protection

[soft dragon]

idk, i think i was a bit afraid durin the apply

i tried to not be That tank that die perma

but instead of that

did not much better

• did 0 dps 😄

[south goblet]

its fine, like most he high parseing tanks at this point in the season are built to parse high. Its a fairly different build. Yours is more akin to a prog build nad its fine

[soft dragon]

yeah but if u compare to my prog build, i was in colossus etc etc 😄

did shit that's it

anyway

thanks a lot

for ur healp boys

[frosty mango]

Don’t worry about your parse

Parsing high as a tank is almost always not doing mechanics

I usually aim for 85 on prog and then come back and optimize on farm

[soft dragon]

thats a good method

[frosty mango]

Being parse brained will hurt prog - for example on rik when the hunters are frothing the melee adds because aoe and not killing the ones 600 yards at range

So some enterprising melee warrior jumps out there and kills it

The hunters get a high parse, the warrior gets a bunch of down time

Who is the more valuable raider

[soft dragon]

warry for sure 😄

i mean there is always so stuff like that

[south goblet]

facts, your healing prase is arguably more valuable than your dps parse as a tank

[south zealot]

the answer is always me

im the goat

[frosty mango]

True and real

[soft dragon]

but i'm trying to optimize as best my dps in prog

[south zealot]

not even kind of relevant tbh

[frosty mango]

Nothing wrong with that at all, just saying don’t chase a 99 at the expense of all else

[south zealot]

healing parses don’t encourage good gameplay they encourage bad gameplay

[frosty mango]

Unless it’s a parse run then let em die

[daring narwhal]

your main prio as a tank is to not die, then dps as much as possible

[frosty mango]

I’m main heals most expansions and this is always my bane

This exp I ran lightweaver haste for Hpriest and did like half hps but no one ever died because you’re basically just full triaging all the time

We had 2 monks there was no need for echo of light

“Roidburg your healing sux wtf”

[dusky canopy]

“Yeah but did you see my damage!?”

[frosty mango]

Hps is a scam

Not a great indicator for good healer play beyond looking at effective hps during heal checks

Congrats you did 4m hps and let 5 people die you could have otherwise saved

[dusky canopy]

Healer log review:

• pressed cooldowns at assigned times consistently?
• ramp properly?
• damage dealt during downtime?

[south goblet]

you forgot the part where they jumped the most during the pull

[dusky canopy]

True true

[frosty mango]

I always look at players at sub 15-20% health and then events to see who is actively triaging

If there’s 3 people in death range and you are spamming prayer of healing/renewing mist/chain heal I will find you

And I will bench you

[south goblet]

but but but, i needed to the rest of the raid was at 95%

[frosty mango]

Shams are especially egregious with their mastery being insane value on triage

Like just healing surge the dude it’s one gcd

I’m back to CE raiding next tier so yall can hear me complain daily

I’ll try to vary my soapbox rant material

[lone crow]

So, i came back from a minor break, heard they are removing Spell blook and then i read this post, is blizzard flat out saying that we dont want players to learn and inprove anymore?

[vivid orchid]

basically their public excuse is applicable to a large number of other things in this game presently

so its a terrible one to say the least

block/spellblock/reflect are mechanics that have larger more deep issues with core gameplay than specifically anything with warriors

[lone crow]

so whats next, take away spell reflect next, what about pummle make that an auto thing on attacking right beacuse clearly as they state learning about their game and enemys apperantly is "bad game design urgh.. this makes me so mad and just shows now much they wanna keep building that wall between casual players and the top players. >.<

[urban bane]

yes and mythic raiding will give you all the achievements and gear you want for just stepping into the raid. it is true!

[tribal wharf]

"the muffler on your car was making too much noise, so we removed it. - pay 780$, your mechanic"

[lone crow]

that is such a perfect way to put it

[vivid orchid]

long term I think these core issues need looking at; however in the short term, the other 5 tanks gain a significant advantage as the game design is not done in a vaccum

and if they tune down encounters to better accomodate prot, then the other 5 are just better anyway

[south goblet]

its gunna be even worse if next raid has 1 or 2 bosses that do magic autos

[lone crow]

gonna be void shit you know there will be.

[frosty mango]

the irony of this logic

is it also applies to spell reflect

and it is not bad logic - it's true

[south goblet]

yea, realisticly we would need to hold boss for 30s and atm we dont have near enough MDR uptime to do that though a whole fight

[frosty mango]

but their action in response to logic makes no sense

[vivid orchid]

Krosus made me main swap years ago

[south goblet]

the better solution would be to idk, add mob skills to the dungeon journal and make it so they are flagged if skills like spell block work on them

[vivid orchid]

There's enough circumstantial evidence over the years that the issues surrounding these mechanics are purely one of design

Ie: why does a magic tank buster once every few years work purely on normal block

[south goblet]

oh its 100% design. the amount of random BS that is SR immune or SB immune is wack

when every descriptions point to it working

like the SR/SB excel sheet is the most valuble thing that this discord maintains

ngl ill be a little less upset about this if this make more tank bunster SRable

and actually reflects the dmg and not just makes it 0

[vivid orchid]

Yeah unfortunately they forcibly make SR unintuitive because it's be way op

But same goes for block as a whole

[south goblet]

it is, and yet they made it MORE mandatory to take

[vivid orchid]

Oh aye

[frigid valley]

that was one wild first run on warrior xD

[south goblet]

wtf happend on sprocket

[frigid valley]

leaped through the floor for some reason

[vivid orchid]

Classic

[south goblet]

and i asume you just missed every coin buff on one arm

[frigid valley]

na, im just fucking clueless on that fight as i didnt prog it on prev char

also havent been in a raid on warr since bloody hellfire citadel

was fun tho

[south goblet]

well this is the best season war has had in a bit. Also based on patch notes, not looking to great for next season

[warm plinth]

🍝 code

[tribal wharf]

reminder that this is what some of the general population that doesnt play pwar thinks of us

"just use SR bro"

"What kind of a news post is this? It reads more like a whiny forum post."

[frosty mango]

was I too harsh

[tribal wharf]

i think thats fair but critical

cuz you could just be like be and make a shitty video about "pwar bad hurr"

it made me so mad i cooked up a meme video with clown music and loose attempts to describe how awful tank in mmo can be

this one

[slender bison]

The last machinima elder

With D2 inventory. Ok grampa, let's get you your meds

[tribal wharf]

just, watch the video lol

[heavy sparrow]

looking at our wowhead,
so Tome is for single target and house of cards for mythics?

[frosty mango]

Tome is for both

House of cards at mythic would technically offer more burst dps than tome but the prolonged crit buff on tome plus the proc offers a considerable amount of sustained dps as well as parry

Most people run tome

[lone crow]

Ya know, i dont think this even is about players, i think this is just them trying to rat out from being forced to check how that 1 ability reacts with every new mob / boss they make..

[slender bison]

#protection message

Thanks for the validation

[frigid valley]

why not both tho? using tome doesnt put other trinket on cd and vice versa

thats atleast what ive been running

[frosty mango]

I believe hoc would trigger the 30s shared cd on tome no?

[frigid valley]

nop

[frosty mango]

But also because you would typically run pacemaker for crit stacking

I guess you could run both of you wanted

[frigid valley]

i guess, im at 35% crit anyways so i feel pretty good there

[frosty mango]

When I sim mine it shows hoc as lower than pace

[fickle tundra]

bro, what did you guys do to John Warcraft? He's out for blood with those changes.

[ionic yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[strong forum]

because it literally is 😄

its almost like its MY opinion being shared

[exotic basin]

First time prot warrior here. Trying to figure out what would best suit me to get geared up to clear 12s…. Kinda on the low end of the gear side and cannot for the life of me decide what to buy with dinars….. any suggestions? Strictly m+ oriented

[strong forum]

depends how much youre willing to raid

if you dont ever want to touch raid at all in the slightest

your goal should be to obtain tome of lights guidance and pacemaker on myth track then

[exotic basin]

Yeah I kinda wanna not raid. But if there are crazy items in heroic I should go for id do that

Ok dope

[strong forum]

bombsuit is kinda crazy~ish

from heroic gallywix

defensively speaking

and house of cards from one armed bandit is our best on-use trinket for dmg

(also a good defensive steroid for large pulls while its up)

[exotic basin]

Ok dope I actually got a hero track house of cards from the TW thing

I have low ilvl weapons. So I should prolly just farm gilded and make one lol

[vague abyss]

got damn it just read the wowhead article, so our spell block is going poof?

thats a huge, major nerf to our survival if we literally dont get anything for that

[strong forum]

yea

[lyric fern]

It would feel less insulting if we didn't get literal garbage as an "replacement"

At least hunker down seems ok but like... that other talent is something else

[vague abyss]

sigh, this is going to be it, next season is the season ill finally play prot paladin? 😦

[vivid orchid]

Unless things are tuned to challenge prot (rather than the other tanks), then it's just a gigantic nerf for little reason

[lyric fern]

plenty of time until next season

I'm not super worried

[vague abyss]

nah im done for this season basically, just went here to whine xD

[round cliff]

cute

[mighty valley]

you should all learn to enjoy being the black sheep tank, it helps you appreciate the good times better

[lyric fern]

also if I'm playing another tank next season it'll probably be brewmaster

shado pan tier set looks insane

[vague abyss]

idk, i didnt feel like i was being a black sheep, that title goes to the monk tank.
Maybe not meta, but damn i never felt i was the crutch when doing keys (did only to 14s though, probably there are better tanks like VDH later?)

also loved doing dps levels of damage to carry my guildies then taunting them for doing below tank damage :v

[mighty valley]

oh I’m more talking about next season

I played all of shadowlands without spell block, I can do it again

[vague abyss]

oh yeah..., i literally use a weakauras to shout when i get a successfull spell reflect with damage. Was awesome seeing the "Spell [Charged Shield] reflected for 12M+" in motherlode 😦

[tribal wharf]

i want that ability that was famous in legion for execute

[mighty valley]

we’re not losing spell reflect

[tribal wharf]

but toned down to 5 stacks of lesser effect or 3 stacks of greater effect

[vague abyss]

oh well thats at least not so bad, but still i will miss spell block for tankbusters 😦

imagine doing Queen Ansurek and eating the whole damage of Liquify* :x

[vivid orchid]

We have said ability now, and it's being changed to a perma 5 stack in effect

[mighty valley]

yeah, if the damage profile is similar to this season it’ll be a tough loss. still plenty of time for additional changes, we’ll see

[vivid orchid]

We just don't take it

[sleek orbit]

Hey has anyone actually tried the new Colossus tier set on PTR? (tbh I don't have a max level warrior rn)

I was reading the 4pc bonus and I was wondering if the increase to bleed damage affects ALL targets, or just the one that you Shield Slam

[restive oak]

spell block too knowledge depend, just make it 100% uptime at 50% effectiveness, lol

[solar sandal]

what are we using on the disc belt now that charged bolts got nerfed?

[tribal wharf]

so, this, it always hits 3?

must be the way it works, that seems okay,

im interested to see later on if it will be playable in keys in next expasion

that or we get bloodlust but that would be lazy and dumb apporach

[buoyant sparrow]

what are we taking for belt ability after the neft next week?

[jolly swift]

does sense have his mdt routes on keystone guru, cant find them

[arctic lagoon]

Being this is my first time tanking on my warrior in years. Essentially revenge and shield slam are the bread and butter and execute is just an afterthought so we dont rage starve?

[fossil wind]

never before have I been so thoroughly vindicated. my provocations fell on deaf ears unwilling to apprehend the situation as it stood last time we were subjected to injustice. you will remember that I asked the following: will you ever stand up for yourself? resoundingly, the answer was no. i was hounded by your meekest prevaricators who would, for their abusers alone, find any excuse and forgive any maltreatment. for their fellow victims, however, they could only muster the courage to be snide and cruel. if you feel that blizzard has not heard your concerns, you have only yourself to blame. the time to speak was yesterday and your next opportunity is never.

[proper spoke]

Shield Slam and Thunder Clap are the bread and butter. Revenge is only if you aren't pressing Shield Block/Ignore Pain, or if you get a free proc (where it doesn't cost rage). However, after geared up, I find myself not needing to press Ignore Pain much, as passive heals from my healer is usually more than enough to keep me up (with proper Shield Block usage still)

[cyan bronze]

Amen brother. Fight our fight.. ✊

[royal mist]

Switching back to prot warrior for mythic gally. Is there special tech for ego check. Or just spell block it?

683 BDK swap for my 681 warrior. Just haven’t played him much.

[dreamy crag]

Literally just ignore it, ahve SB up

[frosty mango]

I played this on ptr for quite a few runs

It does good damage, it just….feels bad

[cyan bronze]

what talents

[frosty mango]

The constant target swapping and sniping on top of trying to make room for demolish/shield slam without feeling like you’re missing out - to me felt kludgey

Like it didnt flow

To me that’s what I hope to get into feedback for ptr cycles - tuning can fix any damage woes but if it feels like ass to play and goes live it’s unlikely it gets fixed

[odd comet]

Need a tank trinket for my prot warrior have access to myth mud but only hero bombsuit I assume mud is the way to go?

[jade hazel]

:(im just getting into prot too lol

[odd comet]

Have myth tome already

[jagged gust]

1-2 targets Exe as a rage dump when you're not worried about IP

[frosty mango]

They have separate but overlapping use cases

[tribal wharf]

it always hits 2 or 3 targets though right

not just execute up to 3

[frosty mango]

Ilvl on mud is largely irrelevant on heroic vs myth, it’s the cdr that’s important

We generally use mud in priory and floodgate, bombsuit elsewhere

[tribal wharf]

even then, its 70% dmg, thats a really good amount

[frosty mango]

Bombsuit is the better overall trinket

[odd comet]

Ok cool good insight on ilvl not being the main factor

[frosty mango]

Yes

The damage felt fine it was the playstyle that felt bad

Especially as thane

[odd comet]

Priory easily gives me the most trouble I can’t live passed dail on a 15 to save my life

[tribal wharf]

so it feels bad how, like i can understand if you need rage sb

[frosty mango]

What’s your ilvl? This is almost certainly a play issue not a gear issue

[tribal wharf]

low dmg capability compared to something else

thats my un-informed assume

[frosty mango]

It doesn’t flow well when trying to fit execute into the rotation

[tribal wharf]

HR/rep but for execute

[odd comet]

679 but I’m super mastery heavy as I switching from fury

[tribal wharf]

you do execute, you get SB (provided you have it active)

[frosty mango]

Sudden death is fine but at low health you’re constantly target swapping and it doesn’t feel good to not press revenge

[odd comet]

But I also pug healers and still fresh new on prot for the most part

[frosty mango]

It’s counter intuitive

[tribal wharf]

oh, also condemn

condemn or lust or gtfo

[frosty mango]

If you post a log we can probably help.l but if you are dying at that ilvl key level it is definitely a play issue

[tribal wharf]

for the above high % hp

[frosty mango]

Secondary stats not relevant

You don’t need a defensive trinket to live there

[odd comet]

Yea next one I hop in I’ll get a lot from it I’d love the insight

[tribal wharf]

helps if we have a boss that we start the fight and it only goes to 80% hp

[odd comet]

I don’t want to trinket for that reason that’s just one giving me the most trouble

[tribal wharf]

and then we have boost for dmg on it, more threat

[frosty mango]

#protection message

[tribal wharf]

again, my 2 lazy fixes

[frosty mango]

Here’s a write up on dailcry specifically

[odd comet]

Nice. I do enjoy the helpfulness of this discord coming from blood dk I seem to not get very far with these type of questions

[frosty mango]

we're warriors, we're too stupid to be toxic and too dumb to ignore. We must zug, whether thats in the game or on discord

[frosty mango]

this is not true for colossus

[pallid quiver]

Shield Slam is your highest prio button, and after that, which hero talent you're running makes a few changes how you handle things.

As Thane, your prio pretty much always is Shield Slam > Thunder Clap/Blast > Revenge

As Colo, in larger aoe, you Shield Slam > Thunder Clap if rend not active/rage is low > Revenge, meaning you mostly spam revenge until Shield Slam is back
In ST as Colo, you'll probably be SS > TC > Revenge, tho

This is after chucking all CDs on CDs, by the way

So Ravager every time it's up, Demolish, Roar, Spear, whatever you have

[warm plinth]

I just read what that guy said

[pallid quiver]

As an aside, note that if playing properly, you'll be GCD locked

[arctic lagoon]

Thanks all for the input. I am getting the hang of it. Coming from mostly BDK tanking it is taking some getting used to. Learning when a good time to pop shield wall and when to save etc. Ilvl 652 and surviving well except for some large pulls here and there.

[round cliff]

man i wish i could play BDK

bdk has to play 4d chess to do what prot warr does by playing checkers

[odd comet]

lol I’m the same way honestly have my problems on prot Warrior are being addicted to hitting huge DPs instead of kuch tanking

[odd comet]

Yea switching from 0 mitigation on BDK to only mitigation on prot war has been a learning curve for surw

[round cliff]

is there any way for the first pull of motherlode to not turn into nameplate vomit

idgaf about all those partygoers

get off my screen

[arctic lagoon]

Im so used to just hitting death strike that not having that feels weird. Since most of the time im just blocking all the incoming damage outside of some magic if spell block is down etc. But we also take into account that shield charge adds shield block as to not waste a charge of shield block so you can keep it rolling. Had to make a WA that yells at me when shield block is expiring

[frosty mango]

For the most part you can just send shield block

It has a max duration of 3x so up to 24s

It’s hard to really mess it up, just try to make sure you’re not sending it as a pack is dying

[arctic lagoon]

Makes sense. I've only done up to an 8 as of now just to practice. Reading the changes im mostly happy except wtf is that 4% chance of mitigating magic. They're high on Crack at blizzard

[drowsy shale]

4% chance to not die wd

feeling lucky xD

[round cliff]

100% chance if ur not bad at game

just be lucky idiot

[drowsy shale]

wait boss hit you again you died anyway

BL

[arctic lagoon]

Like. No way they keep that in.

Cuz fuck me if so

[round cliff]

nah it doesnt make it to live

if it does, i will eat a sock live on cam in skyhold

yall can put a pin on this

hold me to it, cuz ill do it

cuz it wont happen

[drowsy shale]

kinda wana see it hit live now

[warm plinth]

Just mentioning myself rq so I can find this later... @warm plinth

[civic holly]

is there a specific channel to go to read about and whine about the new talent tree or is it all in this one?

[round cliff]

nah we whine here

[civic holly]

yo wtf

why is every point nerfed?

did the vdh's pay the devs to fuck us or something?

[round cliff]

prot war had to get sacrificed so arms war can be great

[civic holly]

does arms look great?

[round cliff]

the set bonuses are very nice for sure

tuning is tuning but they look good

[civic holly]

slayer?

[round cliff]

and colossus

[frosty mango]

Arms colo feels fun on ptr

Set bonuses mesh very well with m+

Not really much of a playstyle change if any

[civic holly]

so, were we scaling too hard or something with gear?

i see nerf to strenght, nerf to armor, nerf to stamina, nerf to revenge damage

[acoustic willow]

Is there a way to stop Demolish Channel?

[civic holly]

dw it will stop when the swirly kills you

[round cliff]

it'll also just stop.

sometimes.

for no good reason

[acoustic willow]

Yeah…. I learned that twice in M+ tonight

[civic holly]

i love it when im doing a demolish and i get knocked out of range of the mob and it ends

apparently only immune to some movement affects

[round cliff]

i love when i press demolish, the mob doesnt move, it does the first hit and cancels itself and i dont even get the buff

[civic holly]

your names so good btw

i want 10m mythic too

fuck this 20 man shit

[frosty mango]

No

[silk kiln]

Execute spam in st feels pretty satisfying

[oak ivy]

I quit the game mid season are we hyped or doom about the changes

/ is it worth coming back

[frosty mango]

No the sky is falling

[oak ivy]

[haughty ibex]

the rework is still raw though. things could change, but knowing blizzard, its going to be half-assed on release and then a patch half way through the season admitting they goofed but not nearly doing enough

[proper nova]

Is it true next raid is like all unblockable and prot warr will get rekt

[round pendant]

yea

if they want it to threaten other tanks then it's gonna absolutely destroy us

[nocturne spindle]

I swear leaping cancels demolish

[round pendant]

I swear there's a bug in visions

where demolish 3rd hit just doesn't do anything

glad I'm done with that shit

[slender bison]

https://x.com/kesslive/status/1936209384247542238?t=CoEtycZPaLniqXgpD4c8kw&s=19

Kesslive (@kesslive)

Priory changes so far
1st boss-no more red line spear, instead its a ground effect that seems to last a long time, creates overlaps that push you off the boss during aoe as well
Bleeds- durations are reduced throughout the key
Checkpoints-1st boss is new checkpoint, old one gone

X · Jun 20, 2025, 11:47 PM

[round pendant]

That's gross

[lusty grotto]

bleed change good

ground effect bad

[round pendant]

Yea

Can't wait for my team to pull random shit near the boss area

Depends how fast it fades ig

[lusty grotto]

eh

i guess yeah

its just blizzard loves their zone denials this expansion for some reason

[warm plinth]

The ToP minibosses make me want to fuckin scream

[lusty grotto]

how come

i mean you skip most of them anyway lmao

[warm plinth]

Not in my level of key 🤷 No point really

I skipped the last one once because my friend was on his lock and insisted but the other few times I've done it this season I just pressed W

[lusty grotto]

why do they make you scream

[warm plinth]

The space denial

it's annoying

[lusty grotto]

ah

lmao

did you do city of threads?

[warm plinth]

The one that does the swirly weapon things

[lusty grotto]

last season?

[warm plinth]

I think I did it once at like +4 or +6 or something

as healer

[lusty grotto]

yeah....

captain zone denial right there

[warm plinth]

Don't really remember it, but remember enough that I wasn't excited that it showed up on the list for S3

And Dawnbreaker can suck my ass

[lusty grotto]

fucking coaglamation

[warm plinth]

But hey we got 5, maybe 6 other good ones so I guess I'll take it

[lusty grotto]

i hate dawnbreaker only cause of the bugs at the start

also zone denial ara kara

[slender bison]

Why did they add ground effect at Dailcry in open space? Like to force us to kill one of the patrols to avoid ninja pulls?

[lusty grotto]

avonaxx and kikatal

[warm plinth]

Who knows

[lusty grotto]

honestly

[warm plinth]

Because puddles are fun of course!

😄

[lusty grotto]

this is very classic blizzard

add something that doesn't make any sense

i dont know whats so wrong about the line lmao

[slender bison]

Oh, ground pools + emberstorm, right. So left path again from day 1

[warm plinth]

kek

[lusty grotto]

ye

unless they change that mini boss

i mean nobody really did that side anyway besides the first week

weeks*

cause i did it for 2 weeks lmao

but now, there's negative incentive to go there

not 0, negative

[slender bison]

Right side ain't that bad in melee/Phys comp. The boss doesn't have snare anymore. We'll see if/what they change

[lusty grotto]

right side aint that bad now

after all the nerfs

[slender bison]

Let's be real - the real concern is undead paladin and paladin packs without spell block. Kinda with our pants down

[lusty grotto]

right

[slender bison]

We already got tier lists for tanks. Lmao.

[lusty grotto]

pretty on schedule

[sharp merlin]

Tier lists already? Chat.. are we doomed?

[past cobalt]

how's the Thane tier set feeling? can't quite tell from the descriptions, are the proc chances for each lightning bolts individually, or is it like a flat chance for all or nothing?

[drowsy shale]

sounds like you just become thor

[past cobalt]

more thor than before

[round cliff]

excited to be forced to play brm if they don't let us handle magic dmg

[chilly brook]

love keys

I go to gather all the flames with big boy in candle boss room, ele shaman pops ascendence on the mobs while I'm gathering the last couple stragglers he rips aggro and dies. I do the good old shockwave/aoe int. Pull lasts almost 2m. It's a wipe. 3600 MW tells me it's my fault because I didn't get the mobs to the pillar fast enough, even though I literally solo lock them out of casting that shit for another 20 seconds. Feral druid admits he didn't press damage CD because he didn't want to use it on that pack......

3600 MW in response to me saying that the pillar wasn't the problem: "respectfully at the minimum you should consider the experience that people are talking to you with" proceeds to tell me I need to learn this if I want to time the key at this level

jokes on him already have a 17 DFC timed

bro literally told me I can't lock their cast out

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-type-gif-24052524

[slender bison]

Let's face it - they were used to VDH and he forgot you don't have chains. Should have waited Los behind candle until you leap back

[chilly brook]

bro is clearly boosting his friends

couldn't possibly have been them it's obviously the tank

I had more kicks than the DH and feral combined even when you remove aoe kicks

[slender bison]

It's always the tank. Even if you do full 1st pull Rookery with the bird (which I avoid and swap to void crushers inside), someone doesn't kick the thunderer and he free casts. So it's the tank

With Stormbringer giga buff next season shamans will have their ego even further boosted

[sharp merlin]

HAHAH

[sharp gale]

There are certain type of m+ dudes who : idk how they are so bad at thinking with this score, I have the same in my guild / why I don’t want to tank in raid anymore btw

[vocal vessel]

Is this the first example of a single point talent being increased to 2?

[strong forum]

Uuuh I think armored to the teeth used to be only 1 point?

[frigid valley]

is BSV actually good or ? seems to be a bait

[strong forum]

All safety tools are bait if you have to make significant sacrifices to pick them up

But it's gotten progressively easier to pick BSV

Especially with the new tree

If youre not doing high end content, it can very easily be bait.

If you're not all that experienced or good, it's not as much bait

100% a personal thing

[cold tapir]

ED being a 2-talent pick makes me want to look to alternatives, maybe going for Bolster instead. Does lock me out from some good talents further down however, especially Shield Specialization. Curious how much impact that 16% block value has to my overall mitigation, will have to test

[round pendant]

I wish BSV was just a cheat death

proccing it doesn't mean you were gonna die

there's no way to know if I procced it and got value or if it was just pointless

[slender bison]

If it will proc at BigMomma/Dailcry/ Undead Braunpyke, then it means you were going to die and it saved your key. For the rest it just fixes mistakes

[round pendant]

Those mistakes aren't necessarily not fixed by other means though is my point

but yeah I agree

in those cases it's a bit more "well fuck" when it procs when you don't intend it to

Just give us a cheat death

[slender bison]

Depends, you will have to spend extra 33% more rage for Shield Block at high haste to maintain the same uptime, when you can use rage to just DPS or IP

They really want us to execute this season instead of "Rage 70 dump to IP or Revenge"

And block value is king, it's basically what makes the class work. There are few sources of block value other than shield ilvl

If you're looking for noob traps - see Armor specialization

6% armor yields less than a STR enchant and Armor 1% DR is meaningless in a 6/8 caster dungeon. A talent point to put somewhere else

[cold tapir]

I tried removing the live Shield spec talent (which is 24% block value), from my testing I blocked 11-12% less damage without it vs a mythic dungeon add. Still capped if crit blocking.

[slender bison]

12% Phys block damage is huge. It's like another defensive stance

In high keys it scaled even worse without that Block Value

[cold tapir]

Not quite, it's mitigating 48,23% vs mitigating 42,90% on a regular block, but I agree it's important and certainly not nothing

[slender bison]

I mean - you can keep it out for M8 if you enter with 684 shield, but later you need it. Maybe

Your hp will yoyo from missing Spell Block (RIP 2022-2025), not Phys damage

[cold tapir]

Oh don't get me started on spell block, they need to revert that removal

What's the alternative, 4% rng of negating spell dmg? c'mon

[slender bison]

10% extra MDR at Spell Reflect

[cold tapir]

Think we had that in legion too, except we had two charges of SR kek

[dense mango]

hi prots

how are yall enjoying ur 4%

[slender bison]

If tomorrow would be live, literally nobody would pick that other than test proc in resil keys.

We have +10% MDR SR and +8% MDR from Defensive Stance. We work with what we got from our lords

• we still got Mud and wait for other defensive trinkets sims

[frosty mango]

No shot I’m playing a defensive trinket in lower keys

I’ll riot

Unless it’s like rageheart, or dreadplate - bring back dreadplate

[jade hazel]

Today starts my prot warrior journey in keys. Never chatted in this channel, just wanna say thank y’all for the knowledge everyday. There’s people like me that just read and lurk and learn. Just wanted to say y’all are awesome 🫡

[warm plinth]

[proven stratus]

You'll become a real prot player once you queue pvp as prot

Shield Slamming warlocks for daring to hardcast in front of you

[sharp merlin]

If I grind Delve belt, it only applies the stats buffs to Delves only, right?

[warm plinth]

There's not really a grind. You do two delves and you get the belt. The talent tree only does anything inside the delves

[sharp merlin]

yeah

that's what I meant 😄

I'm not gonna equip the belt until they fix engineering

ain't no way I'm gathering mobs without that nitro boots

[warm plinth]

Can you imagine if they gave us an actual good speed potion again? RIP Skystep potion 😢

[frosty mango]

Hail silent man

[unborn dragon]

Rageheart is the best tank trinket we've had in a hot minute and I want it back so bad

[frosty mango]

Nah imo dreadplate gaming was s tier

Except for when it shot out of your ass that was not s tier

Can you imagine having dreadplate, twilight devastation, AND TOME?

[warm plinth]

It's none of your business what trinkets do with my ass

[frosty mango]

Brb changing my pants

[unborn dragon]

Tome + Rageheart would be peak imo

Like passive damage and then a massive on use shield? Sign me the fuck up

[warm vale]

i had to stop using tome in raid cause my cotank couldnt hold aggro on gallywix :(

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bF9PNLTGjFG.gif

[unborn dragon]

What kind of tank is he?

[frosty mango]

Treemouth splinter over rageheart imo

But we have bomb suit now which may be the best defensive trinket ever

[unborn dragon]

You're fired

[warm vale]

prot pally

[frosty mango]

Bomb suit is goated

But I still think dreadplate was better

[unborn dragon]

Nah what was the one trinket that let you also shield allies in dragonflight?

[frosty mango]

Also really enjoyed anvil

[strong forum]

Ward

That one was disgusting in s4 with 1min cd + mainstat budget

[unborn dragon]

Yeah I actually loved that thing

[strong forum]

Tank trinket wise dreadplates are a very good all-rounder

Rageheart was good to cheese and to recover

All-totem dmg monster

Signet and anvil dmg monster

Grieftorch dmg monster

Meanwhile now?

Yeah uh get a stat stick

[thick dust]

trinket from the nine

for sylvanas mythic was great too

and imo bombsuit now isawesome

[strong forum]

Fucking disgusting how blizzard just decided to kill trinkets that do things

[thick dust]

[warm plinth]

wdym this trinket fucks

[unborn dragon]

Now we get mud, seaforium, bomb suit, and tome tho and yeah them being mostly passive sucks but they're all solid

[warm plinth]

does all kinds of things

😉

[strong forum]

But then release 80% of the trinket pool being things that do things, but all of them fucking suck

Cuz not only is it's 33% nerfed

It's also extremely little dmg

[warm plinth]

I'm always curious how they design trinkets because there's gotta be virtually no thought put into it. They just luck out and get one that kicks ass at random.

[strong forum]

Mud being 2min cd, secondary stats and a smallish absorb doesn't really qualify imo

All the trinkets I named from DF has mainstat

Not some shitty secondary

Except rageheart*

And that one is also the worst of said list imo

[unborn dragon]

Nah it was great

[strong forum]

Idk didn't need it in 28-30s much

[warm plinth]

we weren't even using rageheart when it wasn't the only second option

in the dinar season

[strong forum]

I used dmg trinkets instead

[unborn dragon]

I was using it because rule of cool prevails sometimes

[frosty mango]

Man I forgot about all totem

[warm plinth]

I used it too, for the same reason XD

[strong forum]

I used it for 28 tyr dark heart for tree boss

Outside of that, nah man

[frosty mango]

The best defense is using two offensive trinkets because dead mobs do no damage

[warm vale]

what about scale from dos

[warm plinth]

same reason I'm using twilight dev right now

Gotta be cool

[strong forum]

Scale from DOS Was a meme

That thing did 2 IPs worth of absorbs

Actual meme

[frosty mango]

I just want dreadplates back

[warm vale]

lol it never dropped for me all of sl

[warm plinth]

Scale being released in the season where tanks couldn't actually tank is the biggest meme

[strong forum]

People fawned over scale cuz it was the only tank trinket

[frosty mango]

Dreadplate was top tier gaming - no questions because all the answers were dreadplate

[strong forum]

"I loved the snap threat"

[warm plinth]

[tribal wharf]

[strong forum]

So what is it now, a tank trinket or a dmg trinket, cuz it sucked at both

[warm plinth]

It was just burst damage we could put out before we had to run away 😏

[tribal wharf]

at least i wasnt totally forgotten and ignored

on that one

[strong forum]

Many people said that

[frosty mango]

I actually really like the design of tome - where you can control offense vs defense. And yeah it’s a little overtuned but I think that style of trinket could be engaging

[strong forum]

Tome is cool

Cuz it's a non-dogshit amount of stats and dmg

[warm plinth]

You know what one of my favorite trinkets was

[strong forum]

And the magic absorb can go crazy

[warm plinth]

Dragon Games Equipment

[frosty mango]

It brings an interesting gameplay mechanic and offers you an actual choice

[warm plinth]

Don't @ me

[tribal wharf]

i know it was only bad but i liked the organ

[unborn dragon]

I miss grieftorch. There was one raid where we were fuckin around and assigned people to be grieftorch ammo and made them kill themselves to reload it lol

[tribal wharf]

from that horrible slime dungeon

[warm plinth]

It sucked, but it was cool

[strong forum]

[frosty mango]

Well there’s not really a choice at lower keys but in high keys I’ve definitely gotten some huge mileage out of tome shield mode

[tribal wharf]

no, bigly no, to grieftorch

fuck that thing

i mean, yes

but bigly no

[warm plinth]

Grieftorch was easily the most visually satisfying trinket we've had

[frosty mango]

lol grieftorch is bis on tank to troll the raid bc you always live last

Just spamming the shit out of it on wipes and cackling maniacally at your dps and screen shotting details

Meaningless yes, but fun

[tribal wharf]

bacon was a total anomoly but i liked it

[unborn dragon]

Nah having our raid lead crash out and call people "Worthless fucking grieftorch munitions" is forever cemented in my mind

[tribal wharf]

i remember by the time dinars was in SLi tried all the trinkets and most of them sucked from the raid even dps ones

[warm plinth]

Every tier is pretty much that

[tribal wharf]

i was actively running leash, macroing it to my poor healer

for a while

[undone beacon]

just use the jailer rune trinket that actively fucked you over EZ

[warm plinth]

Except sometimes it's every trinket that sucks and you just use the ones that suck least

[frosty mango]

@undone beacon why is bear poop single

[frosty mango]

Can you go give some class feedback to make it better

[tribal wharf]

i do like this sort of thing a bit

[frosty mango]

I really don’t like those trinkets

[tribal wharf]

i do, alot

[undone beacon]

On it bb

[frosty mango]

Because if your pooper ally dies you’re basically wearing one trinket

[tribal wharf]

i had the BFA one from raid 2 the underwater one the purple link thingy

that was incredibly strong

[undone beacon]

I miss alltotem cuz I was being a shitter DF S4 and i didn’t have to think about it

Alltotem+Dreadplates GANG

[slim dove]

blizz has been scared of good/fun trinkets for a while

its a shame

[tribal wharf]

this was very broken for keys dmg

[undone beacon]

Also with the way the numbers are, it looks like raid crit statstick > pacemaker so, hoorah crit statsticks

[slim dove]

give me draught of souls tier nonsense

[frosty mango]

Nah they just said they didn’t want borrowed power and then proceeded to give us more borrowed power

But we also can’t have trinkets like that because of borrowed power

🤷

[tribal wharf]

and then this is the trinket from bfa i mention

[slim dove]

healers got Rashoks for 1 tier and are still paying for those sins

[undone beacon]

I’m just pleased all the raid trinkets next tier are dealing cosmic/arcane damage

Bear stocks

RISING

[tribal wharf]

this was i always had it macroed to healer, and i told them stay close to me when i do that, unless you want/need to break the link

and i could just use it as o shit button

good for like, the charge phase boss 2 underrot, or final of that

[undone beacon]

I think they should just add Arcanocrystal to the loot pool randomly every season, easy

[warm plinth]

Trinkets aren't borrowed power in that sense. But it is weird that they went from a no more borrowed power stance to here's some powered power in every season this expansion

Though I'd argue they did it in a much better (and thus, boring) way

Wait wait wait

So there's a jumping spider pet right

I wonder if it gets hit with the arachnophobia filter

It does indeed

[undone beacon]

thats messed up

turn him back

[warm plinth]

I did

[runic granite]

Where are the season 3 trinkets?

[undone beacon]

Dont know if theyre posted anywhere, I just was testing on PTR

[runic granite]

Oh ok

[fair beacon]

Heyo, just came back after a few days to wow and took a look at the PTR changes. Did they finally decide to remove protection warrior from the game? 🙂
wow, the development notes on their blanket nerfs are especially enlightening 😄

[frigid valley]

it's all about negotiation. blizz say " we removed", we get mad, they offer a counter offer later down the ptr cycle, we find it better than removal. boom everyones happy

[sweet summit]

idk i think spell block was as close to perfect as you can get

[mighty valley]

^^ this is literally what happened last patch cycle

[warm plinth]

3 to go!

[sweet summit]

[mighty valley]

lesssgooooooo

[warm plinth]

Just jumped from 9 to 12 on floodgate...idk why the guy invited me and my friend because our highest flood for both of us was 9

but my friend was top dps so worked out I guess

[fair beacon]

I notably enjoy how they decided to slightly modify everything we had on the must have list for the worse. Like usually when there is a dual choice node, they nerf the overwhelmingly popular one and buff the other so you can take either path. In the protection warrior's case, they took the novel approach of nerfing both sides into the floor and then moving it into your mandatory pathing because "who is going to be playing prot warr anyway" 😄

[frigid valley]

doomposting should be illegal

[sweet summit]

doomposting is what we're here for!!

[frigid valley]

or punished by castration

[undone beacon]

All we have is doomposting

[fair beacon]

too late, already got castrated 😄

[undone beacon]

All we know is doom

[sweet summit]

acceptable

[kind urchin]

It seems like they're moving us more towards less damage reduction and more self sustain. Reduced block value and armor. Increased bleed damage and absolutely cranked the healing from fueled by violence. At least in the current ptr build.

I will say though. The large number of dead end talents with the new layout is horrible.

[mighty valley]

I don’t really get everyone’s problem with dead end talents, that’s how they become optional

Some of the paths to get to them are awkward

Before everyone complained that our pathing was too tight and we had barely any meaningful options

[sharp merlin]

aww man, I loved just being a tank

[solid sun]

No more talents

[lilac widget]

yo guys

any of you using the bolts that are getting nerfed next week on belt?

[frosty mango]

Yeah that’s great until you realize fbv does jack shit against a boss because deep wounds doesn’t do much on one target

Staying alive on trash has never been and continues to not be a problem

[frosty mango]

Ill prob swap to haste

[haughty ibex]

IKR? Its like they wanted to kill more open build potential and we're like "if you want this one node, your gonna have to give up these 4 and a kidney"

[mighty valley]

what open build potential do we have on live right now

what are you all talking about

[cyan bronze]

how is tough as nails dmg now

worthless still?

[mighty valley]

we don’t have good data from hard content yet but ballpark looks like it’s back to 5% overall

but last I heard it’s not critting which they said it’s supposed to

[warm plinth]

And then there were two 😱

Priory was kinda scuffed. But still had a couple mins left

[frosty mango]

Yeah def wasn’t as of yesterday

You can search the logs I posted you can see it isn’t

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-cheer-dance-pokemon-gif-5092819632117081982

[sharp gale]

Are you talking about shield charge capstones ? Useless capstones, you wouldn’t play shield charge if you didn’t take the capstone, the issue with follow up capstones is that the talent linked will suck bc there is a capstone or two

[mighty valley]

nah people are complaining about the dangling talents on the side of the ptr tree

[warm plinth]

Are they? That's...weird.

[sharp gale]

Oh yeah, i thought it was Blizz removing last row, but yeah idk these people are weird, typical game consumer, want one thing that don’t really want

And 4 years after they will request to retrieve that thing, like borrowed power or grinds

[kind urchin]

I didn't see anything about them saying it's supposed to crit. The only thing I see is that it deals double damage on critical blocks.

[slender bison]

Probably better, no more ICD according to some sweatlords, but yet to be seen

Like that last stand tree is icky

And ThunderLord prob loses value or you'll use it in caster heavy damage

[chilly brook]

Yeah it’s like my guy, I interrupt all of them stop yapping lol

At first his words were “you’re not DH”

[jade hazel]

If someone even begins to say something remotely negative to me I just mute immediately

[chilly brook]

And I was like “you’re right my aoe interrupt is an actual interrupt and hits mobs further than sigil does”

[jade hazel]

Not worth it

Usually someone just projecting their shit life/play on you

[cyan bronze]

Yah

[chilly brook]

Then he started to say something stupid after he realized I could lock out the spell cast with “but you don’t have a boomie”

[sharp gale]

I leave the key if it gives me wanting to answer

[cyan bronze]

is not a feels good

[sharp gale]

It is insta leave the key for those ppl

[slender bison]

Dont get me started on M+ leaver status in S3

[sharp gale]

• ignore before I get messaged

[chilly brook]

Bricking keys is part of the life and I won’t pretend that I’m the greatest tank but man it’s so tilting on that end when it just was a whole bunch of stupid things that lead to the wipe that wasn’t even your fault and someone tries blaming you for something that wasn’t even the cause of the wipe

[sharp gale]

Leaving the key bc I’m tilted is my magic trick

I had a key holder shaman who pissed me off about something I don’t remember, I stay until last boss of rookery, we can time, he don’t bl, we all scream full caps during the 2 or 3 amp phases, when timer depleted few sec before we gonna kill the boss I jumped in the water +leave

[undone beacon]

Toxic but based

[frosty mango]

Yes but if you look at the log I shared, there is like 5k total variance in damage (53-57k) and I have like 30% critical blocks

So the math ain’t mathing

[sharp gale]

I don’t remember but he was cringe + you waste my time, you are toxic (im too idc)

[frosty mango]

You need the Roidburg tech

At even a hint of toxicity

“Tfti”

Right click leave

[lime urchin]

What does tfti mean

[frosty mango]

Thanks for the invite

[lime urchin]

And I recommend playing with frens instead of pugsies

M+ is not a pug format imo

[sharp gale]

My usual sequence is : I type « ? » and if the answer confirm me toxicity, I leave

[frosty mango]

I will usually stay if it’s someone else’s key and they aren’t being clowns

But if it’s their key, enjoy your 20 minute wait for another tank

[sharp gale]

Im more indulgent with key holders

About being bad at the game

Not with toxicity

[frosty mango]

Can you ||spoiler|| tag here?

Oh man

I’d love to share a real one a got a few weeks ago but I think it’s against the tos

Dude was very mad

[sharp gale]

I don’t remember tos things but I get usual insults like moron etc

[tribal wharf]

dragon class doesnt use a shield correct? or it can?

i remember at one point i was on the quest for the holy grail with shield mogs

i would probably try to run that a bunch for those and other mog drops off that boss when we can solo it, with relative ease

[cyan bronze]

i think they have weird mog stuff

blizz gave them a bunch of access to stuff, they can use an old cata lego or smth

might b similar to that

[chilly brook]

can't equip

and not in loot table

[nocturne spindle]

I'm gonna doom post and gear up my paladin again

Only other tank I like playing anyway

Is it just tier set that every likes on them in s3 or we're they getting other changes?

[frosty mango]

they let my bear in a 13 at 650

can we get frenzied regen on war

just replace ignore pain with frenzied regen

[urban portal]

Frenzied regen is impending victory

[rough egret]

😄

[nocturne spindle]

Macro impending and potion together

Basically the same thing

🙂

Impending + bsv is honestly huge by itself anyway

[frosty mango]

impending victory is a poor mans frenzied regen

give me actual rage to health

[tribal wharf]

its a poor mans deathstrike

dk's have envy of pwar right

pwar envy bdk for deathstrike

[nocturne spindle]

Naw

The only thing I want from dk is grip

But they losing the big one anyway

[urban portal]

Bro frenzie cost 10 rage and is on a 36s cd

It’s not rage to health

It’s just another cd

[frosty mango]

well incarn also makes it 0 cd

[urban portal]

What needs to be removed is last stand

[frosty mango]

they could make devastator baseline (needs to be)

dont think they'll remove last stand its been poop for like 4 expansions

[nocturne spindle]

Hey

It was cool for a while in df s2

[rancid sedge]

changed to prot a few days ago, trying to do rookery on high keys, and having some issues

[round cliff]

is there an easy way to handle bags when changing specs

[rancid sedge]

what comp should i aim for in this dugeon? or route
already play with resto shaman, retri + unholy looks good, what about balance because i cant find feral

[round cliff]

i dont want all my arms gear to be dumped into the first open slots in my bag when i switch specs

and vice versa

[rancid sedge]

use the equipment manager

[round cliff]

doesn't fix the bags problem tho

[rancid sedge]

reversed sort, or select specific bags for gear, or even choose the option to ignore bag x when sort items

[round cliff]

i use the consolidated bag!

[nocturne spindle]

Define high key for rookery?

And what's your route

[rancid sedge]

18s

[nocturne spindle]

It's honestly just one of the dungeons where prio comp is better

Two prio dps probably the better way to go regardless of comp

[frosty mango]

I'd personally play pwar/feral druid/rogue/mm/mistweaver

you get a bunch of aoe from yourself and the mm, feral has massive tunnel and rogue has great prio

mistweaver adds a lot of damage to your trash overall which is helpful and the phys buff is very efficient in that comp

you also get a bres and the druid has a heal cooldown

doing some more ptr testing today

looks like they fixed tough as nails

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2gQh8Z7bNFpTDtrj?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=1

[sharp gale]

You want some poison dispels with ara kara so might slot the rsham on that dungeon

[frosty mango]

when I get to high arakara I just bring all shaman

im shameless

[sharp gale]

1 pwar 4 sham yay

[frosty mango]

the entire dungeon is a joke anyway until that mechanic

[sharp gale]

It’s like the first trashs

[frosty mango]

both str trinkets look tasty

the nether prism stacks to 10-12 by the time its off cd so we can have like almost 60s of 25-40k strength

[tribal wharf]

me tank, know route, have weak aura

[frosty mango]

this is basically what I said

gave em the ol "trust me bro"

[tribal wharf]

u need to add some shit like "3k io on all tanks, multiple aotc and ksm"

[sharp gale]

How many dudes I took bc of funny note

When I did DfC 13 I took a mage bc his note was « racist », so we asked him a joke or he gets kicked

He was under me on the overall but it was worth it

[rancid sedge]

i already have a shamnan, so cant get a mw, tbh, its prob just this dugeon

can u share your route

[runic granite]

Is there a list of the drops from s3?

[frosty mango]

For rook I just do normal route, parasol skip the big void guy at the bottom in last boss room

It’s a pretty w key dungeon

[sharp merlin]

Until they forget what the big circle does

[mellow bridge]

how much haste is it again for itf

i forgor

[pallid quiver]

You can probably be fine around 30% haste from rating alone iirc

Particularly with current tier set giving more shield charges

[undone beacon]

~18k

[pallid quiver]

how close was i

[cyan bronze]

@chilly brook

is this you

[undone beacon]

No clue, %s are whack

[chilly brook]

yeah

[undone beacon]

Spotted in the wild

Exposed

[cyan bronze]

0/

[sharp gale]

Happy St Jean btw

Burning a witch on my side

[rancid sedge]

just break one again, 5:30 for last boss and fail

[nocturne spindle]

Moarrrr arcane mage

[rancid sedge]

i was trying with arcane mage, but they die to everthing,
is balance single strong?

is brew better to prot right now?

[nocturne spindle]

Naw balance single is ass

Which part are they dieing to?

Are you giving them a way to LOS the hallway stuff?

[frosty mango]

Comp is mostly irrelevant imo but 530 is loooooong for last boss

[nocturne spindle]

Also if you think arcane dies a lot

Balance has like 2 defensive

Lmao

[frosty mango]

Most of boomy d is baked into bear

But they refuse to shift

And so they die

[sweet summit]

Is it valid running Tough as Nails instead of Spell Block?

[frosty mango]

There’s a joke here….

[mighty valley]

better get used to it

[frosty mango]

Yes but wait until 11.2

[sweet summit]

Okay cause i hate spell block

I feel like its useless

[frosty mango]

So does blizzard

[mighty valley]

we’ve got some GREAT news for you then

[frosty mango]

I hope you have fireproof clothes

[sweet summit]

My clothes made of cotton

[frosty mango]

Good luck

[sweet summit]

When should i use it in keys?

[mighty valley]

it’s extremely strong and borderline required in some high keys but if you’re just farming sure, go nuts

[frosty mango]

Because that’s a hot take

[sweet summit]

Im running it, but im a 100% sure im not using it enough

[frosty mango]

There’s a spreadsheet in the pins that lists all blockable stuff

Though the fact you’re here asking I guess does prove blizzard kinda right in their logic (but their actual response to that logic is still dumb)

[sweet summit]

I use spell reflect

but not spell block

I had 18% uptime on my last dungeon

and i feel like thats too little

[frosty mango]

It’s a cooldown for specific scenarios it’s uptime % doesn’t matter

Using it effectively matters

In this case check the pins for the block/reflect spreadsheet to get a sense (huehue) of where to use it

[sharp gale]

Ye bosses with shield phases in a nutshell

[sweet summit]

Aight

So the spell reflect sheet is the same i should use for spell block

[chilly brook]

it has both blockable spells and reflectable ones in it so yea

[sweet summit]

Ah nice

thanks

[frosty mango]

Knowledge is power

[rancid sedge]

i did a bunch routes, https://threechest.io/?id=iVl1Q(BFWlD

ev en ones with inv skips etc, bird on first pull

[frosty mango]

At least for another like…2 months

[sweet summit]

I already feel 20% more powerful than i did 1 min ago

[sharp gale]

At the end it is your dps doing the job on the boss, with damage….

You have this one and last workshop

[frosty mango]

You said you’re on 18?

[rancid sedge]

yes

i just come back to the game

was just doing 12s for vault

i have brewmaster 680 too, and the war 680

maybe i should just gear a vdh, this season is a bit shit when dps start atking soo early

[frosty mango]

https://threechest.io?id=cewdkbs69ub

thats what I used on our 17 that bricked but because someone dcd at end

lust pull 1, pull 9, last boss

you can also do this if you have good healing

https://threechest.io?id=cewdkbs69ub

I prefer that route better but for some reason healers struggle with the bird in the first pull

[sweet summit]

I do this

like all the time

https://threechest.io?id=y3eqfprr6k

But im noob

so dont judge me

[frosty mango]

you can also combine pulls 2/3

2/3 combine in my route will be a big time save but it can be really rough if you're not on point with kicks

[rancid sedge]

what comps u guys play with? first boss take 4min in my trys

[sweet summit]

I always play with a disc priest, and arcane mage

rest i pug

cause im gigachad

[frosty mango]

you could also pull trash into first boss to help funnel

[frosty mango]

no parasol skip here eats some time, you can also combine 15 and 16 and should

[sweet summit]

Yea ill start doing that

[rancid sedge]

how long u take to kill first boss

and second was okay to do without dk?

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto

yo this chrono guy is badass

[sweet summit]

Lucky bro, you got him with the bug!

[dusky canopy]

apparently bug still works

I started like an hour ago

maybe 2

[sweet summit]

you just spam timewalking?

[dusky canopy]

yep

just today, logged into my level 11 min maxed timewalking toon

ran like 10 or so dungeons

and got it

[sweet summit]

dayum

[rancid sedge]

i do pug the 3 dps, so it make a little hard to do some pulls, like casters with boss, feel..... like people is just bad, 4-5 18s and still fail on kicks, dont even try

[sharp gale]

Im sorry tiktok link
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdU59nLW/
if someone don’t have the parasol smh

[sweet summit]

Thanks!

Thats very helpfulk

[sharp gale]

I would leap before trying to get the speed boost, just to be sure

[sweet summit]

Good idea

[lusty grotto]

gz

[stiff gate]

Having too much speed can sometimes make you hit the invisible wall too early and get funneled away and into the water as you fall

I’ve never failed it with no speed boost just making sure to jump right as I get to the edge. I’ve watched multiple people fail it with Tiger dash, roar, etc. so personally I think speed boosts are a trap

[frosty mango]

I was just told that I need to press ignore pain more to heal myself, and that i should keep it up all the time because its a 50% dr

guys have I been playing wrong this entire time?

[jagged gust]

I had a guy tell me to drop booming voice for disrupting shout

we all have a bit to learn from these veteran pugs

[frosty mango]

he really thought if I spammed ignore pain I'd take 50% less damage

i tried to explain but he told me to read the tooltip

[pallid quiver]

ah, the ignore pain is a 50% DR

the classic

you can't argue with people like that because they're illiterate

You should have done your part and sprayed them with the squirtbottle

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/ignorance-is-bliss-cypher-joe-pantoliano-the-matrix-oh-well-gif-22197092

[cerulean tusk]

Dont forget to go full mast/crit to minmax IP shield value

[round cliff]

am i supposed to use threechest or keystone.guru

[strong forum]

Infinite 50% DR

[pallid quiver]

i can't believe you've failed us

[round cliff]

why are capture cards so expensive

whats the shittiest cheapest one i can buy that wont blow up on me

[unkempt pier]

do we care about lining up offensive cds or is it better to just send them individually on cd

like ravager, demolish, thunderous roar, and avatar

[urban portal]

capture cards like for consoles?

those are decently cheap

[round cliff]

like $60-80 for the cheapest name brand ones

[tribal wharf]

the internal elgato 4k v2 get that

dont bother with older ver

the older model tends to brick

[urban portal]

there are really cheap ones on tiktok

that ive seen

[tribal wharf]

wont get into it but, also for retro, correct cables and correct working crt are, invaluable

for sega genesis there is like, 50-100 dollar cables for component, i have those for an example

[round cliff]

i dont need it for retro i need it for a switch 2

bog standard hdmi capture card

[mighty valley]

Send them all on the opener and they should generally line up anyway

Obv there’s some variance with demolish and avatar having cdr mechanics

You can wait a few seconds for avatar to be back up before sending other CDs but don’t wait so much you end up wasting a ton of time

[old juniper]

Definitely agree. I found a small Sony PVM and an Elgato for my wife to stream classic games. Nothing looks as good as the display they were meant for.

[rancid sedge]

@frosty mango what about POF 17, no more rookery for me this week

[tribal wharf]

i got a variety of crts but nothing professional grade and needs capping on almost all them

[long yarrow]

guys, what spell on belt are you using?

im cheking murlok and show me Spark Burs

for tank prot war

[jagged gust]

ST one this week, one of the stat ones next week after the adjustments

[high aspen]

my new favorite activity is to limit test prot warrior

if i was better at the spec maybe i live

[undone beacon]

why do u have 2 thunderclaps

[high aspen]

u got bigger fish to try

[undone beacon]

tis not an answer

[rugged root]

has any seen the hidden transmog drop? ive been checking the last 4 days and havent seen it

[haughty ibex]

I mean relatively speaking, I'd call the current tree a door that is slightly pushed ajar by a light breeze, ptr looks like latch is touching metal on the frame, slightly depressed, but not 100% shut, and there's a door stop preventing it from swinging back open by the wind

the fug u think i meant?

[fallow fern]

does anyone know if you can add a second socket to the new belt .. or just the one it comes with?

[ocean smelt]

Just the one

[sinful copper]

hey gamers. i used to have a weakaura that would show the remaining time in a key in a better way and also hide the objectives panel. anyone have something like that?

oops, it was an addon i think. not WA

[warm plinth]

https://wago.io/M+Timer

That's the one I've always used

I got told today that I was the worst tank someone had ever seen in that dungeon (was a 12 cinderbrew)

Made me feel really good

[nocturne spindle]

Shoulda pressed more whirlwind and slams duh

[jagged gust]

you probably weren't hamstringing the mobs enough

[drowsy shale]

just reassure him he will find another

[sinful copper]

just swap to another tank and queue for his next key and show him an even worse one

[narrow jay]

Had a 0% wipe to mythic one arm tonight in raid 😦 so close lol

[dapper summit]

Ok. Dudes, I'm sorry, I gotta ask. What the hell are those 11.2 patch notes?

I'm not trying to over react but I mean this just seems like a hate crime..?
Am I crazy? I'm crazy. Right?

[mighty valley]

“hate crime” seems like an absolutely insane phrase to use

like. that’s when people are murdered for their race or sexuality, right

[jagged gust]

Idk what you mean, our kit is looking hot

Arterial bleed stonks rising

[chilly brook]

We lose some damage and a defensive CD but we’re also probably gaining more self sustain if things stay the way they are so idk

Not worth crashing out over this early

Honestly they just need to modify spellbreaker. Have it keep the 4% chance to negate all damage but also give it something along the lines of “gain ability to block all magic damage at 25% effectiveness” or something

That’d be like just a flat 10% reduction across the board and up to 20% if you crit block

Don’t think it would be broken but it would certainly help us with sustained magic damage

[frosty mango]

“Golf scores”

I personally think deep wounds life is great

And I hope it stays

That just means we scale well

It’s good for fbv, it’s good for large pull size

Doesn’t really change colossus play much

All I could really ask for is 360 degree revenge

And spell block

[dapper summit]

Yeah definitely not crashing out. But I look at those patch notes, with no reference, and it just looks like Blizzard hates us.
(this is all in regard to my own personal understanding by simply glancing at the words on the screen, not something I would give to someone else as fact)
But, Armor being moved/possibly coming out to a lower value through the talent shuffle.
We seem to be losing a bit of our stamina buffs.
They're taking spell block and nerfing the 6% magic dmg reduction down to 4% through the talent.

If we struggle w/ magic damage, kinda seems like they're lookin to twist the knife.

Thanks for bein genuine w/ me I wasn't being frantic, just looking for conversation I guess haah
I don't think I have an accurate measure of the changes, not even close. Just.... at a glance... Yeesh.

[jagged gust]

It's -7% armor, -3% stam and -3% str, but gaining an extra 4% DR with unyielding stance, +25% to rend/deep wounds, a tier set that further buffs bleeds, arterial bleed values go up, FBV stonks go up

not to mention whirling blades

[chilly brook]

trade offs

I personally welcome some more meaningful self sustain

[summer mortar]

Morning guys, new to this disc. I'm wondering what is an acceptable/average amount of overall damage for a protection warrior during an m+ run?

[pallid quiver]

Depends on dungeon and even how much your DPS are doing

[summer mortar]

I'm ilvl 676 switch between Thane and colossus and usually do about 1.8bil by the end of the dung

[pallid quiver]

If they blast, you spend more of your damage time during CDs; if they do shit AOE but good ST, your numbers can be fluffed

[summer mortar]

Is it something I should be chasing or should I just forget about it?

[pallid quiver]

It's always better to do more damage than less, but there's a lot of situational factors that go in. On top of that, raw damage done isn't a sueful emtric

DPS is more useful

[summer mortar]

Alright, thanks. On a side note, what hero spec do you play in m+?

[unborn island]

If you care about damage, play colossus

(I play colossus) but really it's up to you

[frosty wave]

Thanks Yoda we're so back

[jagged pier]

He knows for sure after 3 days of testing and no tuning which is best

For sure

[frosty wave]

I like the info so it's true

[jagged pier]

[frosty wave]

And ofc tierlist are always reliable

[jagged pier]

Always

[frosty wave]

I mean

Archon tierlist is reliable

[autumn cape]

Hello, quick question about demolish in M+. Do you send it on CD or you wait for max stacks?

[jagged pier]

I mean after the first cast it should always be at max stack when it come soff cd anyway

[summer mortar]

Just further to that, do you always try and sync demolish up with avatar and demo shout or atleast 1?

Like should I hold off on casting until I can pop a damage buff with it?

[pallid quiver]

If you hold demolish, you're wasting CDR

Demolish has CDR when you have 10 stacks and would gain another stack

On top of that, Demolish gives you a damage dealt buff to the targets you hit with it

So unless you're literally like a global away from Avatar or something, you really should just send it on CD to maximize your number of uses

that's also why Demolish should be at max stacks by the time it comes off CD as well, by the way, since its CD is getting reduced by being at max stacks

[autumn cape]

Thanks for the insight!

[waxen quarry]

i cast shield wall for the avatar

[summer mortar]

Awesome thanks for advice all. I've been using shield wall to boost it too but I've not perfected rage management with Col yet so I've found myself in a couple of oh shit moments with block dropping and no shield walls to carry me

[frosty wave]

On cd
Like me going bonk

By the way
On demolish
Why am I getting pushed during winds of bee boss in brew ? Just asking 🙂

[sharp merlin]

Stonks on Prot warrior next season, investing heavily

[violet ginkgo]

Depend on if they can bring spellblock back. I heard some dungeons got really scary magic damage.

[jagged pier]

its not comming back

its okay, we get buffed through the roof when warriors cant do dawnbreaker because we dont have spell block

[sharp merlin]

We got enough, the self sustain might be a game changer, although I’m not happy cause I believe tanks should be just tanks, as in the skill expression comes before the consequential hit, not after, and yeah I love blood DK, but tanking should be about stopping dmg, not healing it off