protection

[bleak aspen]

No i dont. Probably would help

[grand oak]

And if you don't have a defensive while she isn't casting, yell at your healer kekw

[jagged gust]

I know sense has one

#protection message

[errant wagon]

You cry and fall on the floor.

But yea you need to just time defensives wisely, in between clearing-spray rounds she will do 2 (3?) autos I believe, so mini things to keep you alive.

In between rounds where the floor is clear and the new puddles are forming, you will get like 8 autos in a row. that's the big boy defensives

Spell block will full protect you one round, so use it for the long rounds. Next one call for an external or pair it with all your other things remaining (wall+self heal+pot). 3rd round you will have spell block again

[grand oak]

Good thing Blizzard is getting rid of Spell Block

[errant wagon]

don't worry, just rerun the key until your 4% block all the autos in a row

[grand oak]

math ain't mathing

MDI could be fire tho if that's the meta

[hardy snow]

wasnt two in previous tiers?

[warm plinth]

Yeah but if you time it, you get 3 😏

[hardy snow]

what you mean by "time it"

[warm plinth]

I'm meming

[stable bronze]

Aren’t there enough talents to have shield wall like 3 times in a row or is that not enough?

I’m also just speaking out me bum cause I’m only lvl 75 and don’t know the fights. I just saw comments about not having enough defensive CD’s.

[undone beacon]

People forget that you can technically hold avatar as a defensive with the colossus build methinks

[stable bronze]

Immovable Object gives you a 4 sec Shield Wall when activating Avatar.

[mighty valley]

When you get up to the keys when bosses like Dailcry live a long time, three shield walls is definitely not enough haha

[stable bronze]

Ah gotcha lol. Looking at the talents there looks to be a lot of effective combos of CD’s and other talents to stay alive long enough for stuff to reset. Though some dmg talents would have to be skipped.

I guess I will find out or not if I ever get that far.

[frosty mango]

its enough with CDR but there is usually one you should external

you can like allllmost squeeze it out

[warm plinth]

Just take it to the face, what's the worst that could happen amirite

[grand oak]

External becomesuper important at some point

Be sure to know how each words or you might get bad surprises

And pray if you have a resto sham

[grizzled mountain]

Sorry new to tanking and want to make sure I understand, what do you mean by rounds?

[errant wagon]

uhh, just like.... 1st set, 2nd set... 1st round, 2nd round

the moment you pull boss, let's call that "round 1", or "set 1"

she will do many autos in a row

"round 2" will happen after all 3 of the clearing shots have gone off on your teammates

[kind urchin]

Got me a new ptr shield. Ballin baby

[frosty mango]

im using the pvp shield

its big and blue

[heavy sparrow]

Maybe they know we'll be stacking ara Kara for haste now

[sharp gale]

You don’t know if ara Kara trinket will be shit or good yet

[heavy sparrow]

That's true

I don't know

[sharp gale]

Or if another one will be better, as example ara Kara vs pacemaker vs tome vs new trinkets

[worthy lichen]

will battle scarred veteran stop a 1 shot 100-0, as in will it proc and the reduce damage, or will i just die?

[warm plinth]

Provided the DR is enough to save you from the hit, you will not die

(which if 80% isn't enough to save you, idk what you just got hit by)

[worthy lichen]

so if im on say +18 big momma, bsv is enough to save me from the buster?

[frosty mango]

Yes

[worthy lichen]

ty

[frosty mango]

It procs as if the hit that would have reduced you below 30 is reduced by 80%

So you don’t necessarily see your health drop

[worthy lichen]

ya i do see it proccing at full hp

[frosty mango]

Although I believe true one shots always kill regardless unless you have an immunity up

Ex if you have guardian spirit and take unmitigated damage greater than your max health plus absorb you will simply die, and I think bsv works the same way

I’m not 100% sure I haven’t tested it in a very long time

[pallid quiver]

Some of those even go through immunities as well

But yeah, if you get hit hard enough, you just die; BSV isn't a true cheat, so you don't even have to worry about that. If you take enough damage to die through the mitigated damage of BSV, you would die

[frosty mango]

Yeah that’s how I thought it still worked for most of the proc effects, though bsv is a little diff so I wasn’t sure

I know for sure things like guardian spirit simply don’t work if the damage is greater than your health pool

You just die

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's just not actually a cheat, hence why I bring it up. Mechanically, it works different for some things

Cheats will work on some things that just set you you to dead sometimes iirc

BSV wouldn't

[devout pewter]

Hi guys.
I started tanking this patch.
I was wondering if there is a stat cap for warrior.
This is my gear and these are my stats without any buffs.

The content I do is only M+ and I would like to take much less damage and give more safety to the healer

[bleak breach]

Not really, just chase crit haste

Can chase more specific stats like changing gems and enchants. But in most cases the gain isn’t worth the effort and gold.

[sharp merlin]

I’m having slight issues with the hallway to the right on Cinder - when I run into the first pack to gather I drop immediately even with SB / Wall, what am I being hit by?

Not one shot, but health drops massively and I need it back up before the tank busters hit - and is there a way to not have the tank busters hit me? Or do I just pray I have a wall up for it?

[ionic nimbus]

You definitely rely on healers despell a due to heavy ticking dot from the small bees

It’s a magic despell

Additional the death charge from the taller bees demand a defensive as well. And random stuns can be hard for tanks (when CDs are wasted due to cancelled charges)

[sharp merlin]

Yeah this happened to me, https://www.twitch.tv/ramyllion/clip/GorgeousApatheticShieldDatSheffy-KsvKCvDl89HNW2Wi

This was the healer pov, I wasn't in voice comms with them

You can see my health just drops lol - and yeah I didn't have anything for the Final Sting - hence the 1 shot

[pallid quiver]

As a heads up, spell block works on Final Sting

It's actually your best option defensively for Final Sting, and there shouldn't be any need for it in the timeframe before bee hallway, so it should always be up

also like mentioned, there's a healer mechanic in that hallway that is really dispell on CD

So if that's someone you know, I'd recommend they actually track dispells at all and press that instead of 3x chain lightning

It's a magic dispell, so actually healer mechanic

[sharp merlin]

So Spell Block for the Final Sting?

damn..

Oh shit, it's Magic, today I learned..

[frosty mango]

Yeah and the bee dot

If you don’t get dispelled you will die

Even on like a 10

[sharp merlin]

So me falling over wasn't necessarily my fault you say 🤔

that's really good to know

and then with Benk Buzbee, do I actually need to spread out defensives properly?

[frosty mango]

Twitch is shit on mobile so I can’t watch the clip but if just just fell over more than likely it was final sting

And you didn’t spell block/reflect/stun

[frosty mango]

The pushback will hurt you but outside of that he doesn’t do much

[sharp merlin]

It was final sting on the fallover

but when i entered the pack, I dropped to like 20%

[frosty mango]

That’s probably just getting hit in the back

[sharp merlin]

any way to not get hit in the back whilst pulling it?

[frosty mango]

Strafe sideways so you’re facing it as you move

[sharp merlin]

Sick, thank you

Bee-Venom is the dot?

[pallid quiver]

Should be, yeah

[blazing ridge]

man prot warr is so much fun

hope we will be fine in s3

[frosty wave]

First 15 timed rookery
Yeah

Still feels carried by my gear and still have Impostor syndrome

[candid cove]

Should be fine unless it’s super bonkers stuff. I went on there today testing out some of the tier sets and changes and trinkets and was soloing packs on a 10. Something I’ve not been able to do on live as a prot war. The extra healing from stronger bleeds is kinda nice.

[frosty wave]

On PTR ?

I mean I'm not confident in actually being good or knowing what to do
I feel like I'm doing a lot of mistakes but gear catches up you know?

Feeling like 15 is not representative and everyone could do it

[pallid quiver]

There's tons of things that go into timed keys. Your own performance, ability to coordinate or play around other players, etc.

Even a mid-tier player will perform better than a top-end player if you just do things like not sync interrupts by knowing groups better. All that matters in the end, really, is that you cleared the content and are clearing content or are achieving your actually measurable goals

So if timing a 15 was a goal of yours, there's no reason to worry

No matter what, you did what you set out to achieve, so you can be happy

[frigid valley]

being Human male is the biggest issue in this clip tbh

[sharp merlin]

oi wtf

ahaha

[plush pond]

Hey I've heard that the new passive Ravager is better than the on use Ravager ? Bs fake news or true ?

[vast epoch]

Passive Ravager ? what the fck are they cooking over there

[vast epoch]

[patent scroll]

I mean, yeah? With those numbers it's not really even a discussion. Unless you' want the ravager for a specific timing you will never run it if the passive version is like 80% more ravager on average

[plush pond]

Tbh I don't know how the passive one actually works

[patent scroll]

Actually considering it has a 1.5 min CD it's probably closer to 150% more ravager

[plush pond]

Does it proc often ?

[patent scroll]

Literally says on the tooltip

[plush pond]

It's rppm I know but does it actually proc 5 times per minute

[patent scroll]

Yesnt

It's 5 procs per minute on average

Can be more, can be less

If you give it infinite time it's 5

that's the idea

[plush pond]

Is it a good addition to prot

Like on use Ravager is on demand so you can have a burst of rage generation

As far as I know they somewhat gut Prot's rage generation in 11.1

[patent scroll]

Haven't tested or really even followed the changes so can't comment

[pallid quiver]

It'd be a lot more rage overall

Like a lot

Notably more damage, as well

[plush pond]

Is Colossus looking the best here or Mountain Thane ? for 11.2

[pallid quiver]

The duration is shorter, but there's just so many of them in comparison if it works that way

I haven't popped onto PTR, but

Thane tier set last I had checked was direly outclassed by Colo's

So that alone heavily pushes Colo to being focused

[plush pond]

The bleed damage buff is only on your target or every enemy ?

Colossus gives massive buff on Rend and Deep wounds but it says you get it from Shield Slam crits so I assumed it's a debuff on your target

[pallid quiver]

I'd assume it's a buff for you, since it doesn't say makes the enemy take more damage

just says increase your rend and deep wounds damage

Which normally points towards a buff on you

[plush pond]

Okay that seems really good then yeah, 100% bleed buff + Arterial bleeding from the hero talent which gives 30%

[pallid quiver]

If you're curious enough, you can pop on PTR to check; I can't be arsed to afford the disk space for PTR at the moment, so I haven't popped on

[plush pond]

Well I have awful ping on ptr since I am an EU player so Idk about tanking with that ping

[pallid quiver]

Most of this you can check by just swinging at dummies and checking your buffs

it's actually easier to check there than in dungeons since you aren't worried about content, just how abilities interact

Also lets you spot bugs easier in case you need to report them

[plush pond]

Might do that, thanks

[frosty wave]

One button less !

[vast epoch]

Should had just make it less CD to 45 sec or so instead passive option , damage wise it will end up probably more fun but i definettly like to decide where i throw it while collecting packs

Atleast not more abilitys fully removed kekw

[frigid valley]

"oh it procced while u were running between 2 packs? sucks to suck "

[mellow bridge]

you got hardcore trolled by them ccing for 0 reason btw

either cc until all bees are dead

or dont cc at all

ccing once and syncing them is turbo troll

[frosty wave]

It procs on AA so can't

[elfin ginkgo]

Is an automarker in M+ still a thing? I have a hard time finding one

[frosty wave]

https://wago.io/3bViaBtT1

First result of Google redearch

[elfin ginkgo]

yeah ok

[sharp merlin]

I thought that too tbh ahahaha

[frosty wave]

And it's a thing
During high keys, being able to focus one target defined by the tank with that WA is usefull

Also useful for shotcalling

And such

Imo

Maybe that wasn't your query @elfin ginkgo

[elfin ginkgo]

yeah it was 🙂 Thanks

[frosty mango]

It’s a buff on you

Called “deeper wounds”

[warm plinth]

Good morning

[undone beacon]

Good morning USA
I’ve got a feeling that it’s gonna be a wonderful day

[warm plinth]

Yeahhhhhhh

Well i do have pool league tonight so that's something

[undone beacon]

I’ve got an interview at 1 so, fingers crossed

[lofty glen]

yoda posted a yt vid with prot warry in new dungeon. mby watch this?

[cyan bronze]

Pwar is getting gutted by launch

[frigid valley]

this is to much right? should i regem my entire gearset and use non tier gloves?

[lime urchin]

hello frens, did anyone did some testing when a certain ilvl rings start surpassing the cyrce circlet?

[warm plinth]

Just swap when a ring sims better than it

Or at this point in the season you can just craft one that'll be better. Generally around 665 if statted well though

[lime urchin]

I tried to sim it but I got lazy and asked it here instead.

[undone beacon]

Its also mentioned in the guides

[frosty wave]

I have almost 15% vers lol

[frigid valley]

hu, there's like no vers items this season it feels like worth taking.

[undone beacon]

trashmasters my beloved

[frigid valley]

ah yeah thats like 1300 or something?

still, 15% sounds crazy

[strong fox]

Ok, my brain is as smooth as butter: for Tome of Light, we should, generally, keep it in sword mode for damage, and use the active ability when we need a little more defensive power, correct? I read the pins, just want confirmation that I am understanding this trinket correctly, thanks!

[frosty wave]

679ilvl

[frosty wave]

#protection message

Press when glow

Basically it's always sword

[strong fox]

Perfect, thanks!

[frosty wave]

@frigid valley my ring is haste/vers

[frigid valley]

so 7k ish vers, yeah idk i just dont get/have vers stuff hehe,

[odd comet]

On smaller pull dungeons like TOP and mechagon does thane get closer to colossus in viability? Seen a few high key runs on those dungeons where people ran it not sure if it’s just experimenting with it or if it’s good

[frosty wave]

Usually playing with a druid with alchemical potion so I reach 15
Yoda advised around 25-30% crit
30-35% haste
Rest in Vers, I have enough gems to get 6% more ms with elusive blasphemite

I am trying to get more mastery like Pika

I like vers because it's straight damage and dr because I'm a puss

[neon elk]

So is mastery ?

Straight dmg and dr i mean

[jagged pier]

So is haste dmg and dr
So is crit damage and dr

Not straight but they di the same thing

[frosty wave]

Yeh but there is some kind of soft cap no

[neon elk]

U aint reaching that if u go haste crit anyway and just fill mastery instead of vers so i would bother with that

If u full stacked mastery then i yes but thats a different story

[frosty wave]

I am haste crit

I like the vers and could get more mastery

On 5 targets 1m30 I SIM around 4.7 mil

[slim dove]

stat caps arent a thing anymore you concern yourself with.

[rain yew]

Does anyone know why the healing+overhealing from Fueled by violence doesn't work out to 110% of deep wounds damage?

[round cliff]

mario kart is dead...

[frosty wave]

I like my stats currently 🤷‍♂️

[rain yew]

Seems like deep wound crit ticks only heal for the amount a non crit tick would heal for. It's the only way I can see to get the numbers to make sense.

[urban portal]

40/40/10/10

[dusky canopy]

40/40/10/10

[elfin ginkgo]

Battle shout works for enh shama and unh dk, right?

[solid sun]

Are they battling?

[nocturne spindle]

Yes

It works for any class that uses strength or agi gear

Well

Any spec

[elfin ginkgo]

cool

[frosty wave]

The 5% ability power should be adaptive

It should be 5% of your main stat

[slim dove]

people have been saying that for years, shout and int should just be flat mainstat

[silk trail]

how do you utilize spell block and reflect? study every single attack from that spreadsheet or is there actually an addon or wa for you to tell to use sb or sp?

im just using them when i see an obvious magic cast and hoping it would work

[nocturne spindle]

The obvious magic casts is probably good enough

I would learn the boss blocks though

[undone beacon]

Spell Reflect is also a flat magic DR, use it more for that unless you know theres reflect tech

For spell block, intuition is usually okay

[nocturne spindle]

There's a handful of good spell blocks to keep in mind

On trash

The paladins in priory

The end mobs in floodgate

The double mechanical guys pull at the end of floodgate

I think those two are the only important ones on trash...

[silk trail]

so no ezmode wa or addon right? i dont like the game tell me what to do anyway but i just wanted to know if theres a different method to track or not

thanks

[nocturne spindle]

There's a weak aura for reflect but it's a bit jank

[elfin ginkgo]

oh yeah i was actually looking for an addon that tells me if some1 is targeting me with a reflectable spell

I fucked up and used all my chips on stupid shit
I only have 1 purchase left, and I don't know whether to buy Myth Pacemaker or Myth Tome

I know in higher keys im gonna need double defensive trinkets anyway, and mythic mud does not do that much so hero is fine i guess

[undone beacon]

You do not need double defensive trinkets at all

[elfin ginkgo]

oh

[undone beacon]

Most tanks at high level keys run either 2 "offensive" trinkets or 1 defensive 1 offensive

[warm plinth]

Yerp

[undone beacon]

But its important to remember that the offensive trinkets have defensive benefits as well

[warm plinth]

You're an offensive trinket

Gottem

[undone beacon]

oh shit oh fuck

guess I'll die

[solid sun]

I use two offensive trinkets and when I die I blame myself. Not my trinkets

[lethal ridge]

yo whats the go to belt now ? crit?

[undone beacon]

Spark Burst - Haste proc

Sim it is the right answer but

If you're lazy just slap on spark burst

[warm plinth]

It's me. I'm lazy.

[solid sun]

And if you've truly achieved zen

Don't get the belt at all

[undone beacon]

No visions. No belt. No borrowed power. All raw, all natural

[elfin ginkgo]

In that case, I should probably just get Myth pacemaker right?

[warm plinth]

You should 100% use twilight dev on helm though. Who cares about optimal when you can shoot out a giant void laser

[undone beacon]

This is what I do on the bear because laser goes brrrr

I dont want a dumb floaty rock over my head

[warm plinth]

Yeah, or tome if you want more single target damage

[undone beacon]

Both are good. Pace is better AoE, Tome is better ST

[elfin ginkgo]

I like big deeps so ill run pace

[warm plinth]

I'm big sadge we get hit with the tank penalty on it when its fairly minor anyway

[undone beacon]

No way thats true

its literally a tank only trinket

reeeeee

[warm plinth]

No no

Im talking about twilight dev

Sorry

[undone beacon]

Ohhhh yeah yeah

That is true and big suck

[solid sun]

I don't mind damage penalties

I am a damage penalty

So I'm rather used to it

[woven thorn]

New prot tank here.
I’m looking for some starter WAs to track uptime on the most important abilities. Any suggestions?
WAs on Wago all seem so outdated

[elfin ginkgo]

the only thing you need to track is shield block

[sick sentinel]

dh tanks dont need to track any spells

[woven thorn]

Ignore pain?

Or good times to spell reflect or spell block?

[restive oak]

there are wa's that just tell you when you can reflect

[round cliff]

did prot paladin guide writer get fired or smth

[restive oak]

but it wont like choose the optimal time if there are multiple chances

[atomic basalt]

Ay bruh anyone know if prot got any buffs, i havent played this patch at all almost

[warm plinth]

Honestly all I did is create template icons for shield block and my defensives and put them in a dynamic group. You don't really need anything fancy.

I have shield wall, spell reflection, spell block, and shield block I think in mine. Ezpz

[ionic fern]

That's what I told my buddy. It did like 60k dps.

[frosty mango]

TWILIGHT DEV IS STONKS

ill never let her go

[woven thorn]

Did u make it yourself?

[neon elk]

What ilvl will drop from hc dungs in new season?

[chilly brook]

This really isn’t true

They still want things available for specific mechanics

[crisp hedge]

Guys, as a "kinda new" prot main and a proud last stand hater, would like to hear/read some thoughts on this change:

would free us a talent point

[chilly brook]

I’ve been enjoying running it on my outlaw rogue

[lofty warren]

Day 14 of blizz planning to kill spell block

[ionic fern]

What are you trying to aim? All 3 of those nodes,LS,TL and TaN can be considered optional.

[chilly brook]

I mean rn I’m not even sure we need it on ptr

So much self healing

[mighty valley]

if tough as nails is tuned to be good, i'd rather it be somewhere on the tree that has nothing to do with thunderlord or last stand

[round pendant]

What makes you say that

[undone beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/wowhead-now-hiring-the-war-within-protection-paladin-class-guide-writer-377420

[round pendant]

Oh

[ionic fern]

No,he stepped down himself. There's a full post in Prot pally discord.

[frosty mango]

I was a professional technical writer, I could write a killer pally guide

It will all be wrong because I don’t know anything about prot paladin but it would sound good

[crisp hedge]

I'm aiming at TaN, trying to get a damage oriented tree (only viable for lower keys and fast carrying friends). I do share a view that TaN should be somewhere else on the tree

but that is low effort change that would make me smile a bit

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure I’d take tough as nails even on it’s given iteration on the ptr

[ionic fern]

Skip all of those then

And go full aoe execute.

[frosty mango]

It’s kind of dependent on things hitting you and on lower keys everything will die so quickly it’s irrelevant and on a higher key the damage will be irrelevant and it’s eating a talent spot you could use for defense

That’s tuning though

[frigid valley]

isnt that like 80% of wowhead guides? xdd

[frosty mango]

Imo most of the wowhead guides are usually pretty solid

[round cliff]

99 unread pings wtf

[frosty mango]

Mwahi is the dude at work when he shares his screen and has 2000 unread emails

I wish I could be that stress free

[frigid valley]

this is unread in my email

[round cliff]

your soul is burdened by sloth

[rocky nexus]

any1 got interesting build on ptr rn?

[round cliff]

floor tank build because we took magic damage

[rocky nexus]

[violet ginkgo]

[grizzled mountain]

Sorry for delayed reply. So the part that confused me was you recommended using spell block for the odd rounds, which I thought were just a series of autos. Do her autos count as magic dmg or am I misunderstanding?

[errant wagon]

They do count as magic dmg, it's wild!

[mighty valley]

they are by far the most dangerous thing she does haha

if she's not casting, you're in danger

[rocky nexus]

can someone give me some interesting talent code to test out :)

on ptr ofc

[eternal trellis]

About to ask for the same thing! PTR raid testing tonight 🙂

[grizzled mountain]

Ah that makes more sense. I need to really study up on what spell block works for and what it doesn’t

[mighty valley]

you're in luck! you won't need to study that next patch

[grizzled mountain]

So far not using spell block and reflect is my biggest weakness

[frosty mango]

Well good news

[grizzled mountain]

Yeah I heard lol

[frosty mango]

You’re about to be 50% less weak

[rocky nexus]

hopefully someone gives something good:D

[grizzled mountain]

The spell reflect/block sheet in the pins is kept accurate and up to date?

[violet ginkgo]

Yes, always.

[violet ginkgo]

good news or bad news hahaha. Oh yeah Roid the Colossus tier set which cause the shield slam critical hit, boost rend and deep wound damage for 8 secs. That is stackable or refresh duration? because we get 2 guarantee crit right?

[frosty mango]

It’s a refresh on shield slam

I didn’t really try to optimize it on ptr I just sent shield slam

We have enough crit that it’s up fairly often, the only thing I see it doing is raising the value of crit as a secondary slightly

And even more so in high target scenarios, but that’s already true so

[violet ginkgo]

ah so if the first hit counting down from 8-7-6 then get 2nd hit the duration back to 8 instead of 14 secs?

[frosty mango]

I believe that was the behavior I can double check later

Can actually check now I’m just sitting here

[slender bison]

The 4p grants a deep wounds buff, so I assume you wanna clap/revenge to reapply boosted deep wounds after shield slam?

[frosty mango]

yeah its a refresh

[slender bison]

Or are the current DW ticks boosted implicitly?

[frosty mango]

it doesnt appear to pandemic or anything like that

snapshotting hasn't been a thing for a very long time and the buff is applied to you so I would be very surprised if you had to reapply

[slender bison]

If your hps grows after SS, then, yeah it auto boosts current DW ticks

[frosty mango]

its dynamic

I wouldn't expect it not to be

but I just checked and avg tick went up after getting buff witohut reapplying

I wish the debuff did extend because we generally want to send slam asap and its not intuitive to hold it

which may be the case on large pulls

that would be very janky gameplay

[grizzled mountain]

I had heard mention somewhere of a weak aura that showed in game what is able to be spell reflected or blocked, does something like that still exist?

Also if anyone has a good plater profile that clearly shows who casts are targeting and which mob is your current target I’d really appreciate it. I have a rogue specific rogue for my assa that I love. I tried quazi’s for my prot warrior and I found it hard to clearly see those 2 things.

[frosty mango]

the WA is in the pings

pins

next to sense's spell reflect sheet

[grizzled mountain]

Damn my bad

Thank you

[frosty mango]

https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa jundies plater profile is solid for war but you may want to make some tweaks

[candid rose]

Hi to you all... I have a dilemma that i was hoping that you could help me with... I have 3 Puzzling Cartel Chip left . I am standing between house of cards or eye of kezan. Atm. i use 684 ilvl. Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker and 671 ilvl. Chromebustible Bomb Suit. Any thoughts?

[patent osprey]

What will we do when Sense one day stops playing T_T Whos gonna do the spell reflect guide!

[frosty mango]

I made some changes to aggro colors and stuff

[frosty mango]

we dont think about things like that

[mellow bridge]

you have to take over pika

[grizzled mountain]

Thank you!

[mellow bridge]

i would say nome but that guy is too busy with warframe smh

[frosty mango]

the wowhead guide in the pins has a section dedicated to this and a tool to help you choose

[urban bane]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-sunset-lionking-simba-mufasa-gif-10381526802838575407

[violet ginkgo]

Alrighty thx for the confirm roid.

[slim oracle]

this is my cook for prot war with new talents in M+

takes all the bleed+revenge boosting damage talents

[frigid valley]

any raid tester prot pov later?

[frosty mango]

I would personally drop bsv for hunker down

[slim oracle]

that might have been a mistake

[undone beacon]

Drop thunderlord for hunker

[slim oracle]

but yeah if hunker down is the 10% increase on spell reflect talent then yeah i'd go with that

na

thunderlord is a must have

makes it so demolish and demo shout line up

i cant get back onto PTr cuz i keep dc'ing which is very cringe

[unkempt pasture]

Server is down i think

[slim oracle]

but yeah thunderlord makes it so demo shout and demolish are always synced up

yeah i think dropping cheat for hunker is prob the move

[frosty mango]

You may also consider dropping enduring alacrity for bloodsurge

I’m not sure which would be better offensively but bloodsurge is a decent amount of rage gen

[slim oracle]

yeah let me see if i can see the PPM for bloodsurge

cuz i did want to keep it

[cyan bronze]

No rage talents

Also i think passive ravager is significantly better

[chilly brook]

it is until it gets nerfed

5ppm is insane

[cyan bronze]

That goes for anything but yah

ATM passive ravager is shrimply too good imo

[chilly brook]

for sure

[cyan bronze]

Also taking TL for 2 pts is a choice

[warm plinth]

Yeah.

[dusky canopy]

Yeah.

[spark veldt]

why no execute

thats mine

[cyan bronze]

[frigid valley]

not taking + armor is something else

[cyan bronze]

awfully nice execute damage you have there

[tight hinge]

waste of pts for execute focus as col

at least with this tier

[cyan bronze]

be a shame if you had no rage to spend it with

[mellow bridge]

+armor is like 1-2% phys dr and a super small amount of str

[cyan bronze]

ya is a low impact choice path

4% mdr vs 1.5% ish pdr+400 ish str

[frigid valley]

id take the str any day of the week

[cyan bronze]

sure

it just doesn’t matter

[frosty mango]

No shield charge plus itf and execute

Good luck fiend

[tight hinge]

gold's build up there is what I've been using on ptr basically. you have a flex point between bsv, bloodsurge or hunker down

[strong forum]

wdym it was only spellblock that was problematic with knowledge requirements!

[mellow bridge]

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/i-will-take-it-prodo-lord-of-the-rings-gif-12143131

[mellow bridge]

wdym having a random reflectable physical hit is totally consistent nome

clearly the solution isnt to streamline both sr and spellblock

[warm plinth]

It's funny because we've had exceptions in the past before spell block existed that makes it even less intuitive

Like the eels on mistress sazznine or w/e who were blockable despite doing shadow damage

Honestly this all could've been avoided if they'd just kept AM for bosses

But nooope

[kind urchin]

Yup, literally the only spell in the game that requires knowledge.

[sharp gale]

100% true

Spell reflect, block, parry, dmg type DR/absorbs, no knowledge here

[undone beacon]

tanking is just dps but you die less

no knowledge needed

[sharp gale]

Tanks doesn’t need a specific addon to do dungeons, an addon to do routes smh

No rabbit hole of knowledge here

[undone beacon]

whats a route

[sharp gale]

W

[undone beacon]

Routes? Forces? Percent? You must've hit your head pretty hard there bud. Now come spam sunder armor, we've got a Molten Core to do

[ionic nimbus]

New Dungeon does not need any Route

Just play everything

Pog solution

[frosty mango]

It required knowledge that was gathered from the knowledge gathered by someone else

Blockception

Very meta

[vocal cave]

someone streaming testing prot pov?

[dense remnant]

big stream

[undone beacon]

this guy ptrs

[tribal wharf]

thats the steam stores rn

[novel steeple]

i'm keeping this forever

[dense remnant]

i just wanted to log in to check the new trinkets

[dense remnant]

and you get to choose when there are big amount of mobs, and time that around your own cds

[elfin kiln]

any cooks for raid build?

for ptr

[chilly brook]

never understood why they removed AM checks to begin with

[frosty mango]

The nether prism cooks

Best I’ve tested so far

Did they break the ptr again

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-heroic-plexus-sentinel/2123308/26

[warm plinth]

Me neither. Made surviving very simple on bosses and there was only ever one AM check on trash that I can think of.

[mighty valley]

AM checks would be kind of non-gameplay for us at this point, no

[warm plinth]

Eh, yeah I suppose. Though there were specs even then who always had AM up, like bear or ppal or brew

[mighty valley]

maybe that's part of why they removed them

"gameplay for some specs, not for others"

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't be surprised if they were removed specifically because of blood DK

Since their AM was very unintuitive

[gilded bear]

anyone testing on ptr can tell me what will be the best race for s3 dungeons? NE or Dwarf?

[slender bison]

You have meld pot in S3 so play what you like

[gilded bear]

this meld pot shares CD with other potions?

[warm plinth]

I would guess yes

[shut summit]

it does

[gilded bear]

so it's still NE or Dwarf lol

[shut summit]

basically

(if you care about min/maxing racials)

[warm plinth]

I care about you Sense

[gilded bear]

I cant remember if in Tazavesh there is many dwarfable things, TWW dungeons are whatever except for this new one I know nothign about and HoA was fine not being dwarf

so probs NE still better

[warm plinth]

HoA and uh

Priory

For dwarf. Might be more but those are the two that come to mind

[slender bison]

Nah, priory is nerfed, even the bleeds

[warm plinth]

So just (maybe) HoA?

[gilded bear]

HoA as far as I remember dwarf racial was great with the bleeds in first half, but they are easily kiteable as warrior

[warm plinth]

For the gargoyle beardogs

Or w/e they are lul

Tbf hoa is hard for us because of the magic damage anyway. I dont feel like the bleeds were ever that bad in comparison

[gilded bear]

exactly

[slender bison]

New dung is shadow Arcane, so I would worry about MDR not dwarf

[warm plinth]

That being said, nelf isnt always needed for skips either

[slender bison]

Prot warr seem to struggle in 15 key new Dung, hp yoyo

[warm plinth]

Depends on shit like the meta, dungeon layout, etc

[gilded bear]

well, at least NE looks way better than Dwarfs haha

[slender bison]

Debatable

[warm plinth]

Maybe so. Dwarf is still more damage if nothing else though

[gilded bear]

then i would go tauren and get a small cc kek

[warm plinth]

But then you're less cool and feel 10x slower

[gilded bear]

no way man tauren is so good for tanking since they are huge

[warm plinth]

The blasphemy 😦

Dwarf blasphemy

[tribal wharf]

high mountain

bull rush

[warm plinth]

Better mobility but worse cc

[slender bison]

Nightborne is the only horde race that looks good in plate. No clipping, no hunchback, no bones. Maybe orc females close tie

Belfs silhouette is cringe

And let's face it - you wouldn't make a belf male

[warm plinth]

Undead dont have to have bones visible

[frosty mango]

Orc can also be upright

Orc looks legit in plate

[warm plinth]

I pick races for very specific reasons though so :shrug:

For example my rogue is blood elf because their idle animation in stealth is really cool

Female blood elf rather

And my hunter is female goblin because they have the best feign death animation BY FAR

[slender bison]

Belf females idle hip pose is annoying

Don't know how to call it

[mellow bridge]

is it worth keeping up SB for dmg when im not tanking? it was in the past but dunno about now

[slender bison]

They look good as casters ofc

[warm plinth]

Yes

It's still 30% SS damage

[slender bison]

And battle stance if you wanna min max

Say rookery boss

Kul Tiran female battle/demo shout is based

[warm plinth]

Kul tiran also has the coolest heritage armor

[slender bison]

Would make one if they weren't allience

[undone beacon]

Highmountain Tauren goated

If I wasn’t so dedicated to the goblin grind I’d be a HMT

[chilly brook]

the gameplay was basically the same for every tank

you still wanted good uptime on your AM outside of AM checks

for blood it kinda just passively happened

[undone beacon]

Kultiran is lowkey the best alliance race. Big beefy boys, great heritage armor, best Druid forms

Too bad they’re stinky alliance

[undone beacon]

Based

[warm plinth]

And they don't feel like molasses either

[warm plinth]

Blood required the most attention to be paid because it wasn't intuitive at all and only lasted 3 seconds.

[slender bison]

July is mount/xmog buff month for legacy content. Incoming BlackRock Bullwark drop chance of 0.02%

[warm plinth]

Yeah I might actually farm some of the old stuff during it

[chilly brook]

Easy fix tbh

swap it to bone shield

[warm plinth]

Go from "hardest" to easiest lol

[slender bison]

2 Bullwarks at AH for like 500k gold

[chilly brook]

or just be normal and say "eh it's a different tank spec you're just going to have to live with the quirk"

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk. I never saw a problem (though it definitely needed a mention in their tooltips)

And i would've made it something a bit cooler sounding than "Recently Used Death Strike" lol

[hidden kindle]

Does anyone have the weakaura that shows when rixxa fluxflame will do her 'magic auto attack'? Seen yoda has it but cant find

[heavy hazel]

dont we just push it at cd when in melee on that fight?

[hidden kindle]

She has sort of a cycle of abilties and helps to know exactly how many hits are coming when

[warm plinth]

She doesnt have to be in melee to hit you with it. It's a 40 yard range.

[hushed swift]

Pretty sure if she is casting, maybe 1 tank hit for the sequence. Not casting, rotate through defensives till she starts casting again since she is going to melt your face off

[dense cradle]

Isnt it more passive for deathbringer than sanlayn

because your boneshield generator is part of the rotation with hero tree

[chilly brook]

I have senses dungeon WA that has an auto attack bar for her

[hidden kindle]

Where did you get that? 🙂

[chilly brook]

From sense I can get you a link in a moment

[hidden kindle]

Thanks!

[hidden kindle]

I found it 🙂

[slim oracle]

na i dont think so

kira was going over logs and he was lowest hp recipient of heals

meanwhile tanks like brew are basically highest recipient

kira is doing 17 ritght now and it seems fine, he's also pumping with the build i linked above

[worthy lichen]

on pull for single target with no might stacks, should i pop everything and demolish, or hold the demolish for stacks?

[slim oracle]

im still getting healed by second wind even though i dont haved it talented

in PTR

[zinc juniper]

yes, the 15 kira did as prot war he did the whole dungeon without proc BSV once the whole dungeon, seems fine

[slim oracle]

other dungeons war is gonna struggle probablyh like dawnbreaker

but overall its pretty tanky

[frosty mango]

I did a 14 and it did not feel too bad outside of those dumb arcane guys but imo dawnbreaker and priory are going to be rough

Priory especially

The last miniboss and last boss will be brutal

[zinc juniper]

oh yes, we will need mobs fuel to heal the last mini boss

[worthy lichen]

Theres the hero talent that gives it. But Ive also had 2nd wind be active without either the class talent or the hero talent.

[slim oracle]

yeah i wasnt running that

was using the ignore pain one

[warm plinth]

You're an ignore pain one

Gottem

[slim oracle]

thank you

[kind urchin]

We're pretty tanky. Even after the reductions they did give use more dr from defensive stance theough talents and buffed FbV and BrV by quite a lot. I'm gonna hold any judgements until after the other dungeon testing.

[chilly brook]

https://wago.io/zEubN7D7X

[ionic nimbus]

Wait for halls of atonement.. ask @patent osprey how nice a Army of bolts can be….

[blazing ridge]

Wait for 3 sunders plssss

[blazing ridge]

my dps always know where I stand as Col Tauren when using Avatar, I feel like a Raidboss lmao

[ionic nimbus]

Tank Automark ftw

[mild river]

Did anyone try the new execute build on PTR and have numbers?

[jade pulsar]

yoda have a vid of it

[ionic fern]

It's nice. I likey.

[mild river]

He did an echodome 15 with that build. It did overall 4.5M but he didn't show the damage for each skill

Which looked like a bait video. Because I was hoping for that at the end lol

[sharp merlin]

4.5M?

holllyyyyy

[ionic nimbus]

That dungeon is a lot of big trashpulls and you got fullgear

[elfin ginkgo]

it sounds pretty normal yeah, if you do 3m overall in current gear 4.5 seems fair for next season

[ionic nimbus]

Tierset is much better for us aswell

[slender bison]

They changed last boss? She's more of a pain for healers and dps

Braunpyke in current form will probably be mandatory to be pulled with patrol and BL just to have enough DW HPS to keep you alive lmao

Or healer has to sweat big 1 min

[frosty wave]

What in our kit takes the most aggro ?

Thunderous roar ?

[slender bison]

Shield Slam, Shield Charge, Revenge/Clap. Mostly in that order. TRoar is for gathering

Sure, can put demolish too there. Damage = Threat via a multiplyer. Taunt also multiplies threat generation during its window

Heroic Throw is a special case since it has implicit threat multiplier

But can't maintain threat on its own

[sharp merlin]

you guys are hitting 3m?

I can barely get over 2.5m if I'm lucky lol

[cerulean tusk]

Overall in keys? Sure, from time to time

Trick is to drag mobs under the boss to keep up DPS efficiency. If the group can handle it, it is the way to get good DPS. Especially useful if you got funnel classes.

[frosty mango]

No but those smites and pulses add up at high levels

[cerulean tusk]

Smite is good reflect dam tho

[hardy snow]

patrol will die when boss will be 50% at best, so you will still have to deal with bleeds without buffed DW heal

[elfin ginkgo]

How much damage does thunderous roar do

[remote dawn]

any play speer?

[frosty mango]

Depends on number of targets. I wouldn’t say “a lot” but it’s certainly not “a little”

[frosty mango]

Outside of niche scenarios no, most people do not. Roar has immense value on gathering and also doesn’t require any positioning

[frosty mango]

I am generally over 3m in most keys except for top which sucks and is hard to break 3m on

[frosty mango]

Keep in mind that’s 35 ilvls higher than now and with new trinkets and tier

Because we are burst damage your details dps is highly dependent on your dps killing things quickly and also not chaining

Details looks at dps per combat so chaining combat over long periods (even though it may be the most efficient play) will drastically reduce your overall

[elfin ginkgo]

i usually wait till everything is together before i roar, but i also have a lot of issues grouping packs and keeping aggro while grouping packs

[frosty mango]

Roar is a great gathering tool, you can send it early to help group

[elfin ginkgo]

but if there i sa l2p where i can keep top dps while also group well i prefer that

[frosty mango]

Grouping is really mobility and directionality. How you reach packs and orient yourself while moving to not get hit in the back

[elfin ginkgo]

yeah i just need mroe practice i guess

[frosty mango]

If you watch povs you’ll see most players like sense and yoda are constantly turning their camera, it’s because you’re constantly strafing to keep yourself facing mobs

[elfin ginkgo]

often have aggro issues at the start

[frosty mango]

The first pull of floodgate is a good practice pull

That and the first workshop pull are generally the worst

[elfin ginkgo]

for me the 2nd rookery and the first motherlode pull are the hardest i thinki

[frosty mango]

Is second rookery the one immediately after you go across, pulling the pat on the right side and the pack?

[frosty mango]

Need more context not sure where that is in the room, it’s a circle lol

[frosty mango]

Oh ok that one is pretty simple. Charge the pack under the 2 and revenge it, then charge the pat and start dragging it to the casters in the corner. Once they start casting hit disrupting, you’ll almost always catch all four casts

They’re close enough in proximity that you can roar

Threat on the 3 casters is irrelevant at the start because they don’t really melee

As long as you get to them after the kick with roar you’ll be fine

Disrupt has a 14 yard range so it can go pretty wide

[elfin ginkgo]

thsoe are good tupst thanks

[frosty mango]

Alternatively bring a marks hunter

Then gather is a nonissue

[sharp merlin]

Should I not cast demolish unless you have shout + avatar on?

Revenge and demolish are almost equal every time

[frosty mango]

Demolish will almost always line up with avatar but it does desync

I usually will hold if I know I’ll have avatar in less than 10 seconds

Otherwise I will send

Or I’ll shield wall to get avatar and send

But if your revenge is equal I’d probably say you are not pressing enough revenge

[sharp merlin]

Revenge should be higher?

I think it is actually since I was more conservative with IP, revenge is much higher

Turned into a 2 button spec 😂

[frosty mango]

If your goal is damage, usually yes

That’s my breakdown on a random floodgate I grabbed, it was a 13 and I did like 3.1 or 3.2m details dps

[sharp merlin]

Damn, nice!!

[frosty mango]

I also sent 14 claps with no outburst there because I’m pretty sure it was like 4am and I was half asleep so shield slam should be higher but generally revenge will be higher

As you go up key level it will be lower because you will need to press IP more, especially if you’re progging a key level

Parses are for farm, I’d rather do a little less damage and be safe to clear the new key level than be a greedy clown getting blasted and carried by my healer

But I will definitely be the greedy clown getting carried by my healer on a farm key

[cerulean tusk]

For a sec I read that as farm keys and you talking about 14s as your push level

[frosty mango]

No lol we’re on 16/17

I’ve stopped push though for the season

I hit 3k on 5 chars and pushed war early im a little cooked lol

[cerulean tusk]

Reached the 17 resi grind myself. Tho, my mates only had time for 2 days of play this season so far :Sadge:

[frosty mango]

Next season I’m aiming for all 10s day 1/2 and resi keys by the end of week 1, mid week 2

Which given gear inflation and the fact people know most of the dungeons I think is a pretty achievable goal

[sharp merlin]

Yeah I’m about 2 keystones away from packing it in

[cerulean tusk]

Where ya at Pompom

So far 17s feels very doable, think my wall wouldnt be before around 19-20s. Problem is all time

[sharp merlin]

I have 15 cinder to complete to get all 15s done

Every fucking time

[frosty mango]

I may actually raid main warrior next season

[sharp merlin]

Someone else ruins it

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, where does cinder go wrong?

[frosty mango]

Would be nice for once to raid on my m+ char lol

[sharp merlin]

Most of the time it’s the brew exploding

[cerulean tusk]

Oh my

[frosty mango]

IPA kill time is a key crusher

[sharp merlin]

Dps have one job

Or people just dying to puddles

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, my best advice is then to make sure there is only two barrels each pull. So you got time to solo kill em

[frosty mango]

As the tank you can handle all of the explosive barrels

[sharp merlin]

I can, I don’t die

[cerulean tusk]

Can we do 4 barrels solo?

[sharp merlin]

The Dps die

[frosty mango]

If you know your dps are idiots you can hold demolish for them

[cerulean tusk]

My DPS always snap kill em

[sharp merlin]

Oh.. I’m talking about the barrel which explodes

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, so are we

[frosty mango]

On trash yeah?

[sharp merlin]

Ah thought you were talking last boss

Hahaha yeah trash

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, nobody cares about the last boss

its free

[sharp merlin]

I got blamed for running after the big lad

[frosty mango]

Yeah - I los that trash into hallway

[sharp merlin]

Cause someone pointed it down the hall

[frosty mango]

And then they funnel to door

[sharp merlin]

And had to get the droplets

And me running over was the reason the brew exploded

[frosty mango]

And all the barrels will spawn on top of each other and you can just demolish/shield slam them

[cerulean tusk]

Dont worry about droplets

[frosty mango]

Oh just let the drops come to you

[cerulean tusk]

they will come back in

[sharp merlin]

But the person standing next to them down the hall was gonna die

[frosty mango]

Well they’ll go to your healer who should come to you

[cerulean tusk]

Then they are stupid

[frosty mango]

Not your problem

[sharp merlin]

You asked why my 15s fail

Hahahaha

That’s why

Cause stupid

[cerulean tusk]

Everyone at the 15 level should know how to play the most basic of gameplay

so dont play around their stupidity

you keep to the core things

[frosty mango]

Healer will almost always be the aggro target

[sharp merlin]

It’s always resi too, so people just don’t care anymore

[frosty mango]

Healer should always be near you

Unless you have a boomy in which case it will be them

But also they should stand near you

[cerulean tusk]

Chicken can move about tho, so dont worry about it

if you are a bit worried as they come in, you can always intervene the target

[sharp merlin]

It’s fine, I’m gonna do it with a team in comms

Just to get it over and done with

[cerulean tusk]

Fair, but you in general just need to not play around others stupidity

[sharp merlin]

It’s one of the few dungeons where no one can be lazy

[cerulean tusk]

DPS go ham on pull as you gather? Let em die, as you continue to gather

DPS kiteing mobs, instead of coming to you? Let em be a kite

Healer dies to mobs bonking him as you gather? same as the first
Healer dies as mobs come running in, and he doesnt move to the other side of you? Let him tank em

At a certain key level, it is not your job to babysit, you already got your hands full

[frosty mango]

I don’t really move, ever

Tanks who move around a lot are infuriating to melee dps

[cerulean tusk]

Hear hear

[frosty mango]

I will heroic throw and taunt to save you but if you don’t run to me and that’s not enough A) you are probably hitting the wrong target b) you have legs

[sharp merlin]

Agreed, I think people in the game are just lazy anyway

[frosty mango]

But anyone who has every played melee dps with a tank that never stands still knows how awful it is

[cerulean tusk]

Aight, so next time you come with a story of how the ranged died to blobs. Not you wiping to cascets exploding

🫡

[dusky canopy]

Did a bandit pug last night and both tanks kept the boss dead nuts in the position he runs too when spawning adds

Zero cleave potential

[frosty mango]

Ok this is different lol

[dusky canopy]

👍

[cerulean tusk]

Two very different situations right there

[frosty mango]

In raid I’ll usually move/position the boss for uptime

Like on mug I try to get him next to a wall thing so melee can keep uptime if they get frost boots

[cerulean tusk]

Well, you should give uptime in M+ aswell, it is just that moveing a lot causes things to split, creating so many issues to hit em.

[frosty mango]

Yeah but in m+ everything comes to you

Usually you don’t need to move

[cerulean tusk]

Everything? Hmmm

[dusky canopy]

I haven’t read all the conversation, with that in mind I personally think it’s a tank’s responsibility to insure their team has the maximum potential for damage output

I cannot stand it when a tank is lazy about offering me cleave potential

[cerulean tusk]

We are basically pushing for minmaxing your potential in M+

[viral jackal]

pixel stacking is big damage increase, but it's not really all that important unless you're doing crazy high keys and stuff like that.

[cerulean tusk]

dont worry

[frosty mango]

That’s about the gist of the convo - keep things grouped, keep them still, don’t go running 300 yards to chase a blob when the healer can just run it to you

[cerulean tusk]

Pixelstacking is useful to make sure they dont get a surround on you, either way

just what we do

[viral jackal]

well, yeah lol. If you're playing prot and the mobs aren't in front of you, that's a big problem

[frosty mango]

You don’t need to pixel stack mobs but if you are constantly dragging mobs you are pulling them out of melee auto range

And that is a big issue for melee

[viral jackal]

yeah gotta stay mindful of comp of your group too

[cerulean tusk]

If you pixelstack em, then it is so much more dam for Fury Warrior especially. As you more regularly get the full sweep, instead of 3/4ths thanks to range

[dusky canopy]

No tank wants to get hit in the back btw

[viral jackal]

I mean no class at all wants to

its like saying you like having your health bar full

[cerulean tusk]

I dont remember, do VDH still have omni directional dodge?

[frosty mango]

No

[cerulean tusk]

good

[frosty mango]

Vdh suffers the worst from it lol

Bear loses dodge but is fairly resilient bc armor

Other tanks are not as resilient

[dusky canopy]

VDHs suffering

👍

[cerulean tusk]

BDK without parry

Monks can always stagger tho

so winners?

[frosty mango]

Brews seem like they aren’t with stagger but if you get blasted in the back you’ll have uber high stagger

You will eventually be overcome bc of brew cooldowns

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, but we talking about who can handle it the best

[frosty mango]

Bear hands down

[dusky canopy]

Bear seems to be the best meat shield for that afaik

[cerulean tusk]

What about Prot Pally, they win, ya know why?

Divine Shield goes burrrrr

[frosty mango]

You have a million armor with ironfur and 85% phys dr so you can hit frenzied regen and 600 mobs can hit you in the back and you won’t care

Bear is indestructible in most scenarios

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[cerulean tusk]

*during CDs

[frosty mango]

Nah unless you’re getting blasted with magic you’re basically bear is dumb

[cerulean tusk]

If we talking most scenarios tho

I say warrior wins out over bear

[frosty mango]

Phys white damage does zero damage to you

No shot

[cerulean tusk]

hell shot

[frosty mango]

I could comfortably tank a 14 on my bear at 650 lol

My warrior would get destroyed

[cerulean tusk]

We got ppl tanking 17s with 650 gear, wdum

[frosty mango]

Yeah but they’re good players

I’m a terrible bear

[cerulean tusk]

We talking class, playskill is a given

[frosty mango]

I think bear is the most durable tank hands down

It just does terrible damage relative

[elfin ginkgo]

not 3m overall? 😦

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, guess we could just check DTPS logs

[frosty mango]

I avg around 2m overall at 660, another 20 ilvls I see that around 2.4-2.5 maybe

[cerulean tusk]

Bear pumps on big pulls thanks to iron thorns tho, I seen em do over 3m

[frosty mango]

Burst potential far lower than war

[cerulean tusk]

Well, demolish should hopefully beat most on burst

[frosty mango]

But also gameplay very simplified

[cerulean tusk]

... well, Roid

we forgot BDK

burst

One bloodboy

That is a lot of potential, even nerfed

[frosty mango]

Yeah but so rng

[undone beacon]

Yeah bears do a lot less burst but honestly they can crank over time. Thrash and Moonfire add up, especially with next tier tuning rn

[cerulean tusk]

We talking potential tho

[frosty mango]

Fair

[cerulean tusk]

We are fair arbiters of who sucks or not in here

[frosty mango]

Bear feels very consistent

[cerulean tusk]

Bear is a comfortpick tank

[frosty mango]

I still like my war, aoe silence is goated and it hurts me

Incap roar just not the same

[undone beacon]

Bear is very consistent, which is why I like it. Lets me vibe out and focus on other things

[undone beacon]

Real

[frosty mango]

Though I had to unbind anything that shifts me as bear except for dash

I kept accidentally hitting dash in packs and dying

[ionic nimbus]

And with s3 most likely it will be even more consistent…

[undone beacon]

There’s a very real potential catweave M+ build being brewed right now which would add a bit of complexity, very neat

[frosty mango]

Ooh I dunno man

[undone beacon]

I literally only have dash bound in cat form to prevent this lol

[frosty mango]

You crest that 4 second window in cat you’re gonna get splatted

[cerulean tusk]

As long they dont cook another Owlking kite bear

I am happy

[frosty mango]

But I would absolutely love dotc ripweave m+

[undone beacon]

Yeah but the odds of getting another ravage proc in that window is very high, as you can get up to three autos a global in cat with buffs rolling

Lightning fast slaps

[frosty mango]

I tried dotc in top

Doing some like rake and rip multidotting

I wanted to die

[undone beacon]

Oh god yeah DotC M+ doesn’t multi dot with cat dots

It’s not recommended to even take wildpower surge unless you need boss dam

[frosty mango]

I still prefer war in m+ even tho bear is simple

Demolish big booms very satisfying

I’ve played all the tanks and most are ok except for brew I really don’t like brew gameplay

[undone beacon]

You gotta admit though, Moonfire and thrash make gathering super easy. Plus the ability to turn your back and not instantly implode

[frosty mango]

Well yeah

If they just made revenge 360

[undone beacon]

Super chill big vibes bear go rawr

[pallid quiver]

"369"

he wants the high skillcap

[undone beacon]

Let us strap a shield to our ass and block from behind ez

[pallid quiver]

angle the right way to get double revenge hit

[frosty mango]

lol

[frosty mango]

“Shieldstorm - raise your shield and spin relentlessly, casting revenge and shield slam on every other hit, and enabling you to block from all directions for 20s”

[undone beacon]

Inching close to Ascension’s Bulwark, I vibe I vibe

[frosty mango]

Give us double shield

Big shield little shield

[cerulean tusk]

"Hold the line": (stance) You take 20% less damage, 90% additional reduction from area of effects. Become immovable, you now block from any direction, in addition your revenge now hits all surrounding enemies. Any enemy that comes within 30 yards of you will be taunted (ICD 5 sec).

[undone beacon]

What if they just gave us Bombsuit as a talent, ez

Replace last stand

I’m basically a class designer now

[cerulean tusk]

I like last stand tho

[undone beacon]

More than Bombsuit? 🤔

[cerulean tusk]

Sure

[undone beacon]

GASP

[cyan bronze]

Wtf why

[frosty mango]

“It’s iconic”

Iconic garbage

[frosty wave]

Wdym Troar is for gathering ?

[frosty mango]

You press it during gather and leap off to another pack

Keeps threat on stuff while you gather

[frosty wave]

Yes I get that but how is it made for gathering ?

Ah ok

it doesn't makes gathering faster or simpler

[frosty mango]

It makes gather infinitely simpler

Dunno bout faster

[cerulean tusk]

I for one think doing a heroic throw on every mob is the way to gether

[frosty mango]

Honest to god if they just made revenge 369

It would be so much better

[jagged pier]

so u want swipe?

[frosty mango]

Yes

[jagged pier]

if u want swipe

[frosty mango]

Except we’d press it

[jagged pier]

play a druid

[frosty mango]

Nah

Druid doesn’t press swipe

[undone beacon]

The bear discord has been fighting for the past few days about optimal swipe usage.
Simply, it doesn’t matter in the end really if you use swipe or moonfire as filler smh

Difference is marginal

[frosty mango]

It’s not like we could abuse it, if we get hit in the back we get pasted so really it would just make gather simpler while strafing

[frosty mango]

I dunno what the argument is, swipe doesn’t cdr lunar beam, lunar beam is a big part of your survivability

I don’t see how pressing swipe over moonfire is a question unless there’s like 30 mobs on you

[dusky canopy]

Swipe because a bear shouldn’t be casting moon spells

[frosty mango]

But that’s why this is the warrior discord we press all our buttons

Even slam and whirlwind

[dusky canopy]

Bear should be destroying their enemies with immense power

[frosty mango]

Immense lunar power

[dusky canopy]

Not putting a little moon dot on them

Smh

[frosty mango]

One could almost say moonfire eclipses all other damage

[dusky canopy]

Mangling your target should remove a limb

[frosty mango]

No that’s maim

[dusky canopy]

But nah here we’ll tickle you with this moon shit instead

[cerulean tusk]

You mean

I swear

you guys dont play warrior

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-annoyed-irritated-tantrum-gif-13045775

[ionic fern]

This tbh.

[jagged pier]

i log in once a wek for 3 hours

[cerulean tusk]

it shows

[ionic fern]

For so much?

Wtf.

[undone beacon]

The power of the moon compels you

[frosty mango]

Based gather strategy

[undone beacon]

Something about swipe doing more damage in 3-5 targets, and lunar beam cdr being ineffective at if you aren’t going to get a worthwhile beam out with the cdr before the next pack

Honestly, it’s very in the weeds for minimal gains

[frosty mango]

That seems like so much thinking

[undone beacon]

And is more on-paper significant than gameplay significant

In practice it makes zero difference lmao

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[undone beacon]

But the bears are bored

[chilly brook]

Meanwhile I’m rolling the bones

[dusky canopy]

Outlaw moment

[undone beacon]

u can roll my bones bb

[frosty mango]

Would you guys troll me if I started using whirlwind to gather

[undone beacon]

No I think that’s based and whirlwind-pilled

Roidberg - Whirlwind Enjoyer

[chilly brook]

Next reason I’m playing outlaw and brew

[frosty mango]

Gonna send it

Today

Straight whirlwind

[dusky canopy]

They buffed it

That means it’s good

[dusky canopy]

Let’s goooo

[undone beacon]

At that point you play thane too right? Since half your colossus talents are dead with whirlwind lmao

[chilly brook]

Hopefully brew gets a few more changes but they definitely making good steps forward

[ionic fern]

TWO characters? Woah, stop showing off your free time.

[dusky canopy]

So real

[frosty mango]

Brew I just can’t do man

[chilly brook]

I raid 3 days a week

[frosty mango]

Like I can play it fine

[jagged pier]

ppl can do 2 chars ????

jesus

[frosty mango]

But it just feels wierd

[ionic fern]

2 chars AND raid?

[jagged pier]

shkip

[chilly brook]

One 2 day a week guild, one one day a week guild

[dusky canopy]

Play them games all day while you still can

Life hits like a truck

Out of nowhere

[frosty mango]

7 chars, 7 guilds, 7 days

Call me Jackpot boys

[chilly brook]

The only reason I’m doing the 2 days a week guild is because irl friend started playing

So

Wanted to raid with him

[jagged pier]

u could have raider with me

we are 2 days

[undone beacon]

Raid from 8-11pm, then from 11-2am, then take a nap to be up in time for your 5am-8am raid

[chilly brook]

Wrong region though

[jagged pier]

so join the right region

[frosty mango]

Oce?

[chilly brook]

I am in the right region

Your region doesn’t use seasoning on their food

[dusky canopy]

We about to have a golden dome

[frosty mango]

When I look at the map Australia is on the right

[dusky canopy]

Ah yes the earth has a “right”

[cerulean tusk]

Australia is bottom right corner, deal with it

[dusky canopy]

That explains how it’s flat

Right there

Hollyy

[small steeple]

Makes as much sense as asthma and uranus

https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/2592_the-distance-between-uranus-and-earth_correlates-with_asthma-prevalence-in-american-children

[frosty mango]

Just look at any map bro

They’re all flat?

If the earth was round how is the map flat?

[jagged pier]

what about a globe tho

[dusky canopy]

They just stretched a flat map over a round object to make it easier to view

Duhhh

[jagged pier]