protection

[daring narwhal]

how do we survive one shot because no magic dr though

[frigid valley]

there's 2x stamina trinkets next season

[round cliff]

use ur other magic dr

[frosty wave]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=871/shield-wall

[sharp merlin]

ahahah, I was gonna say, magic is normally a dot after you take the hit, the hits are normally physical to begin with 😂

[frosty wave]

All damage means all damage
Initial hit
Dot and all

In bigwigs you can configure the exact moment when the TB is going to hit

And not making it pay for it 🙂

[violet ginkgo]

I wonder how can we survive the first boss. Alternating spellblock and shield wall is super nice on the tankbuster, but now no spellblock , not sure if double wall can cover it.

[summer mortar]

Is Bolster ever worth taking over shield block? 14 seconds of 40 percent dam reduction sounds kinda of insane and makes last stand not suck

Plus it's an extra charge of shield block feels like it would be good on a big pull?

[frosty mango]

I don’t even know what half those icons are

[frosty mango]

No

[summer mortar]

What about over ravager then?

[frosty mango]

You already will have shield block at nearly 100% functional uptime

[summer mortar]

Sorry I meant shield wall

I think bolster gives you shield wall for it's duration

And last stand duration is 14 seconds

[frosty mango]

It gives you shield block

[summer mortar]

Ah shit

Yeh that is ass then

[sharp gale]

I think without spell block we can have a def rotation on first boss with this current ptr tree

I don’t remember the exact number seconds between each beam explosion, but 100% you can work a wall+SR, SR+ Demo shout etc

[sweet summit]

30 seconds between them

[sharp gale]

• you can be colossus now, so you gained avatar giving shield wall

[round cliff]

prot warriors afraid of using their tools as defensives

demo shout is an OFFENSIVE cooldown

[sweet summit]

real

[violet ginkgo]

Offense Zug Zug fruit

[gleaming knoll]

i deadass sometimes use rally as a defensive for myself cause if others fuck up they die, if i fuck up 10% more hp is nice, im using that fully selfishly lol

[sharp gale]

Yes I don’t like the mixed goal of demo shout, but you will need it to survive now imo

I need to check the pathing to take thunderlord as colossus

[forest swallow]

can someone help me i feel like im having a hard toime keeping up shield block

and i dont really know what im doing wrong

[sharp gale]

Do you play Into the Fray with low haste ?

[violet ginkgo]

I think so Flu, maybe he into the fray with not enough haste.

[sharp gale]

Don’t call my Flu

[violet ginkgo]

What should I call you then? Jouf? 😁

[round cliff]

damn saw a wow ADVERTISEMENT in the big 2025

crazy shit

[warm plinth]

wonder why they decided to put both shields from raid on the dinar menu but none of the shields from M+. Titan makes sense since it's a cantrip item but the other is just a regular drop. Would've been cool to be able to get a myth shield after doing all 12s

[solid sun]

I also thought trinkets only from m+ was a weird decision

[forest swallow]

i do play into the fray idk about the low haste but should i switch into heavy repercussions?

[mighty valley]

If your haste is below ~17k then yeah it’s gonna be hard to keep up shield block without HR

[forest swallow]

okeyy thx

[jade hazel]

Making too much sense dude

[sharp gale]

Im still rolling with the crafted shield

[frosty mango]

Le happy

Joyeuxjofflu imo

[warm plinth]

This today compared to bricked at I'pa yesterday x_x

[undone beacon]

Woaw

Good job! :3

[warm plinth]

Thanks

[round cliff]

waw i didn't know u played relevant content

sorry was that mean

[warm plinth]

Well, idk it just kinda happened

Gonna try to get 3k this season but that's all I really care about

Probably need like 3 13s to finish up

Oh shit I can get myth track trinket now! My cursed existence as a random stat stick trinket enjoyer is over

[old juniper]

That sounds about right. I think I needed 3 or 4 13s to do it. 3k was all I cared about, crept up to like 3025 helping other people get there but I’m not pushing higher lol. Just don’t care to

[warm plinth]

Obvious choice right? 😏

[undone beacon]

based

That and stein EZ

[warm plinth]

I bought pacemaker like a pleb

[undone beacon]

Pacemaker epic

[gentle ore]

So with the Charged bolt nerfs, and I only see fury/arms in Archies post.. we follow them?

[frosty mango]

It will probably end up being haste proc but it’s hard to tell yet

[vocal cave]

[undone beacon]

Honestly I just picked haste proc off the rip and is been fine

[solid sun]

I don't even have the belt

[warm plinth]

How come?

[strong forum]

bro i dont even have corruptions

[warm plinth]

...why lol

[strong forum]

havent played the game in almost 3 months

[warm plinth]

Oh

Here you can have some of my mementos

[urban sequoia]

demo shout + shield walll for the lil avatar so my demolish can do bigger deeps u3u

[kind urchin]

I just hopped back on the other day to play a bit after a couple months off myself.

[vocal cave]

anyone cant copy their character on ptr realm? I can copy every character except for one

[kind urchin]

I haven't had any copy issues for individual characters. I did try an account copy and it just wouldn't work.

[formal elbow]

why they are deleting spell block?...dunno why they just not give us passive spell-block by x% of normal blockrate?...could be so easy ...

[strong forum]

cuz it was too difficult to use!

[mortal cypress]

Cos I asked John blizzard to make it easier to play

[undone beacon]

All my copies worked except my hunter for some reason, big sadge

[vocal cave]

so spell reflect is next on chopping block?

[frosty mango]

Yes but then that would be too easy to use

Nothing is wrong with spellblock, it was put into the game to solve a gap in the warrior kit and blizz just doesn’t want to put the effort to actually make the ui display the information needed - so they delete it

Which is an idiotic take

Their logic (it requires esoteric knowledge not shown in game) is sound but their solution is not

[strong forum]

nah they just keep making it less and less useful

you can almost count on 1 hand the things you can reflect in pve this season

[warm plinth]

And the things you can reflect are generally not impactful

[frosty mango]

If they gave us back intervene reflect it would be super useful 😦

[frosty mango]

Cries in nokhud offensive

[warm plinth]

Honestly I'm just sad because when Cathedral comes back, I know 100% that we won't be able to reflect Chaotic Energies 😦

[vocal cave]

reflecting deflecting fyrakk's tankbuster

[sharp merlin]

I thought demo shout was a defensive?

[sweet summit]

2 in 1

[kind urchin]

It is. And if you're doing stuff where you need it in your defensive rotation you should use it as such. Otherwise just send it for the damage boost.

[chilly brook]

That is my suggestion for spellbreaker, it should be a 4% chance to negate magic damage while also giving you the ability to block all spells but at 25% effectiveness

[warm plinth]

nah, 4% negation of magic obviously is totally fine and not a shit talent at all

👀

[chilly brook]

That would be a ~10-11% damage reduction on magic with crit block going up to 20%

[warm plinth]

If we still had the old honed reflexes and skybreaker was on a choice node with it, I'd still have to be like "hmm" for a second

[sharp merlin]

Is the damage boost from voice?

[chilly brook]

It wouldn’t be broken

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

But it would be impactful

[warm plinth]

I'm on board

[chilly brook]

And it would help in the sustained magic damage weakness we have while not completely fixing it

[warm plinth]

Make it happen. Someone call Ion

[chilly brook]

Completely not related to this at all but @frosty mango

First time smoking

[lyric fern]

that looks beautiful

[chilly brook]

8 hour smoke

[warm plinth]

when's dinner...?

[chilly brook]

Rn

Pulled it off at 8am this morning

[warm plinth]

but you're like 8 hours from me

[chilly brook]

Let it rest for 4 hours

[warm plinth]

I'll never make it in time

[slender bison]

Daily reminde that they changed Dailcry to have a AoE brown puddle instead of red line spear. And in general they're tired of designing content and going "uh, did we check list warrior spell block for this?"

[warm plinth]

I do not understand why they changed Dailcry

Was it too hard of a mechanic for people or something

[slender bison]

They like puddles. Usually puddles are dps disrupt and if close room - DPS race

See CoT amalgamation

[warm plinth]

I hate puddles; this has very much seemed like the puddle expansion and it's not great

[pallid quiver]

If anything, it was too negligible of a mechanic

[warm plinth]

Least favorite dungeon boss so far is 1st boss of Cinderbrew

Just awful

Not hard, just annoying as fuck

[pallid quiver]

it had no effect when it came out unless you mega fucked up

[warm plinth]

Honorable mention to those ToP minibosses where every goddamn spell is space denial

[obtuse egret]

So why are they taking spell block?

[pallid quiver]

I'll at least take shit tons of space denial over them just making everything a caster with 500 stops required

[warm plinth]

The reason they gave is that it requires too much information that isn't readily available int he game

e.g. people can't inherently know whether it will work or not

[slender bison]

For every content they design, they have to work an internal checklist. And they wanna remove the concept of blocabkle spell. It's too much of a hassle. To avoid any inbalances

The frontup reason is PR

[warm plinth]

Well, if they wanted to avoid the concept of blockable spells, they would've removed holy shield too.

[obtuse egret]

Right but dosent pally also block spells?

[warm plinth]

remove the concept*

[slender bison]

They'll iterate. Prot paladin is in a bad spot now

It's squishy physical

We'll be ok even if they don't rework Keybreaker 4%. We have 10% MDR extra SR window and giga buff HPS from FvB. Maybe high keys take Last stand for a larger buffer during caster pulls

Week 1 etc

[obtuse egret]

We heal more now? ive not read all the cahnges yet

[frigid valley]

fueled by violence massive buff

[slender bison]

BDK level during SS crits after Demolish windows

[small steeple]

but its a lot of fun, but yeah, I feel 5x tankier on my brew than prot pal in m+

[slender bison]

1.5-2M HPs, depending on pull size

[obtuse egret]

is that just for tank spec?

[obtuse egret]

ah okay, big

[slender bison]

Avoid "big" meme next season as a prott war in Dawnbreaker and Halls

Incoming gif pwarr meme on VDH discord

[frigid valley]

eh no clue, i dont pay attention to the other 2 peasant specs

[frosty mango]

Hell yeah meat war

[chilly brook]

It was good, some of it was dryer than I’d have liked but I mean I just kinda let it smoke unsupervised for 4 out of the 8 hours and pulled it at 207 so slightly higher than I would have liked but overall not bad for a first shot

[round cliff]

i want good food but im afraid of failure so i don't cook

[mighty valley]

Nice, pulled pork was my first smoke too

[idle needle]

W

[warm plinth]

Xantaga could smell the goodness all the way from the dps channels

[chilly brook]

Failure is the best teacher

[sick sentinel]

does anyone use 4 set vdh for using the hunt

[chilly brook]

I think that’s a question for https://discord.com/channels/213770335735119873/660181958155960340

[elfin ginkgo]

Hi alllll
I need some1's 2nd opinion. Given that I have:
8/8 hero peacemaker
cyrce's circlet

Shall i spent my cartel chip on HC jastor diamond or Myth pacemaker?

[sick sentinel]

i have a dh questionn if anyone can answer pls

if the meta for vengeance dh is haste/crit and vers but mastery is the stat that increases armor, how will vdh tank with less armor
i mean wont the dh with less armor be more prone to one shots

[small steeple]

This is a warrior discord server

And to answer, it’s way more nuanced than”mastery bad therefore you get one show”

[sick sentinel]

well collecting souls does reduce damage taken by 2 percent per soul which also stacks

i was just worried about getting 1 shot b4 collecting souls

[small steeple]

If you get one shot, you messed up

[elfin ginkgo]

now do me! do me!

[karmic stream]

should i swap 671 eye of kezan for 684 tome of devotion? ( or some other dung trinket) /

[small steeple]

Easiest way is to sim. For me, H Jastor Diamond simed lower than my M Track rings

[elfin ginkgo]

i dont have mythic track rings 😦

[karmic stream]

i tried to sim but it just says 0.2% overall dmg, but everyone keeps saying tome is best trinket i dont see how

[warm plinth]

just had an interesting experience in rookery 13

somehow the second to last pack in the dungeon aggroed while we were doing first boss

started destroying people through the floor

[cerulean tusk]

seems intended

[fair beacon]

Question: is protection warrior going to be realistically viable (invited) in the coming season? basically what I have read is blanket nerfs across the board, both in terms of the talents being reworked/removed, or just by moving them into quite unfavorable places.

[cerulean tusk]

Depends on final tuning

[frigid valley]

we've had one itteration of the ptr cycle, which still has 2 months of testing, changing, reverts and so on. there's also no real content classes can be tried in on ptr atm, so your question is like impossible to know

[cerulean tusk]

We could be broken AF, or dogwater that dried up

I will do a round of testing in a month or so, see what is up. But currently there isnt much to test.

[frigid valley]

giving an answer today i might as well just ask my 7 year old for an answer which would be as good as anyones in here

[fair beacon]

Let's be honest though, they have never reverted nerfs towards us, at best they reduced the amount of the nerf, but still a nerf 😄

[cerulean tusk]

Your 7yo prob got better sources than the devs themselves, so I would do that and roll dice, do tarrot cards and do a raindance.

[fair beacon]

true dat 😄

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/missallthingsawesome-awesomelystudio-pink-pink-queen-queen-of-pink-gif-12189469716104759584

even if we were to hit live like garbage, remember the random double buff prot pala got and went from worst by MILES to the best tank in s1

[fair beacon]

at this point I am thinking that blizzard has some people that look at this "world of magic" and starting to realize some random bro with weapons and no magic has no place it, undermining us bit by bit each expac 😄

[cerulean tusk]

But... we do use magic

magic equipment

also our very beings are magic

there is so much magic

we just hit ppl with magic things

[fair beacon]

even other so called non magical (mana-based)people have extra ordinary abilities, rogues can utilize the shadows and blink. our abilies consist of hit, hit harder, hit the hardest 😄

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, you can be as much of an arcane caster that you want. You wont be able to cast spells with your mouth filled with loose teeth and blood

"I spent 1000 years, preparing for this moment. Nothing can stop my power!"
arrow to the head
... Here rests the Mage who did absolutely nothing.

Magic is very overrated, if magic doesnt make you immune to the most fundamental powerful tool of all time

||the pointystick||

[fair beacon]

I miss when we actually had a ranged weapon too 🙂

[warm plinth]

eh, it's not like it did anything that heroic throw doesn't do

[fair beacon]

nah, just for posterity 😄

[warm plinth]

Would be cool if we had a glyph for heroic throw where it could shoot a gun/bow instead though

[cerulean tusk]

javelin/spear

a freaking brick

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[fair beacon]

I still want my Gondor Tower Guard mog (big rectangular shield and a spear)

[undone beacon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1075277342777294901/bubuh.gif

[formal elbow]

i would like a new weapon category..give 1hand flails...that would be nice x)

[fair beacon]

dont we already have flails under one-handed mace?

[undone beacon]

Yes

[formal elbow]

only some skins..but no real flails

[undone beacon]

Don't need to junk up the loot pool with more weapon types, or you end up with glaives again

The era of having unique weapons types that do unique things is well past

[fair beacon]

Since we already have a glyph to change the heroic throw into our equipped weapon, if we got a one-handed spear / shield combo, we could keep chucking spears. that be freakin epic dude!

[jagged gust]

D2 amazon style

[undone beacon]

something something just let us transmog something something single minded fury

[formal elbow]

sadly yes...it made the game more intresting...

[fair beacon]

I remember when they added that "fish" weapon transmog, I was dearly waiting for a potato mog toot (especially with that whole little garden you had in your garrison) so I could throw potatoes 😄

[heavy sparrow]

I miss the weapon throw glyph

[warm plinth]

If you mean the one that throws your actual weapon instead of the base animation, that's still a thing.

[pallid quiver]

i miss normal throw

it was hilarious spamming tiny ass daggers at things

[dense cradle]

isnt the magetower skin one

[warm plinth]

Define real flail

[pallid quiver]

something you can harm someone with

[sharp merlin]

Can we still do the magetower?

Gosh I haven't been to the Class Hall since Legion

[pallid quiver]

It's active even outside Legion timewalking iirc

But you can't unlock the original rewards iirc?

[sharp merlin]

shit.. this brings me back

damn, need a Legion wep.. need to find it in my vault

it's been so long 😦 they should bring back class halls, that was so sick

[spring sparrow]

Im being told we are losing spell block- I assume we get some kind of compensation, no?

[feral zealot]

Hope so

[fair beacon]

we are not, we got a 4% chance to deflect magic 😄

which we have to get cause its in the way for other talents

[feral zealot]

Really? Only a CHANCE?

[jagged gust]

I mean

you could take that talent if you wanted

you'd be dumb to

but you could

[lime mantle]

Just invest into luck irl (you should've done this already) and always reflect the important spells, DUH.

[strong forum]

Okay but what if you deflect that 10e7840 magic hit and live and kill the boss securing your CE!!!!?!!

Or timing your key

[torn gulch]

[heavy sparrow]

It's like blowing on dice

[slim dove]

[strong forum]

Which are completely realistic scenarios and not strawman arguments people have pulled before for other things

[torn gulch]

if i want to gamble I play Book of Ra

not warrior

[slim dove]

Can we just natty block spells smh

Let me enjoy pwar for a season I'm so over vdh

[strong forum]

Blizz Just needs to for once have encounter design not yolo

And be consistent when it comes to tank mechanics

And not this "yeah phys hit not blockable, but applies magical dot portion that is, but also not reflectable"

"BTW here's also this physical hit with a dot component which you can parry, but you can also deflect it removing the entire thing"

"BTW here's this aoe thing, entirely blockable"
"BTW here's this physical aoe swing of a weapon, not blockable or parry able"

Make up your fucking mind blizzard

Wdym QA, we outsource that to the player and external companies

But then ignore their PTR feedback cuz we have no QA

[slender bison]

They probably want to tone down the reflect vs blocabkle vs dot vs parry stuff. Most likely tied to the anti-addon campaign

[strong forum]

I'll believe it when I see it

[slender bison]

Midnight will have more answers

[strong forum]

It'll bring more questions

Like every xpac

[torn gulch]

i am fully expecting the initial no addon part of midnight to be an absolute disaster

[strong forum]

100%

It's gonna take minimum 1 tier

If not entire xpac

[torn gulch]

to the same tune as shadowlands

no joke

[strong forum]

People gna start writing programs to get livesplit to be new bigwigs

Looo-

[torn gulch]

it's crazy to me that they want to do their own tools where they could literally copy details plater straight into the game

you already have incredible addons ready for you to implement into the game

[slender bison]

I think they want to bring tanks to the same baseline when it comes to damage profile, but maintain roleplay/feel. Maybe.

When they design an encounter they do the "can warr reflect/block this?" Checklist. It's tiresome for them. But then again the main dev efforts are for Midnight. TWW is on life support

[jagged gust]

DF was supposed to be the slump xpac

but here we are, still in the slump

[slender bison]

Less obscure mechanics, less need for addons

[jagged gust]

fighting goblins for some reason

[torn gulch]

i would argue df was better than tww

up to now

[strong forum]

Tww started off amazing

And its just getting weirder and weirder

Usually xpacs start off bad and then get better

[jagged gust]

DF had a strong 3rd season

[strong forum]

But tww feels the reverse

[torn gulch]

the story is getting wild next patch kekw

[round cliff]

if i had to bet $5 rn
am i switching to brm next season?

[slender bison]

At the same time they don't wanna rugpull the playerbase and break addons. So there are these iterations

[strong forum]

No clue didn't read up on anything but warrior

[slender bison]

What's cringe is that they added avoidance talent to ... A tank

[strong forum]

2%!!

[torn gulch]

shows lack of ideas

[strong forum]

(I fully believe these are still placeholder values)

(but also filler talents)

[cerulean tusk]

Nome is in denial, 4% could be almost never. Or it could be...

ALWAYS VALUE, EVERY SINGLE HIT

Opopopopop

Giga BIS

[slender bison]

I seriously think the class designers are working on Midnight and the summer interns writing TWW talent specs supervised by a senior

[jagged gust]

whats the last tier set you remember using?

[cerulean tusk]

Overall, I dont dislike the tree tho. It aint that bad

[torn gulch]

and then the senior will have to intervene

like last ptr

when they see the feedback that it sucks

[slender bison]

When intervene buff

[torn gulch]

yes i would like the shield on it to be baseline and 10 times the armor

[cerulean tusk]

When intervene lasts for longer than 6 sec, so you can use it to protect ppl permantly from fixate mechanics

[slender bison]

Last time intervene was good was like ... Chargath fight? Can't remember. And Darkflame fixate mobs

[near salmon]

honestly i dont even think there are interns. It's probably the same team of people whose focus is on midnight. Then each Monday from 4:55pm to 5:00pm they worked on current expansion/season for a little bit

[cerulean tusk]

What if I told you...

it is AI

[near salmon]

oh yea acutally that

it's all AI

[jagged gust]

lol you think they're doing it on working hours?

[jade hazel]

This was my only question really on prot was when or if ever do I use intervene other than like someone got threat far away or something

[jagged gust]

blizzard is probably giving them homework

[cerulean tusk]

AI logic would be:

• People on forum complain about too many buttons.
• People on forum complain about Spell Block being too difficult to use
  Solution:
• Remove Spell Block

✅ AI vertified

[jade hazel]

holy shit

[strong forum]

It makes too much sense actually

[slender bison]

"Certainly. Usually a RPG warrior tank needs strength, stamina and ... avoidance. A warrior is master of close quarters combat, so spell related defenses doesn't help him." - probably chatgtp before they redid the talents

[sick sentinel]

how can warrior block spells with a wooden shield

[near salmon]

True. That explains the total lack of care.

[chilly brook]

I mean spell block was truly awful

granted reflect isn't much better in terms of the "reflect" part but it's always valuable even if it doesn't reflect

0 consistency

although that's really just a blizzard problem not necessarily a spell block problem

[tribal wharf]

okay, so, im asking gpt about nomes post about dont remove spell block and it says hes right it claims

1. Don’t remove Spell Block — refine it Make Spell Block more intuitive (add visual cues? better tooltip clarity?).
   Reduce uptime or duration if balance is the concern. Let it scale with Resolve or Mastery, adding trade-offs.
2. Increase transparency between blockable and unblockable magic
3. If Spell Block is removed, it must be replaced
4. Avoid turning Prot Warrior into a one-note or niche tank

i wanted to see what a robot would think

[chilly brook]

The weird thing is it really wouldn't take much for the filler talents to actually be good

[chilly brook]

robot already fucked up "Resolve" lmao

[tribal wharf]

is that some paladin passive

i assume

✅ What I should have said: "Let it scale with something modern like Mastery or Strength" — stats that still matter for Prot Warriors today.

[frosty mango]

Did you read my feedback on the thread

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, I dont have energy to fight the devs atm. Not after the broke my spirit with Slayer Fury (4) set

[tribal wharf]

it wants Indom to be 3 minute cd "immune to all magical effects 4s" and "ip absorbs 1/4 more vs magic" "dots tick 15% slower on you and deal 10% less", wants to give SR 10% dr for 6s

[frosty mango]

“Your boss calls you into his office, he said hey Roidburg - we really feel like we’re not getting our values here and it’s just because we don’t give you the tools you need”

Oh yeah? That’s awesome, what are we gonna do to fix that?

“Oh we’re not, you’re fired”

it’s not you it’s me

[tribal wharf]

sorry not sorry

i got all the loot i wanted out of that raid ne-ways heh

[pallid quiver]

but nome, they said aoe abilities aren't blockable!

I bet you think there's even ground effects you could reflect, even. Bet you think there's even an example in a BFA dungeon smh

[strong forum]

and certainly no mythic endboss

which cost the boss 2-6% hp per reflect!

nono

[jade hazel]

noooooob prot here. I enjoy dummies and practicing rotation quite a lot, is using the Crystalmaw dummie an effective way to practice rotation/stance switching and stuff?

[warm plinth]

Stance switching isn't much of a thing right now.

But rotation, sure

[jade hazel]

I didn’t think it was, I mean I do it for arms/fury so I figured it was about the same

[mighty valley]

You basically don’t need to switch stances ever but yeah, challenge yourself to never miss a gcd and keep shield block up the whole time

[warm plinth]

Yeah with battle stance being such a small difference, you either stay in defensive stance in harder content or stay in battle in easier content

Generally unless you're trying to parse really high, there's not much reason to be in battle

[jade hazel]

I thought you just switched before taking big damage then switch back

[warm plinth]

Nope. We just sit in def

We swapped previously when defensive stance had a -damage modifier on it

[jagged gust]

^

[warm plinth]

But now the only difference is we dont get the 3% crit from battle stance, which is hard to justify considering def stance is such a big defensive gain

[jade hazel]

“Camping in either stance permanently is typically not the right way to play. Instead, you want to swap back and forth as the situation dictates.”

https://tenor.com/view/gob-arrested-development-gif-5542970

[mighty valley]

it is an absolutely tiny optimization you can do to switch to battle stance for times you’re not taking major damage but in m+ that’s really rare

and something you can leave til you feel like you’ve mastered everything else

[jade hazel]

Gotcha thanks y’all

[jade hazel]

ammm i even bothering to keybind spell block? i use reflect liberally as a dps and that's staying right?

[warm plinth]

If you're doing keys this season then yes, you should keybind it

[young gyro]

So... what are we getting in return for losing Spell Block anything?

[warm plinth]

10% additional DR on Spell Reflection

[young gyro]

So another talent required in our already full tree... Can we just slap Blizzard?

[pallid quiver]

You should revisit the new talent tree

There's like 3-ish points you will likely be able to switch around

It's a lot better than our current tree design/pathway wise

[young gyro]

I havent looked at anything on the PTB cause it changes so often I just wait till its a RC to look at it.

But thank you for letting me know. ^_^

[jolly swift]

I hate that in the new talent tree tough as nails is so hard to get

[cerulean tusk]

i am taking spellbreaker, then I am gonna roll the 100 in a row

then I will come in here and laugh at you guys

nonbelievers

[restive oak]

you'll take it and instead of 4% or whatever it just wont work at all

[frosty mango]

This comment doesn’t have enough dooming im gonna need you to fix that

[cerulean tusk]

We aint dooming in here, I am happy about our shieldspike (if they actually make it have no ICD)

[frosty mango]

Seems good to go on ptr now

It also does seem to scale with main stat or maybe armor

[cerulean tusk]

It will do silly DPS in Brakenhide when it comes back, the 0.3 attack speed lads gonna blow emselves up

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure yet but the tooltip value does change so I’m fairly sure it’s str or ap

[cerulean tusk]

I am one of those who enjoy thorns

[sullen gust]

Do we think we would be able to take the execute talents? They look kinda cool to me, triple execute seems fun. Id worry all the points in the centre middle would be stronger to the point it isn't worth taking the more fun ones

[restive oak]

probly not, but we'll know when it's closer to live

[worthy lichen]

does this mean reflect can stop the damage, but it wont deal damage to boss?

[orchid mural]

Wow Nomeratur, those wowhead comments completely missed the boat. Thanks for making the post, and ignore those fellas 🙂

[chilly brook]

Why are there so many people on M Gally that take bolster instead of spell block?

[warm plinth]

Correct. Deflect = reflect but without the damage

[grim pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-train-loaf-gif-16290561475055465817

[tribal wharf]

deflect is, it hits you but it rolls nat 1 and the blade broke off or the fire of fire ball went out

and it just like bounces off you

[chilly brook]

but like fr wouldn't bolster on Gally be troll compared to spell block?

[worthy lichen]

ty

[frosty mango]

If I had to guess, you spend a lot of time out of melee which means no rage gen

Bolster would let you prop up sblock without worrying about rage gen

Drive by yogi’ing

[sick sentinel]

what exactly mkes prot warrior tanking better than all the other tanking specs

what about the prot warrior style of tanking makes it thebest

what can prot warrior do better that makes it stand out enouf to say 'yes i want to play prot warrior'

warrior has shield block but bear can iron fur to max physical damage reduc at 80 percent

[slim dove]

mogs and mogs alone.

[sick sentinel]

welll ya ur right no one can deny plate mogs are besst

[slim dove]

bear gameplay is genuinely terrible also.

[sick sentinel]

why terrible

cuz u gotta build up stacks?

[slim dove]

pressing ironfur over other rage spenders is cringe gameplay

also their class/spec trees feel even worse than pwar's to path through

[frosty mango]

Nothing

Other this this channel because were goated

But warrior isn’t really any better than any other tank just as other tanks aren’t better than warrior. Save for the extreme high (literal bleeding edge) every tank is doing top end content

[worthy lichen]

distrupting shout and shockwave

[frosty mango]

By all other you mean maul?

The design intent is that pressing ironfur also provides damage

I’ll grant you the elune m+ spec is brain dead and the Druid of the claw raid spec is reasonably fun

[sleek mulch]

I know its waaay to early to know but based off first patch info how we think prot is looking for next season mythics?

[worthy lichen]

is there a sheet up for the s3 reflects somewhere?

[mighty valley]

its waaay too early to know

as usual I’d guess: not meta but totally capable

[sweet summit]

when s3 is out the sheet will be updated

[sharp merlin]

Does it sound right that a Hero Semi-Charged Amulet would be better than Crafted 681 Neck?

[mellow bridge]

Depending on your exact stats and sim settings, it could happen yes

Jewelry doesn't have mainstat so the ilvl rule sometimes doesn't work perfectly

[timid nacelle]

Hey Brown Brothers, does anyone have a Weak Aura that tracks Searing Reagent cast/hits from Rixxa Fluxflame? I am getting clapped in ML 18+ and just want to make sure I have the CD for the actual hits rather than guessing

[jagged pier]

well its her auto attacks so they very predicable

when she isnt spewing shit on the ground or clearing shit then shes gunna auto

so only autos for extended periods when u ahve to move here thats what u save CDs for

[hardy snow]

dont worry, if it will be doing nice dmg, it will get tuned

[sharp merlin]

So she doesn't auto if she's not moving?

She claps my cheeks LOL

[jagged pier]

thats not what i said

[sharp merlin]

she only autos for an 'extended period', when she moves, ahh

[jagged pier]

she might do the odd auto inbetween spraying

but she basically only an issue when u need to move to the clear spot

[formal elbow]

i agree...^^ legion was the last xpac i rly liked, so good class fantasy ❤️

[sharp merlin]

fair, I find I have to warn healers

otherwise they just aren't aware of the cheek clapping

[timid nacelle]

Ok that helps alot. Thanks man. This and Dailcry probably the hardest hitting for me

Oh and big momma gets an honorable mention

[sharp merlin]

Mud for Dailcry makes it a bit easier, same for Big Momma

[timid nacelle]

Yeah I have been running for both.

[wind swan]

Are the new prot changes good or bad in 11.2?

I’m currently leveling a prot warrior and am just wondering the thoughts of people that actually play it

[hardy snow]

some are good, some are very bad

[zinc juniper]

too early of ptr to tell but the changes right now is
the good: we got a lot more of self heal
the bad: we lost spell block making way harder to survivel magic encounters in dgs like priory or floodgate.

if blizzard somehow brings back spell block i think we are in a good shape in season 3

[cerulean tusk]

Solution is to pull in 10x footmen to heal instead of spellblock

Get good

[tardy sequoia]

well the ppl commenting under the post as to why removing spell block is bad are clueless, most are even writing they never used it so

[strong forum]

the reddit comments are actually really agreeable

its the wowhead comments that are

special

[jagged pier]

i mean wowhead comments are always speical

[strong forum]

yea

[jagged pier]

unless its a comment on a guide with the actual steps and corrdinates those are based

[round pendant]

I wish I put the effort in to get more out of spell block

But soon it's gone and I'm too late

I'll never know that joy

[hardy snow]

comments on wowhead under article and comments under items/quests/guides are totally different worlds 😄

I think SR compensation talent would be more useful if it not only increase DR, but also duration

[slender bison]

Man, if we leave PTR with 2 charges for Spell Reflect it would be something

[jagged pier]

[slender bison]

Merge Hunker + Keybreaker into Spell Reflect 2nd charge + 10% MDR

Still not as powerful as Spell Block, but it's something to work with

[woven scroll]

just give block a smaller potion to also spell block. someone said already, it doesnt make sense that you raise a shield to block and the firball just flys around?!

[hardy snow]

well, for example Kyveza tankbuster physical part wasnt blockable, so you rise your shield, she hits you with her weapon and it flys around as well 🙂

Ansurek's Feast as well, so the big spider wants to bite you, you rise your shield and her teeth fly around, so fireball isnt something weird in this world

[woven scroll]

ye.. its sad.. but youre right..
so, the main goal for blizz should be to design encounters around this crappy things.. ❤️😅

[karmic plinth]

someone i key with said that spellbreaker should be an on use magic immunity but also makes you healing immune for the true spellbreaker fantasy

[slender bison]

That would be dumbed down design. You already keep Shield Block to make the class work. Now it's free magic mitigation? You would lose agency/management and it would just dumb down the class

[jagged pier]

Dont want to doom guys, but if they thought having to know what spell block work on and what it didnt, doesnt bode well for have shield block or spell reflect in the future cause u need to knownfor them too

[karmic plinth]

incoming "shield block increases armour" and "spell reflection no longer reflects spells"

[jagged pier]

Its a reality we may have live with just warning you guys

[slender bison]

Spell Reflect now only reflects shitty battle net forums comments

[karmic plinth]

honestly i wouldnt be surprised if we just stopped getting any good reflects

[hardy snow]

Lets hope for the shield block they will just go with "here are talents to block all the time, so you dont have to think when its needed or not"

[ionic nimbus]

Just give us Pala spellblock…. Or IP back to 90% DR

[sharp merlin]

It used to be as much as 90?

holy crap

[jagged pier]

Yer in legion

[sharp merlin]

Damn son

I remember Legion tanking we were just invincible (I was Blood DK and Bear) but honestly felt like Blizz just let tanks be invincible

[lofty glen]

ist this then 10x10 or do we get 1 sec for every stack?

[mental scarab]

Started tanking back then, didnt know i needed SB i just spammad IP

[ionic nimbus]

For every Stack of colossus you get extra 2%, 10 Stacks = 20%

[ionic nimbus]

The thing is, we werent the most defensive tank back then

[solid sun]

I’m pretty sure at the beginning of Legion Warrior was

They got nerfed when emerald nightmare was still the current raid because of how ridiculously unkillable they were with almost no effort

[mental scarab]

Say what i know DKs have been Godlike many times

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah for 2 weeks or something like that

The most funny part was stacking inspiring presence

3 pwar at cenarius KEKW

[solid sun]

Back then was before the brew rework too

Almost no one knew how to play it and there was a blue post that the brew discord had a link for that explained how brew worked

Cenarius spears against a brew produced no puddle. Was so funny

[ionic nimbus]

Sadly after the nerfs at the beginning of Legion, there was no reason to bring a pwar at all

[bleak breach]

Hi guys looking for some help

On mythic Gally whats the trink to having him not chase the other tank when you taunt off the tank buster

Like the frontal one

Everytime I taunt it no matter early or late he still chases the other tank.

I’ve had like the odd one where he stays still, but can’t find anything I did differently

[frosty mango]

The other tank either needs to wait to move or you need to taunt earlier/later

Look up meeres pov it’s got a pretty good view of timings

But it is kinda janky

Is your other tank a dh and is he jumping away?

[bleak breach]

yeah it is

Could that be doing it?

Also do I want to be taunting at the start or end of the cast?

[frosty mango]

Yes

Ideally you want to taunt, boss focuses you, then he leaps

If he is just yolo leaping immediately the boss is gonna zip off unless you have Superman reaction speed

[bleak breach]

Okay, thanks heaps.
So boss targets him for ability, I taunt and then he can jump out?

[frosty mango]

The timing is kinda weird and granted I haven’t done it like that on mythic but the same problem exists on heroic and it’s been asked many times

But yes ideally you taunt then they leap

https://youtu.be/OrMyTuiiV7Q?si=IXm_sb2VMR0zvuip&t=97

This is a good pov

[bleak breach]

Thanks heaps

[waxen cradle]

The main thing I essentially hate about Blizzards excuse for taking away spell block is it begs the question... since when is it a bad thing to know your class well enough to know when to use what for the given situation your faced with ? They said it was tough to know when to use spell block and when not too, but with that extremely ignorant mentality where is the reward for skillful play of the game ?

They are basically saying that skillful play of the game in terms of when to use a specific part of the prot warriors toolkit is a bad thing. Which is ignorant and outright stupid on a monumental level

[jade hazel]

Yes. 100% agree.

[cerulean tusk]

Spellblock is one of those things I am kinda meh about. Sure, it was neat and required. But - if they made it just a passive add for block, or just baked in enough passive MDR to make up for it, I cant say I will miss it.

[jade hazel]

I don’t think it’s throwing a table over and worth malding over. But I dunno.

@cerulean tusk what wa trackers should I be running as prot?

[waxen cradle]

Well a good example as Jakey posted above. Spell Reflect to get its full value requires you to know what it works on and for that very purpose every season for a while now a spreadsheet is posted by Sense to give people a heads up on what spells or abilities it can reflect, deflect or reduce damage on. So based on blizzards very narrow minded point of view is spell reflect soon to be on the chopping block

[jade hazel]

Resil keys have made it v fun and easily able for me to learn prot. Just posting my own resils and being like “I’m learning, come if you wish” and then peoples undergeared ratty alts or shit mains can’t get mad at me forr sucking

[cerulean tusk]

Kinda depends on what ya need. SB is up 100% of the time, but ya can have one to yell at ya. Then you want to make sure your UI show the duration of your running defencives, so you dont get caught offguard.

If you care - you can track things, but I wont blame ya if you just focus on tanking over minmaxing DPS throughoutput. The important bits dont really need to be tracked.

Guess spell reflect WA is neat, if ya dont have eyes

One WA that I can recommend tho, is the one ya already using, Ability Timeline. So ya can easily be in control

[jade hazel]

Okay awesome. Ty.

[jade hazel]

Ok I’d fucking rage. One of the most satisfying things to me as a arms/fury is seeing a big ass damage number after reflecting a spell/hit right

[cerulean tusk]

Thy ask, thy shall recieve the Funky's anwerino

[jade hazel]

I kno that’s why I only ask you stuff

[waxen cradle]

I don't know I am not dooming or anything. Far from it to be specific, but I have always been of the mentality that the more you know about your class the better off you are. Simply put knowing how to best use your toolkit in as many situations as possible is a great thing. So blizzard coming out and saying that people in WoW having to put in a little work or effort to know when exactly to use spell block as a part of the prot warriors toolkit goes counter to what I believe.

[craggy harness]

Didn't they say they wanted less APM for warriors so there's more time to think about what defensives to use, when they played around with MT?

(I mean I know they eventually said "ow my fingers" as the reason but)

[waxen cradle]

Something along those lines yes, but who can keep up with as quickly as they change there mindset

[lime urchin]

it's a shame, like learning to play the piano takes time and effort and can be fun, but blizzard decides to dumb it down to just play the keyboard, press a button and the tune will come out fine

[cerulean tusk]

If you want to actually lower APM, you either got to create dead GCDs, increase GCD or remove OGCD.

So either increase the effect of other stats, making us as an example Master/Crit heavy. Example would be having Mastery also working against magic damage. Making it more valuable. Then having crit being critical to have the engine turning above haste. How? Dunno, but haste gotta die, for it to be an effect. Be it talents removed/devalued or raw stats.

They could simply increase the GCD from 1.5 to 2, but that would just push the problem to a later date and later in the patch cycles.

If they make it so every GCD isnt really important, we still going to fill them, as doing anything is better than doing nothing. Dead GCD is something most players despise. The only way to make them partly work is by having them work with channels. Having something happen while it does its thing.

Finally, removing the off-gcd casts is usually very unpopular. As these are already few and far between. Those that aint on GCD would (and does, they did test it) feel aweful on GCD. Forcing GCD locks feels clunky and is by most percieved as unfun.

There is no winning here for Blizzards goal of fixing the GCD issue. Because the 'fast/fluid' gameplay is what we want.

[jade hazel]

You aren’t wrong feeling this way especially them going the route of “easier rotation” with the assistants instead of just making the game easier or putting in things built into the game to teach better instead of just removing stuff and putting bandaids on

[waxen cradle]

Honestly the most logical reason I can come up with for the removal of spell block for prot warriors is the blizzard devs are just lazy, and with the coming 11.2 content patch they could not be bothered to tune spell block to work with certain abilities within that season so rather than putting in the work to adequately tune the game and abilities to work with spell block in season 3 they determined removing it would be easier. Which would also explain the literal laughing stock of a replacement for it they tossed at us in the ptr patch notes.

[rancid sedge]

my gear was 100% at start the dugeon, and without any death my shield broke middle dugeon?

crazy

[hardy snow]

"up to 20%" so I guess its just 2p.p. per stack

[frosty mango]

Every game that tries to get rid of zoom zoom reactive gameplay always falls flat on its face

Poe tried it with poe2 - feels like shit
Wow does this at the start of every expansion - feels like shit

[trail forge]

I am definitely enjoying hitting off GCD IP less this season a lot, it's improved my enjoyment of the spec a lot more.

It's still fast and reactive but the monotony of hitting IP every single global isn't there

[cerulean tusk]

We still press it a lot during overflow, but sure - it aint as bad, but I played Crit/Mast season 1, so I never felt that problem

[round cliff]

i think wow should have official discord integration

[cerulean tusk]

Why - so devs can ignore us there as well?

[round cliff]

let me @ my guild discord for keys ingame

that's all i ask

i don't wanna tab out

[cerulean tusk]

Ah, well - luckilly, there is something for that

the overlay

[round cliff]

overlay can go pound sand

(i dont like change and i haven't figured out how to make it look nice)

[cerulean tusk]

Whatever floats your boat

[undone beacon]

i'll float ur boat

[frosty mango]

Having an official wow discord chat bridge would be

Next level

Even if they just enabled it for specific partners (like class discords)

Imagine you create a warrior, and get put into a channel where people from in game and discord can answer questions

Kinda like ff14 novice network, except not terrible

[solar skiff]

question can thuncer club bug and not prock rend?

becous i was jut doing Tw and my Blood and thunder didn'T work

but it just didn't work in that one dungeon

[chrome falcon]

never heard of that before

[frosty mango]

Did you queue as prot/spec dps or queue as dps and spec prot?

The game may change your specialization for you and in that case if you don’t have a talent build it might default and it may have rend

Not sure if it still auto swaps you but I think it does

[round cliff]

then they'd plant feds in here

and police us

we're a free nation

archi is a fed but he's cool

[frosty mango]

I work for the gov am I a fed?

[round cliff]

what dpt

[undone beacon]

glowie detected

[round cliff]

are u ICE

[frosty mango]

I have a very niche and unique set of skills so it’s probably easier to list what I haven’t worked for?

I move around a lot

[round cliff]

sus..

[frosty mango]

No ice and I haven’t supported them in my career thus far lol

[round cliff]

keeping an eye on u

[frosty mango]

I’ve worked on everything from tanks to financial systems

I have friends everywhere

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fbi-federal-bureau-of-gif-8514161478359178167

real roidberg footage

[round cliff]

can u hook me up with a govt job i work in IT :3

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-hat-nod-sir-gif-13861430

[restive oak]

i like the apm of prot warrior tho

[frosty mango]

Maybe not the best time to be getting into gov work

[round cliff]

u know.

fair

i already got laid off from my last state govt job xd

[frosty mango]

I don’t even think prot apm is really high

[restive oak]

if you filter out ip probably not

[frosty mango]

So I have a bit of a wierd arrangement - I work for a company who then subcontracts me directly to gov orgs as an embedded employee, so I get a gov badge, email, gov boss, etc. When I’m done doing what they need me to do, I get rolled off and I’m off to the next gov org

[elfin ginkgo]

Unexpectantly, the ML third boss is the hardest one for me. Any1 got tips?

[frosty mango]

So in a sense I am a contractor in how I am paid but functionally I’m what they would call a matrixed employee

[frosty mango]

Is this rixxa?

[elfin ginkgo]

Yeag

[round cliff]

that sounds fun in a way id want to move around like that

[frosty mango]

She doesn’t have auto attacks, her auto is basically a fire blast that is pure fire damage

Any time she’s not channeling a skill, you can safely assume she’s putting her fiery foot in your pooper

So spell block, spell reflect, shield wall can be rotated

The most dangerous portions are the pull, and when she’s resetting to move to a new area

Also very expected, rixxa is a known warrior abuser

[elfin ginkgo]

Ah i thought it was phys damage! Never used spell block before so that will help

[round cliff]

she's not bad at all once u have the defensive rotation down

it's a knowledge check

[frosty mango]

Well you’re gonna love next patch

[elfin ginkgo]

Haha no ML next patch

[undone beacon]

No spell block either!

[elfin ginkgo]

Imma go rend some newbs

[frosty mango]

Also no spell block

[undone beacon]

y'all see what bear is getting tho

5% move speed

fuck yeah

Gonna be perma 130% speed, [b]epic

[elfin ginkgo]

I just hope vdh gets nerfed more

[frosty mango]

Why

[elfin ginkgo]

Im so sick of the meta comp

[frosty mango]

Nerfs are never the answer

Well not when they don’t come with buffs

Nerfing the meta but not doing anything to the non meta just means the entire balance ceiling is moving down

I’d rather we see other tanks buffed or provided utility to bring them more in line with what dh has to offer - which is why it is meta

[elfin ginkgo]

Its mostly the utility between all classes right. Boomie aoe silence utility was way too good for the number of casters. Vdh cc and magic damage buff

[frosty mango]

Vdh has chains silence and misery

[royal marten]

And an aoe stun

[elfin ginkgo]

And mobility for skips

And tanky as fuck

[frosty mango]

And as long as they keep those while other classes do not have those, dh will be meta

[full plover]

Give warriors a triple choice node with rallying cry
Lust/brez/rally

[frosty mango]

Prot pally is also a contender when scaling hits

[elfin ginkgo]

Or make commanding shout not aweful

[elfin ginkgo]

Whaddayamean

[undone beacon]

Bear is gonna be sleeper pick fr fr

[frosty mango]

But at the end of the meta is largely irrelevant for like 99% of the player base, every single tank is doing top tier content atm

[royal marten]

Bear is pretty good right now, it's just slightly redundant with how good boomie is

[frosty mango]

Like this is objectively one of the best times for warrior

I can’t think of any recent time warrior has been in a good of a place as it’s in right now

[undone beacon]

Depending on how they tune the elunes chosen tierset, bear is gonna absolutely fuckin RIP in AoE/M+ next patch

[pseudo crown]

im having a great season as prot warrior

[undone beacon]

15 seconds lunar beam cd rn is crazy

[frosty mango]

I don’t think it will get close to war if tuning stays the same

[royal marten]

Yeah. Eat your heart out prot pallies, bear consecrate is on the table

[frosty mango]

But bear is also indestructible and piss easy

[undone beacon]

This. The ceiling is lower, so doing giga dam and not dying on bear is easier than prot

Rage managment is literally not a mechanic at this point

[frosty mango]

Bear needs more skill expression

[undone beacon]

I wish they made DotC/Ripweaving a viable M+ strat

[frosty mango]

If you have 3 brain cells you literally can’t die on bear

And your damage is 3 buttons

There’s no nuance

[shut summit]

this is prolly the best season prot warr has had since titles have been introduced, balance wise compared to the meta tank

[undone beacon]

If they gave some sort of cleave/aoe interaction to rip when you catweave it would be turbo

[royal marten]

Y'know, what if DotC bear got primal wrath for an empowered aoe ability

[frosty mango]

Hard agree. People focus so hard on the meta they miss that balance is actually very good atm

[undone beacon]

Literally

Ravage makes your next Rip into a Primal Wrath, ez

[frosty mango]

Get rid of fluid form and give me a new cat tanking spec

Catbear form

[undone beacon]

I want them to bring back shifting into boomkin for bearvoke

[royal marten]

DotC could've been the saberon 2.0 too. Empowered shape-shifting form

Just give you both cat and bear, yea

Cuz why not

[undone beacon]

Kinda sadge that Convoke is just, off the table 99% of the time

[frosty mango]

Yes, saberon form. Cat abilities, bear threat

[undone beacon]

Would've been cool to get a new shapeshift out of it that trades some of the defense for offense

[pseudo crown]

bearform doesnt get to use demolish, instant win for warrior :3

[frosty mango]

There’s so much cool shit they could do with Druid of the claw

[glad crater]

demolish is really satisfying to use

[undone beacon]

They wont do anything cool with DotC for the same reason they wont give us glad stance as a hero talent tree

[frosty mango]

IMO demolish will go core spec and end up at the bottom of our class talent tree

We’ll see fury with demolish if hero talents ever go away

[pseudo crown]

i macro avatar, demo shout, demolish and thunderous roar together on a castsequence

[undone beacon]

If they do away with hero talent trees I can see that

[pseudo crown]

i was 1 button rotation before it was cool

[undone beacon]

I do wonder what they're gonna do with hero talents after TWW

[elfin ginkgo]

Prot pallies already in the dumpster :'l

[glad crater]

put more

[undone beacon]

My pipe-dream conspiracy is that Midnight will give every class a new spec but thats based in nothing

[frosty mango]

I like the concept, what I know they won’t do is add more

Because that would be a balance nightmare

[royal marten]

Shaman tank 🙏

[nocturne spindle]

ranged warrior, its all throws and shouts

[glad crater]

They hate this idea... This needs to exist

[pseudo crown]

i hope we'll keep hero talents, mostly cause i love demolish, but it would pain me to pick it over something else

[elfin ginkgo]

Whats the lore-accurate explanation for deep wpunds healing?

[patent osprey]

agreed 🙂 Prot warrior has never felt better

[frosty mango]

Happy people are healing people

[nocturne spindle]

were all vampires

[frosty mango]

We are happy when we are violent

You could almost say it fuels us

[royal marten]

Canonically all warriors are vampires and BDKs are just larping

[undone beacon]

warrior so thirsty mmmmm

yummy blood mmmmm

[elfin ginkgo]

Oh no what have i done

[frosty mango]

I don’t think blizz cares about lore or logic

[royal marten]

Everybody is a health pack just waiting for you to take a sip

[frosty mango]

Why does shield block not block fireballs?

🤷

[pseudo crown]

we got that rimwold bloodlust trait that makes us happy to see someone bleed

[elfin ginkgo]

Fire ball make iron warm

[undone beacon]

this is my new mantra. I'm going to live my life like this

[elfin ginkgo]

Oof ouch owie

[undone beacon]

have you never heard of
heat metal
4hed

[frosty mango]

Impending victory. If I punch you in the face and you die, I instantly feel better

[royal marten]

Godspeed. Diabetic health packs taste sweeter

[pseudo crown]

honestly love prot war as a concept as well, ignore pain, victory rush, fueled by violence, it just quietly hints that other tank specs die cause they gave up

[shut summit]

that's why they gotta remove spell block, put us back into the pits of despair where they think we belong

[waxen cradle]

I did my good deed for the year and fed the WoW PTR forums my pound of flesh. Not that I think it will make a difference, but in so much as it may continue to feed discussion and in a perfect world help sway decisions. Yeah not kidding myself I know it won't

[royal marten]

First warriors apm are too high, let's ignore prot pallies and bears. Now warriors require too much knowledge to survive.

I think Blizz straight up bought into the meme of warriors being morons and not the physical geniuses they are

[pseudo crown]

honestly i think its the other way around, you need intimate knowledge of everything in the key to do well

warrior is the nerdiest tank class in wow

[royal marten]

The irony

[pseudo crown]

you stack your defenses on stats like you're some path of exile player

[patent osprey]

and thats why they removed our spell block T_T

[frosty mango]

We can still fight

They may give it back

[pseudo crown]

honestly weird call imho, spell block was hard to use, so we're gonna remove it and leave prot with a huge defensive hole to cry about and come up a solution for us with

[south goblet]

big doubt, the amount of statements they have to walk back is to high for us to get it back at this point

[shut summit]

we noticed prot warriors had trouble with bleeds, so we removed spell block so they can have trouble with magic again as well

gl hf

[royal marten]

If you have problems with magic or bleeds, we'd rather you just play a dwarf - Blizz

[frosty mango]

imo we wont get it back, because they walked themselves into a corner with their logic

[pseudo crown]

spell block was already an optional spell, just do one of those talens where you either pick spellblock, or somekind of passive magic dmg mitigate, you'll know best when to use either

[shut summit]

ya where's the stone form potion like the shadow meld potion

[waxen cradle]

Honestly I just hate there whole mentality of why they "said" there removing it. Learning to use this ability is difficult so instead of telling people that they will are going to make it easier to use they feel just removing it is better

[frosty mango]

in order for them to walk it back they would need to admit that the issue wasn't actually the esoteric knowledge required but the power of the spell itself (which i highly suspect is the actual reason)

and they have shown repeatedly that they will double down in these situations

[waxen cradle]

There whole excuse for removing it is just lazy

[pseudo crown]

but then they have to take spell block from paladins as well

we were not alone with this ability

[tribal wharf]

when i played original 2004 wow, i was dwarf paladin, so i never had to worry about any type of debuff at all

only curses and hard debuffs which i needed bubble for

everything else, cleanse it away, on friends too

[royal marten]

Didn't Bitter immunity originally basically clear everything but magic debuffs?

[frosty mango]

almost certainly what happened is they were designing encounters, said "well we have to go look at all the stuff again and make sure its block/reflect is setup and not broken"

and someone said "yeah were tired of doing that just get rid of it"

[waxen cradle]

I think there reasoning is partially that if not also there too lazy to tune it to work properly so they removed it instead

[south goblet]

no, they would need to admit that there arbtrary application of when it was or wasnt usable was a bad idea and 100% on there failur in fight design. Which they will never admit to

[tribal wharf]

and it was so powerful, that i used it to great effect on rogue in TBC

stoneform

that and cloak of shadows , well, rogue has so many ways to avoid shit

[frosty mango]

I expect we'll get some form of compensation but I highly doubt spellblock is coming back

they would need to either admit defeat and maintain the status quo (they won't) or add the information to the dungeon journal/ui somehow to reconcile their stated problem and they probably won't

[south goblet]

looking at the current tree, theres nothing to solve sustained magic dmg now. So unless there gunna pull some new passive/spell out of there ass, were getting nothing

[waxen cradle]

As Roidberg said it was not too much work for the players as it was too much work for them to tune it to work each new tier/season so there laziness caught up with them and they removed it. However that is a good enough excuse righ there to take spell block from pallies too

[tribal wharf]

if you are going to get rid of spell block you have to give me condemn or blood lust, or im not coming back

simple as

[toxic pewter]

lol u guys still complaining about spell block I see

[tribal wharf]

again, those are lazy meme choices but yes

[toxic pewter]

Don’t worry they’ll buff spellbreaker

[tribal wharf]

ya, to 6% chance

[frosty mango]

were not dooming anymore

we're on the acceptance stage

[toxic pewter]

Nah will be 10-15% chance

[tribal wharf]

10-15% makes sense

[south goblet]

ahh yes, i love relying on RNG for if i live or not

[waxen cradle]

Nah now I am considering creating a petition to get spell block stripped from pallies. I want to taste salty delicious pally tears

[frosty mango]

no it doesnt

any random chance is idiotic because we're not dying to sustained spell damage we're dying to concentrated spell damage

we need agency

[tribal wharf]

well cuz, its gunna be what, we have more SW uptime, so doom blue armor?

(50% passive dr, green is 33% none is... none......)

[toxic pewter]

Meanwhile haven’t seen anyone talking about what they did to defensive stance

Literally butchered it

And now making us spend precious talents

[round cliff]

it's better now tho. ..

[toxic pewter]

Just to get back to where we are

Baseline it isn’t

[frosty mango]

yeah but its position in the tree is essentially manadatory

[tribal wharf]

it probably complicated but thats probably another lazy fix for it, regular shield block and if you keep it long enough you get "Greater shield block"

[toxic pewter]

Blizz should have just removed stances. Would of been the perfect time

Stances have been a great failure

True and utter failure

[south goblet]

D stance doesnt even matter, its not like we stance dance. Its just our base like protection now

[frosty mango]

they intend for us to stance dance

[toxic pewter]

Yeah that’s my point

If it doesn’t matter

[frosty mango]

which would be fine if they werent on the gcd

[toxic pewter]

Why even have it

[waxen cradle]

You dont want to give them that hill to stand on do you?

They will hold that over our heads

[round cliff]

stances aren't on the gcd

[south goblet]

Stance danceing hasnt been a thing since like what, pre dragonflight?

[toxic pewter]

They failed in their bringing back stances so hard. May be the worst failure of implementation of anything warrior related I think I’ve ever seen in wow history

[round cliff]

they're on a shared cd off gcd

[frosty mango]

they are on their shared cd w/e

[waxen cradle]

They will say that they knew better and stances should never have came back just to be petty

[toxic pewter]

They tried to make stances compelling

But they failed

[frosty mango]

if you could change them freely with no cd then stance dancing would be cool

I would also support a class design that supported weapon sets and stance dancing to difference skills

kind of like ripweaving

[south goblet]

lol how have they tried to make them compelling there has been 0 reason to change stance as prot for like 2 xpantions

[frosty mango]

change to battle stance, put on a 2 hander, get some 2h skills

[frosty wave]

Is it just me or is cinderbrew kinda the hardest dungeon for us ?

[nocturne spindle]

2h boss mode

[waxen cradle]

Oh I agree they failed no argument here, they will just say that we wanted them back as Warriors and hold that over our heads

[frosty wave]

I have SO MUCH struggle doing it in 14

bees one shot me

[frosty mango]

motherlode, floodgate prob the worst at high keys

[nocturne spindle]

uhh

[frosty wave]

IPA fucks me up

[nocturne spindle]

like final sting kills you?

[frosty mango]

thats a you problem not a cinderbrew problem

[toxic pewter]

Yeah it’s been pretty much a failure since the start of bringing them back. I’ve been on the front lines calling them a failure this entire time.

[nocturne spindle]

what

ipa does nothing to us

[frosty mango]

spellblock/spell reflect final sting

you also have shockwave for it

[frosty wave]

Hmm

[frosty mango]

it will do zero damage if played properly

[south goblet]

The only way im ever stance danceing as prot is if they bring back Glad stance

[frosty wave]

maybe i juste have to get gooder

[round cliff]

glad stance hype

[frosty mango]

I raid in battle stance

[nocturne spindle]

what are you dieing to on IPA?

[frosty mango]

until like oab

[shut summit]

don't worry the bleed on first boss priory is 7sec on ptr instead of the 10sec on live, we are saved

[frosty wave]

I didn't die to IPA actually i died to double pack before the boss with hobgobelin

[south goblet]

for what, 3% crit? lol

[shut summit]

and shield slam on the first mini-boss is blockable now xd

[nocturne spindle]

OH SHIT

i love priory now

🙂

[frosty mango]

yes? I mean 3% more crit I can use is better than 16% dr I don't need?

[nocturne spindle]

healer issue if your dieing to charge hits

[frosty mango]

nah

[nocturne spindle]

idk defensive on charges but it relaly shouldnt hit that much?

[frosty mango]

you can wall the hobgob charges

[nocturne spindle]

yea i know but its fun to say healer issue

[frosty mango]

and your group should be smart about aiming, on the double charge you dont wanna do them both short aim

you run one further out to spread the damage event so your healer can catch up

but if you shield wall youre not gonna die regardless

your group might but you arent

TLDR for warrior though if you are dying to any trash in a 14 it is almost certainly a play issue

unless like youre 645 and then it might be a gear issue

[south goblet]

this, your party will always die first uless you fk up

and you have to like RLY fk up

[frosty mango]

I tanked a 12 cinderbrew on my phone last night with a 645 healer and didnt take any damage so I mean the possibilities are endless

[nocturne spindle]

now they just need to make thunderpunch blockable

[frosty mango]

were living in 2035

[south goblet]

as in the last boss of flood gate?

[nocturne spindle]

yea

thats the only physical hit i can think of thats not blockable still

[south goblet]

why make iot blockable

you always have a CD for it

[nocturne spindle]

because its physical and its dumb that you cant

[south goblet]

its not like you take dmg from anything else in the fight

[nocturne spindle]

if were making the game easier and to not have to have esoteric knowledge for spell block you shouldnt have to know which physical hits arent blockable 🙂

[frosty mango]

because then wed need to know its blockable and thats info we cant possibly know therefore its forbidden

[south goblet]

i mean, sure they can make it blockable. but then they will double its dmg out put and fk the tanks that cant blokc

[nocturne spindle]

that sounds fair

but we cant have esoteric knowledge 🙂

[waxen cradle]

Nah based on that thought process they will release a new PTR buid next week that says SBlock is no longer a talent and passive

[south goblet]

ngl i go into every boss assuming tank buster isnt blockable

since most of the time thats the case

[waxen cradle]

But they would nerf SBlock by like 50% or more before they did it

I am still waiting for the spell reflect nerf. We were upset about spell block so they nerf spell reflect in response. Really hammer home how much they want us to suck at spell damage

[south goblet]

they could have made SB a 5 min CD and every prot war would still take it. Its the only option we have for sustaied MDR. If they wanted build diversity then give us another option insted of removing tools

[waxen cradle]

Like I said too much work for them better to just remove it

Work hard dumb easy do dum do dum yup

[south goblet]

yet they are dumping time into the prot tree rework in the name of "build diversity"

When we all know there will always be a best build overall with like 1 or 2 optional points

[waxen cradle]

Sure am glad we all were yelling for "build diversity" I mean where do they get these ideas of what we "want" from them

I got a old saying for Blizzard... you can want in 1 hand and shit in the other, they can let me know which fills up first

Funny how there idea of build diversity apparently means making us weaker as tanks

[mellow bridge]

yuge

[undone beacon]

back from an interview what did i miss

[waxen cradle]

Oh nothing we moved to the next stage of grieving for the removal of spell block. Were at acceptance now

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/do-not-speak-for-me-serious-gif-14501102

[waxen cradle]

I moved one stage ahead to the angry lash out stage I am considering setting up a petition to get pally spell block taken away too I want to taste pally tears

It will make my grief go away if there's is equal to mine in theory

Nah for real Sense found out we can block the shield slam on the first mini boss of priory I think were saved maybe

[nocturne spindle]

arent pallies already super downbad anyway

[waxen cradle]

Yeah but there pallys they deserve it

[undone beacon]

idk i think 4% chance to take 0% magic damage is cool and fun and epic and useful and cool so like

bam

[waxen cradle]

Yeah and the best part is the fact that we can't control when it procs so if were dead before it procs I sure am glad I had that talented

I also like how we have to spend talent points to gain back defensive gains that defensive stance used to give us baseline. Build diversity is awesomeness

That will be my new meme word for any time I die in retail WoW 11.2 from spell damage I can't survive anymore or what I will tell any warriors that aren't picked for M+.... DUDE "build diversity"

[solid sun]

No more talents

[waxen cradle]

I might even change my Warriors name to BuildDiversity if it will fit

maybe too long

[solid sun]

Some warriors already don't get picked, though

I don't get it

Are they not getting picked in m+ right now because of build diversity

[waxen cradle]

Good point

maybe

[solid sun]

Just don't play pwar next season if you don't like the changes and in the meantime make sure the feedback is posted on the forums :)

Might I introduce you in a shiny bear?

[round cliff]

2 characters too long

[undone beacon]

i hit thrash

i hit mangle

i hit thrash

[solid sun]

Hey Pash

Can I literally take swipe off my bars

[undone beacon]

Yes

Recommended if you're playing EC

[solid sun]

I was thinking about giving claw a try in some m+ today

Never tried it before

[undone beacon]

Still not worth hitting as DotC tbh

Like, in 5+ targets sure

I have two hopes for bear this patch cycle, make After the Wildfire usable and do anything with swipe

Hell, give Swipe the Devestator treatment and make it replace your auto attacks with a cleave auto

[solid sun]

Does EC press swipe at 5+

Or just dotc

[undone beacon]

Technically you swipe at 5+ but more commonly you still fill with Moonfire for beam cdr

It makes very little difference damage wise

[solid sun]

I think they should create a new bear skin that's just the Death Star

So you can really laser beam some mf's

[waxen cradle]

lmao

[undone beacon]

new bear skin

[solid sun]

You've been playing EC in keys haven't you

[undone beacon]

As most people do, yeah

[frosty mango]

Swipe is kinda unintuitive because you wanna press it to aoe

But you should press moonfire for tasty cdr

And I think the ec apl has you pressing swipe as well

[mighty valley]

swipe is a great button for transmog farming

[frosty mango]

Yeah apl does

Bc it has 27 swipe casts

[undone beacon]

Yeah the apl has it in there but like

in practice it doesnt do anything, does piss damage and has no hooks into the rest of your kit

It is as filler as filler gets

[frosty mango]

Warriors would never let our apl be so egregiously disrespected

[undone beacon]

Swipe should be able to proc Ravage for DotC, ez

[frosty mango]

Swipe should just be made arcane along with thrash

Problem solved

Instantly

But this is war channel we are only honorary bearbros

[undone beacon]

Make EC Swipe arcane and make DotC swipe have a chance to turn ravage on, easy

[frosty mango]

It really would make swipe used without breaking the spec

It’s not like Druid aoe is gonna be overpowered

Based Reddit

[undone beacon]

LMAO

[nocturne spindle]

man why the silly reddit people think spell block in raid is the important thing

[undone beacon]

silly reddit people in my phone

[mighty valley]

It’s reddit

[nocturne spindle]

acting like now were gonna die to a tank buster that happens once every 3 min

[frigid valley]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/213770533769052162/1331988958250532914/phydh.gif

[undone beacon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/213770533769052162/1352080217564250295/big2.gif?=&width=768&height=960

[frigid valley]

there it was, for some reason was gone from my favorites

[south goblet]

there was 3? bosses i can think of where without spell block prot war wasnt able to prog the raid boss

[lament zealot]

Does the new class tree really solve the issue of being locked into a specific set of talents for us? It didn't seem to for me.

[south goblet]

not rly as it is now, its going to pretty much be the same. One dominant path with like 1 or 2 optionals

maybe needed to have 4 or 5 builds if your doing m+ keys so you can tweak your MDR

but i would nt rly call that diversity

[frigid valley]

last stand being optional is best thing ever happened

[south goblet]

idk man, it still feels mandatory for keys, the number of times last stand has saved my ass when i had a crap healer is to damn high

[sudden lynx]

Hey, so I got a third cartel chip this week and I can either recraft my weapon to 681 ORRRR I can get hero track best-in-slots -- which one do you think is better? I know its good to sim it, but since I dont actually have any of the pieces of equipment, idk if its possible

And actually as a follow-up, how much do we even care about having best-in-slots

The weapon

[south goblet]

9/10 the higher iL is always better

[sudden lynx]

Alrighty I'm getting a trinket and recrafting my weapon then

Tbh kinda figured

[frosty mango]

well best in slots is a 2 hander so we dont care at all

[sudden lynx]

OH im dumb dumb

Must have gotten it mixed up with arms stuff

[frosty mango]

technically the mug zee fist is bis for pure single target but it does not outweight ilvl

[south goblet]

yea our wep iL= dmg = threat gen

[frosty mango]

for m+ any 684 ilvl 1 hander will be bis

[south goblet]

Shield iL = higher block value = less death

[frigid valley]

cries in no haste

[south goblet]

so its almost always better to take the iL boost over any stats on it

[undone beacon]

more or less, yeah

more primary stat is always the goal

[south goblet]

you can get like 50% haste on war with just rings, neck and general haste on armor

you dont need it on the wep

its nice, but not needed

[frigid valley]

yeah i know, i just prefer having the desired stat on the items so i can dabble around with recrafts and gems instead. easier life