protection

[lusty grotto]

TB, absolutely

im pretty sure execute will beat vanilla TC at its target cap though

further than 3 targets though its TC all the way

[river phoenix]

for sure, but that's always been the case for cleave anyways

at least in raid

[lusty grotto]

sure, but the number you want to use one will grow

even then those 2 dont compete

one is a generator, the other is not

the proper question is whether you want to revenge or execute as colossus

[river phoenix]

i'm on ptr now, they aren't bringing execute back to colossal might are they?

[lusty grotto]

because with those talents youre basically never gonna revenge as thane in execute range

no

no reason to tbh

colossus is fine as it is

[river phoenix]

more so just flow

i'm not sure about flat values, but revenge should always hit harder in colossus, no?

[lusty grotto]

yup

because of colossal might

and just any complementing talent in the hero tree

[river phoenix]

yea there's a lot more beneficial modifiers in colossus for revenge to debate whether even using execute tbh

[lusty grotto]

not at all

you use execute as colossus

[river phoenix]

maybe on crit proc on 2 piece?

[lusty grotto]

execute just baseline hits hard

[river phoenix]

yea for sure

i havent deep deived logs in a while

ah interesting, they just press revenge on proc in execute phase

[slender bison]

Did they seriously added a RNG defensive talent for a tank?

Wth

[lusty grotto]

morning

Reminder to post feedback here:

NA: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior-class-changes/2119964/1

EU: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior-class-changes/577491

welcome to the spell block doom train

[river phoenix]

what's the ppm on whirling blade?

[slender bison]

Damn, need to check ptr talent tree

[ionic fern]

5

[river phoenix]

Dayumn

[lusty grotto]

5ppm yes

[river phoenix]

affected by haste too im guessing?

[ionic fern]

[lusty grotto]

the spell data doesnt indicate but hastened autos might affect it

or actually i dont think it can be hastened

since its a set ppm

[river phoenix]

either way that's not bad

[slender bison]

So if spell breaker doesn't proc in high keys we'll just say "GG nt" to the group and apologize for the bricked key

[lusty grotto]

spellbreaker as it is wont be picked

ever

[slender bison]

So they added another dead talent right off the bat

[lusty grotto]

yup

[slender bison]

But we lose our magic mitigation

[river phoenix]

you have spell reflect

[lusty grotto]

we have passive mit, but that's about it

and 35% MDR SR

[slender bison]

The MDR from SR is not enough. Spell Block actually made as viable in casters dungeons

[frail ibex]

Chat

are we meta next patch?

[ionic fern]

Thunderlords behind LS, AM behind a weird talent I would not take in 99 percent content..

But these are minor gripes ,tree is definitely better than currently.

[lusty grotto]

losing spell block is the big one

[ionic fern]

Je.

[lusty grotto]

the rest is just tweaks

[river phoenix]

True, i do like disrupting shout coming back though

[lusty grotto]

wdym

we've played disrupting all season

it never went away

[river phoenix]

did we.........i never cast it

heh

[ionic fern]

I also never took it.

[lusty grotto]

are you currently playing?

[river phoenix]

i stopped mid season

but flexed between dps and tank

[lusty grotto]

why wouldnt you pick it

we have a point that is flexy enough for it

[river phoenix]

erm

Mwahi help

[lusty grotto]

in contrast with other seasons

[slender bison]

Also they seem to refuse to make Rally Cry viable in groups. Seems like the guys who added Spell block are not working there anymore and the new warrior design guys lost the reason why it was added in the first place

Can't post on forums cuz sub expired

[ionic fern]

Cause I rock MT and want my TL. Or sof for Colossus. + The key levels I'm doing it's a w/e talent.

[lusty grotto]

lol i mean yeah

[jagged pier]

Yer but jist swap the rng talent for spell block fixed

[river phoenix]

What they said

[slender bison]

They added 2% avoidance talent? Lmao

Hunker down

[ionic fern]

Jeh,that's just doa.

[vale escarp]

Am I'm blind or did they remove spellblock on the new tree?

[ionic fern]

Correct.

[river phoenix]

just in time for prot war mains to switch to MoP where it's fun and you totally won't die because of a lack of gear

[slender bison]

They removed AM? Made it baseline or no more CDRs?

[vale escarp]

Is there any good reason removing an activ talent for rng shit, other than to fuck us

[ionic fern]

Still there

[river phoenix]

it's above ravager

[slender bison]

I'm blind

[ionic fern]

It was honestly stupid broken. Could have just toned it down tho.

[glacial skiff]

Well that's kinda disappointing. I thought the shakeup to prot tree meant more diversity, but it seems like you might be stuck taking the same or essentially the same talents for M+

[ionic fern]

You got more flex points now tho.

[glacial skiff]

Really hoped to see flexibility to take more things in high M+

[slender bison]

Indomitable still dead talent

[vale escarp]

Well, Just tune it down, dont give me another stupid talent which procs at 1mob with 2% HP left Like the stupid t-set with shildwall

[glacial skiff]

I feel like this will be the go to, or something very close to it

[candid cove]

Are we just going heavy bleed damage fueled by violence to leech us up?

[glacial skiff]

which sucks since we don't get extra rage gen from instigate or blood surge

[ionic fern]

Aoe execute where

Send 4 points whereever

[glacial skiff]

I am interested in the whirling blade talent though if its tuned correctly

[ionic fern]

And swap magic Dr for armor if you want.

[slender bison]

It's a season with magic damage

And we lose magic damage mitigation

[glacial skiff]

I feel like last stand is pointless, but thunderlord is highly underrated in M+

[slender bison]

End of story

[ionic fern]

Not for Colossus.

Ls is pointless indeed.

[glacial skiff]

in high M+ everyone runs it

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt do what they think it does

[glacial skiff]

or like 90% etc

[lusty grotto]

and they are just copy pasting

its not for damage

its for DR

and its STILL not a good pick

cause you barely TC as colossus

its bad on anything but a top 5 key

[glacial skiff]

if you are not getting your ass beat by a massive pull in a 18+ cinderbrew sure, but at that level your rage is going to IP xd

[slender bison]

Fight through the flames was dead and is still dead

Or deader

[lusty grotto]

what kills you in cinder is the bleed and not managing it

[slender bison]

We remove spell block so now they'll have to pick it for 4% MDR

[lusty grotto]

its incredibly easy to manage too

its not a TL angle

stun, stutter step, bleed stacks gone

[glacial skiff]

logs tell me those melees are what hurt most, but i'm also not running like top world keys

[lusty grotto]

autos? hurting us?

[slender bison]

Bro just press shield block

[glacial skiff]

total damage taken yeah

[lusty grotto]

i mean thats just every log of every key ever

just about every single mob in the game melees

so of course melee damage will be high

if not the highest

but we're prot

thats not our concern with SB

[regal thicket]

I feel that removing so much of blocks (chance and value) and armor just to compensate like 4% DR is quite a nerf to me.

[lusty grotto]

huh

they arent removing chance

and the shield spec nerf will zero out with high ilvl shields

either way its day 1, knobs can be tuned

[slender bison]

Seems they REALLY want us to use Execute next season instead of IP for rage dump

[lusty grotto]

they dont compete

one is off-gcd and the other one isnt

same as ip vs revenge

they dont want us to use execute/revenge instead of IP

they want us to use execute/revenge more than IP

its different

[regal thicket]

Shield spec goes from 12% -> 8% chance
Value still nerfed, but I hope it will bew offsetted by other changes

[lusty grotto]

thats not chance

and i mentioned that nerf

in the line below that one

chance is 100% with SB up

that hasnt changed, there's no other chance you need to worry about

value is NOT chance

and chance is NOT value

so the chance nerf does not matter at all

in fact it very well may not be in that talent

[violet ginkgo]

Ooh new tree? interesting.

[regal thicket]

Since what time added chance doesn't add to critblock?
Or I just live long in the past?

[ionic fern]

Block chance actually goes up. Value goes down.

[lusty grotto]

never did

mastery does

thats it

not in the past, and not ever

[regal thicket]

Now I conserned for my whole fun tanking from MoP to TWW, lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah well if you didnt keep up SB

you were not playing correctly

[pallid quiver]

I think that's my favorite thing in the whole tree

was the block chance buff

[lusty grotto]

i swear that change is entirely based on people that can't keep SB up

[ionic fern]

They actually increased punish to 15 percent from 10.

That's a weird one.

[pallid quiver]

It felt like they were trying to bake in more inherent tankiness to the spec from quick glances

[lusty grotto]

yes thats what it feels like

[pallid quiver]

Whether they achieved that or not, i didn't really care to look at

[lusty grotto]

passive mit all around

or at least the effort to

[slender bison]

You need 3 stacks of punish on big momma before Electrocrush or she deletes you without Spell Block

[ionic fern]

I mean SS damage part.

[ionic fern]

That sounds incorrect.

[vale escarp]

Ypu guys think they will fix dawnbreakr until Season 3 so you wont Drop thought the airships anymore?

[lusty grotto]

i guarantee you they wont

[vale escarp]

Then why picking a Buggy Dungeon

[lusty grotto]

cause people voted for it

[regal thicket]

Then yes, nerf chance without SB is really minor one then.
Block Value is unpleasant still, but itsl like 6-7% nerf of it. Not so much, but with 1 added talent point from going 2 -> 1 talent.
What about armor nerf?

[lusty grotto]

that was the whole voting thing

[ionic fern]

There are no nerfs in there which would hinder your tankiness in any significant way.

Outside of Spell Block being removed.

[pallid quiver]

If we are nerfed, it's pretty minor. As a whole, we might come out worse, but you're gonna be fine unless you desperately needed spell block for something

[slender bison]

I just noticed that now we have Fight through flames + unyielding for a straight 8% magic DR

2 talent points for 8% MDR

[pearl zinc]

you

i trust u

[pallid quiver]

I want to kneejerk say we might technically be worse off on physical damage, but I can't even think of everything off the tree, so

and i'd still say by worse, i mean in literally imperceptible levels

[pearl zinc]

how things in prot land?

ngl kinda shit in ret land

[pallid quiver]

Mwahi earlier said tree's better; I can find the message somewhere

#protection message

[sharp gale]

I woke up, did we lose every capstone and spell block ?

[ionic fern]

We're honestly doing good. Bring back Spell Block and we golden.

Also,tier set tuning please.

[pallid quiver]

Personally, I'm pretty happy design wise with the tree

[ionic fern]

Colossus's tier is heads above MT.

[pallid quiver]

I don't think it's too bad for being future proofed

[pearl zinc]

vlaid, considering the whole feedback thread is full of that request. i hope they do bring back spellblock

[pallid quiver]

Spec seems fine, too; losing a whole ass defensive CD is questionable

[pearl zinc]

same

[pallid quiver]

I think they intended hunker down to replace it

And while adding 10% more DR onto spell reflect is nice,

we're down a whole ass defensive CD

[sharp gale]

I think the replacement is 10% more on SR

[pallid quiver]

Ye, 10% is hunker down

[ionic fern]

That replacement is ass.

[pallid quiver]

It'll make SR feel even better as a minor/medium tier defensive, but like

spell block immuned shit

[sharp gale]

I was happy to read 2 point talent on 2 sec shield block, then I saw the tree

Tbf I’m still excited

[ionic fern]

Same.

[knotty mantle]

execute stonks giga up

[ionic fern]

The AoE execute is juicy.

[pearl zinc]

i like aoe execute

[pallid quiver]

make it full aoe you cowards

[knotty mantle]

I'm happy to see they've further embraced execute on pwarr, have been a big fan to have such a dps centric move on a tank

[ionic fern]

Ya.

[vale escarp]

It would be softcapped at 5 targets anyways

[pallid quiver]

you mean soft min capped; it does more damage the more targets there are past 5

[ionic fern]

It's also funny that MT tier set increases the cpm for that already GCD locked tree.

[sharp gale]

I kinda like that we can finally play that mf counterattack talent

Good side of spell block delete

The question I asked myself since I saw it Why the threat modifier

[pallid quiver]

the problem with TaN is that it's in the LS zone

You have to get LS and TL in order to get TaN

It's 3 points

[ionic fern]

Wait,no it doesn't. It says it grants thunder blast,not that it resets CD. My bad.

[regal thicket]

I wish Execute replace Revenge after 20/35%

[ionic nimbus]

Col Set Looks insanely good

Big numbers inc

[vale escarp]

Just press the other button

[ionic fern]

It does in ST and also in low count AoE?

Now even higher count of AoE due to the new talent.

[sharp gale]

Yeah I need to play lil bit with the tree, but since there is so few talents left after spending all the points now

[ionic fern]

Funny thing is that you play roughly the same build in m+/raid with few flex points.

[vale escarp]

There arent any nerfs to other damage abilitys, so we should deal even more damage?

[sharp gale]

Like now, so…..

[ionic nimbus]

Interested in PTR M+

[sharp gale]

The armor maybe

I saw few down left and right, but better def stance somewhere

[mortal cypress]

"New Talent: Red Right Hand – Execute damage increased by 15%."

Interesting name...

[knotty mantle]

they know the playerbase

[ionic nimbus]

So they should know the reactions to removing spellblock before

[knotty mantle]

It's because the original dev who cooked up spell block is still in the mountains cooking up the next crazy shakeup for us

he'll come back and give us mass spell reflect, 2 charges

I had a vision

we'll also get safeguard back too and 30% rally in dungeons

[ionic nimbus]

Skullbanner

[knotty mantle]

skull banner.... 😭

I do think it's funny how their solution to spellblock being hard to understand was to just axe it entirely and replace it with w/e tf those new magic dr talents are

[vale escarp]

And necro banner as a talent

[knotty mantle]

instead of... make spellblock more consistent

[ionic nimbus]

Would prefer aftershock with no cap. As Colossus with knockup would be insane cc

[vale escarp]

Aftershock should be a col talent choice, picking it or shockwave with knock up

[rancid tiger]

Aa i miss u

[knotty mantle]

I did like lategame SL banner where you were just running around with nutso banner uptime

but AA animation going into the trash bin is criminal

[rancid tiger]

We lost aa kept spear fml

[knotty mantle]

I have fond memories of early SL spear in pvp

[violet ginkgo]

I guess with the new tree there is more solid execute build?

[knotty mantle]

drop the spear hit your swifty 1 shot macro receive rating

[rancid tiger]

Juggernsut is gone sonexe is just exe?

[violet ginkgo]

jugg is gone but I guess easier access to grab the other execute talent? although yeah for single target losing jugg quite big.

[slender bison]

These two have been boosted. Will probably be critical for self healing as keys go higher. FvB was already strong this season.

[violet ginkgo]

I notice shield charge now also just a shield charge no improvement talent.

[slender bison]

Yeah, but now you have 2 talents for 8% flat MDR

And SC was merged with the Shield Block effect into one talent

Anyway, field testing without Spell Block will be challenging.

[violet ginkgo]

Oh wait! true we lost spellblock

[slender bison]

We have at least 4 heavy magic damage dungeons. No idea how you tank Priory undead guy without Spell Block without yelling "HEAL HELP ME"

[violet ginkgo]

oh noes that was one of the best mitigation

[slender bison]

Unless they improved healer ST snap healing next season? No idea

[violet ginkgo]

Maybe... take the spell reflection talent for extra 10% MDR then spam the Spell Reflect

[bleak breach]

FBV sucks currently

[violet ginkgo]

I know not as strong as spellblock but still, better than nothing

[slender bison]

You cant "spam" Spell Reflect as it does not have any CDR. You just have to decide if you wanna reflect or use it as MDR

[rancid tiger]

Well mdr it is then

[slender bison]

Nah, just sucks in low density dungeons. More mobs = more healing. And as keys go hiher, your IP is depleted in under 1 GCD, so Brutal Vitality misses lots of times.

[violet ginkgo]

at least the CD for SR is about 20-25 secs right? it's not a very long CD, not short either but still.

[ionic nimbus]

Syncs with Col Tier aswell

[knotty mantle]

doesn't feel long when u dont need it, feels like eternity when u do lmao

[bleak breach]

FBV with buff and a few factors should be reasonable though

[rancid tiger]

Spellblock gone, is kindda nuts ngl

[vale escarp]

Tbh just jump on the train and tell it to blizzard, maybe they listen

[slender bison]

Brutal Vitality falls off this season in 14-15s once your IP gets deleted too fast and you prefer to spend rage on something else (like Revenge/Exe). FvB is consistent passive healing.

So prob Brutal Vitality will be good again in S3 low keys and switch to FvB + Bloodborne (225% damage of deep wounds is great)

[rancid tiger]

Thane angle?

[vale escarp]

Does the new shadowmeld Pot share cooldown with damage pots?

[pallid quiver]

this argument completely falls apart for next season when you consider that brutal vit applies for the next ip you cast

[slender bison]

2p: Thunder Blast has a 35% chance to call down 5 Ionizing Strikes on affected targets. Each strike deals (20.68% of Attack power) Nature damage.
4p: Ionizing Strikes deal 50% more damage and have a 20% chance to grant a charge of Thunder Blast.
Kinda weird that it does not boost Shield Slam or a core rotation ability, basically TB <-> Ionizing strikes proc each other and do damage.

Colossus does boost Shield Slam. Coupled with Violent Outburst you'll have some giga Shield Slam crits windows

[rancid tiger]

Yeah col prots gonna get. Bonked

[slender bison]

Demolish increases the critical strike chance of your next 2 Shield Slams by 100%. Shield Slam critical strikes increase your Rend and Deep Wounds damage by 100% for 8 sec.
This is basically giga Fuel By Violence from above boosted. Its insane comparing to Thane

Hope they re-tune the numbers

[rancid tiger]

Col prots gonna do dps like numbers

[slender bison]

Or Thane gets Shield Slam resets or something. Else Colossus is giga overtuned vs Thane. This season both were reliable until 17s

[sharp gale]

yes every boring capstones are deleted (every capstones)

[slender bison]

And Demolish has CDR, so more Shield Slam giga windows and giga healing via FvB

[rancid tiger]

Smells sexy

[slender bison]

The MT vs Colossus in S3 is not even be a discussion. But it's day 1, lets see what they change

[rancid tiger]

Fvb = we the new bdk???

[violet ginkgo]

still I didn't expect spellblock got deleted too

[bleak breach]

No lol

[rancid tiger]

More mobs more defense

🤪

[slender bison]

Unless Thane loses damage ST from lack of SS tier bonus and gets giga AoE TB/Ionizing lightning stuff >30% or something

[bleak breach]

You’d barely notice the healing but it would be something

[sharp gale]

monk is new bdk

they put necropolis on them

[rancid tiger]

Monk needed it

[sharp gale]

how to fix this tank : they take less damage when low, hop fixed

[rancid tiger]

Give em a tier idx

[hot orbit]

Next season less rage gen?

[rancid tiger]

Then i get my dmg buff

[ionic nimbus]

Worse than loosing spellblock is the design of our tier set

Thats disgusting

[sharp gale]

why would we have less rage

yes tier sets are meh, i hope animations on thane one is 🔥

[violet ginkgo]

on the contrary it could be higher if we take both the instigate and bloodsurge

[slender bison]

All I'm worried with Spell Block removal is that we'll be much less competitive in mid-high keys. "Oh, a prot? Needs babysitting by the healer. Let's wait for a BM/VDH brb smoke"

[hot orbit]

It s a question. With the current tier bonus we ve a shield charge cd reduction and even it s little thing, it s more rage.

[sharp gale]

you will have more haste

• the ravager proc gives rage i guess

[slender bison]

I'm a 3.4k Thane this season, but ill go back to Colossus I guess. Less fun, but the 4p tier set + FvB giga buff is enough for the switch.

[hot orbit]

I hope 😆

[sharp gale]

yes +++++ no one knows if we still play colossus next season

so you would have more rage just by being thane

[slender bison]

Check the tier sets vs Thane. We already know

[ionic fern]

With current tuning it's definitely Colossus angle.

[sharp gale]

i will not check values the first week of ptr

[ionic fern]

But still early ,so you'll never know

[slender bison]

I just hope the ST damage between Colossus and Thane is not bigger than 10%

[sharp gale]

i think it is not bigger than 10% rn

[slender bison]

What's annoying is that Colossus has the Deep Wounds boost, which is generic healing boost for both hero specs. Making it more durable than Thane in high keys

[strong forum]

Also has the 20% IP boost

[slender bison]

Anyways, day 1

[slender bison]

That too

[strong forum]

And if they make demolish work with BrV

It's eta gg

[sharp gale]

yes col has the better def this patch

ptr is not up ?

[torn gust]

it is

[slender bison]

I mean, Thane set has feedback loop between TB and Lightning pew-pews. While Colossus also has Shield Slam crits (which work amazing with the generic prot tree) + free healing via FvB

[sharp gale]

i had server is closed when i tried to log my char, i'll retry

[warm fern]

Thane has execute damage, might come in handy?

[sharp gale]

you need to cast 20% more IP to have the same IP than col

so the pew pew feedback loop, just to equal 1 talent of the other

i hope the tier set proc thunderblast almost all the time

[jagged pier]

It needs to be buffed

[frosty mango]

ptr went down so I begged some poor raid group to take my tiny bear into heroic

all the rank 1s

[frosty mango]

servers went down before I could test

but colossus prob still ahead at current tuning

[sharp gale]

they came down bc i woke up and tried to test prot war

[strong forum]

ye and fuckall dmg

[slender bison]

Demolish increases the critical strike chance of your next 2 Shield Slams by 100%. Shield Slam critical strikes increase your Rend and Deep Wounds damage by 100% for 8 sec.
This is insane. Basically, if you play Fuel by Violence + Bloodborne you have 325% healing from Deep Wounds in the Demolish window after you consume the Shield Slams over 16 sec. Plus remember that Demolish has CDR too.

[strong forum]

question is

if the SS crits amp deep wounds on just your target

or on all targets

[sharp gale]

some dude were right

we are bdk now

[slender bison]

You just SS crit + cast Revenge and it should amp it.

[strong forum]

you never know

[sharp gale]

i bet the proc chance is not for each ionizing strike ?

[slender bison]

In comparison, this season we had FvB healing of 110% of Deep Wounds. Now you get 225% baseline or 325% as Colossus in certain windows

[strong forum]

fbv was actually only 85%

🙂

[slender bison]

Oh. Bug. Right

[ionic nimbus]

We r getting teddybear? More heal the bigger the pull gets?

[slender bison]

Seems so. Thane would have to compete either via big Execute spams or those Lightning pew-pews from 4p need to be consistent. Anyway, day 1

[bleak breach]

we haven't got any aura buffs/nerfs yet so who knows

like demolish could get a big nerf and colossus could suck

[slender bison]

Colossus or Thane we will still get deleted by BigMomma/Priory Undead paladin/Halls casters in 2 GCDs without Spell Block

Oh, and Dawnbreaker

[ionic nimbus]

Dawnbreaker will be hard without SB

[jagged pier]

Literally any dungeon will be harder

[hollow coyote]

What’s happening to SB

[bleak breach]

goneeeeee

[ionic nimbus]

Spellblock is gonzo

[charred sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

[hollow coyote]

Damn

I liked it

[sharp gale]

10 % more on Spell reflect will be enough

[ionic nimbus]

Would be happy with a weaker version of it with higher (permanent) uptime, like ppal

[jagged pier]

It makes SR as strong as mark of ursol which was disgusting in legion

But mark did have a .5 second cd

So not quite the same

[hollow coyote]

Did they replace with anything?

[charred sonnet]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=1235023/spellbreaker

[jagged pier]

Hunker down is better imo

[frosty mango]

@undone beacon am I doing it right

[slender bison]

4% RNG magic immune or 10% MDR to Spell Reflection

[jagged pier]

Welcome to a new patch day

[frosty mango]

nah thats ilvl parse because im like 648 lol

[vivid orchid]

4% for 100% may well read the other way round: 4% DR avg.

[jagged pier]

Its also a new patch

[vivid orchid]

and you can't rely on it

[sharp gale]

spellbreaker is for magic dots i guess

[jagged pier]

Thw thing that was goid about spell block is u know what it works on and what it doesnt

Rng stuff is just bs

[frosty mango]

not only rng, but 4%

[jagged pier]

But tbh they just need to remove this talent

[frosty mango]

like its comical they even added it

lol

[charred sonnet]

probably right

[vivid orchid]

they put it there to roadblock anger management

[jagged pier]

It blocks AM i would never take it otherwise because its worthless

[slender bison]

Yes and no? If it doesnt proc when it needs to, you brick the key. Can't go in a 15 key after dying saing "Sorry guys, my SPELLBREAKER did not proc. GG nice try. Resil?" Other tanks have self sustain.

[jagged pier]

Replace that with spell block

[bleak breach]

yeah, that's rubbish

[vivid orchid]

thats literally my point

[sharp gale]

i saw, it is choice node with SR 10%,so i will never take

[charred sonnet]

Yeah im checking the tree rn

The other is much better

[jagged pier]

As i said imo hunker down is just better

30% dr on a 20sec cd is big

[sharp gale]

i can't believe it's 5 ppm

[slender bison]

This will be high keys swap I swear

[sharp gale]

don't take 15% execute talent

nor aoe execute

i think if you don't play sudden death, you don't go on that road

[sharp merlin]

Is this expac only 3 seasons?

[sharp gale]

yes

i dont think we get a fated one

[jagged pier]

Why take throight the flames the armour is just better because of all the strength and armour talents we have

6% armour is big

[slender bison]

Is it? Seems like a noob trap. You have 200k armor this season, the 6% would reduce damage by what? 1%?

Plus heavy casters dungeons will get you killed. Not less armor

Anyway, wanted to point out BsV point. Not "my talent tree day 1" thing

[sharp gale]

and you don't have either instigate or bloodsurge

[slender bison]

Why? I'm Thane

[sharp gale]

oh it's thane x)

[slender bison]

JK, i'm currently unsubbed.

[sharp gale]

yeah dw, i would have thunderlord if thane

[jagged pier]

We have talents like armoured to the teeth which gives strength based on armour

[slender bison]

Idk, the free TBs from 4p might offset the less frequent Demo cries

[sharp gale]

and idk if i would take best serve cold as thane

it is still a choice node with disrupting in my mind when i see the tree

[jagged pier]

That would be mine initially

[bleak breach]

ohhh in aoe you can drop multiple ravager at once lol

[jagged pier]

Got a float point

[bleak breach]

i just had one on each dummy

[slender bison]

Yes. But see how much is 2% STR out of 6% armor. It's literally 240 strength.

[vivid orchid]

it recurses once as well

[jagged pier]

Strength is strength

[frosty mango]

why you arguably get more out of it as thane

8% boost to thunder blast

[slender bison]

Its 1 talent point in a patch where we would have 50k strength from various procs and whatnot

[sharp gale]

mine for thane first week (10% SR will be push)

disrupting bc pug

[frosty mango]

I think if they fix tough as nails it’s maybe worth

[slender bison]

Curious on what will you do with all that rage if not Execute?

[frosty mango]

Otherwise no shot

[sharp gale]

Ignore PAIN

[lilac widget]

finally hit 680 ilvl

know thats nothing to some people but for me ( whose always been a bit casual) feels like a big achieve

[slender bison]

Missing out on tons of damage. But let us know on stuff if you're fooling around on PTR

[lilac widget]

also i wish the belt hadnt come out quite yet so i could have done it without it 😦

felt a bit cheap

[sharp gale]

you can't execute before 35% or sudden death, might see a play with long ass pulls but it costs 3 points

[frosty mango]

The aoe execute thane setup felt like shit to play

To me

[sharp gale]

i'm trying to LOG ffs

[frosty mango]

Omelette du fromage?

[slender bison]

Thane's poor man's Revenge

[frosty mango]

It just feels too busy

[sharp gale]

i want to check if tier set is 20% chance per ionizing strike

[frosty mango]

You’re wedging in sudden death procs that’s fine but then you’re like constantly tab targeting trying to execute mobs

[jagged pier]

Nah swap tough for sr honestly

[frosty mango]

The damage seems ok enough but it feels like ass to play imo

[bleak breach]

just go super sweaty

[jagged pier]

Thats good and all

But our tier set effects bleeds

[sharp gale]

it will be for 2s - 10s the first week, i don't need it

[jagged pier]

Fair

[frosty mango]

Plus the new execute aoe talent really doesn’t solve the main problem execute has in m+ which is nothing lives long enough for it to generate value

[jagged pier]

Well we dont have jugg so execute does because better as it will always do the same

Kinda

[sharp gale]

it costs a shit ton of talents

[frosty mango]

Yeah but your spending 4 talents for a skill that scales in reverse

[slender bison]

This is Fuel by Violence + Bloodborne season for Colossus in this current set

[frosty mango]

As group dps goes up your dps goes down

• a lot*

[jagged pier]

But with demolish tier set dropping bloodbourne for the execute sruff just seems eh. In raid maybe but in m+ for fun keys sure

[bleak breach]

you not my dad

[jagged pier]

Push keys those points can be used else where for sure

[frosty mango]

Yeah given what we see here I think Colo bleed still wins

[sharp merlin]

ahahahh cries in year sub

[frosty mango]

And that’s what I also found in practice on ptr

Once first tuning round goes out I’ll start doing like real testing with logs

[sharp merlin]

I don't do PTR, if I do, I burn out REAL quick during the season

[slender bison]

@frosty mango but if you dont have Exec, not much to dump rage into as Thane in low/mid keys at start of season. Cant spam IP forever. Some ST cleaved damage is better than no damage. Prob my thought process. As colossus is different story. Still some value for bosses.

[sharp gale]

i think they are going for thane in raid maybe

with execute

[bleak breach]

that floater build is probably the go Jakey

colossus will just beat thane everywhere as per usual

thane still gonna be mid

[frosty mango]

Pretty sure as damage ramps up you can def full send ip

[slender bison]

Colossus 4p vs Thane 4p difference is insane. Hope they tweak it.

[jagged pier]

I mean theres more point can drop LS if u want can drop hunker down in low keys etc

Can take BSV in high keys

[bleak breach]

😮

[frosty mango]

I begged for bsv to be an active

They won’t listen

But I’ll keep asking

[bleak breach]

they should put tough as nails where unyielding stance is and just remove that nothing talent

or combine it into something else

[frosty mango]

Tough as nails should be baked into the block talent in the middle

[jagged pier]

No u jist put spell block there

[slender bison]

The main problem we will have is that 5 dungeons are packed with magic damage and no Spell Block. Feeling uneasy about PUG competitivity with other tanks

[jagged pier]

Its a mandatory point anyway

Tree fixed if they do

[sharp gale]

100% spell block on unyielding

it is same row as Shield wall

[jagged pier]

@lusty grotto post the thing

[frosty mango]

Last stand gives you spell block?

[jagged pier]

Nah thats 2 talent points u would never go that way

[sharp gale]

last stand is your new spell block the moment they deleted spell block

[bleak breach]

last stand sucks

[sharp gale]

yes but every situations you press SpB

you will press last stand now

[jagged pier]

Unyeilding stance and sw on the same row but being no where equal is dumb u jist swao unyeilding with soell block we dont feel bad we have to spend a talent point to get AM and we dont loose a defnesive

[slender bison]

"Dawnbreaker ++14 no pwar"

[sharp gale]

and delete last stand if we need a sacrifice

[jagged pier]

Like if unyeilding was somewhere else i would never take it like literally never take it

Its so trash

[bleak breach]

they could've literally just nerfed spell block to 10s or 15s

[vivid orchid]

30s was long enough to bridge entire cast sequences yeah

[slender bison]

What's interesting is that they added "2% Avoidance" to ...a tank. Like lmao

The Hunker Down thing is probably more consistent than the 4% RNG one

[jagged pier]

U take hunker down for the extra 10% not avoidance that doesnt even need to be on it

[slender bison]

And healer will just have to suck it up and spam you with Flash Heals

[slender bison]

Yes. I was talking about the 2% meme thing

[karmic plinth]

dont worry they will cook something insane for spellbreaker

[slender bison]

I'm not even sure how you can measure Spellbreaker on PTR in order to have data for the devs. Like Details will have total damage negated?

[sharp gale]

my cook

[slender bison]

To measure +10% to SR vs 4% for 100% negate

[jagged pier]

I mean 4% dr of magic damage on average

But it might only mitigate the small damage for instance

Not the big hits so it would be less

[sharp gale]

this spell has been tagged so you can't negate it ahh

[slender bison]

Kinda pointless you get it proc when targeted by Priory mage but 0 procs at the Paladin guy. We lose control because someone said that warrior has too many buttons

And M+ is about having the right CDs at the right time, not that 4% overall DR, means healer had to heal 4% less

Imagine having same gear/skill tanks. One bricks FL key because it failed to proc Spellbreaker at big momma. Other guy times it because it did

[sharp gale]

pwar has a def cd outlier, but it is last stand imo

[hardy snow]

2 procs per minute, 727ilvl 1M absorb, new cloak so powerful

[strong forum]

[ionic nimbus]

1mil… we will have about 20??

[slender bison]

I dont know. Last Stand seems outdated. They keep it only to fix mistakes for new players and ... warrior roleplay. In a M+ world where you can die in 1.5 GCDs raw HP looses value. Cant remember last time I used it

Oh yea, to remove affix in week 2 of the season

[sharp gale]

i use it in raid for shield block, and on gathering in m+

but it is very rare

you remove the affix with impeding victory

[slender bison]

I'm unsubed and can't post on the EU forum

[hardy snow]

no problem, they dont care about eu anyway

[slender bison]

Touché

[waxen quarry]

BRO WHAT

JUGG REMOVED???

[hardy snow]

yes, no more execute fun in raid

[waxen quarry]

thats not how it works

u lost a lot of execute damage now you gotta get it back

from losing jugg

or maybe they want to nerf it on st and buff it on aoe with heavy handed

whihc honestly i dont mind

[jagged gust]

Didn't notice the giga buff to FBV

[slender bison]

+100% giga buff on Colossus 4p - brown class is now bdk

[jagged gust]

Also fuck spell block, hunker down ftw

[waxen quarry]

spell block dead

man rework arms

give it a little rework like this

please blizzard remove jugg from arms now

[strong forum]

damn

with this new tree we still just 100% emulate the old one

nothing changes except we lose spellblock

but atleast we got some choices now

[jagged gust]

I'm loving the new spec tree got dang

[strong forum]

we can actually play execute talents without cucking our defensiveness ye

[waxen quarry]

based

[slender bison]

Battle shout no CD, we'll scream more at least when Spell breaker doesn't proc

[waxen quarry]

and jugg is dead

[strong forum]

took long enough

[waxen quarry]

execute damage increased by 25% incoming

[waxen quarry]

arms jugg is next i hope

[vital vale]

i like how the thing they claim to make spell block confusing, is the exact thing that makes regular block confusing, as well as spell reflection. are they gonna remove reflection too because they cant bother to put a nameplate cast bar icon on spells that can be blocked or not

[echo egret]

Bring back Halls of Atonement, remove spellblock. Is that a slap in the face ?

[waxen quarry]

you have like 9 times more defensives now compared to sl

[vital vale]

and yet spell block was still needed this season

and will be next season

if the damage was only situated in the buster periods then fine, we can allocate regular defensives, but there is too much damage going on that the spell block window is the only thing you sometimes have to recouperate

[jagged gust]

SR is getting kinda thick tho

[vital vale]

10% more wont do much

its nice tho

[ionic nimbus]

Disrupting shout will help a lot. Additionally we have short CD shockwave with knockup. We will be much better than in SL

[vital vale]

a 4% rng defensive tho is the laziest thing they could have come up with, and serve no use for a tank kit

[vital vale]

disrupting shout is great, but it wont help against many deadly things

[strong forum]

blizz never beating the "no clue what to do with pwar" allegations

block in particular

its too broken to be left alone

but they dont have solutions either

[waxen quarry]

no clue what to do with warriors

in general

[strong forum]

real

[waxen quarry]

they dont know if they want us to do nothing and just do damage and be unkillable or actually give us something

especially arms i feel like

half the spec is disconnected

[ionic nimbus]

It’s good to control the caster packs. For last boss in hoa spellblock won’t help anyways

[waxen quarry]

like rend

what does rend do

[jagged gust]

it stops you from having to press Slam again

[waxen quarry]

wdym

[strong forum]

does it

🙂

[ionic nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-really-little-girl-gif-1946839472870789324

[waxen quarry]

im afraid it doesnt

rend literally serves no purpose anymore

[ionic nimbus]

Dmg

[jagged gust]

Well basically, instead of pressing slam 5 times in a row, sometimes you press slam 4 times then refresh rend

[ionic nimbus]

Passive via TC

[strong forum]

tc more wurf

[ionic nimbus]

You r talking about Arms right?

[waxen quarry]

id rather

ms did more damage

over 5 minutes new ms does old ms + rend damage ngl

[jagged gust]

yeah, n was referencing rend in arms

[ionic nimbus]

Now i get it

[jagged gust]

and I was joking it's literally only there to break the monotony of bad rng

[ionic nimbus]

Spamming Slam was a bit suz

[jagged gust]

Hmm there might be a reason my comedy career never took off...

[sweet summit]

is spell block like actually shot or

[jagged pier]

Its shot right now might come back

[sweet summit]

lol

lmao even

what are these cringe ahh rng fiesta talents

4% chance to deflect magic damage

[sharp gale]

oph fuck it's in french

brb

[lime mantle]

Just invest in luck, always have it trigger when it is relevant 🙂

[spring cedar]

OAB ring bis now

+1 ring for proc on big hits

[sweet summit]

let's go gambling

big fan of the tough as nails change tho

[sharp gale]

tell your guild you can solo tank if you believe

[sharp gale]

they removed the internal cd

[sweet summit]

and make crit block slightly more cool

mastery value through the roof!!!!

[sharp gale]

just the remove of 0.5 icd is huge for the talent but i was preparing to test it, until i noticed my game is in french

[hardy snow]

it was already like that, just not in the description

[sweet summit]

still good

[hardy snow]

but postion of nails is bad, and also its not that strong, ive checked my last floodgate 14, it would do around 41-42M dmg overall, while I did 3.7B

[sweet summit]

I haven't looked at positions yet so idk anything

[sharp gale]

trinkets are interesting

[spring gazelle]

Hey Guys,
Im often getting in trouble with Big Momma in Floodgate.
Anyone has Tips/Strats against this mob in Keys 14+?

[strong forum]

use cooldowns on the tankbuster

coordinate who kills adds

and who burns during dmg window

[spring gazelle]

Its clear that i need to use Cooldowns for the Tankbuster, but getting more into this:
I try to get up Shield Wall for every Buster with the Skill or in Combination with Avatar. Is there anything other that's helping well?
Im thinking about Spell Reflection because of the 25% Dmg reduction.

[strong forum]

well yeah

you use SR almost on CD

same with holding demo for it

you have SR for every buster

demo for every other

same with SW

[spring gazelle]

Ah okay, i didnt use Demo so far for that. Thanks i'll try

[strong forum]

spellblock doesnt work on the dot tankbuster leaves

but iirc it works on the initial hit

so thats also something to plan around

[spring gazelle]

Im suffering mostly from the direct hit 😄

Does Shield Block do anything on the Tank Buster?

[strong forum]

is that a serious question

[spring gazelle]

Yeah bec i do not really know if the Buster counts as an melee

[strong forum]

to block with spellblock

you need block up

to block you need shield block

now ive written block so often that it looks weird

[sharp gale]

and you can simple block more than just melees

a.k.a most phys damage stuff ( most, i said most)

[spring gazelle]

We were Talking about SR werent we? 😄

So im having Shield Block up all the Time, not to dicuss that.
Was like a general Question to this specific Tankbuster

[strong forum]

for that specific thing

block only matters to spellblock the hit

but its a pure magic hit

[spring gazelle]

Check

[sharp gale]

for big momma you have Shield wall from either the cd or avatar, Spell block, Last stand, demo shout, in every case you will Spell reflect anyway

it's more what do you use with spell reflect / usually i don't count it as a def cd in my mind, in my questions bc it has so low cd

[spring gazelle]

I will press SR every Tankbuster from now, wasnt doing that.
I was just relying on my Shield Wall, but only that doesnt worked out for me.

[inland garnet]

Hey, some good stuff in the 11.2 ptr and some not very good.
Let's make sure the feedback is delivered so they can fix the latter?
Looks like the interns were involved in the Spell Breaker talent, Enduring Defenses 2p talent and other mighty stuff...

[sharp gale]

unless you have reflects to do, use SR on almost every tankbuster yeah, but you need to think you have to press something more

[spring gazelle]

Yeah of course, SR wont help me enough alone.
I think my fail was that i didnt use Demo Shout enough. And maybe optimize my Shieldwall Timing
But yeah its like the only Boss i really have trouble with and died often.

[sharp gale]

press def cd on tank buster is something required very late in keys ik

[sharp gale]

i don't an huge issue with 2p enduring defense, i was even happy before i saw where it was

[spring gazelle]

I dont know, i was trying to do that even in low Keys.
But Momma feels the most unforgiving with that 😄

[sharp gale]

if unforgiving means you need to press a def cd, yeah it is quite late in learning keys that bosses starts to kill you

[unborn island]

So are they removing Spellblock from paladins as well?

[mild river]

not that i know

[unborn island]

Of course not, they're probably also giving them bloodlust

[slender bison]

Happy for no CD Battle Shout. Now we can scream in anger when KeyBreaker doesn't proc at BigMomma

[trim estuary]

Congrats, Prot is VDH now

Oh, you didnt parry when gathering? Guess you die

[slender bison]

Prot Colossus is actually BDK now with 4p gear

[shy python]

Where can we see the prot changes in a clean form?

[slender bison]

#updates-midnight message

[shy python]

CLEAN.
that wowhead post is the opposite of that 😅

[slender bison]

Idk, clear enough with diff. Its PTR day 1, dev patch notes TBD

[shy python]

Thought wowhead was faster 😎

[meager quail]

You’ll just have to block out the memories of the time you wrote block so many times. Hopefully this ping helps and I don’t get blocked for it 😉

[unborn island]

Yeah I can imagine these changes are gonna get heavily altered as we go through the PTR cycle. They utterly broke prot at the start of last PTR cycle, so let's see

On the flip side, interesting theory crafting as to what the breakpoint might be to only use 1 point in enduring defenses?

[karmic plinth]

2 points ED is one of my least favourite parts

if u ever wanna take enduring alacrity or focussed vigor u just have to burn 2 points

[strong forum]

have to burn 2 points

[karmic plinth]

ye i think ed being a 2 pointer stinks so bad

[strong forum]

shield spec instead only costs 1 point

so its a nil change

and we dont have to play SD or Bloodborne

neither are we forced into challenging shout anymore

cuz its baseline

i have trouble pathing downwards already

WITH SPENDING 2 points on ED

already struggling to path down

cuz theres nothing i really want

[cunning reef]

Does anyone know if fueled by vengeance is bugged on ptr? it's healing some extreme mounts lol

[strong forum]

define extreme

if you do 100k dmg with deep wounds, you should be healed by 200k

if you have 4pc buff it should heal by 400k

[cunning reef]

Well I haven't tried a key, just pulled cinderbrew on heroic and its healing me for for 2mil hps

[strong forum]

"gigantic pull with 3495309845734859 mobs"

ofc an uncapped dot is gonna heal alot then

lol

[cunning reef]

Doesn't feel like it does half that on live though :3

[karmic plinth]

it feels a bit weird with the stated goal of "less required lock in points" and now you're in a situation where you are spending 2 points to get what you used to get for one (although i do get it with shield spec coming out as a net neutral)

[cunning reef]

Even though it is literally half on live

[strong forum]

correct

cuz its more than twice on ptr

its 85% (cuz bug) on retail

[cunning reef]

Isn't it 110% on live?

Oh

[strong forum]

and if you are testing with new tierset

you actually heal for 400%

as colossus

cuz it buffs deep wounds dmg by 100%

so on ptr FbV should do 250->500% more healing than on retail

[cunning reef]

That is pretty wild, didn't think of that

[sharp gale]

You mean, you have to choose ??? Madness.

[strong forum]

its not really choosing

its moreso filler nodes

cuz they nerfed best served cold

colossus lost a ton of aoe dmg with this tree

[sharp gale]

And there is no more icd on the nails talent

[karmic plinth]

do you not think the 20% increase proc rate for revenge! is worth it

[strong forum]

no...

cuz instead of 3 procs you get 4 per minute

OMG

so big

BSC dead talent for colossus

[sharp gale]

Damn thane in raid might have his place with those executes

[strong forum]

absolutely will

but imagine

if colossal might worked still with execute

• 3 target execute

THE STACKS

[cerulean tusk]

Why imagine something fun? Fun would be detected, you know

[hardy snow]

its not, cause shield spec is now weaker

[sharp gale]

I really like the cleave execute not giving a buff to execute itself, so if it’s ST boss, you get a free point

[strong forum]

shield charge also has champions bulwark baked into it now

it is less rage gen tho

and battering ram is just gone

which is pretty bad for rage gen

we defo lost a good chunk of rage gen

[sharp gale]

There is no dungeon on the ptr ? The tp guy is empty

[cerulean tusk]

From what I have seen, thanks to there being less "must have", it is a lot easier to move talents about.

I kinda like that

[strong forum]

you get more choice now yes

as you actually arent hard locked into spending points on bullshit

like challenging shout

[cerulean tusk]

Now, I am suuure the Devs will buff us in short order to make up for the loss

[strong forum]

no clue

gotta see how dmg pans out

[sharp gale]

nerf OF and prot

[solid sun]

Are they going to buff us by giving us spell block back

[strong forum]

🎱

[cerulean tusk]

Maybe they plan to bake spell block into passive mastery

[strong forum]

we are also significantly nerfed by focused vigor and enduring alacrity just being MUCH MUCH weaker

like

[karmic plinth]

i'm still holding copium for merciless bonegrinder or unhinged or am working on ravager

[strong forum]

SIGNIFICANTLY weaker

[sharp gale]

The basic icon of the stat node gives me hopium about spell block,

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, but... Spell breaker tho

[strong forum]

those 2 talents alone are like 10% less stam, and 7% less armor

[sharp gale]

But I know deep it will never come back

[strong forum]

like overall

this tree IS a big nerf

[muted valve]

is this a good wrist for protection or should i prefer wrists that give status like the wrist crafted

[strong forum]

awful

awful wrists

[sharp gale]

Bad, you can’t even macro this smh

[solid sun]

I anticipated a damage nerf

I did not expect a nerf to a lot of other things

[cerulean tusk]

I did not, damage is the only thing we bring

[strong forum]

this is a very sneaky nerf

a very large one at that

significantly less revenge dmg

significantly less str/armor/stam from talents

no spell block

no battering ram

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, it is to be expected that there would be positive and negative tuning, based on how these new talent moves the needle

[strong forum]

absolutely

we're still like 6+ weeks away from 11.2

[cerulean tusk]

I am sureeee the Devs will make sure we are buffed up

[strong forum]

time will tell

for now

the layout is a lot more satisfactory

[cerulean tusk]

So far, it looks good 👍
But I got my hand on the big red doomer9000 button

[sharp gale]

It is good layout but now when I look from far, I take almost every talents of the tree / feeling of smol

[cerulean tusk]

Without spell block, I am sure we get to reflect more stuff

[solid sun]

It doesn’t seem all that good to me if we are struggling to pick nodes down the tree

Unless I’m just misunderstanding what Nome meant

[sharp gale]

Someone lose his job on that

[solid sun]

It’s like going to a buffet but all the dishes are lackluster

[cerulean tusk]

Check the 🧮 yourself, then decide on your own opinion

[sharp gale]

There are no nodes down the tree basically

[hardy snow]

feels like s2ptr dejavu, or ptsd XD

[sharp gale]

🙏

Thane season

I pray colossus doesn’t survive high keys like S1

[solid sun]

More like Insufferable Truth is BiS

Boom

Roasted

[reef sequoia]

As a new Prot, idk if I want to play in a world without spell block lol

[next pasture]

yeah. something needs to change in a big way if anyone wants to do any meaningful dungeon content as prot warrior. shit is cooked. all i can think is they’ll remove magic damage tank busters, or make it so spell reflect actually works on them again.

[cerulean tusk]

We had our meta season, time for the other classes to step up

[warm plinth]

I mean, we got hunker down, which means we have a 20 sec CD 35% magic DR. That's basically like having a magic shield wall on a 20 sec cooldown

[little ermine]

you will and you will like it, like all of us before it came to existence ;p

[solid sun]

I’d just play bear

Turn pwar into the alt

[mild river]

Gonna reroll to dps next season. I'm tired of memorizing every route of every dungeon and learn every mob mechanics. And I'm old now so I just wanna pump next season

[granite pond]

Unfortunately as you get older it becomes harder to pump

But there are pills for it

[sharp merlin]

I find it the other way around, I find tanking way more relaxing than DPS

I also don't wanna play Queue Simulator

Least tanking lets me play the game

[meager quail]

What do you make of the bottom of the tree? Feels kinda boring to me, especially for single target situations. I wouldn't mind seeing a couple more nodes down there but I don't have enough prot war knowledge or experience to know what I would like to see.

[small steeple]

even with all the dead end leaf nods?

also, seems to me there are 2 archtypes present in the tree, execute and bleed

and bleed will probably go Col and execute would be MT

Am I wrong with this?

[round cliff]

nah it's over

warrior dead

switch to brm

[mild river]

How's brewmaster after changes?

[slender bison]

Day 1 side-eye takeaway:

• Colossus 300% + 25% with 4p Deep Wounds is insane when coupled with FbV. With IP it's a BDK 16 seconds after Demolish. Demolish still has CDR so you can fully control feedback loop
• Thane 4p TB - Zip-Zap loopback is proc based. Also FbV will be inferior to Colossus, but still more interesting than Brutal Vitality due to the flat giga buff comparing to S2. However, no idea if each zip-zap procs TB or it has an IC, else Thane is kinda dead. Execute buff is nice for rage dump as Thane, but it's kinda weird since it's only 20-35% of last HP of stuff. Maybe good vs bosses than Colossus? TBD

[topaz latch]

im having a brain fart, what is fvb?

[small steeple]

fueld by violence, Healing from deep wound damage

[topaz latch]

right, the Arms thing

[slender bison]

The prot warr thing

We have it passively when we hit things

[small steeple]

lol what? Its more like a warrior thing, with Fury being th odd one out

[topaz latch]

im kidding, i just use the IP talent on that node

but i use it on arms

[small steeple]

right forgot arms had FbV

too

[topaz latch]

theyre slightly more picky about keeping up their bleeds

[small steeple]

not really, Just thunder clap every 15 seconds for rend, and deep wounds will always be up

[solid sun]

They’re still testing them but their initial comments appear to be quite favorable

[slender bison]

FbV is amazing, maybe not good in Dawnbreaker due to low mob density since you cant giga pull there without getting deleted.

[topaz latch]

i meant like their mastery is just bleed focused, they "lose" more not keeping bleed up

also, im gonna be honest, i didnt think any prot warrs used FbV. prolly more useful on colossus tho. ive gearing my bear for a while so im out of the loop

[small steeple]

FbV has uses in super high keys

and with buff on ptr, might see even more use

[long yarrow]

this work how pasive talent?

[topaz latch]

nice, u happen to know exactly what the buff is off the top of your head?

[small steeple]

from 110% of damage to 200% of damage

[slender bison]

You use FbV in high keys when your IP starts to get deleted in 1 GCD so BV misses its window more often.

[topaz latch]

ah hell ye

[topaz latch]

thank you

[small steeple]

exactly how it sounbds. For every instance of magic damage, there is a 4% chance you take no damage

sucky

[slender bison]

"Sry guys, it didnt proc. Is it resil?" You have been removed from the group

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[slender bison]

This will literally happen at BigMomma/Priory Undead paladin

[solid sun]

Spell breaker plus bsv

To mimic a fraction of spell block’s power

[long yarrow]

4%

have any excel for see when works spell block?

[slender bison]

Pin

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-laugh-lol-lmao-funny-bro-gif-22768932

[torn gulch]

This PTR cycle started exactly the same as the last PTR cycle for us we got nuked

Hopefully they listen at least partially like last time

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/how-come-dont-want-me-man-fresh-prince-gif-14767509

[urban bane]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking about yesterday when people were like "it is the start of PTR why are you so mad" – this happened last time and felt like it was revised only because people responded clearly and frequently

[torn gulch]

That is why our feedback is important this time as well

[solid sun]

It’s a weird situation to me because they claim spell block requires too much knowledge to use well, but they kept spell reflect in. I guess reflect has the DR element so you can just send it when taking magic damage, but most of the ability is very similar to Block and they only axe the one

[cerulean tusk]

Just make spellblock a passive thing, that gots half block value, ez pz

Makes crit block boosting talents useful too

win win

[small steeple]

"rah thats mah prot paladin mastery"

[slender bison]

Yeah, that's just cringe. If they wanna remove weak aura dependency in the future spell reflect would have been the obscure candidate, since you need WA to make it work without a PhD

[cerulean tusk]

Ppaladin can rot

[solid sun]

Ppal has too much utility that requires too much knowledge to use well. Should axe the spec

[torn gulch]

I would ve loved if they just left us the same at this patch no joke

At this point I ll take no changes

[solid sun]

I fully agreed with Roid who I think said something yesterday. I fully anticipated a damage nerf

I didn’t at all expect this other stuff

[karmic plinth]

we have been overdue a rework of our tree for a while now

[topaz latch]

where are you guys finding the new tree?

[torn gulch]

I don t understant the logic behind the armor and hp nerfs

[loud shard]

It's on Wowhead

The new tree

[torn gulch]

Wowhead ptr section

[topaz latch]

ah alright, thank you

[slender bison]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus

[solid sun]

The list Nome compiled of all the things we lose because of this new tree leaves me wishing we would have remained overdue for a tree overhaul

[torn gulch]

We ll try eco dome aldani next week and see how it goes

But in the current form things don t look too good

[solid sun]

Here’s to hoping for some tuning

[sharp gale]

I too anticipated a damage nerf bc it is too far in raid

Even without zug build

[solid sun]

Brewmasters get reworked and are happy. Why didn’t we get the brewmaster team

[mild river]

I was hoping to gain some utility. But now I see this won't be even part of the talking.

[sharp gale]

At least we got a bluepost on pwar design

[torn gulch]

Tbh brewmaster did not have any significant work done to them in a couple of xpacs

[sharp gale]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/protection-warrior-development-notes-for-patch-11-2-ptr-377361

[solid sun]

Yeah I saw that.

[torn gulch]

Our utility is the worst of all tanks more or less

[slender bison]

We have one competitive trait Vs other tanks: damage and mobility vs non VDH. Now we need to either get lucky with KeyBreaker 4% or call out for heal external on magic nukes

[torn gulch]

And they never acknowledge it

[solid sun]

I actually think we have decent utility

[sharp gale]

Nop it is one of the best but disrupting shout + col bump carry lot of our utility

[cerulean tusk]

Spell Breaker is the best defencive in the game, 4% of the time

[slender bison]

Can we call it KeyBreaker until they fix it?

[sharp gale]

For m+ disrupting is the most asked thing in this economy

[mild river]

Hahaha I love it

[frosty mango]

Guys I went to bed and it’s a new day, are we still dooming about spellblock?

[mild river]

Yes

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, new day, new dose of doom

[solid sun]

Only partially

New doom is the tree itself

[frosty mango]

Thanks just needed to figure out where to jump back in

[undone beacon]

New day, no doom only bloom

[frosty mango]

Anyway how dare they

[karmic plinth]

people here will be dooming until we get our next set of patch notesa

[undone beacon]

free ravagers guys

[frosty mango]

I’m hedging my bets with bears

[slender bison]

Also we call it KeyBreaker until they fix it

[solid sun]

Thankfully I have a bear I can play

[undone beacon]

This is the way

[torn gulch]

They can take it away for all i care but we need compensation

[sharp gale]

It does proc very often I feel

[cerulean tusk]

Free? No, it costs you the ability to use ravager on demand!

[sharp gale]

I did solo rookery nm to see few things

[undone beacon]

We're having some interesting discussions in bearcord about bearvoke and the tier sets

15 second lunar beams is fun

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, but we got 10 seconds of insane HPS from bleeds

so hah!

take that bears

[sinful copper]

Hit me up when u can solo rookery 10 with new talent tree

[sharp gale]

If timed is not required

Rn

[sinful copper]

Ofc timed

[solid sun]

Hey @undone beacon

I don’t go to the bear discord because I just ask you bear questions here

[undone beacon]

Fair enough

[slender bison]

establish dominance over the DPS in keys

[solid sun]

I think that means you are the bear discord

[frosty mango]

Pash the bearbridge

[sharp gale]

Yeah and grxl is my monk discord