protection

[warped stag]

im not running 22 keys

but you know "meta" matters on pugs, thats a fact

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[warped stag]

yea, same feeling

[agile elbow]

Just play what you want. Problem solved.

[lusty grotto]

[agile elbow]

[narrow ether]

blizz pls improve MT tier set

i love clappin

[warped stag]

true..

[warm plinth]

we crossed the threshold pog

even though I'm hacking smh

[lusty grotto]

[bleak breach]

Gonna feel weird playing colossus in bleed build with auto ravager

We will press like 4 buttons

Auto rav looks hot though

Seems to proc on your target if I’m correct? Wonder if that means you’re a chance to proc it on a mob with a heroic throw lol

[zenith aurora]

those who play arms/fury too, how do you prio stats and gear etc. do you have two sets or is there a sweet spot where you can craft with specific stats that hit all?

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure arms has the same stat priority that we do. Fury would be a bit more complicated i guess but generally I'd focus more on the dps spec stats

We can run with any stats

[jagged gust]

arms and prot want same stats, and fury still loves haste so all the specs work pretty well with the same gear, rings and neck basically control your stat spread so if you wanna min/max just get a second neck+ring so you can drop some crit for fury

[zenith aurora]

ah yeah i see now, that's good to know thanks.

Do we think nelf still gonna be the go next season even with meld pot?

[jagged gust]

The eternal question, dwarf or nelf season

meld pot shares a cd with your battle pot I assume

Every skip is gonna start costing you dps

[zenith aurora]

trying to decide if i want to race change now to practice

[narrow ether]

personally i focus more of my progression gameplay in m+ so its auto nelf for me, even with meld pot since it shares cd with dps pot

also could have the option do some weird double meld skips

[edgy prairie]

is there anyway to put thunderous roar and avatar in same macro without losing the damage bonus provided by avatar?

like if i cast them simultaneously, do i get the damage boost

[jagged gust]

depends on the order of the macro

[edgy prairie]

right now its #showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/cast Thunderous Roar

but I believe it's casting them at the same exact time

[jagged gust]

you can check your logs to verify

[edgy prairie]

and I'm bad/don't like 400 keybinds

[edgy prairie]

yeah im not that smart tbh only running this for my triple threat

[narrow ether]

cast sequence macro maybe?

[edgy prairie]

is there a way to macro "cast this and then cast this"

like should i do /cast avatar, thunderous roar

instead of /cast /cast

[jagged gust]

i dont think so, but don't worry about it

[edgy prairie]

im just gonna use the dummies

[jagged gust]

if you're just looking to condense buttons to make getting the title easier honestly just macro avatar into shield slam

[edgy prairie]

thats smart tbh

[jagged gust]

you want to cast it on CD and avatar descyncs from TR due to anger management

[edgy prairie]

i hadnt considered that

my idea didnt even make sense cause of cdr lol

[jagged gust]

yeah no worries, i wasn't even thinking about that at first lol

honestly everything we cast is better when macro'd with shield slam

I think I just slapped shield slam into every single off-gcd ability I had at some point

[edgy prairie]

yeah i saw some people put ignore pain on it

[jagged gust]

yeppers, catches me off guard every one in a while though

[zenith aurora]

yeah ive just gone ahead and done it tbh worst case i swap back

[hardy snow]

all other effects procs from attacks works, so I guess this will work as well

[normal rampart]

Yes you can see it on any mob or dummy

Just reverse the order and you’ll see tr do way less dmg

[round cliff]

if i skipped this TW week

but did the last 2

ill still be able to get the event mount by the end right

[jagged pier]

u cant miss another week but yes

[round cliff]

my ass straight up hardcore raidlogged this week

no vault

[jagged pier]

u still got time

and u only need to do 1 dungeon

[round cliff]

i dont think theres anything in the m+ pool

that could possibly b an upgrade for me

rn

[jagged pier]

i ment timewalking

[violet ginkgo]

not even a piece that can be catalyzed?

[jagged pier]

u only need 1 dungeon

and they take like 10 mins

[round cliff]

u need 4 if u dont have the buff

[jagged pier]

u just do it on the person u last got the buff with

its reapplies

[round cliff]

yea thats my warrior

[jagged pier]

dont tell em u arent just letting it sit on 1 char

[round cliff]

buff ran out days ago

[jagged pier]

why would u ever do it on your main char

[round cliff]

im not cuz i dont have the random drop TW mount

so i dont mind doing more

esp during event

i should finish my mount run this week thou...

but i have to do shadowlands next

not feeling like running 2 sl raids solo

when i need to b up in 5 hrs

[frozen silo]

What event mount

[round cliff]

timewalking

[frozen silo]

O I think I’m cooked

[jagged pier]

i think there are 5 weeks left including this one

ends on the 12th

i think

check ingame calender

[sharp merlin]

in Pull 2 on Flood, something trucks me, is it the fire dmg?

Ez throw dynamite?

and do I need to meld skip bubbles? I feel like I need to change to Nelf, from Human

sigh

[jagged pier]

or die

[sharp merlin]

nah, can't be dying 😂

[jagged pier]

death skip is just a slightly slower skip than meld

[sharp merlin]

But if i'm doing 17's etc, I'm gonna need to be nelf, right?

or am I totally wrong?

[jagged pier]

u dont have to be anything

8th prot in the world is orc

[sharp merlin]

Well that's good to know

[jagged pier]

and 6th and 7th as well

melding makes the skips easier but u can still death skip them

u dont ever need to be a certain race

[mild river]

Could be that but still you shouldn't take that much damage bc basically is all physical damage there

[sharp merlin]

My health goes down from 100% to 40% lol, with SB and SW up

[mild river]

Wtf?

[sharp merlin]

I think it might be the fire

[neon elk]

Also dont race change to nelf irrc they are bringing meld pot next season and race changing for few weeks is kinda stinky imho

[zenith aurora]

It seems to be all Chinese realm warriors are orc, are they actually or is it an api thing? If they’re all orc I wonder why or if no reason just vibes.

[strong forum]

the chinese always just vibe

they have a diff meta alltogether

[pallid quiver]

They have their own whole ass meta game

[strong forum]

arms warrior for example is incredibly popular in china (not necessarily right now but historically)

or frost mage

[pallid quiver]

just goes to show that even our meta isn't 100% THE TRUE ONE WAY TO PLAY

and you really can just play what you want and do well

[zenith aurora]

I remember seeing early season one of the top key pushing teams had an orc unholy in China, mad vibes

[mellow bridge]

pretty sure it's just api shenanigans fwiw

this seems a bit difficult, yknow

or this

dunno if it's a blizz or a rio thing, but Orc is the default race there

[jagged pier]

ither way theres a dwarf further down that list, so having to be a night elf for a 17 is still a no which is what pom was asking

[high latch]

China doesn't have a public armory, so r.io doesn't know their race and defaults to orc

[zenith aurora]

Wonder what they’re using for real

[pallid quiver]

I think those Demon Hunters are either Night Elf or Blood Elf 🙂

[sharp merlin]

How do you skip the Bloodwarper?

[left meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw7wyxi87xo

one google search away

[sharp merlin]

Oh man

[left meteor]

Usually people toggle RP walk for this

for more control

but it really is just walking along the line and clicking the crate

next patch you dont have to do that anymore

[sharp merlin]

Sweet

[sharp merlin]

hmm, how would one skip the knight pack there?

[patent scroll]

Probably just rush the fountain and skip both patrols like that?

tbh sounds kinda ass because you need to watch out that the first 4 don't social them either

[sharp merlin]

Got a good route which is easy not to mess up? 😄 ahaha

[patent scroll]

Do you need to skip all knights?

If so just invis the start

[sharp merlin]

I just want a route which can be timed - and won't be 'oh this route sucks, we won't time this' on +16 and above

cause everyone seems to think the route is the difference, not the dps

[civic yew]

Should be waiting for my demolish stacks before pressing avatar?

[neon elk]

Unless its first pull u should always have demo stacks up before next ava comes

[civic yew]

So essentially keep track of ava cooldown and line them up

[sharp merlin]

When something dies mid Demolish

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[karmic plinth]

only hold either for like 5 s

[civic yew]

ok thank you

[round cliff]

guys i lost the 50/50 on fufu

im cooked

[mellow bridge]

fufu?

[warm fulcrum]

Honest question, Ringing Ritual Mud or Tome of light's Devotion w/ Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker.

[torn gulch]

depends if you feel you need an extra defensive cooldown

if you don't you play tome of you do you play mud

[warm fulcrum]

Typically not, as I don't push much beyond 14's.

[torn gulch]

then tome and pacemaker

is your answer

[warm fulcrum]

thank you very much!

[torn gulch]

with tome in sword mode at all times but i suppose you already know that

[warm fulcrum]

Yeah, getting a wa to track

[undone beacon]

i hate tome because i am a warrior and cannot read and hate that it summons a book to remind me i am illiterate

[torn gulch]

zug zug

[urban bane]

that's the fun thing about being illiterate -- it doesn't stop people from hiding behind the authority of a book

[idle copper]

the two guys at the back do you have to pull them down by the southern step? - as in so they'll path down by the southern steps?

[urban bane]

[frosty mango]

Is it vault time yet

[frosty mango]

I always took tome to be a picture book

“It’s a graphic novel bro”

[undone beacon]

me reading my mid-combat pop-up alphabet book

[idle copper]

https://tenor.com/view/boot-adinodine-gif-20721757

[pastel summit]

Hm. Do you ideally have tome in defensive mode before boss is pulled then use it to active the bonus?

[ocean smelt]

Well yes but not if you have to stay in defensive mode for like half a pack just to make it happen

[sinful copper]

I thought u were a bear, not a warrior

[undone beacon]

hush

[undone beacon]

i am both

and both are illiterate

[pastel summit]

It'd be like raid pre pull stuff.

[sinful copper]

Yeah but more acceptable for a bear to be illiterate

[undone beacon]

[ocean smelt]

Oh then yes, you can unequip it and put it on again to make it reset

[pastel summit]

Ohhh, so you can. Perfect. Thanks.

[ocean smelt]

👍

[wicked jungle]

Hello peeps, I'm prepping for S3 and I'm starting to look at prot warr as it is within my tank pool for next season. Can you point at any resources to start learning how to approach the class in a "more fast-paced" way? Video guides with details which might be recommended or specific guides, perhaps tips on which hero talent to learn with for starters

Thanks!

[neon elk]

Wowhead has pretty nice guide , but that depends how new you are to pwar and tanking in general

[kind urchin]

Missed a 14 ToP by 30 seconds. I strongly feel that the 10 avoidable deaths we had may be a contributing factor.

[neon elk]

As for hero talents , i would say they MT is better with low haste , colosus with low haste feels slow/ rage starwed when not played perfectly , but both are very viable

[wicked jungle]

I am new to pwarr, been tanking for the better part of the last 13 years, recently only BDK and Prot Paladin

[neon elk]

Well the just check wowhead for rotation /prio and u are pretty much set

[fading forge]

Coming back for 11.2, is the disc belt thing going to be bis for S3 or are we replacing it at some point like we did with the circlet ring?

[wicked jungle]

I will go with this approach I guess. Thank you very much!

I was told it is "easier" than prot paladin because of the party/raid utility and the "unique" tasks that paladin is relegated to handle, mostly

[torn gulch]

we will most likely replace it

either at hero track level or myth track level

[fading forge]

ok so not really worth it then. saves me some grinding then

[torn gulch]

the belt is not really grinding

takes 15-20 min to obtain and 5 min for each step

so around 45 min in total

[fading forge]

gotcha thanks

[idle copper]

how many weeks until S3?

[neon elk]

Yea i would say its easier than ppal , if i had to compare it i would say its bit harder gdudu, but i might be biased

[torn gulch]

4

actually 5 but now season 3 tehnically starts on the day of the patch

which means m0 gives 681 upgreadable

you can craft 675 ilvl with weathered

you'll get a choice of hero track items in vault

for week 2

etc tec

[nocturne spindle]

we also get hero items from doing tazvesh in hard mode week 1?

[torn gulch]

no

[nocturne spindle]

i think thats what the post implied

[torn gulch]

hard mode is opened week 2 now

with m+

[nocturne spindle]

where does it say that?

[torn gulch]

Week of August 5

Campaign Chapters 1–3
Dungeons: Dungeons on Normal, Heroic, and Mythic 0 difficulties (excluding Tazavesh).
Delves (all tiers, no Bountiful Delves or Keys)
Great Vault credit begins

[nocturne spindle]

most recent thing i see says this:

Tazavesh M0 is Hard Mode by default and is available on August 5 with the start of Season 3—both wings will be available in Heroic Group Finder, and drop Hero track gear.

[torn gulch]

Week of August 12

Campaign Chapter 4 and The War Within Epilogue
Manaforge Omega Raid: Raid Finder Wing 1, Normal, Heroic, and Mythic difficulties
New World Boss: Reshanor, The Unteathered
Dungeons: Mythic+ difficulty, Tazavesh: Street of Wonder and Soleah's Gambit (all difficulties), and Tazavesh, the **Veiled City Har Mode difficulty**.
Season 3 PvP
Delves: Bountiful Delves and Keys, Challenge Boss, New Levels and Curios for Brann
Great Vault rewards become available

see in bold

[nocturne spindle]

lmao

says differnt times in the same patch notes

so dumb

[torn gulch]

that i've seen

intern put the wrong info in

kekw

[wicked jungle]

The C in Blizzard stands for consistency

[torn gulch]

basically in week one of the patch you'll do 8 m0 and tier 8 delves to get 6 hero track choices in vault

and open world stuff

i suspect the thought having access to hero track gear week one of the patch was too strong
so they moved hard mode to raid week

[sick sentinel]

so kira dh says vdh ,, prot warr and brew will be s tier tanks in s3, with brew and warr doing most dps

he also said brew reqquires about twice as much healing to keep him up vs prot warior

but he also said brew is doing more damage than warrior especialy on single target

kira said the meta in s3 might be to do smaller pulls with brew/warrior and it seems doing the smaller pulls is doing dungeons faster than big pulls with cleave and safer too

[frigid valley]

the man didnt know how stagger worked 10 days ago. i wouldnt really care what these ppl say

[wicked jungle]

That's a harsh take

[sick sentinel]

but kiradh is the top guy in raider io

[wicked jungle]

But all class talk is kinda subjective so

[sick sentinel]

kira is doing 22 keys

[wicked jungle]

This shouldn't be the benchmark tool

[frigid valley]

that just means he has alot of free time.
there's no verdict to be made on what classes will come out on top especially since week1 tuning hasnt been made

its literally 🎱 rn

[next axle]

Has anyone tried a full myth viscera in raid?

The TOP trinket

It is simming higher than pacemaker for me just slightly

[torn gulch]

isn't that trinket simbait?

[next axle]

I am not sure, that is why I was asking

[torn gulch]

i remember hearing that the trinket is simbait but i am not 100% sure

[jagged pier]

It never got its dps scaling reduced for tanks

But generally pacemaker is better

Also depends on talents and such

[bright steppe]

If you are interested in brew, check out Sha. He mains brew and dabbles in pwar.

I have mained brew in keys since DF and just geared my pwar for S3. My take is brew is good, just requires more effort to do the same as pwar for me. Brew is more fun though.

[nocturne spindle]

I think sims might also act like you have some procs of the being below 35% for double damage thing or whatever it is a viscera

[slender bison]

Sha is definitely the BrM guy. No tier lists in week 2 PTR with click bait pointy thumbnails and he actually explains stuff or dungeon runs

His take for PTR is that BrM has more damage than S2, but kinda requires more healer awareness so far and hp starts behaving like a BDK in some BrM builds

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure we can make this conclusion yet

Warrior fbv healing hasn’t been tuned and it’s unlikely it makes it to live in its current state

Unless they tuned it today

And none of that takes into account control which is what always determines the meta, not damage

Otherwise vdh would never be meta

[urban bane]

yea, there's been practically no tuning to much yet.

[mighty valley]

some exceptions, like bdk with jailer gavel LOL

but yeah, generally it's group buffs + mob control

[frosty mango]

Bdk has huge control they just can’t live lol

[slender bison]

Sorry, but which tank kills the Underpin is the meta

[mighty valley]

that's... that's impossible...

[urban bane]

even for a computer!

[slender bison]

NA guys, can anyone check if https://www.wowhead.com/npc=183737/xyrath-the-covetous spawned today?

Curious for EU if we have it tomorrow for some sick xmog runs

[ebon geyser]

when can i start opening stuff in prot, i know sometimes some wait until they have certain items and just wanted to make sure

[slender bison]

Like right now. Do it

[lime urchin]

opening as prot sounds like a dps loss to me

[frosty mango]

Depends

[dusky canopy]

You use these already??

[frosty mango]

Open as prot until you have myth weap, myth shield, myth tome imo

Something something my opinion

[ebon geyser]

so i will not get a mythic track item at all

because i dont do mythic

my weapon

[slender bison]

You can get hero weapon from visions or some 1st bountiful high tier delves

Or x4 mythics for cartel gear

[normal rampart]

Champ gear from nightfall scenario, “free” 658 crafted weapon from story mode gally, +2s give heroic vault, and cartel coins

Plus 2 heroic items per week with timewalking which is awesome

Lots of quick gear right now

[elder sentinel]

Can craft a 681 weapon after two weeks of bountiful delves too. 50 gilded a week, 30 from doing em and 20 from the hidden iirc

[normal rampart]

658 ring from siren isle

[ebon geyser]

you mean here the coin?

[round cliff]

remember to delete the siren isle ring once u get it

[ebon geyser]

i also need a shield lol i just realized i sold mine...

[round cliff]

the replacement ring is a separate item so since u technically have 2 658 rings now ur 2nd ring is free to upgrade to 658

hot tips from hot fruit

[normal rampart]

🤣

[round cliff]

im not joking u know

[normal rampart]

Ahhh
Delete it, get it again, so now it’s crest free upgrades?

That is a hot tip

[round cliff]

yar

the ring u get initially and the replacement after deleting it are 2 separate item ids

so game thinks you have 2 658 rings

thus, all ur rings are free to upgrade up to 658

[normal rampart]

Love it, wish I knew that earlier

[ebon geyser]

would u say that making shield and weapon is a good goa;?

[mighty valley]

if you've got cash to spend this late in the season, crafting shield + weap is very reasonable

[ebon geyser]

you mean gold for mats?

[mighty valley]

yeah

[ebon geyser]

yeah i might do that , maybe someting else but idk

[frosty mango]

Shield is the best piece you can do

Crafting is cheap currently but prices will go up significantly probably in a few weeks

So if you’re gonna craft I’d do it now

[ebon geyser]

im just having problems with valorstones, im maxed..

and idk what to use them on

[mighty valley]

what level of content are you doing

[ebon geyser]

none at the momment just gearing slowly after firing up the game on sat

i hat ethis game sometimes

[wary gyro]

at least next season they confirmed there wont be cloaks in the pool

[crude nimbus]

what belt effect is everyone using for prot warr?

[slim dove]

critical chain

Spark burst is fine too

[ebon geyser]

finally lol

[ebon geyser]

made shield and might make wrist tomorrow and just try and get some better gear

ty for the help all

[jade hazel]

Wait really? That’s amazing

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto all 24 gmod attempts

Dry

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[neon elk]

Do we know what ilvl will drop from preseason stuff ? Apart from m0 , like hc dungs world stuff delves etc

[dusky canopy]

Didn’t we get normal ilvl stuff this season during questing week?

Probably the same id imagine

[slender bison]

It had a > 5% drop so that's kinda insane tbh

So says the casino mafs

[dusky canopy]

Yep 1/20

Didn’t get it on 24 kills

Lmao

[neon elk]

I have like 50 anzu kills this week ..

[dusky canopy]

I mean I’m the guy who went 12 whole ass years dry on garr binding so it adds up

[slender bison]

Damn

[dusky canopy]

Surely I get gmod and mimron during this event

[neon elk]

Im still convincing myself to farm icc

[slender bison]

Honestly, easiest is Antorus hound mount. Second is Firelands since you get the feather buff and jump to Ragnaros after fire bird boss

The rest ... Maybe midnight

[neon elk]

I wont even start legion stuff, they are bringing legion remix and i hope i will buy there everything like it was on mop

[slender bison]

Legion is kinda easy, just get monk/druid runs

Eonar sucks, but eh

+Legion has sick class xmogs so there's that

[neon elk]

Gotta do other stuff first , and i dont wanna realy burn myself on mount farming , there is like few on list i realy want rest is optional

[echo egret]

How are we looking now on the PTR ? How is the dungeon pool design fitting with our loss of SpB ?

[neon elk]

From what ive seen warr look quite good rn

Maybe too good ngl

[crude nimbus]

looking REALLY good, expect a nerf

[neon elk]

Like only weeknes looks to be high dtps on st/small pulls where u are in hands of healer

Big aoe u dont even need healer

[mighty valley]

They giga nerfed the scary magic tankbusters, we're good

but yeah, overall performance will likely get tuned

[vocal cave]

is ptr down again?

[echo egret]

Thx for the info - then there is community perception, everyone saw the big nerf and might not accept we are fine despite this.

Still, I wonder how we'll fare in HoA with the crapton of casters.

[mighty valley]

Same way we did last time

well, we have more cc and an aoe interrupt this time around

so it'll be easier than last time

[echo egret]

"complain on forums until they give us SpB ?" ?

[shut summit]

hopefully they just make the trash bolt the DPS/healer like most casters do now

then it's not our problem

[echo egret]

I also pray they remove this insulting 4% talent.

[nocturne spindle]

i mean if the casters are doing dps health levels of damage

it wont really hurt us too badly

[vocal cave]

which one, there's 3 of them

[echo egret]

lmao

[neon elk]

What im kinda sad about are trinkets , looks like ill be hunting same 2 we had this season

[vocal cave]

sacbrood tho

[mighty valley]

it's a choice node, you can ignore it

[shut summit]

definitely staying for at least rest of this xpac

[echo egret]

GG Blizz

How to say you have no clue about tanking, without saying you have no clue about tanking.

[neon elk]

Yea sacbrood .. forget about that

[nocturne spindle]

theres that one tank trinket that does good damage now though

the like 15 second stack one

[echo egret]

"Vicious Gargon no longer cast Jagged Swipe or Jaws of Stone"
Was that the stupid bleed that forced us to kite a lot ?

[neon elk]

Might be stupid question but will we still play shield charge ? Without extra nodes it kinda loses charm, and it could open some nice exe build , or we still need it for Sb ? Bear in mind i didnt play any ptr nor did i do any math, its just a stupid question for someone smarter xd

[nocturne spindle]

need it for shield block uptime

[frosty mango]

It bakes some of it in now

[neon elk]

Tought so just wasnt sure , ty tho

[bleak breach]

You reckon there will be any time worth playing it?

Maybe get enough gain in some m+ situations with large packs? Dunno.

[chilly brook]

so much W

[lusty grotto]

[nocturne spindle]

I dunno what any of these dungeons do

i assume thats a bleed?

[maiden forge]

no, its a tail swipe

dont have to worry about hooking other people

[lusty grotto]

i dont remember any bleeds in gambit lol

dont give devs any ideas

[dusky canopy]

Wasn’t it where you would turn the bosses face and a melee would get smacked to narnia and die

[maiden forge]

ye

[dusky canopy]

Pretty sure that’s what they changed

[lusty grotto]

yea

[next trench]

hey guys im currentlyu doing 18's and i have a hero track bombsuit, is myth mud worth buying?

[lusty grotto]

no, hero is fine

since youll only use it for flood/priory

and you only want the cdr

[neon elk]

Yea that was definitely a good mechanic on boss where u have to rurn left and right and run and hope others will notice..

[lusty grotto]

unless you have absolutely nothing else to buy... then sure

[shut summit]

probably not

[next trench]

this is my setup i have 2 coins still

[lusty grotto]

i have 3

c:

not a raider i guess?

[bleak breach]

I burnt mine

[next trench]

nope, wont get gally kills anytime this season

[lusty grotto]

well im def buying pace this week if i dont get it in vault

[bleak breach]

Woweee, that’s stiff not to get it in vault yet.

[lusty grotto]

did you forget who youre talking to LOL

cursed vaults all seasons remember

[neon elk]

37 priory runs ?

[bleak breach]

I bought Titan of industry, The ring and eye of kezan

[neon elk]

Or how many was it ? xd

[narrow jay]

I bought pacemaker as soon as they allowed us to as I had not gotten in vault and still havnt

[lusty grotto]

no it was 48, i think

[bleak breach]

Fair

Only thing I’m missing is tier gloves at myth

[next trench]

so if bombsuit is only for priory/flodgate, what else should i buy? hero kezan or book?

[neon elk]

Are u prepared to do it again?

[bleak breach]

Which I’ve had heaps of times, but just had better stuff at the time.

[lusty grotto]

mud is good for priory/flood

because there's a lot of dot damage, and/or you need it for a specific boss (priory)

bombsuit is your def trinket anywhere else

[next trench]

oh youre saying going double defensive for those 2?

[lusty grotto]

no

im saying

priory or flood? use mud

any other dungeon that needs a defensive trinket? use bombsuit

thats it

[bleak breach]

Mud works well at start of Cinderbrew Toto

Too*

[lusty grotto]

ehhh

sure i guess, you can just zone out and swap it

but that bleed is manageable

[next trench]

how low does the cd get?

[lusty grotto]

1 min or less

[next trench]

ohh thats sick

[lusty grotto]

45s to 1 min

[next trench]

tyvm

[lusty grotto]

thats why its better than bombsuit but only on those specific scenarios

but again, a hero track will just do fine

im guessing you dont have 1ab kills either right?

if no 1ab kills then just buy whatever at this point heh

[next trench]

i dont raid at all with warr

[lusty grotto]

HoC does slap though

[next trench]

is mastery good at all is mine too low?

[lusty grotto]

of course it is

[neon elk]

Every stat is good

[lusty grotto]

we have a stat prio, but that doesnt mean the last in the order is dogshit

moreso when a HoC gives a massive amount of it that turns into AP

[next trench]

worth recrafting one of my rings to mastery?

or buying gally hero

[lusty grotto]

sim

for those questions

[next trench]

0.5% more with 2 mastery recrafts, what about survability wise? i feel like its non blockable dmg that hurts anyways

[shut summit]

Spellbreaker has been updated – Now has an 8% chance to affect a magic damage event, but reduces damage taken by 50%.

[lusty grotto]

mastery = ap that goes into IP

still doggy ass

i dont know why they think we want mit to be RNG

[neon elk]

Idk why but it feels like its even worse now xd

[lusty grotto]

my theory is they wanted to capture Spell block crit blocks on a single talent

but that just doesnt work on its own

[shut summit]

Colossus

Manaforge Omega 4-set bonus – Demolish increases the critical strike chance of your next 1 (was 2) Mortal Strike/Shield Slams by 100%.

Mountain Thane

Manaforge Omega 2-set bonus – Ionizing Strike damage increased by 725%.
Manaforge Omega 4-set bonus – Increases damage of Ionizing Strike by 100% (was 50%).

lol

[lusty grotto]

ok thane changes nice

uhhh

[shut summit]

725% is a number

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[neon elk]

Wtf did they forget a comma in that number or what

[shut summit]

no it was extremely dogshit

[jagged pier]

725%

[lusty grotto]

still 35% chance yeah?

[cerulean tusk]

Just want to say, devs are trolling on us purpose

[jagged pier]

And they still trying to make spellbreaker a thing

[cerulean tusk]

aight, aight.

[jagged pier]

[frosty holly]

Haha, and nerfing the sets for DPS also

Well not the thane one. But the others

[restive oak]

was the thane buff big enough? :p

[bleak breach]

Seems like colossus will still dramatically beat it

[urban bane]

Bro... that spell breaker change

[jagged pier]

725% of 0 is still 0.

[restive oak]

gets like 8x buff... still not as good :p

[bleak breach]

^

[urban bane]

I guess this is devs saying "Spell Breaker is here to stay you bastards"

[jagged pier]

All memes aside we dont know till we see the numbers

[bleak breach]

vs colossus directly affecting our single 2best abilities plus all bleeds which are kinda buffed

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/math-numbers-confused-when-he-say-hes-straight-what-gif-7675506

[nocturne spindle]

not nerfed hard yet wew

[restive oak]

why not battle shout increased by 3%

why mystic touch? :p

[lusty grotto]

my dad John Blizzard thought warriors loved to gamble

probably cause bshout doesnt have a strict restriction

[nocturne spindle]

physical comp boutta pop off

[lusty grotto]

AP affects melee based attacks

[restive oak]

true, is ap

[frosty mango]

They buffed it by 100% bro

[lusty grotto]

but also affects ap based magic shit

[frosty mango]

spell breaker new meta

[jagged pier]

Rng iz still rng

[restive oak]

we pull 2 packs at a time, but we delete stuff

[frosty mango]

8% of the time it works 100% of the time

[lusty grotto]

GUYS JUST GAMBLE

50% DR on a dice

[restive oak]

i like those odds

[lusty grotto]

725% on a 35% chance

[restive oak]

outlaw warrior

[frosty mango]

If they made it 8% chance to reflect 400% of the damage

[lusty grotto]

we should RP as outlaw rogues

[frosty mango]

We might be getting somewhere

[lilac basalt]

maybe Luck will be the prio secondary stat

[jagged pier]

No i fucking hate the tier sets this season for that reason

[lusty grotto]

fuck, you read my mind

[jagged pier]

No get 25% uptime during cds

Fuck u

[lusty grotto]

ye

🤷‍♂️

just dip your toe in some lava

surely it will make it proc

[pastel dew]

Lmao

Spellbreaker change what

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/d20-d8-dice-gif-9906108538656183010

sometimes you lose, other times you lose

[jagged pier]

I did try and soften the landing for you guys by saying spell blocking is most likely not coming back

But thats fine we ither skip the node or tske hunker down when needed

Simple

[frosty mango]

The ionizing strike change is pretty big

[lusty grotto]

why dont they just add "it will auto award you a very rare mount if it drops" i wonder

[frosty mango]

Prob test it tonight and throw up some logs

[pastel dew]

I mean, we're still a strong tank, are we not?

[sharp olive]

They're trying hahaha

[frosty mango]

There hasn’t really been any bad tanks this expansion

[pastel dew]

I mean this is true.

[frosty mango]

Relative to prior expansions even with the spellblock removal we’re still on good footing

Given the changes to dungeons I don’t really see our position changing, probably not meta, but big damage pumpers with good representation at the top end

That’s just my opinion though

[neon elk]

Would be fun to see brm as m+ meta ngl

[ember token]

each week they will be buffing it, until we get 100% proc with... 1% DR

[lusty grotto]

ty for your golden take

[frosty mango]

Remember that’s just my opinion

[restive oak]

i mean i feel it could be meta right now, community figures just lean into spell comp more

[lusty grotto]

idk you might be spreading misinformation here

[frosty mango]

The mystic touch change might shift meta a bit

[lusty grotto]

thank god i play with a monk

give me dam

[frosty mango]

I really want mistweaver to be meta, it brings so much damage

[lusty grotto]

yeah im also a mw enjoyer

[restive oak]

probably will prefer resto sham in phys comp

[frosty mango]

Having your healer throwing down 1-2m dps on ape pulls and a million on bosses is a massive amount of damage

[restive oak]

but we'll see

[frosty mango]

Yeah just bc melee heavy

[lusty grotto]

fuck that, bring Timmy the Ele

[random jacinth]

I like my brew tank, good buff

[restive oak]

but i mean you can build it alot of ways, depends

[frosty mango]

If dotc gets a good m+ spec setup i could see guardian being pretty big with mw

I usually play like 5 chars a season so idk

[lusty grotto]

i just wanna see meta shifts

kinda wild a change to mystic touch is all it takes

its almost like

group buffs matter

[restive oak]

i kinda want the new dh spec to overshadow veng so spell comp like runs bear tank with the new dh or something

[lusty grotto]

who would have known

not us in here

[restive oak]

something different :p

[lusty grotto]

jk we did

[toxic pewter]

Can’t wait to finally embody a spellbreaker from wc3 the frozen throne

[undone beacon]

if you ask the people in the Druid discord, prot is utterly broken and it’s crazy they didn’t get nerfed yet. Something something green grass and fences

[frosty mango]

I mean

Prot isn’t really that far ahead of the other tanks lol

[restive oak]

doesnt bm do more dam?

[lusty grotto]

i just find it funny that bear bitches us out of all things

[undone beacon]

“apparently 3m+ hps and 8m+ dps every pull is fine for a tank”

./shrug

[fringe burrow]

best way for your spec to become S tier is to go read about how it's doing in a different class discord

[frosty mango]

Are they talking about ptr?

[neon elk]

It isnt best in anything rn right ? Brm does more dmg, vdh heals more and brings better utility..

[chilly brook]

The new talent change for Spellbreaker might as well have remained at a 4% chance with 100% damage reduction but add a reduced effectiveness spell block at all times like 15-20% effectiveness

[undone beacon]

Yeah, PTR

[restive oak]

i honestly feel prot warrior and vengeances mobs control is pretty comporable

[frosty mango]

Tell them to quit whining and go post on Druid feedback lol

[rigid kestrel]

no

[frosty mango]

You sure you’re playing the same classes?

lol

[neon elk]

How is it comparable??

[frosty mango]

Pwar is definitely not bad at control but veng is just dumb

[neon elk]

Like its tiny small bit better for us on ptr but still , what?

[restive oak]

i mean the only thing we really missing is misery type ability

[winged sage]

This is ST.. seems fine to me

[lusty grotto]

aight im going back to the sands

[lusty grotto]

how long

[frosty mango]

Well you didn’t press execute

[lusty grotto]

is it

[undone beacon]

Nim can’t believe he paused dune for this shit

[lusty grotto]

whats the timeframe

[warm plinth]

We have misery, albeit target capped.

[rare kraken]

Has Blizzard ever buffed something by 725%

That number was hilarious to read

[warm plinth]

Yes

[restive oak]

yes

[frosty mango]

Looks like about 3 mins

[neon elk]

Thats like 1 min at best

[winged sage]

2min of just bonking

[restive oak]

platinum plating?

[frosty mango]

Nah he got 2 shield charges

[chilly brook]

believe it or not, they've done larger buffs

[neon elk]

Oke maybe 2

[frosty mango]

No tome, using old weapon, no execute

[lusty grotto]

3 mins 45 hits?

[rare kraken]

Damn fair enough

[lusty grotto]

roid are you sure

[frosty mango]

Maybe 2

[lusty grotto]

this is why i hate these random details screenshots

ill wait for your review Roid

and opinion

ping me im spicing

[frosty mango]

My opinion is just one in a sea of many

But at least I post logs

[torn gulch]

Spellbreaker has been updated – Now has an 8% chance to affect a magic damage event, but reduces damage taken by 50%.
🤣 actually incredible

you can't be serious

[small steeple]

I love that MT set was so utter gutter tier trash they buffed it by 725%

[torn gulch]

i don't think i've ever seen something like this

[torn gulch]

700% kekw numbers made by the takeaway driver that brings food to blizzard offices

[winged sage]

3 min 2 sec

[small steeple]

is MT back now? for m+ or raid?

[urban bane]

Okay okay, I've cooked. They should give Spellbreaker the Ionizing Strike treatment. Clearly.

[frosty mango]

Yeah, 725% chance to take 0 damage

[urban bane]

[jagged gust]

725% chance to mitigate 50% of spell damage

its more balanced

[frosty mango]

What’s comical

[warm plinth]

My face

[frosty mango]

Is if they buffed it by 725% that would only be a 58% chance

[warm plinth]

BOOM GOTTEM

[neon elk]

Make it 50% chance to mitigate 725% dmg and u have a deal

[small steeple]

and it heals for the the 625% over 100%

[strong forum]

looks like thane is back on the menu boys

[jagged gust]

that sounds unbalanced, lets just increase FBV heal by another 100% instead

[strong forum]

all it took was a 8-16x buff to the set

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/iYIcxXoxV5n.gif

[frosty mango]

When I send logs later plz bless us

[slim dove]

how back

!

[jagged gust]

@sharp gale comments?

[frosty mango]

Give us your thane blessing

[neon elk]

Will tset dmg pull ahead or make it even? Also i kinda love colo prio dmg

[frosty mango]

Then it won’t just be my opinion

[urban bane]

Thane + Execute build

:CINEMA:

[frosty mango]

Thexicute

[small steeple]

this just M+ or raid or both? i love me a fat execute

[frosty mango]

Mike Tyson meta

[strong forum]

well those numbers are a bit LARGE now

[warm plinth]

You're a bit large now

gottem

[jagged gust]

execute is hard to take for colo, harder for mt

[frosty mango]

Would you say that thane is a 100% take

[strong forum]

i aint saying shit for PTR

[undone beacon]

nome give me a tier list STAT

[warm plinth]

Skyhold 5 mins after patch notes: IS IT META

[undone beacon]

inject it in my veins

[warm plinth]

And yes I'm being conservative with the 5 mins

[frosty mango]

Ok that’s a maybe, we’ll take it

[small steeple]

META IS AS META DOES

• Forest Gump

-probably

[mighty valley]

TIER LIST???

[jagged gust]

As per usual, brewmaster will continue to be meta by my analysis

[warm plinth]

I think I remember that part of the movie

Oh snap

[undone beacon]

see heres my problem with brew rising up
the guy I like started playing brew and if brew becomes better than the tanks I play he's gonna make fun of me >:c

therefore, nerf brew plz thx

[jagged gust]

QFT

So tired of brewmasters always being on top

[undone beacon]

Quantum Field Theory?

so true bestie

[frosty mango]

Brew is hot or cold

Bc stagger

[small steeple]

brew is just tipsy ok

[warm plinth]

Quoted for truth

[frosty mango]

They can’t seem to tune it right, it’s either insanely broken or insanely shit

[warm plinth]

I haven't seen that acronym in years

But it's stuck in my mind

[undone beacon]

Honestly, never seen that acronym in my life

Thanks for the assist

[warm plinth]

It's an old forum acronym

Remember forums?

[undone beacon]

brother I'm like 7 years old

[frosty mango]

Do you guys remember irc?

[jagged gust]

dude forums

[small steeple]

I thought he neabt QPQ as in quid pro quo

[frosty mango]

I think I might be the oldest person here and that makes me sad

[undone beacon]

i play wow with my one button rotation on my steam deck

[warm plinth]

Forums are like...Discord but a billion times slower

[undone beacon]

subway surfers over half of it

[frosty mango]

There some other old people here too, I know it

[warm plinth]

define old

[jagged gust]

quantum field theory also works with the understanding that monks aren't either hot or cold, but simultaneously both until they face their first mob

[lusty grotto]

HEY NOW

[frosty mango]

“Not young”

[warm plinth]

how old are you

I stg if you come out with 32 or something

[frosty mango]

I’m about to turn 40, not generally old but definitely wow discord nerd old

[warm plinth]

Oh, eh

[dusky canopy]

Fell off a dinosaur aged

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna be 37 at the end of the month

[dusky canopy]

I’m tired of this grandpa!!

[jagged gust]

27 was the quarter life crisis, mid life crisis coming in hot

[undone beacon]

i guess i am considered actually young then in comparison BUT i still remember forums okay

Specifically the horrid TF2 forums i used to dredge through in high school

[jagged gust]

cant wait to be in an old folks home quoting anchorman at the other elder millennials

[warm plinth]

I can't quote anchorman

[obtuse spindle]

why wait? MILK WAS A BAD CHOICE

[frosty mango]

I played in a team fortress classic clan

With an irc channel

And I played Oregon trail on Apple II in school

[slender bison]

Brewmaster gets 8% Mystic Touch. Pwarr Phys comp is sooo 2022

[frosty mango]

Yeah but then people need to know how to play it which is like no people

[jagged gust]

LOUD NOISES

[slender bison]

It's still an outdated tank with like 2 kicks, but it will gain traction on Shado Pan.

[neon elk]

Also brm requires more help from healer , and that means healer can dps less , my bet is this will help mw and we most , brm not that much, they have other issues

[frosty mango]

Brew has shit snap aggro

[dusky canopy]

Prot war/ Rsham / WW / Outlaw / Feral

[vocal cave]

set still doesnt perform in ST, no?

[frosty mango]

And every time I run with a brew

They lose threat

[dusky canopy]

Slammer physical comp

[torn gulch]

if brewmaster will be strong this season
it will be funny see a lot of peeps pick it and be atomised in m+

[chrome falcon]

Holy shit lmao blizzard really wants us to consider this talent that does nothing 92% of the time

[torn gulch]

because they don't understand it

[frosty mango]

Legitimately had a brew lose aggro to my hunter on the first boss of workshop last night

[torn gulch]

ortemist is gonna go oh la la

[slender bison]

I think it's PWarr elitism talking. You don't need a PhD for stagger. BrM is just outdated for M+ for agro and kicks

[warm plinth]

Have you heard of our lord and savior misdirect

[frosty mango]

Yeah I did misdirect

[shut summit]

[warm plinth]

ikr

Sense you gotta be near my age; you got that manly radio voice going on

[torn gulch]

👴

[warm plinth]

I say that like I have a manly radio voice (I don't)

[frosty mango]

I think brew kit is fine it’s just most people don’t take any time to understand stagger

[lusty grotto]

ghash

[warm plinth]

Yes Nimmypoo

[lusty grotto]

we're older

c:

[frosty mango]

Stagger management requires bespoke knowledge not available in the game, clearly it should be removed

[warm plinth]

Not older than Roid!

[lusty grotto]

yes

[warm plinth]

That basically makes us infants

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/concert-crazy-old-man-crazy-concert-old-man-on-stage-onstage-gif-2583354641826449906

[lusty grotto]

idk about sense but

[shut summit]

ye 37

[lusty grotto]

im older than roid

[shut summit]

[warm plinth]

No wonder you're so grouchy

[frosty mango]

Definitely

[undone beacon]

why am i in this discord with a bunch of old fogeys wtf

[warm plinth]

Dementia kickin in and shit

[frosty mango]

Nim is a geriatric

[chilly brook]

8 months away from being 30

[dusky canopy]

Ain’t no way your ass is older than 40 nim!

[chilly brook]

I guess I'm going to be dead soon

[lusty grotto]

oh no i was grouchier when i was younger for sure

[undone beacon]

prot warr discord in a nutshell

[chilly brook]

real

[lusty grotto]

at least we're not bears

[chilly brook]

I'm a washed boomer at 29

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/griz-kick-gif-7697176456772720767

[dusky canopy]

Real and true

Same here

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-exploding-gif-18403884229748594041

[lusty grotto]

jesus lol

[undone beacon]

Dude they took the one cool thing about Elunes Chosen tier set for bears and removed it

[slender bison]

Nice pummel bro

[undone beacon]

gutted

[neon elk]

Blizzard doing gods work , circa 2025 colorized .

[undone beacon]

:c

[frosty mango]

Dotc meta?

[lusty grotto]

dotc was always the most interesting one

[undone beacon]

DotC is def looking strong as the tuning stands

And a lot more engaging

Genuine M+ catweaving on the menu? Yesssirrrr

Too bad numerically their damage is still kinda dog but

All in due time

[sinful copper]

Is prot eating good on ptr right now?

[chilly brook]

would be sick tbh

[undone beacon]

8% of the time prot is eating 50% of the magic damage

[warm plinth]

I will never understand how people like changing forms

[vivid orchid]

"balance" of RNG mechanics woo

[undone beacon]

wdym? Fluid Form makes it free

and its sick as fuck to be a bear and then a cat and then a bear again

[warm plinth]

Cat form is lame as fuck. Boring animations, boring sound effects. What's the appeal

[undone beacon]

look at my pfp and tell me what the appeal is

[neon elk]

Same , i might be weird , i know its class fantasy and stuff, but if i play bear i wanna play bear, not swap into cat or chicken , just let me sit and watch my thiccboi maul things

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-happy-happy-cat-smile-cat-gif-18259408098481512759

[slender bison]

Where Sidearm %300 buff??????

[undone beacon]

play Elunes Chosen, ez

[soft wraith]

you know, if you squint that spellbreaker change kinda looks like block, maybe they could tie it to our mastery by making the % chance our block chance and call it "magical block" or something, and if its too powerful make it a CD that lasts like half a minute

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10311420692458175149

[slender bison]

Stop making casino spells for tanks a thing. Buff Sidearm

[undone beacon]

no actually i want more rng for my tanks thanks

[neon elk]

I mean, there is a ppal build where u can achieve 100% spell block, idk why it is so bad with pwar

[undone beacon]

remove shield wall as a button and make the undermine tier set default

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, but why have kinda meme funny RNG (100%), when you can have boring RNG (50%)

[torn gulch]

ha?

[undone beacon]

:3

[frosty mango]

I wanna play fat dps

Or fat pss pss pss

[cerulean tusk]

Get this man a dev position stat!

[frosty mango]

🐱

[slender bison]

REMEMBER people - 80% of protwarr tanks quit before they MAKE IT BIG (Electrocrush block by Spell breaker)

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/raxdflipnote-meme-gif-3914937335619787342

[cerulean tusk]

"Dont worry guys, we wiped 10 times, but this time - I FEEL THE PROC!"

[torn gulch]

i have an 8 % chance to be buried or to be a champion

i feel like in book of ra

[undone beacon]

sorry guys i know that party pack killed me again but next time ill spellbreak it okay

[slender bison]

You'll definitely don't survive in Champ gear lmao

[frosty mango]

Every pull is a 92% chance to brick

Huge

[torn gulch]

https://www.novomatic.com/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_game_image/public/2021-05/vcFgeipRTNLu24B.jpg?itok=c4kZ5x4j
welcome to protection warrior

[slender bison]

Damn, Halls of Origination in S4

[torn gulch]

yes with all bosses and 1h timer

[cerulean tusk]

You meant to say, 8% chance to succeed! \o/

WEEEEEE

[undone beacon]

fuck it i'll do a radical shift and be a frostfire frost mage. I like when my comet storm does a meteor and my glacial spike does a pyroblast :3

pweeeeettty

[warm plinth]

Better than catweaving

[slender bison]

8% phys damage Mystic Touch ... 8% spell breaker

It's a pattern

BrM meta

[elfin kiln]

Thane ST, 5 mins. No executing

[nocturne spindle]

phys comp 4 lyfe

[dusky canopy]

I think so too, people sleep on BRM

[nocturne spindle]

aint no way ire of devotion was number 2

[old flame]

How big were the thunderlord buffs?

[slender bison]

PTR BrM behaves like a BDK, but with arms warr phys comp it would delete bosses probably

[neon elk]

I dont think brm will be "that good" if anything it will be used in highest keys , but i kinda dont see it work in pugs honestly

[undone beacon]

alright im gonna go back to watching king of the hill now that conversation has died down

[dusky canopy]

BRM/rsham/arms/outlaw/feral

This is the AP comp

Bet

[warm plinth]

love you, have fun

[neon elk]

Swap outlaw for enha and rsham for disc

[dusky canopy]

Nope we’re going AP comp

Priest doesn’t apply

[slender bison]

Ok grandma let's get you to bed

[neon elk]

How doesnt priest apply but rsham does ?

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nubby-nubby's-number-factory-nubbys-number-factory-pet-nub-gif-10828535552509613360

[dusky canopy]

Rsham provides good melee buff

Priest just gives hp

[neon elk]

So does enha

While rogue provides nothing, and disc provides PI?

[dusky canopy]

You want outlaw

Outlaw does tons of physical damage

Better than a ENH shaman would

You have to consider the whole comp

We are going for Attack Power

Physical damage

[slender bison]

I've been playing BrM for past week, it has its moments of BDK which is hard for brown class brain. Saw the same hp yoyo in Sha vids too. And some talents are super cringe. We'll see

[neon elk]

Enha benefits from ap , and partly from phys also

And from what ive seen ( granted its not much) enha does way more than any rogue on ptr and those few% aint changing that

[dusky canopy]

You could do enh sure but then you’d have to bring Rdruid

Because you want the buff

[hardy snow]

oh wow, spellbreaker updated, still nope 🤷‍♂️

[neon elk]

U still have feral for buff

U get rid of rogue that provides nothing to group

[dusky canopy]

The rogue provides raw damage

The best raw physical damage is outlaw rogue

You would never not bring it to a physical comp

[neon elk]

The best raw dmg is still doing less than "hybrid" that also uses all the buffs

[slender bison]

Rogue scales much better in Phys comp (not attack comp!) than enh shaman

[dusky canopy]

Brother I’m telling you

Outlaw rogue

Is king in the physical comp

[slender bison]

We're doing PTR tier lists already? Just play live bro

[stiff gate]

3900 outlaw joined my 17 level up key last night and I am a believer now, that spec does broken insane dps

[slender bison]

Always bring outlaw to Phys comp TODAY

[dusky canopy]

Nah we’re just theorizing optimal physical comp next tier

When you run into a outlaw one trick pony you will know it

[slender bison]

It's like free giga damage

[dusky canopy]

They pipe damage

[chilly brook]

Outlaw owns

[stiff gate]

I do wonder about swapping enh for feral and RDruid for rsham maybe

[neon elk]

Havent seen any of those yet ngl

[dusky canopy]

The rogue in my guild is an outlaw main and I’m telling you

[chilly brook]

just consistent damage all the time

[dusky canopy]

They do giga damage

[runic granite]

They will keep doubling the proc chance and halving the benefit until it’s a 100% chance to take 2% less magic damage

[dusky canopy]

Like the guy is like top 10 in the world for outlaw or some shit

[chilly brook]

I've broken 4m overall on my Outlaw and I'm only 670

[dusky canopy]

Gaps meta specs in the 17s/18s

Lmao

[neon elk]

But the comp you mentioned isnt anything new

There is already comp like that quite high this tier

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately I'm down bad for ilvl and also still learning the spec

so mostly end around 3.5ish

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/keke-tang-love-live-superstar-liella-spitting-facts-anime-gif-22390278

[small steeple]

outlaw is hawt, especially after they fixed the numerous bugs

[dusky canopy]

Brm/rsham/arms/outlaw/feral

Bet

This is the way

[restive oak]

they've responded

[green osprey]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-responds-to-spell-block-removal-for-protection-warrior-377692?utm_source=discord-webhook

[neon elk]

But thats the curent "meta " meele comp, nothing is changing then

[restive oak]

they will make sure busters are fair

[slender bison]

Problem with rogue is like monks - Blizz put them on life support and it doesn't feel good or you get carp tunnel from playing just to match a retri

[restive oak]

we have nothing to worry about

[runic granite]

The current meta melee comp
Is brew?

[hardy snow]

yea, they sure will

[torn gulch]

HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHA

[chilly brook]

The only thing in current season that feels bad regarding playing Outlaw is the current KS is so tilting

[slender bison]

Jesus Christ dude. It's 5 weeks away. Give it a rest

[neon elk]

Yap, like 6th best tank in world plays that exact comp , brm rsham feral rogue arms

[runic granite]

No I’m asking

[stiff gate]

Yeah if you’re talking current season (not ptr) check out Monksea’s raider io

[runic granite]

Very cool

[chilly brook]

"they are not intended to be replacements at the same power level as Spell Block. When Spell Block worked on an attack, it was an extremely powerful mitigation, and we feel that would be too strong on an effect that works on all magic damage. The Hunker Down / Spellbreaker node offers a choice between on-demand magic damage reduction or passive average value magic damage reduction. "

Ok so then change Spellbreaker

[neon elk]

Yea kinda shows that meta is a lie

[cerulean tusk]

Who knows, but it will have a monk in it.

[stiff gate]

The craziest thing is that they rank 1 priory. That’s the dungeon that I feel VDH/boomy are most valuable in so it’s impressive

[chilly brook]

to be 100% block on spells but 10% effectiveness of block

not this RNG bullshit lol

[maiden forge]

so, they change their story now? I thought it was cause it was too hard to know when to use spell block(according to them)? not that it was super op

[restive oak]

they just feed us bs and expect us not to think :p

[slender bison]

Ohhhhh we gonna get Yoda 5th tank tier list of the week today?

[cerulean tusk]

It is over, they locked down this timeline. Just be happy with the minor DR we get, and pray they are true to their word of

[stiff gate]

They’re not saying it’s super op, they’re saying giving spell breaker that level of mitigation would be op

[runic granite]

I thought spell block was too hard for our pea brains

[lusty grotto]

they posted that cause i called them out on it

it was me

you're welcome? sorta?

[cerulean tusk]

They said the same about keeping Odyn's Fury strong btw

ya lads fucked

[hardy snow]

well, they realized people know their first argument was bullshit, so they had to change it 😄

[lusty grotto]

remember me

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[restive oak]

bro, they doubled its proc chance and halved its block value, problem solved

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[woven temple]

https://tenor.com/view/i-didnt-do-fucking-shit-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-i-didnt-do-anything-i-did-jack-shit-i-did-fuck-all-gif-8193321463410745871

[neon elk]

Damn grandpa Nim bringing spellblock all by himself

[lusty grotto]

LMAO

[elfin kiln]

What does "We're looking into it" even mean

[lusty grotto]

perfect follow up Jesus LostHC

[lusty grotto]

it means theyre gonna do jack shit

[torn gulch]

remembers me of ferrari engineers in f1

[hardy snow]

will there be any new alchemy raid cauldrons in S3?

[old flame]

So freaking disappointing, they didn't need to remove spell block but they did and now they have to live with our rage

[chilly brook]

Like genuinely if they gave warrior a permanent spell block at 20% of normal block value, that would be only an 8.5% damage reduction and a 17% damage reduction on a critical block

I don't see how that would be broken

Just stop being stupid

[elfin kiln]

just use IP to spend it

[bleak breach]

Let’s be honest, we’ve just gotta work out a way around it. We’re not gonna get anything, it is what it is

[chilly brook]

Prot legit does not have a dev with a working brain

[lusty grotto]

thats kind of what i initially posted as a replacement

[chilly brook]

I've been argung to a 20% effectiveness perma spell block attached to Spellbreakers initial effect for weeks

[lusty grotto]

or similar, at least

[hardy snow]

passive spellblock for reduced value was discussed for a long time, like since they introduced spellblock I think

[maiden forge]

or they could just give us spell block back

not even hard

[hardy snow]

everyone likes such idea

except Blizzard's interns

[chilly brook]

spell block as it was is actually a problem

[torn gulch]

attach spell block to our mastery

[slender bison]

Guys they already nerfed the magic tank busters. It's done. For Halls and Dawnbreaker just signal your healer

[chilly brook]

it's either too good or it's obtuse to use

because blizz has to manually white/blacklist everything with it

[hardy snow]

same goes with standard block

[lusty grotto]

they did, so thats a good move on their part

[maiden forge]

they already have to cause of prot pally

pretty sure

since they can block spells

[lusty grotto]

for now we wait, the problem is we have a DOA talent

spellbreaker is never gonna get talented, not ever not even with today's buff

[chilly brook]

almost all physical hits are blockable it's extremely rare for them not to be tbh

[errant wagon]

Fellas I've been one +18 key away from resil for a hot minute now and it's damn priory. Captain dailcry makes me want to cry-cry

priory is cursed

[hardy snow]

there were raid tankbusters that had physical and magical parts, where physical wasn't blockable and magic was

[slender bison]

Same as Bloodborne was. Or the 6% DR to Def Stance. We'll live

[hardy snow]

and they had to put it manually to not be blockable

[chilly brook]

yes I'm aware, it's generally the exception rather than the rule

[lusty grotto]

bloodborne wasnt in the same page as spellbreaker

it was usable

it was just worse than other shit

[chilly brook]

pretty sure their spell block is coded different

[lusty grotto]

spellbreaker is unusable

[slender bison]

Nah, it never was.

[maiden forge]

i mean, how so

[chilly brook]

their block is not as good as ours to begin with

[lusty grotto]

did you play DF?

[maiden forge]

thats back pedaling

u gave a reason that they had to code each thing specifically for it