protection

[tribal wharf]

if you dont get it we cant be friends

[warm plinth]

I already took the pants

PANT

[tribal wharf]

sheesh i didnt say anything about picking up no can, relax, swear i saw a ping

[heavy sparrow]

I kinda miss stein ngl

[warm plinth]

just did some timewalking with a 664 2.3k warrior using whirlwind and slam 😦

[mighty valley]

maybe they timewalked their abilities to 2005

[vast epoch]

[mighty valley]

uhhhhh specifically timewalked to tbc era arms warrior

... with a shield

[rancid sedge]

what u guys think about buying Jastor Diamond heroic , im using hc house of cards + mythic pacemaker

[mellow swift]

YO PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME. AFTER TODAYS MAINTINANCE, I CAN NO LONGER USE MY BEST-IN-SLOTS ITEM ABILITY!!! ITS GREYED OUT. I RELOADED MY ADDONS, UNEQUIP, LOGGED OUT, EVEN REPAIR MY GAME FILES. BUT NOTHING WILL FIX THIS, ITS STILL GREYED OUT. ITS LIKE ITS BUGGED SOMEHOW. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME

[warm plinth]

Errr, this is the prot channel

[placid oar]

😭

[drowsy shale]

The caps lock tho

[jolly swift]

Got the mythic bomba in the vault, now I can buy gally shield

[jagged gust]

So did you ever figure it out?

I think main hand is like slot 15?

[warm plinth]

All I can think is he changed specs and he had it still equipped as prot

[jagged gust]

nah ive been tracking it lol

he sent SS in fury, in arms spec

with it greyed out

I'd try macroing it

[frigid valley]

hmmmmm high haste low crit roulette, or rik shield with avoida, if i take roulette ring i can buy gally shield

[frosty mango]

Maybe his ability got stuck at the same time as his caps lock key

[frosty wave]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy-gif-24157752

[warm plinth]

Aren't those the changes from like...3 days ago or something

Unless they nerfed charged bolt by ANOTHER 62% in addition to the 62% they already nerfed it XD

[frosty wave]

Only saw it today the patch was today

So kdk

Is spark burst still the best for us ?

[sharp merlin]

Have they fixed nitro boots?

[frigid valley]

fix how? in order to open the belt you need to click it, in order to use nitro u need to click it

dont think u gonna see anything happen to it

[blazing ridge]

How do you guys sim? 5 Targets 5 Mins no Raidbuffs?

[slender bison]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/eco-dome-aldani-could-be-difficult-for-pugs-in-war-within-season-3-dungeon-377445

Looks like last boss has high risk of bricking the key like last boss Arakara in S1

And tons of Shadow/Arcane magic damage all over the dungeon

No tank busters though

[sharp merlin]

Why not have use on click but Shift right click on open

[frigid valley]

thats gem

[sharp merlin]

exactly, it's a common UX Behaviour, why not use the same?

[frigid valley]

beacuse it has a gem?

[sharp merlin]

nevermind..

[urban sequoia]

So, Im a bit confused as to what to focus on as a tank. As I understand it, versatility is good for the pretty sizable flat DR, shield block uptime is most important so its Haste > Everything else?

[pallid quiver]

Vers is very costly for not very sizable flat DR

You get half the value defensively as you do offensively, and it takes more rating to raise vers in comparison to the other stats

Really, what to focus on for Prot War stat wise is just ilvl and having stats at all

[jagged gust]

And a can-do attitude

[ionic nimbus]

Ilvl>Haste>crit/vers>mastery

[pallid quiver]

They all perform close enough that you'll be fine just getting gear; once you're comparing thing between same ilvl, or jewelry, try and prio haste

Since it enables you to pick more damage talents overall

[ionic nimbus]

For this Tier you should value crit over Vers until 25% crit unbuffed

Crit is better for dmg, but vers got more reliable defense value

[pallid quiver]

Of note that Colo really benefits off crit (colo might, CDR for Demo), so it has a bit of a floor in terms of crit before it really does take off

[jagged pier]

over a key not really

[pallid quiver]

Crit is literally just as reliable as the chance

25% be 25%

[blazing ridge]

Guys which would you take? Sim is pretty close like 0,05% difference with the Vers/Mastery boots winning :<

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah but crit has almost 0 value to magic profil, that’s what I meant

[jagged gust]

thats in an overall sense of things, pull to pull you may have variances

[jagged pier]

no it has value

it stops physical damage eating your IP

[jagged gust]

which is where the reliability comes in

[jagged pier]

so it does more on magical damage and bleeds etc

[pallid quiver]

Damage profiles matter for everything; vers doesn't really do a whole bunch to really save you, and won't ever drastically affect a pull. Same as crit over time, but crit can cause a parry to save you

Parry may do nothing for entirely unparriable damage, but damage is rarely ever in a complete vacuum like that

If you want to argue that vers is a more reliable stat or something, you have to acknowledge that you're not taking into consideration the type of damage coming in on you at all

It's always reducing every instance of damage, but everything else is just as reliable and always depends on the damage profile of dungeons, fights, and everything else coming in

[jagged gust]

It sounds more like an argument over the accepted definition of what reliable is

[pallid quiver]

No, it's an argument that 25% chance is a 25% chance over the course of all damage instances

It may not work on unparriable damage, but it makes your other defensive kit have more leverage for unparriable damage by reducing parriable damage

Nothing defensively works in a vacuum and is why people are often confused as to why they're dead

[jagged gust]

so yeah, definitely multiple ways of interpreting reliability

[ionic nimbus]

To evaluate this, you have to talk about different scenarios like big and small pulls, include blocked hits (not parties hits arent going full ham into life pool), the difference between unavoidable dmg and avoidable dmg. It’s to big to write everything down from work. Vers is pretty good, I like crit more from the dmg part. All in all crit supports the defensive part we already good in and vers goes into a niche we are weak (but the value is less due to damage reduction/more heal against full mitigation)

In a couple of weeks we have to take gear with both stats. With pacemaker we already easily hitting the -part for crit)

[blazing ridge]

F this convo didnt help me decide which boots to take

first world problems lmao

[urban sequoia]

Actually, relevant question, is vers damage reduction additive or multiplicative?
and is there actually a chart or anything of what sources of damage reduction are additive vs multiplicative?

[jagged gust]

life would be so simple if everything was additive

[urban sequoia]

I imagine most things are mulitiplicative, but I wonder if any are additive with eachother.

[lofty glen]

on ptr warry looks giga with selfheal

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

id put money on it getting nerfed

[sweet summit]

i'll believe it when it survives week 3

[urban sequoia]

What's the haste we want before we can swap out heavy repurcussions? 17k or 18k?

[jagged pier]

whatever your comfortable with really but in that range is fine

[urban sequoia]

Is that + shield charge enough for ~100% uptime on shield block?

[jagged pier]

effective uptime yes if played correctly

[urban sequoia]

what do you mean by "effective uptime"?

[frigid valley]

time u need it

aka time ur tanking

[patent osprey]

Prot Warrior - CBM +21 Done

[urban sequoia]

NOOOO you fooooool

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-99-rosa-doug-gif-20457265

[sweet summit]

impossible.. C tier tank could never... must be photo shop..

[urban sequoia]

now they'll nerf prot warrior u.u

it is very funny to look at rankings for tanks tho

[jagged pier]

news flash we nerfed next patch anyway atm

[urban sequoia]

and the top 50 is just 46 VDHs, 2 brewmasters, a guardian druid, and a prot warrior

[jagged pier]

thats how it goes at the top .001%

[violet ginkgo]

[sick grotto]

How do you run prot warrior in psf in that level of keys

The first boss would melt you

[patent osprey]

You melt but never die 🙂

[ionic nimbus]

Chad

[sick grotto]

[ionic nimbus]

Pls deplete more keys… if Warri is not bottom we will get nerfed @patent osprey

[patent osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-wanna-cartman-south-park-no-no-way-gif-21544754

[ionic nimbus]

Sacrifice for the team!

[urban sequoia]

oh lol you were the person I was ogling on murlok io to see how tf people are building warriors

[jagged pier]

we being nerfed anyway

[urban sequoia]

BUT MAYBE.

IF WE'RE ENOUGH OF BIG BABIES... THEY WON'T NERF US.

[ionic nimbus]

There is always opportunity to get more nerfs

[ionic nimbus]

Ask fury warriors if complaining helps..

[jagged pier]

the new tree is a nerf and thats coming if u like it or not

[urban sequoia]

I could see them reverting the "lol you have less armor and stamina now"

[ionic nimbus]

Definitely, but number tuning is still open…

[urban sequoia]

changes that they included for some reason.

[jagged pier]

[elfin ginkgo]

is tome bis in M+?

and if not, why not?

[jagged pier]

depends on the lvl of key

u get to a point were u kind of want bombsuit and mud

[timid nacelle]

For my dinars this week, should I go for myth track mud, or hero track bomb suit. I already have hero track mud, and myth track time and pacemaker

Pushing 19s

[blazing ridge]

Someone wrote earlier that Myth track Mud is not worth it

it changes basically nothing really

So you should probably opt for the raid trinket if you are not raiding

[jagged pier]

bombsuit is better in more instances even on hc than mud

but mud covers our 2 weakest points well, (bosses)

[blazing ridge]

Its only Priory/Flood where Mud is better due to dot dmg reducing it CD

[elfin ginkgo]

Sorry let me rephrase the question:

Is tome better than pacemaker in M+, and if not why not?

[timid nacelle]

Alright so bomb suit it is, never going to get on myth track, and hero track mud is still good enough to run for priory and FG

Thanks bros

[sinful copper]

If you're asking that question, it means u do m+ keys at a level where u will only use pacemaker and tome

[novel echo]

Hi guys quick question, will I be missing out on any content if I don’t actually get the war within expansion before I’m the level required? About to do my 2-yearly “make a fresh female Draenei prot warrior from scratch”

[elfin ginkgo]

well currently i am using pacemaker and bomb suit, but im wondering why not tome and bomb suit

[elfin ginkgo]

No

[sinful copper]

If you're not doing 16+ keys, u don't need a defensive trinket. Just run tome and pacemaker for DPS

[blazing ridge]

more dps = best defensive as mobs and bosses die faster 4Head

[waxen cradle]

You know to put things in perspective even though Blizzard is shitting on Prot Warriors again... I can go over and see what the Unholy Dk's are dealing with right now and be like.... well at least it's not just us getting shafted.

[sinful copper]

But I play prot warrior and unholy dk...

[elfin ginkgo]

Lmao

[waxen cradle]

@sinful copper

[sinful copper]

[elfin ginkgo]

Given that i do run 16 keys, do i use tome and bombsuit or pacemaker and bomb suit?

And why? 😄

[sinful copper]

Iunno I have most of my 16s done and I only used mud on priory and rest were done with tome and pacemaker. You would run bomb and pacemaker if u need a defensive trinket

I think I'm missing one 16 but I'm just lazy and its not a hard one

[elfin ginkgo]

My dide

Dude*

Which is better, tome or pacemaker

And the answer to that specific question is not: just run both

[sinful copper]

Just read what I wrote maybe?

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah 16s are more like “are people playing mechanics right”, but Bombsuit/Mud is kind of a fail safe for the tank if u r pugging and can not relate on useful externals etc..

But I would play pacemaker always, and then u have to switch between tome and defensive (what u prefer)

[sharp merlin]

But what if I mess up?

I actually find in my 15 journeys I’m not needing it

[sinful copper]

Just don't mess up yolo

[ionic nimbus]

Another offensive option would be HoC except the tome

Big master buff for AoE packs

[frigid valley]

pacemaker + hoc forguild runs,
bombsuit and hoc for pugs

[sharp merlin]

Will I need the Bombsuit for 16s?

like as in, can I still run Tome / Pace on 16s?

[ionic nimbus]

Priory and FG can be hard (totally depends on your heal)

[sharp merlin]

I mean those, I would run a Mud

[ionic nimbus]

It’s definitely doable

[frigid valley]

ppl doing 20s with double offensive trinkets so its all matter of how safe u feel

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah you dont need Bombsuit for 16s

[sharp merlin]

sweet

I'll stop using it

and just git gud

I find I'm actually tougher with tome, is it cause of the stat increase and also crit?

Also the first pull on workshop

Is it me, or does the arena gate.. slow me?

I can't Heroic leap over it

[sinful copper]

It's got bumpers on it and shit. U save heroic leap anyway until you're in arena so u can pull full room

[fair beacon]

Heyo, question: after the nerfs this reset, which belt disc is best atm? 🙂

[lilac widget]

@nocturne spindle yeah i see now. Goddamn, thats what happens when you play a class blind, no guides and just try to learn the dungeons as i go

Gonna get practicing that today

[sharp merlin]

But I feel so slow going down the hallway ahaha

[frosty wave]

Tome pacemaker is the best combo you can have for general use.
I play bombsuit/pacemake because I'm a bitch

[frosty wave]

Their healer actually know what they're doing

[frosty wave]

Double use trinket

[frigid valley]

Tome doesnt share trinket cd

[woven scroll]

sim it. but i guess the haste buff is the way to go..

[frosty wave]

Really ? Even you force active ?

[frigid valley]

yes

#protection message

and yes, other way around too

[frosty wave]

Sheesh
Next week I'll buy tome mythic and try it with bombsuit

[inland garnet]

Hey, did anyone test the Energy Shield proc from the titan belt? Curious how bad it is

[jagged pier]

it cant be good, because if it was everyone would use it

they cant ever have interesting defensive stuff like that cause dps and healers / pvpers will use it to do things blizz dont want them to do

so they are never tuned to be any good

[frigid valley]

wraps next season for tanks

[sharp merlin]

pvp is a thing? 😛

[lofty warren]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/spell-block-being-removed-for-protection-warrior-is-a-huge-issue-377374

Sadge

[jagged pier]

u linked this yesterday

whats your point

[lofty warren]

Think there is any hope to change blizz mind?

Trying to find a way to help not have the bad thing happen

[jagged pier]

not here u need to go the forums and post feedback

[lofty warren]

Does anyone look at that?

[jagged pier]

blizzard

they dont look anywhere but their own forums

[lofty warren]

Ohh I thought they gathered from various sources

[drowsy shale]

pretty sure they do

would they listen who knows

[lofty warren]

But even though spell block is dead, the replacement is a lower more steady magic dr (ignoring the rng proc one) right?

[cunning reef]

35% MDR on a 19s cd is pretty good no?

[lofty warren]

Yea that's real giod

[full plover]

I'd rather have a short CD short duration button to press over spell block

30s duration just was weird considering every other CD is a few seconds

Obv something like group spell reflect or better intervene to compensate would be dope

[lofty warren]

They should just add talent that enhances spell reflect to inckude spell block mdr and problem solves

[cunning reef]

Didn't we have group spell reflect at one point in time?

Or was it a pvp thing

[full plover]

Iirc it was a shadow lands legendary

[mellow bridge]

checking some random sense m+ logs

someone is still using the smolderon macro

👀

[jagged pier]

thats not the smolderon macro hes had that since CN

[mellow bridge]

also important pirate casts

[frigid valley]

One cannot post if silenced 😉

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

Harley commented against a forum MVP I see

[round cliff]

what is SQUEAK

[jagged pier]

toy

[round cliff]

which

[elfin ginkgo]

why is yoda trying to get prot war nerfed

[jagged pier]

because he doesnt like it

kinda shows how knowledgeable he is of the class

when we are getting nerfed defensively and offensively just from the tree change

[toxic pewter]

wat u mean wat is he doin

[solid sun]

In ptr yesterday both Dorki and Yoda tried warrior out and both found it favorable. I haven’t watched any videos that may have been posted since so idk if there’s any additional context

[elfin ginkgo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aEcDU6_O1E&t=130s

[solid sun]

During streams it was healing for obscene numbers and doing a ton of damage

[torn gulch]

yes we re most likely gonna see more nerfs

prot warrior was actually really strong

[zinc juniper]

the healing fells REALLY nice

[jagged pier]

ppl need to stop getting draw in by what happens in the meters man

its like the shockwave build all over again

[frosty mango]

Of course it’s healing for obscene numbers on trash

How was the healing on bosses

[jagged pier]

nah bro they look at over all

[torn gulch]

i feel like healing from bleeds doesn't meet what a warrior is as a tank

but it's just me

[solid sun]

Unless somehow the meters were not accurately recording what prot warrior was doing, it was in fact healing for a lot and doing a ridiculous amount of damage

[woven scroll]

i wish warrior would be bad on release.. chances are good they will get an overshotted buff. otherwise they will nerf it if there are several vids out there "prot is imba".. 🤷‍♂️

[solid sun]

It definitely struggled on bosses, but just drag trash onto bosses and call it a day

[jagged pier]

just because it looks good on the meters does not mean its actually good

shockwave looked good on the meters because it showed up

but it did less damage than the normal DF build at the time

[frosty mango]

This is really my main issue with these people is they make these clickbait bullshit videos that influence community

[jagged pier]

but u couldnt easily see the bleed damage

[frosty mango]

Tettles does the same thing

[solid sun]

Did the meters show that the non-shockwave build did bigger numbers

And the only issue was shockwave was a visible component but the sum total was still lower?

[jagged pier]

yes but ppl refused to play it because the top ppl used the shockwave build because shockwave does loads of damage

[frosty mango]

Anyone with a brain already knew fueled by violence was going to do obscene amounts of healing at scale because we tested it last week

[solid sun]

No

Everyone that paid attention here knew that

[jagged pier]

i mean i knew it before even going on the ptr kinda obvious from the notes

[frosty mango]

Definitely the sentiment not here as well just based on the tier set

[jagged pier]

[solid sun]

Not everyone lives and breathes prot warrior.

You’re overestimating what people know

[jagged pier]

correct, like the top key pushers they play all the classes so they cant have deep knowledge of all of them

so why follow their opinions (not saying u do, but most) when in reality they only know 1 oe maybe 2 of the tanks in depths

because they dont really like the others and would rather not play them

[solid sun]

Damage and healing meters on stream while watching the pulls paints a vivid picture even if you don’t necessarily like it or fully agree with it

If those people watching Yoda also watched Dorki, they’d know as soon as he got to the first boss he pumped the brakes on the hype train because he was getting absolutely rocked

[jagged pier]

meters show a lot of ppl with 90+ uptime on block when they really block like 80% of hits

[frosty mango]

I don’t think you need deep knowledge to have drawn the conclusion that a set bonus that makes deep wounds do double damage in conjunction with fueled by violence would lead to that scaling insanely well - I saw that commentary in both of my guilds from just regular players who don’t really theorycraft or anything like that. But I agree with you that most people don’t really read into it at that level

Which is why I think community streamers who make bombastic claims without real data to back it up are dangerous

Well, not dangerous but perhaps “misinforming at scale”

Haven’t watched his prot war video yet so I’ll hold my judgement until I do, but I can already tell from the title lol

[frigid valley]

naaaa, havent posted on officals in a decade, eu is ignored, but said person a bit above wouldnt suprise me however xD

[frosty mango]

Actual big brain warrior strats mvp

Literally fueled by violence

[solid sun]

lol

Truthfully I have no idea how viable that Strat would be

When Dorki went full panic mode because the first boss took off 80% of his life immediately I instantly thought it’d be nice to have two or three packs of trash there

[frosty mango]

I watched the video, I’m not sure I’d draw the conclusion that it’s broken

[frosty mango]

I mean it’s viable now for cleave

So why not?

[toxic pewter]

just need to put this on paper and make it known: demon hunters are indeed getting 3rd void spec. it is HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!

MIDNIGHT

[solid sun]

It’s dropping at midnight?

like at a GameStop?

:)

[toxic pewter]

lol

just glad I got that out so I can tell people told u so in a couple months

phew

[deep heron]

I am completely new to Prot and am gearing up for S3 (where I plan to play Prot and Arms, instead of just Arms like I have the last two seasons [which are my first]). With that disclaimer out of the way, I feel like I must be missing something with the Spell Block removal. I imagine through Hunker Down, the buffs to Defensive Stance, and Ignore Pain we won't be taking that much magic damage anyway, but everyone seems really upset. I assume its my DPS warrior brain missing something, but I genuinely can't figure it out.

Is there a use case for Spell Block that Spell Reflect's DR doesn't cover that I'm missing? Or perhaps the better phrased question is what is Spell Block providing Prot Warriors right now that won't be covered by the 11.2 PTR talents?

[cerulean tusk]

SR and SB doesnt cower the same problems. SR is a soft DR, but mainly a tool to reflect/deflect a single instance of damage. Spell Block is a CD that helps cower our downtime of wall, not to mention counter mechanics that usually would leave us floored, over a long period of time.

Spell Block is kinda a 30 sec magic invurnability that is up 1/3rd of the time. That is what we lose. The 30 sec to be ready when it is down again.

So we dont "gain" something, we simply lose something.

[heavy sparrow]

Yeah like prot wars being d tier beginning of TWW 1

[frosty mango]

Gotta stand in line again big rip

[cerulean tusk]

What I enjoy, is when I go "No, prot DPS is broken" and ppl hammer me with "No, Yoda said warrior super weak!"

I chuckle

So if I say "Prot warr is weaker now", I am sure Yoda crew will say we are broken now

[heavy sparrow]

I just hope shield block would count for both physical and magic blockings, would make excellent sense

[jagged pier]

they arent going to give 100% magic block

[cerulean tusk]

Yes, but it will make us a bit too strong against all things. Magic dam and DoTs are our weakness

[jagged pier]

thats one reason why paladin was strong season 1

[heavy sparrow]

Looks like we're the new brew masters boys

[frosty mango]

Warrior will be fine

IMO

[cerulean tusk]

Doubt that, Warrior is the 'core fantasy tank' tank

[jagged pier]

everything is fine

[frosty mango]

We can doom when we get close to release, until then give feedback

[heavy sparrow]

We'll still play the dang class and they know it

[cerulean tusk]

I dunno, I soon reached my breaking point for Fury

Blizz is kinda good at chisseling down to the bone, till you break

[heavy sparrow]

[frosty mango]

I will say I do see the irony in everyone saying “best warrior patch in recent memory”

Blizz - reworks spec

[solid sun]

I think MoP reworked Warrior also

So that warrior is better. I saw a wowhead post about it but didn’t read it

Maybe it’s been decided warrior can’t be goated in classic and retail

[jagged pier]

i dont think so, there was one named liked that for guardian

and they just meant the changes from cata to mop

cause lot of things got reworked

so from that i would have thought its just the reowrk from cata to mop

[solid sun]

Gotcha

[heavy sparrow]

I remember the rework from cata skill trees to mop skill trees. It actually had some nice fluidity to it (and made it clear for a wider audience; potentially pandas and children)

[jade hazel]

Learning prot atm too, you absolutely need spell block still in m+ so just go into it trying to learn that in your tool kit and then when it’s gone idk we relearn but atm we still need it

[jagged pier]

we have all this healing thats for sure for sure gunna make to live

[solid sun]

The healing doesn’t fit the warrior vibe imo. Unless they’ve decided on a shift in how pwar works it seems like an oopsie more than an intended feature

So here’s to hoping we also receive buffs to mitigation as needed

[jagged pier]

brah they dont know how they want warrior to work

thats why we got this shit ass new tree

[tight hinge]

yeah my concern is where does war stand without this ramped up self heal from tier + fbv. cause i doubt this goes live and then where are we lol

[jagged pier]

well we are the only pure mitigation tank

we shouldnt need to work around healing ourselves

but we lost a very good mitigation

[tight hinge]

yeah that's what i'm saying, we might be on a crutch and an easy one to kick out from under us

[vocal cave]

mmm last dinar dillema

[round cliff]

doom taught me that warriors are allowed to healtank

[warm plinth]

Shield because the name is cool ofc

[cerulean tusk]

Flamevents

[vocal cave]

flamevents it is

[cerulean tusk]

[jagged pier]

i mean realistically

if your in a guild thats killing gally theres only like 2 specs that want the shield

so easy to get

[cerulean tusk]

Shield drops, doesnt give it to warrior tank

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

[jagged pier]

well technically

it can go to an ele shaman

first

[cerulean tusk]

Its the last boss, fuck em

the tank deserves it

for the pain

[jagged pier]

then everything else is like same level

i mean i got our first one

[cerulean tusk]

If not, you wouldnt be part of them anymore, you would quit WoW for sure for sure

[jagged pier]

i mean blizz kinda keep making me want to do it

not my team

[cerulean tusk]

Its a multipronged attack at your will

blizz is simply leading the charge

[jagged pier]

we could progress faster / i could find somewhere that does (As i have before) but vibes good and i dont need to spend my weekends grinding m+ etc so im chill

plus 2 raid nights is peak

[lofty glen]

what else should i buy if i have everyting i need as m+ player? have 3 dinar left

[round cliff]

what if my guild is both stuck at 36% sprock wipes AND wants me to do 8 keys weekly

[jagged pier]

leave

[round cliff]

i can't...

[jagged pier]

u can

[lofty glen]

your big love?

[round cliff]

im socially autistic and don't like meeting new people :3

[cerulean tusk]

2 day prog, 1 day farm

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[jagged pier]

yes

[round cliff]

plus like

who TF wants a 4/8m prot warr rn

exactly nobody

[jagged pier]

only gunna get over it by doing it, and u not really meeting anyone online its not the same

[cerulean tusk]

I would take you in, Fruit

[lofty glen]

you have 4 more than me 😄

[jagged pier]

u would be suprised

[round cliff]

no u wouldn't ..

[jagged pier]

it is hard for tanks for sure

[round cliff]

even if i was dpsing

[jagged pier]

but if u arent happy u have to look

[round cliff]

i just want more serious prog

cuz like half my guild is actually good chill gamers and the other half is coughing baby

[jagged pier]

so u got to move

[round cliff]

id feel bad!

[cerulean tusk]

Word of mouth will carry you far alone

just ask your guildies if they know anyone

[round cliff]

word of mouth from who dawg

[cerulean tusk]

they usually do

[jagged pier]

dont feel bad, the guild isnt providing what u want so its your time to leave

[cerulean tusk]

Your friends, guildies and contacts

your network

[round cliff]

bro everyone i chat with in the guild is management lol that shit would spread like herpes

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, maybe I am just lucky. But I find myself always able to just be honest about my thoughts in guilds

[round cliff]

and besides

[jagged pier]

i wouldnt be in my guild if i couldnt be honest

[cerulean tusk]

Had raidleaders and officers help me move up and down, to fit my life needs. Not to mention friend of friends

[round cliff]

we got someone who stepped up for raid lead and things are infinitely fucking better this season than last season

last season we were aotc now we're 4/8 almost 5/8 so maybe i just gotta let change happen

[jagged pier]

yer but theres a massive difference between 5/8 and 6/8

the jump is massive

[round cliff]

also massive diff between aotc and 5/8 innit

[jagged pier]

this tier not so much

not this late in the patch

there is still a diff

[cerulean tusk]

The leap from half clear to full clear CE guilds is gigantic. Then you got early vs late CE, its gigantic. Then CE vs HoF, gigantic.

[jagged pier]

like saw a log of caludron from last week that wipe after 8:20 mins

[round cliff]

wuh

[cerulean tusk]

I dont have context for this tier, what is the usual kill time in a farm raid?

[jagged pier]

think we kill it around 3 mins

[round cliff]

we have some crayon eater dps and our cauldrons die at 2nd clash usually

idk what that is in minutes

[jagged pier]

like 8 mins was like first week time

[cerulean tusk]

Oh my

1button guilds pushing upwards tho, good for em

[jagged pier]

or our first kill time i should say

tbh

for that guild the One button might be a dps increase

[cerulean tusk]

Meh, I am sure they are still better than the guild I did 1.1k Tindral pulls with

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

Most fun part, officer, every time he died to the beam (usualy the 1st), he stated "First time I died to that" in one way, shape or form. Every time.

[jagged pier]

and i thought 467 was bad

[round cliff]

oh our kill this week was 6;26

we had a lot dead tho

from dumb shit

[cerulean tusk]

You be suprised how hard tindral was, when everyone wanted to pad

[jagged pier]

no tindral was a hard fight im not disputing that

[cerulean tusk]

How many pulls did it take, when I joined a different guild? 25. Everyone went "let funky handle the AoE, we nuke ST"

[round cliff]

ya our usual kill time is 5:30

[jagged pier]

but 1.1k pulls

[round cliff]

might be cooked..

[cerulean tusk]

1.1k is insane

It broke me

[warm plinth]

When is someone doing the challenge run? Full clear mythic, one button only.

You can press CDs but other than that, just 1 button

[jagged pier]

someone probably already has

mug'zee would be the only hard one i reckon

[cerulean tusk]

Max prob released one video for it already, no?

Or one of em guilds

as an event thing

Such a nobrainer move for PR and lots of clicks

I stand corrected, I can only see Tettles

[solid sun]

Honestly a video one buttoning m raid would probably farm so many clicks

[cerulean tusk]

RWF 1button next tier?!?! (title)

[solid sun]

Looooool

Actually laughed

That’s so real

[frosty mango]

“ONE BUTTON M+ ALL BOOMKIN RAID?!?!?!?”

[solid sun]

Especially if you got someone like imfiredup to meme promote it in the video. “This will lighten my cognitive load so much RWF will have never been so easy”

Need max on stream to call for someone to swap to the one button after they wipe the raid

[warm plinth]

Not sure ive ever seen imfiredup under cognitive load. Game is like putting together a 9 piece jigsaw puzzle for him

[round cliff]

that shit would be so funny

[round cliff]

that's this whole game idk why im stuck with smooth brain gamers

maybe ur all right and i do need to move

im legit a rwf level gamer

[solid sun]

Some of the clips of firedup plays are so insane

[round cliff]

potential unrealized

[solid sun]

He def plays on a different level than almost everyone else

[warm plinth]

[solid sun]

Who is their warlock guy

Thd?

Thc?

Something like that

He also just always looks bored while gaming. Never stressed or bothered

[round cliff]

ok maybe not rwf

but i think early-mid season CE

i could handle

im good about keeping my ilvl basically timegated and im good at mechanics

[warm plinth]

I'll timegate your ilvl

Gottem

[round cliff]

ill kiss you on the mouth

woah

jk

unless

[dusky canopy]

[grand oak]

Hi! So I didn't play prot war since end of S1 and I tried it again now. Is it normal to constantly feel rage starved or am I doing something fundamentally wrong? I mean I knew they changed some stuff but damn...

[solid sun]

Being rage starved is a sign of misplaying in some fashion

[nocturne spindle]

But yes compared to thane season 1

It will feel like that

Especially as Colossus

[solid sun]

If you constantly feel raged starved, you’re playing wrong

[grand oak]

Keeping IP and Shield Block active wasn't the problem but it felt like I barely had rage for revenge and at times even like I was waiting for shield slam/thunder clap to come off CD.

[solid sun]

Are you playing colossus

[grand oak]

Yes

[solid sun]

You’re likely spending too much on IP and not enough on revenge

[errant plinth]

how long does it normally take to copy account data over to PTR realm? first time doing it... don't know if it's bugged or just takes a while
it's been roughly 45 minutes so far lol

[elfin ginkgo]

unbind ignore pain, and se eif you are still rage-starved

[grand oak]

So using IP every time none of it will go to waste is no longer correct? Using revenge more will not give me more rage or did I miss something?

[solid sun]

You mostly use IP as a rage dump

Somewhere around like 65-70 rage, hit IP

Otherwise you’re hitting revenge

[grand oak]

That's wild

[solid sun]

Make sure to prioritize shield slam

When it resets you wanna hit it immediately

[grand oak]

Ok ok

Thanks

[frosty mango]

New dungeon feeling kinda scary sometimes as prot

Fbv def cranking on trash but there’s a lot of spell damage

[mighty valley]

Revenge can give shield slam resets so it’ll keep your engine going

[solid sun]

How are the bosses feeling

[frosty mango]

Those felt fine

The second boss was rough until I sorted out the ability flow

But I did it on 14 and none of the bosses felt scary

[solid sun]

Is the gear you’re using what you’d expect to have when doing 14s

Or worse

[frosty mango]

Better ish?

I didn’t use cloak but used all the 723 gear from vendor

I did not have a weapon

[cerulean tusk]

Oh, you PTR testing? Roid, roid, roid

though as nails

no ICD?

[frosty mango]

One thing I did notice is tough as nails seems to hit shield dura, my shield broke and the rest of my gear was 80%

Then I promptly died

[solid sun]

lol no shot

[frosty mango]

The ol Hunter rapid fire dura

[cerulean tusk]

Shield always break a lot sooner than the rest tho, on avg if my gear is 60% it is red

[frosty mango]

Sub 2% of my damage

[cerulean tusk]

But ICD removed?

[frosty mango]

Seems like it

[cerulean tusk]

I am happy :Gladge:

[frosty mango]

They may have tuned bleed damage im not sure

[cerulean tusk]

Mind pulling 5 world mobs real quick, have em staggered with menace, then get autoed and see if all 5 events (syncd) actiave it?

I dont ask for much, just annoying things

[frosty mango]

First big trash pull deep wounds was much less of my damage than when I tested last week but I’m not sure if that’s because of any other factors

[frosty mango]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3zAnNJ1c6vkVKWT4?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2&pull=1

here

lol

[cerulean tusk]

[frosty mango]

damage is overwhelmingly low though highly doubt I would run it

[errant plinth]

which do i choose

[frosty mango]

account data

can take a bit, took mine like 25 mins

[errant plinth]

i thought mine was bugged so i closed it... it was an hour at that point lol...

[frosty mango]

it was really hard to keep mobs behind me in eco dome

[cerulean tusk]

Depends, but it got the high threat mod, so it is worth a lot more than the damage portion alone. As it actually tags everything and equally. So less chance of a sudden loss to mass AoE problems.

Just a nice QoL

It will also be broken AF if we get hyperfixate mobs or hasted mobs

[frosty mango]

also phys damage taken from entire dungeon

looots of spell damage lol

[solid sun]

What do you mean

Hard to keep mobs behind you?

[frosty mango]

lots of teleporting and also the pathing felt wierd

[solid sun]

But don’t you want them in front of you lol

[frosty mango]

im sure it will be much easier as we get used to the pulls

er hard to keep mobs in front of me lol

[solid sun]

lol oh okay

[cerulean tusk]

You doing vods, roid? If so, throw it at me, so I can take a looksie as I am working atm

[frosty mango]

I dont usually no, I don't have anything like that lol

[cerulean tusk]

Fair, I got a guy I will poke later on then

[solid sun]

Is the magic damage rot damage or more bursts

[frosty mango]

mostly just test for myself and share stuff as I see

that arcane slash from the big guys near last boss is absolutely brutal

I pulled 3 of them, ran out of cooldowns and got smashed

[frigid valley]

every damn icon is blueish purpleish, kill me

[delicate sequoia]

hey guys, can you help with chosing a weekly vault reward ? I have a myth shield crit/haste/speed vs mythic tier set gloves. I am either replacing a 681 shield or 658 gloves, I should get the gloves right ?

[frosty mango]

I would personally take the shield and farm a set of heroic gloves to cata but were so close to the end of the tier im not sure it matters

[mighty valley]

yeah gloves would be a bigger immediate upgrade but that shield is kind of perfect

[delicate sequoia]

gloves are already hc but i haven't upgraded them yet (i'm slow)

[mighty valley]

whichever you prefer

[frigid valley]

gloves can easily be taken with some good rng in a pug, its second boss

or with some $$

[delicate sequoia]

ahah

ok thanks guys 🙂

[dark barn]

Yoda's hp never dropped below 80% in this 14, just too much HoT by bleeds https://youtu.be/7aEcDU6_O1E

[frosty mango]

Watching his pulls maybe I was a little overzealous

In my pulling

W/e we send lol

[elfin ginkgo]

But can it double jump

nu-uh

[frosty mango]

I went basically to first boss stairs

He pulled 3 or 4 it looks like?

[grizzled nova]

200% fbv healing with the tier set is encroaching on that "more targets = more survivability" territory.

[solid sun]

I’m not going to watch the video

Does he pull trash into the bosses or does he fight them single target

And does his hp still not dip below 80%

When on the bosses

[grizzled nova]

It's just fbv doing lots of hps in large pulls, tank busters are still tanks busters.

[dark barn]

He played normally (no crazy stuff)

[nocturne spindle]

i only did the PTR as dps

but there were also no crazy tank busters on the bosses

[grizzled nova]

Obviously the interaction doesn't much matter in st.

[nocturne spindle]

the hardest hitting busters was from the like

bug things post second boss

[grizzled nova]

But when you have 10 deep wounds out and you press demolish you're doing huge hps.

[solid sun]

That’s why I’m asking if he pulled trash into the bosses.

But maybe the bosses in the new dungeon are currently nothingburgers

[nocturne spindle]

yea

theyre nothing burgers

its all kind of everyone does mechanics type bosses

boss 3 its literally mechanic that all 5people have to do at once

boss 2 is a heal check

and boss 1 is mostly about puddle managmenet and clearing ads timely

[frosty mango]

He didn’t do anything bc wild

[undone beacon]

I'pa jr.?

[frosty mango]

That’s why I said I was maybe overzealous

[nocturne spindle]

reverse IPA

cant move boss

🙂

[frosty mango]

First boss is just stack and then run puddle out basically

I didn’t notice anything else

[grizzled nova]

I don't know what the ilvl/key level split is on ptr rn

whether a 14 is high for the ilvl, I mean

[nocturne spindle]

it scaled to 710 when i was doing it

so basically max heroic track?

i dont actually know but with myth capping at 723

710 sounds like hero

[frosty mango]

Second boss was basically kyveza

With a burn phase

Third boss seems like do the dodge dance for mechs

Healing intensive tho

[nocturne spindle]

yea boss 3 seems like itll suck for the slower classes

we just leap charge every cycle

and its free

[cerulean tusk]

At this point, it really shouldnt be. We are already overstated from the last tier, with the extra ilvls we really start to roll out of hand. A 14 now will be harder than a 14 then.

Just think of it as all secondaries scale up, they also multiply their value more. The more you got, the more each give.

If they dont do dung scaling adjustments, we gonna see new hights and by miles.

[grizzled nova]

Yeah as expected, keys don't stop scaling so I don't see it as a problem.

I just meant whether the key level was even capable of presenting a danger.

[cerulean tusk]

it might make content a bit too easy for the mid mark, 12s should feel to have some challenge for the playmass to overcome and reach

[grizzled nova]

Like it doesn't mean anything to survive a 14 on live, it isn't representative of how the class operates at the limit, I just don't know if 14 on ptr represents a danger for the ilvl ptr has.

If it doesn't, then the video doesn't mean anything.

[solid sun]

The video already doesn’t mean anything

[cerulean tusk]

Video doenst mean anything. You need more context either way.

[round cliff]

are we dooming or gooning rn?

[undone beacon]

I'm basing my entire view of 11.2 prot on that video

[round cliff]

doom or goon

[solid sun]

Neither. We’re rerolling bear

[round cliff]

not brm?

sadge

[undone beacon]

always goonin on that bear grind

though they did kick the 15-sec beam in the shins, the dream is dead

[round cliff]

im about to go live in https://discord.com/channels/114786249750872069/360573191552237578

[cerulean tusk]

[solid sun]

Brew

[nocturne spindle]

i mean

we could instantly tell weaker to magic busters

[nocturne spindle]

stronger on big packs because they gave us a bunch of aoe scaling healing

[tight hinge]

the warpstalker absolutely has a tank buster

[cerulean tusk]

[nocturne spindle]

its not new info

[round cliff]

he doesn't know

[nocturne spindle]

its just the ptr dungeon has no tank busters

[round cliff]

he will not make it to samsara

[arctic lagoon]

Pugging right now is god awful.

[undone beacon]

this guy tryna link us to his weird gooner channel fr

[cerulean tusk]

Ah, fruiter breaking the ToS?

[solid sun]

How come y’all don’t have access to peak of serenity

[undone beacon]

why would i wanna be with the stinky monks

[solid sun]

They’re great drinking buddies

[undone beacon]

dont give alcohol to bears

or drugs

[arctic lagoon]

I was just farming 8s and God we had people leave in both. The first the dps complained the healer sucked and left. The 2nd the healer complained because I, as the tank, was well over all the other dps. Lol

[round cliff]

cocaine bear

[undone beacon]

cocaine bear

[tight hinge]

tell that to

[frosty mango]

Yeah that one was eh but it didn’t hit enough to scare me

[cerulean tusk]

spell reflect

[frosty mango]

Had wall and reflect up for each

[undone beacon]

spell block ez

oh wait

[grizzled nova]

magic buster + phys dot lmao

[cerulean tusk]

Too soon

[tight hinge]

it's a chunky boy

[solid sun]

That’s because it’s a rift claw

Not just a regular claw

[tight hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[solid sun]

And certainly not a thrift claw

[undone beacon]

she claw on my rift til I buster her tank

[nocturne spindle]

was that on second boss

[tight hinge]

ya

[nocturne spindle]

didnt even notice it doing that much lmao

[tight hinge]

its only one i've encountered

you should watch dorki do a 12 lmao he procs bsv from full hp

[round cliff]

how often is this cast

do u have sw+sr up for each one

[nocturne spindle]

that boss has a really long intermission

[round cliff]

or are u fucked

[nocturne spindle]

so yea

[undone beacon]

3 second cd, every 3 seconds ez

[solid sun]

Lmfao

[tight hinge]

we can cover it but if you get caught with pants down its gonna get u

think i had sr up everytime for the flat dr

[solid sun]

Don’t pull your pants down

Problem solved

[torn gulch]

that is true

[frosty mango]

First boss dawnbreaker is what I’m concerned with

[cerulean tusk]

Just proc and ignore all of it

get gud

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure how we can do that at high levels with no spell block

[undone beacon]

4% of the time it works 100% of the time

[tight hinge]

yeah its mostly dawnbreaker and the warp stalker boss so far it seems

[round cliff]

warp stalker is fine didn't we just say we can cover it all

[grizzled nova]

Hold avatar with IO, obv.

Avatar defensive cd now.

[round cliff]

what's first boss dawnbreaker do

i forget

[grizzled nova]

Big burst on spinny laser bit

[cerulean tusk]

pewpew bolts, hit with staff

[round cliff]

we have mitigation for that every time don't we

[grizzled nova]

SR, sure.

But that hits like a dumptruck, and spellblock covered two.

You're spell reflect + something else on every single one, sometimes you can triple up.

[cerulean tusk]

You ignore it 4% of the time tho, so dont worry

[grizzled nova]

Still absolutely slaps cheeks

[cerulean tusk]

just see if you took the dam or not

and then pop wall

[frosty mango]

low effort memeposting

[nocturne spindle]

is there a point of haste where we switch back to impenetrable wall

[lime urchin]

Frens I am scared to ask this but I am suddenly unsure: spell block does nothing against bleedz, right?!

[karmic plinth]

yes

[round cliff]

why's he speaking like a wholesome 100 reddit user

[karmic plinth]

its his swag

[round cliff]

juju on that beat

[potent basin]

It does against magic DoTs

You have to like face the boss though it’s a bit weird

[lime urchin]

Yes, but not bleedz

[potent basin]

Not physical bleeds no

[karmic plinth]

only specific dots too

[nocturne spindle]

even now with impentrable wall shield wall comes up every 30 ish seconds

assume we get a shit ton more haste

possible play for consistent magic busters?

[potent basin]

A good example was Queen Ansurek’s liquify

It was spell blockable

[undone beacon]

It works fine on bleedz, but doesnt work on bleeds

simple

[lime urchin]

Hm better get rid of it then

[undone beacon]

yeah probably should delete it from the game methinks

[sharp gale]

4%

[nocturne spindle]

who wants to do 5 warrior tank ptr dungeon insane healing no healers

🙂

[dusky canopy]

Idk man 3 WW monks do a gorillion damage

[undone beacon]

5 morbillion damage

[nocturne spindle]

good thing theres no gorillas in the dungeon

[sharp gale]

I reclean gally rq with the guild im leaving, and i can do some ptr

I need to prep for raid ptr anyway

[undone beacon]

we're still hardstuck on lockenstock

Rip my CE this tier

[neon elk]

What exactly are they buffing on our selfheal? Bleeds into heal or what ?

[dusky canopy]

Still on lock at this stage? Sad news is CE is unlikely to happen in 5 weeks

Unless you gamble a guild hop and get in on a reclear or a guild currently progging mugz

[undone beacon]

Yeah I accepted this after our 200th wipe on lockenstock

I'd have to sneak into someones reclear at this point

And I don't know if I can be fucked to bother

[sharp gale]

It is mercato period, if you want to change guild, it is a good time

Even tho I know how it is to search a guild if you tank

[potent basin]

There’s still plenty of time left in the tier

You never know

[undone beacon]

I'll dps for raids at this point idrc y'know

[undone beacon]

We still havent killed Lockenstock. Think about how hellish Mug is gonna be

We're still 4/8 with every buff and nerf at our disposal

[sharp gale]

He has 4 bosses to prog bandit and mug included

[solid sun]

You might not get there

[undone beacon]

sigh

[sharp gale]

Unless you start to raid every day

[solid sun]

Bright side, you don’t have to pug it

Or prog it

[undone beacon]

Oh yeah we're also a 2 night a week 3 hour a night guild so

[potent basin]

My guild took more pulls killing sprocket than mug zee and oab combined

[sharp gale]

You can hop in a guild progging gally too

[potent basin]

And we just started gallywix

[undone beacon]

Y'all need a dps

LMAO

[sharp gale]

Yes, so if it’s more than 100 it is 2 weeks for 2 night guilds

[potent basin]

We maybe need dps I think we’re always recruiting lol

But we do not need any more warriors 💀

[potent basin]

How much time left in the tier?

7 weeks?

[undone beacon]

Nah I dps on hunter and prefer to tank on druid

hmu in dms bb

[naive panther]

how are you all handling Captain Dalcry in priory? just did an attempt at 16, puleld dogs in for funnel, was fine but died after they died, and bres got back going again and still died. Race is zandalari , just taking massive bleed damage. bitter immunity doesn't even remove bleeds

[potent basin]

I can send you the recruiting page but I’m not the one who does it sadly so

[sharp gale]

ppl switch rotation prio clap>revenge, to be able to IP, then good cd def rotation as usual

[frosty mango]

#protection message

[cerulean tusk]

Make sure you have the giga defencives for the double overlaps, and ask your healer to heal more often. Mud is great to get another defencive in for em overlaps

[naive panther]

thanks, read that overview and I guess I could be a bit off on overlaps getting sloppy because mass damage taken during the funnel, maybe I try again without funnel. get a mud trinket. take off ravager and put it into Indom, and then run fueled by violence?

[frosty mango]

I would not run fbv

Brv will help more on that boss specifically - indom wont make a difference. It’s really just managing your cooldowns properly

[naive panther]

I coudl drop rav for indom, or thunderlord for more demo shout?

[frosty mango]

Mud will help a good bit and it’s effective cd is like 55s there

[frosty mango]

Won’t make a diff and it will make gather in the rest of the dungeon poop

[naive panther]

yeah

[frosty mango]

You have three shield walls and trinket that is more than enough to handle him

[naive panther]

run was super clean up to that point in a pug, usually do group runs, and have pally sac, and support

[frosty mango]

If you’re dying to the pierce then it’s almost definitely a play issue, unless your healer is just ignoring you altogether

It’s a miserable mechanic to be sure but very manageable assuming proper play

The thing about timing is important. Almost all the damage is in the bleed so if you pop wall 3-4s early you’re going to miss a bunch of the bleed tick so pop it as close to it going off as possible

[solid sun]

Roid do you skip Bubbles

[frosty mango]

Sometimes

Depends on group

Usually no

[naive panther]

could use dinar on mud, but I must be hitting reflects wrong, and shield walling late, and did them early cause funnel is my guess. But later in the fight, I'd have wall up during the pierce, and pumping into ip but still just rotting

[solid sun]

What’s the determining factor

[frosty mango]

How nice do you want me to be when I answer

[solid sun]

We run havoc, survival, ret, rsham, me on pwar and we are currently progging 15

[frosty mango]

I’m orc so first is comp and if we even can skip it in a technical sense

Second is if I think the people are too dumb to do it right

[solid sun]

I think our skip strategy is getting water walking and using an invis pot to the ladder where the sleeping dude is

But we tried it last night and someone pulled Bubbles

[naive panther]

one guy in my group is begging me to play night elf on war, I just can't bring myself to do it, I swapped to nelf on my dh already

[frosty mango]

If you log one we can look

[solid sun]

So now they don’t wanna bother with it which I’m fine with but idk how tight the timer is “supposed to be at 15

[frosty mango]

See my point number two

IMO not worth until very high key levels, if you hit swampface with like 13m left you can w key the rest of the dungeon and I don’t think it’s worth

High risk skip and people scuff it up more often than not

I’m on 17 and I do not skip

[solid sun]

Do you skip the blood caster by the stockpile next to big momma

[frosty mango]

Unless everyone is 100% confident

[frosty mango]

Yes I leap up and do the box

Though if I have a monk healer I don’t

Since that’s not really hard for them to heal

[solid sun]

So the goal is to engage swamp face with 13 minutes left on the timer

[frosty mango]

That’s my general gauge yea but that’s just me

I’ve done it with as little as 9 left

But in my experience if you’re under 13 coming into bubbles it’s gonna be a brick without the skip

[solid sun]

So it isn’t 13 going into swamp

It’s 13 going into bubbles

[frosty mango]

Coming out of swamp into bubbles

[slender bison]

You do full pull until inspectors pack and cleave, no? Last time I did min 9 bubbles without skip in 16s

Or you got weird DPS

[frosty mango]

Yeah, and then next pull all the way to the inspector double caster pack

[frosty mango]

I think moreso it’s people panic and die being tunnelers

If no one dies I think it’s about 9m from bubbles to clear

[slender bison]

Nope. Just signal your intention to run LoS and kick electricians until x2 inspector area. Stack & smash

[solid sun]

Our ret paladin absolutely kills me

[frosty mango]

That’s what I do, people always die to aoe circles or frontal

[solid sun]

She is constantly full blasting while I gather

[frosty mango]

I’ve had good and bad runs

[solid sun]

It drives me up the wall and she laughs every time

[slender bison]

Wait. Dont pull the sleeping big guy. And yes, if they die to frontals, it's on them.

[frosty mango]

Just let her die repeatedly and ask if she likes bricking keys

[frosty mango]

Do not pull sleeping guy, the other guy all the way up before last pull they die to

I’m not sure what it is about that pull when timer is under 10 people just brain off

I’m prob 50/50 on it, sometimes it’s fine and people play fine

Sometimes people just stand in bad and die

Such is life

[solid sun]

I usually do Bubbles solo, the full platform after bubbles minus the sleeping guy. Then I grab I think four dudes to another big guy. Last pull is double big guys

[slender bison]

It's not brain off. Healer has 3 pulls back-to-back. They burn out sometimes. The sparkslam guys do tones of unavoidable damage.

[frosty mango]

IMO usually never a healer issue

[slender bison]

Ideally you want full platform (without sleepy guy) + patrol + soldiers + last x2 inspectors LoS + stack in corner and smash. Then skip 2nd to last big guy x2 electrician via Disc/DH/Monk. But state your intention, else people die from inspector beams or electricians.

[frosty mango]

It’s literally always people standing in the light circle or the purple frontal

I feel like I rarely get bad healers at 15+

Every so often but for the most part if people are dying it’s because they’re eating mechs or not using defensives

[frosty mango]

State your intention is great advice in general, I feel like a lot of people, tanks especially, don’t do this

[slender bison]

I always used DH in my keys (before unsub) for Darkness melee comp. So good

[solid sun]

How on earth do you pull all that and not just die to back hits or spell damage

[frosty mango]

Then they run off to Africa and are like “bruh y u no follow”

[solid sun]

That’s a crazy pull

[frosty mango]

Shield wall and leap

[slender bison]

Bubbles dead -> pummel/disrupt electrician right -> leap and pick bridge patrol -> go left (dont pull front electricians) -> run all the way. All mobs will stack to you due to LoS. Then big zugs and storm bolt inspectors until everyone's here

[frosty mango]

If you get low to casters you can also Los dance them in the doorway

[slender bison]

Smart DPS (after they understood you) will kick eletricians and come 100% hp to you

[frosty mango]

Though I find most people will kick and run like cluster said

[slender bison]

The idea is that this pull is kinda mandatory (same as DFC giga creepers in the cart area). Saves like 1-1.5m

[frosty mango]

I don’t think it’s mandatory at 15 but it def helps espec if you don’t skip

16-17, 17 really is where I felt the timer

[slender bison]

I'm talking resil 16, yes

[frosty mango]

16 was eh and most of my 17s have been bricked due to the aforementioned dps standing in bad

[slender bison]

But I started doing it in 13s for practice

pugs

Since I'm a nightborne and can't meld cheese bubbles - it's always bubbles and hyper optimize this pull. Unless I find a shaman who knows the waterwalk skip

[solid sun]

I just don’t think I’m good enough lmao

Y’all say some wild stuff that just never translates

Even just that first pull in that dungeon. It’s like five packs with lust almost kills me on the gather sometimes. Taking back hits or whatever

[slender bison]

How i practice: shield charge initial soldiers - leap to left packs and Troar - charge the other two and return to pick loader bots. Smart DPS won't touch mobs until they see green on their plater

[frosty mango]

Charge first pack before platform, revenge and clap

Then leap onto platform and heroic throw the mobs and charge BACK to start

Let it all funnel to you

Dps do usually pull there but they’re close enough that you can usually aoe taunt them

Roar is big stonks there, you can also throw ravager at the back pack

[slender bison]

I do clockwise. With Ravager in the middle once I get loader bots. The idea is to get bots last else they start spinning too early and dps didn't pressed buttons

[frosty mango]

At the end of the day dps also need to play intelligently on the gather, it’s not entirely on you and trying to cover their mistakes (like chasing a mob they pulled to some place that isn’t the tank)

[frosty mango]

I usually hit first pack, leap across platform and roar, charge back and ravager in middle as I’m charging back with the idea being to stay mostly out of range of mobs until they converge

Throw for stragglers and shockwave the bots on first spin up

If a dps goes ham while I gather I just let them get chased if taunt is on cd and if need be die

[slender bison]

Anyway, practice

[frosty mango]

99% of gather threat issues could be solved if dps just stood on or behind the tank lol

[slender bison]

Shockwave deferred until they're stacked

EU DPS are so more due diligence. Like haven't had issues with DPS since 14s. Sure, can't time due to DPS or random deaths, but pull/mechanics wise....wow

Just ping behind DFC candle and they know to los

No need to write a novel in a pug

[warm plinth]

You're a dfc candle

Gottem

[slender bison]

Touché

[dusky canopy]

You’re a touché

Gottem

[undone beacon]

You're gottem

touch

[slender bison]

No touchy, else you get the tough as nails 2025 edition

[frosty mango]

You no like touchy?

Touch as nails

[solid sun]

What’s the difference between the warbreaker discord and this one

[frosty mango]

🤌

I think nom also wrote the warbreaker guide

[undone beacon]

touch ass nails? no thanks

[solid sun]

I’m worried Nome is leaving us

[frosty mango]

What gave you that impression, other than when he said it

[solid sun]

Well all I saw was him saying he might not play this next season

[frosty mango]

Touch a snails

🐌 🐌

[solid sun]

I meant more long term

[dusky canopy]

I’d be pretty upset with wow too if I was still maining protection

They keep making the spec worse every season

[frosty mango]

At least we’re not dks

Or shadow priests

[solid sun]

This was a great season for us though

[dusky canopy]

Yeah but they slowed it down again

I liked it when apm was 110

Now it’s like 50 snooze fest

(I don’t actually know the apm avg now) lol

[undone beacon]

at least 7

[dusky canopy]

Banner protection was peak for me personally

[slender bison]

Is Legion this year?

Or only MoP?

Prob not, since they canibilize each other

[dusky canopy]

It’ll be strategically placed somewhere that will lock another month of subs

[torn gulch]

legion remix will most likely be december to march next year

at the tail end of 11.2 and it will prob finish when midnight launches somewhere in march next year

[slender bison]

Yeah, can't wait for that Midnight announcement with warrior BL 🪓

[torn gulch]

[round pendant]

Lol the gameplay is kinda bad

It's all in demolish it's kinda boring

And the next tier set is making that even more of a thing

But I mean yeah we were balanced well enough

[warm plinth]

What's bad about the gameplay?

And tier set doesnt change anything about the gameplay so

[mighty valley]

it was just... another season of prot warrior gameplay

plus demolish button

fine by me!

[karmic tartan]

when do people usually tankswap on mythic lockenstock btw? swapped in as tank and moving out the bomb I just get obliterated through shieldwall.

[frosty mango]

Are you facing the boss?

It’s blockable, you can spell block and face the boss

[karmic tartan]

you´ve just saved my evening (and the remains of my self-esteem) thank you! 😄

[frosty mango]

🫡

[undone lake]

Will this belt remain relevant next season?

[jagged gust]

same boat as circes

Like I think the belt maxes at 701? And myth next season someone in here said 723 I think, so eventually ilvl will probably win out

[undone lake]

yes, belt maxes at 701, about next season myth i dont know

but thank you

[graceful mason]

You typically take the buster with 0-1 stacks

Shield wall and reflect make you take minimal dam

[torn gulch]

723 is myth 6/6 on PTR right now

710 is hero 6/6

i've seen some datamining with the cloak at 727

[karmic tartan]

doesnt that mean you need another tankswap just after and reset stacks that way?

[graceful mason]

Yeah

You taunt during the cast

And then they taunt it back

And whenever you get back to boss you taunt

[warm plinth]

Right? Fine with me and if it's not broken, don't fix it.

[hardy snow]

despite monday ruined due to power outages, we killed today

[jagged gust]

ayyyyy

now you finally get to parse?

[hardy snow]

nah, too weak to parse

but kill is a kill

[jagged pier]

just be me and not parse cause u do all the jobs

[jagged gust]

Hell I'd take a 66 any day 🥲

[frigid valley]

u got nothing on me son

[hardy snow]

I was lucky enough our DH tank took both tank bombs and electric last bomb

but still played in defensive build, just in case

and on kill pull had to take two frontal soaks ina row in p2 cause buddy messed up and it was better that I take 2nd stack isntead of him with bomb

btw. its normal that this green fatass drops three mounts or someone in my group got lucky?

[frigid valley]

3 is standard

and somehow i still dont have it

[torn gulch]

damn nome left his wowhead writer position

do we get a gigachad from our discord to pick up his position?

especially as it's apparently paid

[jagged gust]

We'll miss you nome!

[torn gulch]

nvm

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[torn gulch]

i don't know why i saw warrior

[dusky canopy]

Stir the pot real quick

[jagged gust]

[bleak aspen]

How the hell do you tank 3rd boss motherload? Hits like a truck

[jagged gust]

on it

[dusky canopy]

Stand in front of it and press defensives as needed

[grand oak]

She hits rarely and spend lots of time casting

[torn gulch]

so you focus your defensives in between her casts

[jagged gust]

Do you have a WA to track her autos?