protection

[jagged pier]

[mellow bridge]

just patched ptr

servers still incompatible

[nocturne spindle]

lmao

did they make bubbles unskippable

i bet they did

[jagged pier]

just SR the dot ez

[dusky canopy]

Technically it’s always skippable

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[mellow bridge]

idk i wanted to check but cant

[dusky canopy]

Unless Blizz goes clear out of the way to prevent it

You just have to meld once you’re outside of its true site range

[worthy lichen]

wtf is wasnt blockable?

[mellow bridge]

well depending on where it is exactly, it could be very hard to skip it

[mellow bridge]

no that's why it slapped so hard

[worthy lichen]

some big tank buster nerfs coming, pretyt nice. Bubbles moved to, big tanking hype

[lilac widget]

yo guys

i just copied the wowhead prot build over incase it had been updated

am i able to swap the bleed increase talent for roar, for spear? if i wanted spear?

or is it like biiig suboptimal

[runic granite]

These changes are looking too good for prot im nervous

[nocturne spindle]

if you swap roar

you swap all 3

to spear

its even technically better in single target

[strong forum]

Okay but why did it take each an entire season to make these changes

Grasping slash is GIGANTIC to be gone

[candid cove]

These changes are just there because they look to be nerfing magic damage reductions across the board and since we lost spell block they're trying to nitpick big hits to smooth things out in bigger pulls.

[strong forum]

1st boss priory mega nerfed for good reason

Shield slam finally blockable

Initial dmg of 1st boss dawn reduced

[strong forum]

Some of these weren't even spellblockable

Umbral Rush no longer doing dmg is massive

Like these are insanely large nerfs

[nocturne spindle]

i mean thats one way to do it

[candid cove]

I just meant overall magic dmg reduction is reduced like amz and stuff. so in a big picture where you have a lot of casts going off they need to lower the tank busters cause the dps are gonna get punched hard. but they buffed us in a way to compensate and then also do this.

[nocturne spindle]

no need to know when to use a CD if you dont even need them 4Head

[strong forum]

Well these are some prime examples of pwars dying

Like 100% key mechanics

[frosty mango]

Yeah this is huge and opens up a ton of routing options

You can probably do a pretty sizable pull at the end now and enable some earlier skips

They actually nerfed the shit out of priory and flood - those changes are huge

[strong forum]

Umbral Rush - many deaths
Grasping slash - if pull didn't die in 30sec you'd eventually fall over cuz we don't have freedom
Pregnant strike or w/e the name - no longer starts immediately on combat, not blockable hit but now we can actually get aggro first
1st boss dawn and priory - major bosses
Shield slam blockable - GIGANTIC for pwar

[frosty mango]

Shield slam being blockable basically means pwar is now functionally immune on first priory pull

[cerulean tusk]

Sounds like pwarrior needs a nerf

[strong forum]

means we dont "randomly" lose 80% hp

for no god damn reason

when tanking 3i489uz837 mobs

[frosty mango]

lol

[strong forum]

can now actually do that miniboss

with other shit together

[frosty mango]

Means we can add the two caster packs in now

[candid cove]

Gotta pull more to heal more

[strong forum]

cant heal if you die between leech ticks

(leech and fbv each tick every second, its not a constant stream of healing)

but also, dont get too fond of fbv healing 3-5x as much rn as compared to live

[frosty mango]

Blizz gonna prob reduce that by 50%

Or nerf set bonus

[candid cove]

yeah, there's no way it makes it to live unless they just only base it on raid bosses where you don't have decently sized pulls so its not as crazy

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure which way they’ll go, hopefully nerf to fbv

[candid cove]

Wish they'd do something with the other half of those tier bonuses

[nocturne spindle]

lmao that would be hilarious

we get OP self healing on packs because they tune it for raid boss

but based on previous stuff

i could see it

[frosty mango]

Well if they nerf tier we get shafted on st

If they nerf fbv we don’t - so that makes more sense

So obviously that’s not what they’ll do

[lilac widget]

ait ive got another question, sorry, i just got absolutely melted by the first boss in floodgate

theres gotta be something im doing wrong,

[frosty mango]

Do you have a log?

[lilac widget]

but i dont have a big def everytime the tankbuster is up

was that directed at me?

sorry

[frosty mango]

Yessir

[lilac widget]

nah i havent figured logging yet tbh, i'd only just started on raider io, this season

logging is the next steo

step

[frosty mango]

You have three shield walls, spell block, demo shout, and spell reflect - you should have a cooldown for each one

Spell reflect is up for each, and you can use a wall or spell block

[lilac widget]

thankyou, i didnt realise spell block and reflect worked on that

[frosty mango]

Demo + last stand can also provide coverage

[lilac widget]

thats something i really need to work in, if it isnt an very obvious spell

im bad at using it

[frosty mango]

Spell Block works on the initial hit

Spell reflect is a magic Dr if it doesn’t reflect and will cover 6 seconds

[lilac widget]

oooh thats interesting, see showing how noob i am

how is demolish working as a dr?

[frosty mango]

10% Dr while channeling

[lilac widget]

ah so its minor, but you pair with last stand

got it

[frosty mango]

Demoralizing shout not demolish

[lilac widget]

oh hahaha

i know about that one

[solid sun]

Just dungeon tuning so far?

[lilac widget]

sorry i misread

[frosty mango]

You’ll need to leverage avatar for shield wall there but you’ll have enough to have a cd up for every electro rush

If you take one natty you will almost certainly die unless your healer is ready

Where’d they move bubbles to, anyone know?

[nocturne spindle]

stuff not up

[frosty mango]

Wonder if they moved him to prevent skips or to enable skips

[lilac widget]

yeah i've already figured out saving avatar as a defensive for some parts of dungeons, i really need to get a list or something that tells me everything spell block and reflect are good on

for the ones that arent obvious at least

[ocean valley]

im gonna miss the random rng of shield wall procs from tier

[wanton tree]

Have a look at Sense's Spell Reflect Guide in #protection-faq
It lists every ability that can be blocked, reflected or spell-blocked

[solid sun]

What ability was Umbral Rush?

[frigid valley]

think it was that dash thingy on the mobs outside the main building

[cerulean tusk]

The Umbral Captain or whatever they were called, that dashed to you dealing massive dam, once in a while they would double tap you with it

These bastards

[solid sun]

Was that the mobs that did a purple line. I think two existed outside the house where one of the mini bosses was

And you’d just move out of it

[cerulean tusk]

Nop, they charged you

[chilly brook]

Nah rush isn’t avoidable

[solid sun]

I guess just getting portals last season meant they didn’t matter to me

[chilly brook]

Actually surprised that it didn’t see tuning with the dungeon tuning they just announced

[solid sun]

They did

They don’t do damage now

[chilly brook]

The rush?

[cerulean tusk]

They removed the rush dam element

[solid sun]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

Oh I didn’t see it for some reason

Well then in that case warrior looking a lot better even if the self healing gets a big downturn

[cerulean tusk]

Well, in this case it was more a 100 to 0 thing being removed, than something some ticks of healing could fix

[solid sun]

I haven’t seen the notes themselves but apparently first bosses if priory and dawnbreaker got hit so that’s good

If I play pwar this season it’ll be the first time I’ve stuck to a single main for a whole expansion

Really trying to bring it home

[cyan bronze]

Those mobs blew

[true yoke]

What recent PTR changes affect protection warriors?

[tight hinge]

fbv is like 30-50% overheal on ptr right now so we can eat a nerf ez

[mighty valley]

talent tree rework, spell block removed

[cerulean tusk]

As we dont bounce very low between healer ticks, then ofc most of it will be overhealing. What you should care about is our EDTPS. Overhealing is such a non-issue, what matters is our ability to heal when required if it is supposed to have a function.

[true yoke]

where you see the changes? i cant found nothing on wowhead

[tight hinge]

it heals for so much that you do not need a healer in any situation with multiple targets.

[mighty valley]

first set of ptr notes were weeks ago, we haven't had anything since then

[tight hinge]

it's going to be nerfed rightfully

[cerulean tusk]

We talking low keys, cause you can already outheal 12s as pwarrior

or we talking content?

[tight hinge]

no we're talking 15+ on ptr

go play the game

you just put up bleeds and live lord

[true yoke]

so rn in ptr pwar is broken and inmortal

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, I will believe it when I see it. But so far I will take your word for it being "op"

[true yoke]

but gonna be nerfed

[cerulean tusk]

Who knows, HtR, perhaps they trying to make a tank-friendly season

[tight hinge]

the dungeon tuning already looking real good for us, so I'm starting to inhale the hopium

[chilly brook]

They also nerfed big momma initial hit which is big

[solid sun]

Yep

[frosty mango]

No

Not even remotely close

We’ve tested like half a raid and one dungeon, really not enough data to draw conclusions.

But it’s definitely not immortal, looking strong numbers wise on the limited testing that was done but gameplay remains largely unchanged

[true yoke]

Got it, ty for the information

[round cliff]

no nerf

we need it

nerf kills warrior

[wet osprey]

is a WA for tracking our tierset needed?

[mighty valley]

now or on ptr?

i think the answer is no either way

it doesn't change our priority in any way

though i guess it might be nice to be aware that you're about to get shield charge back soon

[wet osprey]

thanks, new to prot.. just checking must have WA's

[urban bane]

I set up a simple "ding" to let me know when I get a current tier set proc. Just nice to know when it goes off.

[gentle violet]

Better not nerf us. Are we not allowed to be meta for a season? Praydge.

[round cliff]

no we arent

brown class bad

[tribal wharf]

now, i cant recall precisely what i said, but i think it was along the lines of "the most important part its fun"

i guess it wasnt fun

[heavy sparrow]

It's not bad

Like oats with dino eggs in it for a day

[round cliff]

this shows blizz that warcraft is a dead IP

sadge

worldsoul saga is the last bit of content wow is getting

[tribal wharf]

they fucked up dragons being cool

im not sure i can forgive so easily

its a giant mythical fire breathing beas with thick hide and teeth, claws wings

its smart and its violent and eats meat and kills things

and they couldnt get it

tell ya what, make a good dragon maybe i come back

[round cliff]

dragonflight was rad

back off my goat

[mortal cypress]

The 4 warcraft rumble players:

"Nooooooo! "

[tribal wharf]

parts of it were cool

but its like, double play in baseball

not a homerun, but score went up

[round cliff]

they added dragonriding to the game

[tribal wharf]

if we had deathwing in DF it would have been homerun

[round cliff]

literally game changing idk

we did it was neltharion smh

[tribal wharf]

its good, 1 points for dragon flying and 1 pt for raids was cool outdooors event was cool, some dungeons was okay

point 3 ???? dunno hard to say, point 4 the "edge" that we only got 50% of

[round cliff]

dragonriding so game changing that i discriminate against anyone who prefers it the old way

[tribal wharf]

cuz a homerun is 3 players on and you get 4 points out of it

[mighty valley]

only downside is not being able to auto fly and afk

[round cliff]

u can still do that if ur not dumb

[tribal wharf]

i said it the other day and i say it again

me yogi

[round cliff]

smh

[tribal wharf]

yogi want war

big war, scary kind

[round cliff]

burn another tree

[tribal wharf]

chaotic and energy filled

what about storm wind attacks orgimmar or vice versa

cuz reasons

[warm plinth]

@patent osprey man they are making shield slam in priory blockable. Just think, this could've been avoided https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv/clip/BombasticViscousZebraFutureMan-3FQzJ3nAqvCnxPdH

[chilly brook]

never understood why it wasn't blockable to begin with

[nocturne spindle]

free knowledge checks

[jagged pier]

Well as they said its too complicated to know what is and isnt spell blockable

So they need to fix the stuff that should be blockable so its easier for ppl to understand

[waxen cradle]

That is one thing I love about Blizzard, you don't have to prove how out of touch and clueless they are about WoW, they will do it themselves

[stiff gate]

no no, they should just remove blocking instead

[tribal wharf]

just remove combat all together really

we can have pet battle raids

[jagged pier]

I mean i said that was the next logcial step woth the reasoning they gave

[waxen cradle]

It's quite literally them saying " You players think you know better than us devs huh ? Well we will show you... HA look at this stupid decision we made "

I almost wonder if there blue posts are auto generated now to the point of they just let AI respond however it wants. Though that can't be right because AI probably would have given smarter reasoning.

[tribal wharf]

did i hear that right that blizzard is scared of ai

i saw some bs today about "blizzard scared of AI" was basically it

[waxen cradle]

Not scared so much as worried it will replace all of them as it would do a better job would be my take

[mighty valley]

yeah dude, chatbots that make shit up 30% of the time would definitely make a great video game

[tribal wharf]

again its a tool

and you dont build a screw driver star nose

and then use it as a fucking buzz saw and hammer

and then THIS TOOL SUX DUDE WTF

my renovation is FUCKED

screwdrivers are horrible

never use them

[stiff gate]

you guys ever play that AI minecraft game?

if you turn your camera too fast it forgets what the world was supposed to look like and just makes it up

[waxen cradle]

Not being serious myself, but I can't imagine a AI generated response as to why Spell Block was taken away could be much worse than the one we got.

[mighty valley]

they’re heavily nerfing all the stuff that we needed spell block to live through

so I’m fine

[waxen cradle]

If I am being completely honest if Blizzard had came out and said " So yeah were removing Spell Block " and then had said there reason was because " Yeah Warrior tanks fuck you " I would have been like hmm... ok well they got a point

[jagged pier]

Its almost like those nerfs were made specfically for warrior

[tribal wharf]

this was a gpt conversation i had a few days ago

[mighty valley]

you asked the flattery machine if you’re right and it said “yes sir you are very very smart”

[waxen cradle]

But there actual reason was so dumb it has created a ongoing topic of discussion, nevermind the fact that they removed it. How stupid a excuse they gave is what has kept conversation about it going.

[tribal wharf]

🛡️ Spell Block’s Removal Is Not Justified by Blizzard’s Reasoning
Blizzard says:

"It required too much specialized knowledge to use."

That reasoning might hold for a low-skill floor class, but Prot Warrior has always had a higher skill ceiling. You already need to understand what can be blocked, reflected, or spell blocked to play optimally. Removing one piece of that puzzle doesn’t simplify the spec — it just weakens it.

In fact, Spell Reflection and regular Block are still highly knowledge-gated. They didn’t remove those. So why axe the most effective tool against one of Warrior’s longest-standing weaknesses?

This feels more like design laziness or fear of balance complexity than a thoughtful simplification.

i fed it nomeratures post

[waxen cradle]

Nice lol

[tribal wharf]

for example, i ask it about this old ass sega genesis

lvl 3, water tunnel, YOU ARE COLLECTING A SUBMARINE MODULE FOR YOUR SHIP EVERY MISSION UNTIL LVL 6

so you can go in the god damn water in the first place

and you dont go in the water until lvl 7 in this game

i dont like AI, but i accept it for what it is and engage with it

[patent osprey]

that was probably.. a longer time ago... haha

[mighty valley]

https://time.com/7295195/ai-chatgpt-google-learning-school/

[warm plinth]

was from a stream on 6/13 haha

[jagged gust]

"Not having to think leads to people not thinking"

This is like that study that "proved" social media was lowering attention spans when the entirety of the study was observing how the more people used twitter the faster things stopped trending

Her team did submit it for peer review but did not want to wait for approval

[tribal wharf]

the thing with me right

is there is like, 10 fucking bazillion video games i think about

theres no way in hell, i can ever come close to keeping all that shit in my mind, i have to look up speed runs and walkthroughs and guides

[undone beacon]

How are the dungeon changes? Haven’t been able to check em out

[frigid valley]

wonder if the lack of changes today/delayed since yesterday has to do with the 9000ppl microsoft is firing

[jagged gust]

speaking of dungeons, I can't remember was the hop animation in ara kara at 1.8s left on cast or .8s

[warm plinth]

Lack of changes? We had changes today though

[ashen kestrel]

i always went when it was below 1 second

[strong forum]

0.8-0.5ish

whenever you were bumped up by her

[warm plinth]

😮

[urban bane]

ya not too uncommon with papers posted on arxiv for what it is worth. a lot of drafts and pre-pub papers which may take ages to get published end up on there

[worthy lichen]

is there a way to check ignore pain over healing? im not seeing overheal on details

[warm plinth]

Absorbs can't overheal. They're not counted as healing until they're consumed.

[worthy lichen]

overcapping?

[pastel summit]

It can't overheal.

[warm plinth]

I'm not sure if you can check that. There's no reason to care about overcapping Ignore Pain

[pastel summit]

Also were people really asking about whirlwind and slam

enough to warrant the name

that's so good

[warm plinth]

Yes. All of my nicknames are because there was a rash of some question. XD

For a while in Dragonflight it was Stop Using Barbaric Training (back when Barbaric Training had the cost increase on it)

[nocturne spindle]

What do you think it'll be for next season?

[mighty valley]

“Get Over Spell Block, Move On With Your Life”

hmm maybe that’s over chat limit

char

[undone beacon]

it took 268 pulls but we finally fucking killed lockenstock

[solid sun]

Huge Grats pash

[pastel summit]

Grats. To hell with that boss.

[edgy prairie]

Dumb question but what does the average prot warr pull look like? I’ve been having issues holding aggro on mobs. It’s for the most part charge avatar shield block into thunderclap/revenge if I’m colossus right

It’s just charge avatar shield block right? M

I’m just struggling to understand how to pull big

do I just do that combo into revenging the whole way hitting as many mobs as I can?

[mighty valley]

as colossus, you don't have a lot of no-CD snap threat, so your dps should hopefully know to chill out a lil til you've gathered and planted your feet

so you just go to each pack and try and hit a TC and/or revenge

and then when everything's together, go through all of your CDs

but yeah at the actual moment of the pull, charge + avatar gives you enough rage to put up your initial shield block

[jagged gust]

We started pulling last week then regressed to Stix re-progging 😦

[undone beacon]

You can skip stix and go straight to locken!

The past 2 weeks we went straight to locken from the start

[jagged gust]

honestly good call

Though I am not looking forward to doing raid calls on that fight

Gonna be herding cats for a couple weeks

[sharp gale]

I wish I could ask all your guild officers / not just yours why are you still reclearing (like before those two weeks ago), but I think the answer is big chill guild

Like may 13th / turbo boost, you guys still needed gear from the bosses before sprocket ? (even if you didn’t kill them yet at that time)

Or just big chilling reaclear reason

Or maybe it is vicious circle : afraid to ask roster if they want to extend, and deal with not unanimity answer

[undone beacon]

before those two weeks ago we were reclearing because we didnt have 20 at the start of raid tbh

so to kill time we beat on other bosses

I made it very clear I will not tank prog bosses without 20 people

[sharp gale]

Oh so it is the recruitement/retention of roster for you ok ok, it’s just to have some insights on why people do certain things, since we all are in our own bubble

It did happen to my OWN guild, in bfa on carapace, it took us 1 month+ to kill it (I don’t remember but it was long period), but half the pulls of raden, who took 1 months, just bc on carapace we had trouble being 20, so just boosting random pickups 10/12 Mythic

[civic holly]

if im at max ignore pain barrier, and i press ignore pain, id consider that overheal

[jagged gust]

retention is always a factor, especially around the holidays

[worthy lichen]

ya thats my reasoning

[sharp gale]

Yeah that’s one of the reason of 25 roster for 20 man raid, or guild always have recruitment opened

[jagged gust]

There's a lot of personalities to deal with in that situation too, mostly a vetting issue in the onboarding process

[sharp gale]

I recall when I created the guild with my friends, I did the weirdest shit ever to find ppl

[jagged gust]

Some people can't handle not always being needed for a kill

[sharp gale]

Facebook, wow French forums (wowprogress is excluded bc 0 mythic experience at that point), or just stealing heroic guilds players

I felt a lil bad for DMs to best player of those guilds

The only advertisement sellling point was : we reclear in 1 night heroic

[jagged gust]

I mean I've been on the other side of that coin

this kinda thing also feels bad after a while, sometimes you just wanna jump ship for greener grass

poaching used to be incredibly taboo tho

I still remember all the wow forum posts of guilds calling each other out

[slender bison]

Obsidian Beam initial damage reduced by 33%

Suleyman Shield Slam damage reduced by 33% and can now be blocked

Electrocrush initial damage reduced by 20%.

Looks like meta is back on the menu

[frosty mango]

If you’re pressing ignore pain you’re going to overcap rage anyway so while you are technically right functionally it doesn’t matter

[civic holly]

maybe the guy who asked is spamming ip too much and not casting enough revenge and wants to know how much absorb he is wasting since he is alr at max when he presses it

[jagged gust]

Don't forget Reinforced Drone no longer casts Grasping Slash

We can finally go left in a pug

[civic holly]

between multiple avatar casts in a pull, heroic leap, intervene, the slashs were never really an issue for me

[sharp gale]

In pug, meaning the issue is not you personally doing the mech

[lilac basalt]

Was it so bad in high keys? I only did it up to 10

[sharp gale]

It is bad in low keys

Bc ppl just walks in the puddles or intstantly dps them (dropping the puddles while you are gathering or worst, before you engaged combat yourself)

I would just press W into the big stun beetle in 10, even tho it is more fun to go left

In S1

So imagine when you have to deal with instantly the slow

• it’s not new tank player friendly

[tardy abyss]

idk the only dangerous thing was the shield slam and even that was managable

[slender bison]

We're talking about S3, where Spell Block is ded

[tardy abyss]

Oh true I totally forgot about that lmao

[humble ferry]

How do you all deal with ninjapullers in keys? I'm 3.4k rio (not saying that's high), and even in easy keys on my alts where i try to provide the fastest/cleanest runs possible there are almost always people ninjapulling. It literally slows down the run but they won't understand that ofcourse. Would like to hear how you guys deal with this.

[jagged pier]

U tell them not too before hand

Or u have 2 more options, adjust the route on the fly or jist keep doing your normal route

And if they blame your route tell them not to ninja pull in the future

[humble ferry]

Thanks ill just continue doing my normal route and see how the reactions are

[echo egret]

-"Please don't ninjapull, let me do that according to my route"
-"Then pull faster"
-"Enjoy your wait time in LFG, bye"

[humble ferry]

Haha i must admit i left a key once because a 4 man premade were just doing everything to ruin my fun

But leaving won't be possible anymore next season (which is a good thing)

[mild river]

i would do the same. And even after next patch, I'd leave it too. My mental health is more important than some deserter debuff.

[echo egret]

Just go afk instead of leaving, until they have to trigger a vote.

[ocean smelt]

Oh we can still leave, we'll just leave the computer altogether

[mellow bridge]

You're not gonna get punished for leaving a single key like that

Afking isn't a solution either as then you'll simply get reported for gameplay sabotage

It's already punishable

[pallid quiver]

The correct answer is to tell your secret murder army you have on command to discover and strike the position of one of the other players, causing them to be the reason for the disband

[cerulean tusk]

Just pull 1 and 1 pack, and make sure to start so you can drag it out for as long as possible. If the Dung got mobs or elements that allow perma combat, even better. They can not vote while you are in combat, so, you just keep yourself perma in combat.

As the tank, you can stealth pot ahead, have mobs between yourself and the team, to make it harder for them to do anything.

Use shadowmeld potion to kill them all off, while you remain in combat with a boss. Now they cant release or leave the dungeon before the combat ends.

[fierce cradle]

Heya fellow warriors, again I need help from wiser guys! So I got few 19's timed and everything else on 18 but PRIORY, so idk what it is im not understanding from first boss, but any tips? Im struggling with that ALOT, and ofc you would want to have something up after the boss dies cause next pull is also a bit tough

[cerulean tusk]

Focus on the boss first and foremost, no point to hold things for a pack you won't reach. You can always do the church pull staggered. Just write "no CDs, got to chain"

Boss himself, well you already know what must be done. Dtrinky can help, but a lot comes to communicating with your healer for when you really will need attention or an external

[fierce cradle]

I have the mud trinket from floodgate for that, but im usually going with shaman and well I think the most worst part of the boss is the bleed and I THINK it should be handled without defs MOSTLY, but the tries i've taken on the first boss I need to use defs for just the bleed too many times and at some point I just start dropping

I've always liked to play with haste/crit mostly, but only because of priory i've started to take versa a bit, but idk could it be that? I only have like 10k versa with flask

[cerulean tusk]

Just remember to communicate with your shaman, he can keep you up with healing that scales with how low you drop. But if the pace your hp moves suddenly change, it is likely he won't be able to react in time.

[fierce cradle]

yea well thats true, i've mostly gone with pugs and almost everytime different healer so.. Its always a guessing game how it goes

[cerulean tusk]

Trick honestly is just better teamwork with your healer. Make sure to be on voice, expect to need having to do a few attempts before you two know how each work.

Luckily you two can easily team up and use your combo to get into new keys, if it ain't a resi

[waxen quarry]

why is prot blood dk next season

[cerulean tusk]

If I had to guess.

Cause they buffed a weaker selfheal and then gave that buffed element a 100% TierSet mod on top.

[jagged pier]

It will get nerfed

I fucking hope

I dont want to bleed heal kthnks

[mellow bridge]

I'd recommend you to watch for example Sense's vod and see how he handles it

[sweet summit]

DK dev took over as warrior dev after the intern quit

[ionic fern]

Shield slam now heals based on hp missing.

[indigo hawk]

Question : for a maximum damage deal on single target (like boss on mythic), should I :
• use TC on cd to generate the maximum rage and use the overcap rage on IP to gain more time with avatar up (for +20% dmg)
• use revenge as much as possible even when TC is up (like when i got 30+ rage) but i generate less rage so less time on avatar

There is anything to calculate the best thing to do ?

[jade hazel]

Mmmm people will leave, run their own key to get the Scarlett letter off and then be cleared to be free to join another key and leave again. I think they should try to pair up with raider io and put leaves in straight up section under all your runs.

Imo the leavers are just going to not value other peoples keys even more and value their own even harder and will likely make non-meta classes even harder to join groups in higher keys

Better than blizzard doing nothing tho

[zenith aurora]

What % is the greater helm enchant anyone know

[ocean smelt]

Of dps? About 2.5 to 3%

[mellow portal]

Hey!
I'm struggling a little bit on gathering mobs and not rapidly losing health. Any tips on how to gather and "open" in packs correctly, especially if there 4-5 packs which are spread kinda far away of each other?
What i'm doing most of the time: charge 1 pack, TC, some heroic throws far pack, charge another pack, TC, shield charge something, waiting till mobs come closer and pressing avatar, DS and so on. If i have some rage before pull i'm doing all that with SB up, IP if i can.
After everything grouped i have not much problems, but im kinda panic on gather like im always close to death and i dont think that is supposed to be like that... And pretty often can happen that while mobs i tagged are coming someone can pick off aggro and some chaos happening

[blazing ridge]

Pop Shieldwall while gathering, and dont show your back when throwing you weapon I guess. Can also throw Ravager on a far pack and Heroic jump to the next so the first group you attacked isnt attacking you but rather running after you I guess.

[wild chasm]

Make sure you have shield block as early into the pull as you can- either from rage from last pull or try to shield charge if you won’t need it for some stun interrupt soon. Don’t show your back to the mobs. Pop shield wall as you start gathering and do what you usually do, depending on which pack (how spread it is) you might want to leave ravager around the place they gather, so when they come after your heroic throw, you will start generating aggro. Try using your thunderous roar early into the pull and try to have it every big pull so you can snap a lot of aggro once the mobs are all close

Ravager generates a ton of rage you can pump into ignore pain, so it helps you stay alive. I love it on floodgate and priory first pulls, leave it in the corridor when gathering dark flame as well so it generates aggro on the small ones

Don’t hesitate to use your last stand early into the pull as well, if you see yourself dropping below half hp

[waxen quarry]

bro i was watching yodas stress testing

hooooly trampoline hp

god damn

actually just bdk

[cerulean tusk]

I hope they nerf Warrior selfsustain, so that only VDH can do it

that seems fair

[sweet summit]

real

[rigid schooner]

I was also watching this video today and i wanna ask what the fuck did the do to fuel the violence? never seen it do that much healing in my life or is it just a byproduct of him soloing the pack and not having a actual healer with him?

[sweet summit]

buffed it by a little tiny amount

[rigid schooner]

Is it one of the earlier patch notes? kinda wanna go back and read it now lmao

[sweet summit]

ptr

let me see if i find it

[rigid schooner]

[sweet summit]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ghosts-of-k’aresh-development-notes/577478

[rigid schooner]

WHAT

what is this buff bro

KEKW

[sweet summit]

well.. let's just say.. spell block is kil

[rigid schooner]

i heard they killed spell block

time to read patch notes

that is one hell of a bad take to remove the spell

[sweet summit]

:))))))))))))

[rigid schooner]

also thanks btw @sweet summit <3 wouldnt have found this myself lmao

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

Dont worry they jist nerfed all the dungeons specfically for prot warrior and it not have spell block

[sweet summit]

sorry you had to read that hope you get well soon

[dusky canopy]

TLDR: We don’t think our player base has enough intelligence to play with this ability

[sweet summit]

which is true to be fair but still

[jagged pier]

Yet we still have 2 that work like spell block

[rigid schooner]

nah its all good man, my premade healer was concerened that my brew wouldnt work out so i got sent the yoda video and we started discussing it and i got curious why he was healing so much.

Any input is always helpful <3

they reall did remake this tree alot holy smokes

[slender bison]

Honestly after the giga tank busters nerfs spell block is soooo 2023

And Eco Aldani will be tuned probably post launch since they always do that with new dungeons

Bad time to not be a brown class

[rigid schooner]

i feel like this is kinda giga no?

[jagged pier]

Posted 1 yesterday

[jagged pier]

Yes

[rigid schooner]

only thing i feel like spellbreaker is kinda useless right? Hunker down isnt bad i guess for the 10% extra dr towards magic dmg tho

[slender bison]

@rigid schooner you want builds already? It's PTR just experiment for yourself

[rigid schooner]

oh nah just asking what people think

[slender bison]

And yes, Keybreaker is bad. You shouldn't rely on casino as a tank

[rigid schooner]

i was just staring at it, i dont theorycraft pwarr often so was just wanting actual pwarr input

[dusky canopy]

They made disrupting shout easier to take that’s a win

[slender bison]

Problem is you kinda have to take 3 talent points for 18% MDR

Kinda sucks

[dusky canopy]

Yeah especially now without SpB

[slender bison]

And another 2/2 to shield spec which is mandatory since block value is rare

[rigid schooner]

i mean the raw amount of extra stats you get through this talent tree is kinda unreal

[slender bison]

And too many deadend nodes

[rigid schooner]

alot of them yeah

how is rage gen nowadays? still need to take bloodsurge etc or can you put into something else?

[slender bison]

Instigate for boss fights

Blood surge is a trap, even in S2. Just take Ravager or Thunderlord

[rigid schooner]

wish there was a noted emote on this disc

but yeah fair enough

[round cliff]

damn im in class and there ain't even a professor here yet dawg

is this the real college experience

™

[mortal cypress]

it's your cue to walk out as you arent getting the service you are paying for

[wintry nymph]

this explanation is even worse than the other one they had noted

😂

[nocturne spindle]

Where new build

[mellow bridge]

maybe later tonight

[small steeple]

when blizz wakes up from the 4th of july bender

[slender bison]

They're prob under Microsoft layoffs radar right now.

[frosty mango]

Bunch of qa got laid off

[small steeple]

man you got just made it get real :sad:

[frosty mango]

Or so I hear

[wintry nymph]

are they giving prot any form of magic damage reduction since they are removing spell block ?

to compensate ?

wouldn't prot be kinda fucked outside of spell reflect otherwise?

[frosty mango]

Yeah they nerfed all the dungeons

[urban bane]

depends how they continue to tune the tank busters

[frosty mango]

Tomato tomahto ya know

[dusky canopy]

Just take the 10% addition to spell reflect and call it day

Bing chillin

Sweeping execute goes so hard

Definitely gotta find a way to squeeze mass and heavy handed

[frosty mango]

Brewjj in the wrong channel again

Someone take this man back home

[dusky canopy]

No I am not

Heavy handed is in the tree bro

Sweeping executes

Perma

[frosty mango]

Yes you are didn’t you know this is the guardian Druid channel?

[dusky canopy]

That’s so good

[deft hinge]

what u guys talking about?? this is twitter. #feelsgood #yoga #fitness & health

[small steeple]

I thought this wa MySpace

[frosty mango]

Who can guess my protspace top 5?

[spark cedar]

Wait they nerfed magic busters legit?

[mighty valley]

yeah

[dusky canopy]

We can just defensive stance + spell reflect all magic busters now

We’re immortal

[solid sun]

It's going to be so sick when we're never nerfed again for the entirety of wow's existence

[frosty mango]

Yeah, totally.

https://tenor.com/view/no-chance-no-chance-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-5431629

[violet ginkgo]

[crude nimbus]

fueled by violence 100% going to get nerfed

[zinc juniper]

fueled by violence will get back to the live value for sure i think.

at best 150%

[jagged pier]

Almoat lile they had too as they didnt want to add spell block back, and therefore had to change things so warrior could. U know. Live

[nocturne spindle]

big momma dot still gonna be suffering

[frosty mango]

It’s wild to me that they nerfed the dungeons

[jagged pier]

Well thats what they did

Look at them they are tailored for warrior

[frosty mango]

Like OBVIOUSLY the intent is to help tanks live through busters

[zinc juniper]

we can self heal momma dot with giga buffed fueled by violence on the drones.

[crude nimbus]

150% even might be a bit high, it is already very competitive and good on live at 110%

[frosty mango]

Why not just add spell block back lol

Instead of nerfing literally all the dangerous busters - which doesn’t solve anything at the high end because eventually it will still scale to a place where we have no answer

[nocturne spindle]

hopefully bubbles is free to skip without meld and we can meld skip the double pack at the end of floodgate

[frosty mango]

I wouldn’t bank on meld pots being popular

Dungeon routing isnt really built in a way that makes them feasible given the trade off, similar to invis pots now

[zinc juniper]

meld pots shares cds with tempered right?

[frosty mango]

Would have been better if blizz gave us three potion cooldowns, offensive, defensive, utility - even the playing field and let us strategize around meld and invis pots

[frosty mango]

Yes

[nocturne spindle]

difference is invis pots require 5 people giving up their pots

[zinc juniper]

oh, no one will using this lmao

[nocturne spindle]

when its only the tank giving up one tempered pot for a big skip

totally worth it

[frosty mango]

100% not how the community will see it though

[nocturne spindle]

i mean that doesnt matter

your the tank

your just do it

[frosty mango]

Doing a meld skip in that manner requires coordination and I expect most pugs will forego it altogether

[nocturne spindle]

what

every group does bubbles skip you just do it and use a potion if your not a nelf now

it requires no more coordination than before?

[frosty mango]

Im talking at the entire scale not 16-20

Literally almost no one skipping bubbles below like 16s

[small steeple]

bubbles got moved to where swampface is I think, soooo might not be skippable now depending on when it spawns

[frigid valley]

there's currently some skips ive seen that requires 5x nelfs in group xD

[nocturne spindle]

has PTR been up

i thought no one knew where he got moved yet

[small steeple]

not sure where I heard it, but I've seen it in several different places

[zinc juniper]

just delete bubbles this guy sucks /s

[frigid valley]

Bubbles will randomly spawn in the key like the butcher in d4

[nocturne spindle]

yea no one knows where bubbles is

all speculation

but regardless the bubbles part of the statement isnt important

[small steeple]

yeah not sure where i saw it, but yeah, ptr servers aren't even up lol

[nocturne spindle]

"do meld skip as tank for 1 potion" is better than invis skips as 5 popele

[frosty mango]

Agree

I just don’t think people will see it that way on the wider end and end up being worried they will scuff or mess it up

[mighty valley]

We all did invis pot skips in HoA when it was around the first time (if we didn't have a rogue), interested to see what we do now

[frigid valley]

honestly, mages should start using mass invis, they are to dumb 9/10 times to press barrier at the right time anyways

[frosty mango]

lol

Based take

[frigid valley]

can't tell how many times the only barrier ive seen has been at 0 when countdown for key is going, then nothing rest of the key

[runic granite]

When you see that and are like “oh a good Mage” but then turns out nope lol

[mighty valley]

it's easy to be "good" when there's literally nothing else going on haha

[violet ginkgo]

somehow it felt weird when the class designer and dungeon designer don't communicate in the first place.

things like "we add magic heavy dungeon" then forgot "oh shiet warrior doesn't have things for magic damage." then adding spellblock.
Now they remove spellblock then said to the dungeon design team "Hey we decide to remove spellblock so change the entire dungeon so this one tank class could live."

[jagged pier]

[nocturne spindle]

now it simply tickles the other tanks 🙂

[jade hazel]

I would share this with the mages but they can’t read

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/sped-cube-gif-3640796934732154156

[lilac widget]

yo guys

im a very average player

where would be best to target for those last 39 points?

[nocturne spindle]

ML>Top>DFC

[lilac widget]

❤️

if i get 13s in those is that 3k?

[nocturne spindle]

it should be

its like 14-15 point per key level

[spark cedar]

Will suck high end for sure

[lilac widget]

awesome 🙂

does wowhead have a written explanation on the tome trinket, cause i know you guys helped me the other night with it but i still dont understand it

i was told basically a dps trinket press when flash, but i thought it advanced as you were attacked

[stiff gate]

blizzard buffing the commander bleed in dawnbreaker by 33% they have lost their god damn minds

[viscid forge]

is cyrce ring not worth using as a prot warrior?

[mellow bridge]

it is until you have high hero track/myth track rings

[pallid glacier]

Does anyone have tips on movement as a protection warrior? I feel so god damn slow when running dungeons, and I know it’s a me issue, since I usually have trouble keeping up with protection warriors when running heals or DPS

I’m studying the rotation guide on WoWhead for some tips

[worthy lichen]

speed enchant?

[violet ginkgo]

Max speed enchant then charge around and leap around

[nocturne spindle]

yea i mean

what do you mean you feel slow?

just walking between packs?

[mighty valley]

yeah we're one of the more mobile tanks... are you used to another class?

[stiff gate]

warrior feels slow to me... but only because i play monk as my other tank

disc belt honestly huge nerf to my sanity, my poor nitro boosts 😭

[slender bison]

Yeah, once you play monk, the warrior feels slow. Funny enough VDH had same mobility as warr

But warr is fast when it has things to charge

Bonus if you use intervene (bleh) for quick pivot

Monk has cringe AoE taunts though

[worthy lichen]

Does it look like intervene will have any use besides movement next season?

[sharp gale]

Typically it is 4 13s and 4 12s

[slender bison]

Intervene is an old world legacy artefact spell when you lost agro or someone ninja pulled. Good for white auto attacks, but things were slower and threat was hard to maintain. Hope they rework or delete it in Midnight. It's a dead talent since ... Forever

Or move it exclusively to pvp bar of course

[frosty mango]

No, because there’s not much to it

As you get hit, it gains stacks, 1-50

It has two modes - sword (crit plus damage proc) and shield (magic absorb shield). When your stacks hit 50 it switches modes and flips back and forth as you build to 50

The on use swaps the mode on demand

So the intent is you just press the on use as soon as it swaps to shield mode to flip it back to sword

There’s a little nuance to it but for the most part that’s it

[mellow bridge]

intervene has a few useful uses once in a while

like cheesing NW 1st boss last season

[worthy lichen]

Does it only stop auto attacks? or does it work on physical abilities like shouts?

[frigid valley]

yuge

[cobalt wagon]

whats the highest dmg talent to drop imdomitable for? just doing 12s with normal collosus build. is it one of the ravager capstones?

[jagged pier]

battering ram

[cobalt wagon]

damn that one looks boring.. was hoping it would be double charge of ravager

[urban bane]

lmao

No... we got it. No clarity needed

[jade pulsar]

xD

[frigid valley]

clarify a gust of air gg

[mellow bridge]

i dont get that change

[frosty mango]

Intervene is actually huge people just never use it right

[mellow bridge]

does that even do anything considering the line below that lol

[chilly brook]

yesn't

[mellow bridge]

:hmmge

oh right no external emotes

[chilly brook]

if you still have something next to you it will aoe at least

lol

[mellow bridge]

ah true

[chilly brook]

but I mean just make it hit the main target

[frigid valley]

nothing worse than channeling then mob randomly moves 2 yards away and shit misses

[tiny solstice]

are the tier set sim compare to current or "no tier set" ?

[frosty mango]

Tbh they could just give demolish the whirling dragon punch treatment

Let you move while channeling but have it lock you at the end

Would still have nuance but we wouldn’t get trolled so much

[chrome falcon]

oh my god they updated the tooltip for spellbreaker

but that means they're actually thinking of it as a real talent that should exist

terrifying

[jagged pier]

yer they are

its a noob trap talent

nothing more nothing less

[chrome falcon]

this is a noob trap class

get me out

[chilly brook]

The talent should exist||, except it should only exist with another component added to it such as "you gain the ability to block all spells but only at 20% effectiveness"||

[frigid valley]

rng defensives shouldnt be a thing. period

[jagged gust]

I think the entire talent node is a trap

Trying to steal my free execute damage

[frigid valley]

bruh they actually rubbing it in at this point hehe. shorter cd when nothing in raid can be gripped xD

[solid sun]

Did we get nerfed @frosty mango

[strong forum]

not yet

[frosty mango]

Neg please continue to clench your buttholes

[elfin ginkgo]

Is there any1 who has a ML route they are happy with and want to share with me?

[frigid valley]

new bubbles spot is awesome

[jagged pier]

its sad

[nocturne spindle]

https://www.twitch.tv/zorthas/clip/TacitJollyOwlBlargNaut-3Wn_iULrnpEpfU94

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

its great

[urban bane]

That is beautiful

actually lolin

[worthy lichen]

LOL

is this real

[urban bane]

100%

[cerulean tusk]

I miss bubbles bubbles made me feel good about my fury dam

[warm plinth]

So are the mobs he kills when he spawns there now?

[solid sun]

They put a Bubbles Jr. down there

[nocturne spindle]

i unno

i just got sent the clip

not actually watching any streams

[warm plinth]

Can you imagine? Poor lad's father went to get milk and never came back.

[worthy lichen]

no trash at all on the big momma stockpile

[frigid valley]

the hell man u play on an old gameboy or something

[worthy lichen]

settings turned down to 0

i dont know if it was just me but pulling those 2 mobs by the pile was a huge pain

had to stand in 1 particular spot

so this is nice

[nocturne spindle]

they really just said

fuck ur skips they arent skips anymore

im digging it

[mellow bridge]

he was a family father you monsters

laughing at his brutal death

[mellow bridge]

ye just 3 soldiers

just take em into next pull, they dont do shit anyways

[warm plinth]

Cool thats what I was hoping

[warm plinth]

#JusticeForBubbles

[pallid quiver]

he had children? all the more reason to rid the world of his filth smh

[pallid glacier]

yeah, I’m used to playing Death Knight

[pallid glacier]

Yes. I think I struggle to use my mobility spells(?) (like charge and jump) well.

[hardy snow]

[mighty valley]

Lessgo

[worthy lichen]

is there much reason at all to be taking this if shield block has 90% uptime, and the block value is about +3%?

[small steeple]

black value is like,e the most important stat for prot war

[worthy lichen]

is it ever auto attacks that kill you?

[mighty valley]

no, because of block value lol

[worthy lichen]

havnt tanked high keys yet

[small steeple]

this

[worthy lichen]

but ive never died to auto attacks

[small steeple]

block value=damage reduction from block

also, more than auto attacks are blocked, lots of tank busters are blockable

[worthy lichen]

ya but my impression is things that are blockable are never what actually kills you

[mellow bridge]

this is what dmg taken looks like in a key

melees are by FAR the highest dmg intake you have

you will basically never die to pure magic damage, it's always in combination with melees

[small steeple]

death by a thousand cuts

[mellow bridge]

also reducing melee dmg leaves more IP for other things

[worthy lichen]

so melee being most of the damage you take, means its what kills you most of the time?

[mighty valley]

it's very consistent and prot warrior handles it better than others

because of block

so it rarely actually kills us, but it's still damage

[worthy lichen]

never said it wasnt

[vocal cave]

looks like spellbreaker is here to stay 🙂

[shut summit]

yes

spell block isn't coming back

[mighty valley]

we've ignored bad talents before, i have faith we can do the same this time

[solid sun]

No

This time they added clarity to it so we can’t just ignore it

We have to super ignore it with extra stank on it

[shut summit]

you still got debuffs when it procced, so the "negate" verbiage was misleading

[true yoke]

which are the best trinkets for protection war to do m+ keys rn?

[shut summit]

they just changed it so you don't need outside knowledge 🙃

[zenith aurora]

Did they remove spell block or reflect? I finally used reflect in a ToP for first time ever and it was sick

[mighty valley]

spell block

[small steeple]

what did they change with spell breaker phrasing? Reads the same to me lol

[small bone]

Is Spellbreaker taking the place of SR and Spell Block or adding to them?>

[shut summit]

negate isn't there anymore

[undone beacon]

“Negate the attack” vs “reduce damage by 100%”

Presumably it means like, if an attack leaves a dot it wont hurt but will still leave dot

[small steeple]

ahhh

[small bone]

We are still keeping Spell Reflect and Spell Block with Spellbreaker or no?

[worthy lichen]

spell breaker is a meme

spell reflect is baseline

basically

[small bone]

Interesting.

[shut summit]

spell block is gone

[crimson furnace]

chance we don't get nerfed to the ground??

looking at kyra now

and I am wet in the pants

I am hory doggo

[undone lake]

low asf

[crimson furnace]

I am the one who calls!!

[undone lake]

i mean, not to the ground but a nerf is reasonable fair

[frosty mango]

this is like super not true imo

melee is the highest damage taken yes but the incidence of damage taken is also vastly higher than all other sources, if you look a dtps over the short term melee isn't really dangerous to warriors bc of block

if you're getting blasted to melees either shield block fell off or youre getting hit in the back

random key I pulled (priory) I took 500m melee yes but raw melee is 4.6b which means I mitigated 90% of it roughly

[worthy lichen]

Thats why i was wondering about the value of a shield block talent.

[frosty mango]

and if you look at dtps it barely crested 1m at all ever for melee

and you're healing nearly double the inbound dtps of melee

so imo melee is really not dangerous ever to a warrior assuming shield block is up and you are not getting hit in the back

[worthy lichen]

the 8% block chance does almost nothing because of shield block, and the 16% value is +3% block value

[frosty mango]

given it's position on the tree and our current talent pathing I could see scenarios where we may drop it, but I'm not sure any of the other talents really have enough of a value add to offset it currently

thats a tuning thing though not a design one

[worthy lichen]

ya theres not alot else thats great

[solid sun]

Hey Roid is the passive ravager thing in lieu of standard ravager

Or can you rock both

[frosty mango]

if were talking pure damage for colo I think it might be close to this but Im not 100% sure on the value of BSC yet, and this definitely is not a push or prog build, since im foregoing a lot of defensive power

[frosty mango]

I think right now passive is signifigantly stronger unless they changed it

but yeah choice node

[solid sun]

In the past you’ve mentioned you don’t view ravager as a damage ability

[frosty mango]

I don't, generally

[solid sun]

But instead a rage generator and gathering tool

[worthy lichen]

the passive ravager is more damage?

[solid sun]

Do you think you’d forego passive ravager to maintain control over when you get to use it

[frosty mango]

it procs a lot though, enough that I would probably give up the gather tool

I'd prob still take self cast in a key like workshop

[solid sun]

Because of the first room?

[frosty mango]

yeah

pulls where the spread is very big

and it's inefficient to heroic throw

I still wish we had titanic throw back

[warm plinth]

Not a chance. 5ppm makes it like twice as good as regular ravager

[solid sun]

I see

[solid sun]

I hope Bubbles Jr returns in a future expansion

For vengeance

[cyan bronze]

Lets you grab TL ig

[frosty mango]

Yea but you give up hunker down plus execute talents to get it

Lot of st damage loss

[cyan bronze]

Idk if you play execute talents in keys

But yeah hunker down

[frosty mango]

If the choice is thunder lord and last stand imo we might

[cyan bronze]

Yea

[frosty mango]

Massacre and exe damage are a sizable boss damage bump

Who knows where we’ll end up

Robot gods will issue their decree shortly after 11.2 drops

[frosty mango]

Yea I was getting like 4.5ppm and that’s just vastly more damage - worth taking

But I expect they tune it closer to 2

[warm plinth]

Me too. And I hope it's in a scenario where the player can't win. Like a quest where you get fucked up by him and wake up back at the quest giver

[cyan bronze]

We can take hunker+1 execute talent if we drop shield spec

assuming both rage talents

massacre is almost certainly better than red right hand but w/e

[heavy sparrow]

Funny enough playing PTR I thought about dropping last stand

I'd drop ravager and just get the block at least so far

But thing is the shield block uptime sounds pretty alright

[cyan bronze]

It’s a shame the gating on enduring defenses is how it is

[near salmon]

I would like to see that too. Honestly never get why so many people hated bubble.

[stiff gate]

because he was annoying to fight and even more annoying to skip

[near salmon]

Yes, it's an annoying fight. But in my mind, I try to think of it as the dungeon itself being difficult rather than hating on bubble itself. I think it's a funny (voice) and cute looking npc that doesn't derserve the hate.

[warm plinth]

Are you guys making raid builds?

[frosty mango]

Not sure there’s gonna be much diff on this tree tbh

[jagged gust]

Last Stand is a MT only node imo

but honestly

MT builds kinda slap

[small steeple]

good slap or bad slap?

[jagged gust]

good slap, needing to take TL means easy access to tough as nails which with the ICD removed is kinda nice, plus with the FBV buff and insane IP pool from MT it's very cozy taking damage

[heavy sparrow]

Things can change still before live

[small steeple]

interesting, only seen people talking about col so far, which makes sense with how trash the MT tierset currently is

[jagged gust]

It does lose access to the exe talents for the most part which makes me think it's not gonna be the go to for raid

the proc of a proc of a proc BS with the tier set is really whack

[warm plinth]

I'm asking because there's a worrying number of people not taking enduring defenses when they're also taking into the fray.

[jagged gust]

I saw a streamer say they're not taking ITF because "it doesn't seem necessary this season"

[restive oak]

but it still seems high value for 1 node, i donno we'll see how it feels when its actually out

[urban bane]

🤔

[frosty mango]

Uh

I’m reasonably sure itf is flat haste which would make it super valuable

I follow the logic but I don’t think it would be a no-take

[urban bane]

ya idk about itf being a pass. we'd hafta have a loooot of haste to not get value out of additive %

[hardy snow]

aoe demolish is cool

[warm plinth]

Wat

It's not additive haste.

It's multiplicative like any other % haste gain

That's why it's as good as it is. Because if you have e.g. 20% haste, it's 1.20 x 1.08 = 1.296 or 29.6% haste (meaning you're getting 9.6% haste from it, not 8%)

Gets better the more haste you have

[ashen kestrel]

Been gearing up my prot alt for next season a bit, wasn’t sure how high I’d push so I used 6 dinars on some hero trinkets

Now that I have a few 13s and 14s done, I’m confident I’ll get be able to get a myth with my last 3

TLDR: if you only have 3 dinars to play with on prot, are you taking a pacemaker myth or a tome myth?

[frosty mango]

Yea it gives you a flat % of your current haste right?

Ie there’s no in between, at 5 targets it’s giving you haste x 1.08 regardless of how much you have

[warm plinth]

No, it's calculated exactly how I showed there

Unless that's what you mean idk. Might be misunderstanding you

[warm plinth]

Pacemaker for keys

[frosty mango]

TLDR it doesn’t dr, if you have 10000 haste it will give you 800 haste

If you have 20000 haste it will give you 1600

Er

Backward

Anyway I’m saying g it deals in percents and doesn’t Dr

Which makes it very good

[ashen kestrel]

Thanks!

[warm plinth]

It does not DR, but to be clear, those numbers aren't correct

[hardy snow]

you just said it gives rating lol

[frosty mango]

Yeah I mean the opposite, my daughter is playing her violin and I’m literally dying

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/ooh-yikes-cringe-oh-no-ouch-gif-17243244

[warm plinth]

Same reason lust is as good as it is. Lust gives you 30% haste but that's also multiplicative. If you have 30% haste before lust, the calculation for haste during lust is 1.3 x 1.3 = 1.69. So it's actually giving you 39% haste, not 30

[frosty mango]

TLDR itf is basically mini perma lust

[warm plinth]

Yep

[grim pilot]

Thats also the reason why in top groups during bl you dont pi the dk but boomie instead

Even though you have like 20-25% haste you get extra 7% from hero talents + bl and all of a sudden youre at gcd cap

[gilded glacier]

I don't remember if I've ever simmed a tank before. Do I just pop it into raidbots like I would a DPS?

[nocturne spindle]

yea

[gilded glacier]

gotcha

[errant wagon]

With the focus of M+, anyone got a TLDR; of which dungeons I would rather take Bomb-Suit over Mud as a defensive trinket?
Mud seems better in most scenarios, but I'm not sure if there is some specific interations I'm not thinking about that make bomb-suit a better choice

[mighty valley]

Kinda got it the other way around — bombsuit is more generically powerful, but floodgate and priory (specifically first boss) are dot heavy enough to make mud better

[errant wagon]

Can you try to help me understand why? context I only have access to heroic bomb suit, but the damage prevented from bombsuit is lower than the total shield of mud, plus you're still taking 25% damage with bomb suit active, meanwhile you could shieldwall + mud to make the shield last longer, I think?

and most dungeons have at least some kind of dot so generally mud isn't ever 2min

[warm plinth]

I believe mud is better in priory and floodgate (someone can correct me if I'm wrong). We like bombsuit because it synergizes really well with ignore pain

Since we take 25% of the damage but we then have IP to counter what's left. That combined with the shorter cd pulls ahead in dungeons that don't have a lot of dots on us

[errant wagon]

Ahhhh, that's what I was not understanding. Didn't realize IP comboed with it like that

Ok thank you, that makes sense

[final crater]

Does it matter what direction youre facing when clicking the coil on one armed bandit? Took a 25mil hit from it with shield block up

[warm plinth]

I can't speak specifically for that mechanic but generally you need to be facing the boss for any mechanic that you're blocking even if it's not technically coming from the boss.

E.g. you can block drill smash on last boss of ML but even though it hits the ground, you still can't block it if you don't face him.

[final crater]

Ok that makes sense, I can at least try having both the coil and boss in front of me then. Thanks!

[frosty mango]

Nope you’re right

[frosty mango]

Generally you need to face the origin of the attack which is the boss

But some stuff is wonky, I’m not sure how oab works

[round cliff]

we're officially over the avg pull count on sprock

[frosty wave]

Hello everyone, I've been told to not use shield wall while pulling and gathering the first suleyman pull in PSF. Why ? And What should I use during this time ?

[jagged gust]

that sounds silly

[mighty valley]

Avatar on pull will give 4s of shield wall anyway. I’m guessing people are telling you to hold the real shield wall charges for the shield slams but it’s not the end of the world if you feel like you need to use one while gathering. Just make sure to get shield block up and don’t turn your back while gathering

[frosty wave]

I usually
Charge the first four mobs
Slam
jump to the patrol on the right
Thunderous roar
Wall
Pull the shooter with heroic throw
shield Charge suleyman
Avatar
Go to the corner with the first bump

[mighty valley]

The main point against using shield wall mid-gather is that some of it is wasted if you’re moving or enemies are moving to you etc

Plus many of the more threatening abilities don’t happen right away

But idk, it’s not a hard and fast rule, sometimes gathering is the threatening part

I feel like I barely ever use shield charge as a pulling/movement ability, I just hold it til I’ve gathered

But sounds like others use it earlier so idk

[frosty wave]

Yeah i've seen both, some people use it as first charge to keep aggro on the first pack until you finally gather and other don't

Idk

I'm learning both warrior and fundamentals of tanking at the same time

It's a lot

[solid sun]

My group really struggled with the combo of Suleyman plus the knight so I stopped pulling Suleyman with my first pull

Which meant my first pull didn’t require quite as much ground to be covered and actually made my job gathering a bit easier :) I’m in the group of rarely if ever using shield charge at range

[frosty wave]

What key level are you ? And how do you pull suleyman ?
Genuine question

[undone beacon]

Took us 268 :3

fucking SUCKED

now we’re wiping on bandit wheeee

We don’t have enough dps WHEEEE

[nocturne spindle]

wew

only had one fun experience

[rugged root]

is 1.47m overrall on a +11 a good overrall?

[urban bane]

was it better than you've done before? if so that's good. in general terms? kinda low for prot warrior

[rugged root]

Forgot to type I’m 655 lol

[mighty valley]

did you time the key? then you’re fine. you could def be doing more and could request advice with a log but if you’re doing the keys you wanna do then all is good

[vale escarp]

Still depents on the Dungeon, in ToP 1,5m overall looks fine, in other Dungeons it's low but as long as you timed the Dungeon its fine

[blazing ridge]

If you have a Log we could give more tips on what Button you might be clicking to much and what buttons are not pressed enough

I feel like I sometimes still press to much IP and still parsing 99 on my 13 or 14 keys right now

[frosty wave]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7zvgnaNT6pkD1PX4?fight=7&type=damage-done

It's only a 14 and i'm trying to get to the next level doing 15

What advice would you give me with this log ?

[opaque bobcat]

2.5m overall in most dungeons pretty good at this point? Varies a bit but thats about my avg. Colossus if it isn't obvious.

[blazing ridge]

I would say you press your SS not often enough

Also your Avatar Uptime is not high enough, probably due to having less rage from not enough SS uses

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DMXfZkpAHLt89NPg?fight=last&type=casts&source=3

This is my Mechagon from yesterday, was my first 14 too, though number might be a bit skewed since we almost wiped on first pull and I had a bit more uptime there then it wouldve probably been

You had 50 CPM while I had 60 CPM

So I would say it boils down to you not using every GCD effectively

But yeah thats what I would see from the log perspective, but I am a beginner aswell so might take it with a grain of salt xdd

I am struggling with this aswell, you really need to press SS as soon as possible after it resets, and try to use your Outbursts on SS, try to fish for SS resets when VO is up but at max 2 GCD if you didnt reset it then just send your Clap

[frosty wave]

I'm spamming more revenge than I should from what I saw on other logs

I was used to spam SS when using Thane but thought that with colossus it was all about revenge

What is VO ?

[blazing ridge]

Its about Revenge but SS is still highest priority

Violent Outburst

You also need to press Shieldblock more, uptime is way too low and your SS does more damage when Shieldblock is up

Basic rota is like Shieldslam > Revenge > Thunder Clap, alway keep up Shieldblock and only Ignore Pain when above 75 Rage

Send your cooldowns as soon as they are up, but dont use them at the end of the pulls so they are up for the next gather or when you need them for Tankbusters

You see the thing is, when you use Revenge while your Shield Slam is avaible you starve yourself from another Shield Slam reset that might have happend if you used Shield Slam before your next Revenge

If you do this continously over a Key you lose dmg rage and mitigation

[frosty wave]

I'll try to use more shield slam on lowest key until i'm confident enough

[blazing ridge]

Nah man your fine, you can play high keys

I mean you timed a 14 mecha dont downplay yourself

[frosty wave]

This is very useful advice thanks, until here I was more or less spamming buttons

but maybe it's time to learn a bit more about the spec

I've done 3 15 but difficulty gap is way higher

[blazing ridge]

definitly get a WA that yells at you when your Shieldblock is down

always something to learn from looking at logs, and I am not even close to playing optimal

but thats what what makes WoW fun xd always something to improve on

[sharp merlin]

This is by far the best advice anyone can ever offer a Prot Warrior 😄

the 75 to IP, otherwise everything else goes into Revenge / SB

[sharp merlin]

I have a really good one if you want @frosty wave which also tells me when it's down and which one to press between Shield Block / Shield Charge and it does a little sound of your choice, and the Shield Block Icon (when up) glows when it has 1 sec remaining

[frosty wave]

Yeah would love to

[sharp merlin]

I'll send it when I get home :D!

[frosty wave]

Sure ! I'll come back to you by EOD

[blazing ridge]

Yea would like to have this too pom

[sharp merlin]

Oh sick :D! sure!

[blazing ridge]

I sometimes have it running out too when in combat xdd

[sharp merlin]

Oh yeah, it's annoying

causee I have the sound on loop

every couple of seconds if I don't have it up

and bosses like, Rookery or the Mage in ToP

it goes off all the time 😂

and I'm like nooo.. shhh I don't need SB right now 😂

[blazing ridge]

sometimes its like fuck why so much dmg suddenly, oh yea dumbass 2 Shieldblock charges remaining -_-

but pressing Revenge is more fun :<

@frosty wave I would also advice you to maybe put Ignore Pain and Shieldblock on Mouse buttons, as these buttons are off the GCD and frees up your left hand for pressing your damage stuff

[sharp merlin]

I have my SB on the 'Console' button next to 1 and the IP, I put that on my mouse. I believe Quazii puts his on scroll up / down on his mouse, but I prefer to control my zoom that way

[blazing ridge]

yeah its samey for me SB is on 4 but IP on a Mouse Button

still getting rid of the habbit of pressing too much IP leaving me Rage starved sometimes, but its getting better 🙂

[lime urchin]

Excuse me what is this rambling
Shield block should be on R and ignore pain on A thank you very much

[frosty wave]

I have them on Wheel up and down, I don't know which one I should press more
To be honest up until here I had a macro where I binded Clap and Shield block on the same button, I realise now it was a big mistake

But i'm getting confused on up and down, just the time to get use to it

[frosty wave]

I think i'm too used to spend rage on either IP or revenge not something else

[sharp merlin]

Calm down satan

[blazing ridge]

I thought IP was way more important in the beginning, but you will notice you dont need it except for a few very hard boss fights where its a bit higher priority

[sharp merlin]

You don’t ADAD?

Strafing is so key in this game, holy hahaha

Especially if you don’t wanna expose your back

[blazing ridge]

There is a special kind of breed that runs with both mouse buttons...dont ask me xdd

[frosty wave]

I have french keyboard

so your A is my Q

[blazing ridge]

Didnt know french had different layouts

[frosty wave]

AZERTY

[sharp merlin]

Ah baguette! ahahah sorry, as a UK player, I can't help myself 😂

[frosty wave]

Please still send me the weak aura 😢

[sharp merlin]

I will I will 😄 once I'm home I'll share it

[zenith aurora]

Weakaura sounds dope can I sign up for a receive also

[zenith aurora]

This is me. I see the vision with having it on mouse wheel but I like zoom control

[blazing ridge]

I think someone somewhere wrote that you can just Shift Mouswheel for Zoom Control

[zenith aurora]

Oh that might be clutch. I think I heard quazii has other classes using the scroll wheel maybe DH?

[frosty wave]

Druid for IF

[lilac basalt]

I have abilities on scroll, zoom on shift scroll and I have 4 camera presets bound to ctrl f1-4. I think its pretty nice

[zenith aurora]

Hmm this is tempting I think I gotta try it before next season or start of

[frigid valley]

and here comes the demon.

I have shield block on spacebar, and IP on capslock xD

[zenith aurora]

Spacebar! That’s a demon

[frigid valley]

cmon ask me how i jump

[zenith aurora]

How do you…how do you jump go on

[frigid valley]

foot pedal!

[patent scroll]

heresy

That's push to talk

[zenith aurora]

Pedallers in the wild

[frigid valley]

having a proper mic* allows you to use voice activation

[zenith aurora]

Those using scroll wheel what do you put on up vs down? I assume you’d want block on the more natural movement but curious what the common one is

[lilac basalt]

Wheel up is always a ranged attack for me so for warrior, I have heroic throw, while down is the “basic” defensive, shield block (I started this with iron fur back in the day 😀)

[sharp merlin]

Weak Aura export for @blazing ridge / @frosty wave

https://justpaste.it/jjivc

Just went and exported it, don't know how to publish in Wago, apologies

[blazing ridge]

Tyvm

[zenith aurora]

ty ty

first key with new binds and scroll wheel wish me luck

[zenith aurora]

anyone know if theres a way to make this TTS and say shield?

[high latch]

If you have a shield sound you can just change to that one under Actions -> Sound

[zenith aurora]

I don't think I have one, can I import from wago?

also, where'd this maintenance come from

[frigid valley]

soundfiles needs to be installed as a media file and not just import

[high latch]

Yeah. My shield TTS sound is from either the addon SharedMedia or CauseseDB. Don't know which one.

Or SharedMedia_Causese. Might be that one actually.

[zenith aurora]

ah nvm i have one

ty

maintenance anyway cant test my new binds fml, jsut got the kid to bed as well!

[frosty wave]

You never overlap shield block then ?

[high latch]

I have a similar WA and it's just in case I space out and forget it. Ideally it never triggers at all.

[zenith aurora]

I think it serves as more of a "shield block is down dummy get it back up" reminder

[sharp merlin]

it is

and it doesn't matter if you do

with how Colossus plays out, you shouldn't worry about overlapping SB

[trim estuary]

we done dooming in here or what?

[zenith aurora]

what were people dooming about

[trim estuary]

ptr changes

[jagged pier]

We havent seen our changes yet

[trim estuary]

What do you mean?

[jagged pier]

They havent done any tuning for the new tree at all

If they dont that would be very dumb

[trim estuary]

Stuff like that normally dont stop people from dooming tbf

[jagged pier]

Ppl are just waiting we expected it yesterday

[trim estuary]

seen some clips/testing from PTR, self healing looks massively improved at least

[jagged pier]

U mean over tuned and shouldnt not go live in that state

[trim estuary]

Probably correct yeah :p

[jagged pier]

Also most prot warriors including myself dont want to heal if we did we would play bdk

I play to mitigate

Not to heal

[trim estuary]

saw Kira stresstesting in a +15 solo, doing 4-5 mill hps

oh yeah, i know

[pallid quiver]

speak for yourself, i'm down to heal so much, it heals the rest of the party so they stop dying when healers go potato

[zenith aurora]

For me I like the classes to feel unique. I agree with those saying they don't want warrior to feel like bdk with self-healing.

[jagged pier]

U play bdk tho