
I’m shopping rn!
frosty mango
Bartlett pear, should be soft but not mushy
Get it very cold, and eat it with some hard cheese like parm or Gouda
runic granite
I remember getting those super fancy foil wrapped pears for Christmas one time
frosty mango
Pears soaked in white grape juice and chilled to almost frozen are peak
warm plinth
I remember getting those super fancy foil wrapped pears for Christmas one time
You're a super fancy foil wrapped pear
Gottem
solid sun
Does that mean pears secretly suck
Like when I eat a watermelon or a peach I just eat em
I don’t add cheese or grape juice
frosty mango
Yeah you can eat a pear too
solid sun
Or foil
runic granite
Pears don’t need shit on them
frosty mango
But like if you’re gonna eat peaches you should pair them with blueberries
Don’t live so boring
Mix it up
civic kiln
I'm growing two pomegranate trees right now, can't wait for the bloom next year
warm plinth
Nothing boring about a pear.
warm plinth
I'm growing two pomegranate trees right now, can't wait for the bloom next year
GRENADE APPLES
runic granite
More like great apples
solid sun
Pomegranate are boss but they’re so much work to eat in comparison to other fruits
mighty valley
Does that mean pears secretly suck
You don’t think toast sucks just because sandwiches exist right
frosty mango
You don’t think toast sucks just because sandwiches exist right
A good cinnamon toast
Is goat
runic granite
Yeah but it has cinnamon
mighty valley
I don’t just eat raw toast
Yeah toast is by definition cooked
frosty mango
I don’t just eat raw toast
Who would just eat plain toast that’d be wierd
solid sun
See exactly
frosty mango
That’s like serial killer behavior
mighty valley
Ok bad example
frosty mango
I dunno if I’d classify it as awful as much as a vehicle for flavor
mighty valley
Do you like strawberries
frosty mango
Do you like strawberries
Do you like apples?
solid sun
Love strawberries
mighty valley
And yet people do complex recipes with strawberries right
undone beacon
Guess what I just ate for dinner though, since we're talking about food
civic kiln
Like strawberry shortcakes
frosty mango
Guess what I just ate for dinner though, since we're talking about food
Pears?
runic granite
Doesn’t make plain strawberries shit though
undone beacon
mortal cypress
Guess what I just ate for dinner though, since we're talking about food
Pop tarts
mighty valley
Jail
mortal cypress
Oh nice
frosty mango
Fresh ripe strawberries (not from the store) are insanely good
undone beacon
I actually feel sick it was not good
frosty mango
One of the best things you can ever eat
runic granite
Wtf
mortal cypress
Ofc it won't be good lmao
solid sun
And yet people do complex recipes with strawberries right
I simply asked if being told to add stuff to pears means they suck solo. When I have my daughter try stuff for thr first time I usually have her eat it plain first so she knows what it tastes like. She got a strawberry first. Not a chocolate covered strawberry, as an example
runic granite
Speaking of toast, Guinness and beer like it are just grain preservation techniques and should be left alone
civic kiln
oh man, I used to work at a liquor / beer / wine store and it was sick
warm plinth
Beer is disgusting, regardless.
undone beacon
Ofc it won't be good lmao
I knew that but like... i had to try it. morbid curiousity
lusty grotto
Beer is disgusting, regardless.
how dare you
warm plinth
You ever have those like mini-vomits that you accidentally swallow?
Beer tastes like that
mighty valley
guiness is gross
I know everyone makes claims like this about their region’s signature food or whatever but Guinness really is better in Ireland
Especially an old ass Dublin pub
warm plinth
I'm convinced that people just pretend to like beer
runic granite
No because vomit would be a strong flavor and Guinness isn’t that flavorful
warm plinth
I've tried Guinness. It tastes like furniture polish.
undone beacon
if im drinking alcohol its cuz i wanna FEEL something so i'm just going to do an appropriate amount of shots to get to that point
easy life
civic kiln
I enjoy german imports very rarely so it's pretty nice on occasion
runic granite
It’s just Irish bud light
mighty valley
I’m with sard, store bought Guinness in America doesn’t taste strong enough for me to imagine hating it that much haha
civic kiln
store bought Guinness is just meh
undone beacon
I drink those seagram escapes and thats the closest i get
runic granite
I’m with sard, store bought Guinness in America doesn’t taste strong enough for ...
It’s honestly just kind of bland
A bit creamy
civic kiln
I had this old man walk up to me at Epcot once and ask if I ever had a Dunkel and then buy me one, was best beer I ever had
undone beacon
thank you old man
civic kiln
it was like a passive way to say the beer I was drinking blows and his was better
lusty grotto
any dunkel is pretty much decent all the way
civic kiln
he wasn't wrong
oblique garnet
Beer tastes like that
Dont you badmouth beer just because your country cant make good beer
warm plinth
Dont you badmouth beer just because your country cant make good beer
Nah, beer is shit
People just convince themselves it tastes good so they can pretend they don't just drink it to be intoxicated
oblique garnet
Theres quite nothing like cold beer after long day of work
lusty grotto
100%
warm plinth
I mean, tbf, I would say the same thing about any alcohol as I don't drink
frosty mango
People just convince themselves it tastes good so they can pretend they don't ju...
Anyone who says beer is shit has not really tried beer at any real level
warm plinth
And I'm also just kidding (at least in the sense that I don't judge you for liking things that you like)
frosty mango
There are many many kinds of beer
None of which are remotely similar
For example a fruited smoothie beer is vastly different than say a lager
They are both “beer”
civic kiln
That's like handing someone that drinks Rose, Malbec
frosty mango
Or like a tequila aged barleywine would be closer to a spirit
oblique garnet
People just convince themselves it tastes good so they can pretend they don't ju...
Its to cope with the bullshit, work for pennies, for majority of your life
frosty mango
Good beer doesn’t taste like alcohol that’s just the hallmark of a shit beer
solid sun
Idk I think everyone here understands what’s being said when Doot says beer sucks
frosty mango
If you drink it and say “this tastes like alcohol” chances are it’s bad beer and there is so much bad beer
solid sun
Trying to loophole out of it is silly
frosty mango
Naw his point is solid
I really enjoy craft brew but you’re right there are people who drink to get drunk which is not a good play
solid sun
I pretty much only drink mixed drinks. Especially if they come with little umbrellas
oblique garnet
I really enjoy craft brew but you’re right there are people who drink to get dru...
That is the point of drinking
frosty mango
Naw the point of a good craft brew is to pair it with something and have 1-2 and call it good
These people out here smashing 10-12 ipas at a clip are ruining it
frosty mango
*i smash 10-12 ipas*
Can you walk after
civic kiln
when I worked around alcohol, i learned a lot from industry experts, there were some sommeliers that were retiring and cicerones. You absolutely drink to essentially taste rather than smash them to get drunk, I mean it's really all about intention lol.
lusty grotto
Can you walk after
whats walking
frosty mango
whats walking
“Wheel me to the uber, my address is on my bracelet”
lusty grotto
when I worked around alcohol, i learned a lot from industry experts, there were ...
thats the gist of it
but sometimes you just wanna get hammered
solid sun
That’s why I love margaritas
civic kiln
exactly
solid sun
Hot day, make a pitcher of margaritas, drink it with the wife and fall asleep on the couch
Def not doing that on miller time
civic kiln
My friend got me on Tequila Sunrises once, I was hooked for a long time
undone beacon
I make a drink I call a dewdrop
Ginger liqueur, white rum, sprite, splash of lime
Yes SIR
chilly brook
Naw the point of a good craft brew is to pair it with something and have 1-2 and...
I mean the point of alcohol is to have the effects of alcohol, there are a lot of other ways to enjoy a nice tasting drink without the alcohol
frosty mango
I mean the point of alcohol is to have the effects of alcohol, there are a lot o...
Naw there’s a lot of really good flavor pairings you get from the brewing process that you can mix with good food
I guess you could brew something without alcohol but that’s not really a thing - which really just reinforces your point
mighty valley
I think it’s very hard to pinpoint exactly how much of the pleasure is coming from taste vs intoxication and it probably varies from person to person
And therefore it’s pointless to try and argue whether beer is good or not lol
When I was college age I was kind of a “this all tastes bad, you all just drink to get drunk” person
Now I’ll go on vacation just to taste wine
chilly brook
I’m not saying that you can’t drink an alcoholic drink and enjoy the taste
I am saying that the point of alcohol in general is to experience alcohol lol
mighty valley
I don’t think I’m spending a ton of money on an entire vacation centered around tasting tons of wine just because I’m like “I wanna get drunk this weekend”
There are easier and cheaper ways to accomplish that
So like. “The point” is at least a mix of things, right
solid sun
What’s involved in a vacation to taste wine
Is there stuff that’s part of that experience that really doesn’t have anything to do with alcohol
solid sun
In my head I’m picturing a trip to a vineyard and it’s probably beautiful and relaxing
mighty valley
Then you pick a handful of vineyards each day and visit them in sequence
Choosing how many tastes to spit out to pace your drinking
Have a lovely picnic lunch
Share delightful tipsy conversation with your significant other
chilly brook
I don’t think I’m spending a ton of money on an entire vacation centered around ...
No one said you had to get drunk if you want alcohol
But there are non-alcoholic wines that taste very similar
mighty valley
Low/zero alcohol beer is kinda getting alright these days
The wines I’ve had have been kinda ass
crystal mauve
Hey guys, coming back after a few months away. Any tips on how to get to know the "best/new" route of the moment? Thanks 🙂
warm plinth
Route of what?
crystal mauve
Route of what?
M+
mighty valley
I wouldn't put too much effort in at the very end of a season, whatever raider.io says is probably fine
warm plinth
I wouldn't put too much effort in at the very end of a season, whatever raider.i...
Hey man how's everything?
warm plinth
Evo?
mighty valley
the fighting game tournament
pallid quiver
my man's spending a bajillion dollars to fund sony
i'd have gone if it wasn't expensive as fuck
pallid quiver
literally could go to two whole ass other majors
pallid quiver
where's the under night setup at blizzcon
warm plinth
The what?
pallid quiver
blizzcon belongs in the trash smh
warm plinth
I've never been to a convention before. Idk what all these terms mean
pallid quiver
Under Night's the main fight game I like
mighty valley
my man's spending a bajillion dollars to fund sony
i'm going to hang out with my friends 🙂
pallid quiver
an actual small indie company makes it, called French Bread
warm plinth
Probably in the secret Under Night closet
Look for the door with the baguette painting
pallid quiver
i'm going to hang out with my friends 🙂
Funny enough, a bunch of my fight game friends were gonna meet at evo
then all of us saw the cost and pretty much went "nah fuck that*
warm plinth
How much is it?
pallid quiver
The venue fee was like $300 or something for all days
That's the venue fee before considering hotels
mighty valley
$200 for the three day pass
warm plinth
Oh I assumed that was a normal price
pallid quiver
Evo is also in Vegas in the middle of high traffic summer; it often runs at the same time as a funny hacking convention known as black hat
So the hotels, even with the discounts, can be semi-pricey
warm plinth
I'm sure blizzcon won't be cheap either since they are going for an "elevated" experience
mighty valley
my wife and i are getting a decently priced hotel
pallid quiver
Oh I assumed that was a normal price
For the record, it used to be not that far priced from other tournaments before Sony and Pokimane bought in
mighty valley
i did just spend some time talking about wine tasting vacations in this channel though so
clearly i'm not exactly being wise with my money
warm plinth
I mean, you can either save for retirement or enjoy your life
waxen frigate
For the record, it used to be not that far priced from other tournaments before ...
If you’re a broke boi just say so
warm plinth
Can't have both in this economy
pallid quiver
Are you a bigger fight game person Harrow or more casual? I wager the latter, but
mighty valley
DAMN... I just got wagered to be the latter
warm plinth
He's just setting expectations low because he secretly wants you to be a fanatic
pallid quiver
If you’re a broke boi just say so
fight gamers are always poverty
but also evo is an experience i don't find worth it compared to other tournaments that aren't as corpo-landed
mighty valley
I mean, I'm sub-masters in sf6, so by many measures i'm casual
warm plinth
Scrub smh
solid sun
are you a zangief enjoyer like me
warm plinth
(I didn't even know there were 6 street fighters)
pallid quiver
He's just setting expectations low because he secretly wants you to be a fanatic
It's because it feels like he's not necessarily going to, like, Frosty Faustings or CEO and what not
pallid quiver
(I didn't even know there were 6 street fighters)
there's a lot more than 6 tbf
mighty valley
i'm signed up for sf6 and xrd
solid sun
Zangief might be the greatest fighting game character ever created
mighty valley
but expecting 0-2 in both
pallid quiver
are you a zangief enjoyer like me
Everyone is a grappler enjoyer until they're playing against one
pallid quiver
but expecting 0-2 in both
I wish your corpse good tidings in Xrd
solid sun
lol I feel like that's a mean thing to say
warm plinth
Zangief was always really boring to me
solid sun
Am I crazy
pallid quiver
Non-zero chance I could tell you something depending on who signed up, since I know a non-zero amount of the Xrd community
pallid quiver
lol I feel like that's a mean thing to say
Xrd's an old ass game that mostly only dedicated fanatics still play
Unless you're part of that real dedicated crew, Harrow's expectations are reasonable
warm plinth
Though I've always enjoyed watching fighting games more than playing them, if I consumed them at all
mighty valley
i do feel like luerce is mildly trying to gatekeep me right now lmao
but it's all good
pallid quiver
That being said, it's quite possible you can get past the 0-2 curse
in SF6
There's a lot of people playing SF6, so trust yourself more
warm plinth
I assumed he was just making a joke on your 0-2 comment
pallid quiver
i do feel like luerce is mildly trying to gatekeep me right now lmao
I'm just saying you're not a fucking lunatic who sits in illuminati discords
pallid quiver
and also last I checked, Xrd didn't have too many entrants, so it's mostly more dedicated players. I haven't kept track of Evo, though, so there could be the new blood coming in from when rollback popped in for Xrd
solid sun
Harrow as long as you believe in the heart of the cards and the power of your friendship, no one can defeat you!
mighty valley
that's SO true
pallid quiver
Harrow as long as you believe in the heart of the cards and the power of your fr...
just press buttons
like we do here
it's so ez
last ivy
Hey guys, brand new to tanking, just hit lvl 10.
Just wanted to know the basics so that I don't completely screw up when I start doing leveling dungeons
To pull, I either charge, or heroic throw right?
Then, to get AOE threat, it doesn't look like I have many options. Should I wait till to do dungeons until I unlock thunderclap?
Then i figure i just spam shield block on cool down, shield slam, taunt, etc.
warm plinth
Harrow as long as you believe in the heart of the cards and the power of your fr...
Not to mention a few trusty pots of greed
solid sun
Not to mention a few trusty pots of greed
a yugioh knower!
pallid quiver
pot of greed has been banned for seven millenia
pallid quiver
Hey guys, brand new to tanking, just hit lvl 10.
Just wanted to know the basics...
Prot Warrior as a whole doesn't work too good until like, level 65-ish
warm plinth
I would not do dungeons without thunder clap, no
pallid quiver
That being said, dungeons are very funky while levelling for prot
warm plinth
Pwar is boring as fuck at low levels. You won't die though.
mighty valley
Leveling dungeons are easy enough that it doesn't even matter if you hold threat
pallid quiver
Your threat shoots from being fine with even just a single whirlwind, but also you don't have CDs, but don't need CDs
mighty valley
But you will probably be able to anyway
warm plinth
You end up with 17 buttons by level 30 with only enough rage to press 1 or 2 kek
last ivy
Dang ok so wait till I get thunderclap then, makes sense. I tried a follower dungeon for literally one minute and was not getting any threat lol.
pallid quiver
Damn, Xrd got 135 entrants
last ivy
Pwar is boring as fuck at low levels. You won't die though.
pwar?
pallid quiver
Prot War
warm plinth
Short for protection warrior
pallid quiver
@mighty valley What name did you enter Xrd under?
last ivy
prob shouldve figured that out
mighty valley
Harrow
pallid quiver
i'm kinda curious what your run looks like
solid sun
does evo have Capcom vs SNK 2 EO
lusty grotto
https://tenor.com/view/bruh-moment-fall-funny-gif-14683854
dat me
pallid quiver
Evo has fucking every fighting game
May not be main stage
warm plinth
Melissa Louisa Amanda Miranda Cynthia Jane Farlow is mine
pallid quiver
But if you can find people playing Clayfighter,
You'll definitely find any Capcom game
solid sun
Maybe some blazblue
The girl with the two pistols is great for just mashing buttons and stuff happening
pallid quiver
@mighty valley bro
I can't believe you're in the one pool that doesn't have an average expected tourney sweeper like Pep, Foo, Pat, Elven, etc
proven stratus
Mai is the peak glue eating BB character
pallid quiver
I now demand you don't go 0-2 in Xrd, the dream lives, Harrow
proven stratus
Mash C get free kills
proven stratus
Is that the pistol girl I mentioned
No
pallid quiver
Spear lady
solid sun
X-Men vs Street Fighter is my favorite vs game. If that had participants I'd be hyped as heck
pallid quiver
X-Men vs Street Fighter is my favorite vs game. If that had participants I'd be ...
It'll 10/10 be played
solid sun
I don't remember that spear girl
pallid quiver
You probably played earlier BB, then
proven stratus
^
pallid quiver
She was put into one of the last installments
She's also played quite a lot because she's not particular hard, but is very good still
solid sun
I was going to ask if she was in the first blazblue, but then it dawned on me that perhaps the first blazblue I remember seeing wasn't necessarily the first one that released
pallid quiver
Hell, I think she was CF introduced if you asked me kneejerk. Pretty sure she was CP
CF being Central Fiction
proven stratus
CP gamewise, CF playable
pallid quiver
and CP Chronophantasma... I think it was?
proven stratus
Ye
pallid quiver
I'm so used to just acronyms that I had to tickle the one brain cell I have
solid sun
Harrow are you entering the cosplay contest?
pallid quiver
@mighty valley xrd's being streamed; that means I'm gonna watch you on the side with main focus being Uni 2 top 24 so that means you're banned from going 0-2
solid sun
How do you see the pools
pallid quiver
On start.gg, there's always pools and ability to enter tournaments. Xrd is like a bonus semi-mainline entry, so it's on the normal Evo 2025 page, which is here: https://www.start.gg/tournament/evo-2025/details
Harrow's specific pool is here: https://www.start.gg/tournament/evo-2025/event/guilty-gear-xrd-rev-2/brackets/1888997/2969437
pallid quiver
I also didn't look hard enough, I missed Vogue
pallid quiver
The large majority of Harrow's pool, barring Vogue, is newer/mid-skill players, so it'll actually be pretty interesting pool to watch overall; you're gonna see a lot of people at different levels of learning in the game
mighty valley
i play in patrick miller's weekly and mostly get washed, so
"new/mid-skill" is a sliding scale
i'm in that horrible middle band with fighting games where
i win 100% of games against all the friends i convince to try them out
and lose 98% of games against people who play my fave games as a lifestyle
pallid quiver
Yeah, but it's also good to remember that a lot of the other people who enter at tournaments are in the same boat as you
mighty valley
yeah, i mostly enjoy evo for just hanging out around the tournaments
pallid quiver
It's mostly just where you're at in your learning, if you've got something they can't handle or if they have something you can't handle
mighty valley
and getting games with people way better than me who are willing to teach and/or people like me
pallid quiver
yeah, i mostly enjoy evo for just hanging out around the tournaments
Anyone who goes for anything else damn well better be punk or a commentator or something
mighty valley
also me and my friends always play a ton of mtg in the evenings
pallid quiver
Tournaments really are a place to hang out with people, especially people you don't get to meet often
So really, you're already winning since you've got friends you're going with
but i still forbid you to go 0-2, you're gonna win at least a game, even if i've gotta dope you up smh
pallid quiver
I personally haven't gone to Evo since... 2019, I think
I've gone to other majors, but haven't been back to Evo
pallid quiver
i had to skip last year because i had an infant child
This didn't mentally register with me, but congrats on that one
mighty valley
thank you - I keep joking about taking her to evo one year
She'll be better than me at age 5
and earn back her $200 entry
frosty mango
do thunderblast and thunderclap benefit from crit differently than other spells?
they are critting significantly lower than I would expect
live also seems to bear this out
violet ginkgo
and you have about 40% crit chance roid? as in the stat
frigid plume
it's prob cause the log is lumping together regular thunder blast hits with seismic reverb hits but the seismic reverb hits don't independently crit
frosty mango
and you have about 40% crit chance roid? as in the stat
yeah
frosty mango
it's prob cause the log is lumping together regular thunder blast hits with seis...
good call
worthy lichen
anyone got a WA for if target of target has reflect up?
frosty mango
yes
github 404 generally means you are not authorized
if you know the repo is there
Man no matter how much I try playing aoe execute just feels like poop
I think a lot of people do like the gameplay though
lone current
Man no matter how much I try playing aoe execute just feels like poop
rotation wise? or like rage starvation ?
frosty mango
Just rotation, the tab targeting constantly
I don’t think it’s possible to rage starved on thane
violet ginkgo
Wow jormung instantly get the problem but damn the seismic causing everything to do downhill XD
but why the log don't show about crit from seismic reverb, the damage from seismic can't crit?
waxen frigate
it's prob cause the log is lumping together regular thunder blast hits with seis...
Certified details moment
This is why it is never ever ever a good idea to use details for in depth analysis of anything
desert verge
Hi, why pros used dracthyr race for prot warrior last RWF? I don't see why it's strong.
jagged pier
bomb on gally
its also the best for tmog
and also your racial really dont matter in raid at all
it barely matters in m+
frigid valley
its also the best for tmog
desert verge
bomb on gally
Ok ok
slender blade
Hello! Two questions I cannot find looking around on, for Colossus mainly. Is there any number of targets where I spend Outburst on clap? Or just never? Also on the opener or start of a key do I need to wait build stacks of Colossal might at all or can I just send right away in accordance with the opener? Thank you for the help! I do not have good moments in my recent logs of these things but I do have recent logs that I think I sent a 0 Might Demolish and Thunderclapped my outburst even when I probably shouldn't have
karmic plinth
slender blade
Perfect thank you that is nice and simple then
neon elk
Since we will be keeping our valorstones into next session, are they removing transfer of them or is this still gonna be a thing ?
high latch
I think it's safe to assume you wpn't be able to transfer them at least for several weeks
weak ether
Quick question whats the ptr talent builds ?
high latch
This is what Kira runs, but I'm sure others here can give better answers.
lime mantle
This is what Kira runs, but I'm sure others here can give better answers.
Indom is viable again?
Zamn.
high latch
I assume you'd swap it out for Hunker Down if you need the stronger magic DR, but that's the build he did an +18 Floodgate with.
weak ether
This is what Kira runs, but I'm sure others here can give better answers.
No collossus ?
high latch
MT is currently better, even more so for single target. But you'll be fine if you want to play Col.
weak ether
Ok Ok, so even in raid ?
high latch
Yep. MT is slightly better in AOE, but significantly ahead in ST, so unless Blizz changes it it'll be the stronger pick in all content.
weak ether
Noted
jagged pier
Indom is viable again?
Zamn.
no dont ask me why hes running that trash
neon elk
Indom is viable again?
Zamn.
There are like at least 3 talents better than this he should take
sharp merlin
isn't the whole point of ptr to check what builds work for you? lol
blazing ridge
Maybe
weak ether
There are like at least 3 talents better than this he should take
Which are ?
blazing ridge
But I don't see any way Indom would ever be needed
weak ether
Do you guys execute in M+ ?
sharp merlin
I do
but that's cause I have too much rage, and want to make the dps feel bad
tbh, I have no clue if it actually does a lot of dmg
jagged pier
it may not be the top damage build
from what i know
but its fun
and close enough
neon elk
Which are ?
Based on what you need 4% magic dr ( on top) or hunker down for extra SR dr, tough as nail, or even exe talents ..
Even EA is better than indom, imho
weak ether
So you can just ignore execute ?
neon elk
How did u get to that conclusion?
What jakey was saying is full exe build may not be highest dmg build , but u still do use exe
neon elk
Its based on target count
Strong especialy on bosses, cuz your other options for rage spending are revenge, which is rather weak especialy as MT or IP, but IP isnt dmg ( directly) so in case you dont need ip spam to survive boss exe is a clear choice
weak ether
Noted 😄
strong forum
execute is massive for dmg
solid sun
I believe Nome said sexecutes are the highest damaging ability we have up to like 8 targets or something?
strong forum
if you talent into full execute build yea
outside of thunderblast with outburst ofc
solid sun
Will you be providing us with your suggested full sexecute build in the guide whenever you update it?
Or is that gonna be some secret sauce
strong forum
ofc ill link it
nothing secret about it
itll even be my standard recommendation for weekly keys
solid sun
Heck yeah
I didn't know what we would be talenting out of to go that build, so I didn't know how recommended it would be
frosty mango
I ran a bunch of keys on the ptr last night and execute build did seem like the play
frosty mango
When you get cooldowns back up and mobs start getting low you can send some fat damage
jagged pier
this will be your vault key build
add SD for the bants
lime urchin
whoa! mountain thane! excited to give it a try!
little lark
Hello Lads, just out of curiosity and our Maintank getting a last Minute Work appointment i might be the sub Tank untl he returns. One of my options would be finishing my Protwarr as it looks quite good rn going into s3. And i also want to switch things up from bdk and vdh, which i've been playing as alts this tier.
Where can i find the most sound info on what herotalents presumable will be good when the patch launches and how their gameplay is
frosty mango
Last minute patch notes gonna buff colossus
strong forum
waowhead and icyveins
frosty mango
And we’re gonna be cryin
neon elk
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOA...
Can u drop anything to get cruel strike and not loose too much?
strong forum
drop thunderous words
jagged pier
Hello Lads, just out of curiosity and our Maintank getting a last Minute Work ap...
wowhead and icyveins
weak ether
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOA...
you dont take the cheat death talent ?
jagged pier
Can u drop anything to get cruel strike and not loose too much?
as u drop TR u may as well take SD then too as bleeds will do less damage
jagged pier
you dont take the cheat death talent ?
why would u need that for vault keys?
neon elk
as u drop TR u may as well take SD then too as bleeds will do less damage
Yea full send on exe baby
jagged pier
weak ether
why would u need that for vault keys?
cause the first keys in week one would be difficult ?
solid sun
I wasn't taking BSV when running 15's this season
strong forum
you dont take the cheat death talent ?
no point
solid sun
Doubt we need it for vault keys this season
lime urchin
if you want to play BSV, just do it
but it's not recommend
weak ether
no point
That much irrelevant? care to explain why?
cause dmg isnt that punishing ?
I tried brewmaster stress test, in a +15 i fold in just under one minute, so idk 🥲
strong forum
"stress test in +15 without a healer"
well DUH
"hey if i create a scenario which doesnt exist and will eventually kill me cuz my tank isnt built to survive entirely by itself vs a gigantic pull i die"
weak ether
Hey, i'm trying lol
little lark
How important is stance dancing in terms of offensive value in a key?
weak ether
i aint the best tank, and i wanna be the best i can tbh so yeah i put myself in disavantageous situations
strong forum
we didnt play BSV all of dragonflight (cuz it was bugged) and for a good amount of keys in S1 or S2 until like omega keys or very specific scenarios, its a backup defensive that procs if you
a) make a mistake
b) wipe
3) proc it intentionally
jagged pier
- it still sometimes just procs
weak ether
i need more keybinds for execute
lime urchin
- it's an incredible boring talent
kind urchin
Yeah, it's weird. Went a long time with it working properly and then it started randomly proccing at full health again like a month or so ago.
jagged pier
its not a bad talent, its generally pretty good 'if u need it' and u can play around it, which 99% of players dont fill the first statement
let alone the second
it also will stunt u in getting better
because it can and does prevent you from knowing what actually is an issue
and what isnt
weak ether
Understood, sorry for using it to be worse lol
strong forum
nah
like its completely fair to use
but its also not as mandatory as people make it out to be
jagged pier
☝️
broken cove
thoughts on these sims? looks cranking
strong forum
no thoughts
is correct
except that 1 funny high roll
kinda sus
maybe turbo SD luck
broken cove
here i thought i was going brew, fuck that
strong forum
dont look at brew sims
LOL
they are NEVER representative
cuz brew just doesnt work well on paper cuz stagger
little lark
and they say "broken" in the description 😄
another question since im a dum dum, spellblock is gone next season right?
neon elk
Should simply make it passive baked into shield block and weaker , ezpz
But still, i think us losing SB is less issue than DKs loosing flappy hands
little lark
#gripisnotaraidbuff
weak ether
Brew is strong
but idk how it'll feel with no healers help
cause i pug, and healers are sometimes big dumdum
little lark
brew are pretty much always reliant on some form of outside healing
solid sun
Usually brews interacting with healers isn’t a healer ignores them situation
It’s healers trying to heal them to full for forever
little lark
or something like a druid just keeping hots on them
fossil vapor
so better war tank or brew? for the dungeon pull wehave
lime urchin
uh oh it's that time of year again!
jagged pier
which ever u like the best and play the best will be the best one for u
lime urchin
neon elk
Play whatever you like, if u like and know them equaly play what better fits your comp
hot orbit
A tank must have a shield. Can you immagine Jackie Chan facing a dragon?
mellow bridge
close enough
waxen frigate
Holy based
little lark
which herotalent do you think is more enjoyable gameplaywise?
rough egret
once you get into them they are both enjoyable imo, thane a bit easyer on gather and on spending rage as your primary spender is IP.
your apm goes up up up as Thane
solid sun
Would you make your warrior a vulpera
Probs closest you can get to that gif
It’s interesting that we have two dog races and no cat races
mortal cypress
No Rhino races either
solid sun
Thats true
round pendant
wtf colossus sucks now?
sweet summit
Would you make your warrior a vulpera
undone beacon
Would you make your warrior a vulpera
Fuck no
undone beacon
wtf colossus sucks now?
Colossus doesn’t suck, thane just got buffed
round pendant
potato potato
quasi crane
I don't see how colossus wont still be used in raid for pure ST boss
quasi crane
sims aren't explaining anything, how many targets? what duration?
if standard 1 target 5 min then fair
jagged pier
that will be the standard ST 5min sim i would believe
quasi crane
fair then colossus in dumpster for now
daring narwhal
What's miasna in the name of the sim ?
small steeple
Just rotation, the tab targeting constantly
Try a mouseover for execute?
mellow bridge
What's miasna in the name of the sim ?
the person who made them
not 100% optimized but a good basis afaik
small steeple
the person who made them
you got a link the html report?
mellow bridge
i dont
small steeple
thoughts on these sims? looks cranking
you got a link to the html report?
small steeple
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOA...
no thunderlord? Is taking last stand that much of an oppurinity cost?
solid sun
no thunderlord? Is taking last stand that much of an oppurinity cost?
Context is weekly vault keys
With regards to last stand