protection

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

[fathom meteor]

Trueee

[narrow ether]

surely will be good

[blazing condor]

Double xp and no fall damage is nice tho

I remember kid me hated leveling so i race changed for that reason when MoP launched. Never switched back

[blazing ridge]

You tell me Roid, I carry my friends like this every dungeon.

[forest swallow]

what effect on the D.I.S.C. do you guys use?

[blazing condor]

Also double food buff!!!!

[indigo hawk]

Crit or hasté but just SIM it

[frosty wave]

I had a question regarding talents
Is the build for priory without ravager can be suited for any key ?

[ionic fern]

What build?

Without Ravager,so I assume it's taking BSV? If so,you can use it wherever if you feel like you need BSV.

[frosty wave]

What is BSV ?

Ah cheat death

BSV can be sacrficied ?

[ionic fern]

BSV is not needed in most key levels.

[blazing condor]

Does bsv work properly now

[drifting surge]

Brew

About to roll a Kul Tiran Prot chad

[sharp gale]

The play is to play what is the coolest

Kul Tiran doesn’t fit

[drifting surge]

This shit cool BIG BELLY

[drifting surge]

I think it fits

[ionic fern]

You need a brawler mog for tiran's.

Not a "knight" one.

[drifting surge]

I gotu

Quick remog

[sharp merlin]

hahahahaha

[ionic fern]

Cursed.

[drifting surge]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-touching-boobs-big-boobs-man-boobs-gif-15333616

[frosty wave]

Really ?
So if I don't want ravager and remove BSV

Best served cold ?

[jagged gust]

battering ram

[blazing ridge]

Wonder if this would be viable, dropping a lot of stuff for Execute Nodes, but might be fun. Wish Execute would give Colossal Might Stack lol

[ionic fern]

Everything can be viable.

[jagged gust]

If you want a parse build I'd drop shout for best served cold

[ionic fern]

Bsc kinda garbage.

[drifting surge]

Why my shield block shield slam macro no longer work

[blazing condor]

You could probably make a cool gladiator style kul tiran mog

Like those ogres

[blazing ridge]

Any1 good suggestions for nice looking one hand weapon thats reddish/black?

[drifting surge]

Or just have the belly out

[ionic fern]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=113980/iron-soldiers-saber?bonus=9077#modelviewer

The one and only.

[blazing condor]

That ones blue

Nvm

[blazing ridge]

Mhm looks good

[hardy snow]

are there any ptr logs from raid tests? when Im googling "warcraft logs ptr" it gives me retail page of guild named PTR

[hidden linden]

Scroll down the homepage, there's a section for Manaforge Omega

[frigid valley]

soon there boys

[sweet summit]

illness

[tribal wharf]

don't forget in any of the retail talent trees you can type in "frostbolt" and it should show everything that mentions frostbolt

[frosty mango]

IMO aoe execute not worth

[dusky canopy]

Who hurt you friend

[frosty mango]

I plan to math it this weekend but at some point revenge will overtake execute when > 3 targets and aoe execute is frantic gameplay that is hard to optimize

You are constantly target swapping in trash pulls and it’s cumbersome

[frosty wave]

TOP PSF BREW to time and get resi 15 by the end of the season

#believe

[frosty wave]

If you want block on a spell I would suggest it on clap not slam

[dusky canopy]

Just get a friend with resil 16s

It’s that ez

[frosty wave]

I have a friend arms resi 17

tried to push for 18 as pug

[blazing ridge]

Maybe you right Roid, fuck AoE Execute just go Hunker Down I guess

[frosty wave]

dropped of push

[dusky canopy]

I played with the talent tree a lot while stuck bored at work

It’s really hard to take execute cleave

That’s pretty much going to be in a cleave raid build I’d imagine

Or farm keys

[frosty mango]

It may end up being that it’s more damage on paper but not in reality?

[urban portal]

Wait codex is coming back?

Oh no

[frosty mango]

Last cycle I tried to test it but it’s just so….painful

Like you’re constantly target cycling to low health targets and then if you’re chain pulling you’ll have execute targets up but you gotta revenge because you need consistent aoe threat - plus the pull size meta you almost always have 6-8 targets in a pull, so does 3 target execute outweigh a full stack 8 target revenge with soft capping?

Lots of things to consider

[warm plinth]

and not the good codex

[warm plinth]

Not to mention you won't get colossal might stacks from execute. I think heavy handed is gonna be for 2 target cleave personally

If anything

[blazing ridge]

Ne CM stacks hurt

Ye*

No

The 35% Execute Range and Red Hand might be good though

But in the end not reseting your Demolish, so might be shitty too..

[frosty wave]

Is Show of force that shitty ?

[slender bison]

It's good on MT. You use Revenge to snip SS resets anyway

[karmic plinth]

you just take it on colo for the revenge damage

[frosty wave]

Mostly running this on 15s

all of them except when I need huge magic dr

[frosty mango]

are there any addons that get rid of this nonsense

premade group filter worked fine for years now it doesnt

[drifting surge]

Naa always ran it on shield slam, had always good uptime especially back in freehold 22+ keys

It's working now just low level

I just cba with buttons

[frosty wave]

How much uptime ?

[drifting surge]

would have to check logs

[drifting surge]

95%

[dusky canopy]

I report every single one of them bastards they are so annoying!

[frosty mango]

age < 5 and members > 1 this filter in PMGF seems to work

[sweet summit]

age < 5

[dusky canopy]

Good thinking members > 1 probably would suffice

[drifting surge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[dusky canopy]

Gotta love filter lingo

[sweet summit]

is that supposed to be time

[dusky canopy]

Yes that’s the amount of time a group has been listed

It’s simplified to “age” in the lingo

Afaik anyway

[sweet summit]

[dull relic]

get them 5 year old advertiser bots outta lfg breh

Put them mfs in preschool

[pallid quiver]

we're kidnapping children or what?

[sweet summit]

speak for yourself

[pallid quiver]

I mean I'm down, gotta make money somehow, but didn't think Skyhold was where I was gonna get my trafficking money from

[dusky canopy]

Negative ghost rider

[warm plinth]

Hi @sweet summit qt

[dusky canopy]

||Delete pedos|| as in humanely as possible

[dusky canopy]

🛑

[sweet summit]

very american of you brew

[dusky canopy]

I know I’m okay with that

[sweet summit]

hey honey :3

[pallid quiver]

i can't believe brew hates providing a labor force

[dusky canopy]

Where’s yogi when you need him to spam doom conversation

[frosty mango]

It’s official no war main next tier rip

Now the question is do I double down for m+ and brew or do I split

[dusky canopy]

Stay warrior always!

[west snow]

Oof

[solid sun]

Do you even main warrior now, Roid

[frosty mango]

Yes this tier I had two mains

But I did raid on war

Next tier im back to CE raiding which means I can’t get away with only doing 4 keys a week early on my “main”

People hate tanking keys so I’m sure I’ll be tanking them

If you go by ilvl I have 5 mains?

If I had my way I would play war and only war

But I’m convinced once you are pegged as a moderately competent healer you can never escape it’d especially in raid

[solid sun]

I gotcha

I won’t be doing mythic raiding but we did resi 14s this season and next season we will try to go higher

I’ll either go pwar or brew

Or bear

[frosty mango]

I don’t have a m+ dedicated group, I would probably try for title if I did

I usually aim for 3k first/second week and then one tier every two weeks

[solid sun]

I go for KSM week 1

Then usually whatever happens, happens

[frosty mango]

Whenever I go really hard early I always feel like I burn out

Especially pugging

[solid sun]

You can join me for keys on your not tank characters if you end up having any

[sharp gale]

That’s what I did (but every week is 1 key lvl) and started when we killed stix, no longer 2 char to maintain

I did wow / games burnout before, it is to prevent this

[true yoke]

why should i replace this on IP and not in SS

?

[hushed cobalt]

You always want to shield slam, whereas you won't always want to IP. (Is how I see it)

[dusky canopy]

The purpose of adding shieldslam to your ignorepain keybind is because sometimes you will be moving your finger to press the ignorepain bind and a shield slam reset will proc and most normal humans won’t react to pressing it instantly, so the macro will use up the free proc in that scenario

Requires less brain power

[frigid valley]

big brain is ogcd stuff on mouse

[dusky canopy]

Still want to have a seperate shield slam bind on its own that you press regularly

[mighty valley]

if you used IP every single time you shield slammed, you'd drain yourself of rage very quickly, and you need to make sure you have some in reserve to be able to press revenge when other buttons aren't available

[true yoke]

got it, ty all guys

[undone beacon]

haha pegged

sorry

thats my one contribution for the day

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-really-whatever-gif-14650407

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-missile-explosion-kitten-baby-gif-12020335096465661960

[dense crater]

Fury war going prot next season. Looking for a good youtuber/video that explains prot.

I've only ever tanked a few random keys the past two seasons, like 10/11s. Did those fine by yoloing and knowing nothing, but now its time to actually learn.

Ty ❤️

[neon elk]

Just yolo harder

[jagged pier]

not really that sort of content out there tbh

wowhead and icy veins are the place for guides

[urban portal]

A lot of tanking is knowing the dungeon

The spec itself is fairly straight forward

And that’s true for most tanks

[dense crater]

OK so I probably already know enough just from zugging it lol.

[urban portal]

You can watch some folks in higher keys and see when they send cooldowns

[dense crater]

Yeah idk any of the normal prot wars

[solid sun]

If you encounter a boss you fail at you can ask here for tips

[frigid valley]

if you know the dungeon and can press thunderclap and shieldblock ur prob better off than 95% of the players

[solid sun]

Sense, Pika, Roid, Jakey, Nimchip, Nomeratur, Griff, and Happy have probably given me the most helpful tips here so far

But there’s a lot of contribution

Nomeratur handles our wowhead guide and Pika streams. I think Sense might have videos? I can’t remember

But sometimes Pika plays dirty ass vdh on stream and it’s disgusting so ymmv

[dense crater]

Ty appreciate it. Just looking to gain some confidence with it before the next season. 0 experience with colossus and I guess the only part that has felt weird was min maxing IP and hitting my defensives more.

Not that I ever died.....but I just....felt I should have been hitting shield wall more than I was....and got caught out with IP sometimes.

[urban portal]

Have you tanked on other specs?

[dense crater]

No >.<

I was a healer for 15 years in mmos turned fury war at start of DF.

[deep steppe]

I really enjoy watching Sense. its youtube /sense_nurfed. He just uploads his gameplay, so while he wont explain things really, I think his UI is easy enough to see that you can figure out how he does it.

[dense crater]

Like idk how prot war does so much dmg. Like id never die and I would tank big and fast, bc I can't stand going slow......

But my dmg would never be as good as prot wars in my group or I see on YouTube. Idk if its bc id do thane or bc I am doing something wrong....chalked it up to ive never looked shit up and prob am missing something important lol.

Why I was looking for maybe a helpful video xD

[solid sun]

Thane isn’t going to touch colossus in m+ when it comes to damage this season.

[mighty valley]

Sounds like you might be overpressing IP, we just do big damage by pressing CDs on CD, shield slam whenever it's up, and making sure you can press something every gcd, which sometimes means banking a bit of rage

[solid sun]

Colossus presses a lot of revenge

Also one of the pitfalls imo when it comes to comparing yourself to streamers or YouTubers is that most of us don’t have access to the same players they do

[dense crater]

Yeah colossus wasn't as easy without looking up anything for my fury war brain. So thats one bit.

Its possible ive overcompensated with IP now. At first my healers told me I didn't hit it enough, so maybe I now hit it too much out of fear lol.

[solid sun]

Not only am I less skilled than Sense or Yoda or Dorki, as examples, but also the people I game with are far less skilled than their companions

[mighty valley]

If your healers haven't played prot warrior, don't listen to them lol

lotta misconceptions around how we work

[normal rampart]

I know I hit IP way too much too

If you set a weak aura to show your IP stacks (which is just how % full it is)

You’ll see you fill it up way to much and refresh it when it’s still like 80% full

And should revenge instead

I’m trying to build the muscle memory of spamming revenge more that ip now too

[mighty valley]

In like 95% of scenarios you can just reduce the decision making to "rage high? like above 70? press IP"

[solid sun]

^

We don’t care about the ip itself most of the time

[dense crater]

Yeah the healer told me I was hitting revenge too much

[solid sun]

We care about our rage

We don’t even care about ip uptime really

Just rage dump

[dense crater]

So.....I just stopped hitting revenge as much. Figured it was me playing too similar to, at the time, my only prior experience being tanking as a war in classic content.

[normal rampart]

Maybe if you’re thane then revenge has less value then TC? I don’t know

[solid sun]

When you become a tank

[mighty valley]

That healer isn't your friend any more

We're your friends now

[solid sun]

Everyone else’s opinions become less important

[dense crater]

Lololol ty ty for the info so far

[solid sun]

And our opinions become paramount

[dense crater]

Appreciate it

[normal rampart]

😊

[solid sun]

You’re safe now

[dense crater]

Lolol

[mighty valley]

Revenge is the lowest prio rotational button for thane but you still do wanna make sure you can press it when everything else is on cd

[solid sun]

Well I said you’re safe

You may not be - Harrow burned his house down grilling delicious meats

Still iffy on that one

[dense crater]

👀

[frosty mango]

He’s not even joking

This is real

[mighty valley]

Well

The two events weren't connected

[frosty mango]

“Connected”

[mighty valley]

But I did grill delicious meats and separately my house did burn down

[frosty mango]

Did you get your insurance pay out yet

[mighty valley]

We actually just got our first big fat check yesterday

Gotta get the house building process going to get more

[dense crater]

So did you burn your house down for nothing.....? I understood if it was in the pursuit of delicious meats.

[mighty valley]

Yeah, honestly there was no silver lining

Just boring old natural disaster

[dense crater]

Oof. Rough. Im sorry. Boring is the worst part of that.

I have a prot war question. Its the thing that has stressed me out the most and I have no idea how good prot wars handle it co nfidently.

Priory and dungeons like it where there are a billion adds that sit at range shooting and jumping all over.

What am I expected to do? Assume pug and limited helpfulness from rest of group.

[frosty mango]

Chances are we don’t

[frosty mango]

Nothing

[dense crater]

💀

[jagged pier]

those mobs jump on players

so u ither all loss

or all stack

[frosty mango]

Get initial aggro, stack up where you should and the rest of the group should stack

And if they don’t it’s not a you problem

[dense crater]

i see. So I'm just taking that stress on for no reason.

[frosty mango]

Tanking is a lot less stressful once you realize m+’is a team based event and you can only control what you can control. At some point other players need to also be accountable for the success of a pull

The majority of your responsibility is positioning, pacing and routing which is just learned, aside from that once you can reliably gather mobs and use defensives properly you really have very few other unique responsibility

[mighty valley]

Sometimes things just get worse if you start trying to charge around picking up stragglers

[dense crater]

i am guilty of doing this

out of stress

[mighty valley]

Appreciate that btw

[frosty mango]

Unless I know I can reliably save a mistake from another player I don’t deviate from what I’m doing, like if my kick is on cooldown and fireball volley is going off your initial inclination is to panic but really you have one option which is stun

So you send and if it’s on Dr and the cast is gonna go off just accept it

Watch them all die and then go again

Ime keeping mobs still leads to the best outcome for stragglers

[dense crater]

im really confident in kicks and stops and pace. Pathing......i just need to watch PTR videos now vs learning as fury war once season starts

It's mostly the stragglers/ranged + knowing when to use defensives / IP reqs.

[frosty mango]

For the most part it will be apparent when you need to send defensives because you’ll be dead

And then next time you’ll know

[neon elk]

Might sound stupid but best way to learn tanking is trial and error to me

[dense crater]

lolol true. i tend to feel bad sending it i guess, even though everyone tells me to. sometimes you gotta go brick some keys to learn.....but i always felt self conscious about that responsibility

not very war of me huh xD not sending it lol

[frosty mango]

We have all bricked hundreds of keys to learn on a season start

It’s absolutely normal despite what most pugs may have you think

[neon elk]

What works ror group A might not work for group B , u might lack dmg , kicks etc , there are some fundamentals when to do what , but it mostly boils down to practice

[frosty mango]

I can’t tell you the number of floodgates I bricked at high levels while trying to sort out how to effectively make a large first pull while keeping aggro and not getting hit in the back

Dozens

[dense crater]

think i sat through at least 8 keys my BDK friend bricked testing diff first pulls lol. some being fucked due to no lust, as margins were that tight.

ill get the confidence, ty ty

[frosty mango]

Just remember if anyone complains they’re free to roll a tank too

And take comfort in the fact that you’ll have a another group in 8 seconds

[dusky canopy]

My MM friend was saying we should be clearing the first room of CB in 5-6 minutes on a 17

That seems insane to me

(I was arms, not Prot)

[mortal cypress]

I mean it's just like my friend Amir always says

[solid sun]

I think more people need to embrace this tbh

Sometimes getting better at dungeons is trial and error

It’s unfortunate when that leads to a wipe or a failed key but next time you’ll be better equipped and that’s okay

[frosty mango]

Getting better at anything is trial and error

[undone beacon]

Bricking keys is part of the game. Wouldnt be satisfying if it was impossible to fail

[frosty mango]

My philosophy (not just in wow) is that anyone can learn any skill. Literally anyone can learn to do anything very well. It’s passion and commitment (willpower) that drive you actually getting there

If you have the drive to do it and commit to doing it, you can do it

No matter what it is

And you just gotta accept you’re gonna fuck it up a zillion times while you learn

[solid sun]

And avoid fucking up the same way

[frosty mango]

Well yes that’s the learning part lol

[solid sun]

A lot of people just keep doing the same thing that isn’t working and then act surprised or like everyone else is the issue

[frosty mango]

When I hire people I do not care what their background is, I care if they have passion and they’ve demonstrated a commitment to learning

I hire random ass people for shit all the time who are not “qualified” and for 20 years this approach has given me nothing but success

[undone beacon]

Hire me roid i can be trusted

[frosty mango]

Hey if you can pass a polygraph and a detailed background check why not?

[undone beacon]

only crime ive ever committed is being too damn sexy (and curfew violations as a minor)

[frosty mango]

Uncle Sam isnt really big on hiring right now

They’re pretty firmly on the firing train

[undone beacon]

Yep. Trust me, still hunting. I've got three different roles im in the interview process for but christ almighty is it a slog

[frosty mango]

You’re missing the one secret ingredient

[undone beacon]

Do tell

[frosty mango]

Nepotism

[undone beacon]

I mean, i wish you were wrong

[frosty mango]

I’m not

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[undone beacon]

The channel manager at one of my partner companies got fired recently because she hired her stepson to her team without disclosing it to the company

Was pretty epic

[mighty valley]

we all agree that nepotism is bad and wrong. also all hiring runs on nepotism

[solid sun]

If you want to learn plumbing I’ll hire you

[undone beacon]

Nepotism? Cronyism? Terrible. Horrible. Keep it up though cuz it works or something

[solid sun]

You probably won’t enjoy some of our tasks and it isn’t glamorous but it pays real life money

[undone beacon]

Aint nothing wrong with that

[frosty mango]

I’d scrub toilets with a toothbrush if I was paid

A job is just a means to earn

You don’t need to enjoy it, lol

[undone beacon]

But Rooooid, if you love your job youll never work a day in your liiiife

[dusky canopy]

Plumbers make damn good money

[solid sun]

They can

[frosty mango]

I enjoy my job and I can assure that is not true lol

[dusky canopy]

I went for machinist world my brother went for plumbing

My brother makes a reasonable amount more

I’d say the skill/knowledge required is fairly comparable

[solid sun]

Lots of people I submit bids to say no thanks and hire handymen instead

[frosty mango]

Plumbers work very hard though

[undone beacon]

I went into cybersecurity because i was told there was a skill deficit and then i graduate and nobody is hiring

Now I'm in tech sales

[frosty mango]

I just built a niche

I have a wierd but highly valuable combination of skills

[solid sun]

Are you NA, Pash

[undone beacon]

Yeah, DMV area

[frosty mango]

Are you in the d the m or the v

[undone beacon]

See I have a background in both cybersecurity and psychology but hiring managers didn't give a shit

[undone beacon]

Northern Virginia specifically, south of DC

Near all the fed nerds

[frosty mango]

I’m down there a lot

Ashburn, Arlington, chantilly, Herndon

[undone beacon]

Yep. My company is based out of Reston, spend a lot of time there in the Loudon/Fairfax areas

[frosty mango]

I strategically live 102 miles from dc which is just far enough to be considered “not local”

But close enough to drive in when I want

[solid sun]

Ummmm I might know someone that’s a team lead for a cybersecurity company

I could see if they are hiring and don’t mind someone working from home

[dense crater]

born and raised in the fairfax area. no longer there now but how is it these days lol?

[frosty mango]

Expensive is the word that comes to mind since whenever I’m there lunch cost me 40’dollars

[undone beacon]

102 miles out is still a schlep, im ~50 and its a pain in the ass with the beltway as it is

[dense crater]

lol

[undone beacon]

Can confirm, so goddamn expensive

Cost of living is through the roof

[frosty mango]

I’ll usually drive down at 4am and then expense hotel, leave the next day at 4am

Skip the beltway nonsense

[undone beacon]

Thats fair, yeah

[undone beacon]

I mean hey, I'll never say no to a connection

[solid sun]

I actually love waking up very early and hitting the road

[frosty mango]

Pash is great at selling things he’s been selling guardian Druid to warriors forever

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-gif-13623618

[solid sun]

lol

If I score Pash a job opportunity and they get themselves hired, I believe that makes us the greatest tank duo to never compete in the RWF or mdi

[rough egret]

Hey, whats better to drop for BSV? Ravager or Battering Ram?

[chilly brook]

your choice

doesn't seem to matter either way

sometimes I prefer ravager sometimes BR, depends on dungeon

[frosty mango]

If you’re at the level where you need bsv you’ll probably “miss” battering ram less because of ravager gather but the dps change is similar

[rough egret]

Thank you

[undone beacon]

hell yeah

[frosty mango]

Found @undone beacon Reddit account

[undone beacon]

I literally saw that post the other day and was geeked

High quality shit posting

[elfin ginkgo]

What happened to my prot discord

[mild river]

Ikr? Haha

[jagged gust]

Just wait until the fotm rerollers start to show up

You'll miss the good ol' days

[torn gulch]

i still don't believe we ll escape

nerfs

after spell block is time for shield wall to go as well

[raw parcel]

Been taking a long break, I come back and see they removed spell reflect?

Block*

[mighty valley]

yep

then they nerfed all of the magic tankbusters

we'll be alright

[dusky canopy]

Indirectly making other tanks stronger

[blazing ridge]

Played a bit Brew, I don't like the rotation at all, feels so stiff idk.

Prot Warrior is just zug zug

So good

Next season still so far

[frosty mango]

im trying to get better with brew

im decent

but not great

understanding how far into red stagger I can go before I need to purify is not intuitive at all

[blazing ridge]

Sometimes it feels like BDK

Where I plummet down and back up again

[frosty mango]

I have the normalized stagger WA and it makes sense to me in theory but sometimes I'll be fine

and then all of a sudden get blasted

so then I purify and celestial

thats been kinda working so far

[blazing ridge]

The initial gather is just such a pain

But yeah probably skill issues

How many stack should I soak at the 2nd priory boss

I mean I try to take 2 stacks but all dps just look while the timer ticks down

+14

But I feel that 3 stacks would rip me fast

[south goblet]

prot kinda feels that way in ptr atm. you feel great 90% of the time. Then that 10% hits and its like wtf just happened

[naive panther]

I haven't tried brew in high keys, but I spent an afternoon gearing him and doing 12s, and I improved 300% in that afternoon. Not getting clapped so bad, and doing the rotation much better, and figuring out how to deal with stuff. Hopefully warrior is good enough, but still planning on playing a bunch of stuff at start of season.

[runic granite]

Definitely going to keep options open for the first week or two, but prot looking really good

[south goblet]

i feel like there gunna cap the regen from deep wounds on ptr before release

[restive oak]

yeah its probably overtuned

[austere ginkgo]

With access to Demolish, do you think Protection is actually pretty close to the DPS specs on time to kill for open world content and delves? Since you can burst mobs down pretty regularly?

[restive oak]

yeah

[jagged gust]

most mobs live 1-2 GCDs in open world for me as prot

[restive oak]

pretty much, just smash your keyboard, it will die

[jagged gust]

delves especially so, just gather the entire dungeon and spam them down in a single pull, or however many the delve will let you do at once

[austere ginkgo]

Good to know. I was running Fury for the xpac before now for the speed, but if I can get tank queue times and survivability without a major loss in kill times I think I'd prefer it.

[jagged gust]

Fury in an 11 still feels like you're on deaths door the entire time you do a big pull, prot is cozy doing even bigger pulls

[restive oak]

dont play fury, they will just nerf the cap to 3

[austere ginkgo]

The cap?

[mighty valley]

You can also just run around and pull everything on screen and kill it together as tank specs

[frosty mango]

I dunno I always feel like fury is pretty tanky

You have a lot of leech and enraged regen and bloodthirst

[warm plinth]

Everything is tanky in world content

Except bm hunter pets because what did they do to those poor fellas

[frosty mango]

I meant in keys

[warm plinth]

I look away for 2 seconds and y'all go from world content to keys smh

WAit I'm super confused now

[frosty mango]

No we were just talking about it in the colors you can’t see

[warm plinth]

Why is he talking about doing big pulls in an 11 on fury

when they pull you out of bed to go adventuring

[normal rampart]

Delve 11

[warm plinth]

Oh

I knew that

[normal rampart]

Also yea, it’s rough, that’s what I main for guild and the pets are almost non existent how much they die

[warm plinth]

I did a t11 delve with a friend who was also on a dps and we spawned Underpin and my pet died like 5 times fighting it

[lusty grotto]

it died

i tanked it

but they arent doing 1ab

so my raiding is done for this season

they want to do mugzee instead

now for the search of next season's guild

[austere ginkgo]

What

[frosty mango]

oab is basically free now

mugzee is insanely hard

lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah they are under the impression that mugzee is "easier"

which was strange

because i havent heard such a thing

check dms roid

[frosty mango]

I checked my DMs

[sharp gale]

For a sec I thought you were a gorilla

[warm plinth]

Maybe I am

[sharp gale]

Who knows, I have a pet gorilla on my hunt which have same kinda grey beard

[warm plinth]

I use two bees and the glyph of dire bees so all my dire beasts are also bees

And I named my main bee pet Anaphylaxis

[hushed cobalt]

Coincidentally bee stings are why I have 2 epipens at the ready

[warm plinth]

You wanna pvp?

I kid I kid

[austere ginkgo]

Is the effect of Reactive Web shield worth losing the stats?

[frosty mango]

no

[austere ginkgo]

👍

[frosty mango]

its so terrible I'd honestly not wear it even if it had stats

thats hyperbole but just to illustrate the proc doesnt do much

[rough egret]

is it recomend to run Arterial Bleed when playing with FbV?

i mean it makes sense

also Instigate vs Bloodsurge

do you change them based on dungeon?

[jagged gust]

not something you need to track so long as you're following the rotation

[jagged gust]

bloodsurge can find value in high mob target dungeons like meadery and instigate has more ST/low mob count value, you can swap them to min/max but it's a minute diff.

Arterial Bleed would obviously scale better with FBV, but I think testing puts BV higher in most cases, regardless the difference is again quite negligible and it's pretty rare you'd see Arterial Bleed taken over One Against Many in the first place outside of maybe TOP

[rough egret]

thank you for the answer

[rigid schooner]

curious about something, what is the effective reason demolish is now played over mountain in like 90% of the time?

[sharp gale]

More dmg, and it survives

[rigid schooner]

fair, did a 12 with mountain and felt the ignore pain difference pretty roughly lmao

[blazing ridge]

Nah you don't except for maybe a boss here and there you shouldn't notice a difference.

Pretty unlikely for you to die to trash mobs in general

Its a misconception I had to when switching from MT to Col, but in the end it doesn't really matter.

You still get enough rage to maintain atleast a small amount of IP

As long as you hit your Shield Slam as soon as possible after getting ready

[oak ivy]

I rage starved the hell out of myself when i first started playing colossus cuz im a silly and infinite prioritized revenge

IP uptime was tragic

[frosty mango]

As it should be

You only need to use ip if you’re overcapping rage or you actively need to use it to live, which isn’t really until higher key levels on specific bosses and trash (mainly bleeds, rot)

For the most part you will spend almost all of your rage on revenge and your natural flow of rage will have you hitting ip intermittently not excessively

[solid sun]

I was gonna say something, but I figured if I waited long enough someone better at talking about it would chime in. My faith has been rewarded

[frosty mango]

IP isn’t our primary mitigation tool, shield block is. Just like you’re not spamming frenzied regen on a Druid, wog on a pally, expel harm on a monk - you’re not spamming ip on war

[frosty mango]

My initial response was “rage is for damage healers better get to work” so you should have faith in yourself

[solid sun]

Hahahahahaha

I was gonna say “I have no idea what my ip uptime is because we don’t care about it” but I was concerned it might come across too argumentative

I haven’t had any coffee this morning so speaking is real iffy

[dusky canopy]

27 attempts for gmod 😄

finally

[undone beacon]

Grats!

I’m at well over 50 attempts on the Sanctum of Domination horse, kill me

[dusky canopy]

[neon elk]

Damn , were u doing ful runs or just lfr for jaina?

[dusky canopy]

i did up to meka tork on N H M and lfr jaina on 6 toons

after reset i got it on main after doing M H and then finally N it dropped

[neon elk]

Thats hella quite some runs ngl, gz

[dusky canopy]

took some effort but we got it

now to do ulduar and tempest keep on all 6 80s x)

woohoooooo

so far main did ulduar and TK

no luck

5 to go

anybody else have EXP with razer naga hyperspeed? this damn thing stutters constantly and its driving me nuts

even ordered a new one

still does it

[undone beacon]

I ran blackrock foundry 10 times, then learned there was a skip quest, did it 4 more times, got the mount the same run I finished unlocking the skip

[neon elk]

Ive did Kt for alar like 30 times since event , so tired of that damn rp , but got invincible on like 3rd run

[jagged gust]

Ashes probably the only mount I've ever wanted

Not enough to farm TK

But still prettier than most mounts

[drifting surge]

Colossus pretty cool tbh, not played prot since DF

[tulip pumice]

boys do we have any guides or info for trinkets next season, or are we stuck with sacbrood and something defensive again?

[jagged pier]

Well as no tuning has been done yet, we have no info to give

[tulip pumice]

my bad, jumped the gun. PTR it is then.

[finite fossil]

any tips on dealing with the gargons in halls of atonement? im getting slammed in ptr lol

[strong forum]

was that the dogs?

block their bleed

the dmg of the bleed is based on the initial hit taken

after that once it stacked up too high, kite

🙂

[finite fossil]

Ohh! Thanks! 😄

[rough egret]

Also be dwarf 😄

[tribal wharf]

i saw very small part of yoda doing opening of hoa as pwar

did some massive pull with like, i think it was like 183m dps?

TV was a perfect dungeon, except for pre-nerf mail room

[daring narwhal]

pretty weird that they are bringing back kite meta in hoa, given every tank hated it

[mighty valley]

there’s literally one mob that might make you kite

[daring narwhal]

still too much considering they are in nearly in every pull before the 1st boss, no way it stays like that

[tight hinge]

yeah doubtful gargons stay as is on ptr, they are oppressive

[cyan bronze]

just heal through it

[frosty mango]

I feel like druid ST damage is not far off prot

if I had the same gear on my druid as my warrior it doesnt feel like pure single raid dps would be too far off

[solid sun]

With catweaving I assume

But then I’d also assume in dungeons it would be poopy

[nocturne spindle]

correct

id probably like druid more for M+ if catweaving worked and you could just do it for like minibosses/bosses

[slender bison]

I just went back on my PWarr after 2 weeks of BrM and now I feel like a grampa when moving around

Sure, hp stays in BDK orange zone but goddamn its gameplay is fluid

Minus snap agro

And missing shockwave

[nocturne spindle]

and disrupting shout

[frosty mango]

Yeah I tried to catweave in a key and it went

Badly

lol

[idle copper]

Is there a ptr build doing the rounds?

[solid sun]

How has your brew experimentation been going

[undone beacon]

Catweaving in keys might actually be viable next season for Ravage proc fishing as DotC

I think with all the buffs rolling you can get 3 auto attacks in cat form per global, and autos are what proc ravage

Elunes Chosen is still gonna be the easy and tanky option but DotC is gonna be slick if things keep up

[small steeple]

Proceeds to fall over from auto attacks in anything above a 12

[undone beacon]

I mean, with DotC you retain 80% of your bear form armor and HP for 6 seconds in cat form, which is plenty of time to dot and proc a ravage

And with fluid form it doesn’t cost an extra global to shift

[small steeple]

That 20% loss is like, really big

[undone beacon]

Obviously against a big pull you’re not gonna go into cat but it’s not insta death in most situations like in EC

Or don’t do it right before a buster, etc

[small steeple]

I don’t play bear too much so I couldn’t say but just doesn’t seem like it’s enough to live for a few seconds, because you lose all your dodge too right? That’s tied to bear form itself I think

[undone beacon]

It works in all forms iirc

Plus with DotC, during a ravage chain you have a lot of extra DRs on you from the hero talents

Again, it’s gonna be less tanky than your typical EC bear but there’s potential in ST/Low target count M+ pulls for catweaving to be legit legit

Just need a WA to track when you get a ravage proc since you can’t ravage in cat form as DotC

[frosty mango]

it’s ok, I don’t dislike it but I don’t really like it

I prefer warrior

Vastly

[undone beacon]

Depending on how the rest of ptr tuning goes and the comp for my raid team i may end up staying warr for prog

which then begs the question, do I finally commit to race changing to dracthyr

[solid sun]

no

[undone beacon]

I guess that’s that then

[worthy lichen]

Whats the target count where id switch from revenge to execute?

[mighty valley]

2 iirc

or if there’s an important prio target to kill fast

[worthy lichen]

im trying to find target count for execute vs revenge with these, getting 4.27m / 40 rage w/ execute and 4m / 40 rage with revenge on 5 targets. Is there anything else thatd affect this? execute doesnt* give stacks, but they build fast with just slam

ptr

[cerulean tusk]

Execute does not grant demo CDR, so I presume you mean for Thane - Thane dont really revenge, so execute away.

[worthy lichen]

im talkin about colossal might stacks

o sorry

meant to say doesnt give

[cerulean tusk]

Ya want to reduce the CD of Demolish, so ya will just press Revenge. On 1-2 execute is just plain better, and on 3 it is unlikely to be better.

Demolish is still the main portion of our dam, pushing it back for another dam source prob wont be it

[worthy lichen]

prob have to sim to see if losing stack generation is worth it

ya

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, but I doubt it will be worth

execute cleave is for Thane, and their exe% dam mods

[worthy lichen]

is thane any good on ptr? havnt tried it

[cerulean tusk]

Havent tried it with the buffed tierset, but nothing was wrong with it - just lower dam than Col

[worthy lichen]

still lower with the buff?

[cerulean tusk]

No idea, havent kept an eye on it

[warm plinth]

I highly doubt it could ever do better than pressing Revenge on 3+ targets because
a. No Colossal Might stacks - this means you will Demolish less often, which then means you have less uptime on Dominance
b. Revenge strikes an extra time for 30% damage with Seismic Reverb, which idk if you're taking into account.
c. You will get less Shield Slam resets because instead of consuming a static 20 rage, you could be consuming up to 40, resulting in less overall casts of the spender.

[worthy lichen]

ya that makes sense

[warm plinth]

Simming should provide a more definitive answer though, since the mechanics of the abilities themselves haven't changed (with the possible exception of Heavy Handed not being implemented yet to hit additional targets)

[worthy lichen]

i think details puts reverb under revenge

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's not consistent with stuff like that. Sometimes it will, other times it'll have the same spell listed twice, sometimes it'll have it as a separate damage event entirely (depending on the spell/damage source). I don't know off the top of my head how it handles Revenge and reverb, but you could be right.

[pastel dew]

Any predicitons on changes this coming week?

[cerulean tusk]

This:
|| ||

[mighty valley]

You really think so? Is this a leak or just a prediction? I really don’t think they’ll do this

[cerulean tusk]

only time will tell then

(it do be what I heard tho)

[vale escarp]

its real

got the same infos from my insider

[ocean valley]

im curious how fbv will hold up on a single target boss, or will we just get shredded

[cerulean tusk]

We need adds to fuel it, so just ask your DPS to not nuke the pad

[warm plinth]

We don't get shredded on single target

Or any targets really.

[cerulean tusk]

I dunno, those arcane slashes chunked in a 14

[warm plinth]

Eh, I'm not saying that there aren't bosses that can hurt. But his statement was general so I commented generally

[south goblet]

well yea, warrior is going back to were brick walls and unkillable

unless magic dmg is involved over a sustained period

at which point we just fall over

[prisma scarab]

yo question

[cerulean tusk]

Oh no

Shoot

[prisma scarab]

the new belt

[cerulean tusk]

Crit

[prisma scarab]

o7 ❤️

[tribal wharf]

i have belief that since wechose i want to say its like 50 60 ish talents maybe 70, 30 + 30+10?, at least more in the general class talents, more of them read like a typical mtg card effect rather than a yugioh card, which would be the important capstone abilities and more of those in spec tree,

like an mtg card is like, a dude with haste and maybe flying, ygo you sometimes got like 3 effects same csrd and starts huge chain of events

id rather have less effects and buttons (not 1ba)as a whole in general

and more forgiving key timer options

[cerulean tusk]

Yogi, go home, you are drunk

[tribal wharf]

less buffs too worry about and i dont have to worry about 8 differents spells cuz i combined 2 packs of 3 mobs each for 6 monsters

[cerulean tusk]

Just worry about having shieldblock up and shieldwall for tank busters, and you will be fine for 99% of content

[tribal wharf]

i desire something more simple and brain dead dont need to thinky so much

yah, now look up any modern yugioh card

[cerulean tusk]

Warrior is already as simple as it comes...

Guess you could go full mast/Vers druid

[cerulean tusk]

Jus play indestructible lands and myr engine steal all the enemies permanents. Hold them hostage till your engine ticks to 20 and you autowin the game.

[mighty valley]

i think this is my favorite one in recent days - so hard to understand what it does on first reading

whoops, should've linked this version

[tribal wharf]

this is only 1 random turn in YGO

3 minutes

and that's fairly tame

[mighty valley]

yeah it's silly

[tribal wharf]

im high gold ELO in that game, which is low

[mighty valley]

the only thing i push back on is saying that magic is simple

or doesn't have bullshit complexity or turn-1 kills

of course it does

[tribal wharf]

im too old for rush duel, xyz and link summoning, pendulum

rest of it i can understand,

yep, but i feel like, magic is simpler overall

until 8 player edh

no summon monster limits is fun

in YGO, you are constantly paying attention to what enemy does, and trying to disrupt it, mtg you focus on what you are doing

[mighty valley]

?

magic has tons of interaction

[tribal wharf]

sure, but it doesnt require memorization of what the opponent deck does and playing around it

[mighty valley]

yes it does

if you want to be competitive

[tribal wharf]

which ygo actively does require like, cyber dragons deck, will have some weakness

and you have to know, or you get overwhelmed

its a different type of, but on par with mtg difficulty

[keen leaf]

This is a weird prot discussion

[arctic parrot]

which prot trinkets are prob best going into season 3 mythic plus? trying to decide on last purchase when I have seaforium

[frosty mango]

guardian druid is the answer. @undone beacon send the shuttle

[frosty mango]

raid or m+

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-gif-13623618

bear no thought just thrash

[arctic parrot]

m plus

[frosty mango]

generally speaking pacemaker + tome and if you need a defensive trinket youd put bombsuit in place of tome

[arctic parrot]

what about ringing ritual mud? only bring it up b/c I was looking at archon seeing more go for that

[undone beacon]

Easier to get a myth mud than a myth Bombsuit

Mud is decent but Bombsuit tends to be stronger

[arctic parrot]

hmm ok, thx all

[little axle]

hey am I missing something here; when I put on Tome of Light trinket and gain 5k armor (up to 208k) the phys dmg reduction in the tooltip goes down by 0.16% ??

[noble mountain]

might be a dumb question but how do u guys gather multiple packs and keep threat? i main vdh and it just seems easier or maybe i just need practice.
like first pull of floodgate for example, do i slowly chain while thunderclapping or quickly gather with leap/charge/axe throws/taunt?

also need a better way to stay alive on such a big pull when starting with no rage

[warm plinth]

Charge+Ava the first pack, TC for threat, leap to the top, charge next pack, drop ravagar

Troar when everything is together

[noble mountain]

this sounds way faster, thanks ill try this

[drifting surge]

So do we just stay in def stance now? It doesn't say it reduces dmg done anymore

[warm plinth]

Er, what

Oh

Yeah it hasn't for a long time

[drifting surge]

I just came back

Couple weeks ago

[warm plinth]

You can just stay in def stance

[drifting surge]

Fair

[sinful copper]

What? Defensive stance doesn't say it reduces damage?

[drifting surge]

Damage done

reduces by 16% but used to reduce damage done by 10 or 15 IFIRC

[sinful copper]

Ohhhh I see

U just said reduces dmg I was so confused

[drifting surge]

Yeah yeah i just woke up lol

[sinful copper]

Haha

[mighty valley]

yeah that changed for tww

the damage difference is just 3% crit now

[tidal scarab]

I've been conscripted as a fill in raider for mythic mugzee next week. This is gonna be interesting.

Considering I've tanked heroic mugzee once and that's the extent of my fight knowledge

[ocean valley]

are you a bomb popper or golden fist?

[tidal scarab]

Bomb popper

[ocean valley]

so you getting bop for 2nd set?

[tidal scarab]

I can yeah

[jagged gust]

Man high key builds are wild

[frosty mango]

mythic?

[drifting surge]

Finally settled on kultiran mog, big boy prot 💪

[frosty mango]

who is running this?

depending the key not taking punish seems...ill advised

[cold tapir]

The trinket you replaced probably had Strength on it. 1 point of Strength = 0,7 points of Armor

[little axle]

I was just comparing between wearing the trinket and having nothing in that slot 🤷‍♂️

[ebon geyser]

what are the odd of us getting nerf?

[cold tapir]

Just tested this myself, tooltip does indeed display a lower mitigation % without trinket, I think it might be related to scaling or just a bug. If you select a target dummy however it will show the correct amount mitigated, which is of course more with the trinket equipped

[jagged gust]

Plka

The double rage gen is kinda cool

Also I just noticed Punish gets buffed in the PTR

[ebon geyser]

so many ppl posting prot is stonks.. and when blizz sees that nerf... and be blind to VDH

[blazing ridge]

Yeah Im honestly scared that Blizzard will overnerf us

[strong forum]

Such is the way of the warrior

[ebon geyser]

u should have wrote in the feedback we shit so we dont get touched lol

[jagged pier]

But no one wants to heal with fbv

We arent bdks

[ebon geyser]

i just dont get how the fok they are blind to VDH

[drifting surge]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-dps-wow-classic-gif-1071730007866166627

[blazing condor]

just always expect pwarr to be shit

and play if you think its fun

[sharp gale]

Prot war is giga stonks in raid rn and didn’t get turbo nerfed (i know we got a round of tuning)

[floral trail]

can anyone tell me how to fix ravager/shieldwall weak auras (all not working, tried several times)

on ptr*

[strong forum]

check their load conditions

its probably still tied to old talent tree

disable that check

[zenith aurora]

Random question what tier can you solo shit on now, is anything DF solo able with a bit of pain yet?

[strong forum]

no

wouldnt think so

many bosses have very binary 1shot checks

or 99% DR

[floral trail]

thanks

[ebon geyser]

I would say maybe in midnight

[ebon geyser]

I have been jumping between monk/ww and prot/arms but idk...

[sharp gale]

Don’t put all your eggs in the same basket if you are the type to worry about m+ meta

Ppl doing rank 1 keys prepare and maintain all possible specs

Until meta settles

[drifting surge]

Prot war best tank

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-prot-warrior-tbc-wow-chad-class-gif-24723206

[ionic nimbus]

So we are going to be wheel chair as
after balancing? Sorry that one was dark

[clever hazel]

I'm guessing you are intending this on mythic? Nerub palance has been solo'd on normal.

[frosty mango]

Yeah I guess so, I’d be so scared with no punish but I guess when I really think about it he’s also running fbv so large enough pulls bloodsurge would be valid and bosses really aren’t scary right now

I wouldn’t do it but I can see why it would be a pick in a coordinated group

We could also just ask him!

[zenith aurora]

Yeah

[sharp gale]

He takes thunderlord, to me it is comparable / better than punish defensively in certain situations tbf

If you feel there is a gap without punish

[jagged gust]

Guess it depends on the damage profile of the dungeon

[sharp gale]

Thank god blizzard moved that mf stat node

[jagged gust]

In a TOP Punish outweighs TL by a mississipi mile

[sharp gale]

Idk I never played TL col, but if it means you have the shout on every tankbuster, it is better than punish

[frosty mango]

I watched a (mistweaver)monk yesterday do 2m dps on gally spamming expel harm with some cooked build so I’m not gonna judge too hard if something is logical

The choice there seems logical when I think about it in the context of the keys it’s being used on just different

[sharp gale]

Yeah to understand it, I’m thinking in giga high keys, you don’t care about « passive damage taken » you just want to survive the big hits, the rest is 0.1% title rank healer prob

[frosty mango]

@patent osprey instead of us just armchairing your build, why TL/bloodsurge over punish?

[jagged gust]

Turns out it's some insane tech that abuses the extra 5 yard shout radius

[sharp gale]

and i think there is a number of targets where you just hit revenge>shield slam in that scenario

so the value of punish is lowered

[jagged gust]

One thing I've never fully understood was how punish stacks

The statement "Multiple punishments may overlap" makes it sounds like each SS applies a unique debuff

which then makes each application reduce less damage?

Thinking on it in terms of DR, you cast SS on average once every 4 seconds or so, so you generally only get 2 applications before the first starts to fall off, so it's more like on average a DR of like 5.5% on a single target?

Whereas in aoe TL is like a 40something% CDR on shout, closer to <15% in ST

negligible for a majority of boss fights, but turns a 15% uptime on DS into closer to 30% in aoe

[spark cedar]

What,rly xD?

[drifting surge]

Any better spell reflect WA?

Got one rando one and not working properly

[cerulean tusk]

#promotion

[patent osprey]

I only play that for cinderbrew since its all large pulls and no scary single mobs.

I like that build in there for personal survivability

[still crown]

The worst part about this video is that he's clicking his spells

[west perch]

Sorry, was just trying to show what could be soloed already, will delete it 🙂

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-peak-performance-ephrael-stern-gif-18454455

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

At least you not talking about Doom

[west perch]

Yep haha

[tribal wharf]

doom?

i love doom

just incase you couldnt tell

wait, sorry i thought the schitzo talk was about ygo and mtg cards lol, or, that's from last night shrug

https://doom-captcha.vercel.app/ if you cant do this, we cant be friend

its not my fault that original doom from 1993 has more fun and replayability than retail wow

[radiant pendant]

is there a doc with reflectable spells for new dungs?

[mellow bridge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml

probably not 100% accurate atp

[drifting surge]

No WA?

[radiant pendant]

ty

[tribal wharf]

should be easy WA to make, is monster X casting spell Y which is Z (reflectable in this case)

[drifting surge]

I have one but it seems iffy, I had one in DF from the discord but don't see any in pins

It was far superior

[tribal wharf]

back when i was actively playing, i would have the latest season weak aura for that

and keep in the know about that, dont play any more, i'm not fully out of the loop, yet

nearly

[drifting surge]

It's one from wago but it doesn't show everything like the old one did

[echo egret]

So I watched that video from PTR that says we’re op on damage, unkillable with many targets, then there’s a bleed or magical dot an we get destroyed.
Accurate ?

[hushed cobalt]

One from DF only showed if you were the target of the spell. Current one shows all casts regardless of target

Curious if you can tinker to make it like DF version

[warm plinth]

If you remove the hyperbole, sure

[jagged gust]

Yeah, inconvenienced by magic is more accurate

bleed on the other hand we are and always have been genuinely bad at dealing with, healer issue

[cerulean tusk]

Question is: Does the magic dam one or twotap us? If no, then we are fine as long we got 8+ adds to top us up

Question is not really if the abilities are going to onetap us, they will. Quesiton is if we can make due without Spell Block duration to help reset our deadspace between wall CD

So better pray there is basically no spell dam in packs

o/

[echo egret]

I’m not sure I like healing myself through FbV like a dk to be honest

[jagged gust]

oh no, passive healing

kill it

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, I get where Stardawn is coming from

[cyan bronze]

we can deal with it very well

[cerulean tusk]

If we are supposed to be the mitigation tank-tank, then having selfsustain through HPS kinda feels bad

[cyan bronze]

every two minutes

[jagged gust]

every two minutes

[cerulean tusk]

Shield Wall is affected by anger management, if you forgot - Trae.

[cyan bronze]

dwarf

[cerulean tusk]

But we will have a lot more dead space with no DR, that is for sure

[cyan bronze]

if you forgot

[echo egret]

I loved when a healer friend, not used to play with ware tank, was saying « wow your HP bar is incredibly stable »

[torn gulch]

fuck dwarf i'l be a zug zug for life

ZUG ZUG

[cyan bronze]

if you are complaining about bleeds being difficult to deal with

and you are giving up the bleed get rid of now button

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, if it is a singleton bleed and not one of the stacking ones - sure?

[jagged gust]

finally leveled my dwarf warrior, s3 here I come

[torn gulch]

gorgon bleed

[cerulean tusk]

Dogo bleeds is per strike and so on, no?

[torn gulch]

is coming

[cyan bronze]

gorgons are fake and my healer can cope

I will be stacking 50 of them and not dying

[cerulean tusk]

Just shieldwall the dogs, and kite

ez pz

[cyan bronze]

my healer will be healing me

[torn gulch]

there is no way that gorgons won't be adjusted

[jagged gust]

healers get the pleasure of not having to touch us 95% of the time, they can do their part

[cyan bronze]

wait

i just remembered

im the healer who has to cope next tier

[cerulean tusk]

Wdum, Maci? We will just adopt early SL strats

go in, all CDs, then kite

ez

[jagged gust]

and now with a bleed tier set and bleed amp talents, we only have to hit mobs once and they'll stick like glue

yay kiting

[cyan bronze]

are you referring to the ancient tech of dying flaming healer and going next

wait guys

[torn gulch]

incidentally that was my most hated season in m+, maybe except 8.0 and the overflowing blip

[cerulean tusk]

Kite meta! hell yeah!

[cyan bronze]

great idea to make pwar deal with bleeds well

make fbv work on bleeds we have on us

[jagged gust]

its genius

[cyan bronze]

fueled by violence

[torn gulch]

5 million tick we get healed 10 million 200%

[cyan bronze]

violence is two ways..

[torn gulch]

omegalul

[cyan bronze]

tech of dragging around gargon around all of hoa

[torn gulch]

plagueborers warrior edition

[cerulean tusk]

Heroic Throw applies deep wounds, no?

We will be the kite meta masters

[jagged gust]

it should also proc the new ravager

finally a ranged tank

[cerulean tusk]

Engi grenades will be useful too

Mah gawrd, are we seeing peak game design in progress?

[jagged gust]

peak is ravager applying rend

[cerulean tusk]

TC got extendo range, so it can apply while kiteing

[jagged gust]

okay so we gaming

[cerulean tusk]

It is all coming together

we will be the meta kite tank

[cyan bronze]

just extend spatial paradox to tanks

disrupting shout pulls entire dungeons…

[undone beacon]

It’s all battle horns and banners to taunt everything forever

Frost mages, ele shamans, destro locks, and other ground effect users seething rn

[solid sun]

Aren’t the dog bleeds fake?

Don’t they do less damage the more you mitigate the initial hit?

With regards to the previous conversation mentioning the doggos

[warm plinth]

They don't exist anymore anyway

[solid sun]

Oh sick

So they really are fake! Even more fake than I anticipated!

[daring narwhal]

it's not a cast now, it's a passive on they melee

[tribal wharf]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/tazavesh-and-halls-of-atonement-dungeon-updates-mythic-season-3-377685

[daring narwhal]

and even with block, when you have 10+ stacks you really need to kite

[solid sun]

Well that’s usually how any stacking mechanic works

First room of CM if the stacks become worrisome you shockwave and move away from the bogies.

[daring narwhal]

it stacks less often than that

[solid sun]

Seems fine

[daring narwhal]

have you done it on ptr ?

[solid sun]

Don’t need to. Moving away from something isn’t the end of the world.

[daring narwhal]

please try and comment after then 🙂

[warm plinth]

Block doesn't affect bleeds, so it wouldn't make a difference on how many stacks you need to kite

That is unfortunate that it still exists though, since that note definitely makes it sound like it doesn't.

[daring narwhal]

it affects the damage the dot do afaik

[warm plinth]

It might affect the initial damage, but the bleed itself wouldn't be impacted, is what I mean

I'm pretty sure that mechanic is initial damage + a bleed

[solid sun]

The OG bleed effect the dogs had, iirc, did less damage over time the more you mitigated the initial hit

[warm plinth]

I see

[jagged pier]

almost like they nerfing things for prot warrior again

[warm plinth]

[warm plinth]

Gotcha. I didn't know that was part of the mechanic.

[abstract jungle]

in raid do you press demolish as soon as its 10 stacks or do you ever press early / hold for any reason?

[jagged pier]

press cds on cd

[solid sun]

Idk we kited them in SL and Idr anyone really complaining about HoA

[jagged pier]

loads of ppl complained about HoA

[daring narwhal]

Every tank hated it

[warm plinth]

I think people complained about the casters more than the dogs. Couldn't you backpedal the dogs anyway?

[daring narwhal]

Kiting isn't tanking

[warm plinth]

The casters were fuckin savage

[jagged pier]

i didnt it was like 1 of the 2 dungeons i liked

lots of los spots to abuse

guanelet at the end was annoying tho

[daring narwhal]

yeah abused path finding a lot, but not fun imo

[solid sun]

The casters were def the pain point but I do remember the dogs being hella slow

[warm plinth]

I can't wait to have to scream at people to stop tagging the casters with dots when I'm trying to gather though. Peak Shadowlands gaming.

[jagged pier]

just let them die

[warm plinth]

It's not in my heart to let a simpleton die

[solid sun]

Watching a dog go back and forth around a fence is pretty fun

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah I forgot all about that dumb shit 😂

[solid sun]

Laughed every time

[warm plinth]

It's like looping the killer in Dead by Daylight!

[solid sun]

lol true

[tribal wharf]

if you arent pointing the dragon at the raid, its probably on them, loosely connected to something you did

[warm plinth]

Like distantly, DISTANTLY connected

[tribal wharf]

i mean, yes but no

more for melee

cuz they have to walk to get in range, and you can put boss out of cave in thats over the entire boss melee- able zone

mostly you are right

[kind urchin]

I like to make sure my melee can hit things.

[tribal wharf]

"Like distantly, DISTANTLY connected" for ranged in party, 1 bazilion % tru

[ebon geyser]

I don't even know why HoA came back... The first boss and the second boss are pug killers

I refuse to roleplay as big ed and play dwarf... 🤢

[drifting surge]

Is crit cap still 30% IFIRC

[tribal wharf]

sounds like they removed the bleed in a hot fix

[ashen kestrel]

do we think big momma will be really tough next tier without spell block? i know she got nerfed so maybe hunker down will be enough to get through it

also what about first boss in priory? those are the main two im worried about

[jagged pier]

spell block only worked on the initial hit

so it will change nothing really

[ashen kestrel]

ah which is what got nerfed too right? so if anything hunker down might make it a little easier for the dot purposes compared to this tier

[jagged gust]

We'll also have the luxury of not having to spend out entire stat budget on crit and haste

[ashen kestrel]

i guess our self heal will be better on that fight too through the fbv buff plus 4 little guys

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/oompa-loompa-doompa-dee-dee-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-singing-turn-around-twist-gif-21442814

[jagged gust]

classic warrior math

[torn gulch]

there is a reason season 1 shadowlands was hated by a lot of tanks
tanks kiting is not engaging at all

[tribal wharf]

i hated the timer and walking in de other side

that dungeon was EXHAUSTING for me to run

[mortal cypress]

Agree, and I was just dps. Once I got a high level IQD I stayed the hell away.

[frosty mango]

“When we said tanking what we really meant was high aggro running”

[torn gulch]

When I play tank I want to be there as a meatshield getting punched in the face
That season I felt as a pussy running around

[ebon geyser]

Good. I mean keys are gonna be bricked on boss one and 2 or gauntlet if ppl make it that far

[rugged root]

is heroic jastors worth it for m+

[lusty grotto]

myth rings sim better for it

unless you cannot buy anything else, avoid it

specifically hero track

myth track is insta buy obviously

if youre talking about dinars

if not, then just sim

[rugged root]

okay just wanted to make sure cause on my prot i got 2 12s left to do and was considering using dinars on heroic jastors but ill just go for myth+ rings

[lusty grotto]

crafted ring also can sim higher than a hero track jastor

[solid sun]

It just depends. If every dungeon has me running around avoiding getting hit then yeah, that’s super dumb

If there’s like one mob in the rotation where I’m kiting, meh. Not a big deal

[frosty mango]

oh shadowlands was special

there was very little tanking

lots of running

lots and lots of running

[solid sun]

I was there. But what we are prepping for isn’t that

[tribal wharf]

oh, since doom earlier, doom in discord now

https://doom.p2r3.com/i.webp

ya, really,

not joke

[solid sun]

That was beneficial to the conversation, thanks

[tribal wharf]

the people demand doom

[rugged root]

also i havent had a chest drop for me in a while should i just go ahead and recraft to 681 or hold out?

[lusty grotto]

sure

[frigid spire]

how we think we doing in s3

[cerulean tusk]

Decent

[slim dove]

bretty gud assuming fbv doesn't get shot

[willow edge]

I remember the shadowlands pains of tanking

That one Affix that was a stacking "You receive less healing" and it do go up to 100%

[alpine olive]

necrotic skittering 💀

[frigid spire]

i still miss glad stance

[willow edge]

On that note

Blizzard give me back my venthyr execute above 70% health

[frigid spire]

lol

[willow edge]

That shit was fun

[tribal wharf]

finally

someone who has seen the light

[willow edge]

Hunter fucking has it for their kill shot and I can't say I am not jealous

[tribal wharf]

i bet they are going to add it for dps only specs

for warrior

bc its blzizzard

[willow edge]

If they did that it would still be nice

But yes blizz give back the good execute

[tribal wharf]

maybe not asmongold lvls of stacking the whatever the hell it was buff thing for 8 billion dps

but like, a few stacks, 10, 25

[willow edge]

Yeah that was a bit much

[tribal wharf]

ever since the game luanched in 2004