protection

[frosty mango]

Easily

We would just need to create a standard class guide format (thanks wowhead) then layer that as a rag model on top of an llm

Then you could reinforce the llm responses by having it vet them against the rag model which we know has vetted, good information

Wowhead could almost certainly implement this in like a few months, though at their usage level it may be expensive

[solid sun]

Are you sure you don’t want to use a towel model with llc responses

:)

[frosty mango]

No towels are too big, rags are much smaller

Ever tried to wash your balls with a towel?

Very hard

Golf balls, of course

[solid sun]

I usually dry my golf balls with a towel

All the golf balls together in one towel

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/balls-polishing-dude-lebowski-jesus-gif-23496855

This is the type of quality shitposting I’ve come to expect from us

[solid sun]

Dying to magic damage, cranking on the damage meters, good tier sets, bad talent trees

All of it comes and goes

Shitposting, though. Now that lasts forever

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

Literally me

[normal rampart]

Exactly the same

[solid sun]

Is that like a technologically advanced wok

[chilly brook]

Induction

[frosty mango]

@ruby ivy rubbing off on him, fire bad

[chilly brook]

TLDR It’s like an in between option, less annoying to deal with than a propane burner setup but doesn’t get as hot while also allowing for use with rounded bottom woks and still being similar enough to a burner in terms of getting way hotter than an electric cooktop and it also heats up basically instantly @solid sun

I might’ve considered a propane burner if that meant that I could use it inside but that’s really not a good idea lmao

[frosty mango]

Are you a middle class married white male who lives in the suburbs

[chilly brook]

[frosty mango]

Whose spouse may/may not like to thrift or yard sale?

[chilly brook]

2/3 of those things in the original question are accurate

[solid sun]

He’s about to tell us that if you use promotion code Tettles you get 40% off all purchases

[frosty mango]

All of those things are me and my kitchen looks exactly like yours

[chilly brook]

I’m single as a Pringle

[frosty mango]

Down to the 1990s printed ceramic and utensil jar

Were the jars are least a hand me down or thrift special

[chilly brook]

I just be taking advantage of cheap rent

[solid sun]

Yard sale right

[chilly brook]

And helping my parents out a lot around the house and with my dad’s medical stuff

[frosty mango]

I don’t have an induction wok though

[frosty mango]

TIL you are me, minus the being single part

[solid sun]

Sometimes you can hit some sick items in yard sales

[frosty mango]

I go every weekend, me and the kiddo

[chilly brook]

$130 at Costco and it works with pretty much any induction cookware but obviously best with rounded bottom items

And it comes with the wok itself

[solid sun]

My best fishing rod was a yard sale pickup

[chilly brook]

I don’t usually do yard sales or estate sales

But the last one I went to I picked up 1500 rounds of ammo for $300

I need more of those in my life

That shits expensive these days

[solid sun]

Heck yeah

I found some solid camping equipment from a family who just didn’t really enjoy going anymore

[frosty mango]

My entire living room is thrifted

Big thrift vibes

[mortal cypress]

Good game! Did you buy DK Banananarama?

[frosty mango]

My daughter bought it lol

[jagged gust]

needs more pothos

[frosty mango]

Basically everything there is thrifted

[mortal cypress]

It looks great, you sould play it

[frosty mango]

This was a top tier pun

Because most people would think you meant photos

But you didn’t

[jagged gust]

nah I just genuinely think the world would be a better place if everyone's living room looked like a jungle

[frosty mango]

Oh man

Hold on

[nocturne spindle]

its always fun clicking the fury warrior channel, seeing anime girls, coming back here and seeing you guys talking about thrifting and cooking meat

[jagged gust]

Last time I attempted a jungle room I lost like a dozen palms to spider mites

[jagged gust]

truly vile beasties

[frosty mango]

My wife uses peppermint oil

But she curses the spider mites

[frosty mango]

That’s because we’re men

Manly men

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/men-in-tights-dancing-tights-manly-men-gif-11190708

[frosty mango]

And manly women - we don’t judge

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/bisky-buff-true-form-hxh-hunter-x-hunter-gif-7405559404550217830

[frosty mango]

Relevant channel cross-post

[foggy nexus]

hey guys 🙂 is shield block a dps increase when you're not concerned about survival? i.e. using rage for shield block for the 30% damage increase on shield slam, vs more revenge.

[jagged gust]

yes it is

[foggy nexus]

Thanks fam 🙂

[jagged gust]

because you're never losing a revenge cast regardless

it's just less rage to dump into IP

[haughty atlas]

So I have a couple of questions, first off: how do people maintain high uptime during theater of pain? As it's consistently my worst for dungeon for uptime

I feel like I'm always moving for something on that dungeon

[nocturne spindle]

uptime?

like shield block or just damage

[haughty atlas]

Just damage

Sorry I should of been more clear

[nocturne spindle]

what do you feel like you have bad uptime on?

i dont think theres too much area denial stuff

[haughty atlas]

I get a feeling its the gore chop wing

[nocturne spindle]

uhh

i mean just dont try and chase the jumpy guys

you plant on the big guys and its a DPS problem to try and get jumpy guys in

[haughty atlas]

That's probably it

[jagged gust]

mage on one side of the room, boomie on the other, all the pugs wondering why aggro is so wonky on the pull

[haughty atlas]

We are low on kicks as a group so quite often I find myself chasing the little guys for the interupt

[jagged gust]

aoe interrupt, then let the pugs decide whether or not they want to live

[severe orbit]

On sprocket mythic, party pack 3 in to knockback, Ive been prot pally before so just divine shielding both. How do you handle it as prot war? Knock to the wall and leap after?

[frosty mango]

You can also use intervene in combination with leap here

If you have time spiral available you could also potentially ask for it here

[solid sun]

@frosty mango why are you in 11th place

[frosty mango]

That’s my wife playing

[solid sun]

Is it because you stopped to take a pic

[frosty mango]

She’s in 11th because she’s terrible

[mortal cypress]

lol

[solid sun]

Sometimes my wife and I take turns in games like The new Super Mario bros

Which ends up just me beating all the levels and her sometimes playing until she gets annoyed

So I get it

[jagged gust]

Used to do that with Dark Souls

[severe orbit]

Thank you 🙂 Intervene was the play

[undone beacon]

fantastic

living my dream

except everything I touch withers into dust so

[solid sun]

But you're a druid

[undone beacon]

I play a Druid because it’s a fantasy game where I can pretend I’m good with plants

Ez

[jagged gust]

Just constantly replace the dead plants every week

sometimes having a nice garden is a matter of how big of a budget you're willing to expense

[warm plinth]

You're #1 in my heart though

[lost quiver]

So how we feelin about S3?

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nubby-nubby's-number-factory-nubbys-number-factory-pet-nub-gif-10828535552509613360

[jagged gust]

Your reminder to inspect random people sitting in the city for personal entertainment

[lament zealot]

Is Thane in a better place after the tier set changes? Haven't really been keeping up on the "meta"

[solid sun]

I bet you can grow grass just fine

[undone beacon]

Unironically the house i just moved into this year has no real grass, just weeds

I don’t wanna pay to plant grass lmfao

[solid sun]

Grass seed is pretty cheap

[undone beacon]

I have hedges but it turns out those had poison ivy growing in them and I didn’t know until I took a hedge trimmer out there and covered myself in it

Plants hate me

[solid sun]

Are you covered in itchy patches now

[undone beacon]

It’s mostly cleared up but the rashes are still kinda there

smh my DAMN head

[solid sun]

I assume you didn't get any in your eyeballs or mouth

That'd be crazy

[undone beacon]

Yeah I was honestly lucky. I wear glasses so that probably helped

Gonna have to go out in full fucking ppe and tear the ivy out

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-season4-murray-murray-flamethrower-flamethrower-burn-gif-26023596

Alternatively

[cyan bronze]

Spec into not being allergic to it

[undone beacon]

Noooo my hedges :c

[undone beacon]

So real

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/die-grass-farm-flame-throwing-tractors-gif-15800490

[undone beacon]

I hit spell block idk why it didn’t work

[cyan bronze]

Not being allergic to it

Is genuinely

Top 3 things

[undone beacon]

I’m gonna go the exposure therapy route, brb throwing myself into it

[solid sun]

If you can believe the AI answer from google, only like 15-20% of the population is not allergic to poison ivy

Meta talent build isn't taking it

[undone beacon]

yeah but what does nome thing about speccing into poison ivy resistance

[solid sun]

It's far more common to not be allergic to wasp stings

Seems like that's why so many people are allergic to poison ivy. What an unfortunate choice node

[cyan bronze]

This acc doesn’t work

It often gets progressively worse as exposure increases

It’s why everyone should be careful of exposure to it

[solid sun]

What, are you some kinda poison ivy scientist

[cyan bronze]

Everyone in my family wasn’t allergic to it in their youth

Played w it too many times as a “party” trick

And now are really sensitive to it

[undone beacon]

Sounds like you’re not exposing hard enough smh

More ivy, stat

[undone beacon]

Me when I pull out the bag of poison ivy at the function

[cyan bronze]

Tbf

[solid sun]

That rash must not be poison ivy, Pash

[cyan bronze]

It’s quite funny to hear someone say “there’s poison ivy, be careful”

[solid sun]

You must have gotten into something else

[cyan bronze]

And then you go touch it

[undone beacon]

See this is why I play a bear as well, to fantasize about being immune to this suffering

[cyan bronze]

I used to be fully insensitive to it also

Now it just makes my skin a bit red

[solid sun]

Being insensitive is a tough route to take in a society, sometimes

Can lead to a lot of unnecessary arguments because you said something you shouldn't have

Anyways it's pretty interesting that your family is a special type of tribe that resists Urushiol

[cyan bronze]

Kekw idk why

[solid sun]

Some people groups walk on coals. Others drink alcohol out of dirty boots.

Y'all just bathe in Urushiol

[red otter]

Bathe in the rocky hot springs of dornogol instead

[cyan bronze]

It’s really nice to never get poison ivy

Seems like it fucking sucks

[solid sun]

Did you get chicken pox

[cyan bronze]

Uhhh

Idk

Isn’t that eradicated

I was thinking of polio lmfao

[solid sun]

idk how old you are

[cyan bronze]

I don’t think so?

[solid sun]

When I was a kid everyone got chickenpox

I do think there's a vaccine for it now

[cyan bronze]

20

So not sure

I def got vaccinated for it

[solid sun]

Then probs not

[undone beacon]

She pox on my chicken til I

[solid sun]

The vaccine wasn't licensed for use in the US until 95

[red otter]

scary sentence there

[solid sun]

Oh the joys of being born in the late 80's

[cyan bronze]

O ya I was born in 2005

[undone beacon]

I exist to spread fear

[solid sun]

I'm so old

[red otter]

Old

[cyan bronze]

Btw @undone beacon make sure to wash after touching poison ivy

It’s a bit “contagious” since it’s caused by the oil

I gave my friend REALLY bad poison after I messed around w a plant one time

[undone beacon]

oh brother don’t worry I’m coming out the other side now, been on steroids to kill the rash. It’s mostly cleared, just patches of discolored skin

Was all over my legs and arms, ended up on my torso

Was great

[cyan bronze]

Ya sounds shitty

Just spec into poison immune next key

[undone beacon]

True true

Shoulda taken Bitter Immunity

[cyan bronze]

Tho it’s on a choice node with bee resistance

giga allergic to bees and wasps

[undone beacon]

Worst part is I was just about to get back into the dating scene and then I fucking… mutilated myself with plant

[cyan bronze]

Lmfao

[mighty valley]

Someone out there's probably into that

[red otter]

Everyone knows dating is bad for your health.

[cyan bronze]

Yeah was gonna say..

[undone beacon]

“Hey baby, you like my rashes?”

[cyan bronze]

“Yeah let’s rub rashes”

[undone beacon]

Don’t know if that’s my… ideal target audience tbh

[undone beacon]

I hate this

[cyan bronze]

Sabrina carpenter loves rashes bro

[undone beacon]

“I’ll show you my rash if you show me yours”

Romantic date to the poison oak patch

[cyan bronze]

[jagged gust]

might not be poison ivy, could just be some english or similar variety

[undone beacon]

nah I went out and confirmed it was the poison ivy

but I do like blaming the English

[jagged gust]

its my personal go to

[red otter]

When you said you existed to spread fear. I didn't realize you were so serious about it.

[frosty mango]

Re chicken pox vaccine it’s called varicella and it isn’t a federal mandate yet but fortunately almost all states require it before children can be enrolled in school

There are some idiot parents still having pox parties though

[red otter]

Its ok that wont be the case within the next year or so.

Then everyone will have it again

[frosty mango]

No it will just kill a bunch of old people and make a lot of middle aged people super miserable

Shingles blows

[undone beacon]

Roid showed up with facts and logic and killed the vibe smh

We were talkin about rash rubbin

[cerulean tusk]

What Roid?

The cool Roid

or the boring Prot Roid?

[undone beacon]

The Chicken Pox Vaccine knower Roid

[cerulean tusk]

[frosty mango]

My wife is a nurse and we’ve been married a loooooong time

I helped her study in college, I’m basically a nurse myself.

[frosty mango]

You know it’s 50/50

If I meme I get told I’m spreading misinformation, if I’m serious I’m told I’m boring

Can’t win boys

[mighty valley]

There's a talent that gives you a 4% chance of 100% of people liking your posts

[frosty mango]

Blizz must’ve bought Facebook

The only social media my old ass has

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/must-be-nice-damien-haas-smosh-gif-9282932995446259591

[frosty mango]

You’d think but whenever I complain she just says “I’m not a doctor why don’t you call one”

🤷

[undone beacon]

become the worst of both worlds, spread misinformation in a boring way

easy

[strong forum]

Yeah chief that still sounds better than my life

[solid sun]

What’s wrong nome

Can we help

[strong forum]

Hell naw

[solid sun]

Surely a bear, a rhino, and a boring chickenpox vaccine knower can figure out a solution

[frosty mango]

I’ve been there brother. I’ve really been there. Stay strong

[undone beacon]

I belive in u nome

nome my beloved

[tribal wharf]

tbf she is right

[frosty mango]

She’s my wife and we’re married of course she’s right

That’s how marriage works

[tribal wharf]

a doctor compared to a nurse is a police officer compared to security personel

[frosty mango]

You obviously don’t know nurses and doctors very well lol

[tribal wharf]

nurse is care, doctor is surgery, far as i am aware

[frosty mango]

You’re like the first person ever who has gotten this

Like in years

[tribal wharf]

you need way more training to be a police, or doctor

[frosty mango]

Doctors treat problems and nurses treat people

[tribal wharf]

im not diminishing nurse though, i have nurses in family

[frosty mango]

Eh there’s wide gamuts of nursing - some which require as much school as mds but that’s prob generally true

She just says it to piss me off though as is her right

[tulip oar]

What's the overall verdict of the FbV nerf so far? It honestly didn't get completely nerfed like I expected, but it also doesn't seem to do much for magic tank buster/rot.

[agile elbow]

Dead class. Go Brewmaster.

[tulip oar]

I'm playing warrior regardless of if it's trash or not.

[frosty mango]

It’s fine

[bleak breach]

Woweee

As if Yoda actually talking up PWar on stream

[tulip oar]

I remember catching one of his Youtube shorts, saying he was looking forward to playing Warrior before the nerfs.

[torn gulch]

warrior is still decent on ptr

might be part of the meta phys comp

[tulip oar]

Battle shout already did that.

[frosty mango]

A meta phys comp would prob not have a war imo

[bleak breach]

Yeah, that’s what he just said

Meta phys comp will have Prot war and thinks it’s pretty busted

[torn gulch]

brm/resto sham/mm/arms/outlaw?

[frosty mango]

I dunno I feel like taking war forces you to take a windwalker which ruins your bres capability

[tulip oar]

resto sham or druid?

[frosty mango]

Whereas brew lets you bring a Rsham and you can get a feral Druid

[bleak breach]

Will be something like that or PWar, Feral, Rsham, Outlaw plus 1

[urban bane]

well there's atk power and there's phys right?

[bleak breach]

Maybe WW if they’re any good

[torn gulch]

pwar/restosham/feral/ww/mm kekw

[tulip oar]

healer spot is pretty open for phy comp. Which is actually a really nice change

[frosty mango]

AP technically better than phys but war is highly reliant on skyfury and I don’t see you bringing windwalker

[bleak breach]

Yeah, anything along those lines

[frosty mango]

I would be absolutely stoked to see a war phys meta tho

[bleak breach]

From what I saw Yoda wasn’t playing with monk

I think it was PWar, Rsham, feral, rogue +q

Might’ve been hunter

[tulip oar]

they'll be a must now that everyone in the group will be doing 8% more

[bleak breach]

Can’t remember, had to go back to work

[torn gulch]

i am actually curious if we'll have 2 comps that perform relatively equal the usual comp and the phys comp

[frosty mango]

Would make sense to bring mm for misdirect with pwar

[torn gulch]

that will actually be amazing for once

[bleak breach]

Kinda, but not if they’re no good themselves

[urban bane]

theyve done so many retuning and fiddling with dk, i bet one spec will still be good if frost is nerfed

[frosty mango]

Windwalker is heavily target capped (basically fury 2.0)

They’ve not been great in keys for a while

Also not terrible though, so you never know

[tulip oar]

I'm kinda basing this that everyone is about the same skill level.

[bleak breach]

Just meaning the class

If the other classes are much better then WW it will even out

[torn gulch]

damn yoda actually has the exact same discussion

[tulip oar]

Maybe Mistweaver than? Though the shaman buff is really nice.

[torn gulch]

blizzard mandated phys comp kekw

[bleak breach]

Worst case I guess you could go PWar, MW, feral, enhance, MM?

Or rogue

[torn gulch]

enhance does not really do phys damage

[bleak breach]

Mm just nice to add ranged

Fair

[tulip oar]

MM or BM, yeah

[bleak breach]

Any variation of that comp would be good. I think the main thing is getting as many group buffs in as possible

[nocturne spindle]

yea but the DH buff is very minor for enhance vs the monk buff for everyone else

if you dont have DH the enhance only loses like 1%

and they still get hunters mark(lol), battle shout, motw, and their phys gets monk

[tulip oar]

So Prot or Arms warrior.
Brew or Mistweaver monk.
Bear, cat, or resto druid
Hunter of some kind.
Resto shaman optional healer.
Any other physical class.
That's actually got a healthy amount of combinations.

[slim dove]

eh

if you play phys your kinda hamstrung into playing with 3 classes in whatever role

kinda cringe

[open drift]

If im dracthyr do i still need a gust of wind pot for mythic gally?

[frosty mango]

No chance warrior dps is ever in any meta

Arms can do extremely well damage wise it just brings nothing else

[bleak breach]

Wouldn’t they still bring everything Prot does really?

Rally, shockwave, intim shout, stormbolt and short cd interrupt

[restive oak]

so still, pretty much nothing

[slim dove]

buff rally 2x in 5man

[restive oak]

should i just spend my last dinar on eye of kezhan?

bring back shadowlands rally scaled with conduit :p

[slim dove]

delete spear add banner

[restive oak]

TRUE

[slim dove]

[restive oak]

100% banner uptime was fun

[frosty mango]

Yes but your alternative options are much more varied in the dps slot

For example why bring a dps warrior over a rogue or feral who offer all of the same things

And more

[mighty valley]

dps warrior for bshout vs. rogue is purely a factor of how busted rogue is, surely

[frosty mango]

Rogue brings shroud and in a non priest meta that has value

Feral has bres, ursols, and honestly just a better damage profile than arms

Warrior shockwave would be on cdr with brew leg sweep while feral incap would not too

[mighty valley]

feral brings a lot for sure, rogue bringing no group buff and a couple utilities that are sometimes good sometimes nothing

[frosty mango]

I think shroud is huge if you have no priest

Because otherwise you are going to be hard pressed for skips

Mind soothe is pretty strong

[mighty valley]

the best performing phys comps this season just bring arms, feral, and rogue haha

[frosty mango]

Depending on where guardian Druid tuning ends up I think it could be a dark horse if dotc ends up having a m+ spec

@undone beacon and I would squee in delight

The fact that a phys meta is even being discussed is a win lol

[torn gulch]

tbh i hope we'll have 2 types of groups doing around the same key level at the highest level

because that means a lot more specs will be able to play

one magic group one phys group

and hopefully that leads to a df s1 type of season

where a lot of specs were played at the highest level

[slim dove]

well there already is

the "meta" comp is just way more popular rn

monksea's team is like 20 io behind kira's team

[torn gulch]

yes but the problem is that the phys comp is still considered fringe
in season 3 from what i've seen on the ptr people talk more and more about the phys comp

hopefully that means that it will be more popular

[nocturne spindle]

It's being talked about more but it's also kind of bad?

Like it's being talked about in the sense people feel phys raid buffs are even more giga important

So your actively nerfng your self as a phys dps not doing phys comp

[mystic arrow]

couldn't you also say you are nerfing yourself by playing a caster without a mage or a boomkin?

why is this different?

[nocturne spindle]

Because it's not an 8% nerf

It's a 3% nerf and some other side grade raid buff

Shaman, warrior , monk are all like 5% or more dps increasers now

The highest magic has is 3%

[slim dove]

vdh, mage are 3% each

bshout is 5%, mystic is now 8%

[undone beacon]

absolutely

I'm holding out for a sleeper DotC guardian to rise up

[chilly brook]

So if you’re one of 6 specs in the game

Out of 30+

[hazy umbra]

Hey guys, I'm trying to look for the prot war viability in the next raid, i heard about a lot of magic tank busters but with the new talents and stuff it's seems manageable
I'm not sure where to get this info so I ask here
I'd really like to progress as prot war but I may have to play paladin if the raid is to hard on warrior

[chilly brook]

Brother

If you have to ask

It doesn’t matter at your skill level

Also there hasn’t been a raid like ever, where you being a warrior meant that you couldn’t complete the raid at even the highest level of play

[mighty valley]

Play the tank you like the best and/or are the best at and you’ll be able to clear the raid no problem

Well

I guess that depends on the rest of your raid team but you know what I mean

[fathom meteor]

Yeah look I’m still gunna play prot warr over my bm monk bcuz I just wanna play my prot more. Everything viable I ain no r1 ce title gamer.

[ionic nimbus]

I guess even if u want to push title, both would be a viable choice in a phys comp

[sharp merlin]

I'm actually curious.. if I built a team next season, and paid them all salaries, wonder if they would get me title

[jagged pier]

Depends on the skill of the players u pay

And how much u guys have

Also whose cares about a title you wont use

[sharp merlin]

but the rio score.. the colour 😛

I spend a looot of time studying every single mechanic, making routes, only for dps to mess up, but I was just thinking.. making it easier, just pay them to be good 😂

[jagged pier]

I mean u would be paying them for there time. Top ios are good players but they mess up just as much, the thing they have is time

Just time to get it right that 1 time

Could take 5 goes could take 500

They got the time to do it

[jagged gust]

isn't that just buying title with extra steps

[sharp merlin]

yes 😄

no, I guess it's more. My time is valuable, I love tanking, if I was to push title, it would be to tank. If I got a consistent team together who pushed together, but they were salaried, I would actually have a blast as a team, not just paying for a boost

but curious if you salaried some good players who were also not degenerate, I wonder how far you'd go

[jagged gust]

Ever been in a management position?

Just because someone is getting paid, doesn't always mean they're putting the work in

I'd slap together a contract clearly stating goals so you don't get jerked around by bad actors

[cerulean tusk]

An avg person getting paid to do a job, will do the job to the best of their ability. As was mentioned, what stops most from getting title is time.

If you can spend 8-12 hours a day to push, you are very likely to get title. As the sheer amount of investment will have you work together in a way a PuG can only dream of.

You will see gradual improvement and being able to push at the very limits of what is possible; to the point of small RNG clicking and allowing you to get that theoretical cap key.

If you salary in avg players, you will get title. You salary in good players you will be able to get boosted

[mild river]

I finished this season with almost 75 15s+ timed. And I thought it was a LOT. Until I saw a 3900ish player with more than 300 15s+ timed. I can't imagine how much time people play this game. And I feel that I play a lot. So yes, the title people are good, but more that they have time to do the same keys over and over.

[torn gulch]

that guy most likely boosted 19's and 20's at that number of keys

if you are capable boosting at that level is very lucrative

[cerulean tusk]

Now imagine that guy with a paid salary

[sharp merlin]

Sadly it's my job, hence why I have the capital for potentially salarying players for PVE content as a passion project 😂

Just an idea anyway - I dread to think the personality types that this would bring 😂

[flat saddle]

Sorry jumping in a bit late so this might have been answered already…

Has there been any impact to the overall damage with Prot Warrior going into the new patch? I saw that their tier bonus for colossus was nerfed a bit but I was under the impression that it was probably really chunky already damage wise haha?

[solid sun]

“I am a manager, so I can pay people to play wow”

[torn gulch]

mountain thane damage is now comparable with colossus from what i've seen after the last round of tuning

[sharp merlin]

Hahahaha

Surprised you didn’t go with: “I have no friends, I’ll pay people to be my friends”

[cyan bronze]

you should pay me

I’ll make sure to brick keys repeatedly to keep job security

[sharp merlin]

hell yea

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-damage-cat-hammer-bonk-kitten-gif-17025947340241767034

[solid sun]

Sometimes I look at the brew channels and it hurts my brain

It feels like when they explain stuff there are a hundred variables to consider everytime you need to press something

[jagged gust]

That's what happens when you delve too deep into a spec

In execute range press revenge unless you have a banked Revenge! and are above 70 rage and SS has <3s on CD and the north winds howl the name Swifty

[frosty mango]

Monk in general is like that

Windwalker has so many variables to optimize I think the class designers just like pain

[tardy abyss]

WW is actually very straightforward

But you only realize it once you start learning the spec

Its "a lot" of planning around energy and chi but the specs flows so well that it almost plays itself

[undone beacon]

I hopped on my 650 brew last night for our guilds “heroic alt run / recruitment night” and didn’t know what the fuck I was doing but my parses weren’t grey so I count that as a win

Did I have invoke Niuzao talented? Yes. Did I hit it once? Nope.

I put it on my bar thinking it was black ox statue

[frosty mango]

Yeah until you mess something up and you stand around waiting for energy

[tardy abyss]

Have to fuck up big time though

[frosty mango]

Vexie is my standard for kind of gauging how a spec flows in a nonstandard encounter where you may need to hold cooldowns or use utility

I can do similar dps on the monk as I do on hunter and warrior (5-6m)

But monk just takes so much more thinking lol

I can see how it could play really well for someone with good muscle memory though

[tardy abyss]

For me ww feels more chill almost

But thats because SV doesnt play very differently so Im kinda used to it ig

[jagged gust]

Anyone play holy priest in raids? I've got disc on lock for m+ but I'm struggling with healing large group damage with consistency outside of premonitions

[lucid mica]

Hey ppl, i have a very quick question, can pwar do molten knuckles in MM mugzee? I have not found a single pov of a pwar doing that so idk

[dark barn]

if you are a human yes.

[cyan bronze]

Yeah that’s because that’s how disc works

Disc does much healing on its ramps

And not much outside

[jagged pier]

U just run nowadays

Pointless stacking the gold

But sense does have a pov of him doing it, its the first time he uploaded it. He has several mug'zee povs of different strats

[lucid mica]

Yes ive been doing like that on vdh but wanted to know if it was harder for pwar, i didnt see sense's vid, omw and thank you!

[jagged pier]

Its just the same as vdh leap and run

I can link my unlisted 1 too but its just the same as sense anyways

[lucid mica]

Im already looking at senses, o thought war would struggle way more but hp doesnt move

[jagged gust]

tbf, Sense is pretty okay at warrior

[jagged pier]

It doesnt really hurt i take it with just ironbark and SR nowadays

Hp pot or hs if needed

[frosty mango]

I do

What’s your stats and what fights are you struggling with? Hpriest is really dependent on certain stat breakdowns to do certain things

[jagged gust]

I would say Mugzee is by far my worst performance, though I can directly attribute a few deaths on Gally to lack of heals as well

20k mastery, 5k haste, 10k verse/crit

Can really feel the low haste whenever I'm trying to top anyone

[jagged pier]

Imagine getting logs

I do every tank mechanic on mug'zee, im bomb dumping on gally, we probably have to dps to kill before the dunk... but its close i dunk anyways. I do the sprocket running so cant do that. Im the tank olace pillars on OAB so i get more bug hits.

After that i just cba

[jagged gust]

Sharing logs where I'm not 99 parsing?

[shut summit]

yep this tier fuckin sucked for 1 tank getting all the bozo jobs

[jagged pier]

Its your fault, showing we could do mug'zee bombs

For that boss anyway, literally quote. 'Dont tell me Sense has found some dumb way for warrior to do bombs' when i mentioned we could do them

[shut summit]

lmao

[dusky canopy]

[warm plinth]

[nocturne spindle]

Stupid ass bomb dumping

Making me waste my 2nd combat pot

Smh my head

[dusky canopy]

“Shake my head” my head

[brittle owl]

????

[brittle owl]

sounds to me like second tank vacation

just get some dumb dps to do the fight on his tank alt

[nocturne spindle]

What

That would make dps even lower

[undone beacon]

idk i think for some of our dps the damage wouldnt change

[frosty mango]

TLDR

More crit less haste/vers

worry less about hps and more about triage on mugzee (you can play lightweaver here and flash heal your ass off and full send holy words to triage)

More hps on gally - make sure you’re playing poh/renew, focus on holy word cdr to keep renews rolling. Use cdr on poms before canisters and large events, stack piety with divine hymn. Make sure you Pom on cooldown it’s severely important

Send me some logs if you want I’ll take a look

[strong forum]

Dps don't have tank alts, you know that

[frosty mango]

Since this is unga bunga warrior room

[frosty mango]

Jakey is warrior Jesus

“I died for your parses”

[undone beacon]

what is this healer talk im scared and confused

[brittle owl]

what about @sweet summit

[undone beacon]

the only holy word i know is zug

[small steeple]

Zug zug?

[frosty mango]

My warrior has one holy word

Which is shit

[small steeple]

Zug

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1199429661168517160.webp?size=96

[frosty mango]

Like “holy shit why am I above you on the damage meter”

[undone beacon]

did you know mug'zee backwards is eez'gum and then if you take away the e and the e and the m and rearrange letters it spells zug

crazy

[brittle owl]

my brother, inshallah

[jagged pier]

Wouldnt trust a dps on an alt to do even half of these mechanics

[brittle owl]

lay off the smoke

not good brazzer

haram

[undone beacon]

So many wipes on heroic alt nights where someone goes "I wanna try tanking gally!" and then fucks up every mechanic

[frosty mango]

Is this code talk

[brittle owl]

honestly i'm surprised no one made a strat to have hpal do soaks

[frosty mango]

You don’t think having a paladin taunt before ego check is prime strats?

Or having your shadow priest do dunks

[shut summit]

is what we did on mugzee

[brittle owl]

now we talking

abuse healers lets go

[dusky canopy]

Still have 4 people assigned in each gaol

[frosty mango]

Imagine just being a monk and touch of deathing the add and transcending out

Highly ethical Strats

[dusky canopy]

True I need to go void elf

Break stun is just too good

[mellow bridge]

my guild does ret pala soak into me on pwarr into ret pal again if needed

[solid oar]

Hey folks,

Been away from the game for a while, just getting back into things. I was wondering how Prot Warrior is doing in 11.2 – is it in a good spot right now? How does it compare to Brewmaster Monk?

Appreciate any thoughts or experiences you can share. Thanks!

[frosty mango]

In our extremely objective and not at all biased opinion prot war is going to be s tier and everything is amazing

I am speaking for everyone

(This is sarcasm)

The loss of spell block will hurt due to the replacement being utter shit, remains to be seen if that is an actual problem. Damage is poised to be solid and otherwise warrior is looking decent. All heavily tuning dependent and subject to change.

[quaint granite]

Guys I don't hate you I am just anxious that Thane tier might get nerfed please belieb me

[jagged pier]

well i mean the buffed it too compete with colssus so i doubt it

[frosty mango]

That’s ok, we like our fury brothers here. Sit down next to our houseplants have a plate of smoked meat

Maybe consider picking up a shield

We’re always looking for more meat smokers

[quaint granite]

Guys I have a confession

I played Prot to kill Underpin ??

[jagged gust]

Good choice

Underpin felt very comfy as prot

[quaint granite]

Yea adds dying in 2 kicks was crazy

[small steeple]

haven't done underpin yet, probably should do that lol

[jagged gust]

It's annoying compared to Zekvir

[stray wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-prot-warrior-tbc-wow-chad-class-gif-24723206

[quaint granite]

If you've got gear it's pretty easy as Prot, still very frustrating fight to be fair tho

[small steeple]

@frosty mango so how is MT damage looking in m+ and raid compared to Col? I know you linked a few logs but just curious from your ptr experience so far,
-# ptr realms are always super laggy for me to point of unplayability so I don't even bother anymore

[frosty mango]

I've done 12-13 keys on both, I was trying to do 15+ but I gave up because theres no real way to vet people and every time I try to pug them its impossible to get a real guage because no one does mechanics

Thane was basically on par with colossus but the profile was more consistent as opposed to colossus' burst/wane

I preferred the way FBV/colo felt for sustain over brv/thane but generally speaking both were pretty close for me

I didn't really test all possible thane builds so I'm on the fence where we end up

I could see a world where we played thane and colo both depending on key

[small steeple]

This right here is what I want, seems like an ideal balance

[frosty mango]

I felt the changes to colo tier/fbv but it didnt feel game breaking really

like I said it's hard to really boil that down into a quantitative statement because while I could say "we do X raw hps on average after the change" functionally that doesn't mean anything because how it will feel to play will be completely relevant on how the team is playing and the pull sizing

my gut feeling is we will still be playing colossus for keys because of the aoe burst profile but I don't feel strongly one way or the other. And we may get another tuning pass

I really disliked losing the colo shockwave knockup and felt that was the biggest loss imo

[normal rampart]

How do you feel about this scaling with our damage rather than incoming key dmg, when incoming key dmg scales up more than our outgoing dmg

[frosty mango]

this is really just asking "how does blizz handle the gear curve" and we cant really know

it is simple enough for them to see we are struggling and make tuning adjustments to account for that, which I expect is what they would do if we felt like we were struggling to survive in higher keys

but FBV/IP is not really our primary defensive layer, block is, so I really don't see it as being an issue ever

Some folks running bleeding edge keys may feel differently because gameplay skews more towards defense at the very top end

IP/FBV smoothes damage intake against high frequency (lower) damage white hits - as long as block is up we should be relatively safe. If we're eating a magic tankbuster and dropping to 10% health then fbv/ip isnt really going to change the outcome there

[violet ginkgo]

Casting [Holy Word: Shit!]

[shy python]

Is there any working Spell Reflect WA out there?

[frosty mango]

“Spell reflect essentials” on wago

[shy python]

No this does not work anymore

[frosty mango]

Yes it does I’m literally using it

[shy python]

whioch version?

[frosty mango]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

The one that says it’s for tww season two

[shy python]

yeah this does not work. most spells do not show correctly

[frosty mango]

If it isn’t working it’s likely some issue or conflict on your end, I’ve got no issues with it and as far as I know no one has reported any

Do you have any examples

Of something not working, I can go test mine

[hushed cobalt]

Is that one showing all casts or casts on you?

[frosty mango]

AFAIK it uses senses list and then pops the bar up when you are targeted with a reflectable spell

Red means you don’t have the buff green means you do

[hushed cobalt]

👍
I must have messed up something so it shows all casts. Re-download time

[shy python]

like 99% of all spells cast on me are not shown. but when allies are cast at it pops up

priory casts on me dont show up

[frosty mango]

that sounds like it didnt import properly or theres some other WA/Addon referecing you as a target causing some kind of conflict

I would delete and reimport and if that doesnt work, you could try to reach out to torkal

he doesn't list his info though

it's a pretty simple implementation
if you look under the group and just pick any of the child auras, under the trigger tab you can expand the trigger and it should show you as the target

some will be target (explicitly targeted) some will be player (aoe like frostbolt volley)

Are you using plater?

[shy python]

I'll test it again

[shy python]

yes

[frosty mango]

I would start there. Turn it off and then see if the SR weakaura starts working

[hardy snow]

[jagged pier]

[frosty mango]

Congrats

[dusky canopy]

[fringe burrow]

Both hero specs looking good for season 3? One pulling ahead of the other?

[simple drum]

I stopped playing for a full season - is Ignore Pain on the GCD now or does the spec just feel way slower now? I jumped on today for the first time in months and my APM is way lower than I remember

[undone beacon]

They cut rage gen back a bit to try and lower the apm this last patch

And colossus esp has lower rage gen

Thane is more spammy like you may remember

[simple drum]

Yeah I’m playing Thane for that reason

Why do they want to lower the APM? It’s the best part of being a prot warrior (or was the best part)

[undone beacon]

prot dev got carpal tunnel

[dusky canopy]

Great question

[jagged pier]

they barely lowered it, if your feeling that way its likely u are playing incorrectly

also they are giving us more rage gen again next patch with thane for some reason?

[simple drum]

Good

[jagged pier]

i mean our rage gen really isnt an issue now

[simple drum]

Oh fuck we get a tree rework next patch right

Or was that another spec

[small steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1394815972426121288/bugs-life-i-cant-help-it.gif

[undone beacon]

Elongated Proboscis moment

[small steeple]

🙂‍↕️

[small steeple]

huh

blizz actually listening?

are we in bizzaro world?

[bleak breach]

Agreed

[jade pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-friends-tv-gif-gif-17470076814766255030

[bleak breach]

Played some thane just on dummy in ptr, feels a bit clunky. You pretty much just hit 2 buttons

Feels like the stronger spec atm though

[mild river]

Dps wise you mean?

[bleak breach]

Both

Thane was always tankier

[kind urchin]

They listened because they knew damn well they were going to be under tuning phys damage specs yo account for the mystic touch buff. And that would have pissed off a lot of people.

[bleak breach]

Thane execute is really solid, you have enough rage you can spam it pretty comfortably.
Only really gut feel that it’s better, they will probably be pretty close either way.

More then anything I’d say thane is much ‘easier’ to play and stay alive.

[small steeple]

plus it has the 25% damage amp on execute

[bleak breach]

Yep, feels really nice on execute phase.

Also on any mob you nearly have permanent demo shout with Thunderlord and tier

It comes back so fast

[mighty valley]

isn't that how thane has always been? what do you mean by clunky?

[bleak breach]

Feels worse

With the rate the tier procs it nearly feels like you can’t press anything other then Thunderblast

[mighty valley]

Thought that was what thane sickos wanted

[crimson furnace]

its perfect

thunderblast and execute spamm

life is good

balanced, as all things should be

:))

[tight hinge]

mountain thane is just guardian druid wearing sunglasses, as it should be

[jade pulsar]

yeah just wanna clap 24/7

[lofty warren]

They need to buff pwar o don't want to be forced to brew next patch

[dusky canopy]

You’re not forced

Play warrior

[frosty mango]

@undone beacon they’re buffing the wrong tier set

Go complain please

[undone beacon]

The fucking change to EC tier has me rolling

Wow now it’s gonna do 2% of our overall damage whoopdeedoo

Abysmally sad tier set

Make it trigger lunation for bear you COWARDS

[lofty warren]

Which is the wrong one?

[frosty mango]

Elunes chosen

We’re stanning dotc

Please go help us complain, your fellow rage brethren have lit the fires

[lofty warren]

Is that the bear one? Yuck

[frosty mango]

It’s the bear catweave spec

[lofty warren]

Bear low on tier list don't really matter

[frosty mango]

Not on my tier list

[bleak breach]

I don’t mind spam, it’s just you should never be at a point where you can’t even spend the procs.
Too much happening on it, you’ve either gotta not use SS or waste Thunderblast procs then also you’re just wasting rage at points there instead.

It’s easy though, go brrr by pressing 2-3 buttons

[undone beacon]

DotC sweep DotC sweep

We love bear in this house

We RAVAGE

[bleak breach]

We hate bear here

Stuff the bears

[undone beacon]

Speak for yourself, heathen

[bleak breach]

Bears are just d grade Prot warriors

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-digging-rage-angry-trash-gif-15500222

Bear mains looking for class changes each PTR update

[frosty mango]

We need to stand in solidarity

Against the prot warriors and vdhs

[bleak breach]

But like you’re in Prot warrior discord haha

[undone beacon]

Prot warrior stands in solidarity against prot warriors

Self loathing

[undone beacon]

Freudian slip

[lofty warren]

Omega loooooooooool

[bleak breach]

Late to the party

[solid sun]

Wait why were people happy about this. Mystic touch is poop and now it’s not but people didn’t like that? Idgi

[agile elbow]

Yeah. They were mad it was gonna force melee comps

[solid sun]

How was it going to force melee comps?

We exist and don’t force melee comps

[dusky canopy]

No it wasn’t about forcing melee comps

It was about how it would feel dogshit to play any physical spec without a monk

[solid sun]

Lmfao wait what

Is that real

[lofty warren]

What in the heck does "We hear the community concerns about this change and how it might affect the viability of Physical damage dealers and because of these concerns we will be reverting the buff." Even mea

I don't speak corporate

[frosty mango]

Was it though?

[tidal scarab]

People don't understand that the 8% wasn't free and physical dealers would be balanced around for it in raid which would affect m+

[undone beacon]

Monk buff gets bigger -> phys damage goes up -> blizz no like phys thrive -> blizz nerf phys class -> phys cry -> monk feels required for phys to do normal damage

[jade pulsar]

this

[solid sun]

So out of fear that physical damage would get nerfed, they got blizz to remove the buffed mystic touch

Which is just some crazy self-destruction

[frosty mango]

The fact that they reverted the buff is a big unspoken confirmation that this would be the intent

[tidal scarab]

It would level out in the end but would feel much much worse without a monk

[agile elbow]

Well, it was almost brew time to shine. Almost.

[solid sun]

Or they just got tired of hearing the complaining so they axed it

[frosty mango]

Blizz wouldn’t have removed it if they didn’t expect it have a large impact

[lofty warren]

Why do they need to nerf if monk gets to keep 8%

[undone beacon]

That’s not how blizz operates. Otherwise we’d have spell block back by now

[dusky canopy]

Rhino, think about it would you rather do 100 damage or 92 damage all the time if you don’t have the 8 another class provides

I’d rather do 100 and not rely on the other guy

[frosty mango]

Blizz dgaf about complaints, they saw people gearing up to severely shake up the meta and said nope that’s too much change

[solid sun]

I'd rather do 100 damage and monks keep their debuff how it currently is before this reversion, and I see nothing to support the idea that they would have nerfed physical damage

[dusky canopy]

They do not allow us to be at 100% and then get the raid buffs as a bonus

They just compensate nerf the recipients of the buff

[solid sun]

All these different magic damage specs get to exist while vdh brings their buff

[undone beacon]

Imagine if instead of nerfing the Druid vers buff by 2%, they nerfed every class by 2% instead and made you have to bring a Druid to every key to be back where you were

[solid sun]

Why does that get to happen but you all just assume physical specs don't get to do the same

[tidal scarab]

And they nerfed the vdh buff because magic damage was too high

It used to be 5%

It's the same thing as monk buff

[frosty mango]

Right - if monk did 8% the intent would obviously be to increase monk representation and not overall damage so the natural conclusion is that phys classes would be tuned down to compensate

[lofty warren]

Did they look at udk damage last patch? And now they are scared that a rogue might do half the damage that udk was doing last patch?

[frosty mango]

Which tbh is a logical conclusion

[solid sun]

Monk's current debuff isn't good enough. That's why it was buffed to begin with

[tidal scarab]

But you shouldn't buff one class to the detriment of several others

[frosty mango]

This is less a monk problem than a phys problem imo

[tidal scarab]

Balance is 0 sum

[solid sun]

Reverting it back to what it is on live just means that it's just a worse physical version of what vdh brings for magic specs

[frosty mango]

The value of monks buff is directly proportional to what its buffing

[jade pulsar]

yeah but u could instead then buff other phys classes to make the monk buff worth more also

[frosty mango]

The inverse is also true - buffing phys classes increases the value of monk but as players were too stupid to make that correlation (in blizz mind imo)

[solid sun]

Or you can just leave all the specs designed how they are and make the monk debuff better. Which is entirely logical and what they did

[tidal scarab]

He's not gonna get it

He's just a troll

[solid sun]

I'm not trolling, and my time here is testament that I don't just come here to troll people.

[slender bison]

Monk wasn't in raids. Devs buffed monk. Monk is now mandatory in M+. Devs forgot about M+. Devs revert change

Stop overthinking

[lofty warren]

When is the last time physically comp was best in m+? Like never?

[solid sun]

Monks were in raid

[frosty mango]

I don’t think you’re a troll, your argument is perfectly valid

Just not aligned with how blizz has shown they think

[jade pulsar]

exactly

[lofty warren]

How does blizz think?

[jade pulsar]

boy, wish i knew

[dusky canopy]

They do not view raid buffs as a bonus

They balance each spec assuming they’ll have all of them

And M+ is a ffa

[frosty mango]

That’s the neat part, they don’t

[tidal scarab]

https://youtu.be/TbMsdJXQSuE?si=Hc-ni_nkMmzvzPbK

[solid sun]

See the flow of logic here just doesn't connect

When the vdh debuff was considered too powerful, instead of nerfing all the magic specs they just nerfed the debuff

[sharp merlin]

anyone got the gif of the prot paladin running in with wings up on grim batol and falling over?

[solid sun]

But now that the monk debuff is buffed, we've decided that they'll just nerf all the physical specs instead of just reverting the monk debuff

[dusky canopy]

Precisely

💡

[solid sun]

So now the monk debuff doesn't even make it out of ptr

So we don't even know if it would have gone that way or not

For all we know phys comp would have been balls anyways, even with the buff

[tidal scarab]

Evidently it did so they nerfed it back to 5

[frosty mango]

I don’t think that’s their logic though

[lofty warren]

Even with 8% i bet the mage comp would be bis in m+

[solid sun]

That isn't what their notes say. The notes don't say, "Physical damage became too powerful so we chopped it back down to what it used to be."

[frosty mango]

There’s no reason to buff mystic touch instead of individually tuning phys classes if the intent is not to increase monk representation

[jade pulsar]

not a gif but hope it's ok

[sharp merlin]

YES

Amazing, thank you! 😄 bahahaha

[frosty mango]

So imo it is not solely a power thing, they obviously thought the change would not accomplish what they wanted it to and therefore reverted it

[lofty warren]

What did they want to do?

[nocturne spindle]

I mean the logic was very apparent because if you did the math monk at 8% does the same as DH 3% in raid. The only following options are that melee dps are 3% stronger in raids or 3% weaker in m+

[frosty mango]

IMO increase monk representation but instead of people saying “hell yea let’s play monk” they were more “ugh now monk is required in every group”

[solid sun]

I thought it was just simply to make their debuff more equal in usefulness to dh's debuff

[mild river]

Just remove buffs in general from m+? Is that a reasonable option?

[frosty mango]

Which would cause?

[lofty warren]

If that's true then why is 8% and proble.

[sharp merlin]

Crazy idea, make M+ a separate game like PVP is separated

[solid sun]

Who can say? Monks already existed in raid. Am I entirely misremembering MW being one of the healers of choice this tier? Isn't brewmaster considered one of the most consistently good raid tanks?

[sharp merlin]

It's impossible to balance the two, raiding and M+

[frigid plume]

just delete class buffs, raiders hate them too

[nocturne spindle]

Yes but the problem comes from equal in raid or in m+. You can't balance it around one without the other being weaker or stronger

[mild river]

Id love that

[frosty mango]

Representation is still very low

[sharp merlin]

my job here is done

[lofty warren]

I think this is the real reason. Ain't nobody wants to play brew when they can be pwar or vdh

[bleak breach]

Totally agree here

[sharp merlin]

tbf, I started my monk this week, I am having a fucking blast not gonna lie LOL

[nocturne spindle]

And yea rwf this tier had like 5 mw and 5 ww cause it was strong

[bleak breach]

Both magic and physical classes should be balanced around the buffs being the same 5 or 3%

[undone beacon]

Neither set of classes should be tuned around an external buff but that’s what ends up happening

[bleak breach]

Issue kinda sits with classes who benefit from both buffs though

[nocturne spindle]

As far as m+ balance yes they should be the same amount

[lofty warren]

Fact they should delete all raid buffs

[bleak breach]

Agree, I mean everything is in a way.

[bleak breach]

No, that’s stupid

[frosty mango]

But there are far more demon hunters than monks in m+ and that drives a big part of total representation

[bleak breach]

Then everyone would play like 3 classes

[frigid plume]

they should either delete every raid buff or they should make it so every unique class you bring gives a blanket 1% damage and healing amp instead of all doing different things

[bleak breach]

Raid buffs are fine, just balance classes better lol

[undone beacon]

Remember when hunters could provide any raid buff based on the pet they brought? That was slick

[frosty mango]

So buffing monk would work drive up monk and phys representation but many people viewed it as a negative change.

Balance is a zero sum game so why make an unpopular change that doesn’t accomplish your goal when you can tune classes individually instead with far less pushback

[frigid plume]

it's not fun making people reroll every tier to cover buffs

[bleak breach]

The raid buffs aren’t the issue, Blizz buffing buffs to balance is.
Classes just need to be balanced better and not touch buffs

[frosty mango]

That’s my thought process on their thought process

[solid sun]

That's because DH is more fun to play than monk. Or at least generally speaking is considered to be.

[frosty mango]

Conversely just get rid of buffs

[bleak breach]

Yes this and bring back inscription buffs or something like that to cover classes that aren’t there

I.e you can use 1 inscription scroll to cover a buff in a group

[lofty warren]

It's easier to hit yhe raid buffs then to target tune each spec. You act like it's theire job or something

[frosty mango]

Also because brewmaster has historically been poop

[solid sun]

Has it?

In keys, sure

But in raid it's been consistently good

[lofty warren]

Brew ain't never been best m+

[solid sun]

I know a lot of people who don't want a raid character and an m+ character

[jade pulsar]

Mid -> end of BFA S3

[lofty warren]

No that was vdh

[solid sun]

WW has had moments where it was quite good in m+

And MW has recently been quite good

[sharp merlin]

VDH was DFS3

[bleak breach]

If you’re not talking titles you can literally play whatever you like.

[solid sun]

I'm not suggesting otherwise?

We're talking about popularity

[bleak breach]

People feel meta forced but it’s literally no issue for 99.9% of players

No, supporting your argument

[sharp merlin]

Pretty much the whole way through, they had the best self sustain, the best armour, the best dmg, the best cc, it was legit insane

[bleak breach]

Just came off wrong

[jade pulsar]

BFA S3, sorry

[solid sun]

Ah gotcha

[frosty mango]

Blizz isn’t balancing around top % imo

[bleak breach]

Na they’re not

[sharp merlin]

I remember doing BloodDK, and sweating my ass off in keys, but VDH felt like I wasn't even tanking

[bleak breach]

But people instantly jumping into thinking they have to play the top class

[lofty warren]

No that was pwar

[sharp merlin]

Cause you don't get invited if you aren't sadly.

[jade pulsar]

not according to the stat website im looking at

[bleak breach]

I mean most people are in guilds or have friends who play the game

[solid sun]

Well and on the flip side of brew, BDK has been hugely popular forever, and while it's great at your middling keys it's awful at pushing

[bleak breach]

Whenever I pug aslong as they have enough IO or have completed I don’t care what class/spec they are

[lofty warren]

Bfa s3 was corruption when pwar thunder clapped the enemies to deaf if I remember

[frosty mango]

I dunno I just feel like blizzard is rarely forthcoming with their change logic.

[bleak breach]

Don’t disagree there

[frosty mango]

What they say and what they do rarely align so the only conclusion I can draw is they are either dumb or lying

[jade pulsar]

https://mythicstats.com/meta?expansion=bfa

[solid sun]

Now this is definitely true, unfortunately

[lofty warren]

They lying about whatever concerns on monk byff 100%

[solid sun]

This change in particular just seems annoying to me. I don't see why we can't just let people play around with it and see what shakes out. Maybe some of this is on blizz and some is on the constant dooming the different specs grip onto idk

[frosty mango]

Spell block was the same

“We are removing spell block because it required bespoke knowledge”

Also blizz: “replacement not intended to be as good as spell block it was too good”

[bleak breach]

Yep

[lofty warren]

It's the same exact knowledge needed for spell reflect but that's around

[bleak breach]

Agree

[frosty mango]

They stated their logic and then made an illogical change directly tied to that logic and then walked back with different logic later

This happens repeatedly

[lofty warren]

I blame ion hazavoxkass that's what happens when you get lawyers making/approving design communication

[sharp merlin]

Just get rid of seasons imo

I feel like everything I did the last few months meant nothing

[lofty warren]

Since the spell reflect notes are lies what are the truthful notes for removing spell block?

[solid sun]

they finally said

it was too strong

[sharp merlin]

Let’s be real it was 😂

Once you learnt what could be spell blocked

Like final sting, man that made those pulls a breeze

[lofty warren]

Pwar was not even s tier on tier list

[frosty mango]

Was it?

I feel like it wasn’t

Considering the alternative is you don’t have another button to press

[sharp merlin]

Anything which negates 100% dmg is pretty awesome

But not giving us something else sucks

[frosty mango]

It doesn’t negate 100% damage though

[sharp merlin]

Well when I used it correctly, it made certain mechanics a breeze

[frosty mango]

Yes that’s how defensives work lol

[sharp merlin]

Wait it didn’t?

Okay so is AMS too OP?

[mellow bridge]

crit spellblocks would functionally be very close to 100%, yes

[solid sun]

I think what made spell block so particularly powerful was how long the duration was

[mellow bridge]

a non crit spellblock would be about 40% dr or so

[frosty mango]

“When I learned which spells I could block it worked very well” which aligns with their original logic but their illogical action was to remove it

[solid sun]

I would venture to speculate that if spell block didn't last as long as it did, it would seem a lot more in line

[frosty mango]

Instead of you know, just building a way to see which spells are blockable (which is already in the game files)

[bleak breach]

Don’t start the tier list stuff

[jagged gust]

pepega is brainrot incarnate

[frosty mango]

He’s so good at it though

[sharp merlin]

I can make my own tier list.. woah hey! Prot is S tier!

[jagged gust]

immaculate track record tbh

[frosty mango]

As long as you also record a YouTube video and make a clickbait title thumbnail it’s 100% legit imo

[sharp merlin]

Watch me! And my 109 subscribers!!

[bleak breach]

We weren’t top tank, but Spell Block was still one of the single best abilities in the game.
It wasn’t spell block stopping us being on top, it’s bleeds and things that can’t be blocked or reflected. More to the point we can’t heal.

[jagged gust]

In a stunning twist, Prot War+ VDH meta emerges in S3

[solid sun]

An image of you gasping with a title like, "Spellbreaker OP?" and then putting us as S tier

Absolute chef's kiss

[sharp merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/gasp-omg-wow-shocked-surprised-gif-15495823

“Is Prot Warrior S Tier?”

[solid sun]

"You won't believe this new passive defensive Prot Warrior has!"

And then get enough footage where you negate 50% of a spell hitting you like 6 times

Show each clip

Never show all the other times it doesn't work

Ship it

[jagged gust]

Gets nerfed 1 patch later

[sharp merlin]

“Prot warrior needs to be nerfed”

And huge

10.2M overall

Hahaha

[jagged gust]

Remember, it doesn't need to be good, the community just needs to complain about it enough

We can start the psyops now, nerf Spellbreaker! (Or whatever that talent is called)

[solid sun]

Even better if you can get a clip of spellbreaker working that one time against some well known giga magic damage ability

"Look! I didn't even press a defensive for this! Prot Warrior just lives this attack."

Then post up another clip of a vdh getting clapped by it

Even if it's you playing poorly on purpose

[jagged gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1369851066178473985/rlp.gif

Just slap this on every 15 seconds

[solid sun]

"imagine if this poor vdh had spellbreaker!"

[sharp merlin]

How on earth did he die?

He has spikes up?

Surprised you don’t see.. “…healer?”

[lofty warren]

Back in shadowlands vdh was doing a lot of spell damage dr and blizz was sure to nerf that

[bleak breach]

Question guys

How much value does block value and block chance bring assuming you have 100% block uptime with shield block anyway?

Like is that talent necessary?

I don’t even know what block value does haha

[lofty warren]

Lowers your ehrps

[bleak breach]

Your what?

[strong forum]

Block value is determined by shield ilvl and determines how much damage a block reduces, the more block value the less dmg you take from a blocked hit

On average a blocked hit reduces dmg taken by 50-60% with max ilvl shield

Critblock by 85%

[warm plinth]

To be clear, block value is how much damage you prevent, which is why it's valuable. Block chance is not as valuable since as you said, we can have 100% uptime on shield block. But it is a bit of a buffer if you make a whoops and let it drop

[strong forum]

Block value, apart from armor, is why shield is by far our most important item defensively

[warm plinth]

Wow Nome editing his message so now I look silly

Smh

[strong forum]

Nah

It still works

[undone beacon]

wow this guy sure looks silly

[lofty warren]

Effective healing required per second it's like dps but for tanks

[small steeple]

i mean, thats actually not what ehrps stands for,

it means external healing required per second

meaning how much healing is needed from a healer in order for the tank to survive the damage scenario its in. Not super useful but it has its uses

[lofty warren]

External not even makes sense though effective makes more sense

[bleak breach]

@strong forum so that talent is still worth taking then?

[small steeple]

but it is external, the extra external healing required, outside/excluding the tanks own healing

[lofty warren]

You can get external but you have big dr

But what about dr?

[small steeple]

ehrps has nothing to do with dr, thats why its niche

[lofty warren]

So that's why I said effective

[small steeple]

you cant just change the name of a well known metric and use the same values but have it mean something different

[lofty warren]

Does ehrps really ignore dr and self heal?

[small steeple]

yes thats the point, well the self heal

Its after all of that, so the amount of healing required from an external source

[lofty warren]

Oh okay so external = effective tomato potato done thing

Same thing

[nocturne spindle]

Yea effective healing needed makes much less sense since you would have to like back into it calculating damage reductions

And then it would be a number so removed from what the healer does it just makes no sense lol

[bleak breach]

Soooooo after all this chat

It is it a 100% necessary talent?

[nocturne spindle]

Probably one of the best choices but not strictly necessary with a high I lvl shield probably

[open drift]

If you are a dracthyr do you need a gust of wind potion to do mythic gally 5th bomb?

[bleak breach]

Don’t believe so

I just made the DH do it lol

[raven kernel]

External in ehrps means healing NOT FROM YOURSELF

[lofty warren]

Does dr count as healing?

[raven kernel]

No

[eager robin]

should ignore pain be prio over shield block?

[mighty valley]

No — shield block is the buff you should try to have up 100% of the time

[warm plinth]

I KNOW RIGHT?

[fathom meteor]

Is there much of a difference between thane and colossus next patch or is the healing from colossus just better? Bit slow at keeping up with changes

[undone beacon]

Its very much up in the air right now. Will depend on final tuning with patch launch

Both look viable though

[sinful copper]

If I have 17 resilience but skip 3 weeks of keys, do I go to the NPC and get a 17 key? Or what does it give me?

Assume resilience would also affect the key I start with

[knotty pewter]

should give you the resil level. i hadnt done keys since turbo boost on my warrior and i got a 15

i got mine out the vault though. but i only did a 12 last week

[neon elk]

Is there no aotc mount this tier or is google trolling me ?

[frigid valley]

usually only last tier of expansion if i recall correctly

[blazing ridge]

not that it really matters, but watching some high key ptr runs, tank damage overall does seem lower compared to live.

or its just that we dont scale as good as the dps

[rancid tiger]

What?

Thane fucks?, and collosus, was insane before nerf? I only saw videos of tanks doin insane dmg?

[sharp merlin]

I haven’t done any ptr cause I like the mystery of next season, but hows threat?

Dmg is nothing to me if threat is an issue still

[blazing ridge]

Just bring MM Hunter

[jagged pier]

they got nerfed

[crude spoke]

hey still pump

same with frostDK

[blazing ridge]

Saw one Pull on SoW +18 where a MM Hunter did 40 m dps in a pull of idk 8-10 mobs, he did like 1,5b dmg next 2 dps were at like 500m dmg

I think hunter will still slap hard

[mortal cypress]

What if it's because Hunters are generally the most skilled players?

[jagged pier]

[blazing ridge]

Lmao I watched the stream of a friend that just rolled MM for next season, the rotation looks so... effortless to say the least xdd

[quaint granite]

They are still very broken, a 10 and 12% aura nerf did almost nothing it feels like, which really says something about what they were like before

[cyan bronze]

just brings them in line with other specs yeah

they were a bit silly before

[severe orbit]

Does anyone have a pov of warrior doing duds for mythic gally?