protection

[jagged pier]

thats always a big one

[frosty mango]

Which is a terrible play for warriors not highly skilled

[jagged pier]

alot of ppl dont like the talent for some reason

[solid sun]

In a perfect world the people who decide to make content featuring a spec would venture to that spec's discord and make sure the information they're providing is accurate, but one of the problems there is that sometimes for all the math wizards here to verify if something is stronger than what the guide currently shows or whatever, that takes time

Content creators don't always have the luxury of waiting. Someone else might beat them to the punch with a video just shooting from the hip

[jagged pier]

what also gets me is when ppl that follow murlok io etc think most of the players got there on their own with talent choices etc, when really its just they see what the person who did it first took

and take that

the filter down effect is real

we saw it in SL really clearly, when Andy decided he would just play warrior to get rank1 with nomers talents so the wowhead build

guess what

[frosty mango]

I’m never gonna be running +20s on the bleeding edge of content, I don’t have the time. I’ll do 16-18 equiv each season, do my best to be knowledgeable and share that knowledge but realistically let’s say I made a stream. No one would watch it lol

[jagged pier]

a day later every one had changed

[frosty mango]

I do have some ideas on leveraging AI and machine learning for better class response data and player teaching tools but it’s very expensive to develop lol

[solid sun]

I feel like in order to gain viewership in something like wow m+ you either need to be very good at the game so people want to watch you and marvel at what they're seeing accomplished, or provide a peasant PoV and be super entertaining so it's fun to watch you fail or succeed depending on what happens

[opaque yarrow]

Guys is Mountain Thane viable versus Colossus (currently)? I'm still newish to prot warr and everywhere I look is colossus. But I want that huge thunder clap mountain king fantasy.

[jagged pier]

yes

[opaque yarrow]

Thanks. Honestly just needed to hear at least one person say that lol

[frosty mango]

I would really like to build an llm that is rag augmented with class guide information. Then as the season goes on the there is a delta between what top folks are choosing and what class experts recommend, that could be easily identified by the model, and then rationale could be added to the augmentation data.

A tool like this could be hosted by wowhead or wcl and it would give players an insanely powerful way to consume information that is both current, and vetted, and help explain the delta they see between guides and top players

It would give them perspective

I had some working prototypes but running rag at scale in the cloud is prohibitively expensive for an individual

If blizzard were smart they’d be employing guide writers and doing this already

[jagged pier]

i mean ion said they dont know the classes as well as the TCs of the spec nowadays

[thin finch]

thats really cool, one thing that would be amazing is an llm that could read your logs and give feedback on what you should improve

[frosty mango]

Yea but that doesn’t mean they can’t 1099 employ them

[frosty mango]

Wowanalyzer already does this for the most part

[jagged pier]

i mean they keep firing ppl to have better profits

i doubt they are looking to hirer

[frosty mango]

Yeah such is captialism

[thin finch]

does it? it aways says to me it hasnt be updated for prot warrior

[frosty mango]

I made the joke that midnight was probably built by one dude in a coffee shop with a MacBook vibe coding the entire thing

[frosty mango]

Yeah some kind soul needs to update it

Honestly I may be able to? I’m sure it’s within my skillset I just don’t know if I have the time

[jagged pier]

yes someone need to update it, no one can be bothered, so its not realiable for us

[nocturne spindle]

i mean they probably wouldnt even need to pay TCs

[solid sun]

I'll update it :)

[nocturne spindle]

i bet if the dev for class reached out with every change to the TCs theyd all help for free lmao

[jagged pier]

you will get better feedback and advice posting alog in here than going to wowanylser anyway imo

[frosty mango]

I’m sure you could train a model to do basic log analysis

[solid sun]

Don't you think they're too busy working out, eating right, traveling, and having their pictures taken?

[frosty mango]

Wcl is probably already considering something like that honestly

Or at least I would be, that’s their bread and butter, big data analysis

[frosty mango]

Yeah that’s why they’re so expensive to maintain

[jagged pier]

if theres one thing im proud of in this discord is the video i made in SLs on how to read logs for prot warrior and it taught enough ppl that its still filtered down to now

with ppl learning from the ppl i showed/taught in SLs

[frosty mango]

The interaction is the important part

That’s why

[jagged pier]

ye talking about it > than just reading

[lofty warren]

Mt not benefit from bleeding healing 11.2?

Rip pwar back down at the bottom

[distant meadow]

Really think it'll be that bad?

[solid sun]

no

[jagged pier]

no

stop bring up that video please its one persons opinion based on their own opinon and feelcrafty

[jagged pier]

not as much because it doesnt have the tier set colossus does

[nocturne spindle]

were terrible plz buff blizzard

[frosty mango]

Is google sheets the new tier list

[solid sun]

Pepega just lives for tier lists

Can't be helped

[frosty mango]

Can someone make a spreadsheet of all the tier lists

Then we can rank them

[small steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316141692230959195/1392678980276064379/image0.gif

[jagged pier]

I dont watch enough wow yt to know allt he tier lists

[small steeple]

replace chrome with pepega, and ram with tierlist

[lofty warren]

Is that legal to have an ss of tier lists?

[mellow bridge]

one day pepega will be muted

[lofty warren]

But for real is colossas ahead of Mt for m+ in 11.2? Partly bc they have lower healing from bleeds

[small steeple]

at this point, with current tuning, mt vs col will likely be dungeon dependent

for s3

[mighty valley]

sense was saying earlier that he thinks it's a thane season if nothing changes

[frosty mango]

May be a thane only play if we stay where we are

When I went back through early this week thane felt pretty good - at no point did I feel like I needed the fbv healing and I was pulling pretty big

Although colossus also felt fine, it just did slightly less dps, but they were super close for me

[lofty warren]

Don't remember why everything changed from Mt after s1 was it bx Mt nerfed?

[frosty mango]

I could see colossus being a play on like, dawn or ara Kara

[lofty warren]

All of s1 was mt

[mighty valley]

the rage rework and talent adjustments ended up slightly nerfing thane and massively helping colossus damage

[frosty mango]

Also before they nerfed revenge colossus was just far and away ahead in damage

Like if they hadn’t nerfed the hero talents for it, we’d be doing 3.5m-4m overalls in dungeons and thane would be so far below

I think thane got closer after the nerf but there was carryover from that

[nocturne spindle]

am i crazy with this

drop ravagar stuff grab indom?

[mellow bridge]

indom is pretty weak

ravager is a lot of rage and good dam

[solid sun]

What key level are you doing?

[shut summit]

i wouldn't drop ravager proc, is way too strong

if you really want indom i would drop EA

[solid sun]

is BSV actually needed?

[shut summit]

as needed as it ever is

[nocturne spindle]

idk im just thinking

[shut summit]

always up the person / content they are doing

[nocturne spindle]

i was at like 18s this season so whatever that is next season

[jagged pier]

Yes whirling baldes is insane right now and indom still googoo

[urban portal]

is that AM linking directly to rav

but doesnt actually affect rav

thats so dump lol

dumb

[jagged gust]

They buffed demo for arms and just kinda slipped a buff under the table to prot

Also colo was always better

[lofty warren]

If i remember mt was better defensively?

[jagged gust]

In much the same way it still is

Mt makes far better use of indom, and just naturally has perma IP uptime

Not to mention the TB DR passive

Which tbh in S3 is gonna be pretty dang good

[idle copper]

Your running with FBV in ptr?

[frosty mango]

Not as thane

I did on first iteration, I tried both

I did eco dome 14 as thane with bv and we pulled pretty big and it felt very safe

My healer did need to crank 4.5m hps on the last boss tho

Colo w fbv felt similarly safe on trash

I really don’t think self sustain/tankiness is something most people need to worry about

It’s far more likely you did to not using your defensives properly than to bleeding out to white hits because we’re not tuned properly (highly unlikely)

[idle copper]

Dumb it down a bit for me if needed please. BV is giving better survability through bigger IPs than what you would get from the healing of FBV or there is another angle to it?

[idle copper]

TB DR passive?

[fervent thorn]

Yah it is a hero talent

[idle copper]

Ah the dmg reduction?

[fervent thorn]

Ye

Think it was a choice node but idk for sure

[frosty mango]

Ignore pain will naturally fall off as you tank because of all of white mobs hitting you. Brv lets you funnel damage into your ip shield keeping it up longer. As colossus you are not expending much rage on ip therefore the incidence of the application is lower. You have less opportunity to push damage into it

As thane you are constantly pressing ip to expend rage so brv gets much more value

[idle copper]

Smashing ty

[frosty mango]

Also colossus is much heavier on bleeds so fbv gets more mileage, especially with the tier bonus

[idle copper]

PTR - Thane people running Champions spear or Thunderous Roar?

[frosty mango]

I ran spear but tbh I’m not sure there’s a big difference

[idle copper]

Cool, I kinda like the 45 sec cd on TR

[frosty mango]

I think spear is mathematically more damage with optimal play but roar has great gather value and is far more forgiving

Assuming they’re close when we go live I’ll honestly prob play roar bc we’re losing ravager as gather and I want something to help stick

[idle copper]

Your running whirling blades?

[frosty mango]

Yeah at current tuning it’s just vastly better

Imo we’ll see some changes to either its proc rate or hardcast ravager damage before live to bring the two more into line with each other

[bleak breach]

Correct

Spear is in theory better but harder to line up

If you were running bloodborne I’d run roar though, if running execute run spear

[frosty mango]

Roar generally just fits m+ better imo

[bleak breach]

I will probably run blood borne in keys even if playing thane

Yeah 100%

[frosty mango]

It’s just a more functional skill

[bleak breach]

Can roar every pack

[jagged gust]

I haven't bothered mathing anything, but with the new tier set this may not still be true due to the interaction with Thunderous Words

oh wait Thane has a different tier

[bleak breach]

Which interaction William

[jagged gust]

Disregard

[bleak breach]

Oh yeah we were talking thane sorry

[jagged gust]

Oh no only comprehending half of a comment is my eternal curse

[frosty mango]

Still 50% better than the people comprehending 0 comment

[bleak breach]

Does anyone know what spec is actually performing better at the moment?
I’ve done a little bit on both but they seemed super close on adjustments and couldn’t get sims to work.

[frosty mango]

If by performing you mean strictly damage, thane, by a little

[bleak breach]

In both situations?

Like ST and Aoe

[frosty mango]

As far as I could tell yes but it’s really hard to get a clear picture on the ptr

[bleak breach]

Yeah, I was having similar issues.

[frosty mango]

One was not drastically better so it’s muddy

[bleak breach]

Felt like thane was ahead but hard to get a full grasp in ptr

[jagged gust]

I prefer thane on bosses

[bleak breach]

I think Thane is much easier for the average player to do well on too

[frosty mango]

Colossus also may feel “worse” for some people because people are very bad at sending shield slam on cd and a lot of colossus damage is baked into that now with new tier

Like you could actually lose a considerable amount of dps by drifting shield slams

[bleak breach]

I don’t think it really changes gameplay though

Like you always sent SS on cd anyway

Even current tier, once you had it you had to spam SS

[frosty mango]

Yeah but people are really bad at this so they get on the ptr with new tier set and compare to thane and colossus seems way worse relatively

Because they are not getting tier set uptime like they should

[bleak breach]

Fair

[frosty mango]

It’s anecdotal but I 100% know that would be a major play issue for many if colossus ends up being the recommended spec

Because it’s not intuitive to press shield slam in aoe

Over revenge

[small steeple]

must just be my long time pwar brain but it is always intuitive to me to just press SS always when off cd

[frosty mango]

For most players the instinct is probably “there are many mobs what hits all the mobs”

[small steeple]

i mean, wouldnt that be "what generator hits aoe? TC"

[frosty mango]

Don’t think most players think in terms of builder spender as much as “press all the buttons that do aoe damage as much as possible when there are multiple targets”

I’m generalizing but, how many people come here and ask “why is my damage low” and the answer is “press more shield slam”

[small steeple]

i find this is more spend outburst on SS instead of TC tho

[frosty mango]

In aoe a lot of times people will revenge over ss which leads to decreased rage gen which leads to less revenge, which is downward spiral that trends your rage down

Probably gave that advice 50 times at the start of this season

[mighty valley]

Even people who know they should press it have brain blanks and miss SS resets

[torn rover]

For prot in dungeons which do yall prefer MT or Colossus?

[small steeple]

fair enough

[bleak breach]

I just play whatever pumps more

I find colossus funner to play but mountain thane is often easier to play

[torn rover]

Im just lvling figured id just ask

[bleak breach]

I’d play MT for leveling

It’s much simpler in function, especially with lower stats.

[mighty valley]

I liked leveling as colossus for the instant kill button in the open world lol

[bleak breach]

Yeah it is nice, but also you can just Thunderblast your whole quest pull

[frosty mango]

I’d honestly play arms in open world content

It’s very tanky and scales well with low hp non elites because almost all your damage is baked into mortal strike so you thunk something for 80% of its health

You guys wanna see these awesome shoes I scored today

Nothing says “attack me” like a size 15 pair of bright red rhinestone spiked loafers

Big tank energy

[solid sun]

Rhinostone*

[undone beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=142298/astonishingly-scarlet-slippers

[frosty mango]

Mine are cooler

[mighty valley]

You should bind hearthstone to clicking your heels together

[frosty mango]

I do have foot pedals

We could make this real

[small steeple]

This

[jagged gust]

foot pedals would be such a gnarly workout

SS on one, IP on another

feel the burn

ignore the pain

[frosty mango]

lol

I use them for different things depending on class

mostly ogcd stuff

[small steeple]

Brutal Vitality

[undone verge]

Damn they nuked indomitable back in 11.0 and I’m just now realizing 😂

No wonder I saw nobody taking it

[mighty valley]

Yeah

It’s both the nerfs and all the talents at the bottom of the tree being strong

Just not worth compared to the alternatives

[undone verge]

yeah, I'll have to reevaluate the talents I have atm. I hope they make UF good again, or more accurately worth taking, cause I love UF gameplay wise

I suppose I'm thinking more about our tier from DF s1 I believe with the shield slam increased proc chance. So more I want a tier set that procs off rage spent so I can run UF again it go insanostyle at the pulls with all my cooldowns

managing my rage so I wouldnt cap with a 80 rage generating shield charge while ravager was active was a fun minigame lol

wait we have violent outburst, Im a little slow

[small steeple]

UF?

[south zealot]

the talent that makes last stand increase rage generation i think

unnvering focus or some shit

[undone verge]

ye that thing

[strong forum]

unnerving was good when it didnt come at big opportunity cost

[pallid quiver]

Any talent in the game could be bad by comparison as long as the opportunity cost is too high

[strong forum]

yup

[pallid quiver]

Like, that was the main reason Brutal Vit was bad in the old talent system, but is good now, if I'm remembering right and it existed back then. It was competing with much better choices. But as soon as it was no longer really competing, guess what's good now?

[solid sun]

I read people saying that fueled by violence gains a lot more as colossus than as MT, but does it still make sense to take it as MT with the new tree since MT presses IP a lot more often than Colossus does? Seems like Brutal Vit would get "wasted" a bit?

[strong forum]

doesnt make much sense as thane

[lofty warren]

Is there a place where we can preview wowhead next patch stuff

[strong forum]

no cuz there is no preview

i aint write shit yet

and wowhead stuff only gets released on patch day

its the news articles or nuffin, if you want PTR stuff

[solid sun]

Are you going to play the new game the warframe people are making?

Soulframe or w/e

[strong forum]

i will atleast try it out

[lofty warren]

What about like a ptr/test wowhead environment (before it goes to regular wowhead.com)

[strong forum]

doesnt exist

[lime urchin]

well excuse me where do I get these?

[frosty mango]

Goodwill special

You know what they say, if the shoe fits

[frosty mango]

In my experience unless you are out gearing the content your ip will be sufficiently used to get high value from brv

[dusky canopy]

Are those dragon boots from osrs but irl

[hardy snow]

there is PTR version of wowhead, but only diff from normal is that it contains talent tree calc and some items/spells database, there are no articles made specific for this part of website or anything like that

[frosty mango]

I believe this just switches the database?

Aka when you look up a skill or anything it will pull from the associated game version database

[hardy snow]

yes, and filters out live articles I think, but remaining PTR ones are available on live version as well

so excepts databse changes there isnt anything more

[warm plinth]

@frosty mango i almost did 3 mil overall yesterday but I'm too shit and did 2.99 instead

[solid sun]

Wow dude

Why did you decide to shit the bed

[warm plinth]

I can't help it. I just see a bed and I gotta shit it

[pallid quiver]

it's because i made the bed

and i designed it to look like a toilet

[frosty mango]

That’s ok in these scenarios we just make up cope

Like

“If the dps was faster I’d be at 3” or “if the healer healed more I could have sent more shield walls offensively”

The biggest drain on your overall is dps killing bosses slowly so when in doubt just default to that

[solid sun]

Or fighting bubbles

Unless you were on ptr

Then I guess you aren’t doing that

[frosty mango]

I’m trying to break a 3m overall on my Druid and I don’t think it’s possible

Warrior is supreme zug

[warm plinth]

#JusticeForBubbles

[warm plinth]

What's top out for war? Like 3.5?

[pallid quiver]

as the healer in most of those runs, I'll complain about the latter

[frosty mango]

Rage is for damage

[frosty mango]

I’ve pulled off 4 in priory with xal buff but in your run of the mill pug I think prob avg 3.2-3.5 with higher ends around 3.5

Top is usually lowest for me around 2.8

Really just depends on the dps

I’ve gotten close to 4 in floodgate but I did very stupid unsafe pulls

Like pulling 3 trash packs into big momma and combining divers/kelps with no lust

[dark barn]

If the focus is rainding mythic asap, do you guys think prot war is a bad choice for tank? I dont know if the defensive kit is good enough.

[frosty mango]

When you say asap do you mean like world first

Or like starting mythic week one

[dark barn]

Like week three

[frosty mango]

Then prot (or any tank) will be fine

[undone beacon]

I don't knowwww sounds like it might be a good play for bearrrr

[pallid quiver]

If you are really rushing as fast as possible, the correct answer is that you have all 6 tanks on deck

[jagged pier]

i mean

the correct answer is still any tank

[pallid quiver]

That way you can just adjust for whatever the raid group needs

[jagged pier]

even if your in the raid week one

[pallid quiver]

but content is tuned so every tank can do the raid

[jagged pier]

the content is designed for all specs to finish it

[frosty mango]

This - if your tanking in a rwf guild you’ll have all the tanks geared but I haven’t seen a tier recently where there’s been a “bad” tank

[pallid quiver]

so really, your tank choice is probably best used to fill whatever buffs you don't want to stack DPS/Heals on

[frosty mango]

I actually can’t remember the last time a tank was not viable

[jagged pier]

but for the content six is doing it doesnt matter i believe they are still on mug'zee or just starting gally

[jagged pier]

never

[frosty mango]

Maybe vanilla

But even then

[jagged pier]

nope

its been proved they still were

over the years

[undone beacon]

called out lmao

[jagged pier]

just no one had the knowlegde and even then there were bear and pala tanks back then too

[pallid quiver]

The closest in recent times would have been Prot War on Sark M before the dot was blockable, but that was still doable

Just took more effort than just bringing another tank

[frosty mango]

I mean I ran with paladin tanks and bears in vanilla

[jagged pier]

well they asked questions about stuff for mug'zee prog the other day

[undone beacon]

oh you edited the message i thought they were progging heroic gally lol

[dark barn]

I know its possible. My question is more about "level of pain". A prot war could tank mythic experiments in aberrus in the past, but was a awful experience because the defensives werent good enough

[undone beacon]

I was like damn, theres some shade in that message lol

[pallid quiver]

After that, I think the next closest would have been... stuff on uhhhhhh

Rygelon? Was that his name? in SL for tanks that couldn't handle his autos well.

[jagged pier]

no your guild just wasnt using AA slows like they were supposed too

for all tanks

[pallid quiver]

unless you were RWF or RWF adjacent, that wasn't ever an actual issue'

[frosty mango]

When it comes to “which tank is best” for bleeding edge raid it really comes down to the specific fight design and how your tank utility/mit kit stacks up

There hasn’t been a fight in recent memory that I can think of that made one tank just a nonstarter

[pallid quiver]

They made the spellblock change very early on

[frosty mango]

If they made dailcry a raid boss maybe we might cry

But we’d still be ok

[pallid quiver]

Even Experiments wasn't really that bad

[undone beacon]

I'm putting my money on Brewmaster and PPal for RWF Tanks next tier. Just a feeling

[pallid quiver]

If you don't want any pain or thought on to your raid tank, just roll BDK

[frosty mango]

In raid as long as you don’t get oneshot you’ll be fine

[pallid quiver]

It's traditionally the safest option and sometimes is even soft required for encounters anyway

[frosty mango]

You have 4-5 healers to keep you alive

[undone beacon]

yeah but then you have to play bdk, gross

[pallid quiver]

the tank gets healing rain and a riptide if i hit them on accident

[dark barn]

I will rework my question: is prot war the hardest option of all six defensively wise? Im thinking thatwithout spellblock any other option have a better kit

[pallid quiver]

We'd need to ask the crystal ball for that, potentially

[frosty mango]

It’s not any harder than any of the others

[pallid quiver]

since that literally depends on when and how damage is coming out

And we don't even know how all the fights work yet, since last boss is hidden

[jagged pier]

no we have so much already

[undone beacon]

I mean, you still have the spell reflect dr for magic busters and plenty of other shit to rotate in and out with

[frosty mango]

You press shield wall when you eat a tank buster - what other optimization is really required when it comes to defensives?

[jagged pier]

what are you talking about? if u dont like warrior dont play it

[undone beacon]

If you like pwarr, play pwarr for raid. If you like another tank more or your group needs a certain buff, play that

All tanks will be raid viable

[frosty mango]

Shield block uptime is assumed, and you have two defensive options, wall and reflect

[dark barn]

Thanks for the advice

[frosty mango]

Am I taking a big hit? Press defensive

[pallid quiver]

I really like BDK thematically, and I don't actually mind their playstyle

i just need to swap out the sound effects because i don't like most of them

[frosty mango]

That’s the extent of warrior raid tanking when it comes to defensives lol

[undone beacon]

how could you not love being a squishy wet little guy

[frosty mango]

Bdk is great

Will I die if I take this hit? No > > death strike

Will I die if I take this hit? Yes >> die

[undone beacon]

I cannot be killed until I get popped like a blister hoorah

[frosty mango]

Or conversely Druid you don’t actually need defensives, just keep hitting ironfur and then if by some miracle your health drops below 99%, you have frenzied regen

[undone beacon]

Thorns of Iron go brrrr

[frosty mango]

That’s hyperbole I’m pretty sure I’ve pressed a defensive a few times on my Druid

I don’t remember doing it, but I bet I have

[undone beacon]

Sometimes my health drops and I go -oop and then Aessina's Renewal kicks in and I'm like, nice

What a funny talent that is

Take a hit for more than 12% of your max hp? get 10% of your max hp back bb its okay

[frosty mango]

I’ve been using energy shield on the belt and since you never actually take damage it does great dps

Had similar results on war

[undone beacon]

I've just been using crit chain on bear because big crit

Though to be fair I havent done an actual key in weeks

Collector's Bounty got me doing just that

I've picked up 26 of the 31 mounts I was missing

Only missing Sepulcher, Nyalotha, Antorus, Freehold, and Vortex

And honestly fuck running Antorus I'll just buy it in remix LOL

[frosty mango]

I still hate eonar

Even after the changes

It was a dumb fight when it was current and it’s a dumb fight now

/soapbox

[undone beacon]

It was a really neat idea but was just an awful fight to play

I remember normal and heroic being snoozefests, and then mythic was a nightmare because people ALWAYS fucked up the ship

[sick sentinel]

wow head says the tier set for prot warrior is that a crit on shield bash will increase damage of all bleeds by 80 percent

is thte healing mechanic for bleeds(the same arms warror uses) goinng to be added as a talent to the prot warrior talenttree

[frosty mango]

Prot has had that talent

[sick sentinel]

i dont see it

[frosty mango]

It’s a choice node with brutal vitality

[warm plinth]

Vitality

[frosty mango]

Fourth row right side of prot tree

Might be third row

Can’t recall exactly

[sick sentinel]

ty

[solid sun]

It isn’t Incarn because that isn’t a defensive

[undone verge]

BDK is fun because you live until you dont. And when you dont you really dont

[jade wind]

Can someone recommend some useful WA for prot warrior? And what is the most important thing to track when playing for a tank?

[frosty mango]

Nah you got survival instincts AND barkskin

Barkskin is also a dps cooldown too

lol

[solid sun]

What does barkskin do offensively

[frosty mango]

brambles

reflect damage

[solid sun]

Oh yeah

[frosty mango]

guys i did it

i made peak crit

thats in combat

[solid sun]

Do you think if I took ip off my bars I could do as much damage as you

[frosty mango]

I bet you could do as much damage as me if you left it on your bars

[solid sun]

I’d end up instinctively using it I fear

Whereas if it were gone even when I tried it wouldn’t work

[undone verge]

how would removing IP allow you to do more damage

[solid sun]

I’d stop using it so I’d only be using rage on revenge

Instead of a mix

It is not recommended

[frosty mango]

ive got my demolish down to like 22s

[solid sun]

But Roid is a bit of a special character

And his antics are rubbing off on me

[frosty mango]

my wife tells me this all the time but I dont think shes being nice like you

[solid sun]

🤣 lol

[undone verge]

if you only spent rage on revenege you'd definitely overcap on rage and youd loss out on a lot of anger management use and avatar/shieldwall uptime

plus outburst stacks

[frosty mango]

I only press IP when im in danger of overcapping rage - but id be lying if I said there were times when I should press it to help the healer because I dont

[solid sun]

First, I just wanna say you shouldn’t take this conversation too seriously

In no way am I aiming to suggest that not using IP is ideal

but it might get me closer to Roid

[frosty mango]

you just need my special cat weakaura

that spams the meow sound repeatedly if youre above 85% rage

[solid sun]

lol

[frosty mango]

then youll remember to press ip

[undone verge]

Fair, I just think IP provides more damage that not IP does

[solid sun]

I think I shoot an IP at 75. Maybe I should tweak it to 85

[frosty mango]

thats not even an opinion its just true

not using it when overcapping is definitely losing damage by way of ourburst

[frosty mango]

I only do 85 because i find that if I set it to 70 by the time the weakaura catches up ill have already pressed a button

[solid sun]

I think you just need a fast enough gcd that you can machine gun revenges

Until next season when we are MT again

[undone verge]

is there still an IP cap at 2x value?

[small steeple]

Plus for raid you run the one that increases max rage

[frosty mango]

i dont ever get in danger of capping rage in raid

i have the opposite problem

[small steeple]

True but sometimes during large add phase or during cds I get close

[solid sun]

I wish T.Clap had a talent or something that allowed T.Claps to cascade off each other

So sometimes if you were super lucky you’d enter a mosh pit and T.Clap like 5 times in a row

[frosty mango]

"rolling thunder"

make it happen

[solid sun]

I was thinking that name too

But I was afraid to say it

[warm plinth]

Just don't use it in hardcore

[frosty mango]

you could also name the talent "5 big booms"

https://tenor.com/view/costco-guys-stream-tiktok-costco-guys-gif-4538176206507523730

[modest hatch]

I might post in the wrong channel but I am curious how we as prot war are going to deal with mugzee bombs. Any suggestions? other tank is a low geared BDK

[jagged gust]

no but that's the proper colossus mentality

[frosty mango]

press spell block, face boss, pop bomb

[hardy snow]

If you are popping all of them on 2nd set, use spellblock and cycle shield wall on all of them, you must have bop also (after first one, which doesnt need bop)

if its single bomb just SW and step in

[jagged pier]

U spell block, sw, sr

Amd u refresh sw when needed

Use ls to top yourself

Get bopped

Get externals

U need to make sure the bomb is cc'd and u are looking at it

To actually block the damage

[modest hatch]

Thanks a lot

[agile elbow]

Damn. Ozzy died.

[west perch]

O7 for the legend himself

[violet ginkgo]

who is ozzy?

[west perch]

Ozzy osbourne

From black sabbath amongst other things

Also played in a commercial for WoW

https://tenor.com/view/ozzy-osbourne-ozzy-ozzy-wow-ozzy-crazy-train-ozzy-all-aboard-gif-27244920

[frigid valley]

we soon there boys

[ionic nimbus]

The og Prince of Darkness RIP

[urban bane]

so very sad. he lived a full life and got to go out with a banger of a final black sabbath reunion show

[jagged gust]

Honestly the dopest way for him to go out

[short wyvern]

Generals gathered in their masses!

[lofty warren]

Can all the belt things be fine in 1 week?

[strong forum]

Belt will be replaced in s3

By hero track gear

[daring narwhal]

3/6 hero or 6/6 ?

[lofty warren]

So not worth getting now?

[restive oak]

you can sim yoseff :p

[lofty warren]

Was thinking of things to do for my various tanks some of which are around 600 ilvl

[mighty valley]

depends on how fast you think you'll get hero gear and how much you care about week 1 power

[strong forum]

Yes

[lofty warren]

There is nothing else to get to have a set of tanks with at least some baseline gear. Feel like blizz not done tuning so unknown which will be the good one

[strong forum]

Ig

[lofty warren]

Who

[lunar jackal]

Does anyone know if Sense plans on maintaining spell blockable stuff on his sheet since the removal of spell block? (just curious)

[shut summit]

absolutely not

why would i

[lunar jackal]

Cries in paladin XD

Appreciate the response brother

[shut summit]

oh didn't even know paladins looked at it tbh

but no i won't be since i can't easily test since i don't play pally

[lunar jackal]

no worries

[neon elk]

Will there be spell reflect sheet tho?

[lofty warren]

Needed for spell reflect

[lunar jackal]

Yeah SR is always done by him

[shut summit]

ya maybe they remove reflect next season

[lunar jackal]

^ lul

[neon elk]

Well one less complicated button

[restive oak]

it was super complicated

[frosty mango]

Yea that’s why they removed it

https://tenor.com/view/giggles-gif-26049387

[obsidian adder]

Hey I am new to warrior and I am tanking the key acutally as colossus is Mountain Thane better for 10-12 keys / or easier to play?

[lofty warren]

Oh I didn't know spell reflect was getting removed that sicks

[jagged pier]

just as complaicated as shield block and spell reflect

[frosty mango]

Currently colossus does much more damage but at that level you can play either one

[restive oak]

they should probably remove those too

[frosty mango]

Colossus is about 9-12% ahead

[jagged pier]

Its easier to play but at those lvls there no difference really

[restive oak]

neither is rocket science

[lofty warren]

The reasoning they used to remove spell block applies to spell reflect

[frosty mango]

Pepega/10 highly recommend

[frosty mango]

And basically every other skill that has the word “block” or “absorb” in its name or description

[pallid quiver]

They're also making it a death penalty to read a tier list

[jagged pier]

Guys come on

[frosty mango]

I really wanna see where this goes

[jagged pier]

Its not being removed, Sense was making a joke they will remove it next, not that it is being removed

[pallid quiver]

i'm hoping if i lay it on thick enough, pepega will learn to recognize things of this nature

[frosty mango]

Pepega is always trolling though

[jagged pier]

Thats the thing, hes not

[pallid quiver]

i'm pretty sure jakey's right based on what I've seen in Prot Pal land

[frosty mango]

I was 50:50 on if @jagged pier was going to enhance the troll or bring us back to reality and he chose to be the voice of reason

[lofty warren]

Of cause the pwar says that after they dropped in the icy veins ptr tank tier list updated 2 days ago

[jagged pier]

We can only use reason, i do not do that sometimes

[pallid quiver]

damn, he really got me, the guy who hasn't seen a tier list for this game since somewhere around 3 or 4 years ago

My fragile ego is so bruised, the only course of action left for me is the cry out in a rage, dropping every single rude word I can find in a dictionary

[nocturne spindle]

guys is my ilvl good enough for +12s

[neon elk]

U should get more vers or u will get oneshot, otherwise pretty fine

[frosty mango]

110%

Full send

[warm plinth]

If i can do 12s, anyone can!

[cerulean tusk]

You aint low enough of a lowbar for me to believe that

[dusky canopy]

No

Ngl I miss that stage of the game

Max combat is cool too but getting the level ups all the time was good dopamine spikes

[warm plinth]

How do you know how low my bar is 🥲

[cerulean tusk]

I seen things

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-david-martinez-gif-12534182632164001803

[pallid quiver]

okay but have you seen my mage friend

[frosty mango]

because its not buried so we can still see it

[frigid valley]

I've seen a mage in 19s playing frost, mouse clicking spells and moving with arrows. Can't top that

The man was even streaming

[sharp gale]

I’ve seen some devil shits

Like ppl playing with a pad and 2 hands on keyboard

Or 2 hands and no pad, or left handed style, or keyboard vertical in front of them

[frosty mango]

Dude in my guild clicks

One of the best players I’ve ever played with

Even watching him do it is wild

[warm plinth]

Mobs now increased size by 30% to better indicate when mobs are affected make it harder to target the thing you now are required to kill.

[mighty valley]

lol

bespoke target macro time!

or nameplate gets enormous

[warm plinth]

Just weird because this is kind of the opposite of simplifying things and is certainly not the direction I'd hope they would go for mechanics lol

[mighty valley]

wait so, you can't stun it any more, but you do have five seconds to kill it before it does anything

seems ok, i guess

if the mobs get the size increase you've kind of already fucked up

[warm plinth]

Yeah. Just strange that they would change it. Why not just make the mob have a 5 second cast before it's summoned and make the mob unstunnable?

Because they want to make us have to annoyingly find a tiny target in a big ass pack

[mighty valley]

I dunno, it's fine by me whenever the answer isn't just "kick/stop" to literally everything

also this largely takes the responsibility off've us tanks

LESS WORK

[warm plinth]

idk, obviously a lesser extent but it's the same concept as an explosive orb

[mighty valley]

do the sticks have some kinda cleave resistance?

[warm plinth]

They're a totem.

They weren't cleavable before

Anyway, I don't really care that much; I just thought it was funny that it's like hey the time you really need to be killing this is when it's hardest to target to kill XD

we did it

[mighty valley]

Right on time

[warm plinth]

ikr

almost took the shoulders instead but meh

[bleak breach]

I click and without trying to brag I’ve had 100% overalls before

Keybinds, clicking or whatever you do is just muscle memory and what you’re used to.

[frosty mango]

hes doin alright

[frosty mango]

idc what people do, if you can play well you do you

[bleak breach]

I use wasd to move and click everything else. All I have is a couple of macros

[frosty mango]

i just cant wrap my head around it

[bleak breach]

Yeah 100%, some people care too much about how others play.

[bleak breach]

Yeah he pumpin

[frosty mango]

I think mostly its healing mindset, like trying to heal while clicking seems like it would be terrible but I guess for tanking and dps it would be fine

[bleak breach]

I’ve healed all content and clicked

I just use healbot

It’s literally just whatever you’re most used too, but I do agree learning keybinds is probably easier in the long run

[solid sun]

I just think there's a part of it where like, actually literally one way is faster than the other. Even if people do it less efficient or less quick way, that doesn't mean it wouldn't be made easier/faster for them if they learned the "better" way

[bleak breach]

You’re locked behind GCD and other factors anyway which limit how fast you can do things. I don’t think I’ve ever died in the game because I’m a clicker or could honestly say I would have a better parse because I use my keyboard/mouse buttons instead.

It’s just all preferences in the end

[solid sun]

Like, "Sokraxx clicks all the time and does super well."

My take away from that isn't that clicking is just as good as keybinds. It's that Sokraxx is very good and would be even better after getting used to keybinds

[bleak breach]

That is probably a fair take too

I admit if I put in the effort to use keybinds I would probably off in the long run

[solid sun]

But I'm also not the video game police so idgaf :)

[bleak breach]

I started to for a bit then kept going back to clicking by default whenever something got tough so stopped

[solid sun]

Makes sense

[bleak breach]

Just need to really get in and do it for like a month and I’d be fine, didn’t help I got a new mouse when I was trying so couldn’t remember where which number was.

[ashen kestrel]

i wonder if this means they increase in size right away or when it starts channeling? id assume the latter and you have 5 seconds to see it clearly before they increase in size

[warm plinth]

Yeah. That's what I'd assume.

[ashen kestrel]

gg better find it asap lol

[warm plinth]

Hopefully they made them cleavable or the fun part of gambit is dead for all but the most coordinated groups

[haughty atlas]

Could someone tell me what Im missing, I'm finding myself in 14s regularly undercasting ignore pain, sometimes it's because I don't especially need it outside of to avoid overcaping rage but other times I find myself rage staved and undercasting it

[warm plinth]

Do you have logs?

[sharp gale]

My biggest brain bug with it : they use rotate buttons and don’t right click to move the camera / character, and each time I try myself it is so weird

[solid sun]

How do you know you're undercasting IP

[haughty atlas]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tJgx8zbdCFB7WAHk?fight=16&type=summary

[haughty atlas]

I mean I dont know for certain I just feel like 55% in a 14 is low

[mighty valley]

If you're never overcapping rage and you're never missing a gcd

(and not dying)

you're doing alright

you could block a bit more than this

[waxen frigate]

I miss the rage

[mighty valley]

quick question

why did you enable skibidi toilet mode on your profile

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/skibdi-skibidi-toilet-toilet-ryan-gosling-gif-10204004380432191602

Will you answer?

[astral pendant]

Tome of Light’s Devotion, hard to use or not?

[mighty valley]

if THE ryan gosling is calling? i'm picking up

no further questions

[mighty valley]

easy, you just switch it to sword mode when it's not in sword mode

[waxen frigate]

Skibidi Ryan Gosling

[mighty valley]

I said no further questions

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-movie-2023-barbie-barbie-movie-barbie-2023-wink-gif-15803423760244922692

[astral pendant]

Ok so going for the dps output over armour. Raidbots putting it as my higher choice but wasn’t sure how to use properly.
Thanks mate

[mighty valley]

The defensive buff is generally not that impressive but the offensive mode is v strong, especially single target

[astral pendant]

Legend, cheers

[waxen frigate]

It’s rare that defensive trinket effects are any good

[astral pendant]

I’ll assume a weak aura is best used to track the buff if it cycles?

[mighty valley]

Yeah, it helps, I just found one pretty quick by googling

[idle copper]

I've got mine saying the word trinket on a 2 seconds loop (when I'm in combat) when I need to switch

[waxen frigate]

that sounds hellish

[idle copper]

Why?

[waxen frigate]

Just sounds potentially very annoying

[idle copper]

It says it once or twice before I get chance to press it. Happens a handful of times a run?

[mighty valley]

reminds me of when our bud yogi said he installed a weakaura to play a clown horn whenever he didn't have shield block up

to help him remember

then whenever he posted videos here... you know that horn was honking the whole time

[warm plinth]

The fundamental mistake I'm seeing is that you have a huge tendency to tunnel vision revenge and TC in aoe and completely ignore SS for extended periods. As a result, your SS casts are low, which means less rage, which means less everything.

Even in just the first couple pulls, you had multiple times where you went 10-15 seconds without touching Shield Slam while spamming Revenge (your Shield Slam should be like 6 second CD with ItF stacks, not to mention resets from Deva/TC/Revenge)

SS is by far your #1 generator of rage, so not pressing it as much as possible makes everything else worse

You can see here that even pressing it suboptimally, it's your #1 generator by a lot

By comparison, I had ~1200 more rage generated from Shield Slam in the same dungeon in 2 1/2 less minutes.

[ebon cape]

I don’t see a dinar pin, what’s the move with no mythic raid kills but 12 resil in m+? Pacemaker and tome and what’s third? Jastor heroic?

[undone beacon]

Mud if you want it but honestly at this point in the season like

Buy yourself the heroic jet pack mog

Treat yourself

[jagged gust]

jet pack goes pretty hard ngl

[undone beacon]

That’s literally what I did just to have it

[paper granite]

hey on mythic gallywix when are you guys taunting? my taunt feels super bugged and the guy runs off like crazy

[frosty mango]

@undone beacon im growing

im not a cub anymore

[undone beacon]

Hell yeah

[undone beacon]

NICE

this guy BEARS

[frosty mango]

this isnt a you thing

you have to time it super tight and half the time he still runs off like an asshole

[tidal scarab]

i was just fighting that piece of garbage, i found if you taunt the instant his bomb cast finishes he doesnt move as much or at all

[paper granite]

yea the issue were having is they are but he still runs like crazy to the other tank and back

[paper granite]

yea this is the issue im having

[tidal scarab]

sometimes he just do

[blissful pecan]

I also taunt right after he finishes his cast and most of the time he stays in roughly the same spot, sometimes he does go on an adventure though

[tidal scarab]

they get mad at me when he does it too which sucks :/

[undone beacon]

If they have an issue with it they can learn to tank fr

[frosty mango]

tell them youre happy to dps

if theyd like to try

but they can go watch 100 clear POVs and see it happen in every one

[sharp gale]

Yes it is a known/common issue, there is a way to taunt at the end to make it still, but I would just not care and just be consistent

If you manage to make him still 9/10 but 1/10 you might cause a wipe bc of that, I wouldn’t do it in the first place

(I would try for some pulls yes to judge if I can be consistent)

[kind glen]

If you assume hes going to run, then you can position him so when he turns back to you he's where you need him. You have time in that fight to get him in position, gotta be patient.

[frosty mango]

this is why I dont do it

because when I try to do it, theres always that one where he runs off then all the melee follow him like good little sheep

and die

[sharp gale]

Me neither, I had similar choice with mugzee as dps to leap out of the cage, I tried few pulls, it was 3/4 -4/5 I can do it, but it is 100% a wipe if I fail on certain context, so I just said to count me as I couldn’t do it

[worthy lichen]

can you reflect multiple bolts if theyre synced?

[jagged pier]

Yes

[undone verge]

I can’t believe blizzard removed the ability to spell reflect reaping scythe

That was like 95% of the fun of doing theater of pain

Beating the shit boomkin in dps on the final boss

[worthy lichen]

ya game needs some better reflects

[rough egret]

I miss the centaur dungeon

[wicked pollen]

JAKEY IM DOING IT BRO

IM DOING IT

[undone verge]

physical dmg plus big pulls plus reflect-able dots

[jagged pier]

?

[radiant axle]

Reckon a Mythic Bombsuit is worth taking into next tier? Guild has me re-rolling to prot, they dragged it through a rat 8/8M so I can buy any mythic item

[jagged pier]

i doubt it

ive never once gone, i wish i had x defensive trinekt from last tier

tbh ive never gone i wish I had x defensive trinket

[radiant axle]

I just figure I can get a new tome/seaforium/mud from m+ on H track week 1 or 2, so it feels bad getting one now

[jagged pier]

well u are just gunna be looking to replace both tome and seasforium next season anyway

[radiant axle]

hmm true true

[jagged pier]

i mean u can buy it

but tbh if kezans doesnt get nerfed for early prog

it will be really good

[radiant axle]

Oh true true, I might sit on 1 dinar and see if they annouce tuning for it going into the patch

[wicked pollen]

im getting io

[jagged pier]

[silk trail]

are you going full haste crit apart from tier set slots? i noticed a lot of players go for one haste vers ring or atleast 1 piece of haste vers crafted item to boost vers to like %8, is that something you should aim for? get a little extra vers to make it %8-10 maybe?

[jagged pier]

no

that 1 extra piece is doing nothing really

its probably just sims telling them what to make

[fallow radish]

any changes to stat prio for prot warr in 11.2?

[jagged pier]

nope

[fallow radish]

ogei

[torn gulch]

We play with 0% vers with no problems

[solar crown]

Hows the dungeon pool for s3 when it comes to cool spell reflects? Any fun ones?

[pulsar wedge]

ara kara has 1

floodgate has a couple

[serene galleon]

is there any offensive abilities you guys bind together as prot?

[jagged pier]

no cause they all are pressed on cd

and most share a gcd

[sharp merlin]

especially shout

so stupid

[latent steppe]

guys it is not possible for me to have jastor diamond myth track

should I get hero track of it ?

Im 681

Is it possible that I can craft 2 rings equipped?

[cerulean tusk]

I just use haste/crit rings, for the haste. But you can sim the ring to see how much dps you would lose skipping on the jastor

[jagged pier]

i mean a crafted ring or a myth ring is just better than jastors hc

[frigid valley]

hell, even the cauldron ring on hc simmed better for me a while before i got myth jastor

[jagged pier]

that wont technically be true cause sims dont cover u giving the buff to other ppl

[frigid valley]

oh didnt know that

[cerulean tusk]

Sims dont cower the keg either. But if it isn't your DPS, does the DPS even matter?

[frosty mango]

I have meme levels of crit right now and while vers would give me more overall dps - I don’t care

Having 50% effective crit is comical in m+

[cerulean tusk]

Also parry stacking value effect is BiS

[frosty mango]

But I think for most warriors as we approach 685 with our normal gearing, vers starts to overtake

Just because we have so much damn stats

[cerulean tusk]

Going from 49 to 50% parry, is a lot better than going 9 to 10

[haughty atlas]

Thanks for your insight, I will try and work on it 🙂

[strong forum]

that is true

[frigid valley]

going from 0 to 1 is a 100% increase

[cerulean tusk]

100% on 0 is 0

[toxic pewter]

any and all outcome chances is 50%. it either hhappens or it doesnt... 50/50

odds havent failed me yet

[late vault]

dude i tried going full crit for a time, having 65% ish crit with signet of the priory up with the combat stance for tome too, it was fucking wild

[simple dew]

Hey guys, co tank with Ironsides, thanks for your input last night. Along the same vein, have any of you seen this happen and do you know how to correct it? https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxDSp7IXrv1uAoVkTtBkKaOW_YnvX0wK4P?si=Dv647mDMAtiUzXHw

Specifically him snapping to the middle of the room like that

[placid raft]

Any videos i can see of prot in ptr?

[frosty mango]

“I am a god”
unlucky parry rng
“I am a lowly peasant”

[frosty mango]

It’s really hard to tell in this clip but it looks like he’s snapping back to his position to perform his next ability - like the server tick resolution is happening ahead of your visuals almost. I’ve never actually seen that. You are taunting there correct?

[simple dew]

Correct, on that one I think I cast taunt +0.15s after the finished casts of bombs

[frosty mango]

It could also be you are taunting but not hitting boss and after the 3s window wears off it’s going back to the other tank because he keeps damaging, you said you had a log?

[solid sun]

I haven’t heard anything about raid testing

Is that going on? Has it been going well? Are we scared of any bosses yet?

“We” as in raiders. Not really as prot wars specifically

[frigid valley]

apperently salladbar fucks anything that isnt a dh or brew if i recall correctly

[frosty mango]

A good salad bar does fuck me up

[solid sun]

Well we are notorious meat eaters. Probably hits us with extra vigor

[frosty mango]

Them lil tomatoes

[solid sun]

Cherry maters are good

[cerulean tusk]

Roasted onion is great

[solid sun]

Why would Brew handle the boss better than us

[jagged pier]

stagger

its always stagger

[solid sun]

Don’t we have the same general strengths?

[simple dew]

Yeah can’t find the log but I can see the fixate portion of taunt still active on him on my nameplate

[frigid valley]

isnt it dampen harm/diffuse in this case?
something something boss does less raid dmg based on current mitigation

didnt test mythic so go by what ive heard

[frosty mango]

Stagger also makes it very hard to take a large amount of damage quickly so in a raid setting healers can prop you up

[frosty mango]

I love a good baked onion - not as popular as they used to be

[frosty mango]

Yeah short of some threat jank or some sort of wierd range interaction I can’t see why it would happen - granted I heal gally mostly but I’ve not seen that particular flavor of movement jank before

That entire mechanic is just wierd though

[solid sun]

Well if it’s magic damage that salad boss does I’m sure spellbreaker will handle it with ease, reliably

If it’s physical damage surely we will be allowed to just block it without it being flagged unblockable or something silly like that

[jagged gust]

Baked is good, but onions were made to be sauteed with garlic imo

Maybe some thick sliced mushrooms

[frosty mango]

Baked onion with roasted garlic and beef broth

[jagged gust]

beef broth? Sounds like you're closing in on french onion soup territory

nevermind they look like they absolutely slap

[solid sun]

Onions are almost always good

Fried, baked, sautéed, in a salad

[jagged gust]

They are one of the best parts of a greek salad

its true

[frosty mango]

Nah not submerged just enough to soak in

Yeah you got it

Almost like braised

Those and some good charred roasted broccoli with a nice steak

Game changer

[solid sun]

Are you a rare or medium rare fan

I usually take my steak medium. I’m not overly fond of it still mooing on the plate

[jagged gust]

As long as the steak is prepared/cooked well it can be good from rare to medium imo, but rare is a bit rough on my stomach

I like frying up some butter with chile peppers and tossing my broccoli in it before roasting

[solid sun]

I think the most impressive is a quality well done steak. Because when it’s done properly it’s still juicy, and it’s hard to accomplish that. I stick to medium, though

[mighty valley]

roasting brocolli is the way

just fuckin blast it for 10 mins

[solid sun]

A lot of veggies are great on the grill

Corn on the cob on the grill is a fave of mine

[jagged gust]

As long as it doesn't dry out

I'm not a fan of when it turns leathery

[solid sun]

Slicing up some zucchini and squash and onions and letting the grill kiss ‘em for those charred edges

[frosty mango]

Depends on the cut honestly

I can go from rare to medium depending

Like a ribeye I’ll go closer to medium, medium rare

But a filet I’ll go closer to rare

The fattier it is, the more done I prefer

[jagged gust]

If I'm making burgers, slapping a thick slice of pineapple on the grill and topping the patty with it at the end

absolutely sumptuous

[frosty mango]

The trick with burgers is contact, I have a carbon steel sheet I use on the kettle to get maximum surface contact on the burger

Lil reverse sear action

Use it for steaks too but I usually sous vide my steaks then finish directly on the grill

[jagged gust]

mm yeah good idea, retain moisture and reduce smoking from holding in the drippings

[mighty valley]

remember when one guy said "searing meat locks the moisture in" and we all believed it for decades

i wish i could just make people globally believe a lie

[jagged gust]

thats so not fun though

[solid sun]

Are you suggesting that all these incredibly prolific chefs that get paid absurd amounts of money to be the absolute best at their crafts are wrong about how cooking steaks works

[mighty valley]

i'm sure his steaks were great, searing is still obv good for color and flavor

[jagged gust]

break the hearts of a million fathers with that fact

[mighty valley]

but his "scientific reasoning" behind it was just uh

made up

[jagged gust]

Sometimes you gotta be an alpha wolf and make stuff up

[frosty mango]

Almost all big steakhouses sous vide

Because you can basically hold them at temp and then grill to order quickly

Big brain

Also tasty

[solid sun]

Yeah but everytime you see one on tv they also talk about searing the steak to trap the moisture in.

It’s funny because they either all know that isn’t true or they don’t believe that it isn’t true, and either way continue to say it

[charred ivy]

I heard smt prot will be s tier next patch? Did they change smt big?

[pallid quiver]

no

That's part of why listening to any calls for tier lists or strength placements before the patch is even out tends to be a rough idea

You generally just get farmed for content and engagement

If you really care about playing the strongest or meta tank, it's best to just focus on getting all tanks up close enough to par and waiting until after Heroic raid week or so

[mighty valley]

to be clear, they have changed a decent amount, we're getting a talent tree rework and some tuning changes

[pallid quiver]

this should be mentioned, yeah

[charred ivy]

Me personally i only play warrior so idc. Was more wondering if any changes i should know about

[pallid quiver]

Depending on when you got your info

[mighty valley]

but yeah, can't really declare a winner yet. and the meta tank is rarely us regardless haha

[pallid quiver]

If you haven't kept up, biggest one is the loss of Spell Block

[charred ivy]

Oh Yeah i had missed that xD

[pallid quiver]

Their reasoning was sketch at first, but they eventually admitted that it was just too strong when it did work

which is pretty true; you effectively immuned anything spell block worked on for 30 seconds, with a potential for 33% uptime since it only had a 1.5 min CD

The talent tree changes makes some things nicer to access overall, so there's like, actual flex in the tree

But ultimately, Prot War will still pretty much play the same, have the same strengths, and have the same weaknesses

To wit, based on what people have come in here saying, Prot War has swapped between S tier and C/B tier on a lot of those tier lists

without changes even being made sometimes

[pallid quiver]

Oh, the other notable change if you're playing Prot War is that there's a ravager option node that removes ravager as a button, but it instead auto throws ravagers on a proc

Last I had checked, it ended up being a lot more ravager uptime overall; I haven't actually looked to see if that's changed at all

[charred ivy]

Ah maybe cool. Will need look more into shit when it come i guess so can test some. 🙂 ty for infos

[solid sun]

We will have the option to cleave execute too

And it looks like Thane might be the play in dungeons but obviously that’s still up in the air

[pallid quiver]

especially if they demand we engage with things like fish stick to try and keep pulls small

(Execute cleave only goes up to 3 targets as a heads up, Xeer)

[round pendant]

alright lads

What's the gist

are we doomers or coomers over pwar this season

[proven stratus]

Reroll until otherwise

[mighty valley]

we all got together and decided to be normal

[solid sun]

We mostly just talk about food now

[waxen frigate]

Billions must coom

[round pendant]

that bad huh?

[waxen frigate]

Bought a can of sardines today

(Those who know)

[solid sun]

Heck yeah

[round pendant]

I've been addicted to poe for the past month so I'm out of the loop

burning out on that now though

[waxen frigate]

OSRS grind time

[round pendant]

nah I'm still burned out on osrs from like 2 years ago

[solid sun]

If you scroll up you can see Leurce and Harrow and I provide a few highlights, yam

[waxen frigate]

Zomboid

[round pendant]

I'm gonna plead the fifth on that one

[waxen frigate]

sus

[round pendant]

I only see food

[frosty mango]

My unofficial completely subjective highly biased opinion is that prot war is “S+++ Must Played Goated” tier

[round pendant]

holy

[solid sun]

#protection message

[round pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-morty-you-son-of-a-bitch-im-in-animated-series-gif-17733141

[solid sun]

Roid isnt even maining pwar next season

Brew and bear

[frosty mango]

I mean how do you define main

[round pendant]

you son of a bitch, I'm out

[waxen frigate]

Character you primarily play

Duh

The fuck

[frosty mango]

I’m not CE pushing on war but I’ll prob still put more hours on m+ and gearing than most lol

My war will be bis before tier end, just maybe not first lol

[waxen frigate]

Which character will be the overall focus of your progression in a given tier

That’s your main for the tier

[frosty mango]

Then I have three mains every tier

War is one of them

[waxen frigate]

Like I’ve been a brew main every tier except SOD (DK) and last tier (DH)

[frosty mango]

@solid sun trying to bring down Roidburg stonks

[solid sun]

Brother

You said it yourself

[waxen frigate]

Bring back roidstack

[solid sun]

Not maining pwar

[waxen frigate]

The real roid

[frosty mango]

10/10 agree

[waxen frigate]

Need to see him talk about minmaxing his normal pug parses again

God that was good content

[frosty mango]

Listen when I’m wrong I’m right and when you’re right, I’m also right and you’re still wrong - that’s how this works

https://tenor.com/view/yup-dale-doback-step-brothers-yes-i-agree-gif-1579811350903017250

[solid sun]

I’d invite you to raid on your alt (your pwar) with me but then you’d outperform me and my ego would be bruised

[waxen frigate]

Anyway you guys wanna see my new kitten

[frosty mango]

I’m very good at being a sandbagging wingman we could make you look great

[solid sun]

Lmao

[frosty mango]

I could be your duff

[frosty mango]

Hell yes kittens are awesome

[solid sun]

What a superstar

[waxen frigate]

I haven’t fully adopted her yet, but will be in a few weeks once she’s gotten all her initial vet stuff done

She was rescued from the flooding here in central Texas earlier this month

Also she agrees that bleed support pwarr is the best build

[frosty mango]

The only thing more awesome than kittens are people who rescue them

[solid sun]

Hey Texas bros

Look at us

Killing it

[waxen frigate]

🤝

[waxen frigate]

Yuh. Sister’s bf is a firefighter, picked her up while on duty on the 5th

[solid sun]

Hopefully your family was fine

[waxen frigate]

Yes. Thankfully we’re pretty adjacent to the flood areas (San Antonio and Austin areas) but close enough that we had the same weather and local emergency services helped respond

So much fucking rain this summer though man it’s been insane

[solid sun]

I didn’t even think about San Antonio. I wonder if the river walk went crazy

[waxen frigate]

Nah

[cerulean tusk]

d'awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[waxen frigate]

It was fine down here

[solid sun]

Nice

[waxen frigate]

Most of the flood areas are in the hill country proper

We just get the shitloads of rain

[solid sun]

Yeah. I’m close to the gulf so I wasn’t in it but we have gotten a ton of rain this season

[waxen frigate]

I did pass over the Guadalupe and a few other rivers on my way up to my sister’s place yesterday and god fucking damn

Those rivers are so high

[solid sun]

And now it’s just hot as balls

[waxen frigate]

Yep lmao

It’s either 100 degrees or a thunderstorm

For the past month

[frigid valley]

ait what MF here summoned nish

[waxen frigate]

I started getting back into wow a bit

Plus I’m at my sister’s house until tomorrow so I got fuckall to do besides discord shitpost

[solid sun]

lol

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-worried-scared-look-gif-23041456

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/kys-choocvlt-gif-21659242

[waxen frigate]

And I got banned from HOW again so can’t shitpost there

[cerulean tusk]

I wont say anything

[solid sun]

What’s how

[waxen frigate]

Pally disc

[solid sun]

Lmfao what did you do

[frigid valley]

not hard getting banned there

happened to me like 13 times now

[dusky canopy]

You simply can’t have your own opinion over there

[cerulean tusk]

prob told em the truth

[waxen frigate]

They have a counting channel for ret paladins

I trolled it

I was already on probation for trolling the rets

[cerulean tusk]

a what now?

[waxen frigate]

Just go look

It’s called alpharet

[cerulean tusk]

Link me

and I will

[waxen frigate]

Brother

I am banned

[cerulean tusk]

brother

[waxen frigate]

LMAO

I cant link it

[cerulean tusk]

Sure you can

[solid sun]

I see an alphabet channel

[cerulean tusk]

Gief link, I want to see what rets are counting

do they go over 5?

[waxen frigate]

Yeah it’s that

[cerulean tusk]

1, 2, 5!

[waxen frigate]

I typed XDD

[solid sun]

https://discord.com/channels/115288062094868481/1390306982925435041

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/numbers-psychostick-i-can-only-count-to-four-i-can-only-count-to4-let-the-bodies-hit-the-floor-gif-27341544

[cerulean tusk]

what the fuck am I even looking at?

[jagged pier]

paladins

[solid sun]

I’m laughing so hard

[solid sun]

Paladins was such an A+ response

[waxen frigate]

Rets*

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/sped-cube-gif-3640796934732154156

[waxen frigate]

The other pallies aren’t nearly as weird

[cerulean tusk]

Oh, they kicked me

[frosty mango]

https://youtu.be/u8ccGjar4Es?si=Vpf_OTqtsYcbSbB7

[cerulean tusk]

10/10

[frosty mango]

That’s the ret anthem

They only need that much because they only got four buttons

[waxen frigate]

But you probably saw the whole saga of my re-banning in BT, Jakey

Lincoln pulling out the receipts from a year ago

[solid sun]

Can you provide cliff notes

[waxen frigate]

I trolled ret general like a year ago

Got banned. Got unbanned, told not to troll ret again

Lowkey forgot about that, trolled ret again, got banned again

[solid sun]

Unfortunate that XDD in whatever this channel is, is all it took

[waxen frigate]

It was worth it

[cerulean tusk]

I cant go back to the ret channel

I didnt even do nuffin

[solid sun]

I might ask a question here or there in a few class discords but mostly just stay here

[waxen frigate]

I shitpost mostly here

I help and shitpost a bit in peak

I occasionally post in DH

[cerulean tusk]

I go in here, so I can doom about how shit warrior is and then try to troll a rat in a hat

[solid sun]

We have everything here

We have brew people, bear people, basically all warrior flavors. We got some bdk people. Nobody needs to know anything about paladin

I guess we have DH people but meh

[waxen frigate]

I am my scars

[chilly brook]

Ah, the anthem for Jhin players in League of Legends

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-crayon-de-cires-cerveau-brain-gif-18166157344745467544

[raw parcel]

I have been taking a break from the game... how pwarriors looking in the upcoming patch, warrior gurus? Not a metaslave, just curious.

[solid sun]

They’re looking like pwar

How do you like your steak cooked, Panda?

[small steeple]

alpharet

[solid sun]

So if they started with numbers and have now moved to letters… are shapes next?

[dusky canopy]

Bunch of baby’s 🤣

[frosty mango]

#protection message

[small steeple]

facts

[raw parcel]

Well that's always my opinion, I basically one trick pwarr xD. Though that means if we're in a bad state (which hasn't happened a lot lately), it kinda sucks.

[jagged pier]

we havent been in a bad state since SL S1 what the fuck u talking about

[pallid quiver]

i mean if SL S1 is lately

[dusky canopy]

Streamer said I was D tier!!!!!

[cerulean tusk]

We were in the RWF in SL S1, what you meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[jagged pier]

anything can do raid, we did suffer in what most ppl care about

[waxen frigate]

xdd

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/didnt-ask-ratio-bozo-clown-lll-gif-25399750

[solid sun]

Banned

Cannot be doing that

[raw parcel]

"(which hasn't happened a lot lately)"

This very point was acknowledged in the post.