protection

[jagged gust]

if I could drop disrupting shout for more execute talents

I would in a heartbeat

let the rest of the party interrupt

[frosty mango]

That’s the spirit

[solid sun]

which one is hunker down

[jagged gust]

+10% MDR on SR

[solid sun]

oh the new one

choice with spellbreaker

[jagged gust]

ye

[solid sun]

Well if that's how we do big dam

That's how we do big dam

[jagged gust]

I mean, it's not that big of a DR in the end

[slim oracle]

i still stand by hunker down not being worth taking for like 95% of the people here though

[solid sun]

I'm mostly concerned about not having disrupting shout in that scenario, but if those are all we give up for big execute dam and we still living? Peace be with the rest of the party

'Cause we out there clappin' folks

[jagged gust]

there's like 5 choice nodes that will affect DPS in some regard, and 3 of them don't conflict with defensives

robot is gonna figure it out eventually

then we can play the defensive game

[solid sun]

have shield wall

Will travel

[jagged gust]

you literally can't drop disrupt for any exe nodes

too early in the talent tree

[slim oracle]

it would prob be this

[solid sun]

Are you telling me roid is lying to me?

[slim oracle]

ravager is like in the total grand scheme of things a pretty small % of your damage, its more for like threat

[solid sun]

Purposely leading me astray

It's more rage gen

[slim oracle]

yeah but youre playing thane

[jagged gust]

I mean there are dozens of variations

[slim oracle]

im pretty sure the least impactful on yoru damage is dropping enduring alacrity

but we'll see what sims say

[jagged gust]

honestly sounds about right

[slim oracle]

honestly i might run that in my next key to see how it does

[mint knot]

Without BSV looks like a 12s cook

[slim oracle]

oh

[jagged gust]

The ol' BSV crutch

[slim oracle]

you can drop disrupting for that

if u wanna grief i guess

but thats not related to the execute build though

[jagged gust]

Disrupting Shout is in the first tier of talents, if you wanna drop it you'd have to then run armor+MDR talents, but it won't net you anything below it

[slim oracle]

you can swap disrupting for bsv

bsc

i dont run fight through the flames, but i run armor specialization

[jagged gust]

they nerfed BSC, it's even worse now

especially for MT

[slim oracle]

yeah i dont take it generally

[jagged gust]

wait a second, I didn't even notice what they actually did until now

[slim oracle]

i dont think i ran it on the 16 eco if i remember right

yeah i was testing indomitable i didnt even run bsv

(indomitable sucks)

[jagged gust]

they rolled show of force into BSC and then adjusted the numbers, interesting

[slim oracle]

i mean if youre running a meme execute its free damage

execute build

[jagged gust]

yeah it's definitely gonna be a part of my continuing 100 Parse LFR series

[solid sun]

I don't think we can call it a meme build

Until it's confirmed to be a meme

[slim oracle]

i mean

what i linked above is the most potentially viable option for it most likely

its just not taking BSV will actually make a difference for a lot of people

you have to give up 5% stam plus your cheat to maximize damage from the build, but then you might be in a situation where you arent able to spend as much rage on execute cuz you have to IP spam to stay alive

so it might not be a meme build but at the best its a full dps build

actually u could drop shield specialization and go ravager

if u really wanna go full dps lmao

[jagged gust]

Honestly the entire class tree gets gummed up by Unyielding Stance

[slim oracle]

yeah but i wouldnt drop that anyway

[jagged gust]

I wouldn't touch that unless I was pushing the highest of keys

If I could help it

[slim oracle]

okay fair

i guess i should add the context that im doing 16+ on ptr

the nice thing about this new tree is that u can give up a lot of defensive stuff for more dam

[jagged gust]

Even so we barely take fight through the flames in it's current iteration, and it's more DR than unyielding for a damage type we're worse at mitigating

It's just such a small amount of DR, and the talent is locked in if you want access to AM, Ravager or exe cleave

[static vessel]

What is better to take into next tier Myth Jastor or Myth Eye of Kezan?

[slim oracle]

wait hold on

isnt it a flat 4% dr on top of the 20% dr of d stance

or am i misreading this

i just read what u said

fight through the flames is 4% magic

[jagged gust]

uhhh I assume it's additive, not actually sure, but I meant against the current iteration which sits at 6% not the PTR version

[slim oracle]

ohhh sorry thought you were talking about the PTR version

yeah on PTR its just a flat 4% dr which is good

boring but good

oh youre saying 6% is the current

eh yeah

[lusty grotto]

oh its the disinformation guy again

@frosty mango you around big dog?

[frosty mango]

Have you seen me I am very round

[lusty grotto]

what are the gally backshots called again?

in logs?

[frosty mango]

Is this a sfw conversation?

[lusty grotto]

yes

is it pest control or what

the chain lightnings are pest control yea?

[frosty mango]

You mean the when people die to the bomb?

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[frosty mango]

The lazer thing is just called giga coils I think

[lusty grotto]

hmm

aight aight

[warm plinth]

Hmm

[frosty mango]

AFAIK what people usually die to is uh

Focused detonation I think it’s called

[lusty grotto]

[jagged gust]

I'd bet jastor, trinkets are looking very juicy next tier and we're getting some decent options from delves right off the bat

[slim oracle]

still not taking hunker down sorry to make u sad

[static vessel]

thank you

[lusty grotto]

you do you buddy

looking forward to your kira builds

[slim oracle]

brother nobody doing anything higher than a 16 is taking hunker down

its okay to be wrong

[warm plinth]

That's an odd line. If anything, you'd be more likely to use it the higher you go, not less.

[slim oracle]

yes

you would think that

but its not worth giving up points on the other talents

and its not gonn abe the make or break for why you die

[lusty grotto]

you dont even remember what you were yapping about

"dont spread misinformation"

[jagged gust]

I'm still not sold on the idea of taking BV as MT

[slim oracle]

youre the kind of guy who likes to talk about things that dont matter, whereas im linking logs and talking about things that actually matter

[lusty grotto]

🤡

[slim oracle]

its okay to be a casual that doesnt care about any of this

just dont try to push your attitude onto others

[lusty grotto]

oh is that so?

you know me so well

[slim oracle]

youre the one that presumed to know me

[mystic arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/now-kith-mike-tyson-gif-13249709

[frosty mango]

I’m putting this in my pocket

[slim oracle]

im just saying

currently nobody is running hunker down

cuz u can live without it just fine so its not worth giving up your other talents currently

[frosty mango]

We’re gonna see

But I’m still putting my money on hunker down being the play for push keys

[lusty grotto]

ironic that last time you simply linked a kira build and not what you're mentioning, good job turning it around lately

[slim oracle]

dude you are like

an 8 year old that doesnt know when to shut up

lmao

jesus christ

[lusty grotto]

ad hoc so early?

[jagged gust]

When ppm is affected by haste, do all ppm effects use the same formula?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[slim oracle]

blocking this kid since he doesnt actually contribute anything useful

[lusty grotto]

another one in the pocket

[slim oracle]

i will say

20% avoidance plus r druid hps is a huge factor

[warm plinth]

I think it's different to say no one is using it vs no one will use it

[slim oracle]

i am saying nobody is currently using it yes

okay think about it this way

is there a situation where an extra 10% dr on top of the 25% dr youre getting already from it going to be the difference between you living or dying

cuz otherwise if you'd live regardless, you'd be healed for the difference

[lusty grotto]

its funny how hes moving goal posts now despite completely missing the context roid was talking about then

[solid sun]

I'll say that the mainstays here have always been quite helpful to me. And most people who come here.

[slim oracle]

maybe i could see giving up enduring alacrity or ravager for it but its also prob one of those things that is hard to quantify whether its actually providing u value

[solid sun]

Putting too much stock in what's happening right now in ptr seems silly. Who knows what's going to change

[slim oracle]

i would say warrior is pretty close to its final iteration

its pretty balanced right now after the most recent patch

unless they buff hunker down more

defensive-wise

[lusty grotto]

"stop spreading misinformation" he says when were just chatting about a ptr build back 1.5 months ago, even though roid stated in what conditions it would be taken quite clearly, and to boot links a kira build

anyway Rhino whats up, im trialing atm

[solid sun]

How's that going?

[lusty grotto]

fun so far

[solid sun]

arms?

[lusty grotto]

decent guild

yeah

[cerulean tusk]

Nimchip is a pathological lier

[lusty grotto]

sub tank most likely

[jagged gust]

So with a haste of 50%, would the ppm of Sudden Death go from 1.7 .> 1.7*1.5=2.5ish?

[lusty grotto]

i dislike you

[jagged gust]

or does it work differently than that

[lusty grotto]

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-mouse-rat-kedikizx-kedi-liam-gif-9419941208761802308

[lusty grotto]

[lusty grotto]

yeah that sounds accurate

rppm * haste pretty much

1 + haste in decimals rather

so your formula is correct

[frosty mango]

I’m going back to shitposting

Spell breaker is a 100% must take in every key

From +2 up

And if you don’t take it your build is cooked and you’re doomed

[cerulean tusk]

I can't take it tho, I am getting shieldspike

Might grab bolster for that instant heal power as well

[lusty grotto]

we just need nish bleed support back

and the whole shitposting gang is back

funky 2h tanking ftw

[cerulean tusk]

Already did my +12 2h tanking, it was a bit iffy - and healer swore at me in Spanish

Can not recommend it

Maybe next season tho

[frosty mango]

That was Portuguese don’t assume his language

[lusty grotto]

did he say "no bueno"

that means you were the best tank

[frosty mango]

This is my current ptr build

-# dont do this

[lusty grotto]

[jagged gust]

I'm trying to make an immortal build for my well intentioned guildies, take the most defensives with the least buttons

[lusty grotto]

[jagged gust]

two thoughts, I doubt they're gonna be utilizing intervene, and BB would be nice to get somehow

[lone current]

Is Shield Specialization going to be a must pick or does the 16% block value not translate into enough DR to warrant picking it up?

[warm plinth]

It's not 16% in 11.2, but it is a must pick

[lusty grotto]

[lone current]

🙏

[lone current]

Nim are you still enjoying arrakis ?

[warm plinth]

I was wrong. It is 16% in 11.2. I was looking at the wrong thing. But yeah, it is going from two poitns of 12 each to one point of 16

[lusty grotto]

i am but im playing wow tonight

getting slow in dune ngl

[solid sun]

everyone moving on or giving up seems like

[lusty grotto]

same old targets etc

yeah when people dont come in to fight

pvp can get stale

i dont blame em either, most people want to play dune because they are fans

and fans are usually not pvp invested

[somber quail]

i'm kinda new to this discord, i'm main prot warr, how do you guys see it for the s3?

[frosty mango]

good place, we lost spell block but gained decent tier bonuses, bosses were tuned to account for spell block loss

Every time I see @lusty grotto online hes raiding

[solid sun]

dedicated to his craft

[frosty mango]

I keep trying to be nice and queue random 10s to help low IO people but every time I do its like 3500 alts

[somber quail]

i barely reached 3069

[solid sun]

@lusty grotto have you wowed your trialing guild yet

[warm plinth]

I'll queue your random 10

😉

[solid sun]

Now there's an offer you can't refuse

[warm plinth]

I winned at pool tonight

[frosty mango]

i cant ever be good at pool, ive tried

im more of a smash things sport guy

living the warrior fantasy

[warm plinth]

fair

[solid sun]

I really like the idea of being good at pool

idk that I like the idea of becoming good at pool

[warm plinth]

it's a lot of work to be really good

[lusty grotto]

dunno yet tbh

[warm plinth]

which is why I'm only halfway decent

[lusty grotto]

first week killed mugzee

doing gally now

[solid sun]

Lapping your old guild in short order

[frosty mango]

my first mugz I put my transcendance on the beam and promptly died

[lusty grotto]

lol

[frosty mango]

but I did gally blind and took the least damage and crushed

honestly gally is easier

[lusty grotto]

yeah it feels that way for sure

[solid sun]

When you do a lot of m+ tanking but swap to arms/fury for raid, do you end up still getting your desired mythic pieces for your tank spec?

[frosty mango]

almost all of the gear is shared and in every ce guild ive been in we have always taken into account m+

[solid sun]

Yeah this tier it's probably mostly just like the shield and the bombsuit

Maybe a 1h ig

[frosty mango]

but yes ive never had an issue getting offspec loot for m+ in raid

[warm plinth]

I think arms uses basically the same stats as us don't they?

[frosty mango]

They do

with crafting it really doesnt matter now because you can fill slots with crafted gear for offsets

[warm plinth]

yeah, not to mention dinar unless you actually need to use all 3 on other stuff

[lone current]

speaking of crafting, do we know how long the delve belt is going to be relevant? or will a crafted one replace it

[lusty grotto]

i laughed cause i died twice to the beam

[lone current]

into s3

[warm plinth]

I think how they did dinar this time was fine but I think it would be nifty if they expanded the M+ loot to be any piece instead of just trinkets

[solid sun]

Oh I forgot

[warm plinth]

Especially if we're limited to three purchases anyway

[solid sun]

We gotta get that stupid cloak to go into the raid, right?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[grim pilot]

Mages crying

[warm plinth]

You deadge if you try to go in without it

[grim pilot]

Also necks/rings

[warm plinth]

They didn't even include the cantrip stuff did they? For keys?

like mecha staff and shit?

[solid sun]

Just trinkets from m+

[grim pilot]

No they didnt

They should

But they didnt

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that would've been cool at the very least

[grim pilot]

And it legitimately can make a difference in a key like rookery

[warm plinth]

Staff, wrists, shit wrists, shit staff

Actually idk if rookery staff is shit. I just assumed

[grim pilot]

Wrists r w.e

0.2% dps loss

Between hc and mythic

On fire

[warm plinth]

Shit wrists was referring to the anodized deflectors

[grim pilot]

A idfk what is that

[warm plinth]

Plate wrists that are absolute trash basically

they give like a tiny nature damage thing and some parry/avoidance on a 30 sec CD but have no secondaries

[frosty mango]

you assumed correctly, its shit

[warm plinth]

I hate being right

😏

@lusty grotto I started leveling my outlaw rogue yesterday and I'm feeling the passion return. D:

[lusty grotto]

😮

[warm plinth]

I am keeping pwar on its pedestal this time though. Rogue just gonna be my alt

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

[warm plinth]

But it's still fun, though some weird changes from the last time I played it for sure.

[lusty grotto]

i wonder if i should try it again

let me know how it goes

[solid sun]

The problem with outlaw, for me anyways, is that it makes my hands hurt

[lusty grotto]

yeah ive heard similar things

with any rogue spec for that matter

last time i played outlaw was in bfa and it wassimple

[solid sun]

I also feel like I lose the ability to react to anything outside of what outlaw is having me do lol.

[warm plinth]

That takes a lot of time to get past tbh. So many things you have to react to XD

[warm plinth]

wait, can you wear 2 crafted rings now?

2 of the same I mean

[frosty mango]

yesw

I think so

At min there are two crafted rings so

But the crafted ring is not unique

[ebon scaffold]

How we looking next season? Also are we forced into playing dwarf lol

[jagged pier]

Fine and no

[brittle owl]

dorf stonk tonk

[sharp gale]

Yes, even the same stat

2 crit haste ring for example

[blazing ridge]

sim would tell you to pick a haste/vers or haste/mastery ring though, usually its a bit more dps than just haste/crit x 2

[gentle mango]

Hey guys quick question, should I use Demolish on CD, or always line Avatar => Demo Shout => Demolish => Thunderous Roar?

[violet ginkgo]

Well depend on enemy actually, If the enemy are like 3 left and all of them are just below 10% you hold it to next pack.

also usually demolish sort of line up with demo shout?

[gentle mango]

I feel like for now I got DS more frequently by runing Thunderlord

[sharp gale]

You usually have to hold one or the other for 5-10 seconds

[blazing ridge]

Well, obviously you have more DS if your Talented into Thunderlord, but its usually only taken on Thane, becasue your priority in AoE is not to hit Thunder Clap, but rather Revenege, and the Talents you get to chose instead of Thunderlord increase your Revenge damage all the time even outside DS..

[gentle mango]

@blazing ridge Then instead of Thunderlord you take Show of Force or Ravager? In that case you old Demolish as @sharp gale said like 5 10 s and then send all your 45s together? (and Ravager every other go) ?

[sharp gale]

Yes I don’t play with thunderlord (it’s been a while I didn’t play prot or did a m+)

And I don’t play with show of force, I take disrupting shout

The mass kick is auto locked for me

[gentle mango]

Got it already mass kick is way too good

[sharp gale]

So by memory, you have to hold demolish a few seconds if you want to shout + demolish as second demo, and it goes kinda similar on ravager return ( tho you don’t care about ravager + demolish that much)

[blazing ridge]

Idk I usually run both Revenge talents, Ravager and Disrupting Shout. Fairly offensive but until the 15s I did it doesn't matter.

[sharp gale]

What is both revenge talents ? show of force and ?

[frigid valley]

served cold prob

[sharp gale]

Yes I was gonna say I found it, I never saw it as a choice with 6% magic DR

And my brain is like : if you think you needed 6% DR, you can improve on something mechanical I think, to be gentle

[hollow aspen]

" forced " everyone sane should play dwarf because of the cool factor

[safe mango]

Hi, I'm trying to get into tanking for next season. Can anyone recommend some good resources and content creators that have good quality and trustworthy breakdowns and advice?
I'm less interested in basic intro to tanking and more interested in narrated dungeon runs explaining why they did certain things, how the planned cds etc. I'm really interested to learn how they approach big pulls, how it's managed, how cds are planned and what they focus on the most pack to pack

[hidden linden]

PWarr focused or any tank?

[safe mango]

Definitely Prot war but I'd be interested in other tanks as well

[hidden linden]

I'm a big fan of Sha's breakdowns/commentaries (Sha_irl on twitch & youtube iirc)

He mostly plays BrM but you'll find some PWarr commentaries if you dig in his videos

I remember him doing some like one month ago

[safe mango]

Awesome I'll have a look while we are in the hospital for the next few days.

If anyone else has good recommendations it would be greatly appreciated

[orchid mural]

Tactyks is a decent resource as well

[sharp gale]

I would say tactyks or quazii for the general tanking videos or type of advice to take from them

For in depth 1 spec content, you will need other sources

[fluid widget]

Will also agree with tackyks for general dungeon/raid/balance videos

[ashen kestrel]

For prot warrior specific stuff there is this
Smaller creator called topicx that i stumbled on in Season 1 has some good commentary runs - think he could be swapping off prot war in s3 but he was a diehard main first 2 seasons
I like the thought process commentaries where he explains pulls and why hes doing what pull

https://www.youtube.com/@TopicxYT

[frosty mango]

I second quazii, good analytical content

@gentle violet is here and posts sometimes he can prob tell you if he’s hanging up the shield for s3

[solid sun]

Quazii is good

I don’t much care for recommending any content creator for specific specs unless they hang out in the related discy. Otherwise I feel like the content is too feelycraft and doesn’t incorporate the work the TC’s do

But tbf I also don’t just like digest all the wow content so maybe there are some who don’t fit that mold

[sharp merlin]

Commentaries during dungeons are really helpful, especially if you're new to tanking in general. One of the biggest issues with tanking is the game doesn't do a very good job telling you what is hurting you from a UX standpoint, unless you do some real research outside of the game, and even then, its not until you try it, you don't understand fully how keeping calm and doing your core rotation is important.

[crude nimbus]

we looking like colossus or MT for next season?

[rough egret]

Gods of thunder again!

Still 2 weeks out

2 weeks to get my last 15done 😄 its a lotery with PSF, did 14 for +2 but doing a 15 is.. unlucky

[blazing ridge]

Overtimed a priory 15 by 8 seconds yesterday

Unfortunately it was the last try as I head into vacation for 2 weeks now. But getting back refreshed for s3 is gonna be OK I guess 🙂

[frozen cipher]

Noob question.... Why does everyone like the aoe stun knock up over just the normal aoe stun? Does the knockup have an extra effect to it?

[pallid quiver]

It has the magical effect of not being affected by stun DR

[gentle violet]

Yoyo - What’s the question? 🙂

[frosty mango]

Someone above was asking if you’re going to play/content create pwar for s3

[gentle violet]

Definitely will be at minimum main alting it. Good chance it’s my main again though cause it’s looking SUPREME right now.

So most likely will still have content for it, yessir.

I love Pwar 🙌🏼

[karmic plinth]

with it and rumbling earth you have a 20 s cd knock up that won't be easily dred

[gentle violet]

I only hung up Pwar for this season a few weeks ago. (family emergency happened) otherwise I would have pushed on it until the last day of S2 but some IRL stuff got in the way.

[frosty mango]

🍻

[idle copper]

I feel like sigil of silence groups packs significantly easier

[frosty mango]

This is only true until you realize disrupting has a 14 yard range

So you can hit most things if you stand strategically

[pallid quiver]

If it's about grouping, sigil's better since not everything necessarily instant casts, so you might have to wait/attempt to sync cast/etc as compared to "ha ha i drop funny pattern"

[frosty mango]

Sigil of chains is great though

Give me champ spear sigil of chains tbh

Make it do less damage, wider aoe, big ol group collapse

[cerulean tusk]

That would step on the toes of BDK, and their raidbuff

so...

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[plush tendon]

Spear is already pretty good for what it is

more of a PVP thing though

but there are some uses

[frosty mango]

Just delete bdk and give us their kit problem solved

[frosty mango]

If it were good then people would use it

[plush tendon]

competes with Droar which is just easier

[frosty mango]

Give us sigil of chains or give us death

[thorn dune]

2 questions on my hunt for a Tank I am able to play: 1. is Pwarr expected to play Thane or Colossus? 2. Do you send demolish immediately or do you stack up before the first use?

[plush tendon]

but its fun to use in ToP

with the jumpy dudes

and its obviously a great PVP talent

[plush tendon]

you can play either and Im pretty sure you just send demolish

[mellow bridge]

1st demolish you send basically instant

right now colossus is better, for next season it's a toss-up atp

but thane can do any content as well if you dont like colossus

[thorn dune]

well I do like demolish, feels like I am doing damage, unlike many other tanks 😄

just unsure if I can get used to not being able to heal... I hate it when I rely 100% on my healer to live.

[mellow bridge]

even if you dont have much self-healing, you surviving is 99% in your hands

instead of a big hps meter you just have a big, invisible damage reduction meter

[frosty mango]

You really don’t really on your healer to live

[thorn dune]

on a scale of 1 (Brewmaster) to 10 (Blood DK) , where does a Pwarr land in terms of selfsustain

[frosty mango]

Somewhere in the middle

[mellow bridge]

even brews can live for quite a while without any help

[frosty mango]

What do you consider self sustain

[mellow bridge]

no tank needs active healer attention

[frosty mango]

Are you looking at purely hps? The ability to stay alive?

[thorn dune]

I want to know if I can finish a boss if the healer dies or if I am just dying at a slow rate

[frosty mango]

Then in that case warrior is just like any other tank?

It’s unlikely a boss can kill you

Unless you play incorrectly

[thorn dune]

bad example you are right 😄

[frosty mango]

Warrior is going to do less hps than a blood dk but also we’re taking far less damage

[mellow bridge]

you arent going to be 100% self sufficient but any random aoe healing will be enough to keep you going basically

same story for every tank other than AR dh

[frosty mango]

When you consider that we have 100% block uptime which is probably functionally halving most our our damage intake, then you stack on leech and ignore pain/fbv, warriors are relatively sturdy without a healer

You have last stand and impending victory to replenish health and assuming you are using wall and demo effectively you are just as capable of not dying without a healer as any other tank

There are exceptions - anything that stacks bleeds/dots on you

[thorn dune]

ok I have to try that out as best I can (only 645 atm and not much time to gear up anymore)

one more question I ask in every tank discord: What do you care about when you pull a pack ? (I mean what is your bread and butter thing to focus on to not die or wipe that is not just "don't turn your back")

[agile elbow]

Gearing up at this point is kinda moot. I'd just wait until S3.

[frosty mango]

People like to talk about self sustain but most of the time they’re really only thinking in terms of hps, when tank effective hp is probably better measurement

[cerulean tusk]

BOLSTER VALUE INTENSIFIES

[frosty mango]

Unironically directionality and positioning ARE the most important things

If you have shield block up and you are facing mobs it’s unlikely you enter danger territory

Almost every time a tank says “I’m dying on trash” it’s either low shield block uptime or hit in the back

There’s really no other major factors to play around. Keep shield block up, keep mobs in front of you.

[cerulean tusk]

Who triggered Roid to go on a rant about shieldblock?

Shame on u

[frosty mango]

I do love my shield

[toxic gyro]

Don’t pull based on what you can survive, but around what group can survive. Don’t be that asshole that pulls like he’s in mdi with 0 crowd control.
Get automarker with small changes have like 3-4 markers and assign kicks to dps before key. Majority of your keys gonna be way smoother.

[proven stratus]

Luv me shield

Hate mages (not classist just don't like em)

Simple as

[thorn dune]

I never overpull , until the 2,8k rio hunter spam pings more packs...

[frosty mango]

That’s ok just play nelf

[proven stratus]

Diabolical

[frosty mango]

And when he pulls you shadowmeld

Then you spam the warning ping of shame on him

[cerulean tusk]

I love doing boosting runs with muppets that ping for me to pull more - while they are hard struggling to pull more than 3m on 15 targets already

[toxic gyro]

I just shadowmeld when bozos pull for me, and politely tell them that I know better than them what to pull and that they’re more than welcome to tank if the want to

[cerulean tusk]

Ping ping ping

[frosty mango]

You gotta hit them with the “oh I thought you were tanking”

[thorn dune]

well they usually follow up with "*****" and leave

[frosty mango]

my bad

https://tenor.com/view/andy-andy-dwyer-parks-and-rec-parksandrec-my-bad-gif-10672222362693713795

[cerulean tusk]

When the shitters leave, you just shrug and keep pulling

Their DPS wont be missed

[frosty mango]

Don’t worry about what your dps are doing

Pull consistently, keep block up and keep mobs in front of you. Use your defensives early not late

[thorn dune]

can't wait for the penalty system where they first start shittalking me to convince people to ff like in League ....

[solid sun]

Sword icon pugs are not allowed any opinions

They’re fortune to even be there as far as I’m concerned

[thorn dune]

do you save shieldwall or send it on pull you know are difficult?

[cerulean tusk]

That is when you do the powermove of:
ignore chat and just keep pulling

[frosty mango]

The most dangerous part of any pull is the gather

I shield wall every pull

At the start

[thorn dune]

😄 it's up again?

[cerulean tusk]

Same, especially make sure to wall if it is a multidirectional gather

[frosty mango]

Almost without exception - unless I need to hold it for a boss like dailcry or big momma I am full sending wall every pack

[solid sun]

One of the more common mistakes I found myself making this past season was not respecting how quick shield wall’s cd is

[frosty mango]

I checked a random 16 priory log I did

I cast shield wall 33 times

Spell reflect 51

Pump those defensives

[thorn dune]

Oh I love spell reflect. It's so satisfying

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/be-strong-flex-muscles-skinny-little-giants-gif-1009168922329559646

[jagged gust]

So why is brm good suddenly?

[cerulean tusk]

same reason Pwarrior was suddenly good

"those are talents we can use?" hits the public

[nocturne spindle]

I mean

Brm got a rework

Prot is mostly just tier and bleed buffs

[ashen kestrel]

anyone ever had issues with the traps on the first pull of priory? I usually have 0 issue because im standing still in the corner, but just bricked a key getting hit by 2 of them

just wondering if theres anything differently i can do here to avoid this happening again

it was almost like there were throwing them right at me and i coudlnt see / avoid them - second one overlapped with the buster and shield wall was like 3 secs off being up

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/kLoG2ZE1m4ULOGKS_?invite=cr-MSwzc2gsMjY5NDgzMDQ3

might just be worth pulling the extra caster pack from the middle after and only pullnig one for the middle beacon at the start, think theres 3 shooters in this pull

[nocturne spindle]

your not fully in the corner

and your wiggling around alot

make sure your actualy in the corner so you dont get moved around

[toxic gyro]

And why are you not playing bsv?

[nocturne spindle]

and stop wiggling around and you wont clip the ones near you

[ashen kestrel]

i am

[toxic gyro]

I didn’t see it proc at all. My bad, everything so small on phone.

[ashen kestrel]

procced on the first trap i think

[ashen kestrel]

yeah i honestly dk why i do this, i have a bad habit of moving more that i should when fighting - i need to try and break it - i think it comes from playing a lot of fps games

[nocturne spindle]

yea if the group is where you want it to be you just have to actually stop moving, since mobs are jank and wiggling makes them mvoe to weird spots sometimes

[jagged gust]

Well you kinda gotta constantly reposition in situations where you don't have a wall to your back

Otherwise you'll start taking back shots as the mobs squirrel their way behind you

[jagged gust]

Being able to supe up a SC or demolish with a 4 second avatar really helped me with keeping the SW CD rolling

[nocturne spindle]

thane impenetrable wall and ignore nome telling you its a bad idea

shield wall for days

[ashen kestrel]

keys like brewery i find myself doing this the most, esp in that first area with all the ground effects - i be running in circles sometimes to keep SB up

[chilly brook]

I really don’t find this being an issue

I only move because of mechanics basically lol

[warm plinth]

That's why I think everyone should have to do visions with Leaden Foot and the Burned Bridge mask

It would teach them all to stop fuckin moving needlessly XD

[chilly brook]

Or just play with an Ele sham or destro
Lock

Oh and all tanks should be required to play with a rogue at some point

Let me restealth!

[warm plinth]

Eh, I don't think having dps with targeted aoe matters

You need to have personal investment into it

When moving slows you or makes you not have anywhere to go, that's what teaches you. It's easy to disocciate yourself with earthquake or rain of fire or blizzard

[jagged gust]

Rogue tears taste the sweetest

Can't help it

[warm plinth]

It's why outlaw is the superior spec

[frosty mango]

You’re not in the corner here and you’re also moving

I didn’t read all the feedback so someone may have said that already

[ashen kestrel]

yep, its been said

[frosty mango]

The dh is standing in front of the mobs on top of you so you’re gonna get traps on you

When I’m dpsing or healing on monk and my tanks have the wiggles it makes me insane

Is there something on the ground under you? Do you need to move the mobs out of something on the ground under them? No? Stop moving then

[ashen kestrel]

i dont ever move to the point where it moves the mobs, just a little left-right pattern thats a habit that stuck from playing fps games

[frosty mango]

You don’t think you are moving them but you are

I assure you it’s intensely frustrating to any melee without extended range when you shift 1 yard to the left and the mob is no longer classified as in melee range

[chilly brook]

Won’t be next season

[ashen kestrel]

well no one has told me that yet out of 100s of keys so either everyone is super nice, but based on usual pug attitude, i imagine if i was making a problem for the group someone wouldve told me by now

also probably played 1 key with monk this tier

[chilly brook]

I bitch about tanks constantly as a dps

Just never in text to them

[frosty mango]

It’s more likely theyre just bitching in guild

[chilly brook]

Maybe one line about “restealth please”

[frosty mango]

But I 100% promise you that if you are moving so are the mobs lol

[chilly brook]

I cri about how long grouping mobs takes, chain pulls, tanks moving mobs away from my cleave target

Etc etc etc

[frosty mango]

I never say anything to tanks about it either because what’s it gonna accomplish

[jagged gust]

tanks do be sassy

[chilly brook]

Nothing because fragile ego on 90% of them

[frosty mango]

But I complain about it constantly in discord and guild lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah, the sad truth is that it's not really a good idea to criticize people in pugs, even if it's well-meaning. The chance of it being taken poorly is too high.

[frosty mango]

I never criticize I only ask if they want advice

[ashen kestrel]

do it at the end of the key in a nice manner and theyll be more receptive usually from my experience

[frosty mango]

If they said yes I’ll try to offer some if they say no, it’s their 15 dollars

[chilly brook]

Oh do I have some screenshots for you

[jagged gust]

The only time I'll consider rogues restealthing is if I see they took iron wire

its a give and take

[frosty mango]

Bitching mid key almost never works out

Unless someone is being super toxic I usually don’t

[ashen kestrel]

100% agreed, it usually has the opposite effect of self sabotaging a run that was about to be easily timed

over some stupid shit

[chilly brook]

That’s so dumb

Restealth is a massive QoL and damage gain

[frosty mango]

I also think some people just don’t want advice/aren’t ready to hear it in that case what’s the point of the conversation?

[ashen kestrel]

a lot of people with fragile egos play the game for sure

[chilly brook]

It’s literally in your best interest to let them restealth regardless of iron wire

[frosty mango]

But I’d say generally speaking when I’ve asked first and then offered advice people have been very receptive

[chilly brook]

@warm plinth last time I said something to a tank in a pug this is what happened (he was going off on the ret paladin) and it bricked the key

[jagged gust]

nah I ain't lowering the groups DPS so a rogue can feel better about their own meter, if they want me to slow down give me something in return

[chilly brook]

It doesn’t lower group dps

[ashen kestrel]

there is a lot of unwarranted advice knocking around towards tanks too at times tho

ive been gearing my prot and farming some 10s, and some of the egos in there are insane

'do this, do that, shit tank'

im timed this key on 16 brother but sure ill take the advice of someone doing this 10 for score

[frosty mango]

Nah in 10s I don’t say anything

It’s a 10

[warm plinth]

I got told I was the worst tank someone had ever seen in cinderbrew once

[frosty mango]

If someone is bad they’re probably learning

[warm plinth]

🙂

[ashen kestrel]

rite of passage

[frosty mango]

“At least I’m the best at something”

[warm plinth]

It was only my 2nd or 3rd time ever doing the key and my friend made me do it on a 12 or 13 idr

[frosty mango]

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told I bought IO, or bought CE, or accused of being brazillian(??)

[warm plinth]

Believe it or not, we didn't finish the key. I know, shocking.

[urban bane]

ya i've had pugs regularly tell me to keep myself safe when I tank weekly 12s

[ashen kestrel]

God damn Brazilian tanks always up to no good

[urban bane]

just doing standard ass shit and not pulling like a fiend

[warm plinth]

Brazilian tanks being too sexy and shit it's crazy

[cerulean tusk]

Guys this is just in - Roidberg:

• Bought his current RIO, through boosting services.
• Bought his account, for Brazillian currency.
• Is Brazillian.
• No suprise! He bought his CE, not for gold, not for money! But for... other services!!!!

More Onion News coming to you as we get them!

[chilly brook]

If you look at the top tanks they’re not typically chain pulling, they just do big individual efficient pull and then move onto the next one when it’s over

[warm plinth]

No joke though, the restealth thing is what I really like about outlaw because we get 2 charges of vanish and tons of CDR on vanish

So I can just vanish if I need to

It's a marginal loss but not worth screaming about

Quite different from sin which to my knowledge has 1 vanish and no cdr

[chilly brook]

If you’re outlaw you’re vanishing rotationally

[warm plinth]

Yes, that's what I mean

[chilly brook]

restealth affects them much less

But it’s still an extra crack shot window

But like most sin rogues are playing bleed build in your keys

[warm plinth]

I know. My point was that sin is impacted much more than outlaw by not being able to restealth between pulls.

[chilly brook]

Not giving them a restealth is a huge overall damage loss for the entire group

[solid sun]

I just don’t invite rogues

They can stealth all they want in diagonal

(I would invite doot)

[warm plinth]

My rogue is only level 77; will that be a problem?

[solid sun]

We can do timewalking

[warm plinth]

❤️

[chilly brook]

Rnino hates me 😦

[solid sun]

I don’t hate you and you’d probably be the best person in our key

But I also don’t want you whispering me the whole key about your boss damage

😂

[chilly brook]

Kekw

That’s the biggest reason I don’t like playing bleed build, boss dam really bad on that lol

[solid sun]

It’d be neat if we had like a pwar discord dungeon group

[chilly brook]

We’ve done that once or twice

[warm plinth]

specifically we did it with everyone on their giga scuffed alts

It was...an adventure

[solid sun]

lol

[chilly brook]

I’m the best paladin healer Ghash has seen NA for sure

[warm plinth]

[solid sun]

Did any of you play pwar

[warm plinth]

No I think I played brewmaster or something. I don't remember. It was a loooong time ago

in BFA

[solid sun]

Fitting the pwar squad gets together for keys and doesn’t play our spec lol

[sharp gale]

Dornhub

[solid sun]

lol

[chilly brook]

Well the stipulation was scuffed alts lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah otherwise we'd just have a squabble over who was gonna play pwar!

[solid sun]

Obviously the person with the most seniority

If this ends up being a fun season we should do it again

[jagged gust]

I still need like 3 dungeons for healer triple threat

[warm plinth]

Is triple threat specific to s2?

[jagged gust]

you know I just assumed it was

Never checked

[solid sun]

You know

I’ve only healed like three keys ever

Whenever the dragon lands mega dungeon was in the m+ pool

I did like 3 +2s

I am remarkably awful at healing

[warm plinth]

There's healing to do in a +2?

[solid sun]

Apparently

Cause people died

[warm plinth]

Nice

[frosty mango]

Yes. This

Large but discrete pulls

So everyone can be very clear on when to use cooldowns

And I always link my mdt before the run

Dragging mobs always just shafts dps with ground effect aoes and melee range

[warm plinth]

I'll drag you

😉

[solid sun]

Gotta do it if you’re gonna be a dotc bear

[frosty mango]

Like you can cut 20-30% off a ele shams overall by constantly dragging mobs out of their eq

I mained Hunter in SL when wild spirits was a thing I will never curse a dps by being a flighty tank ever again

Tank moving out of my wild spirits

https://tenor.com/view/scream-loud-scream-girl-kid-hispanic-girl-gif-3761151244536557927

[harsh musk]

weird question anyone around 680ilvl tell me there hp pool please

[solid sun]

Bout tree fiddy

[chilly brook]

18m I think

[warm plinth]

At 681.68, I have 17,538,680

[frosty mango]

18 mil ish in m+

I’m 684

684.88

So close

[jagged gust]

I could've been 685 with a pair of speed boots even, but I finally found my 2nd myth 2h like 2 weeks ago

Was stuck in arms purgatory

[warm plinth]

look at this SICK item I got

[waxen frigate]

🔥

Dude I had a full set of this on my SOM hardcore rogue

I was balling out

[warm plinth]

3 armor 🔥

[waxen frigate]

1 haste

[warm plinth]

What's 1 haste on classic, like .07%? XD

iirc it's 14 rating per % but I could be wrong; that was a long time ago

[waxen frigate]

I think it scales with level no?

Maybe not in vanilla idk

All I know is I had full blackened Defias plus the rogue bandana

[warm plinth]

You need more rating per % at higher levels

[waxen frigate]

I was DRIPPED

But died at like level 28 or smth

[warm plinth]

But vanilla capped really low because there weren't like a billion of each stat on every item

[nocturne spindle]

there were no stats in vanilla

everything was % based

like items just gave 1% crit 2% hit

etc etc

[warm plinth]

huh? No they didn't?

[dusky canopy]

Me when I say stuff

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk, that's definitely not the case though. Maybe it's some SoD thing or something? But definitely was not a thing in vanilla.

[pallid quiver]

I, too, remember getting 50% vers in vanilla off a belt

[warm plinth]

Or if it was, it was early on before I started playing

[fluid shard]

wdym there definitely was stats in vanilla

[warm plinth]

Silly Luerce, there was no vers in vanilla

smh my head

[pallid quiver]

I also remember getting scrolling up my bath towel on like 10% chance for a +7 to my weapon attack

[dusky canopy]

Shake my head my head

[pallid quiver]

See, I can just say I remember shit, too

[warm plinth]

The double shake double my double head strat

[dusky canopy]

🤣

:classic:

[warm plinth]

Oh wait it's only one shake, nvm

I concede

DPS timewalking queues are like 16 mins right now

halp

[pallid quiver]

honestly there were more stats in vanilla, since iirch there was even gear that just gave Mp5

[warm plinth]

We had spirit in vanilla

[dusky canopy]

I need my spirit!

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, which also gave Mp5

[warm plinth]

yeah

[pallid quiver]

vanilla had a lot of funny vestigial junk in it from earlier RPGs

[dusky canopy]

Vanilla was cool

[warm plinth]

I enjoyed it for the time I was there, but I have no desire to ever return.

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s not the same

[warm plinth]

I get blown away repeatedly every time I re-remember that aoe looting didn't exist until MoP

[dusky canopy]

No sense of discovery in the world or theorizing items

You know exactly what’s the best and you already know all the zones

[nocturne spindle]

idk man

they just give %

[warm plinth]

That is an exception, not a rule lol

[dusky canopy]

But ye bet experiencing og vanilla was like no other

[nocturne spindle]

what

[warm plinth]

I promise you that there were stats on vanilla items

[nocturne spindle]

find me a secondary stat rating item besides attack power

you are incorrect

[pallid quiver]

Mp5 and spellpower stuff are also stats

[nocturne spindle]

yes spell and attack power are the exception

crit hit etc etc

are all %

[pallid quiver]

Ah, yes, anything that proves me wrong is an exception

pike off with that reasoning

[mighty valley]

this is correct, there were no "ratings"

until tbc prepatch

[nocturne spindle]

i mean i said besides attack power above

sorry for not saying spell power too

lmao

[pallid quiver]

That lack of rating thing led to a lot of funny things; secondaries weren't a real established thing

[mighty valley]

we thought of primary stats as "stats" and then everything else was. idk. we didn't really have a word for it

[pallid quiver]

there was just stats

[dusky canopy]

His initial mention was that vanilla didn’t have stat rating they had percent instead

[pallid quiver]

So Mp5 is a stat the just has a value; strength just had a value, res had a value

[pallid quiver]

No, he said everything has percents

[warm plinth]

we don't speak of resilience out loud ty

[pallid quiver]

which is incorrect for the largest majority of stats in vanilla

[nocturne spindle]

lets exclude the part where we are talking about secondary stats

[mighty valley]

yeah i think this is pedantic, he meant ratings

for the things that now have ratings

[frosty mango]

I don’t think there was haste in classic

Anyways

There was attack speed iirc?

[mighty valley]

i think there were some really rare auto attack speed modifiers

[pallid quiver]

There's technically always some form of attack speed due to swing timers

[warm plinth]

were vanilla items given secondary stats when tbc hit then? Because I swear I remember that conversion rate of 14 crit = 1%

[mighty valley]

yeah, in prepatch

[pallid quiver]

Ye

[mighty valley]

they redid everything, to make sure that 2% crit items from vanilla didn't have eternal value lol

[pallid quiver]

That's why rating became a thing at all, to help ensure you kept getting new gear

[warm plinth]

So then it must be ac ombination of me not remember the brief period prior to the prepatch and then tbc making things have stats

[pallid quiver]

instead of having to raid 2 xpac old content for your bis

[nocturne spindle]

can you imagine

lionheart helm

being bis to today

lmao

[warm plinth]

I started in october of 2006 which I don't think was that far before prepatch

[pallid quiver]

Or do really jank shit like in older MMOs for gearing prog

[frosty mango]

There was no secondary stats for offense in vanilla as far as I remember.

[pallid quiver]

There wasn't even really a secondary distinction afaik; there were just stats

[mighty valley]

it would either be that or we'd just end up with like. a 76% crit helm coming out

[pallid quiver]

we'd need to install double crits

which would also lead to damage ramping really fast, too

[mighty valley]

we didn't really have the term but you could get raw attack power on items, raw spell power, etc

[pallid quiver]

We'd have gotten the SoO Garrosh HP problem even sooner than we did

[mighty valley]

in addition to crit and hit

[nocturne spindle]

there kinda was a disctinction

[frosty mango]

You had crit, hit, arpen, and attack speed

[nocturne spindle]

base stats were white text on items

[pallid quiver]

Arpen was WotLK iirc

[nocturne spindle]

"secondary" stats were green text

[warm plinth]

I don't think there was armor penetration until later

[frosty mango]

Attack power was your base scaling and it was t a rating

[pallid quiver]

As a way to adjust for scaling on melee

[frosty mango]

Your main stat converted to attack power

[mighty valley]

prim stats derived into other things (for warr, str was 2ap, agi 1ap and some small amount of crit, etc)

[warm plinth]

yeah

I remember that

[undone beacon]

I’m dumping all my other stats for multistrike kthanks

[frosty mango]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=17076/bonereavers-edge

There was armor pen

Not a lot

[warm plinth]

I thought you meant like

[frosty mango]

But it existed

[warm plinth]

the armor pen stat

[mighty valley]

arpen was around, then more in tbc, then tons more in wotlk

[warm plinth]

It was not around as a stat in vanilla is what I was meaning

[pallid quiver]

Most arpen wasn't like a stat, instead more like a shredding effect iirc

[frosty mango]

Ele sham multi strike big gains

[warm plinth]

I'm glad I was on a break during the whole multistrike phase of the game

[pallid quiver]

I might be wrong on that, since it definitely wasn't a major consideration until wotlk, but

[warm plinth]

That shit is probably why they canned reforging

[frosty mango]

They got rid of multistrike because it was the same thing as crit

I press button, it does extra damage

[warm plinth]

fml

[mighty valley]

reforging wasn't good for the game

[nocturne spindle]

i can imagine a multistrike stat fucking with procs

unless it just didnt work that way

[mighty valley]

at best it was a necessary evil

[nocturne spindle]

and was literally just crit 2.0

[frosty mango]

It was just crit 2.0

[nocturne spindle]

wasnt reforging only around when like

hit caps still existed

and that would be really fucking annoying to not have reforge

[frosty mango]

Yeah but that was all the way through mop

Reforging was huge in mop

They removed it in wod I believe?

[mighty valley]

yeah, that's why i say necessary evil

and it was correct to fix the underlying problem

and remove the annoying system

[pallid quiver]

The real underlying problem is needing bland, raw stat gear at all

[mighty valley]

i do think the gear system has gotten pretty stale

it's just genuinely hard to make something more exciting in a game like wow

[pallid quiver]

Anything that is exciting runs the risk of being effectively required for content, or else it might trivialize the content

[warm plinth]

raw stats are easier to balance

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/rpg-diablo-iv-diablo4-exp-gif-8588200115924497023

the monkey paw curls

[warm plinth]

man that kinda makes me want to play d3

[jagged gust]

I played D3 until I found out about zDPS builds

Something about pressing shield charge 32 thousand times in a single map made it feel less fun

Or whatever the D3 equivalent ability was called

[mighty valley]

i think the real solution to make games feel exciting again is to offer brain surgery for selective memory removal

like maybe give away one free brain wipe with the game, can buy more from a cash shop

[dusky canopy]

I wholeheartedly wish I could forget certain games just to be able to re experience them

Skyrim

Elden ring

[jagged gust]

wow

Imagine how cool retail wow would be if your last gaming experience was like, Crash Bandicoot for the PS1

[warm plinth]

idk what that is

[dusky canopy]

Would be insane

[jagged gust]

zero DPS, your entire kit was focused on gathering all the mobs in a m+ dungeon and CCing them for 20 minutes straight

I can't remember what their dungeons were called, shards or something?

[dusky canopy]

Bring back keg toss

[strong forum]

Rifts in D3

And in d4 it's pit for pushing, nightmare sigils and tribute runs for mats

[warm plinth]

I assume that was more of a group setting thing, since how would you finish the rift if you never killed anything

and they have a 15 minute timer

[jagged gust]

a little exaggeration is necessary for discussing anything blizz related

Yeah it was a group thing, but you were kind of forced into groups at a certain point if you wanted to advance, and groups at a certain point were either meta or no invite

some things never change

[mighty valley]

this is what the brain eraser is for

to reset us all whenever a meta emerges

[warm plinth]

I've never played d3 in groups other than maybe running a rift with a friend occasionally. It's frankly more enjoyable on your own lol

[jagged gust]

Yeah eventually you find yourself running +124s to add another .1% modifier onto a gem pressing a one button rotation

And it's just not how I want that game to be played

I much prefer playing for the goated cutscenes these days

[warm plinth]

Man, who was in charge of picking the classic tw rotation

Because I want to have words with them

[jagged gust]

ask em to take legion out of the rotation pls

[warm plinth]

having even 1 dire maul was already a crime

And they put both

[pallid quiver]

Two of the three, thanks

[warm plinth]

Fine fine

I repressed that there were 3

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[tribal wharf]

let me guess

it was crypto?

[oblique garnet]

Probably

[pallid quiver]

worse

it was krypto, the super dog

[oblique garnet]

Didnt even look just saw the 3 pictures

[warm plinth]

It was actually me on my alt account; I just wanted to see Late

Jkjk

[solid sun]

Late did you bake a pie

[tribal wharf]

i mean, it sure looked like crypto, cellphone with a computer screen and +2500 usd on the phone

[warm plinth]

Most likely; it's a very common spam so I don't really look at it anymore. I just yeet

or report to be yeeted

[oblique garnet]

No i got called in to work so now i have 6 days in a row of evening shifts

[warm plinth]

Gross

[oblique garnet]

Ngl i kinda like it

[warm plinth]

Are you playing WoW currently?

[oblique garnet]

Nah ive only been playing single player games now when i have time off

[warm plinth]

Gotcha. Anything interesting?

[oblique garnet]

I did replay cyberpunk again just casually grinding out everything, got wuchan from gamepass but havent played much yet so havent gotten used to the mechanics

[warm plinth]

Nice nice. As long as you're having fun gaming

[oblique garnet]

Its also been really nice summer so ive just been chilling at beach and elsewhere

[solid sun]

I heard cyberpunk is significantly improved from launch

If wuchan is the new souls like game I haven’t heard good things but hopefully that’s just people being silly

[strong forum]

Cyberpunk is amazing

Easily one of my fav games of all time

Even moreso if you got a good rig to max out the graphics

It's a feast for the eyes

[neon elk]

You are feast for eyes

[undone beacon]

Love wins in the prot warr discord

[frosty mango]

I know

Smoked meat, house plants

Good vibes

[warm plinth]

Smoked houses

[frosty mango]

We’re so wholesome

[warm plinth]

Too soon?

[frosty mango]

Got a good laugh there

Poor harrow

[warm plinth]

Love you @mighty valley hope everything is going well

[mighty valley]

LOL

❤️

my wife and I were making grimmer jokes like... the day of the fire

one hilarious detail: we got a quote for roof replacement that day

and we got to be like

"We're not gonna be requiring your services at this time after all"

[warm plinth]

Should've been like, okay now how much for the part you put the roof on? You know, the house.

[mighty valley]

Can we just get that for free orrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[warm plinth]

"That quote includes ALL the materials right?"

[frosty mango]

Someone give me some other games to play

I think I’ve finally exhausted myself for this season

[pallid quiver]

so hear me out

you get a ps4, and you make a JP PSN account

and you get a wonderful game titled Cyber Troopers Virtual-On Masterpiece

[frosty mango]

I have a ps4

[pallid quiver]

he's on the right track

[frosty mango]

This game looks like armored core

[pallid quiver]

it does not at all play like armored core

It's a collection of 3 of the old Virtual-On arcade games, which are arena fighter type games

Oratorio Tangram is the 2nd and best imo, because go fast

[frosty mango]

Did you ever play xenogears?

Does it play like the mech battle arena in that?

[pallid quiver]

It's been on my to-do list for almost two decades now

No

It's a lot closer to the Gundam Vs games

[frosty mango]

Oh you need to move it to the top

[torn gulch]

and prot warrior got nothing again

on ptr

[mighty valley]

Sweet

[urban bane]

vdh dam buffed.
beare dam buffed.
blood dam buffed.

[torn gulch]

tbh bear needed it

[urban bane]

yeah that one is fair haha.

[torn gulch]

no idea about the other 2

bear was hitting like a cub on ptr

[harsh trellis]

We got this...

Protection
Spellbreaker has been updated – Now has an 8% chance to affect a magic damage event, but reduces damage taken by 50%.

[cerulean tusk]

behold the rise of the new meta

bow down to the power of BDK

for it has come to take your spot

[safe jolt]

And VDH gets 5%. But prot is perfect as is ❤️

[agile elbow]

Lmao

How can we fix the tank issues? Better buff VDH by 8%

[safe jolt]

If VDH is fine, fueled by violence is fine at 200% 😏

[agile elbow]

[inland garnet]

Isn't this a net nerf to VDH dmg? Beyond armour

[dense crater]

net buff

[frosty mango]

@undone beacon those bear buffs

😋

No war change is good change imo

[undone beacon]

i mean hey ill take a 12% aura buff lmao

as the kids say, we are so back

[pallid quiver]

nuh-uh

[undone beacon]

damn you're right we're so not back

[errant leaf]

i dont understand

they give 8% to vdh which is very strong spec already

and the same 8% to bdk

who are beyond trash lmao

[agile elbow]

The mastery nerf is huge to vdh though

[solid sun]

Bdk isn’t trash because of damage afaik

[errant leaf]

ye wut thats part of the problem

[solid sun]

Nah bdk just sucks

[thick dust]

Its fine its more about how they dont care, class plays same for very long time, sanlayn as bdk is cringe af still imo and in tww we gor some nerfs cos dps dk was good

And also imo its more complicated tank in tank spectrum

[mellow bridge]

It shouldn't because the AP conversion is a diff thing

This will nerf mastery further defensively when it's already quite a bit behind

Literal nonsense change lol

[frosty mango]

Vdh prob nerf overall

I think dh peeps were saying it will be about a wash?

[solid sun]

Did Brew receive anything

Positive or negative

[vivid orchid]

nothing

[mellow bridge]

What, no lol

[solid sun]

I’m glad bears will be the new top damage dealers @undone beacon

[mellow bridge]

It's a straight dmg buff

And a very small defensive nerf as you run close to 0 mastery anyways

[vivid orchid]

you dont stack mastery ^ yea

[jagged gust]

In a sense makes their S3 scaling worse

start hitting DRs pretty consistently at this point

Also side note, we have way too many applications for the term DR

[mellow bridge]

You're not gonna hit relevant DRs in 3 stats

So they'll just grab some vers which was already the play anyways lol

Just makes the gearing process more annoying while farming the right pieces

Whack

[jagged gust]

hmm, it's like a meta nerf

[solid sun]

We should all just make a gentlemen’s agreement to not play vdh

And not invite vdh

[jagged gust]

Personally I don't invite DKs of any class

I already used my veto card on them

Well actually unholy is fine in my books, it's just the other two that make me cringe

[torn gulch]

lol the tank cloak effect buffed by 200%

i knew it it was so shit before it had to be buffed

[warm plinth]

Oh no guys. We won't have access to in-game voice chat for an hour

[torn gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[waxen frigate]

Gotta reschedule my ERP sesh now :/

[warm plinth]

ikr

[runic granite]

Blood DK could lose like 3 buttons and still be more complicated than average

[undone verge]

my 100% true and un-arguable opinion about blood dk is that the deathstrike healing is super satisfying, but their damage filler rotation is pretty unfufilling and boring. At least with warrior I get to get excited about abilities like shieldcharge and colosis and ravager, but with DK its like "oh my drw is up, now I can do more passive damage!"

[warm plinth]

HEART STRIKE HEART STRIKE HEART STRIKE HEART STRIKE

[open drift]

do we know what hero talent tree we gonna play in raid?

[undone verge]

"OH BOY IT PROC'D FOR SLIGHTLY MORE DAMAGE AND RESOURCES!"

[warm plinth]

XD

[obsidian adder]

Hey a question do I active using IP? A friend told me no but that sounds wrong

[cerulean tusk]

Use IP when you:

1. need to dump rage
2. to negate damage

If you don't get what 2) entails and you haven't played Pwarrior enough yet? Don't worry, just so #1

Tldr: rage going over 80? Use IP

[frosty mango]

super satisfying until you take damage more than your max health

and then its really unsatisfying

[obsidian adder]

Thanks @cerulean tusk 🙂

Yes started for 1 week

[open drift]

so in thane, you wanna press IP over revenge? Would that not be a damage loss?

[warm plinth]

It's not really like that. It's more that you have a lot fewer available globals for revenge because you press TC so much, which means you have to press IP more to not overcap rage.

[open drift]

ah i see TY

[warm plinth]

You can still press Revenge if you have the option

But you just don't prioritize it over TC/SS

[open drift]

awesome ty boss, Im assuming we are gonna play thane in raid?\

[warm plinth]

We don't know. We have no sims so it's hard to say at this point.

[runic granite]

TC generates rage, revenge spends it

and we TC a lot as thane

[minor lark]

Seems Thane is more smooth to play honestly. Picked up prot about a month ago, and the rage generation just leads to much smoother gameplay, im m+ at least

[mighty valley]

yeah you have to think a little more on colossus

when your brain is smooth, that's not ideal

[dense remnant]

"If shield slam is on cd, press revenge" gets you quite far on colo

[mighty valley]

i did say "a little more"

but there are times where rage income is slow and you should maybe spend a gcd on clap

[dense remnant]

True, still gotta aim the revenge 😄

[mighty valley]

i def think more new prot warriors rage starve and miss gcds on colossus than thane

[dense remnant]

Ye, thane felt kinda ooga booga nice when first picking up prot. Just smashing ss, tc, ip buttons constantly while focusing on other things about learning basic tanking things

[frosty mango]

If I can’t press slam or revenge, press clap

[neon elk]

Im happy we didnt get nerfed but am i only one thats kinda sad we didnt get any buff either ? Like something somewhere at least

[warm plinth]

Don't feel like we needed a buff

[undone verge]

we're in a pretty solid state atm

[neon elk]

Yea im just sad to swap over to MT i guess

[undone verge]

fair enough

[sharp gale]

Tbf I’m just sad bc shockwave bump

[undone verge]

I havnt interacted with the gameplay this season a ton so I dont really know how we are feeling talent wise

I heard Spell reflect is getting 86'd