#protection
chrome falcon
can we start a campaign to give last stand some of the spell block style "long CD but long duration magic damage mit" functionality
round pendant
guess I'll just look at the tree
nocturne spindle
aoe kick yes
wrecking throw was always kinda accessible tbh
just have to give up clap range
chrome falcon
idk why blizzard thinks i'm going to spend 3 talents on last stand
lusty grotto
can we start a campaign to give last stand some of the spell block style "long C...
we should tbh
chrome falcon
because that button is dogshit and i'll quite happily just not play it
nocturne spindle
oh wait
frosty mango
at least from my limited testing current colo build on ptr seems to do about the same dps all things being equal
lusty grotto
at least from my limited testing current colo build on ptr seems to do about the...
nice, keep us posted
im sure Nome will wake up eventually lmao
torn gulch
same dps as thane? or same dps as live
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
at least from my limited testing current colo build on ptr seems to do about the...
I don't really see much actually changing, tbh, performance wise
frosty mango
same dps as thane? or same dps as live
as live
pallid quiver
We'll lose some armor, we lose a major defensive for rotation purposes, some block value, gain some passive DR,
torn gulch
god i so not like playing collosus
round pendant
garbage
sour gulch
Is there a soft cap on haste? I've been just going ilvl and my stats are super skewed
pallid quiver
Best Served Cold is likely weaker overall (no base 10% damage, 20% damage on free revenges down to 15%, but increases proc rate)
frosty mango
Is there a soft cap on haste? I've been just going ilvl and my stats are super s...
yes but not one you will reach
pallid quiver
technically you probably reached one, but doesn't affect value enough
pallid quiver
<:peepohide:841312329424437298>
make my food finish
sour gulch
haste 22.4k mastery 6.7k crit 6.4k vers 4.9k
frosty mango
this is what im playing on ptr, seems even
though I suspect we would drop bloodsurge for disrupting
pallid quiver
we might actually drop enduring alacrity and focused vigor
mighty valley
if you’re not taking anything past last stand, why even take it
pallid quiver
they both lost the armor aspects, and focused vigor gives less strength now
frosty mango
if you’re not taking anything past last stand, why even take it
because a 30% emergency heal is valuable and the alternate options are middling
imo it would be between that and BSV for higher keys
analog lantern
bruh they are removing spell block really though
frosty mango
bruh they are removing spell block really though
no this is all a dream
urban sequoia
Yeah, it feels like these changes are just a straight up nerf to prot warrior?
frosty mango
nerf vs buff is a question of tuning
analog lantern
The developer note commentating on SB removal is wild
mighty valley
assuming it has like, any application at all in the dungeon, I’d take disrupting over last stand
chrome falcon
yeah blizz might just dump random 20% buffs on us last minute and suddenly we're strong again
has happened before, will happen again
frosty mango
assuming it has like, any application at all in the dungeon, I’d take disrupting...
depends on the key, also depending on how tough as nails is tuned we may end up going down to thunderlord to pick it up
though I dont see much value in TL for colossus so it would need to be really good
chrome falcon
i am not going to be happy if tough as nails is so strong that it's worth picking other talents to get it
urban sequoia
The developer note commentating on SB removal is wild
jesus that's an insane reason to remove some of our only magic resistance
frosty mango
i am not going to be happy if tough as nails is so strong that it's worth pickin...
well it would likely be a scenario where we weave clap with revenge due to the best served cold interaction
urban sequoia
"yeah a bunch of peeps didnt know how to use this so we're getting rid of it" 💀
chrome falcon
"yeah a bunch of peeps didnt know how to use this so we're getting rid of it" 💀
it's actually decent reasoning
there's no way of knowing if something is or isn't spell blockable
it's a coinflip based on how blizz put the ability together behind the scenes
mighty valley
pathing is so much more open in this first pass of the new talent tree, it’s a better starting point to tune from
analog lantern
it's a coinflip based on how blizz put the ability together behind the scenes
that's why we have Sense
with a spreadsheet
gg
torn gulch
yes but the vast majority of players won't have access to something like this
the casual players
and that is what blizzard is looking at
urban sequoia
But it seems like they're not compensating the loss at all?
frosty mango
if tough as nails IS good then wed need to choose to drop bloodborne, ravager, or shield charge
lusty grotto
But it seems like they're not compensating the loss at all?
correct
frosty mango
I really dont see that happening
lusty grotto
thats what im arguing about in the feedback post
chrome falcon
the issue is that "oh this ability is inconsistent and annoying to use" is not a good justification to remove one of our most powerful abilities with 0 (basically 0) compensation
frosty mango
it would need to be like disgustingly good
near salmon
Like baking spell block into shield block
torn gulch
the issue is that "oh this ability is inconsistent and annoying to use" is not a...
this happened to a degree at the beginning of last ptr cycle, we cried over the cycle and we got somestuff back
analog lantern
there is like 1 talent to compensate for this ig in their eyes lol?
near salmon
if you maintain shield block, you automatically maintain spell block
frosty mango
the spellblock change is really what we need to focus on
lusty grotto
popped in to remind people to POST POST POST FEEDBACK:
POST POST POST FEEDBACK
NA: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior-class-changes/2119964/1
EU: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior-class-changes/577491
frosty mango
if you maintain shield block, you automatically maintain spell block
no that would be insanely op
analog lantern
popped in to remind people to POST POST POST FEEDBACK:
POST POST POST FEEDBACK
...
cheers will do.
lusty grotto
Like baking spell block into shield block
thats a good suggestion if properly tuned
frosty mango
like it would be the best tank talent bar none lol
chrome falcon
but dont be a dumbass like me and make yourself look like a fucking blood elf mage
lusty grotto
right Roid
mighty valley
if you maintain shield block, you automatically maintain spell block
lol
urban sequoia
we need to be absolute fucking pissbabies to make blizzard give us at least some additional mildly consistent form of magic mitigation >3>
or spell block back
analog lantern
they are even nerfing the "fight through the flames" talent by 2% LOL
guess we just die to casts now
with the addition of spell block removal
mighty valley
hey at least rixxa and spell block are leaving at the same time
analog lantern
think Stonevault casters without spell block yikes
lofty warren
blizz wants spells to murder warriors. i get it
analog lantern
Dawnbreaker without spellblock BIG YIKES !!!
lofty warren
ion is mage main
lusty grotto
ion is a shaman
rain light
ion is shaman main
hybrid peak
Those on PTR, how does whirling blade feel?
lusty grotto
Gurgthock is his shaman
lofty warren
whats the difference its all spell caster
lusty grotto
yeah yeah
sinful copper
do not ask for spell block back
Why can't it just be called spell block but it's a magic version shield wall of some sort, with appropriate tuning? Spell block gives 40% magic Dr for 8 seconds
mighty valley
old people remember “these patch notes prove ghostcrawler is a frost mage”
chrome falcon
Why can't it just be called spell block but it's a magic version shield wall of ...
that's literally just spell reflect
lusty grotto
i 'member
patent osprey
Those who didnt do high keys in shadowlands.. will never understand the pain of halls of attonement… seemed ok with spell block but thats gone…
sinful copper
Nah, spell reflect is weaker. 25% and can reflect
empty spindle
I actually cant believe they removed the one talent that REALLY mattered for warriors and replaced it with a passive rng 😂
sinful copper
Yeah that's why I said closer to shield wall levels of dr
lofty warren
what did blizz give instead of spell black?
frosty mango
in my head I am really thinking that having leech feed into ignore pain
sinful copper
what did blizz give instead of spell black?
Spell white
frosty mango
could do a lot for us
empty spindle
a 4% rng bersion
lusty grotto
what did blizz give instead of spell black?
dogshit replacements
lofty warren
i checked wowhead and dont see the updated talent trees yet
frosty mango
leech is kinda warrior class fantasy and it would definitely fill sustain
lofty warren
in the guides
lusty grotto
i checked wowhead and dont see the updated talent trees yet
there you go
and these are the "replacements"
lofty warren
no that is the blanket one. I want the one that tells me what to pick
frosty mango
giving talents that apply leech and increase leech in the severe short term would give us a neat self-sustain model that doesn't increase cognitive load or feel forced
lusty grotto
ok pepega is being pepega
sinful copper
and these are the "replacements"
Wait, hunker down is pretty decent
lofty warren
who the FAWK cares about leech when you are DEAD due to spell damage
leech floor POV
sinful copper
That's 35% Dr on a very short CD
lusty grotto
its not 35%
frosty mango
or change spellbreaker to make spell reflect absorb spell damage and not reflect
lusty grotto
cause DRs are multiplicative
frosty mango
that could also be neat
sinful copper
It's def additive. So increasing 10% would be 35%
frosty mango
can you check Roid?
yeah but Id need to get into a dungeon
urban sequoia
Okay yeah spell reflect is 20s cd 35% reduction
frosty mango
gotta put the kiddo to bed so I can check after
urban sequoia
esp since targeted casts get reflected and then its gone
frosty mango
analog lantern
and these are the "replacements"
yeah this makes up for losing spell block definitely mmhmm
frosty mango
tooltip says add tho
lusty grotto
ok additive, ty
analog lantern
x_x
chrome falcon
Nah, spell reflect is weaker. 25% and can reflect
yes but my point is that it's functionally the exact same
it's another "short CD bursty magic DR"
we literally have that button already, and are one of the only tanks to do so
we don't need it again
mighty valley
esp since targeted casts get reflected and then its gone
it hasn’t worked like that in five years
sinful copper
esp since targeted casts get reflected and then its gone
No, u get that Dr for the full duration
lusty grotto
spell block could crit block for 100%
i.e. the other talent
and was 60% at the worst
analog lantern
^
urban sequoia
i only came back to prot warrior after taking a break for years xD
lusty grotto
AND lasted longer than SR, WAY longer
empty spindle
@chrome falcon sorry im confused are you saying we dont NEED spellblock?
chrome falcon
no
if i said something that implied that please let me know so i can correct myself
mighty valley
i’m fine with them ripping off the bandaid of the jank inconsistent spell, we just need… something to make up for it. and if they say “this is supposed to be your weakness” then describe the weakness of the other tanks
empty spindle
we do not want spell block back
?
empty spindle
do not ask for spell block back
?
chrome falcon
yes
my point is that currently we need spell block for some things
but spell block is, to put it bluntly, Completely Fucked Up
empty spindle
chrome falcon
half the time it doesn't work and half the time it's the best spell in the game (by a wide margin)
analog lantern
SB is jank but as usual, blizzard removes jank and don't compensate for the loss in mitigation from its removal
chrome falcon
we do not want spell block back, we want a replacement that actually works consistently
sinful copper
AND lasted longer than SR, *WAY* longer
Way longer CD tho. And most of the times, u didn't need spell block for 30s. U just needed CDs to fill the gaps
sinful copper
But it's specifically for tank busters
empty spindle
id rather have something that might work and when it does work its a strong pick then remove it and get nothing in return
chrome falcon
id rather have something that might work and when it does work its a strong pick...
obviously
chrome falcon
i am certainly not advocating for removing spell block with no replacement
empty spindle
blizzard arent going to compensate us
chrome falcon
oh shit
sinful copper
Spell block doesn't work for dots anyway lol
empty spindle
its not dooming
chrome falcon
2 people in the turbo doomer camp
lusty grotto
Spell block doesn't work for dots anyway lol
???????????????
empty spindle
its facts
sinful copper
???????
chrome falcon
oh you're a GIGA doomer lets fucking go dude
empty spindle
when have they ever compensated warriors for removing something LOL
chrome falcon
???????????????
they're correct, spell block doesn't work on aoe or dots, blizz said so
empty spindle
But i remember getting heavily nerfed from heroic tuneing lol
mighty valley
ok. they released patch notes that reworked us and made us weak. then over the course of ptr they did massive compensation buffs and we released very strong
chrome falcon
yeah i know im just referencing the dumb shit blizz said in their own post
mighty valley
the thing you’re saying never happens happened
chrome falcon
^
lusty grotto
oh right
sinful copper
Blizz notes said spell block doesn't work on AOE or periodic damage. Doesn't that mean dots?
lusty grotto
and of course they are wrong
lusty grotto
very normal blizzard bullshit
chrome falcon
on average i think spell block works over on like 80% of aoes
mighty valley
it doesn’t work on MOST dots. sometimes it does. this is like. the problem with the spell lmao
sinful copper
And yes, I don't consistently play pwar. Only played it this season and last season (for a bit). I usually play prot pally or vdh, and almost all the DPS classes
lusty grotto
btw this is a recent example
outside of Sarkareth's Void Claws
also: RIk reverbs pylons
Gally
Gally again
so yeah
fyrakk
lime mantle
At least we got talent tree updates.
How cooked is the spec looking?
lusty grotto
this one isn't even magic damage
lol yea
fluid widget
why dont they just make all boss spells, blockable
lusty grotto
cause its blizzard
chrome falcon
because that would require them to code/tag them all the same
"blockable" is a tag you have to specifically add to a spell
lusty grotto
right
frosty mango
tough as nails for a pull
chrome falcon
and quite often they just don't bother
chrome falcon
sarkareth again
can we just make last stand reduce all periodic damage taken by 30% for its duration
like doesn't that actually fix the issue
pearl zinc
chrome falcon
just add that line of text to unnerving focus
pearl zinc
checking up yall
chrome falcon
and we're chilling ggs?
pearl zinc
how are we feeling
lusty grotto
yeah that would be good
frosty mango
not sure if the crit block part of tough as nails is working
small steeple
tough as nails for a pull
what did you test this on?
torn gulch
ok let's stop with spell block it can die in a corner
small steeple
live or ptr?
frosty mango
what did you test this on?
ptr
torn gulch
let's see the new cloak
frosty mango
first pull of rook
lusty grotto
i dont think we'll stop with spell block for a while
and shouldn't
its a big deal
frosty mango
I have 30% crit block chance and I see no damage variance indicating any of those tough as nails procs did double damage
small steeple
interesting, a lot of those are casters too so not as many auto attacks
small steeple
I have 30% crit block chance and I see no damage variance indicating any of thos...
could be bugged
torn gulch
i know it is but we kinda lost our mind at this point
lusty grotto
well its worth discussing Mac
mighty valley
I’d rather yell about spell block than talk about how rotation assist is going to end human civilization for another few weeks
frosty mango
interesting, a lot of those are casters too so not as many auto attacks
only 2 casters
small steeple
only 2 casters
oh yeah, man i'm tired and feel like crap
mighty valley
5% overall is where tough as nails usually landed when it launched in df
lusty grotto
frosty mango
I dont really see it being worth
bleak breach
I'd rather Spell Block get nerfed to 10 seconds
Even 15sec is a good solution, like have it more used for a specific ability or sequence.
round pendant
Spell Block may be a bit jank but it's one of the most feelgood buttons imo
it has so much value
mighty valley
that’s fine for a point but not worth going through other points you don’t care about
small steeple
Prot pallies can still block spells
thats their mastery though
mighty valley
they can’t 100% crit block spells however
chrome falcon
im out
tranquil token
is shield block uptime getting nerfed too?
lusty grotto
no
torn gulch
not really from what we've seen
urban sequoia
I just don't see the logic of saying "Spell block is too complicated" and then leaving it where paladins still block spells? u-u
lime mantle
Idk why people are dooming, spellbreaker is better.
Just invest harder into luck so it triggers at the correct moment and consistently 🙂
chrome falcon
but i'm officially launching my campaign to get blizz to add "Last stand also reduces periodic damage taken by 30%" to bolster / unnerving focus
urban sequoia
I guess because its passive for paladins?
chrome falcon
ALTERNATIVELY: Last stand also reduces the CD of impending victory to 5 seconds and increases its damage by 2000% for its duration
We are going to be force blizzard to make last stand a pressable button
tranquil token
these changes aren't it
chrome falcon
it's literally not free
mighty valley
but i'm officially launching my campaign to get blizz to add "Last stand also re...
tbh game designers don’t really farm specific solutions to problems from community posts, you’re better off just posting your experiences, preferably after playing with the changes
chrome falcon
i have to spend a talent point on it
mighty valley
we used to have to path through last stand, with the new tree we finally might be able to say “nah, not worth”
chrome falcon
tbh game designers don’t really farm specific solutions to problems from communi...
idk man if they're removing spell block and replacing it with 4% spell parry, they might be running low on ideas (i am joking)
lime mantle
ALTERNATIVELY: Last stand also reduces the CD of impending victory to 5 seconds ...
Just give us BFA AM and then we'll press LS.
chrome falcon
fuck BFA AM gimme legion AM
torn gulch
yep last stand under AM again
warm plinth
I only get stat stick trinkets apparently
chrome falcon
fine by me !
round pendant
I just don't see the logic of saying "Spell block is too complicated" and then l...
It's too complicated because the game has zero indication for incoming damage types
urban sequoia
idk man if they're removing spell block and replacing it with 4% spell parry, th...
Its sad because spellbreaker is a sick name but then its just... the weirdest most useless ability u.u
lime mantle
then thunderlord is gone
It can stay, I want my character to screech 24/7.
round pendant
Imagine if when an enemy is using an ability, it had a lil sword or a staff icon on their nameplate
and you could just know that spell block would work
crazy, right?
Too complicated tho, just delete the ability sorry
torn gulch
we need the intervene shield baseline and upped to 10 times our armor
we need rally cry back to 20%
we need aoe SR
we need a AOE DR banner on us
let's get some utility for once
toxic pewter
Calling it now: midnight will introduce third demon hunter spec. This is now stated for the public record.
Remember this post.
analog lantern
well if these changes stick we'll lose magic mitigation, let alone hoping for more utility xP
urban sequoia
oh yeah they're nerfing our armor p hard too?
6% armor as its own talent
while we're losing 8+5% armor
from other talents. So 7% bonus armor looks like its vanishing u3u
toxic pewter
Also, illidan stormrage is coming back next patch to help us kill Demensius.
torn gulch
Also, illidan stormrage is coming back next patch to help us kill Demensius.
try the last titan
torn gulch
he's coming back with sargeras in the last titan I am willing to bet
same with sylvannas in midnight
back from her maw quest finally
toxic pewter
Much sooner. They realize they need a heavy hitter in the storyline
urban sequoia
sargeras is the actual last titan smh.
analog lantern
you're derailing the conversation from SB removal doomerism
toxic pewter
Wat
toxic pewter
Who cares about spell block
urban sequoia
I guess them removing bonus % armor is just them compensating for how hard our armor is going to scale from ilvl?
toxic pewter
We lived without and we will live without it again
torn gulch
we played bfa without it didn't we?
toxic pewter
It came in dragonflight
urban sequoia
I mean obviously. But Id rather prot warrior was considered a good tank
toxic pewter
And honestly majority of the time we didn’t even know if it worked against most shit
Half the time it didn’t
crude notch
Yeah PWar was a horrible tank in BfA
toxic pewter
If that
crude notch
You had that much vers for one season, chill tf out
lusty grotto
so not "on BFA"
frosty mango
Spell block being removed is going to mean basically nothing to the vast majority of players
torn gulch
we can still do 10's without it
frosty mango
Because the vast majority of players probably don’t even press it
old juniper
from other talents. So 7% bonus armor looks like its vanishing u3u
Looks like I lost 12k armor (2% ish dr) and half a mill hp in the same gear and taking all hp/armor talants on ptr
frosty mango
And at those content levels it doesn’t matter
warm plinth
Because the vast majority of players probably don’t even press it
I only started pressing it sort of regularly this season, which I've only played for the last like 4 weeks
frosty mango
But for high end content it is a make or break talent, that’s why it’s a very vocal resistance
old juniper
It doesnt really seem like we got more options with talents either, just new mandatory ones
crude notch
The true gamers will learn to work without it like they did before and the bad gamers didn’t use it properly anyways.
warm plinth
It's me! I'm bad gamers!
crude notch
I only started pressing it sort of regularly this season, which I've only played...
Yeah I didn’t use it until last season. 🪦
tight hinge
Why are people acting like spell block was some 200 iq ability?
crude notch
It was
round pendant
I used it not as much as I should but there's a few very nice moments every season where it's giga useful
bleak breach
and off gcd yep
Please god, can bring back the demo shout/shield charge macro the
frosty mango
It's me! I'm bad gamers!
We use the word “casual now”
Here’s your participation trophy
crude notch
(:
mighty valley
the tree structure is definitely more open now, we’ll just have to see how it ends up tunes
frosty mango
so what do we get in place of that?
Pain, which they expect us to ignore
urban sequoia
Why are people acting like spell block was some 200 iq ability?
its more just rough that we're losing that and not getting any sort of additional uptime on any degree of magic resistance
round pendant
if they buff ip even more then sure maybe
bleak breach
but i'm officially launching my campaign to get blizz to add "Last stand also re...
Yeah, it needs something.
Last stand kinda sucks, maybe they could add a heal with it.
crude notch
Hmm
tight hinge
its more just rough that we're losing that and not getting any sort of additiona...
My point is that it’s stupid we’re losing such a great ability for such terrible reasoning
frosty mango
My point is that it’s stupid we’re losing such a great ability for such terrible...
Their reasoning is very sound
Their “fix” is dumb
lusty grotto
👆
toxic pewter
Whirling blade auto ravagers 5 procs per minute actually badass
warm plinth
I think it's an odd reason since other abilities exist that have the same "issue"
tight hinge
Is it really sound reasoning if it’s generating this much feedback? If we’re too stupid to use the ability correctly shouldn’t the reasoning be clear to us smooth brains?
crude notch
Well
warm plinth
Spell Reflect and Turtle are the two most egregious, but there's also AMS and things like Feign Death and Invis.
frosty mango
Is it really sound reasoning if it’s generating this much feedback? If we’re too...
You gotta remember we are very few compared to the playerbase at large
Like a percent of a percent
brisk quail
Weird they're not removing BOP/Spellwarding if Spell block is so difficult to use
torn gulch
yep their reasoning is written with the playerbase at large in mind
warm plinth
BoP/spellwarding aren't really difficult to determine 99% olf the time
Is it physical? BoP works. Is it magic? Spellwarding works
That's true like 99% of the time
frosty mango
If we had access to to data showing the efficacy of spell block based on the entire playerbase I would bet it is overwhelmingly underutilized
brisk quail
I agree, but so is Spell block. It even lasts 30s, you'll get value
warm plinth
Spell Block is did blizzard decide it'll work on this
frosty mango
Because you have no idea if a spell is blockable or not
toxic pewter
It’s actually pala holy shield that is giga powerful. And their mastery allows them to even dr bleeds equal to their block chance
frosty mango
And the game does not tell you, at all
tight hinge
I’m really not sure why we’re defending this choice. The playerbase at large doesn’t give a shit about this ability either way.
lusty grotto
why they remove it, does not matter, what matters is what they are replacing it with... nothing is done by discussion their reasoning
instead focus on what they can compensate with
frosty mango
I’m really not sure why we’re defending this choice. The playerbase at large doe...
We’re defending the rationale and criticizing the implementation
warm plinth
The rationale makes sense. Removing it outright as a solution with nothing to fill the gap is horrible.
frosty mango
They are not mutually exclusive, they can have good reasoning while mucking the change
crude notch
Sorry we’re not sending bomb threats to HQ over it.
lusty grotto
crude notch
Doodoo head
tight hinge
I’m also not saying get mad and rage. I’m saying I disagree with the entirety of the decision.
crude notch
I put abc gum in their hair
torn gulch
I remember that in the last PTR cycle they came swinging in week one and did some crazy shit with prot warrior
We fired feedback to them and over the PTR cycle we got to a very decent version
That is what we should do now provide feedback and hope that blizzard will listen again
lusty grotto
I remember that in the last PTR cycle they came swinging in week one and did som...
💯
toxic pewter
When in doubt cry and scream.. modern blizz will relent
torn gulch
We lost like half our rage generation week one remember nim
urban sequoia
it does feel wild to me that they seem to be nerfing warrior tankiness in general?
removing 2% magic resist from Fight through the flames, and 7% bonus armor?
torn gulch
we were unplayable on ptr
crude notch
I’m also not saying get mad and rage. I’m saying I disagree with the entirety of...
Strongly suggest the forums to voice your opinion to people that can do something about it!
warm plinth
@lusty grotto I seriously can't stop playing jumprope with the HR/ItF line
Gonna have to go back to HR with this trinket 
lusty grotto
lol
tight hinge
I already did. We’ll see what happens. Maybe we’ll all just enjoy the nerf and it’s true we don’t know better
cinder marsh
omfg why has blizz not fixed the green screen problem
warm plinth
Green screen problem?
cinder marsh
yes when i go to something like the AH or to change my transmog my screen goes green
like all my buttons and shit
lusty grotto
that sounds more like a GPU issue
toxic pewter
I am SPELLBREAKER!!!!
lusty grotto
also this is not the blizzard tech support channel
cinder marsh
its not iv seen it happen to everyone, people to say to reload and it does work but does not help it to stop happening
cinder marsh
also this is not the blizzard tech support channel
toxic pewter
Did u unplug it and plug it back in
bleak breach
I do like that we don’t really need to give up anything to get damage now
Like execute build currently you’ve gotta give up SB uptime and mitigation through punish
urban sequoia
https://tenor.com/view/spellbreaker-wow-gif-21776328
4% chance of negating a spell feels like such an utter meme of an ability tho.
toxic pewter
lol
toxic pewter
U all SEE the new lean emote
bleak breach
Yeah haha
toxic pewter
… /lean
bleak breach
What a joke
bleak breach
Our damage is going to be absurd atleast APB
Especially with the nearly double ravager
toxic pewter
Yeah ngl since when we even care about defense shit
We want big number
AUTO RAVAGER
bleak breach
Absolutely
toxic pewter
5ppm
bleak breach
Parses are all that matters
bleak breach
Yep, also extra rage for more ip and more violent outbursts
toxic pewter
Yeah way I see spell block is easy come easy go
Like we had it for 1.5 expansions
So long see ya
It’s like was never here
dense ingot
U all SEE the new lean emote
I wonder if it works with that book item from the Siren isle so you can lean and read
warm plinth
I have crit for days
toxic pewter
And also we forget spell blocks cooldown used to be shitty and it didn’t last as long or something I forget exactly
But for a while we didn’t even use it
At least in df season 1
mighty valley
it just only had applications in a few dungeons in df s1
kind of the whole thing with the ability
toxic pewter
It’s cooldown was 2 min originally I think
And lasted 20 seconds
Maybe cd was always 1.5 can’t remember
bleak breach
Our damage will be nice going Bloodborne on 1 talent too
lusty grotto
depends how the buffs affect our bleed output
bleak breach
depends how the buffs affect our bleed output
Which buffs?
lusty grotto
the 5%
from bloodborne
bleeds dont actually do a lot
so bleed damage isn't really something we consider, but of course in the PTR we have the options
bleak breach
Oh yeah, should be solid accompanied by tier and TR though
lusty grotto
i just wouldnt say "our damage will be nice because of bleeds"
which is what im addressing heh
bleak breach
I mean our damage is already good
lusty grotto
yes
bleak breach
Will be higher with new changes unless we cop nerfs.
Just depends if we fall over to magic damage.
bleak breach
They really trying to push us toward fueled by violence
bleak breach
Well I’ll be stuffed
lusty grotto
the only reason it'll be pickable is that they nerf BrV
but not by a whole lot
it'll be as even as it is now
bleak breach
There were no actual buffs/nerfs there percentage wise were there?
Was just all talent based so far?
lusty grotto
there were nerfs
bleak breach
Ahh, must’ve skipped past them.
lusty grotto
oh you mean Aura
its the first stage, they never do aura nerfs now
or buffs
so yes everything is talent based
with nerfs and buffs to them
bleak breach
Sorry just meaning like direct buffs/nerfs to abilities
lusty grotto
nah
tribal wharf
what are these supposed to be
tribal wharf
guess i should be looking in the ptr page
pallid quiver
They're both execute talents
Top on is 15% Exe damage, bottom makes it cleave onto 2 more targets for 70% dam
tribal wharf
oh, cuz i saw the execute icon on left
interesting changes, like it interests me not i think is bad
heavy breathing
pallid quiver
they should've made the cleave execute instead be full aoe
do it, blizz, you cowards
bleak breach
Did any of you guys play in the glory days where you had to level up weapon specialties and each one had their own bonus?
pallid quiver
weapon specialties were actually talents or racials, thank you
you're thinking of weapon skills
bleak breach
Close enough
slim oracle
guess i should be looking in the ptr page
is there a PTR channel? for prot
just wanna see what people's thoughts are on the changes
slim oracle
oh thought there was a separate channel
pallid quiver
As a whole, people are deeply negative. I think it'll be like fine
bleak breach
It will be fine, people just don’t like change
pallid quiver
They're aiming to try and effectively create flex points and modernize the tree to parity with other specs
bleak breach
I’m not saying it’s positive change, but it is what it is.
pallid quiver
I think they're on the track to doing so, personally; it's definitely at least better at it than the tree was
dull vine
maybe new connections at the tree can make this rise
slim oracle
idk from a pretty casual prot enjoyer the talent reworks seem okay in terms of easier access to disrupting shout etc
pallid quiver
maybe new connections at the tree can make this rise
It's also the adjustment of talents going from 2 points to 1 point, as well
slim oracle
but just a short glance at the lower portion of the talent tree, theres a lot of good options but we wouldn't be able to get them all
tribal wharf
both of these on paper sound great tbh
you'd have to almost always take hunker down though realistically
bleak breach
I think they're on the track to doing so, personally; it's definitely at least b...
Yeah I like the tree, the only real downside is Spell Block and a couple of nothing talents.
fluid widget
spellbreaker sounds awful
tribal wharf
cuz %4 rng chance and its probably on some kind of ICD
pallid quiver
idk from a pretty casual prot enjoyer the talent reworks seem okay in terms of e...
The most notable thing is the drop of Spell Block without another defensive to replace it; Hunker Down is a really nice extra addition to SR, since each point of defensive value on a raw end becomes more valuable than the last, conversely to how it works for damage, but we already had SR, so you're likely missing a CD for the rotation
fluid widget
4% random chance is useless
pallid quiver
We're also losing like 6-7?% armor, since Focused Vigor and Alacrity lost their armor components
tribal wharf
spell breaker will be broken or very lame, depending on its ICD
pallid quiver
And the extra armor added to reinforced doesn't make it up enough
pallid quiver
spell breaker will be broken or very lame, depending on its ICD
it won't need an icd at all; it's 4%
tribal wharf
if it can go off a whole bunch of times at once, it might be good
urban sequoia
idk from a pretty casual prot enjoyer the talent reworks seem okay in terms of e...
Its pretty good redesign, just some pretty heavy nerfs to overall warrior tankiness it seems
lusty grotto
both of these on paper sound great tbh
no they sound dogshit on paper, or any material
dont 1guy us yogi
south zealot
oh thats yogi
tribal wharf
but thats in the cases you are even going to take that, i assume probably never take either of these talents and its like, always take HD for raid and HD for some harder keys with magic damage
south zealot
almost took a huge bait
urban sequoia
lusty grotto
oh thats yogi
dat him
fluid widget
what if spell block was replaced with a "reduce dot damage taken by 50%" kinda thing
slim oracle
just not as a replacement to spell block
i didnt even realize warriors were losing spell block
that sounds awful
fluid widget
is that less complex
lusty grotto
sure, but big magic hits still exist
and most times we spell block its for big magic hits, because dots being spell blockable is highly inconsistent
urban sequoia
this is my character on retail, in the PTR I lost about 500k HP, and about 10k armor o.o
urban sequoia
K values are irrelvant to the flat numbers.
urban sequoia
are you targetting mobs?
Just our loss of bonus HP and armor from talents is not insignificant.
rare kraken
I was actually happy reading a bunch of the warrior changes then I got to the list of removed spells and 💀
rare kraken
this is my character on retail, in the PTR I lost about 500k HP, and about 10k a...
What the fuck
urban sequoia
What the fuck
talents that gave us 13% bonus armor now give us none but theres a new talent that gives us 6% bonus armor.
urban sequoia
yeah and we lost % stamina too.
lusty grotto
yeah well
thats not a big deal
it just means we'll be right back at the current armor levels at around hero track
its a drop in the bucket
lucid dew
If I’m just gearing up prot to be decent for next season and don’t plan on timing all 12s or raiding. What should I spend the puzzling chips on. I have no gear right now
lusty grotto
whatever you cant farm
i.e. raid trinkets
from the wowhead list probably the last 2
urban sequoia
chrombustible bomb suit is basically an extra major defensive cooldown if youre having issues with survivability.
lusty grotto
1 of the last 2 yes
lucid dew
Combustible will prob be nice to start the season with
lusty grotto
do not look at the rest, since youre not doing 12s or doing myth raiding
and you can get most of those at key level 6
craft a shield and a weapon asap
with gilded
lucid dew
Yea I’ll be doing 6s almost immediately
If I did end up timing 12s then pacemaker and the light tome right
lusty grotto
correct
lucid dew
Do you bind to avatar ?
lusty grotto
i dont bind it to anything
lucid dew
Why are top tanks running that mud trinket
lusty grotto
except my trinket binds
lucid dew
Ah ok
lusty grotto
and i wouldnt recommend binding it to avatar
ravager or troar are better picks
mud is good in floodgate and priories, but thats it
lucid dew
Ouhhh I see
lucid dew
Wait are you running house of cards and bomb suit at same time?
lusty grotto
top tanks shouldn't be what youre looking at anyway
lucid dew
I know I was just curious what the use case was
lusty grotto
you can play both sure, but you pair them with pacemaker
for 1 use 1 non-use
so you replace tome/hoc/bombsuit
and never pacemaker or if you get a hero track mechanocore
lucid dew
Ahhh I got it. I see what you are saying
frosty mango
Do you guys wanna know something very uninteresting
There is a slug setting off my doorbell motion detector
frosty mango
lusty grotto
lmao
azure mural
hello, i just heard that spellblock is going away next season. do i need to go cry in beds and retire until midnight?
frosty mango
hello, i just heard that spellblock is going away next season. do i need to go c...
Yes
azure mural
pain
frosty mango
We also recommend writing a sternly worded letter and sending it to blizzard in the form of forum feedback
@lusty grotto say the things
azure mural
why does blizzard hate us
frosty mango
Or link the things, rather
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Na means you live in America
azure mural
what about Eu??
lusty grotto
oh, thats what he meant
round pendant
both of these on paper sound great tbh
Holy SHIT TWO PERCENT
arctic lagoon
cyan bronze
lusty grotto
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you're welcome
limpid tide
I think I like this new tree, is this cope?
small steeple
Too many dead ends
Claim to be making it more open to choice, but adds a bunch of dead end nodes?
limpid tide
I just like being able to make a direct route to good shit
I think it's great for raid 😆 . Feels like still no flexibility for m+
lusty grotto
im indifferent to the shape
its whatever
positioning on a lot of talents is whack
like i put on my feedback reply
notably last stand and devastator
there's bigger issues than the structure of it
small steeple
I think it's great for raid 😆 . Feels like still no flexibility for m+
Seems like there are 2 archetypes now. Bleed and execute.
Bleed leans into Col
And execute leans into MT
For raid builds at least. M+ seems weird rn
I suppose bleed would be m+ one, but execute cleaves so maybe not?
Testing must be done
lusty grotto
yeah
brittle canyon
I’m scared for Spell Block being removed. I hope they make up for it elsewhere.
cinder dirge
With spell block gone we're back to the beginning of the cycle where we had literally nothing to protect us from magic tank buster and basic spells that went through on big pulls in M+ that made us by default bad. Anyone who have ever pushed during SL on the first trash mobs of Hall of Atonnement could remember how badly we were missing something to block spells. And the next time they add magic tank buster we're just relying on others whereas any other tank can just make it through, whatever they change that spell block remove single handedly killed us if not now it'll be the next time they add huge magic dmg against tank
lusty grotto
post that in the threads
you're singing to the choir here
or preaching
we've had extensive discussions about it, virtually everyone agrees
but we're just a small percent of the population
this discord, i mean
so at the very least post it up on the feedback threads
urban sequoia
We're also losing like 6-7?% armor, since Focused Vigor and Alacrity lost their ...
7% armor and 5% stamina is lost
urban sequoia
With spell block gone we're back to the beginning of the cycle where we had lite...
B) just in time for halls of atonement to come back
south zealot
if it can go off a whole bunch of times at once, it might be good
and if it doesnt you just die lol
still have to fight dogs in hoa
casters will be chill
frosty mango
south zealot
id be more worried about them making gambit worse
small steeple
full heroic run of new dungeon
Do a run as MT using full execute build if you can? Curious to see that overall
south zealot
sounds terrible to play lol
frosty mango
reasonably sure the crit block double damage is bugged
average 54k max 58k is almost no variance which leads me to believe that
lusty grotto
id be more worried about them making gambit worse
thats 100% gonna happen
small steeple
reasonably sure the crit block double damage is bugged
Shocker….
south zealot
did anything change with rage though
frosty mango
something did
south zealot
just auto ravagers no?
frosty mango
because i spent most of the dungeon overcapped despite spamming revenge 100% of the time
pallid quiver
just auto ravagers no?
Main thing is that it's a lot easier to get both instigate and bloodsurge, and Best Served Cold now increases free revenge proc rate
(at the cost of less damage ups to revenge)
vital vale
how are we gonna tank floodgate without spell block on s3 lmao
small steeple
how are we gonna tank floodgate without spell block on s3 lmao
Or priory
lusty grotto
or HoA
south zealot
figure it out bud
lusty grotto
sick hill
so pointless to remove it
Completely pointless to remove it
vital vale
oh don't worry tho we have a 4% chance to just negate spells
just cross your fingers when big momma does the buster is guess
south zealot
you obviously dont take that talent
lusty grotto
spell block isnt a huge deal in flood anyway
it only works for the initial hit for electrocrush
its a big deal for the other dungeons though
vital vale
spell block is huge for the last trash pack before last boss too
and its huge for electrocrush
lusty grotto
oh absolutely
vital vale
this dungeon is already ass to tank
lusty grotto
i mean
its it doesnt work for thunder punch
and it only blocks the initial hit for electrocrush
so 🤷♂️
last pack you skip anyway
so no, not a big deal for flood
rough nest
EU is just waking up though, so it makes sense
rough nest
I'm just waking up and started reading
lusty grotto
london obviously the capital of EU 
frosty mango
anvil 3.0
lusty grotto
hmm no thats cataclysmic / kezan 6.5
lusty grotto
any others?
ionic nimbus
Spellbock removed??? just woke up, saw my tier set and wanted to cry ... what is that??
lusty grotto
lmao
frosty mango
lusty grotto
good morning
ionic nimbus
frosty mango
ionic nimbus
dafuq
lusty grotto
Good morning EU: reminder to post feedback here:
NA: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior-class-changes/2119964/1
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frosty mango
60s cd
lusty grotto
beacon 2.0
lusty grotto
😬
undone beacon
Now that, that is HOT
ionic nimbus
is there already a talent calculator for us? not able to log into ptr
ionic nimbus
thanks Nim ❤️
undone beacon
Kinda nice to see they gave a damage proc to the cheat death trinket
Makes it feel a bit less bad to run
lusty grotto
thats pretty much living dead
undone beacon
Interesting to make it a purg
lusty grotto
get ready to have healers trolling
undone beacon
Just hit frenzied regen 4hed
lusty grotto
oh you need to go up to 75% health? HEHEHEHEHEHEHH
ionic nimbus
The Brutal Vitality Change seems interesting (except of the 2% nerf)
lusty grotto
queue Xeno's "i'm in the grave!!!!"
lusty grotto
yes
frosty mango
arcane and void?
lusty grotto
yup
undone beacon
Can’t wait for this to be a slick full heal on bear
ionic nimbus
wtf is spellbreaker? 4% chance to remove the dmg and 96% dmg to take it? Sounds like a big yikes 😄
lusty grotto
garbanzo beans
undone beacon
Any interesting tank trinket out of new dungeon?
lusty grotto
thats what it is
undone beacon
Can’t wait to play pacemaker and sacbrood all season poggggg
lusty grotto
sir, tome will be in
lusty grotto
time for my 48 runs again
ionic nimbus
Wasnt there a statstik from gambit aswell?
lusty grotto
yup
ionic nimbus
yeah, wasnt that very good in the past aswell?
undone beacon
boy oh boy I love stat sticks
Unrelated but with the way the Elunes Chosen Guardian Druid tier bonus is, you can get lunar beam down to a 15 second cooldown
Fucking wild
People were getting three in their incarn windows
ionic nimbus
pls no guardian, its so boring ... -.-
feels like one button rotation is based on guardian playstyle since ages
ionic nimbus
So there aim was to bring more flexibility into protection warrior with talent changes? Now i see only 2 bleedbuild and an execute build (Raid most likeley)? So what changed (except of removing spellblock WTF?!)
lusty grotto
yeah we dont know
lament zealot
The removal of the two talents that buffed shield charge sucks to me. It seems like they made it almost worse now.
ionic nimbus
yeah its just battering ram
lusty grotto
battering was removed though
lament zealot
I see
ionic nimbus
bringing champions bw into baseline talent seems to be a w
dont know about the random procc ravager ..
ionic nimbus
i guess on paper it will be great
lusty grotto
but its use will depend on throughput, we will see
we've had the PTR for a while so people have been testing
ionic nimbus
maybe playing ptr this time ... burned out of the actual season, even if the own aims of 17 res are not done yet
urban sequoia
17m damage every two minutes and 2k haste on a 707 trinket seems... very bad...
lament zealot
I hope they number squish again next expansion
lament zealot
Ah, good
lament zealot
Idk why but big numbers to me are so silly. I love when you're doing thousands of dps not millions
pallid quiver
I think they should multiply all numbers by 100 nex expac
jagged pier
Spell block removed is a dumbest thing ive ever seen
lusty grotto
good morning Jakey 🙂
jagged pier
Its not a good morning
ionic nimbus
Spell block removed is a dumbest thing ive ever seen
jagged pier
Sense will fix
The rest of the stuff eh loose jugg sad but what ever
But spell block like what????
lusty grotto
yup
ionic nimbus
imagine praying for a 4% procc at 3rd boss of ML, because you dont have spellblock
ionic nimbus
I think I get why they nerfed Fight through the flames.
cuz spellblock is good enough, oh whait
urban sequoia
cuz spellblock is good enough, oh whait
nah, unyielding stance gives us an extra 4% damage resist to all damage from stance
coarse latch
Reminder to post feedback here:
NA: <https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/fe...
Seems like every comment is about spellblock
lusty grotto
yes, as they should be
coarse latch
I'm not experienced enough yet as a tank, but I kind of liked it it. I don't feel like it's bloat at all
ionic nimbus
Seems like every comment is about spellblock
cuz bringing sb in df was the biggest W we got since ages and they removed it without usefull compensation, bringing us back in the past, where magic based fights wanted us to play fortnite
coarse latch
And with ethereal dungeons in the future, and raid, the big thing I think of is magic damage
coarse latch
cuz bringing sb in df was the biggest W we got since ages and they removed it wi...
Like run away you mean?
ionic nimbus
Like run away you mean?
or speccing arms/fury, so the unholy dk can reroll to BDK for magic fights, yikes
nocturne spindle
are we forced back to HR with new tierset?
mighty valley
we weren't running hr by the end of s1
well, it was always reasonable to for safety
but we'll have big ol haste
rough nest
Or reconsider things
Did they ever reconsider things ?
lusty grotto
are we forced back to HR with new tierset?
every tier start you run HR until you get to our recommended ratings
because as you're gearing you tend to lose haste
and also next tier we lose tier set
nocturne spindle
yea
lusty grotto
which means you are gonna need higher haste rating to maintain uptime
nocturne spindle
i know that but we need like insane haste side pieces
to get to it with no tier
ionic nimbus
we will be insanely haste stacked i guess
ionic nimbus
actually i am at the point to avoid crit into vers to not get into stat minus ...
urban sequoia
i do think we're a lil bit less tanky than we were before the PTR, but it isnt an absurd loss. We're gaining 4% general damage reduction, option for 10% extra reduction on spell reflect, and making the ignore pain/brutal vitality both a bit better, but losing 2% magic reduction, 2% strength and the armor that comes along with that, 1% armor, 5% stamina, and spell block as an option.
lusty grotto
yeah but we havent calculated rating goal lines without 4pc
well, maybe Nome did early in the season
mighty valley
in s1 people were able to get like 20-21k and feel comfy running hr
i mean itf
wasn't perfect uptime, you had to think a little, but it wasn't like. stupid
lusty grotto
i guess it boils down to... how much SC cdr contributes to uptime in terms of haste rating
urban sequoia
what race do yall think is best for prot warriors?
nocturne spindle
dwarf plus meld potion master race
lusty grotto
Harrow is right though, it should be comparable with s1
so around 18k to swap from HR to ITF, but even then youll have gaps
so you want around 22k to be comfortable enough
should be easy enough to get with stat pools next season
urban sequoia
GOD that is depressing to look at top rated prot warriors and the top 9 are nelves xD
nocturne spindle
lmao
i just checked the fucking raid loot
they like
giga one sided the jewelrey
anyone for haste?
mighty valley
Looking good then
ionic nimbus
new jastor? everyone whants it?! 😄
nocturne spindle
yea kinda
but like
every jewelry piece from raid is like this
7k one stats sub 2k the other
urban sequoia
MORE HASTE
God that ring and neck are enough for 15k haste on their own is wild
near salmon
Just did a floodgate key. The leaping spark on last boss just kept chasing me. It was really weird. I wasn't able to trap mine by a puddle in time and the thunder punch was coming so i leaped away. Then after that the boss went back to the starting to position to do his Turbo charge thing. yet the saprk was still there and chasing me.
and eventually it caught up to me and stunned
old juniper
Sometimes things break. I had the pushback effect from Rixxa get stuck on me permanently in ML. Had to finish the key with it constantly pushing me
near salmon
Sometimes things break. I had the pushback effect from Rixxa get stuck on me per...
That's wild
river phoenix
aside from thane which has like 2 + damage things
lusty grotto
execute synergizes well with thane
because of the rage intake
the idea to split it between execute and bleeds is wild in itself, but execute isnt what you should be worried about
river phoenix
i assume even if you dig for all those execute talents (save for heavy handed maybe) that you're still ultimately prioing thunderclap and probs even revenge in aoe