Lul
#protection
frosty mango
I’m a simple warrior I don’t like choices
strong forum
You can easily afford to send sexecutes
frosty mango
Would be better if they just made it execute when we thunder blasted
Also shield slam
True one button rotation
strong forum
3 target execute is your strongest button until like 8 targets
Outside of avatar boosted TBs
frosty mango
So you’re gonna be playing s3?
frosty mango
That’s not what you said!
frosty mango
No but the talents will still be around
sharp gale
And it spends rage, while being thane, what a world we live in 
small steeple
@strong forum would you rock sudden death or bloodborne for m+ as MT next season?
sharp gale
I think if you invest in the execute talents, sudden death will be more valuable depending on targets, the big topic is : do you survive
And if not, you don’t have to talent out everything to go full on bsv + SR
strong forum
depends on the dungeon
but BB is more overall dmg
technically even a flex point as thane
small steeple
are there any prot war sims for the ptr done yet?
frosty mango
or atleast i didnt do any yet
You should definitely play s3
We may die without you
How else are we supposed to know what buttons to press if you’re not there to tell us?
jagged pier
because we wait for tuning or last week of patch to know we generally safe to do sims
would dumb to tell ppl stuff for it too then change again in a week or a few days time
frosty mango
because we wait for tuning or last week of patch to know we generally safe to do...
I don’t do any personal sims until day one of patch
Every time I do anything concrete based on ptr blizzard always hits me with the rug pull
shut summit
i dont do any sims ever 
frosty mango
i dont do any sims ever <a:wethink:393869336001118210>
That’s ok you tell us what we can reflect for big dam
shut summit
feelycraft bestcraft
frosty mango
You also tell us what we can spell block but something tells me that won’t be tough this season lul
small steeple
Lmao I think someone outed yoda on his last In Depth Analysis
busted
blazing ridge
According to his excel sheet we are omega bad tier, oh nooo
undone beacon
im being told by my friend that blackout kick is a filler spell in brewmaster rotation
small steeple
im being told by my friend that blackout kick is a filler spell in brewmaster ro...
lmao what
define "filler"
undone beacon
"its just a spell that deals damage"
blazing ridge
I played like 8 hours of brew, I press a lot of blackout kicks
undone beacon
"but its not important to keep threat or stay alive"
blazing ridge
Filler would be Tiger Palms not enhanced right?
undone beacon
"Not a super top priorty, you just hit it when it comes up"
small steeple
Filler would be Tiger Palms not enhanced right?
ye
blazing ridge
Shield Slam only filler to press more Revenge
undone beacon
im literally reading them the guide
blazing ridge
Also this priority list ist like so big, for saying to keep using your Keg und BoF to replenish Charred buff and then use Blackout Kicks to enchance Tiger Palm and use every other shit on cd
agile elbow
He's a habitual VDH main and will always shill PPal second as it's his other favorite class.
sharp gale
Filler would be Tiger Palms not enhanced right?
If it didn’t change from current season, SCK is almost not pressed
sharp gale
It’s just tiger palm slaps more + blackout combos, yes SCK is the gathering button basically
(It might have change since they got changed right ?)
mellow bridge
"but its not important to keep threat or stay alive"
crazy call
BoK is the most important button
small steeple
(It might have change since they got changed right ?)
nope, still the same
mellow bridge
- "doesnt help you stay alive" LMAO
please tell your friend that BoK is literally what you plan your entire rotation around
it's always bok -> 3 spells -> bok etc
small steeple
ehh more bok->tp->2-3 spells repeat
mellow bridge
tp has to be one of the 3 spells, but not necessarily directly after bok fwiw
but that's going into details
small steeple
yes it does, otherwise blackout combo gets wasted
mellow bridge
there are spells that dont consume boc?
like RSK, EH or any utility button besides CB
completely normal to do smth like bok rsk tp if the cd lines up that way
or bok chi burst tp bok
small steeple
there are spells that dont consume boc?
well, thats not the point? its rotationaly spell, and RSK is the only rotational exception really
mellow bridge
but as I said, that's going into detail and not needed
small steeple
true
south zealot
im being told by my friend that blackout kick is a filler spell in brewmaster ro...
blackout kick should literally always be on cd
compact apex
Hey
tribal wharf
A yogi would probably press only chi torpedo and spinning crane kick, maybe a bit of breath fire
monk tank, from what i recall of it long ago, is its fun up until you take damage, then it sucks
probably goes well with ret or holy paladin i have to imagine with the bop and such, but like freedom no
agile elbow
Monk is actually pretty beefy of a tank rn on ptr with the changes.
It just has very little group utility
tribal wharf
~~hpaladin ~~ paladin basline: bop on other players who are tanks doesnt remove all the built up aggro
agile elbow
And it has good damage
tribal wharf
or it removes like half of it,
so it would be like casting fient or fade as the tank
taunt swaps, if you have to be bopped
i didnt like the stagger
its like, well, guess i'll die now
and i dont like that the big DR is you have to channel it on a huge cd and if you take damage it gets removed
fickle prawn
Hey all,
I have seen a few videos where warriors are running a weak aura that pops up the shield block icon on top of the character model if they are in combat (in m+) without shield block active. I have found a few around wago but they all seem to be very dated/no longer supported. Does anyone have a current one that is being updated still?
cerulean tusk
Nope, but you can easily make your own. Just do /wa, template, buff - trigger, shieldblock, missing. Go to load, set load in combat.
fickle prawn
Nope, but you can easily make your own. Just do /wa, template, buff - trigger, s...
Okay thanks! I'll try to get that set-up then
urban bane
yoda left off something very important in his tank review spreadsheet
i cant believe this oversight personally
has the streamer lost his touch with the common man (and the common man's concern about his son's safety?) likely so
frigid spire
y'all think MT will over take Col for S3 with the tier set?
austere ginkgo
My hands are shaking. I don't know how many attempts I took before this, but about 10 attempts today at 659 Prot Warr.
What a terrible fight. Just RNG on who the boss is targeting with abilities that often decides the fight, poor UI for aiming the bombs, and those trash visuals on the flamethrower ability.
Also, I hate that the cronies are basically constantly casting their red lines. No visual indicator of when they're gonna actually shoot.
warm plinth
Good job
austere ginkgo
TY 🙂
I think the big solves were getting the bioprinter copies out reliably each attempt, swapping Ravager for Battering Ram so I could have enhanced speed from shield slam a lot of the fight, and just realizing as a tank I should basically ignore the boss unless his shield is active, and then I just Demolish him. Otherwise Brann and his pets are doing all the work. Big load of mental stress is gone once you realize all you need to do is play the mechanics for 95% of the fight.
small steeple
I think the big solves were getting the bioprinter copies out reliably each atte...
oh did you have dps brann? I've only done like 5 attempts total, but only got him to about 30%? but to be fair my pwar is 680 something
austere ginkgo
Yeah, at high ilvls I don't think you would need healer Brann. I didn't and I'm only 659. Just use Block/IP and victory rush when you're not at max HP.
jagged pier
u dont need him to be healer at low ilvls ither
idle copper
I think the big solves were getting the bioprinter copies out reliably each atte...
You have to DPS the adds below 50% to get the bioptinter adds to spawn when they die?
frigid valley
shoot one bomb on adds, hit it once with throw and it procs
worthy lichen
hows the math on this work?
(100+10) * 2 * 1.1 = 242% ?
blazing condor
idle copper
shoot one bomb on adds, hit it once with throw and it procs
Thank you
idle copper
Underpin - is there a better way of interacting with the bombs - ive set the interact on mouseover but still frequently have triuble clicking them
remote tusk
idle copper
set the interact button to target rather than mouseover?
tame jasper
the target is still the underpin, so that bind does nothing, so I used interact with mouseover. but still too stupid to kill the guy so I gave up after 100 tries or so
strong forum
once you face the bombs when close to them
you see a wheel pop up above them
so you just need to press your interact button without needing to use your mouse and itll instantly throw bomb
i did underpin on day1 with 640 ilvl in like 15 or so attempts, sad how undertuned it is
boss gets 30304980% easier if you bind interact to a keybind
instead of trying to rightclick the bomb
throw bombs onto small adds asap, hold demolish for the shield
and boss will just die
especially if you give bran the ... copy thingy power
itll copy the goons you kill with bombs
and they will kill boss for you
you can technically live the boss by exclusively breaking the shield and otherwise only throwing bombs
and brann + power will do the rest for you, really lame
idle copper
thank you
sinful elm
Hi guys! i was thinking in coming back to my prot war on the s3, how things are looking for it in the next season?
agile elbow
Just stay away from YoDas tierlists and you'll be okay.
nocturne spindle
Spam ur thunderclap button and all the bad dps will be impressed with your damage
blazing condor
Just stay away from YoDas tierlists and you'll be okay.
stay away from tier lists period
agile elbow
stay away from tier lists period
❤️
frigid valley
stay away from tier lists period
this is a good tier list tho
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tdMnSucPH4E
runic granite
I was just thinking we need a tier list for tier lists
idle copper
I mean the whole underpin thing seems centric to kicking the bombs but theyve designed so you cant kick the bombs half the time
solid sun
I never had an issue kicking them tbh
idle copper
ive tried setting interact to mouseover and target ill be stood on it and half the time its not kicking them
frosty mango
I was just thinking we need a tier list for tier lists
dont worry ive got prot warrior tier lists on lock
mild river
dont worry ive got prot warrior tier lists on lock
Lol
undone beacon
I put Prot Warrior in P tier for Prot Warrior
Need it to be like PHP, which stands for PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor
Gods most powerful acronym
paper sundial
gearing my prot for next tier should i just put my second embellishment on boots since we are getting the new back armor
solid sun
Need it to be like PHP, which stands for PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor
It's cool how what PHP stands for starts with PHP:
stray wharf
small steeple
It's cool how what PHP stands for starts with PHP:
It’s PHP: all the way down
strong fox
Is this talent still ass?
Unsure with the new FBV value if this becomes worth the point
Just trying to parse through the new talent tree before heading into some PTR keys
jagged pier
its a must have as colossus pretty much
frosty mango
Making it one point is pretty solid
frosty mango
@undone beacon please do some Druid outreach and teach other Druids how to catweave properly
jagged pier
they dont want too
frosty mango
I’m tempted to main Druid next tier just for the easy parses
frosty mango
think they shouldnt need to shapeshift
“Plays Druid”
ew shapeshifting
jagged pier
yes
frosty mango
I soaked the bombs in cat form on gally, that was a bad plan
Good thing frenzied regen exists
undone beacon
I’m tempted to main Druid next tier just for the easy parses
This is so real
I’m going to pioneer a brand new Moonkin-weaving Elunes Chosen Bear Build, it’s gonna be giga
frosty mango
I got r6 on stix and I trolled myself so hard
small steeple
I’m going to pioneer a brand new Moonkin-weaving Elunes Chosen Bear Build, it’s ...
my friend @worldly dust has been testing Dotc a ton on ptr
toxic gyro
Making it one point is pretty solid
It gained 5% too and is little better accessible.
undone beacon
DotC is looking pretty solid all in all. Most likely EC will still be the go-to for push keys but DotC’s gap is a lot closer
solid sun
Is it even a gap
Maybe it's more like a li'l baby blip
When you DotC in raid, are you only weaving into kitty form when the other tank has aggro? Or do you do it anytime you need to maintain your bleeds because you have enough defensivey stuff that transitions with you to cat form that it doesn't matter
jagged pier
u can be in cat for 6 seconds at anytime
u keep everything for 6 seconds in cat form after swapping
or somthing like that
small steeple
80% but yeah
pallid quiver
It's a bit less armor unless th
yeah that
Was gonna say unless they changed it, but you keep all the relevant defensive power
You just probably don't want to be in cat when you need to take a tank hit on M Prog
otherwise you probably don't care
small steeple
its enough that he can cat weave in m+ pulls on ptr on a 15
pallid quiver
iirc you also keep ironfur stacks and anything else rolling, so you're mega fine in M+ pulls
solid sun
Super neat
frosty mango
u can be in cat for 6 seconds at anytime
thats wussy talk
ill eat a tankbuster in cat if I dont think ill die
pallid quiver
thats wussy talk
i mean 6 seconds is enough time to get the bleeds up; it's not like cat has a massive amount of upfront damage
frosty mango
although i admit i did die a lot figuring out the "not die" part
solid sun
Would you eat a big mama buster as a cat?
small steeple
Would you eat a big mama buster as a cat?
thats lioke the bigggest one that hurst bear so prolly not lmao
frosty mango
i mean 6 seconds is enough time to get the bleeds up; it's not like cat has a ma...
dont underestimate the amount of damage you get out of shred and ferocious bite
frosty mango
Would you eat a big mama buster as a cat?
ive never dotc in floodgate but probably not
but for example I can eat the vexie tankbuster as cat
you can also time your shift back for wildshape mastery to heal
solid sun
One of my favorite parts of season 3 is no more Vexie
I'm thinking about uploading clips to discord this next season so y'all can see the funny ways I do oopsies
frosty mango
One of my favorite parts of season 3 is no more Vexie
I enjoyed this tier
but not as much as others, we haven't had a really good raid in some time
nathria is the last raid I thought was like fun to do repeatedly
obviously subjective
imo raids like nathria, throne of thunder, ulduar, and even karazhan were really engaging
solid sun
I'm just an AOTC raider, so I've pretty much enjoyed all the raids we've done
frosty mango
all of those had mechanics that you still had to do, dances and fun stuff
all of the raids now you can basically just faceroll into the ground
I also have kind of a cursed raid take though, I think RWF should be ilvl synced and on a tournament realm so
solid sun
We had some amount of strugglies on Kyveza, but the worm and Queen Dumpy were pretty tough for us to overcome
frosty mango
I think ovinaxx was the big reason why they're taking their addon stance now
that was basically the pinnacle addon boss - I don't think it was possible in mythic without them
solid sun
This raid was definitely significantly easier than Palace, but our group seemed to enjoy it overall.
At least going through it once. None of us ever seem too keen to reclear outside of maybe once or twice for people who couldn't be there for the initial kill
Everyone adored the raids of SL
Well, everyone meaning the people I game with
The first raid of DF was decent, but nobody liked the second raid. Amirdrasil was a mixed bag
frosty mango
I thought shadowlands had great raids mostly carried by art and encounter design
Same with dungeons
Nothing beats mop though. Mop was peak wow and I will never be convinced otherwise
quaint granite
I do miss a lot of things about MoP, especially as a Warrior. Almost enough to make me want to level a toon to get to MoP Classic for the lolz.
mighty valley
It’s funny that it was so loudly hated on at the time
quaint granite
What, MoP? I mean a lot of people made Kung Fu Panda jokes at the time but I knew to let Blizz cook.
solid sun
Yeah, MoP was def hated when it was live
And then the last tier lasting for like a year or w/e it was certainly didn't help
mighty valley
Yeah, the sub numbers were still dropping from the peak and forum whiners yelled about pandering to china and babyfying the game etc
quaint granite
Siege being long is its own thing sure. I suppose I can't say I had a great feel for public perception back then but I can't think of many things in MoP I disliked. Maybe the farm, maybe?
It did come off of the tail end of Cata, which everyone def hated, too, so that's a thing.
pallid quiver
My biggest issue with MoP Classic is the metric shit tons of changes they made
i really just wanted mop again
warm plinth
Luerce is just salty that he can't troll in LFR
Literally his only issue with MoP classic
frosty mango
Yeah, MoP was def hated when it was live
I don’t think so though
Before it released there was definitely a lot of vocal hate but by the time people got into it I think that largely went away
By throne of thunder it was for sure gone
Except for oondasta he got a lot of (rightful) hate
quaint granite
Yeah I know people were mad about pandas not being dark enough for Warcraft leading up to it but I don't remember hearing anything like that once the xpac got going.
kind urchin
What I find weird is when MoP was announced and throughout the expansion there was a ton of hate but now it's looked at as one of the best expansions of all time.
quaint granite
Ya there was a lot to complain about for WotLK looking back. It was my personal peak for being part of a big community in WoW tho, which meant a lot.
Still waiting for my dance studio, Blizzard.
proven stratus
Before it released there was definitely a lot of vocal hate but by the time peop...
No it didn't. It sucked ass
proven stratus
What I find weird is when MoP was announced and throughout the expansion there w...
If you were a casual andy mop was good
frosty mango
Mop sucked ass or the feedback sucked ass, we need to clarify
proven stratus
Mop sucked ass or the feedback sucked ass, we need to clarify
Yes
Hunters being broken in pvp the entire fucking xpac
proven stratus
I still get mop flashbacks everything I hear a Stampede
That fucking xpac is trash and should be remembered as such
Started the CoD style talent system
Removed rep tabards
quaint granite
Idk I felt so useful in MoP. Skull Banner, Disrupting Shout, Vigilance. It was nice. I think a lot of people look back on MoP fondly when it comes to class design.
frosty mango
That fucking xpac is trash and should be remembered as such
How do you feel about wod
solid sun
I loved the mop talents
proven stratus
How do you feel about wod
WoD was good if you were a gold farmer
pallid quiver
Luerce is just salty that he can't troll in LFR
This is true, but my jimmies started getting the most rustled when they added in balance changes from WoD
proven stratus
Has my favorite raid boss, but on the whole probably not that good
Assran will always be Assran
solid sun
If you judge it purely by what they released, I feel like WoD is lowkey really good.
What made WoD not so great was how much got cut
frosty mango
Wod raids were good
proven stratus
If you judge it purely by what they released, I feel like WoD is lowkey really g...
You mean the rushed as fuck third tier?
That clearly shows it was rushed out?
solid sun
Which raid was the third tier? hellfire citadel? One of the greatest and coolest raids ever?
proven stratus
The zone was rushed
The entire xpac was tbf
But that one in particular was bad for it
mighty valley
WoD had a ton of the leveling improvements they continued in legion
Good raids
But otherwise some obvious flaws lmao
solid sun
I thought the zones were sick
normal rampart
I loved the mop talents
Same. Logic for it was great too
All theses nodes that mean nothing can easily get trimmed and baked in
solid sun
I enjoyed the raids
proven stratus
The only boss that was fun in WoD was Margok, but that's also because I loved how long the fight was
It felt like a real end boss for a raid
proven stratus
The less I say about Garrison farming the better
The mechanic that actively rewards you for not leaving the house
proven stratus
People are still using their WoD gold now
That shit was a money printer until SL where they finally nerfed it enough so people didn't come back to it
undone beacon
I just hope I can have my battle pets wandering my player home like they could the garrison
quaint granite
Surely they like let 5 of your favorite pets wander around or sumn
rancid tiger
That shit was a money printer until SL where they finally nerfed it enough so pe...
I think my m8 had like 20 chars with garrison
And ships made gold via phone app wasnt it?
frosty mango
I just hope I can have my battle pets wandering my player home like they could t...
Listen all I need from player housing is the same thing I need from FFXIV
A guild house with a jumping puzzle, a repair npc, an auction house, and a set of training dummies
If we don’t get that I will deem the project a complete and utter failure and claim it cost us a raid tier
small steeple
A guild house with a jumping puzzle, a repair npc, an auction house, and a set o...
Don’t forget the rooftop course to train agility
Wait
Wrong game
lol
neon elk
The housing probably wouldnt be anything big , a big cash grab most likely , imho
frosty mango
My wife just threatened to kick me out of the car because of my “violently offensive shit-wind”
Peak marriage vibes
jagged gust
every relationship needs one partner with a lactose/gluten intolerance to keep things spicy
frosty mango
She’s allergic to gluten I just love meat
chilly brook
But they are making it hard
Honestly DT story just killed any motivation I had to play DT lmao
frosty mango
Honestly DT story just killed any motivation I had to play DT lmao
Story isn’t terrible it’s just they keep not innovating
Mechanically the game is not hard it’s just memorization
chilly brook
Technically the same could be said about wow
Wow is don’t stand in bad
And kick
Gg ez
frosty mango
Yeah but wow is dynamic
In ff everyone does the same mechanic at the same time every time and if someone screws up you wipe
Every single fight flows the same
It’s like synchronized swimming and wow is like….
Semi organized chaos
Like trying to organize a group of kindergarteners to do something, like they obviously kinda get it but it’s still chaos
proven stratus
And ships made gold via phone app wasnt it?
Ye
rancid tiger
Semi organized chaos
Which is why we love it
knotty pewter
Is Stormstrike damage considered physical?
quaint granite
Physical and nature.
serene estuary
its chaos for hundreds of pull until it click and boss die, i dont think any game have have something that feel similar as a end of tier boss kill tbf
frosty mango
Ff is similar in progression but each pull is the same
You will always get the same mechanic at the same time - which is almost always “stand in this specific spot”
So it makes prog very mind numbing
The game really approaches challenge as a byproduct of memorization, the hardest fights are the ones that are the longest/compress the most things to remember
Wow does a much better job of bringing class utility and dynamic mechanics to it, not every pull is the same
small steeple
Is Stormstrike damage considered physical?
physical and nature, but whichever one will do more damage is what its calculated as technically
small steeple
Wow does a much better job of bringing class utility and dynamic mechanics to it...
never played ff14, so how does tanking there work? I've heard its, kinda just a dps that takes damage
knotty pewter
physical and nature, but whichever one will do more damage is what its calculate...
I'm just trying to understand it's interaction with touch and or brand
sharp gale
never played ff14, so how does tanking there work? I've heard its, kinda just a ...
Like wow basically, dps taking damage and aggro is even less an issue
frosty mango
never played ff14, so how does tanking there work? I've heard its, kinda just a ...
Yes basically works exactly like wow
sharp gale
It’s been a while I didn’t play, but you also have to take into account m+ or multi targets is not a thing in FF14
So look like : it is raid wow tanking
frosty mango
No it’s like that in dungeons
quaint granite
I'm just trying to understand it's interaction with touch and or brand
Brand is 3% now obvs but ya
sharp gale
No it’s like that in dungeons
I wouldn’t count the trashs between bosses in dungeons as really a big thing, idk if you understand
Bc compared to the bosses, they are just melee shitters
frosty mango
lol
frosty mango
I wouldn’t count the trashs between bosses in dungeons as really a big thing, id...
ive played it extensively and I agree
but gameplay wise its still kinda similar
healers are diff in that they spent 95% of their time dpsing
tanking in ff I find frustrating because you have to drag the boss all over the place
sharp gale
Yes, it was more to say the role of m+/dungeon as tank is not a thing/ not different than raid tanking in wow (bc you do trashs in raid too lel)
frosty mango
yeah thats fair
if the game had an updated engine it could be very, very good
I feel like they are so limited
sharp gale
Yes how enemies move bc server ticks are a big issue
They are heavy limited bc engine, it is sad bc it is an awesome game
And when talking about FF class and role, I think I need to remind ppl you can play everything on 1 char
frosty mango
I wish you could change job in combat
Like the shadowbringers trailer
They got me good with that one
agile elbow
I remember when XIV was a good game. Ahh, those past memories.
violet ginkgo
Was? Now it’s no longer good then?
tribal wharf
never was
wow better than ff14
somewhat kap but not really
besides some very questionable choices in wow game design (like you can learn divine intervention on classic HC, a spell that you press it and it instantly kills you...................
in the mode where you get sent to the banished zone, instead of the graveyard
and like, a ton of other problems with paladin old and new problems, old being that anything besides healing is a joke, by design, that you have to take objectively shit talents to be a tank, and dps isnt hot, and then in modern prot is busted as hell since legion
jagged gust
Paladins had one point in classic, and that was trolling with bubblehearth
tribal wharf
i don't think i will ever be able to be unmad about that
runic granite
dont worry ive got prot warrior tier lists on lock
We back!
tribal wharf
that you have to take a talent that requires you to be victim of critical strike as prot paladin (never want to be crit as tank)
i've been mad about 2004 paladin talent trees ever since 2004, and i cant unmad from that
if i want to play a game that is big middle finger to the player, im going to find a single player game
small steeple
besides some very questionable choices in wow game design (like you can learn di...
pog move tbh
total gigachad
tribal wharf
ONE GUY!!!???!?!?
NO CONTINUES????!!?!
cuz some asshole, made a engineering bomb to kill your bank at the mail box
i'd play it if death wasn't totally binary
viral grove
I know it's late in the season but I just beat underpin?? With prot warrior and I am very proud.
scenic beacon
Anyone got any random p war tips for this season? I’ve just stTted playing it again
I’m only 650 rn
Sure can pump pretty hard in big packs
wintry bough
Zug zug
The most important thing this season was to press demolish whenever you are 100% sure you won't have to move, besides that warrior didn't change too much on the gameplay side
scenic beacon
Gotcha gotcha
Demolish does a shit ton of dam
I’ve been hitting avatar, dragon, whatever the aoe thingy is and demolish
I’m low gear so idk, I’ve been getting trucked in some 10s lol
Timed all, but still
wintry bough
yup its very strong, also the other side of decision making is when to dump rage into ignore pain vs revenge (you'll have to feel it out when you can do more dps vs when you need to survive)
nah prot is strong as long as its not bleeds that are killing you
wintry bough
that's what I always loved about prot war, you actually feel like a warrior charging in and killing everything
even if its not S tier usually
its fun to play and you feel like a tank
on dh I felt more like a dps than a tank
scenic beacon
I always like to play the non meta, brew specifically
Just wanted to try prot again and see what’s up
wintry bough
its very fun also if you know when to use spell reflect that's big dps
you just snap on the dps meter (but you need a team to communicate when you are reflecting so nobody kicks)
scenic beacon
Yeah pugs either don’t let me spell reflect or don’t kick anything
I have a player that shows me in purple when to spell reflect
So I’ve been hitting all of the@
frosty mango
Yeah pugs either don’t let me spell reflect or don’t kick anything
I use the addon RSA
to announce when I spell reflect
it says "SPELL REFLECT DO NOT KICK"
scenic beacon
Got you, I bet a WA is out there for it too
frosty mango
im sure there is, I use RSA in general across a lot of chars so I just wrote one for it in there
scenic beacon
I see I see
small steeple
im sure there is, I use RSA in general across a lot of chars so I just wrote one...
RSA? I've been using a WA for spell reflect annoucment and it shows how much damage it does
frosty mango
RSA? I've been using a WA for spell reflect annoucment and it shows how much dam...
i only have like 10 addons
i dont really use much
undone beacon
Three of them are related to Xal’atath feet at least mmhm
small steeple
worthy lichen
Is this talent bugged? 2 752 066 / 1 326 198 = 2.075, when it should be around 2.2
undone beacon
https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal%27atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385...
saving this for uhhhh uhhhhh reasons
frosty mango
Is this talent bugged? 2 752 066 / 1 326 198 = 2.075, when it should be around 2...
a lot of other factors at play here but most likely just within margin of error
when dealing with averages
you would need to log it to be sure
worthy lichen
a lot of other factors at play here but most likely just within margin of error
ya true
mystic vale
I’m trying to figure out where we are sitting for S3, I keep finding conflicting information saying we are bad or some saying we are good, so do we know where we are?
worthy lichen
currently were not venge
mystic vale
nobody is allowed to be better than blizzard's favourite child
left meteor
Is this talent bugged? 2 752 066 / 1 326 198 = 2.075, when it should be around 2...
Pretty sure critical damage increase is just a flat % damage bonus on top of the existing critical damage bonus and not an actual multiplier on crits, so the expected value is 2.1 here not 2.2
left meteor
that is perhaps easiest to see in an example like this, the Destruction 4pc of Season 1 DF makes crits do 212% damage instead of 200% so the spell effect adds 12 spell critical bonus multiplier.
Cruel Strikes adds 5/10 so the expected result is Execute crits doing 2.1 times as much damage, not 2.2
lunar flare
I’m trying to figure out where we are sitting for S3, I keep finding conflicting...
Impossible to tell until the season starts and the dust settles really
The usual mantra still applies though: play what you want, unless you're pushing title
solid sun
I’m trying to figure out where we are sitting for S3, I keep finding conflicting...
We're fine. We aren't bad, and we aren't OP. We simply exist. And that's fine
frosty mango
I’m trying to figure out where we are sitting for S3, I keep finding conflicting...
Unless you are pushing bleeding edge keys nothing has functionally changed.
Actually if you are pushing bleeding edge keys, nothing changed there either 
waxen quarry
Pretty sure critical damage increase is just a flat % damage bonus on top of the...
ye its some funny wording difference
remember rend and elysian might
back in sl
cautex goat had a video on it
critical strike damage =/= critical damage
or something
agile elbow
Make sure if you're not playing the best class you always reroll to the meta. That way you'll never have to ask how X class is on Y season. You'll already know!
frosty mango
Just be goated
Any class is meta when you play with people who have no idea what they’re doing
undone beacon
If the stinky dps wanna be picky about their tank choice they can enjoy sitting in queues while I get invited to another key mwahaha
plush tendon
I feel like right now tank choice is pretty open
Brew looking good, VDH still strong, Prot Pal does stuff (but I question their general durability) and Prot War is solid AF
solid sun
It’s always open. There are 5.5 tanks to choose from!
plush tendon
Blood and Guardian are a bit sad though
undone beacon
bear stocks are low but DotC going to the moon just you wait
solid sun
I don’t see anything wrong with guardian rn
plush tendon
Im not a guardian expert, but my understanding is that their damage is a bit low
undone beacon
Their biggest hurdle right now is that their damage falls flat compared to other tanks in general, especially factoring in tier sets
Elunes Chosen gets very little from their tier, and DotC has big potential but you're fighting tooth and claw (literally) to still be behind the curve
I wouldnt be shocked if they got another flat aura buff a few weeks after season start
plush tendon
Ive been liking Prot War and VDH so far while I prep for next season
also, Templar Prot Pal is kind of fun (better then lightsmith)
still, Pal feels much more squish compared to my War and DH which I dont like
solid sun
Their biggest hurdle right now is that their damage falls flat compared to other...
Yeah, but if you’re there to not die bear is pretty good at that
plush tendon
and my BDK.... well, hes excited to start playing frost
no more DnD and no more RP Breath
huuuuuge
plush tendon
Yeah, but if you’re there to not die bear is pretty good at that
damage is important, even from the tank role
I could see bear played with a melee heavy comp though
druid buff really cool
solid sun
Depends what you’re talking about.
plush tendon
true; disclaimer must be made, all specs and comps are fine for the vast majority of keys
still bear could use a little damage bump I think
and blood... kind of stuck in the midnight waiting room
only being brought out when a raid fight needs grips
I am not looking forward to not having Abom for keys
frosty mango
I wouldnt be shocked if they got another flat aura buff a few weeks after season...
Dotc looking tasty in raid tho
We gonna be big cat gaming
Someone call Joe exotic because I’m about to be the tiger king up in that raid
undone beacon
Oh yeah in raid its gonna be straight juicin
solid sun
Did you pivot from brew to bear @frosty mango
undone beacon
The bear propaganda is working
frosty mango
No im still playing both
Next tier most likely will do monk first since I’m maining monk and then push m+ on war
I’m aiming for resil 12s by mid week two, I probably won’t go past 16/17s next season on the war unless I do a late season push too
frigid valley
Make sure if you're not playing the best class you always reroll to the meta. Th...
brb rerolling mage
solid sun
I’m aiming for resil 12s by mid week two, I probably won’t go past 16/17s next s...
Just because of time? Or because of pwar in higher keys
frosty mango
Just because of time? Or because of pwar in higher keys
Time - I’ll obviously need to put time into my raiding char and I don’t play that much
A little more now that my daughter is older but my play times are usually late - midnight to 3am est on non raid nights because I wait for the fam to be asleep
undone beacon
ahaha look at this nerd with a healthy family life and boundaries
rugged plinth
I quit CE raiding when my daughter was born 9 years ago.
I just now got time again to do aotc raiding. Wasnt even a choice
agile elbow
brb rerolling mage
Hell yeah. The only class Blizzard cares about (aside from VDH of course)
solid sun
A little more now that my daughter is older but my play times are usually late -...
Makes sense. I can’t stay up that late anymore. I’d be a zombie at work
Of course I also get up at 5:45 for work so that’s 2 hours and 45 minutes of sleepy times
frosty mango
I only sleep 4 hours
Have always been that way
I get up at 730 I go to bed at 3
Even as a kid, drove my parents insane
solid sun
Nice
solid sun
You know how the dungeon journal mentioned that if you touch a singularity during the last boss you are spaghettified
I thought it would be cool if that was a special death condition that blocked brez attempts
nocturne spindle
||spell reflect the spaghetti onto the boss||
solid sun
lol
torn gulch
transform the boss into a purple noodle
torn gulch
I thought it would be cool if that was a special death condition that blocked br...
people are gonna lose their mind of that happens
solid sun
lol
It would be funny if they could make it send you to the create a new character screen
blazing zinc
Hello, for spamming 10s for gearing an alt, would you recommend Colossus or Mountain Thane?
jagged pier
whatever u like
pallid quiver
smh jakey's never looked at a calendar, he doesn't know winter exists
pallid quiver
On the serious note, Jakey's right that it's not on the roadmap. So I'd expect a no, especially since it sounds like they want to keep this trilogy of xpacs a bit closer,
But they could always decide to throw some extra dev work on the downtime to do an S4
undone beacon
I thought there was an interview where they said they werent doing fateds but i might be trippin
pallid quiver
It's good practice for newer devs if they have any
frosty mango
It's good practice for newer devs if they have any
Jokes on us there are no devs
It’s just one dude in a Starbucks vibe coding with cursor
undone beacon
macbook pro with github copilot running while he sips his coffee and watches tiktoks
agile elbow
I think Midnight is going to be a whole lot sooner than previous expansions because this worldsoul saga seems like they're pumping out "mini expansions" to get it going faster. So no S4.
hardy snow
I think Midnight is going to be a whole lot sooner than previous expansions beca...
they already announced along with saga they want to speed up expansions
kind urchin
The goal is 18 month xpacs instead of 24
agile elbow
I think that's their lazy plan, yeah.
solid sun
I won’t mind a little break
Grounded 2 comes out in 8 days and maybe it’ll have a perfectly timed update lined up for when we finish up season 3
frosty mango
Where are the 18 boss deep raids
I’m still waiting on siege of stormwind
We’ve already had anduin, sylvanas, and garrosh as raid bosses
solid sun
Religious zealot paladin guy that can’t be around his wife anymore would go hard as a raid boss
slender bison
sorry if i celebrate in guild im gonna get shot but
As far as I remember the wowhead post, the nighthold golems are bugged and not affected by drop rate?
agile elbow
Let's just rehash the same storyline again. Sylvanas was basically Garrosh, but without screwing with timelines, just reality.
undone beacon
siege of stormwind where we take the deeprun tram to ironforge and blow that up too
frosty mango
Metzen is back in full swing in midnight and mark my words we will end wow with thrall and anduin
frosty mango
It’s his baby, we’re goin back to roots
agile elbow
I mean, you can already infer that we probably lose in some format against Dimensius in Omega because Midnight's focus is the void invading. Kek.
solid sun
siege of stormwind where we take the deeprun tram to ironforge and blow that up ...
Deep run team to iron forge for an entire additional raid as the hidden mythic only phase of the last boss
frosty mango
Nah prince Harry and thrall will end up forging some sort of coalition and factions will go away
It’s the metzen way
slender bison
Midnight is void, so Chogall comes to work with us for "the bad that is about to come". Boom. OGRE allied race. You're welcome
frosty mango
Listen if we had mok’nathal
agile elbow
Dance studio release when
solid sun
What the heck is a mok’nathal
slender bison
I'm happy at this point with dire maul ogre as toy honestly
undone beacon
arent there like, barely actually any moknathal left lore wise?
undone beacon
What the heck is a mok’nathal
half orc half ogre
solid sun
Oh
undone beacon
Like Rexxar
solid sun
I think those are just called Rexxars
Hopefully the old gods aren’t really dead
I like fighting them
agile elbow
No one ever dies. We learned that in Shadowlands where everyone that was dead was alive, but dead, there
🙃
frosty mango
arent there like, barely actually any moknathal left lore wise?
Yeah you know what we got plenty of lore wise
Orcs. And ogres.
undone beacon
so true bestie
though i will never be satisfied until they make Kelfin playable
HUGE missed oppurtunity
frosty mango
Listen I just wanna know how we got vulpera
A race no one ever heard of or gave a shit about
quaint granite
Blizz decided that the Horde wasn't furry enough
undone beacon
They had a ton of story involvement in the same patch that gave us Mechagnomes so theres a foil there, it would've given the horde an interesting and unique nautical themed race, and they were literally already there fleshed out with a history and culture that fits the horde to a T
A race of enslaved water goblins that banded together with other enslaved ocean races to fight against the naga? Its literally just the horde but in the ocean
Instead blizzard opted for the furry bait race smh
solid sun
What’s wrong with Vulpera
At least they’re designed to look decent
Drakthyr can’t even say that
quaint granite
I think that dracthyr looks get too much hate but that is definitely 90% me just thinking they look cool while they're Soaring
agile elbow
I personally like how Mechagnomes have fleshy tops and robotic bottoms yet Khadgar is still in a wheelchair.
undone beacon
Dracthyr look cool but are hamstrung by the fact that you cant transmog with them. Literally if you could apply mogs to dragon form people would love them
solid sun
Hard disagree. They just look like poop
Only time they look decent is when they look like a completely different race
undone beacon
I would 110% play a dracthyr in dragon form over a vulpera any day of the week but
Thats a matter of personal preference
agile elbow
If XIV can give Viera and Hrothgar hats, WoW can give Dracthyr transmoggable salamander form.
solid sun
Imagine deciding to give us a reptilian race but it isn’t sethrakk
undone beacon
I mean, some people willingly play gnomes so like, they can't all be winners
quaint granite
I mean I don't think anyone is protesting about us getting a dragonkin race. A lot of people just hate how they look. Sethrakk would have been dope tho.
undone beacon
I dont think they'll ever add sethrakk because theres no real lore justification for them to show up on either side. Especially since horde already took a vol'dun race
undone beacon
there is a part of me that wanted to re-roll to mecha-gnome
I'd swap to a mechagnome for the bit if it didnt cost real life money. I played one during plunderstorm though because lmao
tribal wharf
i would want it because then i always never need to find an anvil, forge, stove, keys, bunch of other shit
frosty mango
Vulpera were basically “hey we exist”
tribal wharf
split into bunch of dudes taht do my bidding
undone beacon
I didn't say they arent cool, they just dont have a lore justification to ally up y'know
tribal wharf
but im a god damn gnome
frosty mango
Neither do Vulpera
tribal wharf
what about mecha troll or goblin
frosty mango
Just delete the vulpera and give us Sethrak, ezpz
undone beacon
But rooooidddd we saved them from the alliannceeeeee
solid sun
Panda have no reason to join the horde and arguably neither race
frosty mango
Or give me og arrakoa
undone beacon
what about mecha troll or goblin
water goblin or bust
tribal wharf
they should be blowing them selfs up, they arent too bright goblins and trolls
undone beacon
by og do you mean tbc arrakoa because they were fun
agile elbow
Remember when Draeni were The Broken and not ugly space goats? Bring them back.
frosty mango
No the arrakoa before they went all hunchback of notre dame
frosty mango
Gul Dan, bc arrakoa - same vibes
quaint granite
Kinda surprised we didn't get them at the end of DF
silk kiln
Niffen>>>>>
quaint granite
Also wouldn't mind a Taunka skin for Tauren or sumn
Wonder what the chances of getting Ethereals are. If we were going to, the patch where we go to K'aresh would be the time to do it.
Blizz has to know how much money they would make on race changes if they dropped them, especially if they have good racials.
undone beacon
I mean, just cuz we interact with a race doesn’t mean we’re gonna be able to play as them
I remember when everyone was like, all these SL races are gonna be allied races!!!
frosty mango
I mean, just cuz we interact with a race doesn’t mean we’re gonna be able to pla...
It should
pallid quiver
i think fictional worlds are more interesting with limitations, personally
I actually don't think we should be able to play as every race
I'm also actually not as fond of how broad classes per race are, either.
the limitations are interesting to me; having a full melding pot for people is, like,
i just lose interest
frosty mango
I actually don't think we should be able to play as every race
Yes we should, if there are lore reasons
quaint granite
It's just that people have wanted to play as Ethereals since BC and this patch is literally all about them.
frosty mango
Ethereals are notoriously neutral though
pallid quiver
Speaking as someone who likes ethereals a lot, I prefer them to be entirely unrelated to the factions and to be very minimal contact
It just makes them more interesting
quaint granite
WC3 gobbos were mostly mercs iirc but it all worked out. The faction conflict is dead in the story anyway, just rando Ethereals helping us out with stuff.
frosty mango
I do think we should get more playable races but also that racials should be changed to backgrounds and decoupled from race
pallid quiver
This has nothing to do with faction conflict tho
They're just more interesting to be people we randomly deal with from time to time, like merchant caravancs
Not even mercenaries, just like, they're there, we know they're there, but they're just off doing their own shit
quaint granite
Yea just saying them "picking a side" doesn't really matter anymore for the story. Just anyone willing to work with/for us can prolly make sense as an allied race.
solid sun
To me, the more options we have the better
I also like racial abilities being decoupled from race and turned into chosen backgrounds
frosty mango
Decoupling racials into backgrounds has zero negative impact and only makes balancing easier
They just don’t do it because then everyone would just play elves
nocturne spindle
i mean
frosty mango
also money
This too
nocturne spindle
arent all the best racials elves anyway
literally everyone who can be a nelf is
solid sun
Technically if you decoupled racials from from races and also added a background change product similar to race changes
And then buffed and nerfed backgrounds as popularity dictated
frosty mango
Yes do that please
solid sun
You could make more money couldn’t you?
frosty mango
That would still be better than the dumb system we have now
solid sun
I agree. I’m just responding to the money argument
jagged gust
because if you can choose what you look like, you won't get buyers remorse after chasing the meta
Luckily remix makes it really easy to make high level alts
warm plinth
Remove shadowmeld imo.
solid sun
Don’t you think it’s a little too iconic to be axed
quaint granite
They made a Shadowmeld potion that says something ig
solid sun
Just means two shadowmelds
proven stratus
Just means two shadowmelds
They can make it so that the potion & racial share a cd
agile elbow
I have a feeling it will somehow trigger the racial shadowmeld CD too if used on a NE.
proven stratus
It's how Trinket works with Human racial atm
solid sun
You can directly address shadowmeld by adding stealth detecting mobs to dungeons can’t you? So when they see too many nelfs just do that
It doesn’t necessarily have to be deleted
proven stratus
Then rogues get taken for Distract
solid sun
So? Rogues never get taken so maybe that’s a plus
proven stratus
And then we go back to Nelf Rogue
agile elbow
You know, they can release this somewhat decent MoP classic trailer but then we get that absolutely sloppy in-game cinematic for the one armed chick and that Arathi lady.
frosty mango
Isn’t the arathi lady the one armed chick?
frosty mango
Arathi isn’t arathor?
solid sun
The one armed chick is from the other side of the world iirc
frosty mango
arathi
Arathor
Arator
Arator confirmed main character in midnight
agile elbow
Either way, the most recent retail cutscene was absolutely terrible.
solid sun
Why
frosty mango
Either way, the most recent retail cutscene was absolutely terrible.
That’s because it was ai generated
solid sun
We’ve had in game cutscenes before
frosty mango
I didn’t watch it but I’m going to pretend I did
solid sun
Why is this one specifically getting so much hate for it
agile elbow
Did you watch it? It looks like an intern made it that has only played with editing for 6 minutes.
Meanwhile, go watch the Wrathgate Cinematic.
proven stratus
The one armed chick is from the other side of the world iirc
The cripple yeah
solid sun
Yeah, it looked like all the other in game cutscenes where they just used the models with primitive animations
It isn’t one of their giga highly produced ones
warm plinth
Don’t you think it’s a little too iconic to be axed
No
Shadowmeld was basically nothing outside of pvp for like 15+ years
proven stratus
Racials probably won't get axed
warm plinth
I mean, removed, changed, whatever
They changed arcane torrent when it became too dominant. Idk why they're dragging their feet with shadowmeld
ebon cape
Does the 2set bonus on live still trigger shield wall if shield wall the ability is on cd? Or does it trigger one of your shield walls?
warm plinth
It's completely separate
tribal wharf
in something like classic + i would double down on racial abilities tune them slightly upwards, and, they have 2 weapon specializations each, 1 for caster 1 for melee doesnt really matter though its just +5 max dagger skill
ebon cape
It's completely separate
👍We don’t whirlwind in aoe if thunderclap is on cd?
solid sun
No
jagged gust
WW is revenge but worse
tribal wharf
remove whirl wind from prot spell book
warm plinth
It should be left in the spellbook to rot
warm plinth
I agree with yogi for once
frosty mango
👍We don’t whirlwind in aoe if thunderclap is on cd?
You will never ever whirlwind or slam as prot
See @warm plinth for more details
proven stratus
They changed arcane torrent when it became too dominant. Idk why they're draggi...
They changed AT when they changed how silences work
proven stratus
Remove whirlwind and slam from prot's spellbook
Slam in pvp
tribal wharf
literally have it so that slam becomes shield slam and ww becomes revenge
proven stratus
250% pvp modifier
tribal wharf
i mean, prot pvp thought
jagged gust
Why is it there
Give us the ability to block with a 2H weapon, then we can be the slam tanks
warm plinth
They changed AT when they changed how silences work
Huh?
tribal wharf
for like the 4 players that play prot warrior pvp
proven stratus
Give us the ability to block with a 2H weapon, then we can be the slam tanks
Fury moment
proven stratus
for like the 4 players that play prot warrior pvp
@pastel summit
frosty mango
So whirlwind and slam exist as prot because you can technically stance dance into battle with a 2h sword and we/slam
warm plinth
AT was nerfed in Legion when it was dominant, and then changed completely going into bfa.
frosty mango
Same as on arms/fury you have shield slam
But no one ever does that
Because it is bad
proven stratus
AT was nerfed in Legion when it was dominant, and then changed completely going ...
They also shat on silences wholesale as well
warm plinth
How so?
pastel summit
for like the 4 players that play prot warrior pvp
u rang
solid sun
Wait what. Isn’t the vdh sigil a silence that both locks out and interrupts?
warm plinth
Silences never interrupted unless they had an interrupt component. E.g. solar beam before they added the interrupt functionality would just do nothing against unsilenceable mobs with interruptible casts
They stop the cast because they silence the mob
tribal wharf
i think it was spell lock
and then you couldnt cast earth shit any more
no idea if thats still a thing, cant imagine
pastel summit
ya like they had to add an interrupt to axe toss n sp silence so they worked in dunjos
warm plinth
Yep
proven stratus
Silences don't lockout yeah
warm plinth
Yeah please let it stay dead where it belongs
ebon cape
Some times I feel like I just don’t have time to gather mobs with revenge and I want to run by and whirlwind while I gather, I’m griefing? @warm plinth
warm plinth
Yes
jagged gust
Negative armour values were funny
warm plinth
I mean griefing is putting it strongly but you're not doing yourself any favors. How do you have time to whirlwind but not revenge?
jagged gust
Some times I feel like I just don’t have time to gather mobs with revenge and I ...
You're playing colossus yeah? Gathering is one of the negatives of the spec imo
warm plinth
You should be strafing when moving between packs, not running directly away
ebon cape
I mean griefing is putting it strongly but you're not doing yourself any favors....
Because revenge makes me look at them. I’m going forward and the mobs are in a group slightly to the right. Revenge is annoying if it misses some
tribal wharf
just keep spaming tricks on my rogue buddy and he does the same and we both get dps and just vanish it away, sure
ebon cape
Evoker is pulling off me almost immediately
warm plinth
Revenge is 180 degrees
jagged gust
revenge does so much more than WW tho
warm plinth
Mobs to the side are still hit
tribal wharf
or, that was part of my plan at least
ebon cape
I’ll try it. Honestly haven’t tried so idk
warm plinth
Go watch any of my vision videos and you'll see me using that 180 degrees on shaw and alleria
To not face the eye
But my revenge is still hitting them
frosty mango
Because revenge makes me look at them. I’m going forward and the mobs are in a g...
Conversely you should be looking at them while gathering
Whirlwind or no if you just let the mobs blast your back you’re going to fall over and die
proven stratus
Yeah, positioning and movement are key
solid sun
Also if the evoker is pulling off you immediately let them die
proven stratus
You can't just let them bootytickle you like that
warm plinth
Yeah like...they gotta learn somehow
frosty mango
There are very few difficult pulls for gather once you understand the tools and directionality
Priory first pull can be tough, a few floodgate pulls
jagged gust
I’ll try it. Honestly haven’t tried so idk
Just without overexplaining it, here's a visual of what talents affect Revenge Vs. WW
ebon cape
Whirlwind or no if you just let the mobs blast your back you’re going to fall ov...
It’s more of trying to simulate throwing a sigil and hopping away then gathering around the corner or something like that. Idk
frosty mango
It’s more of trying to simulate throwing a sigil and hopping away then gathering...
You have ravager
Functionally the same as a sigil
You also have heroic throw which does a significant amount of threat
ebon cape
So instead I guess I have to try to do a full look and revenge and not ww. Yah but I use ravager for big threat after gather for the targets that have little threat on the gather
ebon cape
You also have heroic throw which does a significant amount of threat
On 1 tar only, right?
frosty mango
You also have leap, charge, intervene
proven stratus
On 1 tar only, right?
You can spam it
frosty mango
On 1 tar only, right?
Yes but you can tab
warm plinth
How you pull as pwar is how you should pull on any tank really. Other tanks (like vdh) give you bad habits imo
frosty mango
How you pull as pwar is how you should pull on any tank really. Other tanks (li...
Dunno bear is pretty ez
warm plinth
You should minimize movement and aim to pull packs to you, not the ither way around
Other
You shouldn't be doing what vdhs do and leaping to 18 places during a pull
jagged gust
ravager overall is a pretty small % of your damage
warm plinth
Like my pulls are a charge, a leap, and then a couple heroic throws to pull whatever is left
frosty mango
Good vdhs move very little on gather, they use their sigils to pull and then chains to group as they move in
frosty mango
Warrior is functionally similar, you can range with ravager and charge>revenge another range pack, then leap back and plant as they converge. Roar during the converge will pretty much keep mobs on you
jagged gust
Like I want to say it's on average 2-3% of my damage, as long as it's hitting something and generating rage you're happy. It's great gather utility
small steeple
Dunno bear is pretty ez
thrash thrash moonfire go brrr
frosty mango
Sense is pretty solid with gather, so is critcake if you can find some vods of him playing prot
If you want some visualization
undone beacon
thrash thrash moonfire go brrr
Mangle thrash lunarbeam moonfire mangle thrash moonfire moonfire
ironfur ironfur ironfur
small steeple
brrr brrr brr
undone beacon
INCARRRRN mangle thrash mangle thrash mangle thrash
small steeple
rocket ship noises
shy python
Any idea why /cast Shield Slam /cast Charge macro doesnt work in MoP? It does SS but no charge
frosty mango
Both are on the gcd yea?
frosty mango
Charge wasn’t on the gcd in mop?
frosty mango
Does it still have a min range?
shy python
Yes but this can't be the matter
quaint granite
Just looking on MoP WoWHead I don't see one
frosty mango
Yes but this can't be the matter
Is charge the first skill in the macro?
frosty mango
The goal is to charge and slam immediately right?
shy python
Is charge the first skill in the macro?
yes
shy python
The goal is to charge and slam immediately right?
No. It's just for button saving. Charge at range, Slam in melee
I use this in retail for ages now
solid sun
Roid we got a new tier list
frosty mango
Interesting
solid sun
I think it may be more accurate than yours
frosty mango
Roid we got a new tier list
are we s+++++
solid sun
shy python
quaint granite
That's what I figured it was gonna be lol
shy python
On "2" is the makro. On a-3 is the skill itself
I got a /charge /hamstring macro too. This works
nocturne spindle
put charge first in the macro?
frosty mango
Does castsequence work?
frosty mango
Probably a bug then
shy python
Yeah
nocturne spindle
if your saying your hamstring one works
its probably just formatted wrong
like a weird space in the front
or something
shy python
if your saying your hamstring one works
The hamstring macro works in arms spec but not in prot spec
nocturne spindle
idk mop but its not like
charge is named differently in prot spec?
or a different spell numbers?
shy python
No it's the same
I Shift+clicked it into the macro as always
Like I said: a simple /cast Charge macro doens't work in prot but in arms
frosty mango
Like I said: a simple /cast Charge macro doens't work in prot but in arms
Try /use charge
Just curious
frosty mango
Shouldn’t matter because it derives the spell from the name (even in mop I think)
frosty mango
Probably some dumb bug related to talents like you said
shy python
Try /use charge
Doesn't work ^^
frigid valley
y
cerulean tusk
Well, it works cause charge aint on the GCD
blissful pecan
Have you tried relogging then using the macro as Prot first? Sometimes macros can break if you use the same spell but swap specs without logging out in between
shy python
Have you tried relogging then using the macro as Prot first? Sometimes macros ca...
Lol yes.. after a relog it worked.
frigid valley
frosty mango
Have you tried relogging then using the macro as Prot first? Sometimes macros ca...
The ol “unplug it and plug it back in”
blissful pecan
Happens in retail too with Druid incarn and potions of different ranks
frosty mango
This guy ITs
shy python
The ol “unplug it and plug it back in”
Yeah.. 😄
Thanks!
blissful pecan
The macro figures out the exact spell to use the first time you hit it and won’t update until you relog
Easiest solution is probably making 2 macros and put one on your prot bars and the other on your arms bars
shy python
Yes. I will see how this works out
mighty valley
I thought I saw that they were removing charge min range for mop classic
thin finch
anyone here is playing ptr and could give some insight on why people are moving back to thane?
nocturne spindle
it does giga damage and big ignore pains with the changed talent
mighty valley
yeah they buffed the tier set enough that it seems competitive
and it's also easier, more snap aoe
but idk, will have to wait for final tuning and sims etc before we can tell how close the damage gap actually is
thin finch
idk I see yoda playing thane and on some pulls it looks giga tanky and in others looks he could die any moment, idk if its a tunning issue
neon elk
Ngl after some recent videos i might become a yoda hate watcher
Especialy on his guides and tierlists
thin finch
lmao why man? he is one of the chillest guys on youtube
neon elk
Its not about him not being chill or whatnot, im also not gona say anything about his gameplay as he achieved a lot, but man his takes and advices on something are .. on next level
thin finch
I see
neon elk
Like recently he made video about tanks , "in depth analys" where he score each aspect by some point in tankines he scored ppal higher than war , in fact he scored ppal on same level as ec gdudu which is like hella tanky
thin finch
look at the bright side if blizzard watches him, they could tune down pally and buff warrior to even out the specs 😄
neon elk
He is probably only tank on ptr that thinks ppal is tanky ngl
thin finch
but yeah its no secret yodas favorite tank is prot pally
plush tendon
Yoda has some bias; he for sure prefers Prot Pal and VDH
jagged pier
the problem with content creators that push high content, is
- they have very good players around them too play with and push
- they have their favourite spec/class etc so are opinionated too sway towards what they like the best, and they dont have the knowledge equally across all the specs
- they are very feelycrafty which leads to alot of missing the mark in terms of good stuff too use etc.
- for literally all players expect them .1% title pushers spec doesnt matter it literally has no impact on how successful u will be.
they are good players but thats doesnt mean u take everything they say at face value, remeber the biggest correlation to io score is infact time spent playing the game. thats literally the biggest metric.
for instance i saw a clip of yoda recently die to a tank mechanic on warrior where he had 2 charges of shiled wall avilable and didnt use it.
also remeber hes put out like what 3 tierlists for the patch already?
neon elk
And its not just this vid , his reasonings are very queastionable
jagged pier
we arent even close to finnaly tuning
how do we know
i think the only class he predicted correctly for S2 was VDH
from what ive been told
plush tendon
it doesnt matter to me; man just trying to make some cash money off youtube
so he can game a bunch
solid sun
It just depends on how you look at it.
neon elk
Im all for someone making living of something u love but man he should at least be correct when he is dishing out info tons of "uninformed" people watch
solid sun
I don't take WoW particularly seriously, so I don't care a lot about what happens amongst the content creators who "cover" it, but if you look at it from some type of moral standing or whatever, I could see how they'd take issue with just spreading misinformation all willy nilly
frosty mango
anyone here is playing ptr and could give some insight on why people are moving ...
TLDR - my opinion based on testing
Thane does similar or slightly more damage than colossus
Is has similar survivability
It is considerably less of a pain in the ass to play in keys
plush tendon
hes a entertainer, not a unbiased source of information
having a cooked take is good for business
solid sun
Yeah, but when he stops presenting the information as "entertainment" and starts presenting it as some type of fact, it stops being entertainment and starts being reporting
frosty mango
In his defense (and it pains me to say it) - he never claimed to be anything other than what he is
He never said he was an expert, or anything like that
frosty mango
it's a thane season if nothing changes
We need to go to the forums and complain more about thane so it gets buffed again
Worked for demon hunters
solid sun
He never said he was an expert, or anything like that
idk, it kind of seems implied pretty heavily, don't you think? He certainly never tries to shy away from being considered an expert. He certainly acts like his experience and experiences have weight to them.
frosty mango
I enjoy the gameplay of both but ngl it would be kinda nice to have easy gather
thin finch
I enjoy the gameplay of both but ngl it would be kinda nice to have easy gather
same. I tend to enjoy colosus a little bit more though ngl
shut summit
faster APM again <:erga:1225875048590737460>
yep was at 105 cpm in a 15 priory, 3min boss fight
frosty mango
idk, it kind of seems implied pretty heavily, don't you think? He certainly neve...
I take issue with the ethical duty of his position to provide good information but at the same time there are very few streamers who actually make good, unbiased content
shut summit
and that's at low ilvl scaling
jagged pier
yep was at 105 cpm in a 15 priory, 3min boss fight
neon elk
Do you play fbv as thane or bv ? Next season i mean, cuz to me fbv looks better cuz u spam ip anwyway so you have a lot of it ? Or ? Is my math not mathing ? ( didnt do any math xd)
frosty mango
yep was at 105 cpm in a 15 priory, 3min boss fight
How many of those were IP
frosty mango
Do you play fbv as thane or bv ? Next season i mean, cuz to me fbv looks ...
You would play bv typically
torn gulch
aren't you scaled to 710 on 15's?
solid sun
What's the ilvl situation on ptr? is the ilvl you're doing 15's and 16's at on ptr what you'd expect to be at when doing those keys? Lower ilvl? Higher ilvl?
torn gulch
that's like 13 ilvls under bis
jagged pier
He never said he was an expert, or anything like that
he doesnt, but the problem is ppl act like he is, which in alot of places they are but then u get the ppl that follow him etc completely argue to the smallest point
even when shown its not the best
frosty mango
he doesnt, but the problem is ppl act like he is, which in alot of places they a...
100% agree
pallid quiver
How many of those were IP <:keks:936231610850897992>
The real question is how many of those were squeak smh
shut summit
Not counting squeak lol
torn gulch
What's the ilvl situation on ptr? is the ilvl you're doing 15's and 16's at on p...
I think you're getting scaled to 710 at those key levels which is hero 6/6 level
pallid quiver
I've seen enough of your logs when using them for helping with log reviews to know your game smh
neon elk
You would play bv typically
Is there any reasoning to it ? Cuz to me stronger IP if u spam IP anyway a lot to dump rage is kinda "pointles"? Isnt even small heal from dots better to have something inbetween IPs?
pallid quiver
Serious note, guess it'll be neat to press a lot of buttons again
assuming i get to play a notable amount of prot next season
frosty mango
Just saying it’s an ethical dilemma not a factual dilemma. Should streamers feel obligated ethically to provide factual information rooted in data given the weight placed on their opinion - it’s a really interesting topic to me because it’s unregulated information and also it can be monetized information
I think they should take into consideration the power of their platform when making statements - but there’s no enforcement mechanism
It’s almost a microcosm of the us political climate where popularity determines reality and not fact
jagged pier
thats not really the issue, i mean it is, but for me the information they are giving is hyper specfic to the content they are doing, that does fit for the majority, but all ppl see is well x ppl are running it so it must be best. which it isnt outside of that content, and in some cases wont actually help u to learn the spec and dugeons etc
frosty mango
Is there any reasoning to it ? Cuz to me stronger IP if u spam IP anyway a lot ...
Your logic tracks but at higher key levels your ignore pain will fall off very quickly - it’s really a question of efficiency, where lower damage intake (to the point that ip is effectively over capped) would make fbv better
But that’s very mathy and honestly I don’t wanna do that math until we’re live
neon elk
Yea understandable, thanks anyway
frosty mango
thats not really the issue, i mean it is, but for me the information they are gi...
Yeah and I agree with you there - I think quazzi is an example of streaming done pretty well
He’s (at least seems to be) unbiased, he’s very data driven, he doesn’t really make bombastic statements
Very analytical
solid sun
He's incentivized to act as an expert, even if he isn't. They all are.
jagged pier
u dont see the problem as much right now, but take the start of this expansion or the start of DF we had ppl copying the top builds and actively making themselves less tanky, while also saying this build is the tankiest build
u see it because u see the block lvls drop
frosty mango
u dont see the problem as much right now, but take the start of this expansion o...
Oh i see it, I’ve tiraded against it here many times, the dangers of aggregate tools and stream mentality vs a data driven approach
I just don’t know how we combat that without firing up our own streams
And fighting fire with fire
frosty mango
Just help the people who venture here and whatever happens, happens
That’s kinda where I am with it
jagged pier
yes exactly but u see a lot of ppl saying yoda or x is running ITF so i am for instance but nither have the haste lvl to actually run it. yodas/x's team can cope and for them it feels better to play. but for jimmy he should in no what be playing ITF as hes stuggling to keep SB up
for instance
you see that a lot
but the streamers never really say its just feel, i believe yoda does sometimes
or is that kira
frosty mango
Yeah, a big one this season is also dropping ravager