protection

[frosty mango]

It’s also a bad pull imo

[cyan bronze]

double knight is horrendously bad

[frosty mango]

You can get equal count on that pull with one knight

[cyan bronze]

single knight mini is okay

[frosty mango]

So why do two?

[cyan bronze]

no knight is an actual route

knights are just a bad mob in the key

when light spawn and casters exist

[frosty mango]

One is much easier to execute in pugs though on the first pull without skip shenanigans

[cyan bronze]

me when it does like 30% more dmg on st spell that has full uptime and has an aoe and has 30% more health

than lightspawn

and isn’t meldable

actual terrible mob balancing in that key

[tribal wharf]

you die a dps until you unsub or in frustration become the shitty healer / tank who wipes the raid

reading some comments earlier

[cyan bronze]

Healing just feels weird atm

[tribal wharf]

i've never liked healing

[cyan bronze]

I enjoy it

it’s just like

[slender bison]

It's not as bad as BFA when everything died in 1.5 GCDs

[cyan bronze]

mage is invincible as long as he plays the game

[tribal wharf]

and yes, i did, in 2004 wow, paladin

[cyan bronze]

dk is not on frames effectively

[tribal wharf]

never once enjoyed being healer

[cyan bronze]

tank usually just needs sup

so it’s just boomie shielding sim

[slender bison]

Peak healing was Disc priest with Twilight Equilibrium and active Schism. Swap shadow/holy pew-pew before ramping. The rest is just whack-a-mole.

[tribal wharf]

i think i dont like healing because it has the capacity to go extremely wrong

[slender bison]

At least its not healing 20 years ago with 5 Lesser Heal ranks on action bar

[cyan bronze]

preshielding bolts atm is like

most of what you need to do

[tribal wharf]

i would prefer to be a priest if anything but even then, tried it, and eh

[cyan bronze]

and existing in xav is not enjoyable

[tribal wharf]

i like the renew bot meta

[sharp gale]

Yes with tank, it is pass or fail

[delicate geyser]

the truth if I ever heard it

[undone beacon]

healing is for nerds dps is for losers me and my crew do all tank keys all the time

[sharp gale]

But I think healers play this bc they like the random peak of stress

[jagged gust]

I have a problem with just zoning out as disc because my rotation is taking care of the group 90% of the time

[fair sonnet]

Man, going from thane to colossus was really something

[sharp gale]

You are a fucking healer do yeah…

[cerulean tusk]

Yep - tho Thane full shield/surv build does have a charm
Having close to 100k EDTPS is its own flavor of fun

[jagged gust]

Holy still hasn't clicked for me yet, not sure how to consistently deal with mass raid damage

[fair sonnet]

agreed, Thane self healing and tankiness is also awesome

[jagged gust]

I really want to play thane next season

[sharp gale]

I like only 2 healer specs

Rdruid and monk

[jagged gust]

From how my guildie describes it monk healing sounds very passive

Like you just do your rotation and your talents figure out the rest?

[sharp gale]

I played two weeks monk, and it is « I trust my damage will heal him »

[frosty mango]

In keys kinda

In raid you’re spamming healing the entire time

[sharp gale]

I don’t like monk in raid at all

[frosty mango]

In keys the nuance on monk is knowing when you need to spend vitality on healing vs when you can use it for damage

Because your standard ancient teachings healing does reasonably good hps but you need to prep for high damage events with rems/tft so you can zen pulse or crackling

Especially if you know you’ll be out of melee

[frosty mango]

Big gains

[sharp gale]

But I think it’s more : I hate the raid healer pov as melee

[frosty mango]

lol

Fortunately you don’t have to be on the boss

Rwk has a very generous range

You only need to be in if there’s downtime and you’re fishing for resets with bok

[undone beacon]

bok, rwk, what is all this nonsense

we ONLY talk prot warrior here, never other specs

[sharp gale]

Blackout kick

And the talent of rising sun kick

[frosty mango]

Bok = big onery kick
Rwk = really wide kick

Two new warrior talents in the ptr

Bok increases threat and interrupts spell cast, Rwk is a frontal aoe kick

(This is sarcasm lurkers, don’t get me in trouble again)

[undone beacon]

mods, roid is spreading misinformation again

mr electric, send him to the principals office

should i run every raid on every difficulty to get ALL the mogs?

I'm tempted tbh

[solid sun]

We got new talents????

Oooooo

Thanks for the reliable information, Roid

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-funny-gif-5664557295072179547

[cerulean tusk]

New talents, that is cool

[idle copper]

EDTPS?

[frosty mango]

Effective damage taken per second

[idle copper]

Thank you.
What does it mean? Mitigating 100k a second?

[nocturne spindle]

mitigating everything except 100k a second

[stiff gate]

Any advice for Priory first boss on 18/19? Did a few runs of 18 last night and was fighting for my life, ran completely dry by the end. Straight up died with all my stuff on cd in one of the runs.

i was running thunderlord in an attempt to get a tiny bit more defense but on only 2 targets its tough to tell if it mattered, and i ran mud which got 2-3 uses but not sure if bombsuit would've served me better (only have hero track bombsuit and myth track mud, figured the ilvl + cdr from the bleed would make mud more desirable)

[frosty mango]

#protection message

[stiff gate]

appreciate it, i felt like often i was dying through demo shout/mud/ls, basically any pierce i didnt have an actual shield wall for i would end up having to use health pot or proc bsv, or drop extremely low if i didnt have those

[frosty mango]

The healer has to heal you

At that level

There’s no way around it, if they aren’t sending on you, you will die

That’s a them problem

[stiff gate]

yeah, im just trying to do as much as i can, our disc complains when he has to use shields on me instead of himself and our shaman

[frosty mango]

It’s one specific boss with a mechanic that explicitly counters our primary form of mitigation

Why would he not be healing you

[stiff gate]

i think he's mostly worried about keeping people pre-shielded for mauling and having stuff ramped for the aoe

he is healing me but i guess there's only so much he can do on disc, he used to play rdruid and it felt a lot safer

[frosty mango]

He’s got two pain suppresses and dps have their own defensives for those mechanics

You are using all of your defensives and he needs to cover the gap, the dps need to use their own defensives in this case - health pots included

It just is what it is, can’t block bleeds

But yeah the 4th or 5th pierce like I wrote in that breakdown is danger danger, I always ask for an external

[stiff gate]

i was tempted to test out MT to see if the rage gen would let me spam IP even harder but i dont see the damage loss and the loss of 20 sec shockwave knockup being worth it in a key where you fight 500 casters

[frosty mango]

I don’t think it would make much difference tbh

The bleed hits very hard

[wheat lake]

Our guild has a warrior struggle tonight and i have a geared prot warrior for gally mythic, normally i play pally and do the bombs, is it possible to do them as warrior aswell, or are we screwed?

[frosty mango]

Perfectly capable

[undone beacon]

Prot does bombs just fine

[frosty mango]

Spell block/spell reflect are high value, just make sure you face the boss

[wheat lake]

and for the dud dmg itself shieldwall i guess?

[frosty mango]

Yep. If I recall the dud is the only non spell blockable thing he has

There’s a spreadsheet in the pins that lists it

[shut summit]

i tried mt before and didnt feel worth, healer just gotta heal

[stiff gate]

do you have a log of doing it on 19/20 i could look at?

[fair linden]

I’ve only done 1st boss on a 17 w/o mud and saving shield wall for overlapping AoE and bleeds helps a lot. Keep spell reflect on CD for the magic debuff cast thing. Also using avatar defensively is useful. Saving demo shout for the start of a bleed/cast and not using it on CD is helpful. Also you can’t keep 100% uptime on ignore pain, so saving rage for overlaps is helpful so your healer can heal you when nothing is happening

[shut summit]

didn't log

[frosty mango]

One thing that will help a lot that I put in that write up because I notice a lot of wars doing it

Press wall as close to the pierce cast as possible

A lot of people press it like 3 seconds early and lose half of the value on the bleed

[shut summit]

i don't ever wall a solo bleed, is always an overlap with the judgment thing or the aoe

we pull in an archer pack with dogs and a priest as well so start is a little scarier but just watch the overlaps

[stiff gate]

yeah we aren't doing the sharpshooter/lynxes into it because the 2 times we've tried it our dps got deleted by jumps

[small steeple]

Hows MT damage looking?

[frosty mango]

I posted some logs

Hollld up

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cgBfZ9nPm7aC6NjG

TLDR now much closer but still unlikely to be the play assuming no changes

[nocturne spindle]

cant wait to pull a billion mobs into every boss and just bleed heal it all

[frosty mango]

Don’t worry blizz is currently over there

https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-rubbing-hands-together-spice-adams-vyd3n-meme-man-behind-tree-meme-gif-2569343513927502347

Look there they are

Looking at fbv

[slim dove]

nerf fbv give us real spell mitigation pls

and lower disrupting shout to 1min

[frosty mango]

Sorry that requires bespoke knowledge not available in the game. Also it was too strong and we don’t want that so instead you get nothing. Have a good day

[keen leaf]

Yall I heard there's 2 new kick spells on the PTR today?

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, confirmed here #protection message

[mighty valley]

is this some kind of "kick deez nuts" bait

[cerulean tusk]

Click it, or you will never know

(also no)

[small steeple]

what bout raid

[tribal wharf]

personally i could give a shit less about fbv "big healing"

or its like, i wouldnt get excited over it

or it going away

unless it was like, stupid

[frosty mango]

I didn’t test it in raid but I imagine they would be close

[tribal wharf]

i would still want something that regens me as pwar

[restive oak]

i honestly think they should remove shield wall, because you have to know damage is going to come in to press it, that's asking too much

[slender bison]

!!! S3 phys comp = god comp lets go!!!

[lime urchin]

Spell block is such a boring spell compared to the elegance of shield block, ignore pain and spell reflect
There is much more design potential in it

[tribal wharf]

remove armor too

its too complicated

and espcially shields and parry

[frosty mango]

Pack it up boys we’re gonna be gods

[slender bison]

Meat back on the menu gif

[restive oak]

whos list is that :p

[frosty mango]

Icy veins the most reliable source of info around obviously

[lilac basalt]

Is there any reliable source for a pre season tier list? 😀

[mighty valley]

What is this Alternative-Best nonsense

Fake ass tiers

There's also an S+ but no S?

[nocturne spindle]

its still fucking hilarious that WARRIOR OP BEST ITS EVERY BEEN GODS AMONGST TANKS is basically still at the same tier as DH with no changes from last season

lmao

[tribal wharf]

bdk in last place seems accurate

[frosty mango]

If you look at all the tier lists

They’re all different

[mighty valley]

We just need to maintain standards in our clickbait

[frosty mango]

Which just confirms what is actually true which is no one knows anything

[urban bane]

remember last season and almost the whole PTR cycle these clowns slept on colossus prot warrior

[frosty mango]

The icy veins detail makes me chuckle

In addition, they have the highest damage output across all tank specs, which is a large influence on their overall rankings

So basically like right now where we have the highest output across all specs

But we aren’t meta

[slim dove]

all of them are based on predictions with the #1 goal to get you to click

[solid sun]

Are you still going to do keys as brew

To help gear it during raid

Or are you gonna try to CE raid with only raid gear lol

[austere ginkgo]

Is Prot Warrior abnormally high in DPS for a tank? Or is every other tank class just getting tuned down?

[solid sun]

@frosty mango

[frosty mango]

No I’ll do keys as mw, or begrudgingly
Ww

[neon elk]

Yo guys, whats best strat to farm mementos in vision? Do full runs on masks or just spam few bosses ? Or just last

[mighty valley]

on live? we're on average the highest in aoe. on ptr? who knows tuning's not final

[frosty mango]

Abnormal is highly subjective but I don’t think we’re vastly above anyone else currently

[neon elk]

Wouldnt say we are that far ahead tho

On live

[austere ginkgo]

👍

[frosty mango]

We were abnormally high before revenge nerfs this season

[solid sun]

You’ll also seem abnormally high if you care at all about playing well and group up with subpar dps :)

[frosty mango]

True

I run 10s with 640 people all day so I feel like a god

[restive oak]

it was funny at start of season just doing more st than dps specs

[drifting surge]

Does heroic leap cancel demolish or?

Cause I noticed i can do it in it but not seeing the dmg on NCT

So not sure

[nocturne spindle]

moving away cancels demolish

so yes leaping away would cancel it

until 11.2

then we get tech #updates-midnight message

[drifting surge]

Ahh

Ok cool

[austere ginkgo]

Trying to get Underpin ?? solo before end of season and I saw a prot warrior claim that they solved it by ignoring the cronies.
Anyone else done it using that method?

[jagged pier]

why would u ignore the bots

that just makes it harder

[austere ginkgo]

They claimed that it let them focus down the boss with damage instead of running around the arena and avoid time kicking bombs.

[jagged pier]

but thats literally not the problem

i did it like second day of the season

theres 1 check

can u break the shield

and demolish does that

on its own

kicking the orbs arent hard at all ither

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/as-it-should-steve-bigtop-burger-bigtop-burger-gif-26818419

[violet ginkgo]

gods for like 1-2 weeks then BAM! 🔨
Nerfed

[austere ginkgo]

I haven't found the shield break to be the problem either, it's a positioning fight. But getting the positioning on the Underpin so cronies spawn where you want and then kicking bombs into them means time not spent killing the boss, which means more time in the fight. So, in theory, there's a kind of sense to not spending that time on that.

Less time in the fight, less time for things to go wrong.

[jagged pier]

i literally just moved the boss to the spawns

i cant believe as tanks we are complaining about positioning

[jagged gust]

Pretty sure they were trolling you

[nocturne spindle]

yea but

the fight with dead ads

is literally a tank and spank

just kill them it takes like 10 seconds

and then you could literally autoattack the boss and demolish the shield lol

[slim dove]

bio prints basically solo the boss if you wanna be giga lazy about it

[jagged gust]

Maybe now that we're 685ilvl that strategy might work, but by the third spawn it's literally bullet hell if you don't keep up with adds

[frosty mango]

Or conversely just don’t do the fight

[austere ginkgo]

I have seriously considered it. There is a point where "cool cosmetic" just stops being worth the time invested.
Not quite there yet with Underpin ?? but getting there.

[slim dove]

i think i did it around 665 ilvl on pwar

just focus on clearing adds, save cds for shield

bio print works if you hit the adds first yourself before kicking a bomb into them

[jagged gust]

And position the boss on the next quarter circle of the arena for proper add spawn after clearing each wave

[austere ginkgo]

Before? Don't they need to be under 40% before biprint works?

[slim dove]

yueah after the first bomb

[austere ginkgo]

Ah

[slim dove]

cuz you need 2

[austere ginkgo]

I'm 652 which is around where Underpin was first cleared, actually a little higher IIRC.
More ilvl would be nice but I'm already pinned under an army of chores involving greedy emissary, horrific visions, collector's bounty, and regular dailies/weeklies.
Not sure where I'd find the time to grind delves or M+ for the gilded to make any leaps in gear. Don't think it would happen through the great vault with only 3? weeks left.

[jagged pier]

i was interested and did a few trys not killing the bots

yer its way harder do able at 685

but just kick the bombs honestly

[jagged gust]

can you still SR the lines? That was certainly handy from time to time

[jagged pier]

I didnt even know u could do that

just dodge

its easy to track 5 lines, when u get to 15 and knowing which one will move first

thats gets hard

[jagged gust]

I like how hard mode initiates after so many failed attempts

Like we see you struggling with the adds, we'll put them in the stands so you don't have to see them anymore 🙂

[jagged pier]

that bug still around?

didnt know it was a bug when i did it nearly killed it with them up there

complete luck and not stadning still

[jagged gust]

It was pretty fun, eventually there would be so many lines you'd start getting invisible lasers

just constantly strafing hoping for the best, screaming the whole time

[tribal wharf]

that thing they did for mounts drops

should do that for really rare old world smithing plans, engi plans, formulas for enchanting

[austere ginkgo]

They're considered a Spell? That could indeed be handy.

[tribal wharf]

cuz there is like, mongoose and blood something from ulduar, and i ran those damn things like 100s of times

and i never once saw them drop

i want to say ulduar one is called beserking, i gave up on ever getting that one long long ago

[dense remnant]

hmm, is there something special in the prot war APL to make tome custom apl work? trying to just plug the custom APL line to my brewmaster sim but it aint doing anything

nvm, got it to work

[frosty mango]

No need anymore

It was added to the base apl a few months back

[neon elk]

Ty guys for bringing up underpin convo, kinda forget i havent done it yet so just finished .

[dense remnant]

Definitely not for brew

[frosty mango]

er

I feel like it was, i can go look

[solid sun]

Roid

Am I a Warrior or a Brewmaster

[warm plinth]

42

[solid sun]

I'm not 42 yet

[frosty mango]

look at that

it sure wasnt

interesting I wonder why

[frosty mango]

you are a warrior

[frosty mango]

im gonna ask in brew

cord

[warm plinth]

42 is the answer to life, the universe, and everything

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-life-marvin-hate-life-walkaway-gif-14470758

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/not-worth-knowing-angel-you-people-movie-alan-rickman-gif-8166199

[warm plinth]

Had to go see that one again in theaters for the anniversary showing lol

[frosty mango]

they have an on use for all trinkets but it will definitely not reflect how it's used in reality

I'll send a PR to fix it later if I get around to it

[dense remnant]

Ye I was asking about it there too ^^ as you can see I also responded to your comment there

[solid sun]

We got nerfed!

Aaaaahhhhh!

[slim dove]

Aaaaahhh

[torn gust]

hecc

prot is dead

[restive oak]

fbv is still strong

[south wing]

how bad is it boys?

[mighty valley]

uhhhhhhh that thane buff reads

pretty big, huh

[slim dove]

looks pretty big

[bleak breach]

Thane Tier starting to look juicy

[mighty valley]

i expected worse

[bleak breach]

Especially with FBV nerf for colossus

[torn gulch]

200% was way too much anyway
i would argue even 150% is too much

thane set looks serviceable from what i can see

[bleak breach]

How far ahead was colossus over thane for 11.2? Does that bridge the gap?

[kind urchin]

It was pretty big gap. Should bring it a bit closer.

[nocturne spindle]

yea its like a 30% overall nerf with tierset changes

so we still big healing on packs

[echo egret]

Yay w're still DKs !! (not yay)

[austere ginkgo]

If I do /combatlog does that replace the existing log file, or only append to it?

[wicked jungle]

W change to tank trinket though?

[torn gulch]

the cheat death one?

[wicked jungle]

Aye

[stiff gate]

really hoping colo is still the play, dont wanna lose my shockwave knockup (mostly cuz without it shockwave gets dr'd in 3 seconds flat by every member of my party...)

[torn gulch]

i don't know wht but collosus doesn't click for me aestetically
i guess i like clapping too much

[warm plinth]

All /combatlog from the same game session are appended to the same file. If you exit the game, it will start a new file the next time you log.

[austere ginkgo]

And if I want to split the log I need to exit the game?

[nocturne spindle]

mountain thane impentrable wall back on the menu?

[warm plinth]

I believe there's a split log tool as well during the upload process

[undone beacon]

prot is dead pack it up lads

[nocturne spindle]

but no BSV giga healing on packs

hmmmmm

[warm plinth]

You can use that if you only want to upload specific encounters

[nocturne spindle]

we might actually mountain thane raid, colossus keys

could be fun

[cyan bronze]

Ok so instead of pulling 6-8 mobs and being bdk

We need 8-12 now

Gg

Pack it up

[nocturne spindle]

9-12 🙂

its a 32% nerf

[bleak breach]

It will be gg

Stress less

[mystic vale]

Are we the worst tank now?

[nocturne spindle]

yes were terrible plz give buffs

[undone beacon]

unplayable swap to brew
NOW

[crimson furnace]

#swaptobrew2025

[frosty mango]

Called it

Said they’d nerf our tier

[dark barn]

not bad if you think that 200% was super overtuned

[frosty mango]

Who clowned me

I was riiiiggt

Although I was expecting more

[solid sun]

How much is 32%

[frail ibex]

Isn't vdh aiming to be better again and it didnt get anything?

[solid sun]

VDH not getting burned to the ground is definitely a war crime

[nocturne spindle]

32% means we only heal 70% of our health bar every second

so

big sad

very terrible

[urban bane]

fuckin dumb man. i mean i saw a nerf coming but the thought that VDH is fine, brew monk damage is fine, frost dk fine like... ????

How many crayons were eaten this week?

[undone beacon]

this is why i need to stop following ptr changes and just wait and see at the end of the cycle

[slim dove]

Doubt this is it for tuning

[chilly brook]

bro we got 4 weeks until the season actually starts

plenty of time for changes

chill 🙂

[slim dove]

Plus week 1-2 of raid tuning

[cerulean tusk]

You meant to say: Plenty of time of nothing changing for anyone else but warrior, that gets nerfed - I presume

[urban bane]

no 🙂

[dark barn]

150% FbV still great

[frail ibex]

time for changes doesn't translate to time for good changes

they can still be bad lol

"vdh buffed by 100%" 🙂

I mean I play all but brew so I am fine but

fuck give me a prot warrior season

[solid sun]

I, personally, think it's fine to be annoyed that VDH still hasn't received anything.

But I'm not actually all that bent about it

[chilly brook]

someones gonna be meta

[urban bane]

I'm not arguing that

[chilly brook]

the cycle continues

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-memes-cat-images-cat-meme-gif-2266397159235591106

[dark barn]

arms sucks, so the best phys comp can be prot war for battle shout, windwalker or mistweaver for mystic touch

[chilly brook]

no

brew is honestly the best slot in for a phys comp tank

[strong forum]

wow that thane set sounds exactly like what i thought it should do instead

or did i even say it in here hold up

[frosty mango]

Thane looks like it may be on the menu

[tight hinge]

Was already close ya and now it’s stomping time

[frosty mango]

There we go

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/rWWNbAP.png

[bleak breach]

Colossus will still clear

Maybe

[strong forum]

found it

[chilly brook]

if they're close I'd rather play thane tbh

[tight hinge]

colossus sober thane edible gamin

[chilly brook]

for no other reason than snap threat

[warm plinth]

oh I must have missed the tier set change

[tight hinge]

uptime on the dr from thunder blast is gonna be so high

[strong forum]

yeah cuz thats what you care about

[warm plinth]

I care about clap go brr

[dense crater]

Swapped over from a fury main to a prot main over the weekend.

Boys I apologize, I think the nerfs followed me. XD

[warm plinth]

so pls let me play thane blizz

[tight hinge]

bro its called being positive lol

[warm plinth]

Though I like Colossus too

Demolish is big fun

[nocturne spindle]

imp wall mountain thane double defensive every magic buster

stonks

[strong forum]

imp wall?

[slim dove]

wall of imps

[strong forum]

sir that talent got removed in 11.1

[slim dove]

[nocturne spindle]

if i say it enough times well use it again

🙂

[strong forum]

sir thats my job

[nocturne spindle]

go back to farming isleweaver

you need more ducats for tennocon baro kiteer

[chilly brook]

all I know is I'll be the rogue in your phys comp 🙂

[strong forum]

rogue

[chilly brook]

I got tired of playing evoker in my 2 day raid group

needed a change

[quick flame]

No king rules forever homies

[strong forum]

we havent been ruling in a while

[nocturne spindle]

prot>resto>fdk>vdh>enhance shaman

best comp

[shut summit]

would have to be a king to rule

[strong forum]

only thing we rule at is not knowing that mobs have phys tank busters in keys(apparently)

[neon elk]

Im kinda shocked they havent touched vdh yet tho , so boring to have that class as meta again

[frosty mango]

Prob throw some keys at the ptr later try to get some updated logs

[chilly brook]

it won't be

this is gonna be a brew season

[quick flame]

At this point we are gonna end up with the same meta comp from season 2

[neon elk]

So far it looks like it will still be vdh, brew is strong but it aint broken as vdh and it requires healer

[quick flame]

Fdk instead udk

[urban bane]

"no king rules forver" vdh meanwhile

https://tenor.com/view/plague-doctor-dance-gif-19130639

[slim dove]

Chain sigil beam for another season!

poggo

[chilly brook]

still plenty of time for changes also lemme point this out

[neon elk]

Yea there is 1 monk to like 100 vdhs xd

[chilly brook]

and that's before all the buffs they're getting this next season

[chilly brook]

more than 1

[quick flame]

What's crazy about monksea

They play all keys with no comms

Typing in chat

[chilly brook]

there's 3 monks in the top 100 tanks ty

this comp also going to be just better in next season

[nocturne spindle]

theyre all target capped though so its basically just GIGA damage group doing normal pulls that you dont actually need coordination for

which is how that works

right?

[chilly brook]

except you might slot in hunter

[neon elk]

Ive counter 2 but thats not the point

[chilly brook]

feral and warrior are essentially uncapped iirc

outlaw is 8 targets

[neon elk]

Point is despite monk bein way stronger than it is now, vdh has simply way too many tools

[chilly brook]

the tools are meaningless

[solid sun]

But aren't there a few extremely good magic dps in the ptr rn

[neon elk]

arcane still pumps, shadow is busted and boomy is boomy

[strong forum]

thats not the point rhino

the point is people are warming up to the idea of having 2 diff "meta" comps

1 phys comp

1 caster comp

[tight hinge]

which is erotic imo

[strong forum]

took people long enough

[jade hazel]

I spit out my coffee thank you

[frosty mango]

If brew ends up being meta I see two metas because phys comp can do absolute insane dps

[chilly brook]

Yoda list take it for whatever you think it's worth

that was also before the nerfs to mages today lmao

[obtuse egret]

Do the nerfs kill the self healing?

[nocturne spindle]

i really dont get his ppal placement though lmao

[wary gyro]

yoda list so worth nothing

[frosty mango]

Feral is hugely slept on for keys imo, a competent feral can do insane damage, insane funnel, plus has huge offheal capability and a battle res

[chilly brook]

purely based on damage

[nocturne spindle]

its too squishy for half the dungeons and good at the other half

[slim dove]

There's like 3 good ferals is the problem

[strong forum]

doesnt kill it, just reigns it more in

[solid sun]

Because it's hard af. You need a NASA UI to keep track of everything

[strong forum]

and the "hype" over the "mega" self healing is also a bit miscontrued because it looks bigger than it is

[slim dove]

It's way easier than it used to be

[obtuse egret]

I seen a video saying warrior can basically self sustain on 6 targets. Is that still the case?

[strong forum]

because you lose a SHIT TON of IP value

that says ...

nothing

[frosty mango]

Also it doesn’t account for the overhealing the healer is now doing

[obtuse egret]

We do? They nerfed that?

[frosty mango]

Which is potentially very large

[strong forum]

no

but because youre playing FbV

[nocturne spindle]

just talent swap

[strong forum]

you simply have way less IP

[obtuse egret]

Oh right yeah, forgot it's a duel choice node

[strong forum]

therefor ignore pain looks weaker cuz well, you make IP weaker and gain a new details bar

[quick flame]

I'm really sad they removed juggernaut

[strong forum]

therefor the talent looks bigger than it is

[quick flame]

Why blizzard

Why

[obtuse egret]

Ah I see

They removed juggernaut???

When

[strong forum]

i can self sustain vs 20 mobs even right now without FbV

[chilly brook]

pretty sure sub rogue is harder tbh

[strong forum]

so like

[quick flame]

From prot warriors yea

[strong forum]

empty statement

[solid sun]

Don't care, wasn't the subject of conversation

[obtuse egret]

When did they remove it

[strong forum]

with new talent tree

[bleak breach]

11.2

[warm plinth]

You're a new talent tree

gottem

[chilly brook]

The point is just that, imo, feral druid difficulty is vastly overstated

[bleak breach]

Juggernaut is meh anyway

[strong forum]

juggernaut being gone is good

[obtuse egret]

Where can I see the new talent tree?

[slim dove]

People don't play feral because it's community perception is garbage and it's not fun (generally speaking)

[strong forum]

^

[chilly brook]

jugg sucks, bad talent

[warm plinth]

Go to the wowhead talent calculator, then click 11.2 at the top of the page

[strong forum]

feral has been OWNING for a while now

[bleak breach]

It’s just for people hoping for a good parse, really fast pulls it’s useless or if you don’t get enough sudden death.

[obtuse egret]

Thank you

[strong forum]

but people hate on it cuz its not boomkin

feral is the prot warrior of dps specs

[slim dove]

Insane funnel, insane cleave, tanky, off healing, brez, motw

[warm plinth]

Boomkin is the most boring spec in this game, full stop

[frail ibex]

Funny how it was a fury thing and they gave it to the 2 specs that did not originally have it

[strong forum]

hated if not perceived as turbo broken

[slim dove]

but no beam so people just assume it's bad

[solid sun]

idk, everytime I see someone try feral they get way overwhelmed and end up giving up. Most of them refuse to play boomkin

[strong forum]

feral also doesnt farm youtube clips

[chilly brook]

and it would actually be okay on fury

[strong forum]

boomkin does

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

boomkin shows up everywhere

[frail ibex]

I wish I had it as fury

I loved it

[strong forum]

feral shows up nowhere, therefor feral bad

[slim dove]

Pugs would be SO much better off playing phys comp and not copying the meta comp where a single fuckup on beam or sigil is gg

[strong forum]

yes

[frail ibex]

I even kinda like it as prot but thats cause I was beating dps in p3 of gally

[strong forum]

cuz in phys comp dps arent squishy

you can vibe a lot more

[slim dove]

And you have 5 melee kicks

it's so nice

[strong forum]

its a lot less risky to play

[tight hinge]

and you exude masculine energy

[strong forum]

yep

its massively more manly

than "ohno guys my CDs bro"

[slim dove]

[strong forum]

"ohno i have to move and cancel my cast WAAAAAH"

"no tank noooooo my LoS NOOOOOOOO"

[slim dove]

You also get to play rogue or Hunter and get MD

[strong forum]

(you might be able to tell but im biased against casters)

[urban bane]

amen

[slim dove]

threat issues have inted so many keys for me playing Boomie it's big depresso

[south goblet]

yea but thats an every class with start of pull burst problem, that wont get fixed till blizz shifts tank dmg profile from our spenders back to out resource generatores like it was in dragonflight

[chilly brook]

new phys caster when?

[lime mantle]

Million dollar question MT looks better than colossus?
(this is important to me, I play dwarf)

[slim dove]

It's more rolling starfall and tier proccing mushrooms

You're supposed to spread moonfire as tank gathers, problem is if your tier decides to pop multiple mushrooms in a row, suddenly you have aggro on shit the tank didn't expect

[lusty grotto]

stupid nome hating on wizards

jk fuck em

[south goblet]

yes...so jsut like i said. Every dps with high frotn end burst has this issue becasue no tank has resource generators that do enough dmg to keep up

[slim dove]

you don't understand what I'm saying

[south goblet]

i do understand what you saying

[slim dove]

boomie doesn't choose if mushrooms proc or not

[south goblet]

and you have to wait

or risk the agrros pull

[slim dove]

You can't wait or your afk for the first 10 seconds of every pull spreading mf

[south goblet]

just like pally waits, just like warrior wairs

[slim dove]

you have to risk it and either meld on time

it's a problem because of the tier set, not actual class design

[chilly brook]

this sounds like boomkin propaganda

[slim dove]

[chilly brook]

boomkin opinions are rejected

can be the most broken class in the world and they still cry

[south goblet]

Oh no, poor little bommly has to hold dps till the tank plants just like half the other classes atm

mm hunter is in the same boat

[slim dove]

can mm not press md

[south goblet]

but through the WHOLE pull if there set procs

[slim dove]

or feign every 30seconds

meld is a DPS cd for boomie so it's not always up

[strong forum]

"i dont wanna go bearform"

guess you die then

[south goblet]

no, for the same reason as boomy, FD is a fat dps loss if you do it in the set proc window

[chilly brook]

yes both hunter and rogue can MD what's the point?

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/kfc-kentucky-fried-chicken-8pc-buckets-of-drums-and-thighs-8pc-bucket-gif-1021367529794278943

i guess ill be fried chicken

[chilly brook]

that all classes should have md?

[slim dove]

He brought up mm hunter as a spec that has to afk while tank gathers

so I asked if they can just MD

[south goblet]

no thats not what i said

[lusty grotto]

whats wrong with afking while the tank gathers

its what you should do

[south goblet]

i said if MM set EVER procs whey can and will pull agroo

[lusty grotto]

cause else you lose fucking dps blowing your load on 2-3 mobs

[chilly brook]

I mean no afk

but be aware that you shouldn't blow your load

[lusty grotto]

[slim dove]

spreading moonfire isn't "blowing your load"

[south goblet]

now read one like lower, i know you little boomy that just wants to spam monfire can do it

[lusty grotto]

so?

[bleak breach]

Is this even worth arguing in a Prot warrior chat lol

[lusty grotto]

i asked whats wrong with afking while tank gathers lol

[bleak breach]

Go argue in Druid discord

[lusty grotto]

not what should boomkins be doing

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/this-ukodor-fabled42-this-post-beard-gif-17164034

[slim dove]

Nah I'm just gonna drop it cuz the convo is pointless at this point

[tight hinge]

this is casino world thane

[chilly brook]

so let us assume that you as a boomkin just don't spend 3-4 globals while the tank is gathering

how badly is that going to actually kill your damage

[slim dove]

yeah so pretend ur afk for the first 5 seconds of every pull in a run and see how your overall looks

[chilly brook]

on a complete side note, I've never actually had a boomie pull threat off me anyways

[slim dove]

Go watch mdi/tgp, boomie was dying constantly to threat on pull

[bleak breach]

No neither, but better off waiting then dying.

[slim dove]

Because of mushroom procs

[chilly brook]

you mean

DH has spotty threat?

[chilly brook]

Also trust me I'm probably far more impacted than that by tanks not allowing restealths as sin rogue

[slim dove]

Probably but sin rogues aren't real

Spec outlaw bruv

[chilly brook]

I did

I enjoy it

Blizz doesn't like it though

[errant wagon]

should i be dooming or not on ptr changes

i've lost track of what is worth getting upset over

[chilly brook]

next season is not looking great for outlaw in either raid or m+

[strong forum]

thane = pog

colossus = slightly nerfed

thane is now MUCH more competetive again especially in m+

[errant wagon]

Think the changes have the potential to make Thane take an edge this season?

read my mind

well that's kinda cool i suppose

[finite harbor]

Clap go brrr?

[strong forum]

turbo charged claps

and decently high frequency of more claps

[frosty mango]

So many booms

[tight hinge]

just got a chain of 5 resets on thunder

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/costco-guys-five-big-booms-boom-gif-16319214973015367077

[shut summit]

[tight hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/casino-oldpeople-oldpeopleonslots-slots-vegas-gif-27586086

[errant wagon]

I wouldn't mind another thane season

thunderclap fun

[frosty mango]

Nome and sense are both pumped the prot stonks are high today

[strong forum]

ight calm down

i still aint playing s3

[solid sun]

@shut summit should wizards stop casting MF while I gather?

[frosty mango]

You are playing vicariously through us

[chilly brook]

wadu hek?

[south goblet]

Thane mught actually be the one tank spec that can hold vs fat DPS on pull dmg tbh

[frosty mango]

Like when obi wan died and then he was a force ghost

[strong forum]

im ripping and tearing through thousands of orokin/corpus/infested/murmur

at high speeds

[frosty mango]

Do you have a warframe discord

Are they as cool as us?

[solid sun]

Impossible

Look at us

[strong forum]

dunno im just doing my own thing mostly

[frosty mango]

You don’t need to answer

[solid sun]

Cool as cucumbers

[strong forum]

theorycrafting is fun in warframe

[frosty mango]

Return and take your place as the rightful king

[strong forum]

is just weird that warframe its the youtubers with the good builds

[frosty mango]

Wield your army of prot peasants like a thunderous sword against the droves of dh masses

[strong forum]

but gotta be careful cuz most builds are outdated within 2-3months

[nocturne spindle]

warframe is easy to theory craft cause everything just murders everything anyway

🙂

[frosty mango]

Fortunately in wow someone wrote a great guide

You should check it out

[strong forum]

anywhomst gotta bedge

o/

[solid sun]

what am i supposed to read

if you don't play s3

[nocturne spindle]

thane solo testing feels significaintly more squishy on pack pulls

[errant wagon]

nome, how big was the tier set for colossus?
Trying to understand if the colossus nerf is meaningful at all

[nocturne spindle]

compared to even nerfed colossus

[small steeple]

Big MT buff?

[errant wagon]

are you just doing the tank dummy?

[frosty mango]

Are you playing fbv?

[nocturne spindle]

no im solo pulling packs in a 14

well the same like 3 front packs in soleahs gambit

[small steeple]

Thane Enthusiast? oh my

[nocturne spindle]

i tried fbv and BV on thane

both felt way less tanky than colossus

[frosty mango]

Bv is the play

I think

[errant wagon]

That's not encouraging 😦

[frosty mango]

I dunno I did thane keys and it felt fine

I didn’t feel squishy at all

[warm plinth]

I don't really see why that would be the case. Nothing tankiness wise has changed has it? At least nothing that didn't change for both hero specs

[errant wagon]

The only thing you really get out of colossus is the 10% DR during the channel yea?

i mean that's the major thing anyways

[warm plinth]

yeah

which is 🤷

[errant wagon]

yee

[nocturne spindle]

i mean this is on big packs where FBV healing is still really good

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/lurking-creeping-hamster-what-you-guys-doing-sounds-fun-gif-16182914

[solid sun]

no nome, yes thane? this is horrific news

[lusty grotto]

wut

[solid sun]

They're trying to make Thane a thing

And Nome is leaving us for this season

[lusty grotto]

right

but im still around

c:

[solid sun]

You haven't been!

You've been lost in the sand dunes!

[lusty grotto]

yes but ill be back s3

also im fully aware of the thane tier buff

[small steeple]

nome is gone?

[frosty mango]

He’s here

[solid sun]

He’s not here here

[frosty mango]

But not currently a shield enjoyer

[solid sun]

He’s just here

[frosty mango]

Unless his giant robot can carry a shield

[strong forum]

I ain't going nowhere, just not actively playing the game lol

[finite harbor]

Is it FBV with thunderous roar and full bleed? Or is it gonna be champion spear with BV or some combo?

[small steeple]

🔮

[nocturne spindle]

this first pack on streets its just ass though lmao

so much magic damage

i think thane is way ahead on 5 target though

[strong forum]

BrV makes your Health move less
FbV makes your Health move more but you get the whole "healing" part

[warm plinth]

Are you just testing by yourself Weeshy?

[nocturne spindle]

yea

[warm plinth]

Because I think those mobs are random target

iirc

So those wouldn't all be going on you normally

[nocturne spindle]

no idea but probably

thanes a good 400k~ ahead on 5 target for me

like 7%ish

[frosty mango]

I’ll throw logs tonight

As well

[warm plinth]

Man you're strong

[frosty mango]

Well I am a giant

[warm plinth]

Are you?

Is your name Andre?

[frosty mango]

Close

[warm plinth]

Andrew?

[frosty mango]

I’m 6’5 without shoes so I qualify

[warm plinth]

[frosty mango]

Got a card and everything

“Certified giant”

[warm plinth]

😂

[nocturne spindle]

yea thane is def more dps but squishier on big pulls now

[bleak breach]

Interesting

Wonder what wins in ST

[nocturne spindle]

thane breakdown is fucking hilarious now though

[bleak breach]

Jeepers

[frosty mango]

Seems like no change to me

[nocturne spindle]

i had one singular cast of regular thunderclap in the pull

74.3% of trash damage is thunderclap

also it almost feels like fucking bear levels of rage

just macro IP to thunderclap type shit

[livid meteor]

We return to s1 spam level 😄

[lusty grotto]

ahem

NO

[warm plinth]

Why would you even speak that into life

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[warm plinth]

When someone comes in 2 months from now saying they macro'd IP to TC, I'm blaming Weeshy

[lusty grotto]

hes type shitting out of RWF time

[nocturne spindle]

look im just saying

[lusty grotto]

as you should

ghash

[nocturne spindle]

when like every other GCD is thunderblast

its alot of rage

lmao

[lusty grotto]

N

O

[nocturne spindle]

but yea as it stands

colossus is now the tanky spec

thane does more damage

time for ST testing

[lusty grotto]

NO

[nocturne spindle]

im not gonna do it im just gonna leave it there so you have to deal with the consequences

[lusty grotto]

you son of a ...

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-angry-scream-screaming-rodent-gif-26214325

[nocturne spindle]

hmm

what do i even drop for exe talents

raid build?

not crazy?

[frosty mango]

Is this thane or Colo

[bleak breach]

Are you not playing thunderlords in Thane?…

[finite harbor]

I want to confess that I have macroed IP to thunderclap and have had it so since the start of season 1.
Can I retroactively blame Weeshy?

[frosty mango]

For thane raid - Drop hunker down drop disrupting , swap out bsc imo and go down to thunderlord

Also swap to sudden death

Maybe figure out a way to get bloodsurge tho that may not be necessary

[nocturne spindle]

that was for colo

[bleak breach]

Not taking the extra block talent?

[nocturne spindle]

maybe not for raid

[bleak breach]

Interesting

[finite harbor]

If you are relying on sudden death anyway, is massacre needed then?

[frosty mango]

Yes

Execute is a large portion of your damage and being able to send it 10% sooner is a pretty big amount of them

[bleak breach]

Im probably not taking any of the execute talents in colossus

I’ll have to sim and see what it looks like though

[worthy lichen]

if theyre buffing thane they need to take a look at some of the terrible nodes

[bleak breach]

In fairness colossus has the crappy talent you just don’t use at all too

[nocturne spindle]

thane talents

2.26m on a 4 min mob in a key just for real execute range esque sake

[worthy lichen]

no execute cleave?

[frosty mango]

Gross

Execute cleave no thanks

[bleak breach]

Like 2.26mil ST?

[peak iron]

execute cleave should be baseline change my mind

[nocturne spindle]

yea

colo talents

1.88M single target

[bleak breach]

Seems okay, I guess in a key you don’t have lust and buffs etc?

[nocturne spindle]

yea

just me solo killing a coastwalker goliath in a 14

[bleak breach]

Colossus ST you should be running bloodborne

Can still play execute, but will get a lot more dps out of bloodborne

[nocturne spindle]

will try and see what diff is

[bleak breach]

Colossus will be purely FBV and bloodborne in all fights because of how tier works

[nocturne spindle]

idk about fbv on single target

[frigid plume]

i'm not even sure thunderlord is worth it on 1 target thane over bloodsurge tbh

[bleak breach]

Bloodsurge sucks

[frigid plume]

so does thunderlord but it taxes you an extra point

[nocturne spindle]

1.96 on colossus with bloodborne so

slightly better

thane way ahead though

also single target thane feels tankier than st colossus

[vague abyss]

oh god, still on break until the patch, but reading the PTR notes... they really did kill Spell Block 😢

this spellbreaker talent (4% chance to ignore magic dmg) is even worth picking? the proc chance is so low i cannot trust it, and i would still have to spend a CD on tankbusters anyways in case it doesnt procs?

[warm plinth]

It's 8% to reduce it by 50%, but no it's not worth picking.

[vague abyss]

oh really? it says 4% to 100% shrug, or i havent read it completely yet lol

[stiff gate]

It’s absolute dogshit but blizzard insists it’s a talent that should be good against consistent magic damage where it will average out, as if that was ever a things tanks are scared of instead of the “2x my hp bar unblockable nightmare” attacks they regularly feature as boss mechanics

[warm plinth]

Yeah it was changed in the next build I believe

[vague abyss]

uh, yeah still dogshit, i would rather use the talent point in something i can count on it. 8% is still way too low when you deal stuff that can 100-to-0 you without a cd

[mighty valley]

remember sarkareth dot

and how it was fucking bonkers that spell block worked on it

[warm plinth]

Well, it was made to work on it

It didn't at first

But we had no way of surviving a 30 second magic dot that frequently

[limpid tide]

4% dodge 🙏

[elder sentinel]

4% of the time it works every time 😉

[little axle]

It’ll balance out if enemies attacks only have a 4% chance of dealing damage 🤔

[nocturne spindle]

Guys

It's 8% now

Smh

[elder sentinel]

Frick, guess I’m dead now!

[ebon scaffold]

Soo are we dead boys?

[clever heart]

hey friends. how does a 671 Gally shield compare to 681 crafted shield ?
no need to be exact w/ sims. just curoius rough thoughts

[frigid plume]

if the literal only thing you care about is your single target parse then wear the gally shield, otherwise wear the crafted one

[clever heart]

(sick name btw. u like eragon or norse myths?)
kk cool ! so theyre actually pretty close. very nice

[nocturne spindle]

Naw

Gally thing is so weak the stats on a 681 would maybe make it close

But always do ilvl on shield

[clever heart]

ok so not close.
still, effects gotta be worth a few lvls of stats right ?

[nocturne spindle]

Offensively maybe a few

But defensively it's a huge loss

[frigid plume]

the cantrip is around half a percent damage increase on one target

[nocturne spindle]

I think 1 ilvl total is usually like a 1% dps increase

[clever heart]

awesome. thanks guys !
obvoiusly i can sim & know higher lvl = better. considering we'

we've just got a few weeks left, im fine with eway. ty

[lusty grotto]

crafted

the added amount from the cantrip effect is not worth the stat loss or block loss

its minimal at best

always ilvl > all on shields, it hasnt stopped being the case ever

5 target sim

st sim

top gear has myth track shield

[drifting surge]

I wonder if people tried capos knuckles as prot

[frosty mango]

man the gorgon bleeds in halls of atonement

that needs some omega nerfing

that was a 12

imo colossus still feels better

[silk kiln]

Good. Please push colossus. Fury doesn’t need strays

[frosty mango]

my log got corrupted somehow, rip

[shut summit]

i did a couple, still prefer colossus, might be thane in raid though, will see how it maffs out

[frosty mango]

did you do halls?

and if so did you need to kite the gorgon bear dudes

[shut summit]

we left after the first couple pulls, place sucks

[frosty mango]

so thats a yes, lol

[shut summit]

we pulled 6 and I didn't kite but died when the loyal beasts cast wasn't kicked

[frosty mango]

yeah thats exactly what happened to me

[shut summit]

they need to be nerfed but no matter how hard they are nerfed will be a problem

[frosty mango]

loyal went off and I just fell over

I think they lowered the duration because kiting it off didnt feel bad but I still left feedback that it needs to be tuned because imo being forced to kite is all is dumb and unintuitive

I tried it on a 16 and definitely required kiting loyal or not

[shut summit]

remove necrotic and cite it being unfun to kite, put back in a mob with bleed you hafta kite

[slender bison]

The last horrible kite was Uldaman lizard guys with giga damage on enrage. And the crocs

I think they said back then they want to avoid tank kiting

[frosty mango]

well maybe dont add mobs with an undispellable bleed that you cant mitigate with block then

4head blizz

[slender bison]

But you can parry them, no? The bleed applying hits

[kind glen]

i mean, blocking bleed kinda sounds unrealistic

gimme bandage spell

[frosty mango]

maybe? I have a shitload of parry (40%) and it didnt seem to matter

it stacked very quickly

[slender bison]

Same as Motherlode orc miniboss. Parry able

[frosty mango]

yeah except you have pulls with 3-5 of them

so the incidence is much higher

[slender bison]

Yeah

[frosty mango]

and on 16 it felt like even 5 stacks was sketchy

[slender bison]

To check if you can meld around that area

[urban bane]

why would they remove their bleed just to add another fer fooks sakes

[frosty mango]

12 felt like maybe 10-12 stacks was the limit but youre playing with fate if loyal goes off

[shut summit]

to remind us they hate us

[frosty mango]

well that entire dungeon is an exercise in warrior hatred

[urban bane]

[shut summit]

bolts don't target tanks only anymore

in halls at least

[frosty mango]

I got a lot of milage out of spell ref, 2% overall and thats not optimized

so that was a win I felt

[rough egret]

Brand is the new Tome? 🙂

[frosty mango]

Tome is the new tome I wager unless it’s nerfed

[rough egret]

I would love that best trinkets will be from M+ so I can actually get them

[lofty glen]

guess we will not heal as crazy as expected 😦

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-meme-shocked-pikachu-pokemon-gif-16898675

[pallid quiver]

I'm so shocked, I'm going to continue reading as if nothing of note came my way

[elfin ginkgo]

They just want ne to pay for a race change to dwarf

[hardy snow]

They really wants us to play Thane again

[blazing ridge]

No need to split anything, the warcraftlogsuploader will split them for you just fine

[sharp merlin]

Man I love the panic people have between seasons 😂

[round pendant]

well, blizz are notorious for making things less fun

and people want to keep having fun

[sharp merlin]

End of the day, unless you're pushing for R1 Keys or the Race to World 1st, you can pretty much play any tank

[autumn pawn]

I like thane but i doubt this change is enough to make it competetive for m+ in dmg. Demolish will prob always be the best in st scenarios?

[sharp merlin]

I know that opinion will make people angry, but we all know the first few weeks will be shit, Blizz will nerf things and everyone will be happy

[blazing ridge]

Thane might make it up with strong 35% cleave and being able to execute way more than col

35% execute sorry* execute cleave is probably not worht it

[hardy snow]

it all depends on tuning, so far they keep nerfing colo tier and buffing thane tier, we will see how it is at the end, they can still tune something

[frigid valley]

nothing matters atm, wait til post race

[blazing ridge]

gonna do some 5 Target Dummies cleave on ptr later

[sharp merlin]

Exactly!

[lofty glen]

panic is the wrong wording. more copium. i will play warry of it is S tier or F tier.... i played arms in season 1 XD

[sharp merlin]

But let’s be real, the first few weeks everything hits way too hard, blizz nerfs, good players get their keys done quick and pack it in. Bad players stick around, wait for more nerfs and mid season turbo boosts and fail upwards

[proven patio]

Anyone got the calculation about how much dmg reduction a block is currently ?

[jagged pier]

depending on block value of a sheild its like 30-40%

[proven patio]

Okay.

Thank you.

[mild river]

A nerf to our healing was expected. But the nerf to our 4 set was expected as well? We are pumping in PTR?

[blazing ridge]

Man I love playing with my friends but this just hurts

[jagged gust]

That shit is so typical it hurts

[sharp merlin]

Oof

You either play with friends who suck at the game or play with degens with no social skills or any redeeming qualities other than their ability to be good at the game

[lime mantle]

Tell them to use the one rotation 😔

[blazing ridge]

I mean sure the run wasnt clean, failed 1 mini boss skip (ToP) but still.. 7 deaths or what and we were 2:30 min over the Timer on a +14

[sharp merlin]

2:30 over.. damn, ToP is pretty free, even at 14

[blazing ridge]

On nearly every boss I was top dmg. Shrug.

[sharp merlin]

What kind of rogue?

[blazing ridge]

I always wonder If I maybe move around to much here and there or gather not fast enough but Idk.

Sin

[sharp merlin]

They should be topping dps on bosses, they have good funnel, right?

[blazing ridge]

Maybe need to mover better on mechanics so they have more uptime. Mmm

[sharp merlin]

Tbf there’s not a lot of mechanics to optimise

Just rethinking the dungeon in my head.. one boss is completely stationary.. otherwise there isn’t much you can do as a tank which would be trolling their dmg

[blazing ridge]

Sigh

[sharp merlin]

Do you mind if you send me the log? Totally up to you

[blazing ridge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/16Dmtd7WwBKLVhPr?fight=last&type=damage-done#

enjoy

Thing is, I still feel like I can still press better buttons so often.

[jagged pier]

[blazing ridge]

Its mindblowing

Yeah I know -_-

[jagged pier]

[blazing ridge]

I have better runs with better Shield Block Up

sometimes I get cocky at the end of pulls and not reuse it, bad habbit probably

Still my first season of prot warr, looking forward to next season being at the front from day 1 xd

[rough egret]

Brew 12 i did yesterday with pug group, felt like god 😄 but im probably not, sometimes i still panic and ruin my sb uptime

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g4dRBjpDAHTCJNLz?fight=11&type=summary

[ionic nimbus]

When you play with minions like kevin and Stuart, this results in godmode feelings.. yikes

[blazing ridge]

Helped some of their low ilvl toons through some 10s. Honestly at this point these dungeons feel like delves lmao

[stone ice]

how close to patch release until dooming in reacting to patchnotes is no longer irresponsible doomerism

[blazing ridge]

We dont doom we only zug zug

[elfin elk]

Is the mythic Gally tank trinket a reasonable buy? I've already got Eye and jastors so it's between that and the shield

Mainly looking at early prog next tier

[brittle epoch]

So you Call them friends but blaming their plays in a discord with 150k members?
Sorry, im a bit confused why ppl do something like that.

[stone ice]

honestly, unless the trinket gives a gigantic shield on use and there is an early prog boss that might onebang you, i typically see tanks play with stat trinkets anyway

btw, idk if sims are already updated, but does the re-design to thane 4set slowly approach making it good or is thane still a joke?

(in 11.2, i know its very playable right now)

like i know its a huge buff... but "how" huge

[stone ice]

yeah but pog generally, or pog in relation to what it was before ^^

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-family-feud-canada-oh-dear-gif-8960265668144084376

[stone ice]

thane being good would help a bit with the dungeons where having unlimited rage to press IP might come in very handy ^^

[jagged gust]

thane gets to spec into Tough as Nails

automatically meta

[idle copper]

Pogs good or /s bad?

[stone ice]

was tough as nails the damage reflection one? that WOULD be funny. Finally the age old issue of maintaining aggro on mobs which are already grouped up that im cleaving is solved 😛

[jagged gust]

have you read the new tough as nails?

its kinda bonkers

[elfin elk]

You make a good point, i'm swapping from DPS to tank so I was considering it to cover any catastrophic fuckups on my end. Ty for the insight

[stone ice]

did they buff its damage AFTER they released the new talent tree? ive heared people be not too impressed but that might have been because they would have to go down a talent branch that colossus at the time didnt want to go down

so their "meh" could be colored by it costing them like, 3+ talent points

[jagged gust]

It definitely was, only MT can reasonably take it, and MT damage was utter dookie

But it's damage is the same as a base revenge

with no ICD

[blazing ridge]

Who says I am only blaming them here? I tell them they need to step and they know it. Its still all fun and games

[stone ice]

thats sick

so MT gets to take its own version of juiced bleeds, thats neat

fully stacked demolish is cool and all but i always "personally" preferred the "infinite rage and thunderclap is actually good damage and snap aggro" playstyle of thane. if thane is good im happy

[jagged gust]

yep, plus it has a threat modifier on it

once something hits you, you'll never lose aggro

[stone ice]

yeah, thats neat, though, its not like you were loosing aggro to stuff that was already grouped and hitting you before unless your dps were deliberatly trying to commit suicide

[jagged gust]

I run with a bunch of goobers

it's definitely for their benefit lol

[stone ice]

taunt a mob as dps occasionally to gaslight the tank into doing more damage, smart, smart

[jagged gust]

my MW will constantly pull threat off me exactly like that just to see if he can outheal the damage

goobers all of them

[stone ice]

i wonder how the thane buff works out for fury. unfortunatly its still 5target hardcapped so will never actually be mta in m+, and the beauty of having a tank spec is not really having to care about dps meta for getting your keys done, but still curious