protection

[jagged pier]

u mean the 4 bombs u drop?

[severe orbit]

Yeah

[jagged pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZlELEmxMZ8

[severe orbit]

Legend thank you

So you only do 2 of the sets, is it unliveable to do the ones without spellblock? I've been pally on every kill so far and just immune them
My plan for warr is shield wall/spellreflect all 4 -> rotate bombsuit spellblock

[jagged pier]

i dont understand why anyone would do 4 bombs sets that makes 0 sense the tank that does the mechanic can just take them

but u could

the bombs dont hurt

[patent scroll]

Pretty sure we had one tank do all the sets, but our comp was BDK/PPal anyway

[severe orbit]

On pala you can divine shield -> spellward -> divine shield the sets so you take 0 dot damage

Obviously not the same for warr but if its livable its easier to just tank the same way we have been

[patent scroll]

Just ask for externals and run at them

[severe orbit]

^ nice tyty

[violet trellis]

Is bleed going to be a big ting in s3 dungeons aswell? I was thinking about a new race instead of drawf.

[mellow bridge]

i do the first 3 sets of em

sw+sr for every set obv

Spellblock 1+3

last stand 2, might need some extra oomph here depending on how much healing youre getting, how much rage you have for ip etc

[frigid valley]

bruh

[rough egret]

QoL

[severe orbit]

😄 exactly what I had planned with last stand + bombsuit on 2 and 4. If 4 ends up being bad I think swapping to 3 like you and getting the other tank to do the last would be fine. Thanks for sharing

[lofty warren]

Outside of being dwarf is there any way to delete bleeds thay those annoying hoa dogs will be giving

[frigid valley]

evokers

bop

die

[crimson furnace]

Roll brew and dodge all that shit str8 up

…..

[jagged pier]

cba opening the spellbook

[blazing ridge]

I mean I tested the dmg on ptr and it just feels like the gear is not adding anymore dmg to our abilities, like SS, Demolish all hitting for the same amount, doesnt matter if I have my 683 gear or the ptr gear on. Feels like most of the dmg increase ist just from harder ticking dots. I thought our basic abilities would also hit for more. Kinda weird.

[kind urchin]

Were you in instanced content or was this on target dummies? If you were in an instance your item level is scaled.

[blazing ridge]

Nah on the dummies

[cedar kite]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/teleport-me-nu

[jagged pier]

I have like 3 addons i dont want more k thnks

Actually apologies 5

[agile elbow]

Jakey do you have the Xalatath feet addon. Be honest, buddy.

[jagged pier]

Nope

Never even heard of that one

[small steeple]

I thought that was a macro @agile elbow

lol

[red otter]

he lies!

[sharp gale]

How can you play without the feet addon

[undone beacon]

are we talking about the feet during lust wa

[small steeple]

lmao

so many feet

https://tenor.com/view/amanchabukswar-gif-22609133

best feet are cats

[undone beacon]

das beans

[undone beacon]

yasss queen pop offfff

[sweet summit]

check him pc... not normally..

[pulsar wedge]

do we need rend on bars? or does TC auto apply?

[jade pulsar]

automatically applies it

[pulsar wedge]

ty trying tanking again and seeing how it changed

[mellow bridge]

you do not need slam rend whirlwind on your bars

[small steeple]

@warm plinth sorry for ping

lol

[tribal wharf]

if they want yogi never play again

more hoa

plz

also more horrific visions, and player housing, but no wood chopping

absolutely critical to first 3 warcraft games

the most simplest version possible of it ( fuckin, the warlords of draenor minigame where you can chop a tree down dont count due to how limited it is)

is you walk up to trees, do a thing and the tree despawns, and you can loot for logs

i could see it for not being in crafting, for like staffs and bows, weapon handles. twigs and whatever would be all over the place

but unless we are building the houses out of steel and stone and mud and straw, the house i think of is built of mostly wood

[nocturne spindle]

Wasn't there wood chopping in wod

I vaguely remember this

[undone beacon]

there was

You could build a logmill and chop down trees to process into extra garrison resources

it was also the only way for hunters to have a stablemaster in their garrison

[solid sun]

Garrisons were sick

[jagged pier]

thye were good for gold making

[undone beacon]

I look back on garrisons very fondly but I was literally in middle school when WoD released so like

I was just happy to have a cool lil base

[solid sun]

With how single playeresque people seem to want WoW to be these days, I wonder if they would be received better now

[jagged pier]

they are getting housing

which is apprently, very good

[undone beacon]

I am unfathomably excited about the housing system

Everything they have shown so far has shattered my expectations

[jagged pier]

i think it shattered everyone as everyone was pretty sure they wouldnt be able to ever do it

[undone beacon]

No literally

I was expecting just... mini garrisons with all the utility from buildings stripped

Clip into place predetermined furniture slots and layouts and shit

[jagged pier]

yer thats what everyone was, no one thought that they could do free place stuff

but apprently one person was like i have an idea

and that worked its probably spagget on spagget but it works

[undone beacon]

It looks great honestly

I can't wait to have a massive fuckin goblin trashpile housefire

[grizzled nova]

Yeah I was (and still am) convinced that they're not gonna give us like comically granular control that lets us degen decorate houses.

Maybe they follow through with it, but I won't believe until I can actually do it.

[undone beacon]

Idk, the tools showcased seemed pretty intensive

[grizzled nova]

Oh for sure, but a lot can change between a tools showcase and what I'm actually playing.

[frigid valley]

according to the fancy ppl who tried it under NDA u had almost infinite size inside the building

[grizzled nova]

All it takes is one word from one guy on high to ruin the whole thing.

[frigid valley]

and could do whatever u wanted

[undone beacon]

You make a sexcellent point

[jagged pier]

the test houses had like 10k limit, which they said they probably wouldnt give. and limits are gated behind the renown housing thing it look slike

but i reckion u never gunna hit th elimit anyways

[undone beacon]

Having 10k objects in one house is absurd anyways

[frigid valley]

10k points, items cost different amount

[jagged pier]

well like in the test everything of every size was 1, they did say they prbably make bigger items cost more etc

[grizzled nova]

Like all it's gonna take is one person to make a massive veiny wiener out of random objects and then some investor boardperson clutches their pearls and blizzard kaiboshes the whole thing back to you can hang pictures on one of 5 predetermined spots on your wall.

[undone beacon]

I’m continuing to approach it with low expectations so I can be pleasantly delighted as more developments arise

[jagged pier]

there will be epr brothals and casinos

happens in FF with that housing

it will happen in this

[grizzled nova]

100%, I just don't trust Blizzard's tolerance for that to not translate to the system being shit on actual launch, is I guess what I'm saying.

[frosty mango]

The ff erp is next level, not in a good way

I have actual fear for what moon guard is going to look like post housing

[solid sun]

I know we’re getting housing. I’m just curious if garrisons would be received better now

[undone beacon]

i was gonna say its a back of the box expansion feature so it has to be good, then i remembered island expeditions... and warfronts... and covenants...

[frosty mango]

Garrisons were great they were just individual - if they would have done guild garrisons imo they’d have been popular

[solid sun]

Covenants were good

[undone beacon]

Guild garrisons woulda been giga

Covenants were a fucking mess on launch

[frosty mango]

Minus the whole not having any agency thing

[undone beacon]

Conduit power my beloved

[grizzled nova]

Garrisons were bleh asf, functionally they were fine, but they were a huge symptom of the rest of my problem with wod - the whole expansion felt like a wow amusement park and not wow itself.

[undone beacon]

Imagine wanting to swap to a different build. Couldnt be covenants

[frosty mango]

Blizz: “we will not make large changes to covenants once players lock in”
Also blizz: massive mid patch covenant tuning

[undone beacon]

Literally gimped your character progression if you wanted to change your expansion ability

[solid sun]

Minor details

Clearly you guys did not play Kyrian prot paladin and just be the greatest character to exist

[undone beacon]

Being multiple weeks behind on tangible power because you wanted to swap an ability?

[solid sun]

Sucks to choose wrong

[undone beacon]

Not a minor detail at all

[frosty mango]

Uh I played venthyr prot paladin because ashen hallow was the goat

Aoe that covers half an instance ✅

[solid sun]

You sound like a dirty CE raider. I was the lord of m+

I picked Kyrian prot paladin and played that the entire expansion and it was sick as hell

[undone beacon]

Or you play Night Fae MM and then halfway through a season they change the entire thing that made Night Fae MM giga and now you're fucked unless you wanna be behind for three weeks and swap to kyrian

and then you're caught back up and tuning happens and you're fucked again :3

Or you want to play both M+ and Mythic raid but the covenant choice isnt the same between the two

was pretty epic system ngl

[frigid valley]

didnt druid have like a diff cov for each spec?

feral was necro, guardian was venthyr right? balance was fae, cant remember resto

[jagged pier]

guardian was venthyr S2 and onwards

[small steeple]

what was the venthyr abilities for druid?

I only remember NF cause boomkin go brrr

[frigid valley]

increased ur crit or dmg but took hp from u

iirc

[jagged pier]

nah there was venthyr braindead boomkins in S2 too

[urban portal]

Ramping damage per cast

I think it’s ramping haste as well

So you pressed bunch of shit and your last couple globals went giga hard

[solid sun]

Skill issue

[undone beacon]

Ravenous Frenzy. For 20 seconds, each spell you cast gave you a stacking damage, healing, crit, and haste buff buff if you went two seconds without casting it stunned and damaged you

The crit came from the covenant leggo iirc

or a conduit

Giga-incarn for bears

[west perch]

Will we be able to use covenant abilities in hoa coming season? Would be awesome lol

[jagged pier]

no

[west perch]

Sadge

[idle copper]

Thisll probably seem like a really stupid question - whens the best time to use last stand - before or after taking dmg?

[jagged gust]

Defensively when you're about to take a hit you know you're not gonna survive, or before a big pull

In general, whenever your hp drops

[urban portal]

Doesn’t matter too much

Last stand is a heal

[jagged gust]

It's not huge but can help fluff up your HP to cover mistakes or big initial damage intakes, but worst case scenario it's an extra Impending Victory without a GCD

[velvet knot]

guys i cant die to fall damage

i go to 1hp

whats going on

is there a buff/item that stops you from dying to fall damage

[urban portal]

Try turning to dps

And what race are you

[velvet knot]

night elf

night elf prot warrior.

any fall damage reduces me to 1 hp and i dont die

[urban portal]

What if you are dps

[velvet knot]

ill try it after i kill guldan again

[undone beacon]

built different i think

[velvet knot]

i just tested it

something about prot warrior stops you from dying from fall damage

as fury i died

[undone beacon]

Grats on the mount drop

[velvet knot]

ty

i almost have every bounty mount now

[nocturne spindle]

Also

You can pop last stand with BSV procced

For basically full heal

Has some uses with like

Big momma dot

[nocturne spindle]

Where you face tank the hit and self heal the hot towards the end of BSV damage reduction

[frigid valley]

and a follow up, most likely based off of the lvl content, try in open world and maybe take off an item or 2

[sweet summit]

that has to be cap

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/gotcha-wink-see-what-i-did-there-george-seinfeld-gif-16663415890306153303

[frosty mango]

I would say if you’re talented into bsv take it off and see if you still die - or it may just be some wierd scaling

I assure you that prot war can die from fall damage lol

[sweet summit]

bsv did not proc

[frosty mango]

Probably some wierd scaling in night hold then

[tidal scarab]

I managed to get my last of 23 this week. Took me 71 runs of invincible

[orchid narwhal]

If anybody could answer this quetsion

How does WCL pick up on shield charge, because I'm pressing this button pretty much off CD but for whatever reason it doesn't count, is this a known bug?

[shut summit]

only counts as a cast when done from range iirc

checked a couple weeks back and that was the problem then, prolly not changed since then

[orchid narwhal]

What a pain

Thanks boss

[warm plinth]

That sounds miserable. I'm over that place after 1 run XD

[undone beacon]

I’ve killed The Nine 76 times since the start of the event, no horse

I’ve been tracking my missing mounts in a spreadsheet and Sanctum is just a big block of red

[torpid saffron]

Yo, guys.. for keys between 12-16, is it worth picking Battle-Scarred Veteran instead of Indomitable ?

I was arguing with a friend that indomitable is way better in smaller keys, while he copied talents of top prot warrs and insists cheat death is better

[stiff gate]

indom kinda sucks as colossus

but you dont need bsv in 12-15 keys either

you can just play another damage talent like show of force or the other shield charge talent instead

[torpid saffron]

On the other topic, is disrupting shout mandatory tho ?

[stiff gate]

not mandatory but i dont think there's any keys this season where it isn't at least decent.

[torpid saffron]

And between brutal vitality/fueled by violence ?

[torpid saffron]

Got it, thanks!

[stiff gate]

people run both

pick whichever

[torpid saffron]

So, there's no huge diff between them

[torpid saffron]

And for 16+ keys i guess bsv is worth it, right ?

[stiff gate]

not currently, i think next patch FbV is kinda insane

[torpid saffron]

I don't know what it does in next patch, but i heard it got buffed like crazy

[stiff gate]

BSV is worth it at whatever key level you start feeling like you might actually die while playing at your "normal" skill level imo. like personally i dont feel like i make enough mistakes to die in 16s outside of something crazy, but in 17s i just leave it on all the time just in case i make a mistake

[torpid saffron]

Yeah, well he's also beginner on prot warr

So i guess that helps to mitigate some mistakes

[stiff gate]

the things you get instead of it aren't that big of a deal imo, its a few % damage from the talent points you'd take instead

[torpid saffron]

Thanks for your time, brotha!

[chilly brook]

<@&257983573498265600>

[small steeple]

why did I see mr beast spam

[chilly brook]

Somebody trying to scam

[small steeple]

put the scam right to spam

[undone beacon]

awww why am i always working when the spammy scammy shows up i wanna see it LIVE

[tidal scarab]

I have a second account I use for raid lockouts and it was still horriblr

[solid sun]

So what’s the likelihood the last boss of the raid is a dragon riding boss

Or whatever they call that feature now

[torn gulch]

100%

it's in the dungeon journal

[solid sun]

Is it? We already know what he does?

[torn gulch]

the dungeon journal is up on ptr

he fires stars and planets at us in intermission

crazy lasers everywhere

[solid sun]

Lmfao whole ass planets???

[torn gulch]

has 3 stages

one intermission
I can't discern if there is an intermission between phase 2 and 3

[solid sun]

I guess stars are bigger but Mario stars make me think of video game stars as being kinda smaller

[torn gulch]

you fly in both intermissions

with xal'atath

[solid sun]

Are we going to be in for another sylvanas style marathon

Or are we assuming it’ll be closer to maybe 10 minutes or something

[torn gulch]

that we don't know yet

I think at the end of phase 2 xal attacks him really hard and he becomes destabilised

which is a 200% damage amp

you re gonna see a lot of black holes this fight

and star explosions

[solid sun]

That’s cool as hell

Idk how we are supposed to live through black holes but that’s dope

[torn gulch]

you don't

black holes do lethal damage if you touch them

Black Hole: When a star dies a singularity forms in its place, lethally spaghettifying any player it touches.
Spaghettification: Black Holes shred players into their constituent atoms on contact, killing them.

and these apparently are orbiting dimensius

[solid sun]

Are they gravity pulling us

I’m sure forced movement the whole time they’re in play would make everyone happy

[torn gulch]

apparently there are gravity wells that you might have to use in order not to be pulled into the boss

that kills you instantly

[solid sun]

Does it mention like things that aren’t Dimensius that we will be fighting

[torn gulch]

in phase 2 you fight the other void lords he absorbed: Artoshion and Pargoth

and they summon adds

one type of add is gonna do area denial the other one is gonna slow players

[solid sun]

Sounds like a lot of magic damage

[torn gulch]

yes the fight is full of cosmic damage

[solid sun]

Luckily we will have spellbreaker

[torn gulch]

enormous amounts of cosmic damage

cosmic and shadow damage

[inland garnet]

Hey, did someone try to solo Vault of Incarnates Mythic? Is it doable with 0 knowledge of the raid

[frosty mango]

I hope not, FFXIV final bosses are like 13 min mechanicfests and it makes me wanna die

Let’s keep that out of wow please

[torn gulch]

this boss is gonna be a mechanic fest

i'm telling you now

the dungeon journal is long as fuck

[solid sun]

I didn’t mind Sylvanas, but I only ever do N and H. I’m sure the mythic version sucked

[frosty mango]

A long fight can be engaging but progging it is just a slog

Because when you are reliably progressed to 20% but it takes 10 mins to get there, every wipe is just a snooze fest until you get to your prog point

The original sha of fear had this issue

[torn gulch]

there is a nother type of add in phase 1 that has to be killed at the same time or they heal to full
you have 3 seconds

https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-3-raid-manaforge-omega-encounter-journal-in-patch-11-2-377362#dimensius-the-all-devouring-2691-details-abilities
you guys can readthe thing if you want

[solid sun]

Like once one dies you have 3 seconds to kill the other?

[torn gulch]

there are multiple but yes

you have a 3s window from the first dying to kill all of them

otherwise they heal to full

Whenever a Living Mass' health is depleted, it enters a state of Infinite Possibilities for 3 sec, then restores all Living Mass to full health.
Depleting the health of all Living Mass at the same time interrupts this effect and leaves them with only one possibility: Death.

it's a mythic only mechanic these adds

actually wait they are confusing in the dungeon journal

living mass is tagged as mythic but then it says normal heroic raid finder

strange

it seems you have to kill the adds, take something from them, pair up or stack then plant so you don't get pulled into boss and instakilled

and it seems you want to get out of phase one as fast as possible
because otherwise it becomes harder to not get pulled into boss

[solid sun]

Area denial in p1?

[torn gulch]

no that is with the adds in phase 2

so you have adds in phase 1 and in phase 2 but they are different

i'll stop here as i am already getting too offtopic for this channel

[lofty warren]

Still waiting on blizz to revert the 8% revert

[torn gulch]

there is the link above if you want to read more

tbh this fight sound like a mechanic fest

but some parts of it sound funny as hell

you re gonna see players flying around and you have to use your gravity to pull them back to ground

time to grief my group go stand in a corner and let the players fly into boss

[patent scroll]

Sounds like my playtime in KSP will come in handy

[solid sun]

How is the rest of the raid looking

Any bosses outside of this one looking like pug nightmares

Similar to the worm idiot in the Palace

[warm plinth]

Makes you wonder why he doesn't just, you know, throw OUR planet.

[mighty valley]

Why don't bosses just melee the healers

[warm plinth]

Well, that's because the tank said nana nana boo boo

[solid sun]

Is brew still killing it on the ptr

@undone beacon did you get dotc to be a thing next season

[undone beacon]

We’re working on it bb

Soon™

[torn gulch]

you should ask him that

[warm plinth]

You first

[torn gulch]

i'll have to be first as i'll get slammed by him

as a tank

[warm plinth]

Shouldn't have said nana nana boo boo

Kinda brought that on yourself tbh

[torn gulch]

the fight looks like it will be spectacular

that much is right

[warm plinth]

You're spectacular

gottem

[lofty warren]

How good is new dungron from a scale of Freehold to City of Threads?

[warm plinth]

I actually can't tell which of those is on which end of the scale

[mild river]

I love how city was universally hated and still blizz didn't change anything

[frosty mango]

In the middle

Nothing is as bad as cot

[lofty warren]

OrigibL Freehold good cot horrible

[tidal scarab]

M Gally is a pretty easy tank fight

Got pulled in to fill until end of tier since my work schedule rotated around, never even ended up fighting oab or mugzee

[frosty mango]

i felt it was one of the easier CEs period

compared to some of the others it felt pretty simple, mug was ugly tho

[solid sun]

@frosty mango do you like PI

[frosty mango]

As a fat man I love pie

Peach blueberry is my favorite

[solid sun]

With spelling I believe this would be the 3.14159 variety

Have you tried orange blueberry?

[frosty mango]

It’s a useful number, I don’t particularly have an opinion about it

[frosty mango]

No because orange doesn’t belong in pie

[solid sun]

Terrible take

[frosty mango]

Citrus is a flavor element but never the star

Now an orange scone?

I’m all in

[solid sun]

You use orange zest and a bit of juice to complement the sweetness of the blueberries

Any armchair chef knows this

[frosty mango]

I use lemon in my peach blueberry pie but I don’t call it a lemon peach blueberry pie

That’s just a blueberry pie, which is solid, but if you mix in wine berries to make mountain berry pie it’s much better

[solid sun]

Food's website disagrees with you

Blueberry orange pie

[frosty mango]

That’s ok they’re allowed to be wrong

[solid sun]

Blueberry pie doesn't have orange flavoring

It's just blueberries

[frosty mango]

Do you taste the orange in this orange blueberry pie

[solid sun]

Of course you do

Otherwise why would you put it in

[frosty mango]

Then I defer to my original assessment that orange doesn’t belong in pies

But that’s the wonderful thing about pie is that you can have an infinite variety of pies

Like music

[solid sun]

You're never gonna make it on Masterchef

[frosty mango]

All pie is good pie to someone

[solid sun]

When you audition this season

[frosty mango]

I leave the baking to my wife and daughter

Except for tiramisu and crème brûlée

But those aren’t really baking

[solid sun]

I think that's spelled cream Brewlay

It's French

[frosty mango]

Crème brewj(j)

[solid sun]

But anyways do you like PI

[frosty mango]

I have no inclination one way or the other

[solid sun]

I'm not baiting you into a debate. I was just curious

A debait, as it were

[frosty mango]

I truly have no strong feelings towards pi

It’s a concept representing a mathematical constant that I don’t use in my life whatsoever, ergo indifferent

[oblique garnet]

Make better pies then

[frosty mango]

I have this

http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/Orange-Pi-Zero-2W.html

It runs my pihole

So you could say I am an orange pi enthusiast but not an orange pie enthusiast

[oblique garnet]

Im tempted to ban you for making that pun ngl

[frosty mango]

I would accept it willingly

Everyone loves a good pun they’re just afraid to admit it

[oblique garnet]

But in all seriousness if you make the orange into a syrup and use that to replace the sugar in the pie dough you can make some fun combinations

[oblique garnet]

I even saw it coming

[frosty mango]

And yet you didn’t stop it because deep down, you wanted it

[frosty mango]

But this is more like orange pastry which I’m totally on board with

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

Im not an early bird for a reason

[frosty mango]

You were a tad late to join this conversation

Expected, obviously.

[solid sun]

Why was that expected

:)

[mighty valley]

I’ve never really thought about orange in pie before

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/reptile-lol-hehehe-gif-5441436

[mighty valley]

I guess it doesn’t come up

Lemon takes all the pie spotlight

[solid sun]

It's a shame tbh

You should venture into pie baking since there are no open flames required for you to finish the bake?

[frosty mango]

I’ve baked lots of pies on my kettle

[oblique garnet]

I think you could do like an grilled orange pie maybe

[frosty mango]

Surely he could grill a pie

Maybe just keep it away from the new house a bit

[solid sun]

No

Flames are not required

Harrow does not need anymore grill or pit adventures

[oblique garnet]

I think im gonna do some experimental pie baking when i get paid

[solid sun]

Take some pics for us when you're done?

[frosty mango]

How do you feel about smoked meat

[oblique garnet]

Smoked reindeer is top tier meat

[frosty mango]

Mmmhmm

How about houseplants?

[oblique garnet]

Well there is only one houseplant i smoke 😉

[frosty mango]

We’ll take it

[oblique garnet]

Why did someone burn down his house?

[solid sun]

He was smoking meats "(unrelated)"

[frosty mango]

He never mentioned how it burned down only that he loves to grill and smoke and it was totally unrelated

[oblique garnet]

Ah so for the insurance

[solid sun]

That's what we said!

[oblique garnet]

I get it its a tough economy

[solid sun]

(I think he mentioned a natural disaster tbh)

[oblique garnet]

Oh

Yeah thats probably not covered by the insurance atleast in some parts of US anymore

[solid sun]

The reason it sticks out to me is because the first time he ever mentioned it he said something like, "I smoked meats one time and my house burned down (unrelated)" and it was one of the funniest things I've seen in discord

[warm plinth]

It's a Late

[oblique garnet]

In the wild

[jagged gust]

Back to the idea of grilling a pie

I think it has merits

[oblique garnet]

You can definitely grill a pie

It gets that really nice smoky flavor

So like fishpie for example

[jagged gust]

Mmm smokey rhubarb

Applewood smoked cherry pie

[oblique garnet]

Grilled peach pie

Oh i have even better one

smoked reindeer pie cooked on an open fire

[jagged gust]

I want that smokey sweet fusion tho

Maybe with some candied bacon

[oblique garnet]

You can balance it out with cranberry jam

[solid sun]

smoked pizza

[oblique garnet]

It pairs so well

[jagged gust]

Oh excellent suggestion

[oblique garnet]

Oh great now im hungry at 3 am

[lusty grotto]

late are you playing yet

[oblique garnet]

No im free

[lusty grotto]

ok im gonna keep Dune'ing then

[oblique garnet]

Im working only evenings rn

[lusty grotto]

ah

[oblique garnet]

Dont have time to play with anyone really

[lusty grotto]

join an NA guild

[oblique garnet]

Hell no

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

You can join my NA guild even though you don't want to. We're really bad and good

[frosty mango]

@lusty grotto got his mythic kill and man disappeared

[lusty grotto]

im trialing for my next guild next week

[frosty mango]

Biding his time

[lusty grotto]

last raid with this group this weekend

[frosty mango]

In the sands

[solid sun]

Is your brother following you?

[lusty grotto]

no

[oblique garnet]

You just want me to play on NA so you can get off from playing tank

[lusty grotto]

hes staying probably

[mighty valley]

I gotta clear up the house fire allegations

The whole neighborhood burned down

[lusty grotto]

[mighty valley]

Nothing to do with my excellent smoked meats

[frosty mango]

You see this is really important context you failed to provide

[oblique garnet]

Nice good job on the arson making it look like a natural disaster

[solid sun]

That's a valid point

So instead of burning your house down with your smoked meats, you burned the whole neighborhood down with them

That's actually impressive

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/castaway-success-excited-fire-bonfire-gif-4967389

[mighty valley]

The smoker is a very safe appliance!!!

[frosty mango]

@mighty valley i recognize that having your life burn to the ground is traumatic and i applaud you for having the sense of humor to meme about

[lusty grotto]

alright gang ill be back in a few

i need to kill some more ragers

[frosty mango]

I’m going to back to memeing you now

[solid sun]

lol

[lusty grotto]

in the sands and thumper their thoppies

fuck nevermind we're reclearing

[solid sun]

How are you thumpering their thopters

[mighty valley]

I’ll break the veil of irony for five seconds to say I appreciate that

[oblique garnet]

You have one of those electric smokers?

[lusty grotto]

we're harko and outnumbered so we hit their farmers, chopper wings get wrecked

[mighty valley]

Yeah, I had a cheater’s smoker for babies

[solid sun]

Part of me feels guilty because a neighborhood burning down sounds like loss of life but also it's pretty strong group memery

[mighty valley]

A traeger

[warm plinth]

@mighty valley can I provide some free advice?

[oblique garnet]

Brother nothing wrong with those

I have a 40€ electric smoker that has never let me down

[lusty grotto]

man i love seeing the gang in action

[mighty valley]

Is it “don’t have your house burn down”

It’s a bit late for that advice

[lusty grotto]

missing a few but the gang is back for a minute

[frosty mango]

I was going to go with “don’t burn down your neighbors houses”

[warm plinth]

No, I was gonna say you should've taken advantage of the open flame and had a cookout

Missed opportunity tbh

[solid sun]

I got called a troll yesterday, which never happens. Am I you in your absense

[mighty valley]

We evacuated too early… when the flames hit all my spices and rubs, it probably smelled pretty great for a fraction of a second

Before it went back to smelling like choking smoke

[solid sun]

Does that mean you left your smoker unattended

And that's why everything caught on fire

[mighty valley]

It was not plugged in at the time of the fire

I gotta be very clear about the truth for all of the insurance investigators spying on the prot warrior discord

[oblique garnet]

Why do you think i am here

All jokes aside was it actually covered by your insurance?

[mighty valley]

Yeah our insurance company has been pretty good so far

I’ve heard stories from other people having a worse time

[lusty grotto]

wait

[mighty valley]

We only just submitted plans for rebuilding so it’s still gonna be a while before we have a house

[lusty grotto]

this is for real?

[mighty valley]

lmao did you think I was doing a bit this whole time

[oblique garnet]

🙏

[lusty grotto]

i thought you guys were memeing

damn, im sorry

[oblique garnet]

So you got like a rented apartment rn or?

[lusty grotto]

i think insurance provides it, i could be wrong though

[oblique garnet]

Damn

[mighty valley]

My wife’s parents live a couple hours outta town so we’ve just been staying with them

But insurance would cover a rental for a while

[lusty grotto]

oh

[oblique garnet]

May i offer a suggestion? Move away from the desert

[mighty valley]

Yknow, it crosses my mind

If I can get all my friends and job opportunities to move somewhere cheap

That doesn’t burst into flames

[oblique garnet]

[lusty grotto]

[oblique garnet]

I want to move away from the cold

[undone beacon]

Goddamn man

[oblique garnet]

Is it becoming a yearly occurance at this point?

[mighty valley]

There are always fires but usually not in residential areas

[warm plinth]

Glad you're okay man. Hope you all are back on your feet soon

[mighty valley]

This was a weird confluence of brush buildup + dry winter + insane winds

And probably a fuckup by the power company

[mighty valley]

Appreciated

[oblique garnet]

Ngl im just worried for you because the odds of it happening again become greater with every wildfire

[mighty valley]

The rebuild is gonna be more fire safe than the 100 year old house we had lol

But yeah it’s on my mind

[lusty grotto]

hope you can have it done quickly harrow

insurance can be...

a pain in the ass

my buddy had to rent a hotel for 8 months cause he the molds

insurance had to swap the dudes that were doing the tearing/cleaning cause they were taking so long

they had a baby weeks before it too

insurance and HoA fought them but my buddy got his way when he lawyered up

still got fucked

with that 8 months bs but yea

[mighty valley]

We’ve got a kid who was just over 1 at the time of the fire — honestly, kind of good timing, she didn’t really get that anything weird was happening

She’s chillin

Insurance has honestly been easier for House Completely Nuked than it has ever been for anything smaller

There aren’t really details to haggle over, it’s just… there is no longer a house lmao

[lusty grotto]

well thats a relief

[mighty valley]

we also have no HoA which fucking rules

[lusty grotto]

lmao yeah that certainly fucking rules

[oblique garnet]

Did… did it also burn by anychance?

[cerulean tusk]

"So we are introducing HoA!"
...
The result

Btw, best of luck rebuilding. Hope insurance cowers quality of the rebuild as well o/

[frosty mango]

if it makes you feel any better I live on the other side of the country, we had two weeks of thick smoke from wildfires and then we got 6 inches of rain in 3 days and flooded everything

its wild everywhere

[mighty valley]

I grew up in Scotland

Where we had no creatures that kill you

Or weather that kills you

[frosty mango]

do you have a scottish accent

[mighty valley]

Kinda

It comes and goes depending on when I last talked to my family

[frosty mango]

so you are from harrow?

[cerulean tusk]

[mighty valley]

I personally have never been killed by a coo

[cerulean tusk]

Can confirm, this is likely

... hold up, you an AI...

[frosty mango]

scotland is on my bucket list

seems like a cool place

[lusty tiger]

Cows are chill, haven’t you ever seen the videos of people playing jazz to a bunch of cows

[mighty valley]

No but I did live in London for a year and went past the Harrow tube stop all the time

[frosty mango]

cows are basically dogs except they're bigger and they taste better

[lusty tiger]

How… do you know cows taste better?

[cerulean tusk]

Cows are chill, as long as you know em and they know you

Dont go into a pasture with calves, or hang about in their area, if they don't know ya

[frosty mango]

I'm making an educated guess

considering bovine meat is farmed widely across the world

[lusty tiger]

[frosty mango]

except india they're for the cows

big cow enjoyers there

[lusty tiger]

Cow worshippers

[frosty mango]

not cow eaters

as I learned

I do enjoy a burger

found @mighty valley

the only soul beating me on cauldron

[solid sun]

Lmao before I changed my Druid’s name to Fragilecargo he was a Tauren named Steakfajitas

And you’re Quesadillas

[frosty mango]

I also have burrito, chimichangas, chalupador, and salsabro

[solid sun]

Very good

[nocturne spindle]

I mean

Dogs could taste better and we still would have picked cows

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-it-i-dont-believe-you-will-farrell-anchor-man-gif-5332521

[nocturne spindle]

Domesticating a carnivore/omnivore defeats the purpose really lol

You need something to turn shitty grass into tasty meat

Not tasty meat into less meat

[frosty mango]

yeah but grass fed cows taste like shit

[nocturne spindle]

Regardless

It still needs to be done

[frosty mango]

give me a big fat american mutant cow

[mighty valley]

lol I’m actually a huge stickler for giving all my characters names

I’d never have like “Harrowpala” or whatever the plebs do

[warm plinth]

Steak is overrated

🏃‍➡️ 🚪

[frosty mango]

shitty, poorly cooked steak is overrated

good steak that is cooked properly is heavenly

[nocturne spindle]

Ban the steak non believer

Banish him to fury chat

[sharp gale]

Rare or

[frosty mango]

fury prob well done enjoyers

big chicken nuggie vibes from fury tbh

[sharp gale]

I love meat too much to eat it well done

Thx for steam sales suggestions a week ago btw, I enjoyed palword and blasphemous very much

[lofty warren]

cows are legal?

in scotland

I thought that was against religious

[mighty valley]

What do you think the dominant religions of Scotland are

[lofty warren]

beer

[lofty warren]

and whisky

[lofty warren]

this is dumb AF aint no way ppal high up with all their bugs

[mighty valley]

ok you got us there

[nocturne spindle]

Yea were bottom 2 tank

Blizz plz buff

[mighty valley]

Didn’t yoda just call us s+ tier like one week ago

Make up your mind

[nocturne spindle]

Shhh

Were bad

Terrible

[mighty valley]

You’re so right

[nocturne spindle]

Plz buff

[mighty valley]

Unplayable

[nocturne spindle]

We have the worst big pull aggro

So give us some uncapped aoe damage please

[frosty mango]

Yoda is a click generator

Good player

Smart businessman

[agile elbow]

Yep.

[nocturne spindle]

No we're worse than bdk

List is right

Give buff

[agile elbow]

Yoda is just a VDH and PPal shill, so he will always find a way to try to Amp them up on his tier clickbaits.

[frosty mango]

he is obviously a good player

and sometimes he has some good points

but sometimes he just says shit

[agile elbow]

Facts.

[proud cosmos]

@frosty mango look like your name says a lot about Protection Thane right now 😄

[frosty mango]

thane is a possibility

we may be thane gaming

we may not be

ill take the maybe

[proud cosmos]

Looking forward to it. I still take Thane on some keys for fun and honestly I feel it pretty close from Colossus. (On live)

[frosty mango]

pretty far behind on live right now but on ptr thane is a slight edge over colo

theyre very close

[austere ginkgo]

Late for it, but I have my first three chips. Any BiS I should consider from the vendor?

[frosty mango]

the wowhead guide in the pins has a tool to help you make the best choice

[austere ginkgo]

The tinyurl?

Found it, ty

So Tome of Light is the best damage trinket for us, but it requires that you play it so it's always in sword mode?

[undone beacon]

Yep

It’s not that hard to do tho

Simple wa to track it

[sharp merlin]

Morning gamers

[lime mantle]

He's trying to parse high in business too 😔 🙏

[hardy snow]

the hell is that

He rolled these numbers just as Naowh rolled his famous tier list?

[solid sun]

Do you disagree with the numbers?

Or do you disagree with the whole concept

[jagged pier]

How have we got a stopping enemies util of 10, when all they do is complain we dotn have enough stops

[solid sun]

Yeah but we don’t say that do we

Maybe Yoda’s eyeballs have been opened

[jagged pier]

No i point out we have the same as everyone else in terms of number

[nocturne spindle]

No but Jake we have aoe aggro issues obviously

That's our problem

[solid sun]

I do think it’s weird he scores our aoe aggro worse than our gather, because if I were to ever struggle with one it’d be the latter

But do you think he just decided to arbitrarily place numbers wherever like legit? Or did he put forth a real effort to jot down numbers based on his time in ptr. Maybe he just doesn’t play pwar as well as he plays some of the other tanks do he was losing threat :(

[wicked jungle]

Coming from BDK and Ppal, I must admit warr holds aggro better than I thought, but the gathering part I can understand being harder for it

[jagged pier]

#protection message

[wicked jungle]

This is probably another views/clicks grabbing thingy

I am hoping that this tier, raid wise, is not requiring any weird strat or shenanigans locking tanks or specific comps/classes

[jagged gust]

Yoda always complains about aggro

[wicked jungle]

I mean, man has a point, the way threat generation works is ass

[jagged gust]

That's why we have an 815% modifier on our threat gen

because threat is dumb

If you're losing aggro with that, you probably forgot to apply your bleeds

[solid sun]

I never really engage with his content so idk him at all, I just think sometimes we can be quick to dismiss other opinions. Yoda is far superior to most as a player, so if he’s actually struggling with pwar aggro I doubt we can just say “he forgot his bleeds,” but maybe he really is just clickbaiting. I wish he was here to tell us

[pallid quiver]

He also doesn't necessarily optimize each spec it its own absolute fullest, since that doesn't time keys, and he also runs into different damage profiles than most, which can influence aggro. He also gets to play with DPS who are generally on the ball with things.

All this can point to there actually being an issue with threat, like if you have to play absolutely optimal damage wise to maintain threat, that's a problem, or if the spec can't spread threat enough to scale with DPS classes that go bazonkers in AOE, that's also an issue

there's a lot of factors that can go into it

It may not be the issues your average player is running into, and generally isn't

[solid sun]

All def true. That’s probably a more fair analysis than simply saying he’s click baiting

[nocturne spindle]

At the same time for ppal

He literally listed it as one of the worst tanks for the first 4 dungeons

If it's terrible at half and good at half do you really put it in S tier?

And it was also nerfed between those times

[frosty mango]

I think you’re correct but being overly generous to him.

I think the dude is an obviously good player who bases his content on feelycraft. He’s basically selling an opinion.

Ptr is up in the air right now because there is no consistency so his opinion is going to change frequently

You’re spot on that his reality isn’t the same reality as 99% of players but I think he fails to communicate that clearly - but at the same time it wouldn’t be fair to say it’s a yoda thing I think it’s a streamer thing in general

[wicked jungle]

And most people rely on that feedback to make choices for themselves and others

Which is the “streamer” impact in the community

[solid sun]

Opinions in the class discords can be biased as well, though

That’s part of being human

[wicked jungle]

Yes but they are justified at best

[nocturne spindle]

Yea but I mean

I think we're better than bdk at the moment

[solid sun]

So are you suggesting that Yoda’s aren’t justified?

[wicked jungle]

Like, I can say that I’m a regular in Acherus and every time there’s a streamer take, there is an argument on why something is proven to be right or wrong

[wicked jungle]

Ofc they are, he’s a far better player than me or most people I know all together xD

Just, not always provided with enough context for the level he plays at vs the level of the audience he has

[solid sun]

It seems like it’s mostly practical vs theoretical when it comes to streamer takes vs discord takes

I don’t say that as a knock either way. Just different languages being spoken

[frosty mango]

Very true too

But for the most part class discords aren’t an echo chamber

[wicked jungle]

I can think of an example with a BDK talent which is used by some at very high key levels but discouraged by most people in blood main, including top BDK players

[frosty mango]

If you say something suspect chances are you will get challenged - it’s the discussion that drives knowledge

[cerulean tusk]

Often streamer takes lack the full picture. Things can be missed, while we often discuss and basically peer review each opinion.

As content got to go out and fast, it makes sense that he relies on himself as a source and can miss things more often.

[solid sun]

Is it the umbilical cord talent

[wicked jungle]

Yep, Umbilicus Eternus

I don’t want to talk about it per se, but the case is pretty straightforward as an example of what I mean

[frosty mango]

I mean I play talent loadouts that are not what I recommend here

[wicked jungle]

People use it claiming it’s much better and is a must in higher keys

And you have people checking IO and seeing the top player using it

Then coming to the channel and saying that they use it

And they are provided with context on why it is not really doing what people are thinking

[solid sun]

I know people that run BSV in key levels that they absolutely do not need it in, but I probably wouldn’t tell them to swap

[wicked jungle]

Even proven with data (logs etc.) some times

[frosty mango]

Can’t blame that though, if people are not accounting for context and just going based off aggregate data that’s on them (we’ve talked about that too before)

[wicked jungle]

Telling them to swap is different than argumenting on the choice

Without judging, obviously

[frosty mango]

I will run show of force over disrupting in a 16/17 if I have a good stop comp and I know the players will play well

I would never recommend that to anyone

But I do it

[wicked jungle]

Absolutely, again, just for the sake of explaining what I meant earlier with the “lack of context” which some “streamer takes” might show

[frosty mango]

I also revenge my balls off and basically play like ignore pain doesn’t exist

[solid sun]

Until you need it

[frosty mango]

No if I’m being honest probably not even then

[wicked jungle]

And by no means I consider myself a good player, I just try to not stick with what is feelycrafty whilst trying to think and analyze things to end up being knowledgeable and confident

[solid sun]

You’ve given great advice on IP during bosses like Priory boss 1

[frosty mango]

Yes but not usually what I’m doing if I know my healer lol

[solid sun]

But like, looking at this box

Do you think most of them are wrong?

[frosty mango]

I just try to be responsible with my takes

[nocturne spindle]

We get to go back to thane and be even more braindead next season though

[solid sun]

Or are we just pinpointing ones that seem off and hand waving it all away

[nocturne spindle]

The new talent IP on thane are JUICED

I love it

[frosty mango]

Thane play on ptr is omega smooth

[wicked jungle]

Duties of being regulars or experts for some classes discords

[frosty mango]

High fiber gaming

[nocturne spindle]

High rolling thunder blasts and just spamming it 5 times

So good

ZAP XAP ZAP

[solid sun]

If thane does less damage we can’t play it because we have to bruise the dps egos

I’m still not a believer in pushing into the 16 range rn as a pwar though

[frosty mango]

I wanna make the five big booms guy the thane mascot

[nocturne spindle]

It does more on my testing

[solid sun]

I know Sense and his level will do it easily but I think the plebs and myself will struggle

[nocturne spindle]

But sims will confirm soon

[frosty mango]

Think it will be fine

[hoary glen]

which loot spec we use?

[jagged gust]

depends what you want

[hoary glen]

gearing my prot warrior is season 1 geared

[jagged gust]

tank trinket/shield/1h prot, just a 1h and dps trinket fury, otherwise arms and chance getting a 2h for offspec

[nocturne spindle]

There's no good dps only trinkets for us this tier

So not fury this season ever

It's realistically always prot this season unless you want a 2H for off spec

[lunar flare]

Hi everyone, new to tanking after four years of healing. Really enjoying prot warrior so far but still so much to learn!

[jagged gust]

We too enjoy prot warrior, welcome!

[hoary glen]

allright prot is now my loot specc^^

[lunar flare]

What are the odds?!

And thank you 😄

[jagged gust]

[lunar flare]

All my friends told me to go VDH but I stood my ground, brothers

[jagged gust]

They simply don't know the pleasure of your HP staying at 100% for an entire dungeon

[nocturne spindle]

Until big momma pokes you

[jagged gust]

big mommas do be my weak spot

https://tenor.com/view/punkin-kisses-mamajune-gif-4934815

[nocturne spindle]

Oh God

Get that off my screen

[agile elbow]

Quick, DM it to him.

[hardy snow]

Yeah, numbers suck, especially prot one for random 1shots, stops and aoe agro, but I can understand his point of view, especially on random 1shots

[warm plinth]

Pwar 1shots aren't random

They're your fault lol

[solid sun]

I think being one higher than vdh is probably iffy for stops, but I think pwar stops are good enough that competing with vdh seems reasonable

I haven’t tried the ptr, but I have heard that pwar can fall over more often than current season. Sometimes they feel unkillable and sometimes not. Is this incorrect?

[frosty mango]

Just play bear if you like this

[ionic nimbus]

👌

pwar is pretty solid as MT and as Col for the next season

[stray wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-prot-warrior-tbc-wow-chad-class-gif-24723206

[jagged gust]

I remember watching tactyks on the PTR and his health was a yoyo the entire dungeon so it turned me off from trying them this xpac

He made bears look like a brown BDK

[frosty mango]

Just play thane 4head

[solid sun]

Bears do be healing

[frosty mango]

Tanking a 15/16 on my poopy bear feels infinitely safer than it does on my war

I also do a million less dps but what are you gonna do ya know

[mighty valley]

I agree with yoda’s numerical approach because our number low ergo give us buffs

QED

[solid sun]

This is why I can’t not play pwar. It feels like trolling

I’m just gonna concede to be alone in thinking Yoda’s box makes for good potential discussion. Now I am sad

[frosty mango]

Although now that I’m geared ish I’m struggling to play bear in raid because I keep ripping threat

And it’s not like war where you can just stop attacking because it’s all bleeds and dots

[jagged gust]

Quoted fEr Detruth

[west perch]

Less dps on bear or pwar?

[frosty mango]

On bear in m+

I think the two are very close in raid

Or at least I can rip similar numbers

2-3m depending on raid boss

[west perch]

Im not really raiding, cant stick to a schedule xD

[mighty valley]

It’s fine if everyone’s using it for reasonable discussion but I don’t think there’s any point in trying to boil it down to a Pure Mathematical Truth

[west perch]

Main choice will be thane warrior for me but still got bear, bdk and vdh geared if shit gets really bad

[solid sun]

I don’t really think that’s the point of the rankings is it? Just providing some way of comparing the specs

10 vs 9 means one is better than the other but pretty close whereas 10 vs 5 means they aren’t close and one is clearly superior

That’s how I take it anyways

When I think of pure mathematical truth I think of something like orange being an overall positive for pi

[mighty valley]

It’s just tough to figure out what that means — are we really “half as good” at aggro?

[frosty mango]

It’s really hard to quantify it

[mighty valley]

And then treating each category as equal and boiling each tank down to a final score

It’s presenting as scientific when it’s really not

But it’s fine to chat about

[frosty mango]

It’s easy to identify if there is a struggle but gather threat is hugely skill based

Trying to quantify something that is basically unquantifiable

It would be much better to try to rank like “effort to gather large packs”

Which is more functional in nature

[solid sun]

When I play bear I MF and thrash the things I wanna fight and never ever lose aggro ever on gather or during the pull, assuming everyone in the group is close in ilvl

When I’m on the pwar I sometimes really struggle on the gather (but not during the pull)

[jagged gust]

thats purely a colo issue tho

[frosty mango]

Bears struggle when I play arms but I generally don’t struggle on bear or war

[mighty valley]

Yeah if s3 thane stays this way it looks like it’s gonna be kinda trivial

[frosty mango]

Monks are like the ultimate poopy snap aggro class imo

[solid sun]

His box also says brew is killing it in damage

[mighty valley]

I’m jealous of having a solid ranged aoe button but other than that yeah

[solid sun]

Does that mean brew won’t struggle anymore on the pull?

[frosty mango]

Brew has great damage right now

[jagged gust]

colo needs rage for gather unless you're willing to dump a CD into each pack, which otherwise forces you into pressing ST buttons, MT just presses TB 4 times in a row

[frosty mango]

I don’t see their snap aggro changing

If I’m dpsing a key with a brew, and I send a collateral with cooldowns on pull start I’m getting clapped one hundo percent

That’s a die by the sword play every time

[solid sun]

Or just wait

[jagged gust]

ew

[frosty mango]

Or use dbts and not wait

[solid sun]

Why not wait and use die by the sword when you’re gonna get clapped

Like in a normal way

[jagged gust]

Cuz then things die faster

And it helps my tank by relieving the pressure of half the mobs targetting me instead

[frosty mango]

Pre dbts and Leroy Jenkins into the pull cleaving for 50m dps feels like a much better play

[jagged gust]

true comrade gameplay

[solid sun]

So we say that dps need to wait or they’re gonna rip aggro and that’s their fault

[frosty mango]

Bonus points if the tank is behind me

[solid sun]

But when we play arms we don’t wait

[jagged gust]

Well we don't die tho

and if we do, it's by the sword

kek

[frosty mango]

lol from a non memeing perspective yes you need to wait until mobs are gathered

If you send a mega stack collat procced cleave into 20 mobs the tank has barely touched you’re gonna die and that’s on you

But that doesn’t change the fact that brewmaster has poopy snap threat

Tbh there have been pulls when I die on my mistweaver to aggro with brew tanking

My data set is also small though, because there aren’t many brews

[frosty mango]

we're gonna test your theory

[mighty valley]

Not a believable scenario — arms mains aren’t married

[solid sun]

Is this my theory?

[cerulean tusk]

Scenario you gonna see more often is this: You heroic throw a pack to have it start to gather. Your DH zooms past with the hunt straight into said pack. DH dies. DH writes: "TANK?!?!?!" in party.

[frosty mango]

but thats cut and dry

we need nuance

[solid sun]

One person says you and one person says use dbts

[cerulean tusk]

just meld bro

[solid sun]

Tbf I don’t even know what dbts does but if it’s a standard defensive don’t we normally want dps players to use that when they can be targeted by stuff?

[cerulean tusk]

100% parry and 20% dam reduction

[mighty valley]

It’s 100% parry

[frosty mango]

30%

8s

[cerulean tusk]

30%? Nerf

[solid sun]

How long is the cd?

[mighty valley]

So it’s at its sickest when you’re actually being targeted by the entire pack

[frosty mango]

90s cd

[solid sun]

Do you use it to live the big guy charges?

[frosty mango]

arms actually has unethical survivability

[mighty valley]

There was exactly one talent tree iteration where prot got it too

[frosty mango]

no because youre a warrior

[solid sun]

lol what does that mean

[frosty mango]

arms war its basically impossible to die unless you pull threat

you have fueled by violence plus second wind and impending victory

thats not hyperbole at all either, it really is almost impossible to die

you would need to actively stand in things

[solid sun]

Idk I don’t play Garbo specs like basically any sword icon

[mighty valley]

spell reflect also a greatly underrated dps defensive

[solid sun]

I only play good specs like prot warrior and guardian Druid

And sometimes brew

[frosty mango]

i think arms is heavily underrated in mid keys

[solid sun]

But also when that arms warrior pulls the pack with their juicy cleave, unless they die isn’t it a lot harder for us to regain that aggro?

[mighty valley]

Arms is in front page rio keys, it’s absolutely terminal meta brain disease if people are rejecting it for their 14

[frosty mango]

yes

well techically yes, functionally prob not

[solid sun]

Well assume it isn’t you tanking, though. Maybe it’s me

[hardy snow]

Its generally good idea to give points in such different categories, but if pwar gets low rating in random oneshot category, from youtuber known for tanking with his back, I cant agree with it 😄

[solid sun]

Or even worse, Yogi

I’m jk yogi is goated

Maybe Harrow is trying to fit in a quick key while smoking some meats

One eye on the pit and one eye on the arms warrior dying by the sword

https://tenor.com/view/chameleon-confused-eyes-eyes-rolling-ping-pong-gif-20189883

[mighty valley]

cruel to say when you know I lost my smoker in an unrelated fire

Also smoking takes like half a day or more

I could fit MANY keys in that time

[frosty mango]

moreso that you will have a threat lead based on your skills threat modifier, youd pick them up after a few revenge swings

but theyll be dead by then so too bad for them lol

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-hold-up-whoa-gif-20256148

"unrelated fire"

so youre saying youve had multiple fires?

[small steeple]

do we know if this was hotfixed yet?

[frosty mango]

It was not when I played mid last week

[frosty mango]

just hit it on the dummy and critical conclusion was removed

when I shield slammed

[small steeple]

has that noticeably effected the self sustain from FbV for col?

[jagged pier]

It will do but its hard to give a number

U will have the buff less because u will be critting less

[small quail]

Gonna be weird without spell block man

But I can still pump

[frosty mango]

Just ran a bunch of ptr 14s

The changes to ara Kara are gross

I hate them

[solid sun]

What’s no bueno

[cerulean tusk]

Spider eat egg range being bonked, is a big one

the jumpy bleed bleed

the smackiesmack bllllllllaaaaaaaargh

Finally, the "I cast now? I cast now."

[oblique quarry]

I haven’t taken the time to do the mage tower yet, I am trying today- are there any old items or enchants that were found to be very helpful?

[frosty mango]

The big bug guys now have an aura that reduces damage taken by 50% for all allies around them - have to focus them down now

Big bug guys now have a skill called “locust swarm” that is an unavoidable massive aoe damage. ~~4m hps required by the healer on a 14 to just not die, that’s assuming nothing else hits someone

In the last area they removed grasping slash but replaced it with a stacking dot that does damage and slows you. It’s dispellable but limits how much you can pull now bc you’ll just fall over

They made the last 2 guys before last boss a pat now with the big bug guy.

They adjusted %s so you have to pull comparatively more (ran my s1 route and got to boss at 80%)

Just generally things that inhibit large pulls

[small steeple]

"The big bug guys now have an aura that reduces damage taken by 50% for all allies around them - have to focus them down now"
they always did

[frosty mango]

Yeah but it used to be a small radius

It hits everything now

[small steeple]

ah really?

[frosty mango]

In s1 we could root the little adds and kill the big guy but now it doesn’t seem to matter

The aura never fell off of them

[solid sun]

So are we thinking fight them solo or after most everything else is dead? Or does their aura exist even when they aren’t in combat, impacting stuff you fight around them

[small steeple]

even after big guy died? sounds like a bug

[frosty mango]

No only while in combat and when he was alive but seemed unaffected by range

So you have to make a super inefficient pull after first boss bc you don’t wanna stack him with the two caster guys

[small steeple]

did you go right or left?

[frosty mango]

I’m sure we’ll find ways around but at first attempt it just felt bad

Right but I think left is the play now given % changes

Alternatively maybe doing a very big pull before first boss

[small steeple]

ah you meant the guys on the bridge with first bigen

[solid sun]

Oh I thought you meant the spider mini bosses

[frosty mango]

In better news eco dome felt great

I played colossus and the dungeon felt well laid out and intuitive

Last boss big healing check

I played thane for arak

Neither spec did I feel in danger ever

[solid sun]

Did you perform your standard never hit IP strategy

[frosty mango]

If they don’t adjust locust swarm down though ara Kara is gonna be a pug killer

[frosty mango]

As colossus, yes

As thane I am an ip enjoyer

[mighty valley]

Your rage has nowhere else to go on thane

BRAINDEAD

[rancid tiger]

U mean easy to play😅

Also execute?

[violet ginkgo]

ah damn a bit too late but Imma chime in on this. This case is definitely DPS' fault. Tank still moving around collecting mobs.

Plus I thought when tank is moving around collecting mobs it's a good idea to build some resource or stack or anything? Like for Arms building the rage bar and colosus might stacks, then when tank stop, time to unleash the Demolish for giga damage?

Roid said execute is nice on Thane.

[rancid tiger]

I mean if the fat col stack would drop if

[frosty mango]

It does feel good

[small steeple]

how is the cleave talent? worth it in m+?

[frosty mango]

Not in keys really though

[frosty mango]

I didn’t think so

I felt like I needed to compete with globals because you always have shield slam or thunder blast and execute feels janky trying to wedge it in

It very well may do more damage but it felt like ass to play to me

[solid sun]

Is the execute cleave going to own in raid? Like the three demon hunters boss?

[frosty mango]

No idea

I can see thane absolutely cranking on raid though with execute

[rancid tiger]

I reckon in should wreck in key as well?

[solid sun]

The targets you cleave onto don’t need to be in execute range do they? Just your primary target?

[rancid tiger]

If u can spare the talents

[frosty mango]

Maybe but like I was saying above it doesn’t feel good to play to me

Because pressing execute means you are sitting on shield slam or thunderclap

[rancid tiger]

Wait a min. That would rock

[frosty mango]

And it feels bad

I would love an execute based m+ thane spec but given how it plays currently I don’t feel it

[solid sun]

@frosty mango

[frosty mango]

AFAIK it works just like sweeping strikes

You press execute, it hits 3 targets

[kind urchin]

Well boys, I got recruited to a new guild. Been running some keys with them and they seem to be pretty decent players. Hopefully this guild will be able to clear mythic. They've been pretty close to CE the past couple seasons so let's hope we can push it over the edge. I've already been pushing some of them into higher keys than they thought they could do.

[frosty mango]

No other requirements

[frosty mango]

Drag them directly into 20s

That’ll learn em

Everything is really close atm between hero specs im pretty stoked to see where it goes

[jagged pier]

nah its a joke easiest its ever been

[oblique quarry]

yeah, just 2 shot it lol

demolish hit the dude for most of his health lol

[strong forum]

That's quite literally how it works

[strong forum]

If you drop enduring Alacrity, hunker down and bsv it's surprisingly easy to pick up all execute talents

I will 100% play those talents

Cuz you lose basically nothing

[frosty mango]

My issue is moreso feeling like you are forced to choose between pressing execute or shield slam

[strong forum]

Yeah

And execute does 3x dmg

[frosty mango]

It could absolutely end up being the play I just don’t like how it feels