bleeds aren't magic 😛
#protection
chilly brook
pallid quiver
We're taking block value nerfs and some things that seem like buffs are actually talents getting spread out
mighty valley
well. it's one less thing sense has to check for the sheet. buff for sense
pallid quiver
Like the armor node at the top was part of focused vigor before
Damage also doesn't always come in a vacuum, as well
chrome falcon
more importantly
chilly brook
We're taking block value nerfs and some things that seem like buffs are actually...
d stance is just 4% better than live
pallid quiver
I don't think we're going to get trucked or anything
chrome falcon
who's ready to argue about codex of the first technique again
chilly brook
4% tooltip that is
pallid quiver
d stance is just 4% better than live
But that's also compounded with losing a notable amount of block value
hardy snow
we did lose two during kill XD, in general its not a problem if its first death and you have br ready for it, but earlier on prog the issue was that we already had used it on p1 
chilly brook
But that's also compounded with losing a notable amount of block value
8% block value yes, but that is heavily impacted by K value
bleak breach
Our main issue is people dying super early or not moving before full energy…
chilly brook
I would wager that a flat 4% DR is worth more than 8% block value
pallid quiver
literally entirely depends on damage profiles
chilly brook
especially since that DR isn't limited to only blockable damage
chilly brook
literally entirely depends on damage profiles
it doesn't
block doesn't scale linearly
DR does
pallid quiver
That's literally incorrect in every form
if damage isn't blockable, it has more value
Damage profiles are the main thing driving defensive value in all forms
pallid quiver
to say otherwise is just literally incorrect
If you can't block something, block value has literally zero impact, so then you'd get more value out of the 4% DR
because that will still apply
chilly brook
I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying
keen girder
arguing the same damn thing
pallid quiver
arguing the same damn thing
No we're not
chilly brook
we're actually not
frosty mango
It’s really all scaling
south zealot
scale dn
chilly brook
let me illustrate this with in game numbers
frosty mango
The only big issue with losing spell block is we don’t get anything in return on top of losing agency
And I highly doubt it impacts like sub 16 level keys
keen girder
especially since that DR isn't limited to only blockable damage
If damage isn't blockable, it has more value
Damage profiles are the main thing driving defensive value in all forms
the same
damn
shit
chrome falcon
we were talking about it in this idscord when they first introduced spell block
the button was a huge bandaid
blizz got sick of us (rightly) complaining about being perma dead to magic damage
next plover
I mean we will see cause if they end up buffing the spell block talent then it will be a huge buff
pallid quiver
especially since that DR isn't limited to only blockable damage
If damage isn't ...
did you try understanding the context
next plover
It’s all tuning right
chrome falcon
so they just gave us the most broken tank ability in the game and told us to shut up
which was great
torn gulch
why can't we have a world where we don't get messed up with every season
next plover
why can't we have a world where we don't get messed up with every season
I think it’s wayyyy to early to complain and doom
small quail
Too many of us remember the world without spell block. It sucked
pallid quiver
I think it’s wayyyy to early to complain and doom
We're gonna be fine, but there's a lot of feels bad about the tree
frosty mango
so they just gave us the most broken tank ability in the game and told us to shu...
Yeah and then they remove it with no compensation - especially given we know damage profiles for half the dungeons, it’s not difficult to conclude it will be a problem
bleak breach
why can't we have a world where we don't get messed up with every season
Then you would all complain that nothing changed.
torn gulch
i know it's early but it took us nagging an entire ptr cycle last cycle for us to get in a decent spot back again
pallid quiver
Then you would all complain that nothing changed.
i was actually hoping for no changes, thank you
chrome falcon
^
crude notch
Too many of us remember the world without spell block. It sucked
TRUE BfA was horrid for Prot Warrior
chrome falcon
no changes would have worked for me
frosty mango
And like EVERY ptr when this happens, it will be tested to death and blizz will do what they do
Which is adjust or not
But at the end of the day if we want to see change our best bet is to get on the ptr, and test it and give feedback
pallid quiver
I'm actually quite excited for this, though:
Makes SR real valuable for magic damage reduction
frosty mango
It’s already really valuable for magic dr lol
chrome falcon
yeah my issue is that it just leans us more into burst damage reduction
pallid quiver
That brings SR up to 35%
chrome falcon
which we're already exceptional at
next plover
It’s ok we just shield wall 😎
undone beacon
Rest in peace spell block
pallid quiver
It lasted 30s, but it just covered two burst instances of magic in most damage profiles
undone beacon
my beloved
pallid quiver
Since it'd cover two CD instances
chrome falcon
It lasted 30s, but it just covered two burst instances of magic in most damage p...
except for in raid when it would randomly make a boss actually possible
pallid quiver
It had the potential to stop magic rot,
but most magic rot wasn't blockable
Like it worked on Sark dot,
chilly brook
These two shields have a ~6% difference in block value @pallid quiver now with the lower block value shield I have a 39.7% DR, however thanks to K value, even though I'm gaining roughly 6% block value I'm only going up by 1.38% in damage reduction.
However if I gain 4% on defensive stance I'm just take 4% less damage period. It's not impacted by K value. It's completely linear.
chrome falcon
with bad gear, kyveza was i think almost impossible without spell block
pallid quiver
but it didn't on tindral dot
chilly brook
So no matter what
gentle violet
Are we really cooked? Spell Reflect is being buffed to give a 35% Magic DR now. Is it enough to compensate for losing spell block?
chilly brook
we're just better into blockable damage despite losing 8% block value
crude notch
The real gigachads saw it in the tea leaves and never ran spell block in the first place
karmic plinth
feel like a second charge of sr wouldnt be amiss
chilly brook
bring back aoe SR
lean flower
that would be fun for utility for the group :>
granite pond
feel like a second charge of sr wouldnt be amiss
This would be a good compensation
chilly brook
Does it make sense now @pallid quiver ?
torn gulch
imagine blizzard devs giving utility to prot warrior
crude notch
y'all really need a second charge on a 25 second cd?
torn gulch
we're not allowed utility
lean flower
i mean warrior in general isn't allowed hehe
pallid quiver
we're not allowed utility
i mean disrupting is even easier than ever to grab
karmic plinth
y'all really need a second charge on a 25 second cd?
i mean no but would be nice
chilly brook
y'all really need a second charge on a 25 second cd?
have you seen Rixxa?
granite pond
Yes because I want 100% uptime on it and blizzard should allow me to have fun!
crude notch
also second charges dont really do as much as you think they do
torn gulch
imagine receiving a bigger shield on intervene, imagine receiving 20% hp on commanding shout imagine receiving aoe SR
chrome falcon
it was an absolutely miserable experience
crude notch
this guy
chilly brook
halls was fine
granite pond
Tbf it wasn’t great as prot back then
chrome falcon
this discord was 24/7 people whining about halls of atonement
during s1 shadowlands
torn gulch
immagine receiving a DR banner for the group
chrome falcon
spell block being added was pretty much a response to shadowlands m+
tender pond
also second charges dont really do as much as you think they do
while you are right, taking away clear QoL is kinda bad design no?
karmic plinth
just think the value of having the chance to back to back sr is worthwhile for somethinf
pallid quiver
with bad gear, kyveza was i think almost impossible without spell block
Kyveza is also interesting, because you couldn't block the initial hit, which hurt a lot, but could block the dot
Just really goes to show that spell block was actually fucked up design wise
crude notch
just think the value of having the chance to back to back sr is worthwhile for s...
except it doesn't do what you think it does
chrome falcon
Kyveza is also interesting, because you couldn't block the initial hit, which hu...
that's not an issue with spell block
next plover
Idk how yall are screaming and crying at the first iteration of PTR💀💀
granite pond
It was a bandaid. But it was a useful one and they haven’t fixed the reason the bandaid was needed
karmic plinth
it does exactly what i think it does
next plover
Like it will be fine yo😂
pallid quiver
I'm not saying it's an issue with spell block
chrome falcon
because paladins deal with the same thing
pallid quiver
Just that it's an interesting case study sort of thing
chrome falcon
Idk how yall are screaming and crying at the first iteration of PTR💀💀
blizzard are literally begging for PTR feedback
karmic plinth
it just gives you flex on being able to sit the cd of one charge of sr and the chance to back to back sr at the cost of a longer cd
dense ingot
Cry and scream early cry and scream often
chrome falcon
what is the protection warrior discord supposed to do when blizzard removes a protection warrior ability on ptr
next plover
blizzard are literally begging for PTR feedback
Feedback and crying are not the same thing
Imo
fluid widget
what is the protection warrior discord supposed to do when blizzard removes a pr...
be optimistic!
chrome falcon
okay we'll stop talking about the changes then
chrome falcon
be optimistic!
no!
errant wagon
I want them to bring the PvP talent into PvE so bad where you can spell reflect -> intervene and SR your allies
chilly brook
anyways I'm off to go see how they've changed Brewmaster
karmic plinth
anyways I'm off to go see how they've changed Brewmaster
they get ignore pain - the brew
undone beacon
I'm assuming between Hunker Down and Spellbreaker we'd take Hunker Down since its more reliable, yeah?
chrome falcon
i can tell you for a fact you are never taking spellbreaker
probably because the talent won't make it to live
but if it does, you're not taking it
undone beacon
they get ignore pain - the brew
Saw that, wildin
chrome falcon
whether you take hunker down is probably entirely contextual, that kind of talent probably ends up being picked on 1 or 2 raid fights for high end progression and nothing else
looks very situational imo
next plover
If I see people crying I’ll let you know.
ty homie 😎
errant wagon
whether you take hunker down is probably entirely contextual, that kind of talen...
seems excellent for M+ tho!
small quail
Depends on the dungeon. Will be mandatory in HOA and Ara Kara
undone beacon
Progression raid is cring this is a M+ house
errant wagon
amen
chrome falcon
seems excellent for M+ tho!
does it? i guess we're taking whatever we can get if they remove spell block but i feel like there are better ways to use a point than making spell reflect reduce 10% more damage
it's halfway down the tree, points are valuable
undone beacon
We're losing Spell Block so the more we can get magic dr the better
errant wagon
spell reflect is essentially on cooldown for me in M+, 10%* more DR is awesome
i mean hell the entirety of big momma fight you just use it basically
small quail
We have no choice. We’ll be spending points to make up for the loss, especially in certain mythic plus content
errant wagon
and floodgate is coming back, yaaaaay
chrome falcon
10% more DR on an ability with 25% uptime... is that worth a talent point?
i genuinely don't know, it might be
errant wagon
I think so. The spacing of big magic damage in M+ lines up with spell reflect cd, on most boss fights anyways
pallid quiver
i genuinely don't know, it might be
it has 35% DR after picking the talent up
that's stronger than some classes' wall
And it just works on any magic damage
even magic damage that's not blockable
crude notch
There's one extra point in that section compared to what is suggested now, anyways.
small quail
What if it reflects a spell though? Does the dr effect go away sooner?
chrome falcon
What if it reflects a spell though? Does the dr effect go away sooner?
no
errant wagon
doubt it, should work like normal spell reflect
chrome falcon
it used to, but the reflection and the DR are separate things now
we had to whine for a whole expansion to get that
two expansions? can't remember
crude notch
And I'm putting that extra point in damage. The rest of y'all can sort out what you'll do without an ability that you've only had for 6 seasons lmao.
undone beacon
Yeah, I think thats well worth the point but it could def end up being a good flex point
chrome falcon
eat shit and die to magic damage constantly, probably
that's what we did before we had it 
crude notch
No
karmic plinth
we are so much tankier baseline than we were in bfa or sl
granite pond
Haven’t there only been 16 m+ seasons in wow history? 6 of them is a pretty big chunk, especially since the first few were the Wild West of development
round cliff
HEY WAIT THEY'RE REMOVING SPELL BLOCK
urban sequoia
chrome falcon
warrior doesn't need a nerf but spell block did
hopefully they figure out a real replacement
round cliff
warrior doesn't need a nerf but spell block did
no i enjoyed taking 0 magic damage 30% of the time actually
it was good that way
undone beacon
I will miss you spell block, rest in piss
crude notch
crashing out over spell block removal is peak class discord behavior I never miss it
chrome falcon
holy fuck what is up with people like this
"lmao prot warriors are concerned about losing one of their strongest abilities with no replacement lmao crashing out"
like fuck off man if you don't want to talk about prot warrior go be in a different channel
undone beacon
matt stop taking the bait
granite pond
crashing out over spell block removal is peak class discord behavior I never mis...
Man you must have a real low threshold for debate if you think this is crashing out lol
You need thicker skin
undone beacon
smh class discord falling for obvious bait
crude notch
lmao
errant wagon
honestly spell block kinda mid, glad its gone
lucid sand
undone beacon
honestly spell block kinda mid, glad its gone
waiter waiter stab them
granite pond
Is it time to talk about bringing back gladiator stance yet?
small quail
@chrome falcon don’t listen to them. Anyone who has played the class have been passionate about it get it
chrome falcon
matt stop taking the bait
i've been falling for people posting bait in here since the second patch of legion when people were pretending focused rage was a bad ability
fathom forge
Is it time to talk about bringing back gladiator stance yet?
i wish
undone beacon
stealing this
stiff gate
Is it time to talk about bringing back gladiator stance yet?
Blizzard about to skip WoD Classic just so they don’t have to hear about this again
lucid sand
stealing this
Dew it
small quail
I just remember bitching before season 2 only to top charts with colossus is season 2
karmic plinth
let them cook spellbreaker more im sure itll bang later
torn gulch
imagine starting m0 week one of the patch and the gear in it is ilvl681 kekw no upgrades
granite pond
We been bitching since vanilla, it’s the best part of the game
chrome falcon
spellbreaker is such a hilariously bad talent that i have to assume it's placeholder
like that might be the worst talent in the game
it cannot be intended to reach live
lucid sand
I mean, if they make Ignore pain stronger as a replacement for losing Spell Block. Maybe I'll be less salty
maybe...
(I don't want to die to spells boss)
errant wagon
Ok instead of dooming over spell block, can we doom over how bad our tier set is?
cus it's goofy as heck
fathom forge
colossus looks good
errant wagon
granite pond
I just want the chains to remain vertical
bleak breach
Ahh that’s what transmog is for
chrome falcon
^
fathom forge
oh ye they look stupid...
granite pond
Gimme my insane head spike
chrome falcon
if the chains stayed like that i would fuck with this tier set like crazy
chrome falcon
but they're obviously defying gravity like everything does in wardrobe
karmic plinth
spellbreaker is such a hilariously bad talent that i have to assume it's placeho...
has to be
chrome falcon
tbh i'd actually like to see them with the gravity working
south zealot
they fall down
granite pond
Boooooo
chrome falcon
boooo!
errant wagon
they fall down
Oh.... this changes everything lol
chrome falcon
yeah instead of being goofy now it's just generic
south zealot
chrome falcon
like insanely generic
south zealot
yes im pandaren no i dont give a fuck
jagged gust
like fuck off man if you don't want to talk about prot warrior go be in a differ...
first time meeting Jordan?
undone beacon
why are we dooming about spell block and tier sets and not BOOMING over FREE RAVAGER WHEEEEE
chrome falcon
free ravager could be lit
granite pond
It’s free ravager proc instead of controlled tho
chrome falcon
the worst part about ravager is pressing it
lucid sand
free rav for M+ will be nuts
toxic pewter
best change coming is battle shout getting 0 second cooldown.. gonna just run around shouting at people
waxen cradle
I have been away from WoW for a few months and just returning, but while yes it does suck spell block is possibly being taken away Blizzard has honestly boxed themselves into a corner with that talent anyway. I mean that give us spell block after clearly not considering it's implications and the difficulty in balancing it and after being shown how ignorant there development teams are now they decide to take it away because they screwed up.
karmic plinth
best change coming is battle shout getting 0 second cooldown.. gonna just run a...
true and real
chrome falcon
I have been away from WoW for a few months and just returning, but while yes it ...
100% this
pallid quiver
free ravager could be lit
I think for people doing raid or higher M+, it'll generally be more worth it if it's at 5 PPM
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto WAKE UP ITS NEWS DAY
cerulean tusk
The worst thing is we getting a Spell Breaker. I hate that it is randon
dusky canopy
sacred flare
oh the tier sets are based on the hero talents
chrome falcon
I have been away from WoW for a few months and just returning, but while yes it ...
i think it was obvious when they gave us spellblock that they didn't know how to fix our core issue with surviving magic, the ability could never survive long term
pallid quiver
The worst thing is we getting a Spell Breaker. I hate that it is randon
why grab a chance immune when you can just make SR cracked
undone beacon
Exactly
crude notch
why grab either when you could do more damage
small quail
The colossus bonuses prot are godlike
chilly brook
they get ignore pain - the brew
their changes seem reasonably good? glad to see RSK being tied into things
errant wagon
why grab a chance immune when you can just make SR cracked
I'm all in on this mentality also. make SR goated and throw away block
true cliff
I'm all in on this mentality also. make SR goated and throw away block
I back this so much
chrome falcon
im pretty disappointed that both of our tier sets are insanely boring
waxen cradle
I would like to think the development teams have half a brain and will not try and bandaid in a talent like "spellbreaker" but we will just have to see where things go
undone beacon
Its day one of a ptr cycle, give feedback and be the change you want to see :3
chrome falcon
and critting is fun
jagged gust
fuck demo, Im crashing some thunder next season
small quail
Less to think about in a high paced game where I can feel lost and overwhelmed, especially on big lulls
crude notch
If you're expecting them to replace spell block with something even remotely comparable to spell block you might've missed the point of them removing it
small quail
I can dig it
chrome falcon
If you're expecting them to replace spell block with something even remotely com...
well blizzard said the point of them removing it is because it was too complicated and knowledge intensive, not because it was broken
granite pond
They’re gonna replace spell block with super mega spell block
chrome falcon
which is obviously dumb as fuck
waxen cradle
We will just simply have to see where continued ptr builds leave us but I for one would be surprised if this spellbrealer talent is anything more than a attempted first build toss up
undone beacon
Spell Block Jr.
jagged gust
I mean they constantly make changes to warrior that make it the premiere newb class
granite pond
Son of Spell Block
karmic plinth
We will just simply have to see where continued ptr builds leave us but I for on...
feels super first draft
chilly brook
I mean they constantly make changes to warrior that make it the premiere newb cl...
isn't that VDH?
jagged gust
taking a button away does make sense from that pov
chilly brook
and bear?
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> WAKE UP ITS NEWS DAY
im dune-ing but im reading the news
jagged gust
sweet, makes parsing easier
lusty grotto
spell block gone, devastator to the side, champ's bulwark gone - check
south zealot
3 targets
chrome falcon
spell block gone, devastator to the side, champ's bulwark gone - check
free shield block functionality baseline with shield charge now
undone beacon
Nim has arrived, please tell me what to think bb
chilly brook
sweet, makes parsing easier
tbh you'll just run BSV and the trinket likely in high keys
lusty grotto
good, thanks matta
jagged gust
Anyone see the WA that combines hekili with the one button rotation? 
lusty grotto
idk yet Pash, i just opened the site
torn gulch
Anyone see the WA that combines hekili with the one button rotation? <:keks:9362...
got fixed already
chrome falcon
Anyone see the WA that combines hekili with the one button rotation? <:keks:9362...
apparently blizz already killed that shit lmao
jagged gust
ong
chrome falcon
thank god
arctic lagoon
Shield Charge now grants Shield Block.
Best Served Cold has been updated – Your dodges and parries make your Revenge cost no Rage 20% more frequently and increase the damage your free Revenges deal by 15%. Revenge increases the damage of your next Thunder Clap by 8%. Moved to row 4.
I feel like they gave us too much power with this revenge change. our AOE is gonna blast even harder in M+
jagged gust
spin to win?
torn gulch
exchanging 45k strenght for 15% of your maximum health
fathom forge
kinda just thrown this together as a basic in PTR thoughts?
undone beacon
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1385029541902...
You're not Nim >:c
lusty grotto
im fucking glad juggernaught is removed though
karmic plinth
i liked it conceptually
chilly brook
bad in how it works rn
karmic plinth
sucked to keep it up with sd
chrome falcon
juggernaut+execute cleave would have cooked
chilly brook
Arms needs the same treatment on that end
crude notch
there's all of four people from this discord that I trust enough to tell me how to feel about these changes
arctic lagoon
I think not having to manually press Ravager is nice but also eh
granite pond
there's all of four people from this discord that I trust enough to tell me how ...
Aww, you’re welcome bb
chrome falcon
there's all of four people from this discord that I trust enough to tell me how ...
well i'm glad that you have the awareness to not trust yourself
that's a relief
lusty grotto
i dont like the spell block change, and i dont like devastator being to the side, should be baseline
chilly brook
I won't pretend to say that this is net positive, it all depends on a lot of things.
waxen cradle
As I said even giving us spell block in the first place was exceptionally stupid decision because it corrected a issue that plagued prot warriors heavily but it was compounded in its stupidity because they poorly tested it and after seeing it's in game implications put them in a place where now they feel they have to remove it. tldr : Not a bright move on blizzards part and they cant simply rip that bandaid off now
crude notch
Mattacate, I need you to understand, you're certainly not one of them
lusty grotto
spellbreaker should at the very least be higher chance with lower mit
as a replacement
urban bane
oh jordan is back
patent osprey
Santa is leaving coal in the warrior devs stocking this year
pastel dew
Are we mastery stacking in 11.2?
urban bane
Santa is leaving coal in the warrior devs stocking this year
coal or 💩
chrome falcon
Are we mastery stacking in 11.2? <:keks:936231610850897992>
no
karmic plinth
kinda just thrown this together as a basic in PTR thoughts?
dont think you're taking thunderlord as colo
chilly brook
I know jordan doesn't trust me
undone beacon
fair enough
bleak breach
torn gulch
seems the artefact cloak might have powers attached to it as there are items in raid that empower those powers
bleak breach
kinda just thrown this together as a basic in PTR thoughts?
I’d make those changes at a minimum
sinful copper
Removing the spell block is next tier? Or going live now?
crude notch
dont think you're taking thunderlord as colo
how you skipping thunderlord?
pastel dew
Removing the spell block is next tier? Or going live now?
Next tier.
chrome falcon
Mattacate, I need you to understand, you're certainly not one of them
wow and i thought things were going so well with us!
lusty grotto
next tier
sinful copper
Oh ok
lusty grotto
yeah spell block hurts us a shitton, idk what they are thinking
bleak breach
how you skipping thunderlord?
Thunderlord no good in colossus
chrome falcon
yeah spell block hurts us a shitton, idk what they are thinking
did you read their justification?
sinful copper
Just give us 20% flat magic Dr instead and I'll be happy
crude notch
but what are you doing with that point is my point
waxen cradle
They will have to do something more to cover the truly oozing bleed they have just ripped the bandaid off of so as I said "turdbreaker" will need to be buffed or reworked in some way to have some relevance or blizzard just shows there ignorance yet again.
lusty grotto
yeah the justification is fine
bleak breach
but what are you doing with that point is my point
I’d make the changes I did, white gone and green in
lusty grotto
i just dont think the replacements are any good
chrome falcon
the justification makes absolutely no mention of the insane power level of spell block
sinful copper
Yeah they're like spell block is confusing AF so we're just removing it
chrome falcon
which is what confuses me
karmic plinth
bsc or the execute talent id go for
chrome falcon
the ability is absolutely broken, that's why it should be removed
lusty grotto
i can understand their reasoning
chrome falcon
not because it's inconsistent
karmic plinth
from that guys pic at least
mighty valley
remember our initial change list for this patch was pure ass and we landed alright
crude notch
I’d make the changes I did, white gone and green in
you missed a green
granite pond
The reason for its existence still needs to be addressed tho
chrome falcon
it's inconsistent because they made it inconsistent
lusty grotto
i just feel they've dunked us back to "weak to magic" status
sinful copper
the ability is absolutely broken, that's why it should be removed
It's not absolutely broken lol. If it were, pwar would be #1 tank
fathom forge
you wouldnt take disrupting???
chrome falcon
spell block is absolutely 100% a broken ability
if you think spell block is balanced, you're out of your mind
mighty valley
it’s extremely strong… in very specific places
lusty grotto
right
bleak breach
you wouldnt take disrupting???
I did too, probably the spell reflect buffed talent
granite pond
it’s extremely strong… in very specific places
Like me
sinful copper
if you think spell block is balanced, you're out of your mind
Broken but vdh is miles ahead of us. Please explain
bleak breach
you wouldnt take disrupting???
Na stuff that
chrome falcon
i guess my point is that spell block is ridiculously powerful in certain spots because it has to be
lusty grotto
theres pros and cons
bleak breach
Yep
chrome falcon
because otherwise we would just be floor pov perma
bleak breach
because otherwise we would just be floor pov perma
Come on man
It’s not that bad lol
karmic plinth
if thunderlord was strong for colo we would be taking it now when the alternatives arent that great
lusty grotto
it would be rough for us if we didnt have it, so hes right
bleak breach
What can you 100% not survive without spell block
crude notch
Hyperbole and Mattacate sleep in the same bed together
lusty grotto
do any of you guys remember how we did Rixxa?
sinful copper
because otherwise we would just be floor pov perma
U can tank up to 15-16 keys without ever pressing spell block once in a key
chrome falcon
It’s not that bad lol
no offence man i really don't want this to come across as rude but when i asked if you had done kyveza on mythic, i didn't mean world rank 1500 with absolutely full bis
karmic plinth
do any of you guys remember how we did Rixxa?
wasnt it some never surrender texh or some shit
bleak breach
Not denying it wouldn’t be worse but it’s not like we would just be bad
bleak breach
no offence man i really don't want this to come across as rude but when i asked ...
There it is
lusty grotto
spamming IP because its the only thing we have outside of big defensives like wall and demo (no SR MDR either) was not fun
and was never fun
spell block made that boss a lot better
and SR MDR
arctic lagoon
ignore pain spam was annoying as fuck
lusty grotto
now consider how we'll do a similar scenario after these changes
chrome falcon
i feel like i'm talking to a bunch of people who didn't try to do high level shadowlands keys without spell block and don't know what it's like to die to 2 shadow bolt casts because your dps fucked up your kicks
crude notch
Even without spell block pwar is stronger against magic than it was in BFA though
chrome falcon
who have no idea how hard spell block is carrying us in certain spots
waxen cradle
As I said Blizzard has backed themselves into a corner with no way out with the entire initial introduction of spell block. They will have to do something to cover back up the wound until the next expac and then they can go back to the old drawing board if they want, but this is a poor time to leave a gushing wound.
lusty grotto
absolutely jordan
karmic plinth
Even without spell block pwar is stronger against magic than it was in BFA thoug...
100%
torn gulch
Welcome Protection Warriors! There are a number of changes to your talents and talent tree coming in 11.2. We’d like to share our goals for these changes and how we approached them.
Many of Protection Warrior’s talents in each gate provide either key capabilities or extremely powerful bonuses that make those talents “locked in.” As a result, Protection Warrior builds don’t change much in different situations or based on personal preferences.
In 11.2 there are still many key, high power talents in the Protection tree, such as Strategist, Shield Specialization, Shield Charge, and Shield Wall. But in this version of the tree, we tried to ensure you have some points left after taking the “must take” talents in each gate. We did this by rearranging the tree to remove some bottleneck talents, making Challenging Shout baseline, and reducing the power of some current “must take” talents so they’re at a comparable power level with optional or utility talents.
The best examples of this type of power equalization are Enduring Alacrity and Focused Vigor, which granted lots of defensiveness and stats. The new versions are still broadly useful boosts, but more specific alternatives are more competitive with their power now. Where talents lost power in this way, we gave it back in other talents or abilities so your overall power level remains similar.
Once we freed up some flexibility to choose more talents based on situation and personal preference, we wanted to add some options to let you lean in to different aspects of your kit or customize your defenses . You can opt for more physical or magic damage reduction based on the needs of an encounter. There’s a more accessible suite of Execute talents if you want to emphasize that source of damage. Tough as Nails is a more useful tool for holding AOE threat. Bloodborne is easier to take if you’re looking for more passive damage. And so on.
We are excited to see the builds you try and will be watching this thread for feedback!
lusty grotto
yes ty
bleak breach
who have no idea how hard spell block is carrying us in certain spots
Na, just not whinging over something we don’t need to on repeat.
sinful copper
Iunno why people are dooming now. These are just early leaks. Will be changed so much by the time it goes live
arctic lagoon
Iunno why people are dooming now. These are just early leaks. Will be changed so...
THIS RIGHT HERE
lusty grotto
im gonna start doing my rounds of repeating what we should be doing: give feedback
arctic lagoon
we have like 3 more changes
granite pond
Having these conversations is how you get feedback going
lusty grotto
here's a good point for spell block though: the fact that spell block is fine is due to the fact we have no self sustain
if we had both, it would be 500% broken
chrome falcon
here's a good point for spell block though: the fact that spell block is fine is...
well they're buffing fueled by violence, so we don't have to worry about that anymore 😎
south zealot
bro is skolex
lusty grotto
not having self sustain but baseline MDR that can be RNG based is BAD BAD BAD
arctic lagoon
dont worry guys we have victory rush kekw
lusty grotto
that's taking into considerartion the FbV changes (which im sure its just a bug fix to what Sense reported months ago)
undone beacon
bro is skolex
bro will never be skolex
torn gulch
if we have decent self sustain next season i'll be fine with no spell block
chrome falcon
victory rush is good don't hate on victory rush
chrome falcon
if we have decent self sustain next season i'll be fine with no spell block
there is a 0% chance prot warrior will get good self sustain
sinful copper
Has self sustain ever been the core of pwar?
chrome falcon
no
undone beacon
here's a good point for spell block though: the fact that spell block is fine is...
New Nim Nickname just dropped
sinful copper
Exactly lol
chrome falcon
very intentionally no
high aspen
new talent name
undone beacon
sorry replied to the wrong message
undone beacon
im gonna start doing my rounds of repeating what we should be doing: give feedba...
this one
granite pond
384072 is my favorite talent
sinful copper
It's diff from other tanks because our mitigation has always been high and didn't have self sustain. That's what differentiated from vdh and bdk
torn gulch
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior-class-changes/577491
time for feedback boys
toxic pewter
did execute get better or worse with new talents I cant tell.. is there a world where execute prot warr could be a thing
lusty grotto
im just saying that we need something like spell block due to the fact that we're not a self sustain tank
urban bane
Skritchin
lusty grotto
or at least something more reliable
urban bane
my shit
crude notch
and no, "give us back spell block" is not feedback
sharp dew
im just saying that we need something like spell block due to the fact that we'r...
Just tell your healer to heal you more 
bleak breach
did execute get better or worse with new talents I cant tell.. is there a world ...
Better on average
toxic pewter
i like how 35% execute and 8sec sb are not choice nodes anymore
karmic plinth
i think we will get it through tuning to hunker down and spellbreaker
lusty grotto
this aint it, my thought is make it higher chance and lower MDR obviously
chrome falcon
where do i put my "remove AMS from BDK as well" feedback
does that go in the warrior thread or the DK thread
bleak breach
i like how 35% execute and 8sec sb are not choice nodes anymore
Yep, great change.
karmic plinth
this aint it, my thought is make it higher chance and lower MDR obviously
this should be like 30 / 30 or something
south zealot
mattacate you seem miserable
toxic pewter
does that talent where execute hits 3 targets.. i take it just the main target needs to be in execute range right
granite pond
Increase the proc chance each time it doesn’t happen? Would still get wasted on minor events tho
bleak breach
where do i put my "remove AMS from BDK as well" feedback
What do BDK mitigate without it? We take 0 physical damage lol
granite pond
Unless you give it a damage minimum
chrome falcon
mattacate you seem miserable
thanks!
bleak breach
it’s not even a good cop out
south zealot
i mean ams is disgustingly op
lusty grotto
just have it be 20% chance without block up, and 60% chance with at 40% MDR, no additional button needed, and above all: make it consistently work ON EVERYTHING MAGIC
bleak breach
does that talent where execute hits 3 targets.. i take it just the main target n...
I’d assume it’s similar range to revenge
granite pond
just have it be 20% chance without block up, and 60% chance with at 40% MDR, no ...
Would be nice indeed
toxic pewter
think im gonna become an execute prot warr
bleak breach
just have it be 20% chance without block up, and 60% chance with at 40% MDR, no ...
Just add to mastery and build in with critical block so we’ve got same chance to spell block as critical block
lofty warren
updated tier lists available based on upcoming tuning?
lusty grotto
hm nah
it shouldnt be as strong as baseline block >> given it working on everything
bleak breach
think im gonna become an execute prot warr
Oh yeah, I ain’t take last stand or anything just full dps
granite pond
But that might make mastery useful and we can’t have that
south zealot
updated tier lists available based on upcoming tuning?
pepega i genuinely wonder what goes through your mind when you ask things like this
lofty warren
i cant even read these damn notes. who goes up and who goes down?
south zealot
changes were announced literally 3 hours ago
undone beacon
With the removal of spell block, its cool we actually get to take Tough as Nails!!
cinder marsh
does anyone know why my damn screen keeps going green?
bleak breach
With the removal of spell block, its cool we actually get to take Tough as Nails...
No we don’t
south zealot
With the removal of spell block, its cool we actually get to take Tough as Nails...
i dare you to try and path there
lusty grotto
With the removal of spell block, its cool we actually get to take Tough as Nails...
lmao
karmic plinth
just have it be 20% chance without block up, and 60% chance with at 40% MDR, no ...
this would be nuts for magic dots
chrome falcon
updated tier lists available based on upcoming tuning?
prot warrior is the worst spec in the game and might actually struggle to kill hogger; all other tanks should be capable of soloing 26s
undone beacon
IMMEDIATE THREE REPLIES
bleak breach
It’s in a crap spot you wouldn’t go to
undone beacon
I WIN
crude notch
pepega i genuinely wonder what goes through your mind when you ask things like t...
air
cinder marsh
and it better not be bacause hulk hacked my pc
lusty grotto
pash you won sir
south zealot
prot warrior is the worst spec in the game and might actually struggle to kill h...
the way you talk makes me think you believe this tbh
l0l
anyways who wanna boost me i need 10s
karmic plinth
With the removal of spell block, its cool we actually get to take Tough as Nails...
i remembered thinking it was so cool in s1 df until we realised spbl was cracked
granite pond
Are 10s still considered boosts?
lofty warren
did pwar get buffs or nerfs?
granite pond
Yes
bleak breach
Read
pallid quiver
did pwar get buffs or nerfs?
mix-and-match
bleak breach
Patch notes are on Wowhead
chrome falcon
the way you talk makes me think you believe this tbh
im always serious, and don't call me shirley
sharp dew
That’s cuz you’re a Pepega
pallid quiver
We'll drop in armor, lose Def CDs, gain some passive defenses,
waxen cradle
Read them upside down
sharp dew
pallid quiver
Loss in some revenge damage, execute stonks up,
chrome falcon
i cant understand patch notes they make no sense to me
there's a real post that came a little while after that is actually readable
lofty warren
let me see
torn gulch
Restore spell block as a talent or baseline, you can’t push half the dungeons without it.
:)))))
chrome falcon
yeah that was me
granite pond
New talent: Magic Deflection. Identical to spell block but new name
bleak breach
I hope the leave it out so you have something to whinge about
frosty mango
anyone have the NA feedback thread?
Yea I got you hold on
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
you son of a bitch
granite pond
Well played sir
chrome falcon
waxen cradle
lmao
undone beacon
huge
Spell Absorption: For 30 seconds you absorb all spells into your face, taking 100% of the damage.
frosty mango
I been playing on ptr a bit
granite pond
If you survive, Kamehameha
lusty grotto
NA: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior-class-changes/2119964/1
EU: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior-class-changes/577491
torn gulch
frosty mango
Execute aoe with sudden death feels….clunky
lusty grotto
enjoy the wall of embeds
chrome falcon
an actual line from their design notes: "Tough as Nails is a more useful tool for holding AOE threat"
come on man
what the fuck are we doing here
i'm using a talent that requires me to be actively taking melee swings to hold aoe threat?
frosty mango
an actual line from their design notes: "Tough as Nails is a more useful tool fo...
Yeah because we definitely needed help with holding threat
chrome falcon
i need to spend talent points for holding threat?
cerulean tusk
what the fuck are we doing here
They removed the ICD, it is actually not bad now
chrome falcon
it's not about it being bad
it's about blizzard thinking we should be taking talents for holding aoe threat in 2025
frosty mango
I dunno I just wanna live my best thane execute life
undone beacon
more like thane sexecute
frosty mango
My hopium is we end up thane execute slamming
Because then I could hit 3500 while watching Netflix
cerulean tusk
What is wrong with having a talent that is passive and uncapped threat control? I like spikes
waxen cradle
Raging Absorption : Taking continual spells to the face causes you to generate 100% more rage with all abilities. Ignore Pain is now capped at 1 cast 😛
chrome falcon
What is wrong with having a talent that is passive and uncapped threat control? ...
threat is a garbage mechanic and every patch where threat is an active concern is worse because of it
prisma crane
agreed
cerulean tusk
I don't struggle with threat, so can't really relate
crude notch
Based
cerulean tusk
prisma crane
I don't struggle with threat, so can't really relate
that's not the point, there's times it has mattered, and it doesnt make the game better, at all
chrome falcon
I don't struggle with threat, so can't really relate
me neither and i think i'd like to keep it that way, which is why i'm confused that blizz thinks holding threat is worth a talent point
frosty mango
Yesterday I opened on the first boss of top with 23m dps and the dh lost threat and I cried for him
chrome falcon
and again, how exactly is a talent that requires you to get melee swinged going to be good at threat generation
so is this jordan dude like the new apb or what
crude notch
oh honey
runic granite
Threat generation talents are just fundamentally uninteresting and a bad thing
round pendant
holy shit I alt f4'd on the mage quarter boss
chrome falcon
Threat generation talents are just fundamentally uninteresting and a bad thing
amen
frosty mango
and again, how exactly is a talent that requires you to *get melee swinged* goin...
They didn’t say it helped with gather only with threat
undone beacon
holy shit I alt f4'd on the mage quarter boss
F in chat
candid yacht
its a great day to be a prot warrior ! 
chrome falcon
They didn’t say it helped with gather only with threat <:keks:936231610850897992...
like am i playing fucking classic with shield spikes or something???
runic granite
I don’t want threat to be a thing we ever think about as any role if everyone is doing their job
wooden spruce
so we will get a veredict after ptr starts but what are the concensus so far from about the upcoming changes?
frosty mango
its a great day to be a prot warrior ! <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
That’s gonna get you shot today
undone beacon
crude notch
so we will get a veredict after ptr starts but what are the concensus so far fro...
honestly better reroll to bear
lofty warren
all i see if fucking PVP changes
undone beacon
all i see if fucking PVP changes
scroll up 4hed
frosty mango
like am i playing fucking classic with shield spikes or something???
Yeah they’re also removing addons didn’t you hear bro? We’re going back to the full classic experience. Go install damagemeters and xperl
prisma crane
wait, so does shield charge just give us a charge to block so now we still have to spend the rage to use that block?
chrome falcon
i think i'd rather install final fantasy 14, and that game fucking blows right now
mighty valley
tough as nails is fine if it does good damage and we won’t take it if it doesn’t. how is this one controversial
wooden spruce
honestly better reroll to bear
that bad? i rerolled bdk and now it seems they also are getting gutted
chrome falcon
tough as nails is fine if it does good damage and we won’t take it if it doesn’t...
because of blizzard's logic when they make the statement "Tough as Nails is a more useful tool for holding AOE threat"
runic granite
If all tanks are bad then none of them are?
crude notch
TRUE
waxen cradle
Bare in mind the people presenting these changes are also they same people that think giving casuals a excuse to use 1 button rotations could be anything but a terrible idea
sinful copper
If they're all bad, then we run 3 DPS/2 healers
prisma crane
If all tanks are bad then none of them are?
which leads to none playing and empty groupfinders 🙂
cerulean tusk
tough as nails is fine if it does good damage and we won’t take it if it doesn’t...
It isn't, ppl just see it not as another safety net. But planned must have add
candid yacht
That’s gonna get you shot today
im saying that while im digging through my desk for a rusty razor....
heavy sparrow
i think i'd rather install final fantasy 14, and that game fucking blows right n...
Lmfao
frosty mango
Ff14 is fire right now wdym
crude notch
on fire*
chrome falcon
(i like ff14)
frosty mango
Wait skyhold actually has blocked content?
prisma crane
tons of it
frosty mango
That’s wild I’ve never had a message blocked lol
lofty warren
TOO MANY WORDS where does this put pwar in tier list
chrome falcon
That’s wild I’ve never had a message blocked lol
i've had 3 blocked in the last hour
which is probably a poor reflection on me but i'll be blaming blizzard regardless
prisma crane
@chrome falcon all it takes is an empassioned argument to find those lines REAL quickly lmao
mighty valley
TOO MANY WORDS where does this put pwar in tier list
SSS+
frosty mango
All I said was ff14 has cat girl “parties”
lofty warren
HELL YEA WEE BACK
frosty mango
Except I didn’t say party
lofty warren
THUNDERCLAP TIER?
chrome falcon
wow i love pressing thundercl 
crude notch
i've had 3 blocked in the last hour
Are you being a naughty boy mattacate?
willow portal
if season 3 would be prot war im celebrating
jagged gust
THUNDERCLAP TIER?
THUNDERCLAP TIER
lofty wren
So much negativity and dooming it is insane, I don't see any big problems with this changes. And I am happy they remove spell block fukc that ability
lusty grotto
just ignore
willow portal
how do we survive priory without spellblock?
lusty grotto
they trolling
willow portal
D:
chrome falcon
oh boy
i forgot how bad this place is for my blood pressure i'm disappearing for another 18 months
prisma crane
i forgot how bad this place is for my blood pressure i'm disappearing for anothe...
i can relate
cerulean tusk
thats a one guy when i see it
I can see where he come from tho. If you didnt do content where you saw the value. You can easily see it as unremarkable or boring
waxen cradle
Oh dude if I dont have blood shooting out my ears 1 hour in i'm not having fun
jagged gust
So about the mega dungeon, I skipped most of SL, was Tazavesh a fun one?
lofty wren
I mean I read all thia and it is full on depression, and is ready the notes it ain't that bad okej they will work still o. It but here you are tayping like the class is gone for good
chrome falcon
i can relate
in a few months this place is going to be dominated by discussions about codex of the first technique again and i'm not mentally, spiritually or emotionally ready for it
willow portal
I know it might look like thunderclap season, but demolish tier set seems crazy no?
chrome falcon
So about the mega dungeon, I skipped most of SL, was Tazavesh a fun one?
tazzavesh market has two of the worst sections of any dungeon ever put into mythic +
frosty mango
tazzavesh market has two of the worst sections of any dungeon ever put into myth...
This is the doom we need
chrome falcon
tazzavesh gambit is pretty fun though
lusty grotto
yeah anyone typing full on diarrhea is very clearly a troll
waxen cradle
I think you just discovered Nim's new name without trying
chrome falcon
This is the doom we need
AM I FUCKING WRONG???
jagged gust
Was it the dungeon where everyone was salivating over spell reflect value?
sharp dew
Better make sure yourgrp is purging in streets or you’re dead as pwarr
chrome falcon
actually i have some faith in the blizzard of 2025 to fix the trading section of tazzavesh
lusty grotto
your group
cerulean tusk
I like the change to our shield spike tho huge W
chrome falcon
and maybe the several minutes of random RP bullshit
jagged gust
I dont dislike RP
chrome falcon
tazzavesh market last boss is cool as fuck though
chrome falcon
amen
chrome falcon
yeah i feel like i was in tazzavesh like... 2 patches ago
frosty mango
Ptr went kaput sad
chrome falcon
how long has it actually been? 2 years? longer?
cerulean tusk
Who knows, feels like yesterday
jagged gust
2 years ago i think we were in DF
sharp dew
Over 2 years
cerulean tusk
Probably, Cam. But wait for tuning
chrome falcon
i thought taza came back in DF at some point?
jagged gust
Demolish is cool and all, but MT better be popping off in S3
chrome falcon
i guess not hm
sharp dew
i thought taza came back in DF at some point?
Nah
crude notch
SL S3 and SL S4
chrome falcon
anyway yeah taza is honestly very close to a good dungeon
the gameplay in market is good
toxic pewter
u guys figure out the meta spec tree talent build yet
jagged gust
hopefully not too many... spells...
chrome falcon
but the RP sections are an affront to the idea that m+ is a speedrun/time trial gameplay mode
gentle ore
Click button, charge, shield block, then faceroll, guaranteed to finish a m0. 11/10 trust
chrome falcon
yes i asked max and he's already got his tanks gearing 3 pwarrs each
jagged gust
Pwar is always rwf in my heart
crude notch
uwu
chrome falcon
neither hero talent will be meta, they are both dps loss
crude notch
you are 100% joking
chrome falcon
i have to believe you're joking
undone beacon
cerulean tusk
Nobody will know before after we seen the bosses in the raid
chrome falcon
if you're not joking then i truly need to get off this discord
runic granite
Ok but you think we are joking
jagged gust
We should ask them to fix colossus's MT's Intervene/Stormbolt talent
jagged gust
sucks having a 100% dead talent node
runic granite
They got to rid of juggernaut, there is hope
silent frigate
warrior outlaw is the new meta
cerulean tusk
It didn't stack high enough to be fub
jagged gust
"I call this super saiyan 2"
chrome falcon
there's still time to pretend you're baiting
if you say you're baiting now, we all promise to pretend to believe you
chrome falcon
realistically what is probably going to happen is that blizz is going to realise that removing spell block with 0 compensation is fucking stupid
and massively compensation buff us
to the point that we're too good
runic granite
what is this weird juggernaut hatred
The rng just wasn’t fun
crude notch
Ask again in 2 months we'll let you know
chrome falcon
hahahahahaha
this is exactly what happened this season
runic granite
Why would gearing up your warrior now matter
chrome falcon
wdym "sweet summer child" that literally exactly happened this season
crude notch
I actually hurt my neck from that whiplash
cerulean tusk
We won't get a buff, before it is a problem again. That reaches down to the m10 level
That will be a while
chrome falcon
Mattacate went from full dooming to full coping, I like it
i'm not coping, i am assuming blizzard will always do the dumbest thing possible
velvet elbow
yo boys, we whining on the forums or what
chrome falcon
and on average i will be correct
jagged gust
watch out, the last time our class made a big forum post they buffed Slam by 20%
cerulean tusk
I whine in here. As I am not too bothered overall.
chrome falcon
they'll see us complaining about spell block removal, randomly buff our stamina + damage again, we'll absolutely stomp fuckin... +9s or something, and then get tapped down again a few weeks into the patch
cerulean tusk
I hate Spell Breaker as a concept tho
waxen cradle
He is going through the 5 stages of dooming dont worry he will circle back around
velvet elbow
spellbreaker aint being talented ever
toxic pewter
I can see them buffing spellbreaker. What % would make it good
chrome falcon
i will bet all of my vault RNG for 11.2 that spellbreaker is not hitting live
cerulean tusk
I can see them buffing spellbreaker. What % would make it good
0%
toxic pewter
I’d take it if it was 15% proc chance
cerulean tusk
We dont want that RNG shir
velvet elbow
yo make it a cd that blocks all for 30sec ezpz :^)
jagged gust
Warrior gets buffed, becomes meta, the discord becomes inundated with people asking how much vers they need just in time for Jordan's return
We're healing
chrome falcon
We're healing
well we're definitely not blocking anymore
so we need to start healing to make up for it
brave sapphire
I played belf since legion and refused to go nelf forever. I caved 3 weeks ago, now they give us a potion. Babyrage.
chrome falcon
I played belf since legion and refused to go nelf forever. I caved 3 weeks ago, ...
well on the plus side, you're not belf anymore
so you're still winning
crude notch
nah i came in here hoping someone i valued would give a proper opinion i got that. i'm just people watching at this point.
runic granite
As long as demolish big numbers then my brain happy
lusty grotto
Ok i posted
toxic pewter
New tree seems much better in my opinion
jagged gust
well on the plus side, you're not belf anymore
That is a big plus, belf eyebrows kill the vibe of all my mogs
brave sapphire
Can't believe i am paying blizz again to change to dwarf, 3 weeks after i swapped to nelf TT
bleak breach
New tree seems much better in my opinion
Just needs a few movement
I think FTF and the def stance buff could be combined
toxic pewter
I’m actually tired of current tree where every point is like a gift from god and no wiggle room
bleak breach
There’s a couple of useless talents you have to take to get to other stuff too
lean ledge
crude notch
Whirling Blade isn't working D:
bleak breach
Heaps more wiggle room then old tree
lofty warren
can someone explain to me what is going on with DK? they arelike 40% of the all the patch notes
chrome falcon
Heaps more wiggle room then old tree
sure like what
bleak breach
Unholy and frost reworks
chrome falcon
this isn't a loaded question
runic granite
can someone explain to me what is going on with DK? they arelike 40% of the all ...
Both frost and UH are getting huge changes
toxic pewter
Massacre and enduring defenses no longer choice node. Seems they are offering an interesting “execute prot warr” build that could be cool. Not sure it will work, lower sections not having to be bogged down by shield charge extra points, other stuff too
lean ledge
So nerf important defensive talents so that you can take more useless "utility" nodes without it feeling as bad??
lofty warren
where will the DK specs be in tier list after all these words and changes?
or totally unknown bc its like a hole new spec?
cerulean tusk
Massacre and enduring defenses no longer choice node. Seems they are offering an...
Execute build with no jugg tho, is kinda zzz
No excitement
chrome falcon
where will the DK specs be in tier list after all these words and changes?
DK will struggle to clear shadowlands heroic dugeons after the patch
toxic pewter
Execute build with no jugg tho, is kinda zzz
No excitement
Yeah damn they did remove juggernaut wat in the world lol. That is less fun for sure
jagged gust
DK is gonna come down to tuning as always?
cerulean tusk
Noone cares, spec is dead
cerulean tusk
We are already yapping
lusty grotto
yes
lean ledge
then back to discord yapping
just posted a screenshot of this a couple lines up lol
lusty grotto
thats why i broke the yapping for a second 🙂
lofty warren
what is the fuck they remove spell reflect???
crude notch
battering ram gone, imma blow up
lusty grotto
ladies and gentlemen, pepega is finally up to date
crude notch
whirling blade isn't working on PTR, its over team
bleak breach
this isn't a loaded question
Huh?
toxic pewter
The auto ravager is actually fun and seems to proc decently often.
lusty grotto
just posted a screenshot of this a couple lines up lol
what does a screenshot do?
bleak breach
I thought you weren’t talking to me anymore because my guild was only rank 1500 for Kyveza 😦
lofty warren
HOW IN THE FUCK THEY GONNA REMOVE SPELL REFLECT THEY BETTER MAKE THIS SHIT BASELINE
lusty grotto
can you click the screenshot?
toxic pewter
HOW IN THE FUCK THEY GONNA REMOVE SPELL REFLECT THEY BETTER MAKE THIS SHIT BASEL...
lol
crude notch
LMAO
lean ledge
what does a screenshot do?
lets you read it without leaving discord?
bleak breach
HOW IN THE FUCK THEY GONNA REMOVE SPELL REFLECT THEY BETTER MAKE THIS SHIT BASEL...
Block* not reflect
crude notch
🤓 actually yes
bleak breach
ladies and gentlemen, pepega is finally up to date
Did you see the tierlist request earlier?
lusty grotto
lets you read it without leaving discord?
thanks brah, im sure it wasnt linked 20 million times today already by now
moving on
post post
bleak breach
Curious why they have separate forums for it? Wouldn’t a combined feedback forum be more streamline?
chrome falcon
I thought you weren’t talking to me anymore because my guild was only rank 1500 ...
wow i really hit a nerve there! my point was that your perspective on the power level of spell block on that encounter is not quite the same as someone who did it with significantly lower ilvl and fewer threads buffed. while i'm sure spell block wasn't a necessary requirement for you to kill the boss, i think it was very important for people trying to kill it on week 3 / 4 of the patch. as i said, i wasn't trying to be rude!
lusty grotto
Curious why they have separate forums for it? Wouldn’t a combined feedback forum...
im sure it has something to do with laws, etc... without making the joke they cling to outdated systems (cough like the raid lockout)
bleak breach
wow i really hit a nerve there! my point was that your perspective on the power ...
Yes you were, you thought you’d have a big elitist play.
Doesn’t worry me at all, I just knew you’d try to wave something amusing around.
chrome falcon
my dude my guild is like rank 540 or some dogshit
if i'm an elitist, i'm fucking bad at it
bleak breach
Ahh yep, thanks Nim
cerulean tusk
Oh we activated a hurt ego self defence? Tonight keeps giving
lusty grotto
all of you are hard tied
bleak breach
Oh we activated a hurt ego self defence? Tonight keeps giving
Na, he/she I dunno didn’t like something I said so went on a log search to try to find some dirt
chrome falcon
i absolutely did not go on a log search
toxic pewter
And even no buff to rally in 5 man content
lean ledge
Where the fuck our new utility talent
nothing new... just your other stuff is worse so it doesnt feel bad to take the old garbage
bleak breach
Had to or how else would you find it?
floral trail
they will rework rally to give all group members spell block
bleak breach
Apb we got aoe execute, that’s all the utility you need
chrome falcon
Had to or how else would you find it?
there are ~1500 kills on mugzee, which you just said you are very close to killing, it was a reasonable guesstimate
cerulean tusk
all of you are hard tied
They gonna need a lot of Rat in a Hat 🐀 tonight. Enjoy!
small steeple
They gonna need a lot of Rat in a Hat 🐀 tonight. Enjoy!
did someone call for a Rat?
chrome falcon
i don't even know what your character's name is and i promise i do not care enough to look it up even if i did, sometimes when people say they're not trying to be rude, they really aren't trying to be rude
you and me play entirely different fights to people killing bosses in top 100
bleak breach
You do you
near salmon
Okay so maybe ritual mud trinket will end up being mandatory for prot warrior? Big momma in floodgate is going to be terrible next season.
cerulean tusk
Nah, just take Spell Breaker and pray
bleak breach
Okay so maybe ritual mud trinket will end up being mandatory for prot warrior? B...
Gonna be a fun ride, still plenty of time for adjustments.
Nothing will ever be as good as spell block, but I can’t see it staying as is.
Just BSV one cast, pop all cds on next and die on 3rd
brave sapphire
How can a developer say so much wrong things in so few words? There were multiple aoe mechanics which were spell blockable.
pallid quiver
matta, carry me through myth raid next patch, i want the dwagon mount
cerulean tusk
Ok, maybe this is their plan:
- remove spell block
- make more things reflectable, that before could be blocked
Eh?
Saved
chrome falcon
matta, carry me through myth raid next patch, i want the dwagon mount
dude we were talking about this in our raid today
tribal wharf
HOW IN THE FUCK THEY GONNA REMOVE SPELL REFLECT THEY BETTER MAKE THIS SHIT BASEL...
i have a hot yogi take on this okay
chrome falcon
there's 0% chance we are boosting anything next patch
tribal wharf
all of these effects should be baseline, or 1 tree capstone only
chrome falcon
that next raid is about to be thermonuclear, intercontinental ballistic levels of difficulty
i can already feel it
tribal wharf
so like i cant think of a perfect example, wait i can, warlock demon form
pallid quiver
just cheat engine it
near salmon
Ok, maybe this is their plan:
- remove spell block
- make more things reflectab...
I really hope so.
bleak breach
Yo guys this might be the most stupid question ever lol.
But to provide feedback you literally just reply to original post yeah?
bleak breach
Tysm
tribal wharf
and also, i think they really need to remove the ability to cast regular slam and whatever the other thing we as pwar never cast is
not hamstring
chrome falcon
we were so close to pressing whirlwind in shadowlands
bleak breach
Slam should just be ST and revenge aoe, easy
tribal wharf
if you cant buff the ability in the trees, it needs to be out of the spell book, but its more diferent for some casters like druid
bleak breach
Dunno how they never got their head around it
south zealot
Slam should just be ST and revenge aoe, easy
no??
just keep slam as being useless once u are level 11
tribal wharf
because removing the from the spell books
south zealot
why does slam need to be a real button
lusty grotto
slam is just there for leveling
south zealot
read your abilities
tribal wharf
and oh i have this ability so i must use it because its important because they gave it to me
like
tribal wharf
i hope that rant i said makes sense
cerulean tusk
slam is just there for leveling
What if slam turned into shield slam when available?
Problem solved
lusty grotto
yeah
i was just thinking that
same with whirlwind
turn it into revenge or something
tribal wharf
and if there is some weird overlap
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
where this doesnt happen with say paladin
where you judgement since very dawn of wow
and you cant remove or change it
lusty grotto
i mean they did it with cleave this expansion so
tribal wharf
you just ignoire it
and move on to the next one that is a problem
im pretty sure my paladin judgement analogy is a bad call
best one i could come up with on the fly
lusty grotto
anyway back to Dune i go
tribal wharf
im going back to dos trash
lusty grotto
ping me if i need to rat a bitch
lusty grotto
before i go... POST POST POST FEEDBACK
NA: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior-class-changes/2119964/1
EU: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-protection-warrior-class-changes/577491
cerulean tusk
before i go... POST POST POST FEEDBACK
NA: <https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...
No 
lusty grotto
cat does what it likes
solid sun
I haven’t made it to the deep desert yet
waxen cradle
You had to go into the deep desert to find idiots to kill ?
waxen cradle
ah
round pendant
alright I did it
round pendant
mage quarter boss is so cringe
frosty mango
tried as many builds as I could reasonably come up with on ptr
lusty grotto
server has good action
frosty mango
colo revenge spam still seems to be ahead
round pendant
are we talking about dune cause we're all quitting wow because of the changes?
frosty mango
aoe execute spamming thane got kinda close in aoe
chrome falcon
wait
chrome falcon
how do i get the forum to show me as my warrior
lusty grotto
i play 3 mmos now
chrome falcon
and not this dumbass belf mage
lusty grotto
c:
round pendant
I might retire from it for a few expansions
nocturne spindle
aoe execute spamming thane got kinda close in aoe
but new tierset not avail yet right?
frosty mango
but new tierset not avail yet right?
it is not correct
im just testing play feel
thane execute feels gross
chrome falcon
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thank you
it doesn't update the post i already made though despair
now i look like a level 68 mage opining about warrior
undone beacon
anyway back to Dune i go
ill miss u bb
lusty grotto
oh yeah it doesnt