protection

[undone beacon]

The BEARer of bear discord

[frosty mango]

I do frequent the monk world with Grxl

[cerulean tusk]

Happy is my complain about BDK discord

[frosty mango]

Until I am allowed to main warrior tank

[sharp gale]

I will not play bdk anymore I think

[frosty mango]

I must spin on my brother class

[undone beacon]

Honestly I might have to go bear full time next season just because our raid group cant hold a fucking druid

but sure as shit we have three warriors

[frosty mango]

This is a trap

[cerulean tusk]

This is like becoming the monk tank

[frosty mango]

I was priest and we said “we have 3 priests and zero warriors”

[sharp gale]

I might become druid, no joke, so I will be bearing all keys

Or healing

[cerulean tusk]

there is no going back after you trapped yourself

[frosty mango]

I go warrior and all the priests quit

[solid sun]

I legit might be a bear or brew next season.

[undone beacon]

I was the fourth hunter (and only survival) during Amirdrassil prog so I volunteered to sit in mage jail. Then all our hunters quit

[frosty mango]

So now I just am monk

[undone beacon]

But in mage jail I remained

Until I left that guild lol

[sharp gale]

My guild asked to find a dps : prio dh, rogue, boomie

[small steeple]

cauase Brew hasn't had a team at all in years lol

[solid sun]

Is the bear tier set good pash

[small steeple]

seems kinda mid rng

[undone beacon]

Honestly though I like bear (obviously) so how much of a trap is it

[sharp gale]

Bear is a mood I feel

[cerulean tusk]

Bear used to be my comfort food

[undone beacon]

It has potential for both trees. With consistent Ravages and more stats the DotC set is gonna rip, the Elunes Chosen set reduces lunar beam cooldown by a fucking mile since lunation has no icd which is neat

Hard to say if either will make it to live as is

But both are a strong start

[frosty mango]

The dotc one looks nuts

[undone beacon]

I want to see them make Swipe trigger Ravage on the DotC 2pc but

[frosty mango]

For st

Like legit may make bear a top contender in raid

[sharp gale]

Blow me

[small steeple]

how is it more consistent?

[cerulean tusk]

But - to bring up something I do like very much from the new talent tree for protwarrior. No ICD on our thorns

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure that’s true

[cerulean tusk]

Gonna be great fun, watch 0.5sec AA swings bounce themselves to death

10 of em?

that is a lot of swings

[sharp gale]

Infinite threat talent 👍

[cerulean tusk]

boing boing boing

[frosty mango]

I couldn’t log it yet - I know for sure it’s bugged on the double crit block damage but the incidence of it did not seem like the icd was removed

[small steeple]

might be bugged from the testing roid did

[cerulean tusk]

ICD not removed?

ICD NOT REMOVED?!

[karmic plinth]

they intentionally said in the bluepost they will remove it

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/oiia-cat-gif-14934872872258635476

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[frosty mango]

Yeah they also said a bunch of stuff about spellblock lol

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-cat-wizard-magic-cat-cat-gun-wizard-cat-gun-gif-148393908921163254

[undone beacon]

More haste and attack speed modifiers = average 1 ravage every 10 seconds from testing = turbo tier set buff uptime = big dammies

[cerulean tusk]

I dont give a fuck

remove ICD

NOW

[frosty mango]

I’m sure they will fix it lol

[slender bison]

Damn, feedback bros saving the day

[cerulean tusk]

IT WAS MY ONLY RAY OF SUNSHINE THIS WHOLE FUCKING PATCH

[small steeple]

but bigger more common lunar beams from EC is kinda crazy. Lunar beam is already a lil bit cracked

[cerulean tusk]

GIVE ME MY ICD

[solid sun]

Hey Pash does mf still crank if you’re a dotc Druid

[frosty mango]

Lunar beam is great till you realize

You can’t move it

So some dumb mech pulls you out of it

[undone beacon]

For M+, absolutely. The problem is Elunes Chosen is turbo dog in ST and this doesnt fix that

[frosty mango]

7m dps trash, 7k dps boss

[undone beacon]

Still cranks, just less

[undone beacon]

This is the way

Weeps in Gushing Wound

[small steeple]

30% mastery is just so crazy. The ehp alone is insane, then the healing, and then the damage? on 1m cd? wowzers

[frosty mango]

It’s way less than 1m

[small steeple]

exactly

[undone beacon]

I've gotten it down to ~15 seconds on ptr with tier LMAO

[solid sun]

So I can mozy around as a dotc bear and mf stuff and they’ll mostly stick to me as I gather?

[undone beacon]

And thats with tier being bugged and sending starsurges at allies so it doesnt trigger the cdr

[undone beacon]

Yep. Thrash is great like that

Keeps everying on ya

so you can moonfire away

Gathering on bear is ez mode and I love it

[solid sun]

That sounds so much more convenient than pinballing around on warrior

[undone beacon]

I hope they do a few bear tweaks this patch cycle but like, if they leave bear alone and give us a baller tier set then we j chillin

The one thing they changed was giving us a talent for 5% more movespeed

[ionic nimbus]

ST as bear feels like you still playing an old expansion…

[undone beacon]

The real question is what is this and how is it ok

[slender bison]

The new meld potion is gonna be sweet in my Mythic 7 key Eco Dome

[ionic nimbus]

The problem for ppal is, that set does not help with the weak spots as ppal. If they don’t buff the survivalbility, state of ppal won’t change

[frosty mango]

I ripped the exp 33 esquie “I am speeeeed” sound and weakauraed it to dash and stamp roar

[ionic nimbus]

Pugtank is pressing wrong potion during big pull

[frosty mango]

Living my best life

[jagged pier]

No, it will now be a require ment in 10 pug keys

Thats a trash change

[frosty mango]

+10 no meld enjoyers

[jagged pier]

Good for high keys, tho u loose a pot use

[cerulean tusk]

Jakey, tell the devs to fix the ICD still being on for spikypointyouch

[slender bison]

TWW: Season of Dwarves (With Meld Potions)

At least we had the nelf slutmogs

[jagged pier]

I wouod but i have no influence or way of talking to them expect the forums

[cerulean tusk]

Scream at em for me

I will join in

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[frosty mango]

If you drive to their hq and yell they may listen

Make sure to use the words “do you know who the fuck I am?”

[jagged pier]

I would have to take a plane first and really am not that rich

[cerulean tusk]

Lets hire in a buss, buss a bunch of us over there, raise our shields and plaques going:
"FIX YOUR SHIT, OR WE TANK YOUR HQ"
Anyone got a tank to drive up there, by per chance?

[undone beacon]

I take 1min stampede just so i can zip and zoom around

[frosty mango]

You gotta relax on the revolution stuff man we already met our French quota with @sharp gale

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, it is time to throw the servers into the harbour!

[undone beacon]

Honestly the spec that wins the most with these tier bonuses is Frostfire Mages because FUCK thats cool and thematic

[sharp gale]

I saw evoker one has cool look

[small steeple]

please use the blue post, the data mine ones are misssing some words

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-the-war-within-season-3-class-sets/577477

also why is that eu forum? lol

[undone beacon]

this guy is trying to get me to use the eu forms

what a bait smh

[small steeple]

...

[undone beacon]

I'll pull the blue posts though, didnt realize datamine was inaccurate

[small steeple]

just a few words and abilities just missing that look wierd

like Lighsmith one for prot pally is borked on datamine

[lofty warren]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/protection-warrior-development-notes-for-patch-11-2-ptr-377361

Does this mean there will be different bis talents that vary by dungeon?

[cerulean tusk]

Maybe, it will all depend if we can survive the high end content or not

low-mid end it doesnt matter what you do either way

[toxic gyro]

Nice we’ll get trucked by magic harder and nothing new for dots/bleeds.

[grizzled nova]

Yes.

Removing a mandatory defensive to survive content and replacing it with a 4% chance to survive content is not good.

[slender bison]

KeyBreaker will technically be good for magic dots as you have more instances for the casino. If you survive the upfront magical tank buster from bosses

Like today BigMomma you need 2 Spell blocks for the Electrocrush initial hit in the whole fight to feel consistent without screaming at the healer. Now there's an empty space in that fight where you're feeling with your pants down

And hope the casino saves you

[round pendant]

a 4% chance to ignore 100% of damage is simply a 4% passive mitigation over the long term

sure it could save you from a big hit but since it's unreliable it's useless

imo

it's dog

[loud shard]

Just get the 4% slot machine everytime you need it

[round pendant]

TRUE

[loud shard]

Give prot roll the bones for magic defense

[slender bison]

That's not how it works. M+ is about consistency with CD management. If it procs with Shield Wall up, it's worthless

[ionic nimbus]

There is no case of usage for this talent

[round pendant]

That is literally how it works

[ionic nimbus]

Coping is no option

Using SW and getting a procc is shit, cause you wasted SW

Even 1% on SR would be better …

[round pendant]

1/25 ticks of a dot that kills you in 5-10 ticks will be prevented

useful!

[toxic gyro]

Yea can’t wait for bolts destroying me in m+ again along frequent magic attacks like rixa in ml

[loud shard]

Just get an external from your healer

Damage mitigated guys

[slender bison]

You need CDs at key moments in a dungeon. We've lost agency on our CD management and thrown to the casino. Yes, we'll pick the 10% SR thing, but it's still silly to have a new talent which nobody picks from day 1

[grizzled nova]

This is the most upsetting part, honestly, that someone responsible for making changes to classes does not inherently understand that this talent is as pointless as it is bad.

[ionic nimbus]

None who plays a tank Specc would bring a talent like this

[slender bison]

"Dude, how did you time that Priory ? Sick healer? Oh no man, my KeyBreaker procd at the undead paladin 🤓 "

[grizzled nova]

Like maybe as an early travel node that takes you to the actual defensive talent?

But the talent being at the end of the column? The thing you need to take travel nodes to get to?

Guh, senseless game design

[slender bison]

Again, it's day 1 of patch notes. At least Colossus demolish 4p makes us a BDK for 16 seconds ☠️

[fading dirge]

Can you upload this to WAGO lol

[undone beacon]

plz

[frosty mango]

Won’t work without the sound

[undone beacon]

dm the soundfile ez

[ocean smelt]

Yeah about that

Why the fuck does the Colossus bonus sound so much stronger than the Thane bonus when Colossus is already meta -_-

[slender bison]

Depends if Thane zap-zap have IC or not. If you get TB spam, then its not so bad. Thane has more IP at disposal, so it would trade survivability via IP instead of FvB and do more zap-zap damage. In theory

The problem is Colossus has ShieldSlam synergy, and Thane is just ... zap-zap

[toxic gyro]

Tier sets will get tuned. If thane falls far behind it will get a bone or two.

[sharp gale]

I developed conspiracy theories in those things like doggos complicated embellishments or those weird talent

That’s it is new dudes who is trained to implement stuff

[slender bison]

But Thane has more rage for Exec, but again - as Roidberg said - in M+ the 35% to 0% range window is small, since DPS has giga damage in that window, so you're kinda late as a tank to the party to rely on Execute. TBD

[nocturne spindle]

With new Colossus set bonus I could hold like 6.5 mil on 5 target

It's juicey

[slender bison]

I have 6 mil on Thane in Floodgate first pull in S2. So you need to get those numbers up.

[nocturne spindle]

I mean

Giga pull with lus I can get way higher now lmao

But thats a terrible comparison

[slender bison]

Wait, aren't you on PTR with like 700 ilvl?

[sharp gale]

Yes you are if : you buy the gear

You are 710 ish

[nocturne spindle]

I just bought the set

So "only" like 700 ish

[sharp gale]

You have a 710 shield and 723 trinkets

[slender bison]

Super curious on HPS for FbV + Colossus 4p + Bloodborne

[sharp gale]

Bloodborne choice node with Sudden death is really annoying

But I get it, it is choice

Can we pray for the loss of juggernaut

[slender bison]

We havent used Bloodborne since DF S1, so it was a needed change

Having a hefty ammount of dead talents for 2 expacs in a row is kinda cringe and shows weird game design choices or desinterest from class designers

[sharp gale]

But I can see 2 different builds with the choice node Bloodborne/ SD

So tuning will matter if we have choice as they state

Spear is definitely dead for colossus I suppose

[frosty mango]

We didn’t really lose it

They just made it not dumb

[sharp gale]

Yes it’s the new 15% talent

[frosty mango]

Really need a new monk talent named chuggernaut

[sharp gale]

I prefer jug tbf

[frosty mango]

Ok back to the port

Ptr

[sharp gale]

Since there is me playing for jug being good

[frosty mango]

Assuming dungeon finder is working trying to test thane execute

[round pendant]

I hate jug

glad it's gone

[sharp gale]

I do prefer 5 stack jug tho

But I liked having to min max SD

[sharp gale]

I did a nm dungeon but things died too quick

Like 3 gcd everything dead

24th there will be m+

[slender bison]

Curious on TB/Lightning strikes/Execute ratio. I assume you cast Revenge during TC/TB downtime or until Exe is up.

For SS resets

[sharp gale]

I have frame issues on dummies I just want to test the set proc chance

[slender bison]

Need AoE dummies. Forgot where we had them. Valdraken?

[sharp gale]

I will go to SW but logged off, I had to go

[frosty mango]

this is a solo pull in a heroic

with 4pc

thane exe

ionizing strike procced a reasonable amount but damage is rough

[keen vine]

0.8% yikes

[frosty mango]

its all tuning

the execute spam feels bad to me at the end, you have clap, execute, shield slam, revenge procs

too many buttons to press and it will ultimately come down to tuning which ones we do press, but anecdotally to me it feels jumbled

[keen vine]

did you also spec in Heavy Handed/Masacre or is it just SD

[cinder marsh]

is the one button rotation actually good?

[sharp gale]

It is rly good on some specs yes

[cinder marsh]

i thought it would be horrible with the -25 speed

[sharp gale]

Tettles did 17s 18s on his boomie and he was first dps

[keen vine]

tettles parsed 1st on a 17 ml on boomkin so it must be good for some specs

[sharp gale]

With the button + auto hotkey

[frosty mango]

Uh i dunno if thats entirely accurate

it definitely performed well but the other two dps were also gray parsers which means starfall was getting tons of uptime and inflating his dps

[violet ginkgo]

Felt like the purpose is only to give you extra thunderblast, that thunderblast is the one dealing damage. 0.8% is just too low indeed.

[brittle fulcrum]

that wasnt the default 1 button, it was with hekili and without the reduce GCD

[frosty mango]

its clearly doing well for boomy but the clickbaity "top dps" claim is nebulous

[cinder marsh]

pls tell me fury warr does good with this feature

[keen vine]

it was the 1 button

[sharp gale]

Idk for fury I didn’t play a lot this week

I did 2 delves and logged off, into another game

[brittle fulcrum]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/one-button-hekili-rotation-weakaura-discovered-and-now-fixed-377358

[cinder marsh]

delves are boring

[sharp gale]

I will 1 button the first boss in mythic tonight

[slender bison]

Instigate into Massacre or were you rage starved?

But interesting Exe is now 2nd DMG

[frosty mango]

no I literally cannot spend enough rage

colo still feels way better

bleeds cook with tier set

[sharp gale]

At least roar capstone will not feel bad

[slender bison]

[keen vine]

thank god its not cs season

[slender bison]

Not the best dungeon for deep wounds, prob floodgate/brew would go off the charts

[sharp gale]

Not the best difficulty too

[frosty mango]

I mean I can try first cinder pull on heroic

[frosty mango]

im just doing solo in heroic

[sharp gale]

Yes ik just like execute doesn’t last very long i guess

[frosty mango]

im alone so its a fairly good proxy imo

to a reg pull

combat time 85s

[slender bison]

Yeah, they don't know what to do with Thane in S3. Exe with Thunder Blast procs is weird. No Shield Slam synergies

[sharp gale]

They 100% know what to do, thane is the raid execute build goal

[slender bison]

M+ to raid ratio player subs is insane, can't do a raid targeted spec

They need to fix Thane for 5group

To feel good

[sharp gale]

They do raid tuning

Not lot of m+ tuning

[frosty wave]

Quick question, i've been checking the logs of prot warrior on thane spec.
They usually cast around 350 IP per key, which I've been spamming with mouse wheel BUT I feel like i'm cutting off a lot of DPS, in a 13 i'm around 1.8m overall, up until 2mil
Idk if I should cast less or keep doing this ?

[frosty mango]

thats first pull of cinder in thane

[frosty mango]

you will cast IP to dump rage

[frosty wave]

So IP as a prio and not revenge

[frosty mango]

not exactly

[frosty wave]

Because you can dump rage on IP

[frosty mango]

you will generate way more rage than you can fit into gcds with revenge

and IP is not on the global

[frosty wave]

and when i dump rage, rage is back up quickly so I feel like i'm casting IP permanently and not enought revenge

[frosty mango]

so yes you revenge but you also IP to not overcap

IP is not on global you can cast it with other skills

colo doesnt have this issue because your rage gen is lower but you still IP fairly often

[sharp gale]

If you have thunderclap or shield slam available you don’t revenge

As thane

[frosty wave]

Which is pretty much all the time

[frosty wave]

I don't like demolish, feels weird

[frosty mango]

SS > clap/blast > revenge + IP when you are in rage overcap range

you will find there isnt much room for revenge

given how much shield slam you have

[sharp gale]

Basically if thunderclap don’t reset SS

[frosty mango]

pretty sure the warrior community at large might beat you for this statement lol

[sharp gale]

I don’t like the cone part of demolish

But overall I like the button

[violet ginkgo]

Oh wait Roid... how is the feel of not having spellblock?

[frosty wave]

PSF 13

[frosty wave]

Not being able to move is meh for me

[frosty wave]

I feel nostalgic of BFA warrior during clap era

[sharp gale]

Clap era ended 5 months ago

[frosty wave]

400 shield slam

[frosty mango]

thats cinder colo with tier

also of note way more dps

[frosty wave]

How do you mitig ?

[frosty mango]

as colo?

[cerulean tusk]

Demolish on top makes me happy

[sharp gale]

I am Happy

[cerulean tusk]

Hey, you back to actually being Happy

[frosty mango]

it feels kinda strong comparatively

[frosty wave]

Yes

[frosty mango]

tuning will prob change

brv also feels incredible

[sharp gale]

Yes I noticed it was not corruptions mood anymore

[cerulean tusk]

Time to name yourself: FixICDnow!

[sharp gale]

I will become 100k on Thane S3 in few days

[frosty mango]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9tn1zxphPH3mBf68 heres the two pulls for cinder

first is thane, second is colo

and tbh i am not sure I am playing thane optimally yet

[keen leaf]

how could u possibly fuck thane up

lol

[sharp gale]

The only min max beside prio rotation of thane is to use thunderblasts charges before avatar

[frosty mango]

because ptr came out yesterday with an entire new talent tree and we have no idea what is optimal yet given the new execute talents?

[sharp gale]

And do the 2 TB 2 shield slam mini thing

[frosty mango]

I also dont have an outburst tracker

so im prob losing some damage there

[undone beacon]

The new tier set also can proc more thunder blasts so more potential munching if not blasting

[frosty wave]

I'll try colo on 11/12 to see how it's played

if it's slower maybe i'll like it more, less APM lol

[sharp gale]

Blast can have higher prio than Shield slam on a certain tuning

[lofty warren]

Pwar stonks up or down given 11.2 changes m+?

[sharp gale]

Can’t do keys on ptr

So idk

[cerulean tusk]

Down, probably. But, up for low-high content

high end tho, not looking good

[frosty mango]

were early

give feedback

especially about spell block

[slender bison]

*block

[frosty mango]

everything always comes down to two things

tuning
play feel

if something is tuned well but feels like ass to play, that sucks

if something feels great but is tuned like ass thats less bad but still sucks

[sharp gale]

I’ll wait 24th bc I can’t feel on dummies

[slender bison]

Like this season as MT I had a blast. Now I have Exe procs to worry about? Now SS reset? Now TB? Oh? Revenge? Feels like whack-a-mole mage/shaman

[frosty mango]

its important to test and give feedback

[lofty warren]

In general they removed spell block and give nothing to mitigate spell in return?

[cerulean tusk]

I gave up on giving feedback, when all the bugs I keep reporting and all the imbalances, just go through either way.

[sharp gale]

They gave more DR here and there

[slender bison]

8% MDR with 2 talents and the casino Keybreaker talent OR 10% MDR to SpellReflect

[frosty mango]

it is still worth it

[cerulean tusk]

Not to me it aint

[frosty mango]

feedback goes directly to class design cycle, you get to skip all of the red tape

[cerulean tusk]

100% effort, 0% reward = nothing gained, everything lost

[slender bison]

For upfront damage, but they giga boosted FbV/bleed healing, so HP might yoyo less as Colossus during Demolish windows

[sharp gale]

And mood lost

[frosty mango]

FWIW colo felt way tankier

colo

thane exe

but thats probably a symptom of me hammering execute and not ip

[round pendant]

my proposed solution

spell reflect becomes 8s instead with that talent

along with 10% more

and they should also add less fuck-you magic damage to content

[violet ginkgo]

So how is the feeling of not having spellblock again? is it like really dangerous or?

[frosty mango]

cant really test that yet

[slender bison]

Dude is doing heroics for "feel" check-in

[frosty mango]

Literally just doing solo heroic pull to see how play feels, how things appear to be balanced at first pass

just a means to generate feedback

once m+ testing opens up we can test things like tankiness, loss of spell block, etc

[undone beacon]

yeah but where does prot rank on the tier list

4hed

[heavy sparrow]

Too early to tell

[granite pond]

In terms of specs that do physical damage and start with the letter W...I'd give it a three coconuts out of four.

[undone beacon]

lol i know that im being a shitter bb

i thought the 4hed would give it away smh

[granite pond]

4hed was removed from prot in the patch notes

[undone beacon]

We're at least W tier

[slender bison]

Even if tiers are shit, remember that before turbo boost this season, to reach 14s you REALLY had to have patience as prot warr vs VDH queues (sure, EU servers less keys available). So we need to either come with good damage this season or compensate magic damage squishy (6/8 dungeons btw) or re-tune some things to be competitive. Not sure they'll change utility in 6 weeks, besides numbers. They're way too overworked to put back SpellBlock and rework the talent tree. Else we'll fade away in the 10% of keys, like prot pals & friends this season

Or you would just buy Midnight and say "Hey, remember when prot was L tier in TWW S3?" And move on

[dark barn]

Im expecting giga damage with the colossus tier set. And good self healing too. Id be surprise if war didnt top damage charts again

[heavy sparrow]

🗞️

[slender bison]

Just check the Prot paladin 4p set. Not so sure about "Collosus zug. We get invited. Zug"

[frosty mango]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kBqPb7cWdQnNVMFw?fight=3&type=damage-done&source=1

thane bleed

feels way better than exe

also very tanky

health bar no move

[slender bison]

Question is - who uses Exe? Colossus is too busy with giga bleeds too

[frosty mango]

I think if ionizing strike gets tuned better thane will be a contender

[slender bison]

Its obiously poor man's Lightning Strikes from Hero tree for TB procs. No idea at this stage

[frosty mango]

I mean ~20ppm is a decent proc rate

but the damage even with 4set is abysmal

[nocturne spindle]

i wonder with this much haste

if were back to reduce shield wall cooldown talent

[feral zealot]

Not about warrior but why your name is shiny?

[undone beacon]

Nitro booster

[onyx pike]

nice, spellblock gone. time to reroll for good now. 👍

[solid sun]

Roid is a special edition collector's item

So he has a special name

[slender bison]

Idk, after we profile the dungeon requirements next week, things will be clearer. Dawnbreaker as a Thane is a waste of time.

[feral zealot]

Ohhh ok

[solid sun]

Contractually obligated to be a bear because the new dungeon/area is about growing trees and cultivating life

Warriors don't do that

Them's the breaks

[mighty valley]

Sure we do, we can cultivate life by killing murderers

[slender bison]

Wasn't that Everbloom ?

Oh poison time

[frosty mango]

oh man

[solid sun]

I don't think that's what Everbloom was

It was definitely kill the vegetation time

[frosty mango]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A6MJ7xnDvyc9HXNG

[solid sun]

But in this area we experiment with wildlife to see if we can get new life to grow on their planet

[frosty mango]

damage gets a lot closer if I pull the entire room

bleeds absolutely cooking on large pulls tho

[solid sun]

Listen, man, your logs are unimportant right now. We are strategizing how to handle the lore. The only way to defeat this season is to fully focus on the task at hand

And that task is not blocking spells or bleeding everything under the Sun.

:)

[frosty mango]

I dunno right now my primary focus is
"ionizing strike worse than ionizing hazzikostas, fix plz"
"where spel blok?"
"y no crit spikey shield like u say"

[small steeple]

this full execute talents with thane?

[frosty mango]

yes

first pull is thane second is colo

the ones I linked later I used standard thane with no execute talents and it feels way better imo

[silent shard]

Using execute in M+ is no bueno, as always its gonna be a raid talent

[round cliff]

i wanna execute in m+

[solid sun]

Why do you not execute in m+?

[silent shard]

Too much rage for not too much dmg

[topaz latch]

So with the compensation talents and no spell block, is flood and psf gonna suck more? The consolation talents look terrible.

[solid sun]

I def think you execute in m+

Bosses still exist

[small steeple]

this

[frosty mango]

I dunno I feel like there could be a medium

as thane

also colo

youre definitely gonna press execute

[stiff gate]

are you playing brutal vitality in those logs?

wouldn't fueled by violence be going absolutely crazy considering 30% of your dps is deep wounds/rend as colo?

[slender bison]

I have execute binded on F and shield slam on 1. Gonna get piano fingers

[round cliff]

cursed keybinds damn

[slender bison]

Hey, it's my brain!

[frosty mango]

I am and that could be true but im not sure atm bc of the changes to brv

[stiff gate]

for reference, napkin math says you did over 8m dps there, over 20% of it was deep wounds, 200% of that is like 3m hps

[frosty mango]

yes but thats only relevant if my health bar actually goes down

the change to banking damage into IP could be pretty big

but yeah fbv could be pretty nasty too

[stiff gate]

8% of 8mil is only 640k hps, i dont think it would be even close in terms of just raw throughput on yourself, at least on big aoe like this

[shut summit]

fbv will be clear winner next patch ye

was told that bugs with that and BrV were fixed too but havent verified

[slender bison]

At BigMomma you will have 5 targets with deep wounds and 1 during Jumpstart (maybe get 2 contractors after 1st Jumpstart). FbV gonna be kinda sucky Vs ad-less bosses without shield block

[knotty pewter]

will this be the first time prot war is good at self sustain?

[stiff gate]

legion

[knotty pewter]

/self healing

[frosty mango]

im sitting outside the dungeon still I can run the pull back with fbv

[slender bison]

Not Vs bosses

[stiff gate]

legion prot warrior with manacles had pretty solid self-sustain, eventually they turned the bracers into Indom but nerfed it 20 times so its not good now

[slender bison]

Where shield block was crucial

[lofty warren]

What's a mdr

[stiff gate]

do you mean spell block

[dusky canopy]

Magic damage reduction

[knotty pewter]

self sustain and surviving a big boss hit are two different things though

[lofty warren]

Soooo mitigation against spells go up or down?

[stiff gate]

losing spell block is gonna suck but big momma isn't even that good of a use case for it, the dot is what ruins me on that boss not the initial hit personally

[slender bison]

More flat MDR around, but higher chance of dying to bosses unless the casino saves you

[knotty pewter]

its the main problem war always has. sustained damage

[stiff gate]

i think 4-5 paladin pull in priory is going to be absolutely awful without spell block, you get much more mileage out of it on that pull than big momma

maybe buffed FbV will carry

[slender bison]

You have 35+8 Magic damage reduction+FbV. You'll be fine. The problem will be undead paladin

[frosty mango]

lul

raw hps 3.5m

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bphNycmvnK2GzqDL?fight=1&type=healing&source=1&options=8

[stiff gate]

lolllllllllllllll

[slender bison]

Sweet

[lofty warren]

So in m+ it's basically more baseline dr but lose ability to use ability for big dr spike like when the 1st dawnbreaker boss was about to shoot you in your booty

[slender bison]

#protection message

Someone on forums put it better

Imagine getting Keybreaker proc with shield wall up, but never procs when you need it. Plus not sure you can track it

[lofty warren]

I understand the casino nonsense. I'm talking about cases where your casino doesn't pop

[slender bison]

So it's brown class at the casino

[lofty warren]

You said there is passive dr now too

[slender bison]

You have spell reflect +10%. Plus 2 talents with MDR each passive

The rest you'll have to out heal with FbV, so your hp will yoyo

Vs magic dmg

[red tree]

1st boss DB never forget everyone overlapped their kicks so I block a whole round of bolts plus the beam to not keel over 2024-2025

[frosty mango]

whats really wild is I didnt even press IP

i wasted like 40% rage

[lofty warren]

Ok so mdr passive 2 point = how much passive dr? 10%

[slender bison]

It's heroic in what? 700 ilvl. Come on

[frosty mango]

yea thats why im looking at raw hps

not effective

[slender bison]

8% always, 8%+35% during Spell Reflect

[lofty warren]

So 8% baseline with 10% reflect. In s2 its 10% with spell block whose % i don't know. It is a pretty short cd though

I would rather have the button i can press that gives me big dr when I need assuming it's short enough cd.

[slender bison]

Spell Block uses your block chance but Vs spells. So no, it's not even competing

[lofty warren]

If ur 671ish ilvl with the mythic shield what dr would your shield give

[slender bison]

Yes. That's the main take on that. From control to casino. We have consensus that nobody picks Keybreaker spell. Maybe only if dot heavy magic damage, which has more % of procing

Take Floodgate Giga-Zap goblin boss - Thunder-punch does phys + lightning component and leaves a nasty dot on you. You wanna casino the dot or just use spell reflect for 35% MDR?

[lofty warren]

I want something I can control. I don't go to casino the game is rigged against you

[slender bison]

Healer is too busy to heal DPS and herself there

No need to babysit a ugly orc brown class tank now

[lofty warren]

Why did they change it like this? They should have made spell block and choice talent where you can pick casino or the on use talent

[slender bison]

Because "they felt" that "the players" were "confused" by what needs to be "blocked" or "not". Source needed. So instead of the spell reflect (which you cant play without Weak Aura), they removed Spell Block. But at least we get giga HPS, so we'll be BDKs but brown

And with no CD Battle Shout, we can get angry per GCD when things dont proc

[knotty pewter]

spell block was dogshit. good riddens

[lofty warren]

Bdk patch notes so long I don't even know what they are changing but changing it way they did i don't agree with

[shut summit]

yea the best solution is just make spell block work all the time, but easier to just delete it I guess

[lofty warren]

How can it work all the time

[slender bison]

Magic cast + dot on your way -> spell block chance -> lower the effect duration/tune CD and you're done

Make certain bosses abilities immune to spell block. And it's done

Now you know when and how

Now our HP will yo-yo until they tune the numbers vs casters until FbV + Demolish window comes online.

[lofty warren]

I don't like that some abilities ignore spell block and some don't would probably want consistency. I know the same issue exists with spell reflect but image if you could spell reflect some giant raid boss magic damage lol

[mild river]

Exactly. I hate to play this game of guessing

[frosty mango]

I did the same pull on live and it was 600k raw hps

that is a massive difference

[slender bison]

Lets get to 3k first week on live before they find out

[small steeple]

what were the FbV bugs?

[slender bison]

VDHs will delete their chars

[stiff gate]

i already play FbV on live so a big buff to it along with probably playing all the bleed talents sounds good to me

[lofty warren]

What's fbv

[slender bison]

The bug I think is that it heals 85% of deep wounds instead of 110%. But still better than BV past 14-15 keys since it's constant. Instead you can miss windows of BV when IP is off in 1 GCD

[slender bison]

Fueled by Violence

[lofty warren]

Pwar identity is not to do hps. It is to do DR. What have blizz done 😦

[slender bison]

Preparing us for Bloodlust roleplay. Deep Wounds - HPS leech - Bloodlust

It's natural

Instant resub

[strong forum]

debatable if its better

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[ionic nimbus]

Gladi Stance…

Was a good one

[chilly brook]

Logs simply do not back up this claim

[undone beacon]

Did some cinderbrew testing of elune bear and holy mother of aoe

The extra 20% damage on thrash from the 2pc alone is wicked

[lapis owl]

like i said extra thrash dmg = more arcane heals

[jagged pier]

i mean bears tier is broken/overtuned right now

[undone beacon]

thats only if you manage to get good ravage chains

which is not reliable outside of incarn

Plus thats for DotC not EC

Both tiers are tuned very strong right now regardless

[lusty karma]

Agreed, but that should be on Blizzard to fix via their design. Removing spell block is a bandaid (assuming their explanation for why is the legit reason, and not because spell block is too strong)

If it was actually about complexity in understanding when to use it, they could've just made it a flat spell damage DR instead which works for everything (although you can still argue it's not easily apparent what is magical damage vs. physical damage, but that's also because of their own design decisions which they could change). Instead they removed it, which makes me think it was more about it being too strong

[undone beacon]

Astral Antenna new BIS trinket

Moth

[south zealot]

depends on what you mean good

ppl did no healer keys with a prot warrior in dragonflight

[sharp gale]

Im glad they calm down on very rare items

[chrome falcon]

surely this trinket is so much worse for us than the other tank specs who can heal themselves

am i missing something?

[cerulean tusk]

It still going turn a death to one where you survived. If the healer cant top you in those 6 sec, then it was over a long time ago.

[chrome falcon]

i dunno maybe the proc does a billion damage but

a conditional cheat death sounds like a fucking awful trinket

[rugged plinth]

Its still a free life. Can drop a victory rush when it procs to help but the healer will have to top you up. The passive is kinda nice. Cause we are often not full hp so it should be a good amount of effective healing.

[chrome falcon]

it's literally not a free life though

the extra life requires several seconds of healer attention

[rugged plinth]

Same as a dk

[chrome falcon]

except DK has death strike and we don't, obviously

[rugged plinth]

Sure they do a lot of it themselves but when it procs the healer knows to dump a big heal on em

[sick grotto]

won't mobs deaggro you and just hit everyone else?

[chrome falcon]

probably not?

that doesn't normally happen

[rugged plinth]

Victory rush/healthstone when it procs. And ignore a tankbuster

[peak iron]

isnt it basically just the current dk cheat in a trinket form

[chrome falcon]

yes but purg is obviously much better for DK than it would be for us because their kit is built to get them out of purg

[peak iron]

oh mb grun already said that lol

true

[rugged plinth]

It might not be the best trinket but I bet it gets a lot of use. The passive is good. Free healing and aoe dps for existing.

[peak iron]

this has probably already been discussed but blizz's rationale for removing spell block seems like the dumbest shit ive ever read

[chrome falcon]

can we please learn what free means!

[sick grotto]

oh i read it wrong i think the 8 min cd is rough

[chrome falcon]

nothing this trinket does is free

[sick grotto]

and no effect when its charging

[chrome falcon]

it costs a trinket slot!

[rugged plinth]

So does the trinket it competes with?

1/1 cancels out

[peak iron]

opportunity cost for both the cheat trinket and a damage trinket

so pick your poison

[rugged plinth]

I havnt seen the other trinkets. Maybe one of them is just better to avoid the death in the first place. But historically revives after death even with a penalty are always great. Cause you can use it to skip mechanics. And if the healer knows you are going to do that then they are prepared to dump a big heal on you

[chrome falcon]

you are only avoiding the death if your healer can get you to 75% within 6 seconds

[rugged plinth]

Which all of them should be able to do. Even more so if its planned.

[chrome falcon]

and if your healer could already do that, why is this thing even proccing

[rugged plinth]

Cause you did it on purpose to skip a mechanic. Or you got hit in the back pulling a large group. Or a dps missed a kick. Lots of reasons.

Not saying the trinket is amazing. It has no secondary stats on it. And I havnt seen other effects. But cheat death has always been good because it can skip mechanics

[pallid quiver]

Traditionally, because a mistake was made in M+ or as part of a stop gap for CD rotations, also in M+

[rugged plinth]

I guess it has vers. But nothing crazy that a stat proc trinket would have

[pallid quiver]

it has minimal value for raid focused players or people not pushing extremely high keys where very normally inconsequential mistakes explode you

[rugged plinth]

Also where are these trinkets at? I wanna look through the 11.2 ones

[pallid quiver]

I'd say it might have value for cheesing some raid mechs, but if a cheat death would work, you'd just use the pocket BDK every Myth raid team has on deck

[woven radish]

It potentially saves a key from a wipe, could care less what else it does, it's decent and worth using sometimes just for that purpose

[rugged plinth]

Yeah I doubt it is the default trinket. But I think its pretty good and will have some specific uses.
I like the self healing and aoe damage proc. Often not full hp as a warrior. Nice to have some passive healing under the ignore pain shield.

The only stats being 2k vers is kinda weak though. Probably get more use out of something else.

[chrome falcon]

anyway my point was mostly just that this thing is so much better for other tanks who can get themselves to 75% with 1 button compared to us who will need a weakaura/macro to beg for heals when it procs

[rugged plinth]

I see your point. Like a pally can proc it on purpose then LoH themselves. But most trinkets are like that. Better on some classes worse on others.

[south zealot]

this just seems pretty fucking shit all around

not only is it it a conditional cheat death

no main stat

and the damage it does is basically 0

[chrome falcon]

cheat death trinkets never have main stat i think

[south zealot]

unless that shits proccing every 2 seconds

[rugged plinth]

It does say a high chance when getting hit. But who knows what that actually is

[south zealot]

im sure the chance is high but just depends on icd

[south zealot]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=184018/splintered-heart-of-alar
https://www.wowhead.com/item=186434/weave-of-warped-fates
https://www.wowhead.com/item=207528/prophetic-stonescales

[rugged plinth]

The cheat death is potentially great. But the lack of stats is pretty rough. I think it gets used for specific mechanics and maybe learners but thats about it. Unless the other trinkets are all trash.
But the cheat death part is pretty great on its own

[chrome falcon]

oh in my head i was 100% sure splintered heart was secondary fair enough

[south zealot]

well normal cheat deaths are pretty mediocre on their own

[chrome falcon]

^

[south zealot]

i thought so too i googled it

[chrome falcon]

by default a cheat death is "ok"

but this is a conditional cheat death

and it's not an easy condition

[south zealot]

also going to just 10% health, if u dont have a 1 second immunity or whatever

youre just gonna immediately die again

[chrome falcon]

im sure there's a grace period of 1 second while you're turning into goo or whatever

blizz wouldn't be that dumb

[south zealot]

probably

[chrome falcon]

.......

probably.

[south zealot]

can never be too sure

[chrome falcon]

amen

[rugged plinth]

If it is being used for specific mechanics it could also be changed to not work for those.

Cause they dont really like people skipping stuff

[south zealot]

bring 5 prot warriors to final boss and hope they all 5 4% chance to immune the impossible to deal with soak mechanic

[chrome falcon]

please put trigger warning on spellbreaker references thank you

[rugged plinth]

Yeah that whole thing is trash

[south zealot]

change it to 4% chance to reflect spells

either top damage or immediately die

take your pick

[rugged plinth]

If it was going to kill you then you are planning on the 96% not the 4%. So you either waste stuff you dont need to waste or you die rolling on 4%.
Maybe it works for individual ticks of magic dots? Could be ok there. But otherwise I hate it

[frosty mango]

even if it was 40% chance

it would still be doodoo

[slender bison]

Ngl, a meat hook Necrotic Wake trinket would be amazing with the bleed gigabuffs next season

[knotty pewter]

good relative to other tanks known for self sustain

[south zealot]

well thats just not how warrior is designed to work

[undone beacon]

50% chance to reflect spell, 50% chance to take double damage. Gambling tank

[knotty pewter]

yeah right, but it seems to be a direction they are leaning in...hence the question

[royal marten]

I wonder why they never decoupled the magic DR from the spell reflect part. Reflect one spell, DR for the rest of it.

Or, let's go back to Legion reflect.

[chrome falcon]

buddy

do i have news for you

[royal marten]

Say it isn't so

[chrome falcon]

for multiple years

[royal marten]

I've been playing other characters too long

[frosty mango]

arms luls

[cerulean tusk]

2nd wind
Oh and fueled big heal
but... 2nd wind

[elfin kiln]

anyone got a cook for a raid build for ptr

[frigid valley]

signet shit or? grabbed one from vault in only slot but doesnt align very weel it feels like

[lilac widget]

what do be the belt shenanigans we pickin?

for pushing and for crest keys

[jagged gust]

Honestly the heal goes kinda hard

+500k group hps

And it's smart too so it winds up only being like ~20% overheal

[mighty valley]

ok steady on lmao

[chrome falcon]

no no

let him cook

[sullen gust]

What would blizzard have to do to make hamstring worth actually having on our bars? Anyone have a cool idea for it?

[lilac widget]

oooh okidoke ill try that one out ty 🙂

[fringe burrow]

hamstring: slows down target enough that you can block spells they cast

[lilac widget]

wasnt expecting heal to be the answer haha

[rugged plinth]

Hamstring. Cook some ham on a string. Feed it to allies to restore X% health

[sullen gust]

Could it like reduce the mobs resistances like armour or something for the party so it can get funneled better?

[fringe burrow]

so like...sunder armor was?

[frosty mango]

Tbh they should just make stoneform a war cd

40% reduced spell damage for x seconds and removes all bleeds etc

[lilac widget]

im guessing its this one or the base one for raid?

[candid sage]

I gang, trying to increase my damage a bit, raid bots uses ignore pain a lot more than I do and is doing several thousand more damage than I can. does spending rage increase damage, or does having ignore pain up increase damage some how. I am a noob.

[nocturne spindle]

if it stops your rage from capping then using IP increases damage

but your most likely just not hitting all your buttons as fast as they can be hit on resets

[candid sage]

So i do less damage if my rage caps?

not that I am trying to save it for anything just trying to get an understanding.

[frigid plume]

spending rage cycles your cooldowns because of anger management, so if you are sitting at max rage instead of spending it you are effectively losing cdr

[topaz latch]

yes, i believe from the anger management interaction

[candid sage]

Already a big help guys thank you.

[topaz latch]

gain rage-->spend rage =anger management benefits--> Damage (profit) by way of cooldown reduction on ur big stuff

[slender bison]

+ViolentOutburst

[frosty mango]

And to further really illustrate it, when this happens you are desyncing avatar from demolish badly

So it becomes a self repeating cycle

You can keep avatar relatively close to demolish with anger management, it will still desync but not as badly

[candid sage]

Alright guys well you have given me some things to work on. I appreciate it.

[undone beacon]

God I cannot read anything about these "Reshii Wraps" without my mind going "I love reshiiiraam"

[south zealot]

read dn

[unkempt pier]

is there ever a reason to rend over thunder clap even in st

[south zealot]

remove rend and slam from your bars

[dusky canopy]

Or only have rend and slam on your bar

[vivid orchid]

replace everything with whirlwind.

[lilac widget]

Hahaha new warrior talent is a nick cave reference

Red right hand

[slender bison]

More like from red handed (caught killing someone) Vs yellow handed (caught stealing/cheating)

[lofty warren]

We don't even press whirlwind why the heck they buff

[small steeple]

for arms and fury....

aand that was almost a month ago...

[vocal cave]

colossus set buff bleed only for 2 slams after demo or for every slam crit?

[willow portal]

is the versa buff for belt worth?

[nocturne ibex]

any crit, and its a buff on you, so all targets

[spark veldt]

Rest in peace best magic defence

[hardy snow]

@jagged pier @shut summit thanks for help yesterday, it was pretty smooth today on Gally and we finished day under 15%

[sharp gale]

I will tank mug monday gold drip is spell blockable ? The SpreadSheet talks about the tankbuster itself I guess

[near salmon]

🫡

[unkempt pier]

is it higher prio to thunderclap on aoe or revenge if rage is overflowing

[undone beacon]

Meanwhile I’m still stuck on fucking lockenstock

Kms

[dusky canopy]

Climb guild angle

[hardy snow]

yea, the initial hit is spellblockable

[sharp gale]

so gold drip is not

[hardy snow]

yup

[sharp gale]

it was to know if i can stand in the golden puddle on the first tankbuster

[hardy snow]

gold spawns after the tankbuster, it starts dropping where you are when cast finish, so its useful to go under the wall when boss is casting

[sharp gale]

i'm talking about staying on the puddles after the tankbuster

and not move

[hardy snow]

it will stun you (human can use racial for it)

[sharp gale]

i have pvp trinket, i'll try it

[hardy snow]

its doable but unnecessary dmg imo

[unkempt pier]

is shield slam higher prio than not overcapping rage?

should I dump before I press or just send it

[hardy snow]

you can always dump into IP

[unkempt pier]

good com

[kind urchin]

Would be mighty cool of them if they gave us the ability to just block spells. Even at a reduced effectiveness would be fine. I mean hell, the pink power rangers are able to block spells.

[frosty mango]

You can press them both at the same time because ip if off global

[empty spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-top-gun-maverick-salute-tom-cruise-military-gif-26899454

[near salmon]

Agreed. I understand that people will say this make prot warrior too OP. But to me, it makes no sense that shield block cannot help a warrior mitigate at least some magic damage. The tooltips literally says you "raise your shield" up to block. And if you have a big bad shield in front of you, wouldn't that shield just block whatever things that are coming toward you?

[lavish sphinx]

If it means that they're going to put fewer spells in encounters then that's okay

But it doesn't mean that

[vivid orchid]

unless they plan to make encounters easier so that all 6 tanks can participate in a reasonable way - then prot has essentially a distinct disadvantage vs the other 5 for mitigation

[jagged gust]

Who needs Spell Block when you have a 30% DR on a 25s CD?

Prot is eating next patch no doubt

enormous buff to FBV, our armor gets buffed, we get more flat DR on defensive stance

[candid cove]

They also made AMZ a 4 min cd. They're definitely making magic damage a thing we just have to handle across the board

[pallid quiver]

you flipped the 5 and the 0

it's 35% DR on a 20s CD

Prot's SR only has a 20s CD, and it's 25% base DR

[vivid orchid]

its 20% on 20s

[pallid quiver]

where'd i remember 25% from

anyhow, it is 20s for prot; it's reduced for prot from DPS specs

i blame this on me being awake for 26 hours smh

[vivid orchid]

it was 30 and 25 in legion

is maybe it

but otherwise nothing close

oh hm

its 25 and 20 on l ife weird

stupid tooltip bs

there's an extra 5% dr not accounted for outside of game

[pallid quiver]

my memory is flawless, even in my sleep induced haze

[jagged gust]

oh damn, thanks for the correction because that's even better

[frosty mango]

Uh

Next season dungeon pool list ain’t exactly light on casters

New dungeon has tonnnns of casters

As does Tazavesh

And no chance fbv survives in its current state

If it does I would be floored lol

[undone beacon]

o7

[final hound]

would it be too busted to instead have some kind of "improved spell reflect" talent that would incorporate spell block into spell reflect? say increase the magic damage reduction to 50% on spell reflect but it decays in effectiveness by 10% each second or 10% each application of magic damage taken? now spell reflect can reflect spells, be used as a reactive magic dr for tank busters, and smoothes out unavoidable aoe magic damage, and it still saves 1 keybind

[south zealot]

spell reflect is already really really good

something like that shouldnt be baked into reflect imo

[final hound]

BDK gets shell though : (

[south zealot]

ams is absolutely disgusting i agree

best ability in the game

[final hound]

my friend has been malding about AMS this entire season and I joked that the DK patch notes would nerf them by deleting spell reflection on warrior and now I feel like I got grazed by a bullet

[errant wagon]

Hey y'all.
Question on which is "better" between Scrapfield 9001 and Cinderbrew Stein.
I know both are relatively mid-tank trinkets in the first place, but I'm super struggling on clearing a +18 priory and saw that some other prot warriors are running double tank trinket, so I'm just going to try it out.

So first trinket I'm using is mud, that's locked in. Scrapfield / Stein are both insanely similar.
scrapfield does the gaurantee procs every 30s, where as stein is every 1min with random procs.

Which one is theoretically "better"? this is mostly focusing on First boss, and the trash pulls after it.

For quick ref...

Stein missing stats too doesn't help

[knotty pewter]

i would take scrap over stein. to my mind not even a close choice

if you have the option I would think kezan would be best of all 3 for what you are talking about specifically. should be able to start boss and that trash pull with many stacks

[errant wagon]

Didn't really consider this. The strength eye gives just makes your that much beefier I guess?

[knotty pewter]

its kinda nice too because at 20 stacks its making up for the lost primary stat from mud

pacemaker+kezan is also an option. thats arguably as tanky as having 2 mud uses.

[errant wagon]

Pacemaker + mud is what I've been doing historically

Never really considered eye though, so thanks for bringing that up 😁

[knotty pewter]

i havent played war since the turbo boost but I'd also be looking to play hounds+sharpshooters on first boss. should overall help FbV healing + rage gen a bit.

[errant wagon]

Oo, didn't think about that. I will try experimenting that on a lower key

Appreciate it dude

[urban sequoia]

wdym? our armor is getting nerfed next patch.

[knotty pewter]

sure dude, good luck. and for the sharpshooter pull just make sure you have a CC for one and pull it in after the first dies.

[urban sequoia]

are any damage reductions for prot warrior additive instead of multiplicative?

[small steeple]

Decided to try out MT on M OAB prog tonight, and honestly, it does as much damage or so, and feels much more stable

[opaque bobcat]

Opinionated prot question: so I paused playing prot at 667 ilvl after nearing in on 3k at season 2 start, leveled a DK, tanked to 680 ilvl, 3200 M+. How ya'll feeling about the S3 changes? Abom limb removal made me cry, and from my first looks, it really feels like prot is going to be wild damage and alot more fun than before with the talent changes. I'm worried about the potential magic damage surrounding the new dungeons with the removal of Spell Block. Ya'll think Prot will really come up alot in S3 given what we've seen?

[plush socket]

how much overall would this need to do in a key for it to be good lol

[south zealot]

enough for it to make up for lack of any stats

0% chance that thing is good

[plush socket]

yeah i agree lol

[frosty mango]

I tested it in a heroic

Appeared to be poopoo based on current tuning

[shrewd plinth]

spellblock replaced by a 4% random proc to negate all magic damage..?

Oh sorry big momma's electrocrush hit the 96% odds to smash me, so I fell over

[ionic nimbus]

you all forget, that its not 4%. Its 50/50 it proccs or proccs not!

[shrewd plinth]

🤔 Ah this makes so much more sense

I already felt like the tier set randomly granting shield wall was weird design. But taking an on demand defensive and replacing it with an rng tiny proc is ew. As a tank I want to press the right defensive button for the right damage and get rewarded; not play roulette for the defensive rotation

Ah, looked at the talent tree calculator. I see that the option for that 4% random node is just off to the side as an optional node; so we really just lost spell block that's more digestable

[heavy sparrow]

16k

And upz you spec into itf

[shrewd plinth]

Think it's more based on how good you are at maintaining shield block. If you find yourself with a constant 18+ seconds of shield block lying around you should def consider it

[coarse latch]

60% of the time it works everytime

[ionic nimbus]

!

That’s Devmath

[tranquil token]

will there be any point in taking shield charge since all its other talents were removed?

[knotty pewter]

still gives you 20 rage and shield block. not to mention off gcd stun and movement for gathering

less value for sure though

[tranquil token]

the shield block part was removed

[drowsy shale]

wut :<

[tranquil token]

nvm im dumb

just reread it

[drowsy shale]

was gonna say no wayyyy

instant bin

[knotty pewter]

maybe its droppable though. if you dont need it for shield block uptime then you probably can bin it

[ionic nimbus]

Why should we drop it? Nothing has changed except of battering (what was an optional talent)

It’s still a very good talent

[knotty pewter]

im not saying you should, just that maybe you could to pick up something else

we also lost a tier set that had a ton of shield charge synergy

you also dont have champions bulwark anymore so you dont get the free revenge

[mighty valley]

we took shield charge without battering ram 100% of the time in s1, it hasn’t lost that much since then

but idk will have to compare how it stacks up to the rest of the options down there

[knotty pewter]

yeah its a good button for sure still
but it is a new talent tree and I think our secondaries are gonna be really high

looking at it though the other options arent that great

[round cliff]

i need someone who's good at coping to teach me how to cope

[azure mural]

helooo, is there anyone whose really bored and likes reading key logs!!

[jagged gust]

yes

[remote dawn]

how you guys controll 1 pull in dfc? i lose often the aggro from caster than the big make his hit and pull rnd. mobs

[ionic nimbus]

Communication and LoS the whole pull in a corner when you dont have DK Grips or Knocks that Push outliners into the pull

[remote dawn]

kk i must try again today ^^

[nocturne spindle]

aoe interrupt to gather

knockups to negate the aoe knockback by the mob

[rancid tiger]

Take spear

[frank crystal]

i let the first knockback go off in the hallway then grab the casters into an aoe taunt/interupt. then you eithier need to be esxtremely catious with your postioning or have some yoyo abilities or knock ups

[earnest cove]

The new belt is super annoying because i can’t use engineer tinkers on it… stupid design

[past cobalt]

re: the new Thane tier set, do we know yet exactly how the Thane one works? are the probabilities all or nothing, or per proc?

[novel temple]

Is this real? (Not the gladiator edit part but the demon hunters getting a third spec)

[sharp merlin]

Are they gonna fix that? The speed boost is my most important tool

[fathom meteor]

It’s only speculated. But they have added a lot of void DH icons in the game, abilities and also talents have been “leaked” So wouldn’t be surprised

[earnest cove]

I hope so… it’s just ass like this

[sharp gale]

Im still sceptic about it, I didn’t see those icons etc and : there are bosses and trashs, they have icons and abilities

[strong forum]

[warm plinth]

Good morning

[frosty wave]

Hello everyone
Quick question I'm starting to get to "high" keys 13-14-15 until then I was playing with tome and pacemaker
I tried cinder trinket and it feels it gives me a lot of survivability compared to tome
What are the other survivability trinkets that are better than cinder ?

[idle copper]

Bomb suit
Mud gets good mileage in priory and flood
Cinders generally not that well rated?

You can farm mud from Flood

[warm plinth]

Are we talking about the cinderbrew stein?

[hardy snow]

or buy it at vendor at myth track if you did 12s

[idle copper]

Presumably

[lime urchin]

Sounds like a dps loss 🤢

[frosty wave]

That's next week I only have 2 token

[frosty wave]

@warm plinth yes cinderstein

[warm plinth]

If you want a defensive trinket, bomb suit and mud are both miles above Stein.

Stein is quite bad

[honest falcon]

What power in belt should I use on m+ 15+?

[warm plinth]

Haste proc

[hardy snow]

btw. speaking of defensive trinket, in new raid we have 1min cd for 5,5M of 50% absorb at 723 ilvl, righ now at 671 bombsuit gives over 10M of 75% on 1.5min cd and Mud ives 10M on 2min cd that can be further reduced

[frosty wave]

I did a top 14 and flood 14 (bricked because of a body pull and failed bubbles skip) and felt really safe with it ?

[frigid valley]

mud also has 7890str less compared to that

[hardy snow]

yea I know it will be better due to stat amount, but from defensive on use perspective its funny for me how Blizz is making the numbers

[frigid valley]

also first itteration, think mud was changed like 6 times during ptr

[sharp gale]

There is this one that’s interesting

[hardy snow]

Yeah, they will change it right after RWF kills last boss with tanks using mythic bombsuit from Gally

[tardy abyss]

Yeah that one is interesting for sure

Cheat death is so powerful

[sharp gale]

And it does damage

[tardy abyss]

I dont think it will do a whole lot of damage

[sharp gale]

But I didn’t run dungeons yet

[tardy abyss]

But this trinket will be mandatory for prog

[hardy snow]

I dont like the part where we need to heal up quickly, 75% is not what I get from IV

[tardy abyss]

Healers will top you quickly

• we get new better health pots I hope

[frigid valley]

i miss splintered heart from kaelthas, was fun killing ppl with cheat death

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-air-quotes-gif-18226933

[sharp gale]

Idk what « unstable void for 6 » is , I didn’t die in the dungeons

[hardy snow]

I guess thats the time you have to heal back to 75%

[tardy abyss]

Basically dk cheat death

[sharp gale]

Im curious if it proc with it so you have twice your hp to heal or you die

[stone ice]

somebody asked it before but does the new tough as nails look any good for keys?

surely somebody did the math already

[hardy snow]

that looks interesting, according to wowhead's database (which may be incorrect) it has 0gcd

[frosty wave]

Is it better than tome? I've macroed tome onto avatar but maybe a bad decision

[strong forum]

very bad

tome isnt an on use trinket which grants you absorb/dmg whenever you use the CD

#protection message

read this on how it works

[stone ice]

?

[strong forum]

time will tell

cant really test it right now can we

[patent scroll]

Well, you could do some ungabunga math by just looking at the amount of hits you've taken/blocked/critblocked from a log and then get a very rough idea how much it would do, but yeah

Tuning and all that

[pallid quiver]

My math says it'll do at least 100 dps

[frosty wave]

So basically, never use and stay in sword mode ?

[pallid quiver]

not quite

Using swaps what mode you're in, and getting hit enough times swaps what mode you're in

So you want to track it to see when you swap out of sword mode, then swap back

[frosty wave]

If I'm in shoeld mode
And I swap my sword buff is doubled for 20 secs
When the 20secs end do I stay in sword mode or come back as shield ?

[strong forum]

stay sword

[frosty wave]

Ah ok, so use when I get hit to be in sword mode as much as possible

[patent scroll]

Just get a WA like this for it https://wago.io/sn2UyJYzl

And just press when it shows up

[strong forum]

hey i know that guy

[warm plinth]

Not just about how it performs, so it's not that simple. You have to take 3 points to get it that aren't required, so you have to compare that 3 points to the other talents you could spend those three points on instead.

[south zealot]

can test in the heroic dungeon variant

very difficult

enemies have like 3x your hp

very broken

[hardy snow]

in floodgate 14 it would give me ~42M dmg, while I had 3.7B overall, so that would be slightly over 1%

[novel temple]

Ooooo, bet.

Also, isn’t there a haste trinket that also acts as a group wide DR

That also heals if it doesn’t dr/absorb the full amount?

That shit is going to be good

Even probably if it’s tuned weak af

[stone ice]

true, though getting the demo shout resets is still tempting

its mostly due to last stand sucking such insane ass though

[warm plinth]

If it was more available (didn't require pathing through LS), it would be a stronger contender, though if napkin math says anything, it'll be an okay talent but not great.

[stone ice]

hey, i like passive aoe damage in theory with linear mob scaling. id at least be interested to look into it if, like you said, you didnt have to path through the healthstone

[empty loom]

is it normal my colossus prot feels so slow, always waiting for SS/TC and doing nothing.

even with 20000 haste it feels slow as fk

[idle copper]

You should be spamming the revenge

[daring narwhal]

do we know if we need to grab the new 11.2 cloak ourselves for the raid PTR (if it's even available) ?

[warm plinth]

You're most likely overpressing Ignore Pain if you're rage starved

Look how huge I am now

What should I do differently here? This was my first Rookery

[frosty wave]

Spam mouse wheel up and press revenge at the same time
Jokes aside, I still see top prot warrior with 300-400 casts of IP and still wondering how they do with also spamming revenge
I played MT on all 12/13 and just switched to Colo and I still have this reflex of spamming IP over revenge and having a lot of shield slam

I feel slower than MT but always pressing a button never had any problems

[frosty wave]

14 can be removed I think with umbrella skip

You can also take the group on the left for 1 and use BL here instead of pull 2

You can group 2/3 if you didn't use BL on 1

You can pull first boss with one group of 6 for funnel

10/11 can be grouped

That's all I think ?

https://youtu.be/uZGstx4xfxk?si=ytFTmhGKpT4tqMvl

[warm plinth]

I cringed a bit at the start with how much he got hit in the back XD

[frosty wave]

I started prot a week ago
Im doing 14 and popping wall almost on cd on first pill

Gathering is a pain

[hardy snow]

using SW when you dont have rage/ip flow going on isnt bad, but these hits in the back

[frosty wave]

I mean he's still doing 18/19 and better than what I do, maybe it's not perfect but still do the job

If you have better vod id be happy to check

[crude notch]

This trinket will be huge for all the magic damage mitigation we're missing next season, right? (:

[drowsy shale]

stam gross

[little ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[crude notch]

[little ermine]

the good old SL debate is back

[crude notch]

you need more stam for all that magic damage tho

[frosty wave]

What was the debate ?

[little ermine]

wether the trinket was good or not

[drowsy shale]

T.T

[crude notch]

people thought it was a good trinket for their weekly vault keys.

[frosty wave]

If you kill things faster you don't need stam

[crude notch]

yeah but the trinket does damage (:

[little ermine]

it's not that good, we dont take enough damage for it

it's a DK trinket

you'll go tome and sacbrood probably

[frosty wave]

What is the cd ?

[crude notch]

Sacbrood won't save me from the loss of Spell Block though Alherion (:

[ocean smelt]

Sacbrood over pacemaker? 🤔

[little ermine]

nothing will replace losing spell block

a trinket is not going anywhere near that

[crude notch]

The warm embrace of codex will

[little ermine]

forgot pacemaker was still there ^^

[crude notch]

smh

Cheat death trinket actually does more damage than Codex anyways, so GGs

Fs

[frosty wave]

I mean

We don't live through spell block it's a nerf but it's not like we're going to be one shot by any magic damage spell

[granite pond]

Unyielding Netherprism is popping off on PTR, but it's in the style of Kazen where you need to stay in combat and keep it at 15 stacks

[crude notch]

oh you beautiful soul

[solid sun]

Maybe they're carefully spacing out all big damage events specifically for prot warriors to be able to shield wall each thing as they come and still time all keys up to a 20 comfortably

:)

[frosty wave]

So prot will be bottom tier because of shield block removal ?

[solid sun]

If prot were to be any tier, higher or lower, I don't think it would be due to any one individual change

As for where everything settles, who can say? We're like 6 weeks or something out

The hope is that the devs listen to the feedback already being sent on the forums about the removal of spell block and how horrible the spellbreaker talent is (among other things, because those aren't the only two issues that have been raised), and more changes will be announced in coming updates to the ptr

[tribal wharf]

remove shield block?

huh

[frosty wave]

Spell block misspelled

[little ermine]

i'd be a looooooot more worried if shield block was removed

[acoustic willow]

Why do I need shield block I already have the shield on?

[radiant pewter]

Why was spellblock remove

[tribal wharf]

cuz they added 2 ways to deal with it i think,

that spell reflect makes you take 10% less magic damage is going to be too overpowered, can tell you now

[acoustic willow]

Am I seeing the new talents correctly, shield charge is bottom left and won’t be picked now? Literally my favorite button

[tribal wharf]

just, oh, i will reduce 10% of a dot for 1/3 up time

yeah just a little broken

[sinful copper]

25+10

[tribal wharf]

oh, 35% more than a 1/3rd, for 1/3rd up time

that wont be broken

[jagged pier]

U 100% will take it

[tribal wharf]

spellbreaker should be either double the % or different/ additional effect

4% do this, even if 100% dr, is , unreliable

[sharp merlin]

you will take it, and you will like it

[tribal wharf]

then again, it all comes down to how many times the "chance to (dr 100% of spell)" can occur if, and if in batches or not

if it goes off singuilar thing, and then internal cooldown of like 40 seconds sounds about normal

trash

[frosty wave]

Sorry to ask this but how can high prot warrior can cast around 300-400 Ip and so much revenge ?

[tribal wharf]

i have to assume you cant 1 button and macro the 1 button for pwar keys or raid right lol

more a meme question but

[idle copper]

It's a shame because it's (sometimes) got potential to make mechanics interesting.

Seems like they are changing to dumb things down

[pallid quiver]

It's just how the spec works when you're properly maximizing rage gen, which is really what the spec is about. IP is basically treated as a rage dump outside of attempting to fluff up for one specific, singular hit (otherwise you'll generally end up with less defensive strength over time, as a heads up), since that allows you to maximize rage gen over time, leading to more casts of IP. Revenge is overall cheaper than IP, not only because of lower rage cost, but also because it has a chance to both refund the rage it spent and reset the CD on Shield Slam, making you restart the rage generation process faster.

You'll also end up with more casts if you happen to be rocking Thane since you end up pressing more generators over time than Colo does

That being said, from what I'm seeing, if they're getting closer to 400 casts of IP, they're probably not timing keys or are losing value elsewhere; most I'm seeing end up at like 300-ish or so

[small steeple]

Luerce have you looked at ptr notes and tier sets?
What’s your thoughts on them and possible builds?

[pallid quiver]

Last I had seen anything Colo set was nutso compared to Thane

and it's probably currently technically a nerf, mostly due to the lack of spell block, but it's a lot healthier of a tree design since you can flex points around and actually have, like, pathing decisions

Overall, design wise, I'm pretty content

[small steeple]

From a rough look, depending on how the MT 4pc works, and the execute stuff, MT for raid it looks like

[pallid quiver]

oh wait

no i'm mad, it's only cleave execute

it needs to be full aoe

with a soft min of 5 targets, where it does more damage the more targets past 5

[small steeple]

[pallid quiver]

Nome and Mwahi probably have more solid numbers if you're looking for something like that, but I'm definitely not on the doom train most everyone else is on

[jagged gust]

Another passive tier set, yippee

[topaz latch]

is there anyone who thinks the improved self healing will counter the loss of spell block (heal back magic dam like bear tank)?

[slim dove]

can't heal back if your just dead

[frosty wave]

Yes you're right 400 is more MT
I'm around 340 right now in 13/14 but I'm spamming MWheel because I'm not very confident I don't usually focus on damage and more on survival
Thanks for the heads up I have to squeeze more damage

[sweet summit]

spec dead

never been more over...