https://pa1.aminoapps.com/6199/eed0d3d6ac91422c0292997d7a4eb7aab7ace588_00.gif
i am ready to take tank busters just like that next season
#protection
torn gulch
maiden forge
now its their block is worse
chilly brook
No that was just a statement
slender bison
Ok, it was DF. A little. Since everyone played Troar back then
frosty mango
I got chu
chilly brook
I wasn't saying that as justification for whether or not it's coded different
chill
maiden forge
sorry, just sadge over prot
slender bison
But in TWW to spec Bloodborne it's literally self sabotage
maiden forge
want my no brain spell block back
bleak breach
But in TWW to spec Bloodborne it's literally self sabotage
Can do some sweaty parses with bloodborne
frosty mango
frosty mango
I know but I’ve used it like 20 times now
mighty valley
if spellbreaker just said 4% magic damage dr (and wasn’t dropped the same day as our busted magic cd going away) we’d just look at it and say “eh, weak” and move on with our lives
frosty mango
are you sure thats not just an opinion? <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
Nope it’s a peer reviewed study
hardy snow
Nerubar had such exceptions on half of the bosses, Undermine have it on three out of eight bosses. trend is going down fortunately this expansion so far 😄
maiden forge
if spellbreaker just said 4% magic damage dr (and wasn’t dropped the same day as...
truth tbh
lusty grotto
Nope it’s a peer reviewed study
swift elk
I know we are all mad about shield block, but:
Do we think loosing the second guaranteed critical Shield Slam is going to hurt us much?
shut summit
no
cerulean tusk
Nop
bleak breach
Na
lusty grotto
spell block
maiden forge
if we lost shield block
swift elk
Whoops
frosty mango
Our crit is already so high I doubt it even moves the needle
maiden forge
swift elk
Yeah, brutal.
I didn't think it would be a big deal, but wanted to ask because I have missed obvious downside in stuff like that before.
bleak breach
That’s just like a small bonus of the tier
errant wagon
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1377660199413...
thanks for the writeup king, pretty much doing all this already except laststand+demoshout, I will ride with that more.
I guess what's your opinion on spell reflect usage, I was always precasting prior to the divine judgement cast, would you suggest otherwise?
And I am always running mud. Any speicifc tips on when to use mud? I was always comboing it with one of my walls to make the shield last longer, but maybe that is too much. Is mud alonge an adequate wall with no other defensive layered?
these are the things I've been questioning....
bleak breach
I mean it’s a guaranteed extra stack of colossal might, but overall a very minimal dps loss
chilly brook
Eh it seems they use the same coding so my bad
hardy snow
and guaranteed prolongation of 4p bleed bonus
but that will have high uptime anyway I guess
chilly brook
since they link to Sense's sheet
frosty mango
thanks for the writeup king, pretty much doing all this already except laststand...
I use it on the aoe pulse just to help the healer, mud and wall should be enough
I usually send mud solo on the first pierce bc that’s when the healer is most likely to be externaling you if not otherwise discussed
cerulean tusk
Comment stolen, last seen 10 min ago.
heavy sparrow
I use it on the aoe pulse just to help the healer, mud and wall should be enough
This is helpful
slender bison
Man, can't wait for Midnight so we can talk about Bloodlust and BattleRes instead of this daily Spell breaker garbage which nobody will use 
errant wagon
I use it on the aoe pulse just to help the healer, mud and wall should be enough
I think it's up more often that that though, you never send it on divine judgement? that thing starts to chunk a bit. But I understand the healer has a lot on their plate.
But to clarify I guess I'm wondering if mud by itself, is good enough for a defensive round with pierce.
cerulean tusk
Confess!
heavy sparrow
But what about for those not spending into ravager for that extra tank budonkadonk
frosty mango
I think it's up more often that that though, you never send it on divine judgeme...
I send it on whatever the pulsing aoe burst is
hardy snow
does thunder hero tier set hits good now?
frosty mango
The debuff can be dispelled
And the healer is likely to be healing the group on the aoe so anything you can do to help yourself there is a win
errant wagon
I send it on whatever the pulsing aoe burst is
Gotcha... yea just the initial damage on these +18's is doing like, 40% of my health lol
bleak breach
So right could be wrong, but with colossus 4pc if you crit enough you could maintain 100% uptime on the bleed damage buff yeah?
errant wagon
spell block doesn't work for the AOE does it?
lusty grotto
it does, for some select aoes
hardy snow
So right could be wrong, but with colossus 4pc if you crit enough you could main...
yea, just need to crit shieldslam every 8s
bleak breach
Easy done
frosty mango
Gotcha... yea just the initial damage on these +18's is doing like, 40% of my he...
At 18 you are going to need externals
lusty grotto
thought blizzard admittedly stated that it didn't... we do have spell blockable aoes and dots
frosty mango
And the healer is gonna need to help you
errant wagon
AOE context here is holy radiance, captain dailcry fight
frosty mango
There’s no avoiding that, if the healer isn’t pumping you on pierce you’re probably gonna die and that’s on them
slender bison
So right could be wrong, but with colossus 4pc if you crit enough you could main...
No idea of it has ICD yet
errant wagon
There’s no avoiding that, if the healer isn’t pumping you on pierce you’re proba...
ya, ok I've come to terms with this. Just need a second brain to back me up.
Thank you much ❤️
bleak breach
Seems really solid if that’s the case
errant wagon
I've checked that list a ton yes, but I've just been watching high end prot warrior keys (yoda and bobas) and they both clicked spell block during that fight
and AFAIK it does nothing
so just trying to see if there is something else I'm missing
maybe it's placebo lmao
slender bison
Speaking of Yoda, will we get a 5th tank tier list this week?
lusty grotto
we cant answer for streamers
they do whatever the fuck they want
nothing from emberlanz is spell blockable
hardy snow
Speaking of Yoda, will we get a 5th tank tier list this week?
of course, new class changes = new tierlist
lusty grotto
use SR
errant wagon
well in some cases it's public logs, but point taken. Just figured maybe there is something to it.
Example: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cprzjMTdAZ9JbQvG?fight=1&type=casts&pull=6&source=3
Fight selected is dailcry, another prot warrior click spell block
slender bison
of course, new class changes = new tierlist
Good, I like my PTR tier lists up to date by the hour
errant wagon
so just wanted to bring up the topic
lusty grotto
bro
its not spell blockable
we've been over logs before, thats how that list is made to begin with
do you want me to show you how we know?
hardy snow
on logs instead of checking spells used, you can check wether dmg was blocked or not 
errant wagon
I'm agreeing with you man
I'm trying to just bring up a conversation of why would these people click it
lol
sorry, I'll drop it
hardy snow
I'm trying to just bring up a conversation of why would these people click it
because they dont know it doesnt work on such mechanic
slender bison
same reason they make tier lists
hardy snow
you gave example of Yoda - while he is very great M+ tank, he isnt that great on warrior spec itself
errant wagon
do you want me to show you how we know?
Actually yea I would be interested in seeing how you can select logs to see what defensives blocked what / how much 😄
I'm unaware of how to do that, would be nice
hardy snow
Actually yea I would be interested in seeing how you can select logs to see what...
ypu can mouse over dmg taken
lusty grotto
like so
hardy snow
or in the timelines you check every single hit separately
lusty grotto
that's melee btw
hardy snow
in events* sorry
lusty grotto
i filtered with spell block and SB up
errant wagon
in the case of a spell block, does it show "blocked hit" on spells?
when you hover it
errant wagon
Sweet. Ok thanks for showing me ❤️
slender bison
Meta slaves in S3 when they see the 8% phys Brewmaster with Outlaw 2 chesting their key
hardy snow
Sweet. Ok thanks for showing me ❤️
and here is example of how it looks in the events
lusty grotto
B: means blocked
cerulean tusk
Meta slaves in S3 when they see the 8% phys Brewmaster with Outlaw 2 chesting th...
In a +2
slender bison
Though some Arcane mage guy on PTR pulled 50 M dps aoe
dapper solstice
Blessing of spellwarding btw
agile elbow
Players who leave runs before completion, timer end, or a successful Vote to Abandon will eventually be marked as a Keystone Deserter in the Premade Dungeon Finder.
Tone deaf Blizzard. Let's implement a feature to abandon keys LEGITIMATELY but still penalize people for using it. Huehuehue.
chilly brook
Blessing of spellwarding btw
Spellwarding, is in most cases, outside of specific niche uses worse than spell block
chilly brook
Players who leave runs before completion, timer end, or a successful Vote to Aba...
what?
that's not what the text says at all
agile elbow
Oh, you right.
I missed the before there.
Because otherwise lol. I mean it's on par for something blizzard would do
(Look at getting vote kicked and still getting a 30 minute penalty kek)
mighty valley
“Typical blizzard, doing something I made up to get mad at”
agile elbow
The vote abandon?
lusty grotto
im tired of putting leavers of timeable keys in black list addons
and yeah the vote abandon too
agile elbow
😂
chilly brook
I'm not looking forward to being held hostage
hardy snow
I wonder what ideas trolls will have to abuse this system
chilly brook
in dead key
lusty grotto
yeah well i said "timeable keys"
chilly brook
or a key that someone is delusional in thinking they can time
agile elbow
You'll really only get held hostage if it's a key with more friends than randoms.
red otter
Horrifying comparison but ringing true.
agile elbow
If they DO want to troll.
chilly brook
youre not in that bracket
wdymmmmmmm
lusty grotto
youre over the trench
chilly brook
these keys on the rogue are rough
lusty grotto
bro 10s are harder than 18s
agile elbow
They did finally post about Spellblock.
chilly brook
I just want my 12s timed for my trinkets
agile elbow
Even if it was a cop out post
chilly brook
but so many bad players are populating the 10-12 bracket rn
lusty grotto
that box skip garbage that they do in ML drives me fucking insane
chilly brook
like insanely bad
chilly brook
that box skip garbage that they do in ML drives me fucking insane
it's easy 😦
jump and air strafe right ez pz
lusty grotto
lol
and then just spend 20 mins having the rest of the group fail at it miserably, just pull the peacekeeper
chilly brook
Also I love how we're how many months of the season
agile elbow
Or people will skip and someone behind will pull the patrolling peacekeeper
chilly brook
and they had the willpower to change KUJO
round cliff
so with the monk change
agile elbow
Kek @lusty grotto
chilly brook
but they don't have the ability to FIX THE FIRE VENTS RIGHT AFTER?
agile elbow
It's monks time
lusty grotto
i hope workshop doesnt return, cause i just dont wanna keep having mini naps behind the box
chilly brook
I'M TIRED OF FIRE VENTS RANDOMLY DECIDING THAT THEY AREN'T FIXED IN PLACE AND WANT TO JUST FRY RANDOM PEOPLE
lusty grotto
that too
round cliff
It's monks *time*
our raid team doesnt have a monk rn, and im a raid tank whos comfortable playing brewmaster
if theres ever a time to be voluntold its rn
chilly brook
fix that instead of "fixing" the boss fuck me
agile elbow
Yeah.
chilly brook
our raid team doesnt have a monk rn, and im a raid tank whos comfortable playing...
I will be playing brew next season
for my 2nd raid team
lusty grotto
nice nice
chilly brook
I'm undecided on if I'll play tank for M+ tho
keys have broken me as a tank
I don't want the responsibility
people in 10s get mad because you do too much
lusty grotto
haha
round cliff
stop pugging keys
chilly brook
people in 18s get mad because you didn't pull exactly the way they wanted you to
chilly brook
stop pugging keys
and how many raiders care about pushing io?
agile elbow
Not everyone that raids does m+
chilly brook
very small amount
agile elbow
Yeah what nim said
round cliff
maybe im just lucky then
lusty grotto
lol
chilly brook
I just wanna vibe and do big dam and time keys
round cliff
ive got a few ppl in my guild who can push like, at least a little
chilly brook
the peeps I was starting to push with this season just didn't stick with it or want to push as much as I did
¯_(ツ)_/¯
plucky lichen
They’re weak
plucky lichen
elder sentinel
The spice must flow
agile elbow
Pet Shai Hulud for me
peak iron
I'M TIRED OF FIRE VENTS RANDOMLY DECIDING THAT THEY AREN'T FIXED IN PLACE AND WA...
i thought this was an issue with stealthed players specifically where the vents target them
chilly brook
i thought this was an issue with stealthed players specifically where the vents ...
shouldn't be a thing period lmao
peak iron
on that we can agree
frosty mango
definitely not my best showing because I dont remember tazavesh at all
but at least representative
round cliff
gaming
arctic lagoon
Reading that response about Spell Block tells me they don't give a fuck.
round cliff
time to play brm
pearl zinc
no its def better
ya its better cause it procs more often
i get that
but like
it still kinda poor design and only really succeeds in dot like magic damage, and now you dont even get to ignore all of the damage, just half
pearl zinc
🐻
bleak breach
What’s our damage like in ptr
I’d only assume even better than it is now with new tier and some damage buffs?
tight hinge
we're pretty girthy atm
bleak breach
Had a friend say brew is top damage now? Seems odd considering how bad they’ve been damage wise this tier?
tight hinge
brew does more, but we're doing some solid damage
bleak breach
Interesting, haven’t really looked at brew. They must’ve got some big damage buffs?
tight hinge
mostly the new shado pan tier. I have no idea how to play brew and its just blasting flurry strikes. nfc what's going on with the class/spec
velvet knot
tight hinge
yea pwar still hands down most fun tank by far for me personally, nothing slams like it
tight hinge
thane tier buffs are nice too, just surrounded by lightning posing for my album cover
frosty mango
dont think thane buffs pulled it ahead
im still doing considerably more as colossus
actually maybe not
theres two of the same run, 1 = thane 2 = colossus if anyone is interested
tribal wharf
i dunno what that mini game is, looks easy
tight hinge
yeah i'm pretty much comparable dmg so far on both. which is pretty cool
frosty mango
thane for me feels much better
to play
especially in tazavesh with the 19000 casters
tight hinge
ya so comfy to play lol
tall gorge
ya so comfy to play lol
It's about big demolish, not comfort!!
frosty mango
Thane def feels better in st now
A little spec wiggling to pick up red right hand and it could be a pretty fat play
tight hinge
oh i love demolish lol, but full execute spec thane is a spicy bb
tribal wharf
i kinda feel like new spell breaker talent is worse than before
with old 4% 100% the spell wouldnt even deal damage, so it might even stop some debuffs
maiden forge
nah, they specified it would prevent just the damage
so debuffs would still happen
unless the debuff was one of those mitigation dependent debuffs
cerulean tusk
I rather take 4% and 100% DR, than 8% and 50% DR
If I am gonna play the lottery, I want to play for the Jackpot
tribal wharf
i feel like they can make last stand more appealing since spell block gone
maiden forge
true
vivid orchid
they should at this point
maiden forge
could make bolster baseline
tribal wharf
cuz, last i looked, and played, for a very long time, last stand was it was the last button you would hit, or only hit it for "big heal"
i tended to use it for big heal
maiden forge
ye, use it then impending victory if it was up if needed
but still probably shouldnt be a 3 min cd tbh
tribal wharf
CaptainCanary1 hr 50 min agoPatch 11.1.7 Blizzard. You changed the wrong thing about Warrior. Accept that fact and open your eyes.
NotATroll said: We've listened and estimated that we were right and you were wrong, we will instead take a look at our infinitely scaling system with billions of spells to make sure they are all fine instead of conceding a point. Have a nice day.
oh man this is good
"Prot warriors will be just fine, lol." "Btw, Ignore Pain exists."
cerulean tusk
You gone from either take all the dam or no dam 50/50, to you either take all the dam or half the dam 50/50
It is clearly the worse off deal
bleak breach
Thane def feels better in st now
Be interesting once we get some more stats.
Still feels like colossus will pull ahead significantly but who knows
Thane execute was always nice though
bleak breach
Sprocket goes to crap really fast
warm plinth
"Prot warriors will be just fine, lol." "Btw, Ignore Pain exists."
People glorifying IP is peak I-don't-know-what-the-fuck-I'm-talking-about comedy
agile elbow
Can we get legion IP back so I can just have an infinite ignore pain bar that never goes down.
warm plinth
Legion IP would go away faster
drowsy shale
lol buff to 8% but nerfed to 50…. The fuck is the point in a roulette defensive ffs lol
mortal cypress
lol buff to 8% but nerfed to 50…. The fuck is the point in a roulette defensive ...
All of WoW is RNG.....RNG is exciting!!
mighty valley
it's just magic parry
it's obviously not strong but idk, i think people are being weird about rng being useless
when tons of wow is rng
spell block was rng! it was just either "strong" or "absurdly strong" lmao
mortal cypress
Will I get item?
Will I survive mechanic?
Will I get in group?
EXCITING!
warm plinth
RNG is basically always frowned upon when it's a defensive proc though.
mighty valley
Will I get item?
Will I survive mechanic?
Will I get in group?
EXCITING!
have you heard of las vegas
mighty valley
RNG is basically always frowned upon when it's a defensive proc though.
do we frown on parry
narrow ether
Parry isn’t a talent we have to take though
mighty valley
used to be!
warm plinth
No, but that is only because the thing it works on happens over a thousand times per dungeon and thus normalizes. And that's why no one gives a fuck about parry in raid.
mighty valley
yeah, this talent strikes me as the same thing
probably ok dr if there are encounters with constant dots or rot damage
and occasionally you get the mild thrill of blocking something big
warm plinth
Yeah except it happens what, 1/4 of the time too
narrow ether
Could probably take it in priory and dawnbreaker and is it possible to see the spells we blocked on logs?
warm plinth
Not sure. I'm sure previously it would've shown as a deflect
But now that it's only 50% reduction, it might be weird
mighty valley
yeah look i don't think it's a strong talent, it's just completely optional and people are acting like it insulted their mother
warm plinth
It did, because this is what they put in the game when they took out a core piece of our mitigation
That's why people are annoyed by it
narrow ether
I used spell block for that omega pull after priory first boss 
mighty valley
yeah... maybe a 30 second 40-100% damage reduction was kinda good
warm plinth
Looks like I will continue to be one week ahead on belt. It let me get the quest
mortal cypress
have you heard of las vegas
Yup, I've been there. I spent like $200 on gambling just for the experience and $2500 on shows
rugged root
shouldnt thunderclap do a lot of damage
cyan bronze
sweet summit
is this some sort of out of season april fools joke?
what is happening at the hq
someone needs to investigate
vast epoch
"When Spell Block worked on an attack, it was an extremely powerful mitigation, and we feel that would be too strong on an effect that works on all magic damage"
ah yes the classic AI text response + too stronk spell blabla 
mighty valley
that doesn’t read like ai text at all
frosty mango
"When Spell Block worked on an attack, it was an extremely powerful mitigation, ...
"we didnt think the other thing was overpowered but we think if we put it back it will be overpowered, trust us bro"
sharp merlin
anyone else having issues opening World of Warcraft?
I click Play in the launcher, and it's now just sat as a background process in the Task Manager
ionic nimbus
"When Spell Block worked on an attack, it was an extremely powerful mitigation, ...
AI would make sense..
30 sec was too powerfull, but removing it and giving this 2 options as compensation yikes
sharp merlin
wtf, nvm, it took 10 min to load
neon elk
anyone else having issues opening World of Warcraft?
Yap, started like 2-3, days ago for me
fair sonnet
so I recently switched from MT to Col and now it feels like I am always starved of fury, unless ravager is out. I have periods of time where I can't push anything because SS is on CD and fury is low and all the longer CD abilities are on CD. Also I have 27% haste but it's not enough to keep SB up, despite using Shield Charge on CD. Is this normal as colossus or must I be donig something fundamentally wrong?
I make sure to never sit on 2 charges of SB, but even then sometimes I have gaps of 1-5s
Just tested it on the training dummy, maybe it's better when I'm being hit?
neon elk
U doing something wrong i would say, but its hard to tell from just text , like how long fights we talking where u hit those gaps?
Also 27% haste, is that with or without itf? Whats the raw number ?
fair sonnet
oh I just noticed, that is with itf
19% is raw
Heavy Repercussions would probably solve the SB issue at least
fair sonnet
8978
neon elk
Damn yea thats your issue
frosty mango
this is the absolute dumbest take ever
why do community people never just speak plainly - literally an entire paragraph that says "we thought it was overpowered"
which is the real reason they removed it obviously
neon elk
Iirc u need like 13-14k with HR and tierset to have uptime , but tier is rng kinda , aim for like 18k swap to itf and u should be fine
frosty mango
Iirc u need like 13-14k with HR and tierset to have uptime , but tier is rng...
16k min, 18k comfy
neon elk
More haste will also help with your rage , and since u swaped from MT, dont overspam IP , u spam revenge as colo
fair sonnet
Damn yea thats your issue
ok thx 🙂
got it
am I still supposed to keep IP up instead of letting it run out? Or do I just completely ignore it unless I have rage to burn that I can't get rid of with SB + Rev?
neon elk
I let it run time to time but im aint doing any super high keys tho
U will get a lot of free IP thanks to outburst
And your dmg funels into your active ip so unles its insta depleted it will last for quite some time
fair sonnet
equipped an older champ ring, now I have 13.4k haste, it's better but there are still gaps in SB
so ye, need a haste neck I guess
time to get a craft
mild river
why do community people never just speak plainly - literally an entire paragraph...
Ikr? But once war tanks will be dying to magic damage in 15s while the other tanks would be doing 20s, blizz will give us 2% more stamina so we can survive more magic damage
warm plinth
so I recently switched from MT to Col and now it feels like I am always starved ...
You should be using heavy repercussions until at least 16k haste rating or you will 100% have gaps. If you're rage starved, it's because you're overspending on Ignore Pain. Ignore Pain has no goals. You don't go for uptime, you don't care if you overcap, you don't even need to track the buff. You press it to prevent overcapping when revenge isn't enough on its own. With proper gameplay, this will be often enough that you'll have Ignore pain active the vast majority of the time.
You press IP a lot more as Thane out of necessity because you have more rage generating globals, so you can't use revenge as much.
elfin elk
Heyo, are the changes to the tier set sufficient to make us consider playing thane or is it still terrible
warm plinth
Unknown for the time being
elfin elk
Fair, was just surprised to see a number that high but I guess it was needed
warm plinth
Yeah it was utter shit before
rancid tiger
i mean Col slaps still ?
fair sonnet
You should be using heavy repercussions until at least 16k haste rating or you w...
ok, that makes sense, thanks 🙂
I did hardly press any IP and was still rage starged, probably fishing for SS procs too aggressively with Rev then
lilac basalt
You should be using heavy repercussions until at least 16k haste rating or you w...
why don't we care about IP uptime? it sounds useful, what am I missing?
crude spoke
So with the removal of spell block, now with hunker down in 11.2 then spell reflect is a 5 sec 30% magic dmg reduction? on a 25 sec CD?
ionic fern
why don't we care about IP uptime? it sounds useful, what am I missing?
You have it up regardless when playing correctly since it's our rage dump.
crude spoke
so while i loved spell block, thats the trade off they present atm?
ionic fern
so while i loved spell block, thats the trade off they present atm?
Yes. Rng or non rng mitigation. Both of them are meh.
lilac basalt
You have it up regardless when playing correctly since it's our rage dump.
thanks!
crude spoke
Yes. Rng or non rng mitigation. Both of them are meh.
yeah not a fan of Rng, so would go with hunker down personally, and agreed not the best change to our magic dmg tankability..
ionic fern
Fully depends on the content/damage pattern. Hunker down might be useful st some point.
fair sonnet
what's generally suggested for crafted items? haste/crit for m+?
ionic fern
Generally,yes.
neon elk
If they keep the aproach they have rn, where they are nerfing tank busters, we might be pretty fine without it
ionic fern
We will be.
crude spoke
are we thinking nerf to fuel by violence before august 5th?
crimson furnace
anyone here thought about a multi execute thane build??
was looking at something like this
neon elk
Idk thane without TL looks weird
ionic fern
People are too worried about removal of Spell Block. They will tune damage intake accordingly. We might not be fotm good,but we'll be fine as always
ionic fern
are we thinking nerf to fuel by violence before august 5th?
Probably.
neon elk
Also why would u take more magic DR and not take more armor
ionic fern
anyone here thought about a multi execute thane build??
Tried it. Not as fun as I'd hoped for.:(
Will probably be more fun in lower keys where you can just send executes tho.
ionic fern
You can still try it yourself,maybe it'll suit you. 😉
crude spoke
is bloodborne overkill with Fueled by violence? or is SD just so strong to not take?
ionic fern
I just did it on a +10 new dungeon and it felt..meh. could have also been because I wasn't familiar with the dungeon and damage patterns tho.
crude spoke
but ofc SD in a execute build my bad
blazing ridge
mIRC lmao, I used it too. TBH, Discord is just mIRC + XD
narrow ether
ooo ionizing strikes does damage now
latent steppe
neon elk
What?
narrow ether
ionzing strikes on crystal maw tanking dummy
ebon geyser
Do you guys use demolished and then like move/kite after? I'm nervous about that locked animation.
neon elk
What for you need to kite ?
swift elk
ionzing strikes on crystal maw tanking dummy
As someone who loves all the MT lightning, I hope its enough to make MT somewhat playable (probably won't considering it isn't tied to busted hps).
narrow ether
As someone who loves all the MT lightning, I hope its enough to make MT somewhat...
i love MT as well, ionizing strikes looking pretty decent, but it's really RNG
but its all target dummy stuff anyway, i'm not going into m+ to test because of the insane ping on PTR servers
blazing ridge
So sadge that we dont have EU ptr
sweet summit
So sadge that we dont have EU ptr
can still play ptr only a bit more ping
frigid valley
thane buff did little to nothing or am i tripping?
strong forum
It's very strong for ST, but looking to be rather whelming in aoe
But yes, it did actually very little
winter kraken
Hello, quite new to tanking in general, and mostly do M+ -- i was wondering if/how tanks usually sim gear? is it just higher stats > dungeon slice for the DPS?
neon elk
We do sim, for dmg yes , idk how optimized dslice is for us rn, i do combination of ST sim for 2-3mins and 5 targets usualy ( like 2 separate sims)
blazing ridge
thane buff did little to nothing or am i tripping?
early Roid posted logs comparing them seems like its still not good
Thane felt more fluid though. Might be worth to try to get a good AoE Execute build up, would like to try something like this
installing ptr right now wanna give it try on dummies a bit
I hate taking Last Stand tbh
little ermine
yeah thunderlord being locked behind last stand is a mistake in the conception of that tree
last stand is so underwhelming without other talents to boost its value
blazing ridge
just swap positions of last stand and thunderlord, would be fucking perfect
little ermine
(remember the days when it was affected by anger management )
inland garnet
Hey, is there any hope left to save Spell Block now?
blazing ridge
wtf how long does this copy take
inland garnet
Why tf aren't warriors allowed to block spells? And make use of the shield block which is what the spec specializes in.
jade pulsar
Hey, is there any hope left to save Spell Block now?
save as in what, bring back? 0 chance
inland garnet
If someone says 'yeah but this is physically impossible, bla bla" look at paladins - they do block
Yeah, bring back
jade pulsar
ain't happening
blazing ridge
Dont doom so much, they will balance the busters so we can live them w/o Spell Block
inland garnet
Sure, you are right
But again - the whole spec is built about the shield and blocking stuff
Give us passive magic block and it will be fine
blazing ridge
Worst could be that we need to play Thane for more IP Spam to be able to have full IP Bar before busters, but what do I know
inland garnet
I am able to survive magic busters simply by managing Spell Reflect and other cds properly, in the Average Joe's 13-14s
However
The class / spec won't be complete without any spell block tool embedded
Unsure how delusional these devs are, they simply don't play warri themselves
Yes, Spell Block is a strong CD but other tanks have strong CDs
The replacement talents are simply an insult, RNG magic avoidance... f off
still crown
They are tuning the game in general to make it simpler and require less deep understanding of classes and spells to be able to execute them efficiently. This is the only reason spell block was removed. As its too hard to work out what is spell blockable for the average player. Not saying this is the right way to balance things but this is what they are moving towards with all classes. Its the same reason dev evoker cooldown was changed this expansion
inland garnet
10-15 years ago they opted to move away from this RNG fest
Mace stun etc
yet they bring this shit back in the face of warris
RNG frost mage root, RNG spell avoidance
inland garnet
They are tuning the game in general to make it simpler and require less deep und...
Not too hard... I quickly learn where I should use Spell Block
Floor PoV very educational
still crown
Not too hard... I quickly learn where I should use Spell Block
List every spell magic effect that is blockable and those that aren't. There is no consistency so instead of fixing this they removed the ability to block spells instead
Meaning it doesn't have to be managed by developers to fix the root of the problem. They can just balance around the fact that nothing is blockable instead
still crown
Yes it does. But it doesn't require in depth knowledge of spells to use effectively. Its no noob friendly and they want to make a console port to get more new players
Hence why complex rotations keep getting removed
They make money from new people not keeping people that dont like change
Hence one button rotation etc being introduced
inland garnet
This kind of depth knowledge is the 'salt' of the game, where and how to use a certain ability
Along with the class / spec fantasy
Dumb it down and people are getting bored within few weeks
And I am certainly not happy about warri's being on the receiving end of these half-brained decisions
Bitter Immunity used to remove bleeds upon introduced. It was nerfed because it was solid in a single season, and never brought / balanced back
Nowadays it's more of a hollow talent, noone would play it, partly because Com shout sucks so badly in a 5man content
hardy snow
List every spell magic effect that is blockable and those that aren't. There is ...
physical block is the same, spell reflect is even more messy, should they delete these as well?
mild river
The thing is if they nerf magic damage done by enemies in general, it means other tanks will take even less damage than us while doing great dps/heal/utility.
still crown
physical block is the same, spell reflect is even more messy, should they delete...
Ive never said its the right way. I think they should make the game more complicated and intricate. You can have physical block up 100% and yes they should removed spell reflect if this is their philosophy
jagged pier
They shouldnt make the game more complicated the majority of the player base cant play the classes as they are now
hardy snow
they should keep some classes/specs very easy to play,. and some more complex
ebon geyser
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069/139041820465...
Ty. Wanna start using col and removed spell since is going away so I can start getting used to it lol
tulip oar
https://tenor.com/view/doctor-evil-austin-powers-pixelbandits-homies-salute-gif-13012330243859586290
neon elk
they should keep some classes/specs very easy to play,. and some more complex
Then they would have to adjust dps for those classes and this will lead into even more inbalance , imho
indigo hawk
For me spell block was not a good spell. You had to learn one by one every spell you can block or not without real reason of why this one can and the other dont work. You had to learn from a Excel that a Guy did by checking every logs one by one to see if it can be block or not. It was not really fun to use it and to learn it. For me it’s a good idea they remove it, now they need to find a good way to replace it.
jagged pier
u have to do that with shield block and spell reflect too
so should we just get rid of them too?
indigo hawk
They need to make something too on spell reflect for me for noob friendly on what can be reflect and add a other sound when it deflect
But yeah I think it need to be reworked a bit too but it’s more easy to use
sharp merlin
or just get of magic dmg 😄
indigo hawk
For exemple you don’t get a sound when you block a spell with spell block, nor any single indication that it has been useful
boreal holly
Couldn't they imbed a -%magic damage into Shield Block themselves?
frosty mango
early Roid posted logs comparing them seems like its still not good
Also possible my thane spec could be tweaked etc
lilac basalt
I wish the enemy castbar would be marked for reflectable spells or something
Similar to the uninterruptible ones
elfin ginkgo
How much longer until i can start believing ill be FOTM?
merpppp
im bored at 6 coffee a day isnt doing it anymore
blazing ridge
Also possible my thane spec could be tweaked etc
Posted a build earlier i will test it on cleave dummies and only use free procs for 5 minuted
fair sonnet
OK, I specced into heavy repercussions and tried a couple of M+, and it DOES feel much better, I clearly specced out of it much too early. Thanks again for the help earlier today.
stuck basin
How much longer until i can start believing ill be FOTM?
as usual when pwar looks nice - until ppal buffs are announced in same saison :/
elfin ginkgo
im happy with any tank except vdh tbh
ionic nimbus
as usual when pwar looks nice - until ppal buffs are announced in same saison :/
Would prefer ppal over Monk tbh
frozen silo
I prefer ppal just so i can drag my terrorist friends through keys with wog memes
blazing ridge
I dont know if thats something to go with I did ~9 min cleave on the 5 dummies, and only used Free Execution progs, was 4m overall, probably couldve played it better but I think I used nearly GCD and didnt overcap a lot of rage.
was 4m overall dps
lilac basalt
is that good?
blazing ridge
I dont know how much dmg I would do with Colossus I could try. I feel like the Execute Progs do considerable amount of dmg, and they are usable afte 2/3rd of the fight in Multi Target and you will definitly have enough rage to spam execute after every Shield Slam, gameplay felt fluid as Thane is.
blazing ridge
So this is Col testing on the 5 dummies, also felt fluid, enough Rage maybe because of Blood Surge, though only did 5 Minutes, overall dps was 6,1m ...
ionic nimbus
Col looks pretty good actually. Maybe testing HoA the next couple of days, to shatter my positive view
solid sun
For exemple you don’t get a sound when you block a spell with spell block, nor a...
What about the fact that you aren’t dead
Does that count as indication
blazing ridge
this is Thane with spamming as much executes possible in the rotation, 3:30 min, 5m overall dps, I feel like Col still pulls ahead, but yea just some small tests here xdd
buffs for that test..
indigo hawk
What about the fact that you aren’t dead
Yeah this count but you don’t know from what you are not dead
mild river
How hard is monk compared to war tank? After the buff to 8% my group is asking me to level up one to try it
jagged pier
no tanks are hard
lethal ridge
How Is the new ravager talent looking ?
jagged pier
good
lethal ridge
Is the avg proc per minute number real seems pretty high
blazing ridge
its procs often you instantly noticed it when you suddenly have unlimited Rage
frigid valley
no tanks are hard
idk man this one seems pretty hard
sharp gale
One of my favorite tank
frigid valley
ohh yeah t-90s are cool but shitty aim
solid sun
Yeah this count but you don’t know from what you are not dead
Sure you do. I got walloped by x ability and it took 80% of my health. Next time I used spell block before that ability hit me and look at me just completely not caring about that ability now
sharp gale
ohh yeah t-90s are cool but shitty aim
I value the iconic aspect too
frosty mango
IMO brew is one of the easiest tanks to play, it has like 8 buttons and the only real choice you need to make is when to purify which you can just have your weakaura overlord tell you that
jagged pier
He cant do that anymore he just used spell block to blocka fire spell
undone beacon
Damn, you right
jagged pier
IMO brew is one of the easiest tanks to play, it has like 8 buttons and the only...
We dont purify here 
undone beacon
That’s actually what a spell breaker proc looks like
jagged pier
Perma red stagger for dps thnks
undone beacon
He’s negating 50% of that damage
sharp merlin
this goes hard ngl
sharp gale
imo brew is lil button bloat
sharp gale
Idk if they address that on ptr
undone beacon
lmaoo
frosty mango
You need external tools to identify when spell breaker procced
solid sun
I’m so frustrated that they received feedback about rng defensives and then changed spell breaker in a way that keeps it rng
sharp gale
Tbf I understand why it exist
It is noob trap, casuals don’t want to press défensives
frosty mango
Brew?
sharp gale
Spell breaker
frigid valley
I value the iconic aspect too
ma fav is strv 103 /s-tank. on paper maxspeed at 60km/h, but u could go as quick as 80, hell it could even "swim"
frosty mango
Oh yes
jagged pier
Only problem with brew is RSK and equinox is one of your influencers 
undone beacon
sharp gale
ma fav is strv 103 /s-tank. on paper maxspeed at 60km/h, but u could go as quick...
It’s the anti tank thing in WoT ?
solid sun
I get the second part but what’s wrong with rsk
frosty mango
I get the second part but what’s wrong with rsk
You don’t press it
frigid valley
It’s the anti tank thing in WoT ?
idk i dont play it, im a irl tank nerd
undone beacon
Doesn’t RSK not really do anything other than proc VV now?
I know people were pissy about that change
sharp gale
idk i dont play it, im a irl tank nerd
No turret = negative aura
frosty mango
No turret = negative aura
A tank without a turret is basically a personnel carrier
“Bulletproof uber”
mellow bridge
You don’t press it <:keks:936231610850897992>
idk if youre memeing or not but that's very bad advice fwiw
sharp gale
An anti tank tank
jagged pier
It doesnt matter what rsk does, it ruing the flow of the spec for me..... so i hate it
frigid valley
42.5ton of raw steel in 60km/h is just... awesome
mellow bridge
Doesn’t RSK not really do anything other than proc VV now?
it creates healing orbs also
and does good dam
frosty mango
idk if youre memeing or not but that's very bad advice fwiw
Well good thing this is the warrior discord
mellow bridge
without RSK you'd have a lot more dead globals too
brew is already at an energy deficiency (= if you play your rotation optimally, you will eventually run out of energy) and RSK helps alleviate that by a lot
mellow bridge
Well good thing this is the warrior discord
let's maybe not spread random misinformation on other specs just for fun then :D!
undone beacon
yeah nerd this is warr discord we don’t talk shop about other tanks, never ever
solid sun
Mud Evangelist, meet RSK evangelist
undone beacon
I would never talk about the rotation or tips for other tanks in this holy place
Mods, remove their femur
sharp gale
without RSK you'd have a lot more dead globals too
I think he is mixing with SCK
Which is not that much pressed
frosty mango
let's maybe not spread random misinformation on other specs just for fun then :D...
If you’re in the warrior discord and base your brewmaster play on random off context memeing with a kek emoji misinformation isn’t your problem, your problem is you’re an idiot
sharp gale
Just gathering, then never press again
frosty mango
Besides everyone knows the only button brew presses is keg smash and spinning crane kick
solid sun
And purify
sharp gale
Not a lot of spinning crane kick currently
solid sun
We just talked about pressing purify!
sharp gale
Tiger palm is something now
undone beacon
Anyone got good frost mage tips, this channel is my go to source for wow information now
sharp gale
With blackout combo
frigid valley
Only problem with brew is RSK and equinox is one of your influencers <:BearVomit...
isnt he busy holding the camera nowadays? iykwim
jagged pier
i dunno last time i ever heard anything about him he was being fed monster from someone elses mouth
tribal wharf
the last time i played monk, i went on some RP server in SW alliance, and there was a dude in the fountain talking non stop, so i went in the fountain and started spinning crane kick in it and all my abilities, especially the giga bubble one due to how it fit the thing i was doing,
jagged pier
sharp gale
And if you want to chill on brew but bored by buttons, there is a choice node kyrian button - something else, take the something else it removes 2 buttons
tribal wharf
guy got mad at me and told me to stop, and eventually left
frosty mango
Anyone got good frost mage tips, this channel is my go to source for wow informa...
Yes - never take mass barrier always mass invis, huge group utility.
Also the best way to do damage as frost is to press N and click “activate” under the arcane header
tribal wharf
and then i logged of
there is like 0 % chance i have footage of that still, but it was funny at the time
solid sun
Is there a chance of more tuning this week outside of the stuff already posted on wowhead
Or will it be next week
solid sun
Idk what the cadence is for ptr
sharp gale
1
lofty warren
The blizzard replied to spell block concerns
But it sounds like they just told us to go and pound sand?
tight hinge
yeah there's two corporate bullshit phrases within the first 2 sentences of their response. we hear you and its SUPER IMPORTANT
solid sun
What frustrates me is that a lot of times feedback boils down to “I want my character to be strong” but this time they got quality feedback about functionality and then just kinda didn’t fix it
lofty warren
Wtf AND they gave monks 8% buff and wars buff not changed why
strong forum
cuz monk buff was the weakest by a long shot
war buff is one of the strongest buffs
frosty mango
What frustrates me is that a lot of times feedback boils down to “I want my char...
See my feedback here with regards to this time, lol
lofty warren
What's the difference between battle shouts 5% attack power vs enemies take 8% more physical?
neon elk
Battle shout increases AP which increaes all dmg from AP even if its magic dmg ( like half of meele classes)
dusky canopy
Ye that ^
lofty warren
8% is more than 5%
frosty mango
Less sources
lofty warren
Does a magè benefit from attack power?
frosty mango
The mystic touch debuff is on the enemy and it only includes phys damage whereas attack power is all damage based on ap
dusky canopy
Does a mage benefit from mystic touch
frosty mango
Does a magè benefit from attack power?
No for example ret paladins do, with radiant damage
tight hinge
gonna feel so shitty not having a monk in my m+ group lol
frosty mango
Stop pepegaing us
lofty warren
I got it so like physical damage specs benefit from ap and that includes the spells they do but physical is only valid for actual physical damage
sweet summit
ye
solid sun
Pepega learns
sweet summit
all agility and strength classes appreciate AP but not all appreciate extra phys damage
lofty warren
Not gonna lie, to fix spell block issue they should just change spell block talent to be half value and also be baked into spell reflect that already gives spell dr so it would just be like a "improve the dr on your spell reflect"
sweet summit
or they could just fix dr cap and leave it be
solid sun
I don’t usually pay attention to ptr. I regret paying attention this time
dusky canopy
It’s largely just rage bait
frosty mango
IMO they should make it a choice node
dusky canopy
But when there’s not much else to do it’s entertainment
frosty mango
One makes spell reflect reflect two hits
lofty warren
What does fix dr cap mean
frosty mango
The other puts up shield block and lets it block spells at 100% for 6s but raises the cd to 45s
Then they can remove last stand instead because it’s shit and no one would care
lofty warren
I saw a yt video that said that pwar is going to continue to get pounded but now even harder by first boss prioriy
solid sun
If they think the block aspect requires too much knowledge why not just make soellbreaker a magic dr you can activate that can’t reflect but has a higher DR
sweet summit
What does fix dr cap mean
adding the nonexistant damage reduction cap from crit blocking a spell with spell block up
tight hinge
that choice node would be solid
frosty mango
It gives you a passive choice (reflect two spells, keeps flat dr) (remove reflect, increase cd, but blocks all spells for short window) and neither option is overpowered
And both would be meaningful
Double SR would be a viable dps choice
fiery wren
are we crashing out over this or are we accepting of it?
solid sun
That just means two spells would get interrupted instead of just one
Because everytime I try to reflect spells someone interrupts them
jagged pier
i mean been telling you since the new tree it wasnt coming back
am i suprised we havent seen any tuning yet tho... yes
frosty mango
i mean been telling you since the new tree it wasnt coming back
It’ll come back some time next expansion when they realize warriors have zero representation at the top end because they’re now bdks
You know like the first time spell block was introduced
sweet summit
i think if we all unsubed and refused to play 11.2 that blizzard might consider doing something good for once :3
solid sun
I don’t really care about the spell block thing anymore. I’m just shocked what they gave us is such beans
frosty mango
i think if we all unsubed and refused to play 11.2 that blizzard might consider ...
Nah they’d just put the “auctioneers glamorous brutosaur” on the store for 120 dollars and wave as we leave while wiping their tears with fistfuls of cash
neon elk
I saw a yt video that said that pwar is going to continue to get pounded but now...
Spellblock doesnt affect that boss that much, and afaik they nerfed the boss
Thats probably our least issue when it comes to losing spellblock
solid sun
I just don’t want all our heroes to leave
frosty mango
See the thing about nerfing bosses is - it’s not a real fix
Because m+ scales infinitely
So it will just make it so other comps are stronger and can do relatively higher keys
solid sun
If the nomes and roids and nimchips and mandls pashes of the world and whoever else all leave the discords would suffer a lot and then we would be stuck with influencers like equinox leading us all
frosty mango
If the “fix” for pwar is to nerf a boss by 20% all that does is make the other tanks 20% stronger relatively
neon elk
Okej but that does apply always to anything and everyone has a weaknes somewhere .. my comment was specificly for that boss and spellblock interaction and our " destruction' which isnt true at all
frosty mango
Okej but that does apply always to anything and everyone has a weaknes somewhere...
That’s fair, I’m just saying in this instance their rationale doesn’t align with their action
proud cosmos
Is someone tested Thane on PTR after latest changes ?
frosty mango
Honestly I’m just gonna do what I always do and deal with the new normal
frosty mango
Is someone tested Thane on PTR after latest changes ?
I posted some logs last night
proud cosmos
I posted some logs last night
do you think it is still far behind Colossus?
frosty mango
solid sun
I feel like if things stay the same sometimes I might die when I didn’t expect to or didn’t know what the answer for it was and when I ask in here roid will just tell me to pull more trash with the boss
frosty mango
do you think it is still far behind Colossus?
I only did one run each so not a ton of comparison and my thane spec may not be completely optimal
It closed the gap a lot and thane felt much better on single target but I still did more as colossus
But again it’s only two data points so really not enough to arrive at a conclusion
proud cosmos
thanks
frosty mango
Feelycraft tells me Colo still ahead and the burst capability of Colo is functionally more useful than the consistency of thane bc of priority mobs (especially in Tazavesh, fuck those casters)
But I’m not sure we can know until ptr final tuning is done
frosty mango
I haven’t done any ptr keys yet at high ish levels (15+) but there’s definitely some places in Tazavesh where you can get clapped
The dragon captain boss is gonna be a pug nightmare for sure lol
lofty warren
I dislike that boss early on in that one room
The one in the right room in tazervesh
pallid yarrow
In terms of survivability (m+) do either of the hero choices have a big difference? As it stands rn
frosty mango
Or did they change it
It’s the same
frosty mango
In terms of survivability (m+) do either of the hero choices have a big differen...
No
tribal wharf
are we crashing out over this or are we accepting of it?
CaptainCanary: Blizzard. You changed the wrong thing about Warrior. Accept that fact and open your eyes.
NotATroll: We've listened and estimated that we were right and you were wrong, we will instead take a look at our infinitely scaling system with billions of spells to make sure they are all fine instead of conceding a point. Have a nice day.
"Prot warriors will be just fine, lol." "Btw, Ignore Pain exists."
some of the comments under that on wowhead
frosty mango
What gave me the best chuckle is the ONE reply to our feedback post is “we heard you, and we aren’t going to do anything. Keep giving us feedback though”
solid sun
lol
tribal wharf
my feedback is i quit lol
frosty mango
I think it’s gonna be fine
For the vast majority of players the removal of spellblock will be a nonissue. That won’t stop me from complaining but it is what it is
proud cosmos
regen gonna be nerfed for sure
tribal wharf
this is fine, everything's alright
wow is good, balance is good, many people are playing it
frosty mango
wow is good, balance is good, many people are playing it
Pretty sure the only thing that matters is revenue in
“Are we making more money than last period”
heavy sparrow
What gave me the best chuckle is the ONE reply to our feedback post is “we heard...
Yep that's offsetting their workload to people doing the nitty gritty work
frosty mango
Blizz only cares about balance and player happiness insofar as they keep paying and buying, if something is clearly broken but people are still playing and paying then it’s not gonna be priority
Because they’re a business and that’s how every business works
proud cosmos
@frosty mango Have you tried Tough as Nails? is it still useless?
frosty mango
<@228540157333078016> Have you tried Tough as Nails? is it still useless?
I did some testing before and it does more damage now but it kept breaking my shield so I stopped testing it, imo not worth the points required as colossus to pick it up currently but maybe a thane play?
It was like 4% ish of overall
solid sun
Idk maybe I’m too much of an idealist or something but I don’t think they just don’t care if people keep playing and spending money. Like maybe the suits do, but the dev team def cares
frosty mango
Idk maybe I’m too much of an idealist or something but I don’t think they just d...
That’s 100% true
But the suits don’t care that the dev team cares and the suits pay the bills
violet ginkgo
I did some testing before and it does more damage now but it kept breaking my sh...
breaking the shield as in eating shield durability? oh noes... but do you think this talent got potential if the talent placement isn't that weird?
solid sun
Sure but the bulk of the team is surely still working on Midnight and hasn’t moved on to the next expansion right
Should be enough of them working on it to handle balancing rn
frosty mango
breaking the shield as in eating shield durability? oh noes... but do you think ...
Yeah my shield kept breaking like half way through a dungeon lol
It felt decent enough to me, I would take it over best served cold probably
tribal wharf
i would tell the blizzard developers go watch some god damn AVGN / civive 11 videos for input how to make a game that doesnt suck
solid sun
I think they already do a good job making games that don’t suck?
frosty mango
Sure but the bulk of the team is surely still working on Midnight and hasn’t mov...
My experience (I don’t do game dev, but I do work in swe and have a deep background in program management) tells me that projects on maintenance mode won’t have many dedicated resources but will have shared resources
violet ginkgo
lololol I just read this part from updates Mountain Thane 2p - Ionizing Strike damage increased by 725% (this is a buff).
700% so when they originally design number they forgot to calculate
frosty mango
They probably have one small team and some shared resources for larger changes and the prioritized work will be work that has overlap for midnight changes behind the scenes because that’s their best dollar to labor value
proud cosmos
i would tell the blizzard developers go watch some god damn AVGN / civive 11 vid...
If WoW sucked that much, everyone would go back to ff14 again 😄
tribal wharf
im old man, i want games about killing nazi and such
demons
some mother fucker
who really deserves it
frosty mango
So world of Wolfenstein?
solid sun
Do you think the void don’t deserve it
tribal wharf
ah yes, featuring grok
solid sun
They kinda bad
frosty mango
Maybe wow works differently but I’d be absolutely shocked if they had more than like, 10-12 core devs on tww right now
tribal wharf
from e3l9, mecha hitler
i want there to be significant maguffins a bout the void, and there is some total asshole
that deserves to die, because hes a prick
and when you do get to him, hes mad
hes not a total pushover
he has to be over the top unbearable
frosty mango
Metzen is back so at the end of the day sylvanas will come back, hold hands with thrall and anduin, and vanquish the big bad
Also khadgar will prob be there
Illidan will also return and maybe the titans too
outer hazel
You also shouldn't underestimate how inflexible and risk averse a software provider with a large client base can be. Changing or trying things is always a big cost or risk or both
neon elk
Khadgar will defo return with some stupid ass quest requirements
proud cosmos
on a wheelchair 😦
frosty mango
You also shouldn't underestimate how inflexible and risk averse a software provi...
Exactly my point. People are paying so why are we changing
frosty mango
on a wheelchair 😦
You know if he can summon an arcane wheelchair
Couldn’t he just summon like an arcane mech suit
proud cosmos
yeah
frosty mango
Instead of sitting on his ass in town?
solid sun
Sitting is more comfortable
tribal wharf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk3pKHCOevM this is some old ass anime RPG game i played long ago but im thinking along lines of this
solid sun
Have you never been sucked into a void talisman before? Sitting is optimal recovery
heavy sparrow
ah yes, featuring grok
Jeez. I just saw that on the toilet this morning
frosty mango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk3pKHCOevM this is some old ass anime RPG game ...
Grandia is goated
tribal wharf
i actually love that combat system
where you are playing it like its turnbased timer (cant remember correct term)
frosty mango
Xenogears has the best combat system
tribal wharf
but your dudes run around and where and what you cast matters because it might fire forwards or around but you cant control where you end up
that game has shitty combat balance but its combat mechanics are fun
young gyro
So with Blizzard posting in the prot warrior thread we read your feedback and are ignoring it what are we looking at this season?
frosty mango
So with Blizzard posting in the prot warrior thread we read your feedback and ar...
What key levels are you typically running
tribal wharf
final boss puts every possible buff on himself to stats, including speed, meaning he will cast 4x as fast if you let him get stacks up, boss is tough on hard
young gyro
What key levels are you typically running
None to be honest I raid heroic as a tank.
frosty mango
None to be honest I raid heroic as a tank.
Then most likely nothing is going to change for you
solid sun
Then none of it matters
tribal wharf
thats a very easy game
young gyro
So its only keys getting messed with?
tribal wharf
even on hard mode, basically no challengee
frosty mango
So its only keys getting messed with?
No but if you’re not running keys and you only raid heroic then functionally nothing will really change for you
Spec will probably change some but you won’t really approach anything differently
Well your spec will definitely change some because it’s a new tree but I digress
young gyro
Ok fair enough. Ya Ive never been one to really push keys cant get a stable group so I just do some lower keys as people need em and thats it.
frosty mango
Then my unironic advice is to ignore the doomers and if you find pwar enjoyable, live your best life
I’m gonna get back to dooming now
urban bane
oh did they remove doggy bleed from hoa
tribal wharf
i didnt play grandia 1 just 2, but i did also play the hd remaster of it
young gyro
Have had this warrior since 04 so Im on and off as to what I do with her either Prot or Arms. Still never played her Fury.
solid sun
@undone beacon are you going to pull all of the outside portion of hoa
Like back in the day
tight hinge
oh did they remove doggy bleed from hoa
nah its there
ornate thicket
Anyone got link to ptr talents they doing keys with?
urban bane
tight hinge
my old friend 😭
tribal wharf
couldnt pay me a million dollars to do halls of attonement again
and i dont have a million dollars and i could use it
still wouldnt do it
there is no circum stance i ever run that place ever again as keystone
maybe if its +2
that and de other side
ornate thicket
Is whirling blade ever worth taking or is the proc of it just proccing at horrible scenarios vs going ravager and having control over a large pull?
dusky canopy
my old friend 😭
Twilight dev was the goat of the expact ngl
tribal wharf
never ever again, for any reason never ever
tight hinge
oh mb, that gushing wound is actually the debuff the dogs are putting on me in hoa lol
not the friendly corruptoin
tribal wharf
boss 3 and 4 are idiot pug killers
and all that trash inbetween, even more with the cannon nerfs
frosty mango
Twilight dev was the goat of the expact ngl
Ngl I stan twilight dev
I get clowned but I get 99s
tight hinge
it's the gentlemen's choice
tight hinge
big lazer > stupid stats
undone beacon
<@165255621468356608> are you going to pull all of the outside portion of hoa
Of course. And then I’m gonna die and blame the healer too
solid sun
Of course. And then I’m gonna die and blame the healer too
Perfect
ebon geyser
so im trying to understand some of the stuff for prot, we not going thane in s3? or we do?
just trying to familiarize with the most likely talent tree
frigid valley
there is no content where hero talent matters, play whatever u prefer
ebon geyser
cool. i took spell one out of my bars to get used to not havinng it
frigid valley
i mean, tuning isnt final, can even change 1 week after release, there's different fights where different hero talents shines.
Theres just to many variables.
Get familiar with warrior and not the hero talents, there's very little playstyle diff rather than gcd fillers
dusky canopy
Ngl I stan twilight dev
Bro I should do the same honestly
oblique quarry
The stat corruption being the best one is super lame. Although, I do remember that I went arms for raid in bfa so I could just stack the haste corruption and not have rng damage. I don’t think blizzard could have done it in a way that made me happy haha
fathom raven
what is Ionizing Strike ???
dusky canopy
The proc from the new thane tierset bonus in the next patch
dusky canopy
@nimchip
Why my ping not finding nim
Need to ask him if I should go for quest cape in osrs
So close to quest cape..
+1 runecrafting
+1 thieving
+2 slayer
+9 firemaking
frosty mango
@lusty grotto
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto ahh there we go
normal rampart
I feel like I am pressing IP too much, but that might be because I am doing low keys and not taking enough damage to gobble up the IP bubble
In higher keys does IP get consumed faster because the dmg is higher? Or should I just focus revenge more?
chilly brook
I feel like I am pressing IP too much, but that might be because I am doing low ...
Both of those questions are a yes
IP is a button you press to not cap on rage
don't think of it as something you need to have 100%
maiden forge
we'd still press it if even if it only just ate rage
it feeds your excess rage into the AM rage feedback loop
warm plinth
The stat corruption being the best one is super lame. Although, I do remember th...
True warriors run twilight dev
Aesthetic > dps
I don't even track IP. It's not necessary.
pallid quiver
I track u
lilac widget
im back with another question about this dastardly trinket
the tome
what does the number mean on the WA?
what number should i press it at etc
mighty valley
is it in sword mode? if yes, good
is it not in sword mode? press button
it stacks on taking damage and flips automatically at 50 stacks
but the defensive part isn't very strong so we generally just try and keep it in offensive mode as much as possible
idle copper
Got picked up by the DK for awkwards pulls
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1Qy7rW9PhxAzwfv8?fight=last
I think it was them that pinged for me to go left after the first boss - wasnt their key
Didnt feel like there was any priority dmg getting done so some pulls sat killing the birds (around first boss) which felt "awkward"?
First pull after dropping down I didnt immediately pull the 2nd pack as 2 DPS still hadnt reached the ground - DK pinged again
I pinged where i was going on the drop down after the 2nd boss - I was still rounding up when the DK aggrod and died
I messed up my interrupt on the 3rd from last pull so couldnt group the 2 caster mobs - was kinda hoping someone else would have thought to get the interupt ( I usually get it) or the DK could have gripped?
I thought I had paced it ok, x3 of the groups were 660's geared and hadnt timed rook on 12s before we started (checked before I started) , I felt DPS was low after the first 1 or 2 pulls, and I had noticed the groups health was dropping lower than usual after the 2nd pull. Again so thought I had paced accordingly?
lilac widget
so If the Wa icon is shield and shining i press it regardless of anything else?
@mighty valley
second unrelated question what talent can i drop to pick up disrupting shout?
fair linden
second unrelated question what talent can i drop to pick up disrupting shout?
Indomitable
mighty valley
so If the Wa icon is shield and shining i press it regardless of anything else?
Don't even worry if it's shining, just flip to sword mode whenever you can
mighty valley
i'd drop indomitable and show of force and take battering ram and disrupting
indom ain't what it used to be
lilac widget
okidoke, so if the icon shows the swords i never press it?
sorry, im just trying to make absolutely sure im using it correctly
mighty valley
nope, that would switch to shield mode
lilac widget
ait got it, thankyou
sorry way my brain works i have to have info, straight in my mind
i've got it now 🙂
lilac widget
hahaah
about to hit 3k 🙂
know thats probably nothing for you guys
but for me feel like its a big achieve, only really started m+ this season
mighty valley
that's sick, congrats!
sure there are big pushers here but 3k is still high for the average wow player haha
mighty valley
the top teams on planet earth have cracked 4k
frosty mango
curious as to whats the ceiling now
4k ish
tribal wharf
ya, its an ELO system
mighty valley
no it's not
tribal wharf
elo systems cap out around 4k
has there ever been a 5k team?
and 1 to like 600,means nothing
i figured this out watching family play card games online,
mighty valley
you can't just say stuff man
ocean finch
Anyone have some solid routes for S2 with prot warr?
Started playing my pwarr now as an alt, and I would like som solid routes when we start going higher on key levels
mighty valley
it's not an elo system and the highest chess elo rating of all time is lower than 3000
mighty valley
please do actual research and don't just ask the chatbot that's wrong all the time
mellow bridge
has there ever been a 5k team?
yes, in bfa
tribal wharf
cuz theres even like formulas for how you can reach 2k easier, you do 2 16s of this and 15 on these 2 with 2 stars and then you can do this one thats bad on a 9
i'd say its very close to ELO
mighty valley
elo systems involve two competitors with scores being compared and their ratings change based on who wins or loses
m+ score just gives you points for doing dungeons
tribal wharf
right, so i say its an elo system that you don't go down in score in
tribal wharf
but then also, you can play worst game of your life, and get carried in a 15, and time it, and it still counts for points
frosty mango
but then also, you can play worst game of your life, and get carried in a 15, an...
Counts even if you don’t time it
tribal wharf
and nobody will know, or know that your groups broke apart 8 other times that week
frosty mango
M+ rating is a two dimensional bracketed scoring system based on a Boolean and a percentage. You get a flat number of points for the range plus an amount which is on a scale determined by how quickly you completed the dungeon
So if you time a 16 with exactly 0 left you’d get I think 425 points
Or it might be 375 I can’t remember exactly anyways there’s a nice round number that gets augmented by your time
keen plank
ITT: People who don't know what an Elo system is ( also not that it's not an acronym 😂 )
tribal wharf
well, i think you said that right, i think you get a shit load less points for not timing key, and it shows as you didnt time it, so i dont think that part is directly comparable
cuz its like a car fax
i crashed this car,
mighty valley
ITT: People who don't know what an Elo system is ( also not that it's not an acr...
yeah it bugged me that chatgpt capitalized it like an acronym lol
frosty mango
I think IO would be FAR better if the scoring were based on number of timed keys in a range and not just if it were timed at all
A person with 400 completed 15s will be on paper worse than a person with 8 completed 16s but in reality the lower IO person here is almost certainly a better pick
sharp merlin
Agreed ^
mighty valley
"reflect skill of player" is only one of the goals of a rating system though
sharp merlin
But you have people who won’t join a key unless it gives them rio
tribal wharf
i think there should be like, more so the postiive part of it, but the thing after a league of legends game, you can mark a few players as being helpful friendly whatever
mighty valley
and to a game developer, one of the less important goals lol
tribal wharf
i dont play league any more but i know about that game fairly well
frosty mango
i think there should be like, more so the postiive part of it, but the thing aft...
They have this in ff14 it’s meaningless
sharp merlin
There could be an elo system but it doesn’t work pve
frosty mango
If they did it in wow it would be even more meaningless lol
tribal wharf
yogi don't tallk about league of legend days, dark times
i think it should be there to be displayed along side the elo, i mean IO
these things where X players have said oh hey i trust this guy
keen plank
Glicko is better for team based ratings anyway. 😉
keen plank
Right, so Elo wouldn't work either. Lol.
mighty valley
that's what i've been sayyyyyyyyying
solid sun
It’s crazy how we’re never getting nerfed again @frosty mango
frosty mango
It’s crazy how we’re never getting nerfed again <@228540157333078016>
True and real
solid sun
Pretty soon we won’t need io to justify being picked. Just by virtue of playing the only spec that’s never getting nerfed again we will be the best pick
tribal wharf
True and real
to the ground
lime urchin
Play with friends instead of picking rio!
narrow ether
it is such a 
to play with friends!
ornate thicket
Has anyone messed around with ptr keys and tried whirling blade over ravager?
frosty mango
Whirling blade currently goated
But has not seen any tuning
But if it stays like it is whirling blade will likely be the play I think
undone beacon
Thats kinda the vibe. You get more ravager, at the cost of controlling when you get it
ornate thicket
I want to believe itd be more dmg overall for general use
frosty mango
Ravager isnt really a damage tool directly
It’s more of a gather and rage gen tool
Currently the ppm of whirling blade outweighs the gather tooling of ravager because it gives you a lot of rage imo
If they cut the procs on it I could see it becoming an actual choice
S3 doesn’t really have any super shit gather dungeons tho except for priory
ornate thicket
Thats good info
I want to run roar with thunderous words and bloodborne also to get more utility out of fueld by violence
undone lake
right now on live, how much of a dps loss is to play mounthain thane?
frosty mango
It’s not massive
9-11% I’d guess?
It’s enough to make a difference but not enough for you to be a meme
undone lake
oh, reasonable so
slender bison
right now on live, how much of a dps loss is to play mounthain thane?
Unless you're stuck at 3.7k and need the shockwave knock up, then MT is viable
undone lake
im down to lose 10% dps to have more fun than (oh, demolish big damage happy me) gameplay
slender bison
im down to lose 10% dps to have more fun than (oh, demolish big damage happy me)...
Reach 3.4k first, then check Colossus in that case
mighty valley
they play basically the same except colossus has to think 5% more
about your rage bar
undone lake
Reach 3.4k first, then check Colossus in that case
i dont care about io farm that much. 3k is enough for me
ill keep doing my 12s
slender bison
MT is more fluid, it's fun, and can get you into 3k just by spamming TC and not dying to tankbusters
undone lake
there is a build for me to test? i could check murlok but idk if will be any in there
mighty valley
it's basically the same as colossus, just switch to unstoppable force and pick up thunderlord