I would imagine if the tier sets are hero talent themed, they all get some kind of buff
#protection
solid sun
karmic plinth
s3 tier sets are based on hero talent not class spec
sullen inlet
slender bison
Another year without Freehold 
undone beacon
Oh god I’ve been working all day haven’t even gotten to look
Will give the detailed breakdown when I’m not swamped with customer meetings
cerulean tusk
For prot, you can bet they will just replace Mortal Strike with Shield Slam
as every single time
:v
karmic plinth
considering we might be hitting drs it mihht change what trinkets we go for
slender bison
Nah, they make set with mastery/versa and maybe force us to get DPS in use trinket
small steeple
everyone forgetting raid trinkets usually OP
or some jank delve trinket like energy drink/mechano core
heady jetty
Hmm, which belt we wanna run with again? nothing in the sticky notes
slender bison
Nah, well run HR with sac stacks (unless they nerf it) and crit for DMG/parry
small steeple
Hmm, which belt we wanna run with again? nothing in the sticky notes
DISC belt i think
heady jetty
DISC? See no such version?
slender bison
Mud is covered by Flood, unless new dungeon gives some sick trinket
small steeple
DISC? See no such version?
thats just the name of the belt itself
warm plinth
DISC? See no such version?
We use the default for raid/st and static burst for m+/aoe
heady jetty
Ah, i meant which affix on it thanks
topaz latch
can pwar charge/intervene/SC the dud bombs on gally?
lofty glen
Iguess its legit
https://www.wowhead.com/de/news/hero-talent-tier-sets-coming-in-season-3-choose-between-two-options-per-spec-377250
rain light
Wtf
urban sequoia
?
jagged pier
no theres one for colossus one for thane and one for slayer
we have only been given colossus
frosty mango
@undone beacon whats good st dps for guardian at like, 650
jagged pier
that being said the thane one needs to be pretty big
frosty mango
feel like bear cooks
undone beacon
<@165255621468356608> whats good st dps for guardian at like, 650
Uhhh probably around like 800k at 650? To be fair I didnt spend much time at that ilvl lol
topaz latch
yeah i wasnt 650 but at 99% parse i did something like hi 1.5 mil on gally, which was a lot more than i expected
you do have to give up a lot to get good ST dam
urban sequoia
oh shit im doing like 1.5-1.6
JFC 1.5m single target? Are you meaning m+ or raid
frosty mango
Raid
urban sequoia
Okay thats a lot more reasonable
frosty mango
I don’t know much about bear yet but the lunar m+ build has omega poopy st damage it feels like lol
topaz latch
raid yeah sorry
urban sequoia
(both as an ST build and the extra damage from raidbuffs and whatnot)
And gallagio rewards
topaz latch
bear really, really must sacrifice st to do aoe or st to do aoe
frosty mango
Yeah rewards buff is big I think
topaz latch
yeah, sorry, its raid so theres a lot of buff fluffing, forgot to mention that
im not good enough to dotc in M+
frosty mango
I still expected like a mil at 650 I was pleasantly surprised
topaz latch
its not a lot but its more than one would think
iron fur and tome really do pump on bear
urban sequoia
Yeye it's still good just not 'What the FUCK?"
topaz latch
*thorns
frosty mango
You mean it’s not pwar levels of damage 
topaz latch
Yeye it's still good just not 'What the FUCK?"
and you got to give up a lot for that
undone beacon
Oh yeah if you're ripweaving in raid you do huge damage
urban sequoia
I don't raidtank because I get increasing anxiety for each person in a call over 5 >.>
undone beacon
Ripweaving bis and epic
topaz latch
You mean it’s not pwar levels of damage <:keks:936231610850897992>
also pwarr doesnt have to sacrifice nearly as much. if i accidentally (allegedly) did mugzhee as bear in my m+ build, id do terribly, like real bad, but if i did that, allegedly, as pwarr, its not nearly as egregious
frosty mango
also pwarr doesnt have to sacrifice nearly as much. if i accidentally (allegedly...
I dunno pwar m+ spec gives up a lot of st damage
undone beacon
M+ ST is butts cuz Elunes Chosen ST is butts
topaz latch
ripweaving hero tree is one of the best fun per minute ive had in this game
frosty mango
It’s a considerable amount
But bear m+ spec is like egregiously bad at st bc lunar beam
topaz latch
I dunno pwar m+ spec gives up a lot of st damage
it does, but from the bottom of my heart, its not even half of wat bear has to give up to do good ripweaving
frosty mango
Also I think a lot of your aoe damage in m+ as bear is ironfur thorns?
Which would not translate well to st at all
undone beacon
Also I think a lot of your aoe damage in m+ as bear is ironfur thorns?
Most of your AoE should be Moonfire and Thrash
If Thorns is above either of those its a big issue
frosty mango
Most of your AoE should be Moonfire and Thrash
Almost all of mine is those but thorns is a decent chunk
I guess you could maul on st and not ironfur
That’s big brain though I am still smol
undone beacon
Thats technically what you're supposed to do but
Its also annoying so waiter waiter more ironfur
frosty mango
Bear with 15 stacks of ironfur “I am an invincible god”
Ironfur falls off “I am a hairy water balloon”
urban sequoia
In m+, do y'all let shield block fall off in melee packs just to spend the rage on more revenge ever, or is that just too stupid?
undone beacon
shows prot warrior in image
arms warrior set bonus
undone beacon
In m+, do y'all let shield block fall off in melee packs just to spend the rage ...
God no
frosty mango
In m+, do y'all let shield block fall off in melee packs just to spend the rage ...
No
Never ever
If shield block falls off you won’t be able to revenge
On account of you being dead
undone beacon
^
frosty mango
Without shield block you are just a low dps arms warrior
urban sequoia
I mean. No, we still have a pretty good block chance and parry chance and our armor is there
Plus, shield wall
frosty mango
I mean. No, we still have a pretty good block chance and parry chance and our ar...
Go into a like 12+ key
Pull a big pack and don’t press shield block
Come and let us know how that went
urban sequoia
I don't mean never pressing it xD
frosty mango
lol but seriously no you would not want to drop shield block
urban sequoia
But I feel like with pugs the packs die in a weird uneven way
undone beacon
The long and short answer is no, maintaining shieldblock uptime is your #1 priority as a prot warrior and the marginal amount of damage from an extra revenge or two does not mitigate the increased damage intake from letting SB fall off
urban sequoia
And you reach a point where I go 'idk am I better off just dumping my rage and finishing off this pack faster?"
frosty mango
No because it’s ONE revenge
toxic gyro
No
urban sequoia
That's fair :p
frosty mango
It’s a drop in the bucket
undone beacon
Don't forget shield block also increases your Shield Slam damage so are you really killing the pack faster letting it fall off
frosty mango
And would not accelerate the pack dying faster, it would in fact make it die slower because you’d lose a lot of shield slam prio
topaz latch
short answer, no
long answer, noooooooooooooo
urban sequoia
I been trying Into the Fray instead of Heavy Repurcussions and the extra revenge damage over disrupting shout. I don't have 100% shield block uptime with it anymore. do y'all just use the time that it's down as like... Synced with shockwave?
topaz latch
how much haste do you have and do you have your 4pc?
urban sequoia
Have the 4pc, and 20% haste ATM.
I end up with like 90-something percent uptime of shield block
undone beacon
Have the 4pc, and 20% haste ATM.
Whats your actual haste number
Because you only swap to ITF around what, 16k haste?
urban sequoia
I do not have that.
urban sequoia
this is, this is i might come back to wow
What?
topaz latch
i swapped to ITF at 17500, which might be too much
urban sequoia
Oh
tribal wharf
if game development heads in this direction
all in at that point if its all like this
undone beacon
I'm just psyched that tava'zesh is gonna be an actualy city we can hang out in
tribal wharf
i think that waypoint thingy should have a bit of a like, warning sign death zombies do not enter like a ghost, or like a tombstone or like huanted music or something
so even the dumbest player understands
urban sequoia
I'm just psyched that tava'zesh is gonna be an actualy city we can hang out in
What? Where'd they say that?
tacit bolt
Sorry for the noob question but I figured that whirlwind and slam are buttons I never want to press I’m now thinking rend might also be unused on prot as thunderclap already applies it?
tribal wharf
i think when it spawns in it should warp in with a large spirit healer that sticks around for like 15 seconds fades in fades out
make it super apparent what it is
undone beacon
What? Where'd they say that?
In the blue post.
"Not just a dungeon in the Ghosts of K’aresh content update, Tazavesh, the Veiled Market has been brought from the Shadowlands to serve as a home base for adventurers. Glowing glimmering shields of energy protect the city from the dangers of the cosmos beyond allowing the many survivors of this land to have a degree of safety behind them."
undone beacon
Why make a city when you already got one
I mean, real
urban sequoia
I'm really hoping they just make silver Moon the capital city in midnight
undone beacon
Theres a chance
frosty mango
But silver moon as it is now is basically one of those old time western towns where it’s just like a piece of wood that looks like a building with nothing behind it lol
undone beacon
They did say midnight is going to have heavy quel'thalas involvement so
I can see them doing a revamp of the area, bring it out of the BC worldmap
Also why did they make our 11.2 tier set ugly
topaz latch
i didnt really do shadowlands, but why would it become a hub city for next expansion?
topaz latch
Oh, sorry, i misunderstood
undone beacon
i didnt really do shadowlands, but why would it become a hub city for next expan...
Silvermoon is the blood elf captial, from all the way back in BC. Its the ruins of Quel'thalas, the old home of the High Elves and an area blizz said we're gonna be revisiting
topaz latch
so taz for next season, silvermoon for next expac?
undone beacon
Taza'vesh is a Broker city from shadowlands, which has heavy ties to the ethereals
Taz confirmed next season, Silvermoon speculated for next xpac
topaz latch
ah, you got a link to a taz article?
topaz latch
Its in the Bluepost
07
wait
watabout
the haranir and all the unfinished business we got in this big core hole?
undone beacon
What haronir? What sword? What unfinished plot point?!
topaz latch
ur right, mustve been a dream. coulda swore this expac was about bugs and dwarves (rock and stone!)
undone beacon
nah its about the arathi (rock and arathi!)
topaz latch
it makes sense that we now get on a space ship to fight void demons after we went digging underground and found light half elves worshipping a giant quartz crystal with a bug war against beetles and spiders. and something about bat trolls
(ROCK AND LIGHT)
u know what they say, if u dont rock and stone, u arent going back to tazavesh
heavy sparrow
Sorry for the noob question but I figured that whirlwind and slam are buttons I ...
Yes take rend off the bars. Thunderclap will apply it for you
jagged gust
The bat trolls really were outta left field
tacit bolt
Yes take rend off the bars. Thunderclap will apply it for you
That’s what I thought, thanks for the reply
topaz latch
The bat trolls really were outta left field
they have appeared to return back to left field ig
prime sphinx
1 button rotation purple log xd
severe wadi
it says to use the spark burst for m+ however the charged bolt seems to be being decent should i swap?
frosty wave
ANy help on what to take ?
narrow creek
topaz latch
myth shield if u do not have myth shield. then myth weapon if u do not have, but also u can sim for best results.
frosty wave
I didn't see the myth weapon
undone beacon
Behemoth Kneebender, yep
visual spade
frosty mango
Remember when I said
They’d nerf demolish
And/or revenge
I’m not sure if that’s more or less likely now lol
frosty mango
All dps classes are now tanks
nocturne spindle
but hard limited it to one tank spec in a dungeon
frosty mango
All tanks are now dps
nocturne spindle
it wouldnt even be a bad fix
tanks are now just thicc dps with route responsibility
but hard limit them to one per dungeon so tehy can 4 stack tanks
cant*
chilly ermine
whats the best belt enchant for prot?
lyric heath
Sup gang. Any specific time I should pop Signet of the Priory trinket or just whenever?
frosty mango
Sup gang. Any specific time I should pop Signet of the Priory trinket or just wh...
Depends highly on the content and fight but generally speaking, when you pop avatar
nocturne spindle
Sup gang. Any specific time I should pop Signet of the Priory trinket or just wh...
you cry because it lines up with nothing 😦
frosty mango
Yeah the real tech is you pop it in delves while you farm funhouse lens or buy a house of cards, or better yet buy a tome
lyric heath
Hoping for Tome honestly. I have it on all of my other tanks and it’s goated. This guy has myth pacemaker and darkness/signet now. Probs not gonna work towards resilient keys for this one, unfortunately, unless it happens organically
frosty mango
I gave a workshop today on effective technical process writing and I had everyone write a technical process for making a peanut butter sandwich
First step was “put peanut butter on bread” and I just smashed the entire loaf with the jar of peanut butter.
They revised and had me open it etc. so I shoved my whole hand in the jar and then rubbed it on the unopened loaf of bread
My vp while laughing hysterically told me I was being too harsh on them but I think I’m building better writers!
But anyway he knows I play wow and he said “typical warrior behavior” and ngl he’s kinda right
lavish zodiac
Can someone teach me hw does Tome of light's devotion work ?
how should i use it ?
shut summit
meager quail
My vp while laughing hysterically told me I was being too harsh on them but I th...
Tell your VP that a random dude on the internet says he’s wrong and that you’re a Saint for actually teaching technical writing well.
neon elk
Yo guys , do anyone know , can i do turbulent TW event on different chars ? Like do 5 TWs this week on one another 5 next week on other etc etc ? Or has to be same char ?
lavish zodiac
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1349732507062...
I didn't get it , if i wan't to stay on sword only , and i have 45 stacks of swords , if i use it i will swap it back to resi ?
Should i just swap it to sword whenever i can ?
naive panther
torn gulch
next season tier sets are up
hardy snow
tardy abyss
MT set sounds fun but no way it will be anywhere near col in terms of damage
hardy snow
when is proper moment to taunt gallywix on Bigged Badder Bomb Blast so he dont follow run tankbuster target?
jade tartan
Are there rough predictions for 11.2 release?
hardy snow
Are there rough predictions for 11.2 release?
13.08.2025
shut summit
when is proper moment to taunt gallywix on Bigged Badder Bomb Blast so he dont f...
i had best luck taunting immediately when cast finished
jade tartan
13.08.2025
Thanks!
hardy snow
i had best luck taunting immediately when cast finished
thanks, will try that tomorrow, cause today was trying at begining, at half, near end of cast and everytime was different, sometimes he run, sometimes not XD
jagged pier
when is proper moment to taunt gallywix on Bigged Badder Bomb Blast so he dont f...
When the cast finishes, if he moves just literally back step or kove the other way he will notice u arent in melee and move to u
dark barn
tier is ugly, but at least this color pattern remembers me tier 2 (nostalgic)
chrome falcon
HAHAHAH
i better be reading these 11.2 changes wrong
this doesn't mean what i think it means, right?
bleak breach
What does uncategorised mean?
urban bane
🪦
bleak breach
There’s heaps of those in there
chrome falcon
i don't know you can never trust the way these things read
the talent that makes execute cleave is cool
but if they're removing juggernaut... that's pretty cringe
idk we'll see when we actually get a playable build
if they're removing spell block though xddddddd
urban bane
Spellbreaker lul
frosty holly
Ye thats one odd change. Here have random immunity to spell dmg. vs When you actually want it
chrome falcon
this is the worst talent i've ever seen
urban bane
"we heard you liked when your tier randomly gave you possibly life-saving DR so..."
chrome falcon
i assume that just because this says "removed" it doesn't actually mean these things are getting removed
toxic pewter
Rip spell block we hardly knew yee
urban bane
some might be in the general tree now but... kinda a monkaS moment for sure
bleak breach
So does uncategorised mean removed?
chrome falcon
spell block in general tree would be absurd, they can't give that to fury/arms
dudes i think they're removing spell block
we're so cooked
removing spell block just in time for halls of atonement coming back
ecks
dee
torn gulch
wtf are these changes
high aspen
make it scale with your block value 
bright oyster
spell block is very very strong but replacing it with a 4% rng chance is not the play
toxic pewter
Been wanting to be a spellbreaker since wc3. Big win for me
bleak breach
wtf are these changes
More physical DR and damage we don’t need.
Less magic dr
torn gulch
do we have to cry again to get back some of the functionality over the ptr cycle?
shut summit
toxic pewter
Ooh
chrome falcon
wow that's a total rework
bleak breach
https://i.imgur.com/eKSqwXO.png
Is that on wowhead?
shut summit
idk just took the ss from ptr
torn gulch
we re getting smoked
bleak breach
Ahhh yep
torn gulch
again
toxic pewter
Ohh ptr is up nice
bleak breach
we're losing strenght armor stamina
That always happens late tier
chrome falcon
^
bleak breach
Those talents progressively get nerfed
bleak breach
Also we gained new talents in some places gaining similar affects or some have went from 2 points to 1 point but met in the middle
chrome falcon
Spell Block
Developers’ notes: Spell Block required a lot of specialized knowledge to use. Not only did you need to know when damage was coming, but also whether it was a form of magic damage that could be blocked or not and thus affected by the ability. AOE damage isn’t blockable, neither is periodic damage. Some tankbusters are and others aren’t. We weren’t happy with the knowledge demanded to use the ability effectively.
DUNGEONS
BLIZZARD YOU HAVE MENTAL DAMAGE
MAYBE YOU COULD JUST FIX THE ABILITY
frosty mango
Remember earlier when I said we’d prob get nerfed and everyone was like “NO BRO UR CRAZY”
round pendant
wait
chrome falcon
I AM LOSING MY MIND LMAO
round pendant
have they ruiend this spec
torn gulch
actually insane
bleak breach
Calm down guys sheesh
hardy snow
https://i.imgur.com/eKSqwXO.png
bleak breach
There’s heaps of time for adjustment to anything
fast knot
just need some memes and it's a lite version of Fury chat
chrome falcon
they're getting rid of one of our most powerful and important buttons because they can't code abilities to be consistent
floral trail
anyone knows if you ca do nitro boost on the new belt? did not work on my side
bleak breach
Na, only normal gems
frosty mango
shut summit
the justification is absolutely sound but the compensation is fuckin laughable
torn gulch
I have a feeling that a prot warrior cucked someone from blizzard
chrome falcon
the justification is absolutely sound but the compensation is fuckin laughable
yeah i guess my point is that the justification is only accurate because blizzard wasn't consistent about it
bleak breach
the justification is absolutely sound but the compensation is fuckin laughable
Yeah, going to be interesting to see what changes happen.
I’d like to see spell breaker built into mastery instead and maybe just have your block chance to activate?
torn gulch
that we get hit every season
frosty holly
4% is just TO random to ever be of any use
ivory elbow
high aspen
just make the talent scale with block value
frosty holly
Defo needs to mix with something
hardy snow
just give us block for spells like paladins have, but with reduced amount of blocked dmg
chrome falcon
yeah it's extremely easy to change spell block to work in a manner that is consistent and basically the same
bleak breach
We will be okay, stress less
chrome falcon
you change like 5 words on that ability
chrome falcon
We will be okay, stress less
spoken like someone who didn't have to progress mythic kyveza
there have been multiple bosses that would have been almost impossible without spell block
strong forum
tree looks alot more interesting
chrome falcon
the tree is really cool now i agree
chrome falcon
the new execute talent is lit
vocal cave
the way I see new tree its major downgrade 
bleak breach
spoken like someone who didn't have to progress mythic kyveza
Did, but thanks 😘
Just not a doomer
round pendant
@frosty mango can you link me the notes
frosty mango
The execute aoe looks interesting
bleak breach
Yeah, looks really interesting Sense.
chrome falcon
im pretty disappointed they're removing juggernaut though
frosty mango
chrome falcon
i would have had a lot of fun maintaining stacks of that while aoeing
btw
do we think they will nerf/remove AMS as well now
🙂
bleak breach
My guess is they’re trying to streamline the spec so you can do max damage without sacrificing your dr
chrome falcon
we already basically can though
warm plinth
bruh, what; enduring defenses costing 2 points is trash
bleak breach
Versus right now having to play execute and risk dying to parse
chrome falcon
also yeah
mighty valley
Remember earlier when I said we’d prob get nerfed and everyone was like “NO BRO ...
POINT OF ORDER - you were saying they'd nerf us on live before the next patch. i win on a technicality
strong forum
bruh, what; enduring defenses costing 2 points is trash
shield spec is only 1 point now
frosty mango
POINT OF ORDER - you were saying they'd nerf us on live before the next patch. i...
Fair I concede
strong forum
instead of 2
chrome falcon
bruh, what; enduring defenses costing 2 points is trash
we're basically gaining some free points though with shield charge getting a shield block thrown in
bleak breach
Aoe execute will be fun, didn’t we have that ages ago?
warm plinth
Oh okay then
frosty mango
As always things will normalize
toxic pewter
to be fair spell block did kinda suck from a design perspective
chrome falcon
spell block sucks because blizzard's design sucks
mighty valley
yeah i wouldn't flip out, we still have to poke around the tree and there's still tons of tuning to come
chrome falcon
yeah because its design sucks
frosty mango
If they don’t, I have all the other tanks leveled I’ll just switch lol
strong forum
it was so broken that it couldnt be balanced
toxic pewter
well I mean it seems they couldnt figure out what it woul work on
bleak breach
also random ravager procs LOL
Yeah that’s hot
warm plinth
Literally a 30 second ability that lets you reduce magic damage by 50-100% is insane
chrome falcon
yeah i think we're making the same point nomer, it was an incredibly stupid ability
warm plinth
30 second buff*
toxic pewter
it was op when it worked true
chrome falcon
but it needed to be incredibly stupid
mighty valley
also everyone has to remember how fucking garbage the first round of 11.1 changes were and how we came out by the time it made it live haha
warm plinth
Don't fix the bug, just buff it so much that it's better even if bugged
chrome falcon
well they're buffing deep wounds by 15% too right with the new talent
bleak breach
You will play FBV and you will enjoy it Nom
frosty mango
Yoda was just living in the future
strong forum
since theyre nerfing BrV
chrome falcon
so it's even more of an fbv buff
high aspen
this talent is fire as fuck
strong forum
yeah with those values and buffs to bleeds
high aspen
btw
bleak breach
They buffed bloodborne to 1 point didn’t they?
strong forum
FbV prolly clearing
bleak breach
this talent is fire as fuck
Yeah, that’s nutty and there’s a council fight in raid.
undone beacon
Mountain thane bonus, more rng on da rng pog
bleak breach
Yep
strong forum
until further tuning
undone beacon
Yeah, sad at a glance
mighty valley
good, leave thane in the dust
chrome falcon
our new tiers are insanely bedge
hardy snow
since theyre nerfing BrV
wouldnt it be kind of same as it will also work when we dont have ip up yet?
bleak breach
There’s negatives, but there’s also nice positive there too
Like baseline challenging shout
crimson furnace
im actually loving what I was reading
hardy snow
no more execute fun on raid 
frosty mango
crimson furnace
not sure why, but it feels liek its gonna be epic
frosty mango
"Last stand is now a dps cooldown"
strong forum
wouldnt it be kind of same as it will also work when we dont have ip up yet?
didnt see that hol up
toxic pewter
auto ravagers lolol nice
strong forum
"Last stand is now a dps cooldown"
this talent has existed since SL
bleak breach
"Last stand is now a dps cooldown"
That’s always been there
hardy snow
didnt see that hol up
strong forum
we never picked it cuz its a dps loss
chrome falcon
shadowlands unnerving focus was so goated
hardy snow
now its 10% for activ ip
warm plinth
Oh shit
frosty mango
Yes I didn't include my sarcasm tag lol
warm plinth
Yeah
strong forum
nvm BrV good again
hardy snow
we never picked it cuz its a dps loss
didnt we take it on s2 df for tierset?
strong forum
no
frosty holly
Juggernaut gone is only for prot ye?
toxic pewter
dang was hoping they would just make execute 35% baseline lol
strong forum
we played bolster
chrome falcon
dude i can't stop reading spellbreaker
warm plinth
It just resulted in a lot of people asking if they should take it
chrome falcon
that talent is fucking hilarious
bleak breach
They’ve only gotta increase the proc rate and it’s fine
hardy snow
we played bolster
ahh right, mea culpa, another last stand talent thats not needed until tierset buffs it 🤷♂️
bleak breach
It’s definitely not spell block, but would be okay then
warm plinth
Idk, not really. RNG survival is trash
chrome falcon
They’ve only gotta increase the proc rate and it’s fine
no? lmao
frosty holly
Issue it's still RNG so you can never do a pull knowing it will help you
hardy snow
I would prefer spellbreaker to be like 3x more often for 1/3 of dmg stopped
warm plinth
Defensive procs are and always will be garbage
daring narwhal
in what world do we actually play spellbreaker ? 4% seems far too low to be good right in any way shape or form right ?
chrome falcon
mythic kyveza with bad gear absolutely required you to have spell block
toxic pewter
losing spell block is a big loss
bleak breach
Yes it is
chrome falcon
blizzard cannot remove spell block without changing the way they design tankbusters
warm plinth
Depends where it's placed I suppose @daring narwhal might be a matter of why not take it kind of thing
But if it replaces Spell Block's position, idk, probably just take the buffed tough as nails instead
or bloodborne since it's 1 point now
bleak breach
blizzard cannot remove spell block without changing the way they design tankbust...
They can, we gained other talents and will have to adjust in different ways.
warm plinth
or wait, am I in the right spot on the tree, sec
hardy snow
in what world do we actually play spellbreaker ? 4% seems far too low to be good...
when we gotta be hit by tons of magic dots
coarse latch
wait spell block is being removed?
warm plinth
ok yeah, so we'd either take TAN or BB
hardy snow
4% chance to stop each tick
chrome falcon
you are never playing spellbreaker unless it's mandatory to get to another, actually real talent
warm plinth
Yeah, it's a meme talent
bright oyster
idk their justification for spell block removal and adding in 4% chance to ignore a spell's damage makes no sense? "how do you know what to play around, you don't so we're removing this button. also you cannot play around this new talent, take it or leave it."
pseudo chasm
Chat were cooked
bleak breach
Just make it part of mastery and ez
warm plinth
You can't play around it; you have to use a defensive anyway because 96% of the time you're gonna need it.
sacred flare
sad day spell block remove class is dead
warm plinth
And then it just feels bad when it procs because you "wasted" a defensive
frosty mango
the more I think it might be fun
buoyant sparrow
So we dooming yeah?
warm plinth
No, just talking
chrome falcon
the new tree is basically the same but execute cleaves now and we lost one of our most contextually important abilities with no compensation
hardy snow
i feel like these changes are done to please low M+ enjoyers
warm plinth
Nothing in these changes means we're dead
warm plinth
Now if they give us a big ass magic thing in raid that we don't have enough CDs for without it, that would suck
But that's not likely
bleak breach
Now if they give us a big ass magic thing in raid that we don't have enough CDs ...
👀
chrome falcon
look man i don't want to do halls of atonement without spell block
frosty mango
well we also gain an extra flat 4% dr on defensive stance from talent
nocturne spindle
tough as nails on giga pulls
warm plinth
We didn't even have spell block last time we had HoA did we? lol
sacred flare
No dooming just kidding most of the changes look good need to see the talent tree
chrome falcon
But that's not likely
it's not likely for them to do something they do every single raid? 
nocturne spindle
sounds kinda fun
toxic pewter
new tree is pretty slick i will say
chrome falcon
We didn't even have spell block last time we had HoA did we? lol
correct
toxic pewter
seems to flow well sorta
chrome falcon
and it was absolutely fucking horrible
bleak breach
tough as nails on giga pulls
🤤
warm plinth
it's not likely for them to do something they do every single raid? <:monkahmm:1...
It's not likely they will do a tank mechanic that requires us to have something we no longer have.
We have had spell block, thus they can give us a mechanic that it's required for
chrome falcon
your dps would miss 2 kicks on the perma spam shadow bolts and you'd be on the floor
shut summit
We didn't even have spell block last time we had HoA did we? lol
nope, we get to experience HoA in the same mmiserable state
bleak breach
Mattacate, stress less.
We get a cape
shut summit
xd
bright oyster
tough as nails on giga pulls
coping for the mastery stack mass aoe build
hardy snow
+12 for mount or whatever prize will be and im done with HoA 
sacred flare
Where is the new talent tree?
toxic pewter
omg just had my first auto ravager proc on ptr LOL actually pretty sweet
bleak breach
Where is the new talent tree?
Ptr
sacred flare
It in wowhead yet?
bleak breach
omg just had my first auto ravager proc on ptr LOL actually pretty sweet
That’s gonna be so randomly fun
warm plinth
I lied
warm plinth
It's on wowhead; I was clicking the wrong thing @sacred flare
toxic pewter
i wonder wat the icd of ravagers is
bleak breach
I wonder, can you get a 2nd free ravager while you use actual ravager? 👀
stiff gate
spell block removed but i have to do the 5 paladin pull in priory again next season D:
toxic pewter
I wonder, can you get a 2nd free ravager while you use actual ravager? 👀
na the auto ravagers replace the official ravager its a tradeoff node
bleak breach
Ahh yep
Atleast it’s 1 less button
If it’s around 3ppm that beats ravager anyway?
toxic pewter
kinda sucks though cant throw ravager
frosty mango
see how tuning shakes out but it could be fun sudden death gameplay
potent cypress
is there a link to the consolidated tree? I'm having a hard time comprehending everything off of individual notes.
buoyant sparrow
So we getting more self healing?
vocal cave
hardy snow
looks like block value is removed from it, how it looks on ptr?
vocal cave
dusky canopy
@frosty mango #fury message
near salmon
spell block removed but i have to do the 5 paladin pull in priory again next sea...
that and Big MOMMA right?
warm plinth
Er
hardy snow
8 p.p. of block value gone ehh :v
warm plinth
They removed both champion's bulwark AND battering ram
stiff gate
that and Big MOMMA right?
😭
hardy snow
They removed both champion's bulwark AND battering ram
yea, at least shield charge gives block always, without additional talent
vocal cave
They removed both champion's bulwark AND battering ram
its partially baked in now
toxic pewter
take paladins ability to block spells, if you compare it to the new spellbreaker talent how do they compare
vocal cave
spellbreaker is unpickable
hardy snow
take paladins ability to block spells, if you compare it to the new spellbreaker...
one is pretty good, another one is bad, guess which one 
chrome falcon
spellbreaker is one of the worst talents i have ever seen
warm plinth
Spellbreaker will never be taken
toxic pewter
but like how much magic dam does their spell blocking prevent
chrome falcon
there are literally no situations where you are ever picking it
frosty mango
<@228540157333078016> https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1488986956...
lol true
chrome falcon
it will be reworked before live
warm plinth
Especially since it's on the same node as Hunker Down, which is just better
toxic pewter
is spellbreaker equal to like 4% magic dr or does it not work like that
chrome falcon
i don't think hunker down is good either but you'll definitely play it in raid depending on the tankbuster
chrome falcon
is spellbreaker equal to like 4% magic dr or does it not work like that
over a long enough fight, yes
warm plinth
No, because it could mitigate something that does 20k damage, or something that does 5 million damage
toxic pewter
hmmm
warm plinth
Or both, or neither
dapper vapor
Just really weird that it's such a lottery
toxic pewter
true
chrome falcon
it's spell parry
hardy snow
is spellbreaker equal to like 4% magic dr or does it not work like that
on average yes, but only from mathematics perspective
chrome falcon
but it doesn't scale lol
strong forum
Oh, the ravager proc is instead of Ravager <@192743144276623360>
i know
toxic pewter
but like how much overall magic dam does spell blocking for paladins block is it more than 4%
chrome falcon
god are people in 6 months going to be in here asking if they should play spellbreaker
warm plinth
but like how much overall magic dam does spell blocking for paladins block is it...
Yes
hardy snow
i feel like right when 11.1 ptr started, ton of stupid changes that most people dont want, targeted to please some +9 enjoyers and then we will be getting buffs over and over to compensate
frosty mango
Na
arctic lagoon
why remove spell block seriously
warm plinth
I'm just curious why we're getting a rework; I don't really feel like we needed it at all
chrome falcon
because spell block is one of the strongest abilities in the game
spell block is wildly absurdly overpowered
warm plinth
Especially since this isn't going to do anything in terms of opening up choice
dapper vapor
Weren't people complaining the talent tree was stale since it's been locked since DF early
warm plinth
The tree is more strict now than it was before due to the weird ass pathing and one-off nodes
arctic lagoon
we are prone to dying from magic damage
thin silo
why remove spell block seriously
because it's easier than making the ability not require us to maintain a spreadsheet of each individual ability it works on
warm plinth
Every tank is prone to dying from magic damage
Except maybe BDK, since they are indiscriminate
arctic lagoon
laughs in BDK
patent osprey
My spellblock… what have they done to you… T_T
arctic lagoon
honestly i will just check the changes in the next month - since they will remove changes and do more changes etc
warm plinth
My spellblock… what have they done to you… T_T
What's Spell Block? 😏
thin silo
I thought the only reason to have Devastator as a talent anymore was to support the grandpas who still want to use Devastate for some reason, a la SMF in Fury
now that it's required for a whole branch they may as well just bake it in entirely
arctic lagoon
but dont worry guys we have ignore pain
toxic pewter
ngl they need to make devastator baseline, shield block 8sec baseline, and execute 35% baseline
hardy snow
if you worry about magic dmg without spellblock, dont forget we have fight through the flames, thats also getting a nerf 😎
warm plinth
I thought the only reason to have Devastator as a talent anymore was to support ...
I mean it was basically required already; your options are Devastator, Unnerving Focus, or FTtF for the 8th point in the first gate.
near salmon
Well then I hope they buff Ritual mud trinket next season. I'm gonna need that for sure.
chrome falcon
drop last stand entirely angle?
there's definitely a world yeah
mild river
if you worry about magic dmg without spellblock, dont forget we have fight throu...
@torn gulch yep. Magic damage is going to be deadly
warm plinth
if you worry about magic dmg without spellblock, dont forget we have fight throu...
It's a net positive. FTtF is nerfed but defensive stance is buffed and you have to take the talent that buffs dstance or you don't get Anger Management.
toxic pewter
spellbreakers just needs an insane ANIMATION if it looks COOL I will take it.
LIKE BOOM BREKS SPELL
warm plinth
lol
toxic pewter
fireworks go off
toxic pewter
yes
patent osprey
if you worry about magic dmg without spellblock, dont forget we have fight throu...
Fight through the flames is piss compared to spellblock huh
torn gulch
it is just me or the new prot tree seems pretty meh in the new format?
mellow bridge
warm plinth
I think he was making the point that the other magic damage reduction talent we have got nerfed
in addition to spell block being removed
chrome falcon
Fight through the flames is piss compared to spellblock huh
pika people keep telling me not to doom... can i have permission to doom pls...
toxic pewter
also taking a talent point to make defensive stance work better sucks lmao (still think they should delete stances)
hardy snow
exactly that, havent seen details of pathing you mentioned
bleak breach
pika people keep telling me not to doom... can i have permission to doom pls...
Dooming is fine, you’ve just repeated that same thing 900 times already
We will adjust and we will be okay.
If we suck they will change something gg ez
warm plinth
FTtF is here
frosty mango
if the tuning shakes out towards execute seeing heavy play it might be a thane season
chrome falcon
yeah because it's the biggest and most important change in the tree why would i not be talking about it
patent osprey
They are just removing skill based play and making everything more passive
chrome falcon
sorry should i write a paragraph about "execute hits 15% harder"
warm plinth
Increased def stance is right above Anger Management in bottom right
bleak breach
also taking a talent point to make defensive stance work better sucks lmao (stil...
Yeah, like just make it baseline or don’t force it lol.
chrome falcon
which we have because they removed the stacking damage which was way more interesting?
hardy snow
FTtF is here
and whats on the left of it, under demo shout?
chrome falcon
i hope we kept to keep juggernaut
chrome falcon
maintaining high stacks of aoe bonus damage execute would be sick
warm plinth
Under what
bleak breach
and whats on the left of it, under demo shout?
Brace for impact I think
chrome falcon
yeah i know it's removed but i hope they change their mind
bleak breach
The SS one
bleak breach
Yeah Strategist
hardy snow
Under what
just next on the left from fttf, that connects demo shout with same node as fttf
torn gulch
I don't feel this new talent tree at all
chrome falcon
oh fuck
tidal scarab
ngl this sucks
chrome falcon
people are gonna be back asking about codex again
toxic pewter
thin silo
They did a bunch of % armor shuffling around with other talents, so Armor Spec looks like a point tax to get to where we were before
bleak breach
Kinda feels like there’s too many useless ones in there atm.
I just did the tree and you kinda struggle to get to the good stuff without running out of points.
hardy snow
so we can just choose between 6% armor and 4% magic dr
bleak breach
6% armor is damage right
Yes
harsh trellis
whelp s3 armor sucks
hardy snow
now add potion to give my human dwarf's racial XD
fluid widget
maybe im dumb but isnt removing one of our defensive cds without replacing it just a massive nerf?
toxic pewter
now add potion to give my human dwarf's racial XD
yes
chrome falcon
maybe im dumb but isnt removing one of our defensive cds without replacing it ju...
it's definitely not a buff 😄
the new tree might be stronger overall though
hard to tell atm
hardy snow
that helmet is dumb af
chrome falcon
the helmet is cool
the chains are going to dangle down our back
it'll be cool in motion
pallid quiver
i wake up to see a new tree exists
small steeple
man the spell block removal is super lame, and the replacements seem one: super rare and unreliable so trash,
and 2: ok extra magic dr
chrome falcon
things with physics always look like that in the wardrobe
kind glen
Needs more chains
toxic pewter
ngl tier sets kinda look ddumb since basicaly sl
kind glen
Should look like a Predator
chrome falcon
i wake up to see a new tree exists
come join me in camp doomer
chilly brook
removing spell block is insane
hardy snow
we are hangman on these chains after the class changes
harsh trellis
that helmet is dumb af
Shaman got the best lookin tier set I think.
hardy snow
pvp colors are cool at least (black/red one)
harsh trellis
pallid quiver
come join me in camp doomer
brother i was dooming as soon as i saw talents were brought up at all
warm plinth
You basically have to choose between 6% armor and 4% magic DR. Because you have to take IP, Revenge, Demo Shout, Brace for Impact, Devastator, and Strategist. That leaves Armor Spec, FTtF, Best Served Cold, and Disrupting Shout in the top gate. You're obviously going to have to take one or the other because you can't get to Strategist otherwise.
pallid quiver
I didn't have any hope on them buffing us
kind glen
idk RNGing 4% Spell null seems busted
bleak breach
Maybe the raid is all physical and we will be super op lol
sharp merlin
Just did timewalking on my Dudu, got the exact Hero piece I already had, what a kick in the teeth
small steeple
my poor Juggernaut
chilly brook
idk RNGing 4% Spell null seems busted
4% is so minimal lmao
frosty mango
Maybe the raid is all physical and we will be super op lol
Yeah except priory exists gl with that
south zealot
who has talent calculator link
kind glen
4% is so minimal lmao
/s for sure it's fucking wild lol
south zealot
is it updated
hardy snow
Shaman got the best lookin tier set I think.
imo paladins is cool
bleak breach
Yeah except priory exists gl with that
Fair
south zealot
ty
hazy umbra
wait guys, are we REALLY losing spell block ???
chilly brook
yeah it's gone
kind glen
Seems to be that way, Sgt Fenix
hardy snow
wait guys, are we REALLY losing spell block ???
yes, for now, they may revert it later on the ptr
restive oak
its too skill intensive apparently
chilly brook
So hot take
hazy umbra
oh my god ....
chilly brook
I'm fine with it being removed
tidal scarab
gotta make that one button rotation better
warm plinth
Our blocks get weaker though from what I can tell?
Because Shield Spec goes from 24% to 16%
kind glen
I already miss my spell blockable portion of the reflect sheet 😦
chrome falcon
I'm fine with it being removed
anyone who thinks spell block is balanced is insane
hardy snow
Our blocks get weaker though from what I can tell?
yes, 8p.p. of block value on talent
hazy umbra
well if they give us a second stack of spell reflect or something maybe
pallid quiver
Our blocks get weaker though from what I can tell?
Enduring Defenses also was hit by 50%
small steeple
Looks like Col will have a Bleed archtype, and MT will have an execute archtype
warm plinth
and I don't think there's any makeup
chilly brook
anyone who thinks spell block is balanced is insane
has nothing to do with that
pallid quiver
Which has a lot of domino effects on SB uptime
warm plinth
Enduring is still 2 seconds
hazy umbra
but jsut removing it and giving us a stupid 4% chance not to take damage is soooo bad
warm plinth
It's just 2 points instead of 1
chilly brook
the ability itself was just completely inconsistent
small steeple
I mean, this looks like insane damage in M+
pallid quiver
Since it's literally the only 2 point node on the tree now
small steeple
without an ICD
toxic pewter
kinda wild instead of just deleting stances, they broke defensive stance and making us take like 3 talents just to get back to a state where its decent.. that is messed up
warm plinth
how did they break it
chrome falcon
the ability itself was just completely inconsistent
yeah but i feel like that's blizzard's fault and they could just code their abilities consistently, straight up removing the button feels like the lazy way out. would much rather that all magic damage became blockable and then nerf the ability by like 50% because it's insanely broken
nocturne spindle
tough as nails is behind thunderlords and last stand though
pallid quiver
I mean, this looks like insane damage in M+
It's going from completely negligible damage to double completely negligible. It needed a buff to keep up, since it was completely gatekept before
south zealot
I mean, this looks like insane damage in M+
try to select this talent
chrome falcon
make the ability feel better and more consistent, then nerf the numbers so it's not a 30 second long immunity
chrome falcon
behold the new meta talent tree
no aoe execute, ignored
toxic pewter
no 6% armor talent?
warm plinth
Man took spellbreaker
fast knot
yeah that's a no for me dog
patent osprey
anyone who thinks spell block is balanced is insane
True, but then theres AMS (which negates applications of debuffs which is busted and can completely make tank mechanics obslete with a short GCD), Fiery Brand (which you can have 2 stacks of but gives a flat 40% dr across the board), Bubble/Spellwarding which is a pure immunity + They have spell shield
nocturne spindle
idk im just memeing lmao
chrome falcon
Man took spellbreaker <:keks:936231610850897992>
that's hunker down
patent osprey
But yes, Spell block is public enemy #1
warm plinth
Oh is it
toxic pewter
holy shield alone is absurd imo
chilly brook
I see we no longer have any block uptime increase on shield charge
nocturne spindle
I see we no longer have any block uptime increase on shield charge
default
warm plinth
It' sbaked into the spell
nocturne spindle
no talent now
chrome falcon
True, but then theres AMS (which negates applications of debuffs which is busted...
everything they said about inconsistency/knowledge requirement about spell block is true about ams as well btw 🙂
just dumb man
every tier i get to sit there and watch/listen to my bdk ignore every mechanic with that stupid button
patent osprey
everything they said about inconsistency/knowledge requirement about spell block...
True, change spell block to Bubble immunity. therefore theres no inconsistencies
south zealot
spell block only being the 5th most op tank defensive is crazy
pallid quiver
Also, the inconsistency with blocking spells still exists in the game
chrome falcon
yeah
pallid quiver
because prot pal had the same ability to block spells as we did
chrome falcon
YEP
warm plinth
They still do don't they?
chrome falcon
and there are still unblockable physical hits
kind glen
Give us an immunity where we build an actual bunker
torn gulch
i feel like this new talent tree is pretty bad compared to what we have
😭
hardy snow
I mean, this looks like insane damage in M+
ive did some math on my recent floodgate 14 and it would be around 42m dmg on entire dungeon
kind glen
And if we charge it, it becomes a fortress
pallid quiver
They still do don't they?
i should have said has
hardy snow
did almost 3.7b that run, so 42m isnt much
pallid quiver
I said had because they no longer have the same abilitity to technically; they have more ability
warm plinth
And it's just "you block spells" and then "you block spells 8% more often"
restive oak
we just need to doom hard enough that they make us op going into next season again?
pallid quiver
And it's just "you block spells" and then "you block spells 8% more often"
If you wanted, you can also pick up the talent that gives you increased block chance after pressing WoG, and can get 100% block chance for a time
kind glen
Maybe bake FTTF into DS baseline and second charge of Spell Reflect? idk, not really a replacement for Spell Block
warm plinth
Anyway I'm getting overwhelmed with all this so I am gonna mute for a bit XD
torn gulch
we just need to doom hard enough that they make us op going into next season aga...
yes sounds like we have to beg like in the last ptr cycle
chrome falcon
amen
restive oak
change bad
torn gulch
because the changes are bad
pallid quiver
See, the neatest thing is AoE execute
restive oak
i did like execute cleave
chrome falcon
See, the neatest thing is AoE execute
i wish it was aoe execute
round pendant
wow those talent changes suck
chrome falcon
i think the changes are ok but going from juggernaut to "execute does 15% more damage" is just a straight up fun nerf
hardy snow
I wonder if whirling blade proc will give rage as well 🤔
restive oak
are both the shield charge mod talents getting rolled into it as base effect?
karmic plinth
i guess we rocking up to raid w something like this
solid cargo
Are we happy or are we panick
bleak breach
I wonder if whirling blade proc will give rage as well 🤔
Yes, it’s just ravager but easier
solid cargo
I need to be told what my opinion of this should be
restive oak
oh, just the shield block part, thats kinda lame
chilly brook
Idk seems pretty ok
solid cargo
they removed spell block
I never pressed it anyway 😎
chilly brook
The only change that is worth crying about imo is losing spell block
chrome falcon
i guess we rocking up to raid w something like this
i would play 6% armour over last stand ngl
slow viper
what belt we should use boys?
karmic plinth
unyielding stance is the lamest pathing point
kind glen
Hot take, Juggernaut is boring and I'm glad it's going away
round pendant
I didn't press it as much as I could but when I did it felt impactful and fun
restive oak
spell block is stronk 😦
bleak breach
I’m nearly thinking of dropping last stand for something else
true cliff
they removed spell block
Very sad about that
karmic plinth
i would play 6% armour over last stand ngl
u might be into something
chrome falcon
Hot take, Juggernaut is boring and I'm glad it's going away
more or less boring than "execute does 15% more damage"
last stand is a fucking terrible button
chilly brook
I’m nearly thinking of dropping last stand for something else
for what?
restive oak
keeping stacks early in raid fights is kinda ok fun
kind glen
more or less boring than "execute does 15% more damage"
Both can suck, not mutually exclusive
kind glen
keeping stacks early in raid fights is kinda ok fun
Focused Rage was fun, Juggernaut is meh
chrome falcon
yeah but one is objectively more boring than the other
karmic plinth
i feel like grabbing bolster when u can isnt a bad call either
chrome falcon
i don't think you can 2 points to spare to waste on last stand+bolster
kind glen
yeah but one is objectively more boring than the other
If we have to have a tierlist of fun, sure on is F and one is F- for engagement
hardy snow
Yes, it’s just ravager but easier
I think not only easier, but also way stronger, 5 procs per minute of 4s gives total 20s of ravager per minute, while original ravager is 8s per min (12s duration with 1.5m cd)
bleak breach
Honestly I don’t use last stand a lot as is. On the tree done above I’d take armour value instead of magic dr and block value over last stand
bleak breach
I think not only easier, but also way stronger, 5 procs per minute of 4s gives t...
Yep it’s op
karmic plinth
could drop heavy handed on pure st or somethin
kind glen
I think not only easier, but also way stronger, 5 procs per minute of 4s gives t...
I thought the uptime was nice as well.
karmic plinth
dead talent there
chilly brook
Honestly I don’t use last stand a lot as is. On the tree done above I’d take arm...
we're probably going to want bolster
pallid quiver
I think not only easier, but also way stronger, 5 procs per minute of 4s gives t...
It does remove the ability to send it on demand, though
bleak breach
we're probably going to want bolster
Why?
pallid quiver
Which is notable defensively
chrome falcon
why would we want bolster
pallid quiver
baked in
chilly brook
and so is the tier set
hardy snow
It _does_ remove the ability to send it on demand, though
good, I hate aiming it
south zealot
taking bolster without griefing is hard
chrome falcon
we get the SB for free
bleak breach
You get it baseline with SC
chilly brook
oh I misread it
south zealot
taking last stand feels like griefing
chilly brook
carry on nvm
south zealot
and only reason u want last stand is for thunderlord i feel
chrome falcon
good, I hate aiming it <:keks:936231610850897992>
been casting @ player for years
thin silo
if you've got the point to spare for Bolster you may as well make it Unnerving Focus instead and at least get some offensive value
bleak breach
I just kinda feel like last stand does nothing outside of when it’s tier related or has a secondary talent.
Like don’t get me wrong more health is good, but I dunno it’s kinda meh.
chrome falcon
last stand sucks
pallid quiver
It technically heals you for that amount, too 🙂
chrome falcon
i have no idea why they haven't changed the ability
hardy snow
I just kinda feel like last stand does nothing outside of when it’s tier related...
this tier I liked LS and considered useful only when popping all mines on mugzee 🤷♂️
chrome falcon
it's an off-gcd victory rush every 2 minutes
pallid quiver
But it's outclassed by a lot of things
bleak breach
this tier I liked LS and considered useful only when popping all mines on mugzee...
Like mythic Mug’zee?
karmic plinth
you also have stronger iv and ip during it
bleak breach
Or hero
hardy snow
Like mythic Mug’zee?
mythic
pallid quiver
you also have stronger iv and ip during it
I wouldn't say a stronger IP in realistic content
bleak breach
How you survive all mines?
chrome falcon
bop
pallid quiver
It only ups the cap for IP
chrome falcon
you bop and run through them all
pallid quiver
Not how much you get per application
chrome falcon
(you can survive them thanks to spell block)
south zealot
it would be fine if its free
karmic plinth
yea i suppose
south zealot
but u need to take it if u want potentially good talents
hardy snow
How you survive all mines?
bop from pala+spellblock (rip)+sw and LS to be sure
pallid quiver
(you can survive them thanks to spell block)
What's spell block? 🙂
karmic plinth
but u can srill do like
south zealot
in a tree where u dont have a ton of points
chrome falcon
What's spell block? 🙂
i'll shoot this whole place up man don't tempt me
bleak breach
bop from pala+spellblock (rip)+sw and LS to be sure
Ahh I see, we’re just running 2 paladins
echo egret
They... are... removing... spell block ????
karmic plinth
bank rage ls + ip ip ip or something if u want
south zealot
i'll shoot this whole place up man don't tempt me
in game right
harsh trellis
They... are... removing... spell block ????
Yeah its gone in 11.2
bleak breach
We got him to 2% last week. Should’ve killed but had one of those days
hardy snow
Ahh I see, we’re just running 2 paladins
we had paladin for 1st and 3rd set and I was doing 2nd set, pretty cool, had to focus on managing all CDs properly
echo egret
That's fucking horrible
harsh trellis
I dont understand popping all mines doesnt that mess up the weak aura assignments?
south zealot
real one remember doing gambit without spellblock
hardy snow
We got him to 2% last week. Should’ve killed but had one of those days
I had two weeks of "one of those days", total 239 pulls XD
chrome falcon
I dont understand popping all mines doesnt that mess up the weak aura assignment...
? weakaura assignments? for mines?
bleak breach
we had paladin for 1st and 3rd set and I was doing 2nd set, pretty cool, had to ...
We’re 3 healing and only doing 2 sets and 2 gaols
hardy snow
I dont understand popping all mines doesnt that mess up the weak aura assignment...
mines on mugzee, not sprocket
bleak breach
We’re only at 130 pulls
chrome falcon
you just press bop+shield block and run into them it's very chill
bleak breach
Will kill it any time soon
harsh trellis
mines on mugzee, not sprocket
Ohhh
bleak breach
Have you killed Gally Jawor? Or on Gally?
hardy snow
Will kill it any time soon
finger crossed
hardy snow
Have you killed Gally Jawor? Or on Gally?
on gally, like day and a half only yet
karmic plinth
at this point i feel like ls needs bolster baked in or something
chrome falcon
at this point i feel like ls needs bolster baked in or something
100%
bleak breach
Ahh should kill pretty quick
chrome falcon
or unnerving focus baked in
karmic plinth
or half the cd or something
chrome falcon
a healthstone with a 2 minute CD is not a real button in 2025 imo
bleak breach
How much do you raid?
We do 2 days x 2.5hours
hardy snow
Ahh should kill pretty quick
well, depends if clownfiesta from mugzee will repeat, rest of the tier was pretty fine prog, but two weeks on mugzee was bad, we raid 3x3
but today was pretty good
bleak breach
Ahh yep
hardy snow
im kind of afraid of last phase actually
chrome falcon
last phase gally?
bright oyster
inb4 we see some degenerate nonsense with the new colossus 4pc (shield slam crits = 100%dmg increase for bleeds), arterial bleed hero talent (rend/dw %dmg increase), bloodborne being a 1pt 25% dmg increase and FbV healing
I can see a world where its bogus self sustain through bleeding everything in mass aoe
chrome falcon
if you have 4 ranged dps you trust it's a joke
hardy snow
if you have 4 ranged dps you trust it's a joke
I know its considered as the easier part, but requires running, and running is not a strong point of my guildmates unfortunately
chrome falcon
p1 infinitely harder dw
next plover
These changes look really cool I’m excited to see what they cook with tuning 🙂
chrome falcon
my guild played awful on gally, it was our worst boss in the tier, but still fine
small steeple
Whats the thoughts on MT tier, and with nex execute talents? Could be the raid spec
pallid quiver
oh i just realized they nerfed focused vigor
chrome falcon
I know its considered as the easier part, but requires running, and running is n...
your ranged will wipe a few times while they learn dodging floor lightning and that's it
hardy snow
Whats the thoughts on MT tier, and with nex execute talents? Could be the raid s...
I think tier balance will impact chosen hero talents
echo egret
Yeah its gone in 11.2
How do we not give into "the sky is falling" ?
pallid quiver
It doesn't provide the armor anymore, since we have the armor talent above, and it also gives less strength
restive oak
i'm pretty sure it is
craggy jolt
can someone smarter than me tell me if prot is gonna be better or worse
restive oak
i just made a build with new calculator and thought it sucked
hardy snow
your ranged will wipe a few times while they learn dodging floor lightning and t...
oh boy, you havent suffered two weeks of mugzee intermission as I did 
chilly brook
Synopsis of prot warrior changes
The bad
- loss of spell block
- losing 8% block value from the Shield Specialization change
- last stand kinda feels like it's trolling
- fight through the flames caught a 33% nerf for some reason
- spell breaker and hunker down seem like abysmal substitutes for the loss of spell block. A 4% chance to just negate spell damage is not nearly enough to do anything meaningful especially when the spec itself revolves around being proactive about reducing damage as it has no self sustain.
Something something maybe good maybe bad?
- Juggernaut being removed means execute can actually be tuned well and can remove some of the rng out of the spec
The good
- disrupting shout is much easier to get to in the tree
- tough as nails caught a pretty big buff, might be something now TBD
- Shield Charge now only needs one point to be good
- Defensive stance is better through unyielding stance/fight through the flames being easier to take
- Execute cleave is cool
- Tree seems to have a bit more flexibility than before
Idk someone tell me if I'm off base
pallid quiver
can someone smarter than me tell me if prot is gonna be better or worse
Defensively, almost certainly worse
mighty valley
can someone smarter than me tell me if prot is gonna be better or worse
way way way too early to know
restive oak
bro just put it into chatgpt
torn gulch
yea that smells of AI
restive oak
are you an ai bot?
pallid quiver
he is
torn gulch
11.2
pallid quiver
He replaced his brain with a robo-brain last week
ember token
Rallying Cry still shit, Intervene still useless you forgot to add
pallid quiver
Please don't discriminate his life choices
pallid quiver
Rallying Cry still shit, Intervene still useless you forgot to add
"Commanding Shout"
ember token
i live in the old days, rally ;]
chrome falcon
ok yeah rally sucks
but nothing to be done about it
old rally was turbo infinite giga broken
pallid quiver
They could double its value in M+
chrome falcon
that would be turbo infinite giga broken
restive oak
remember sl where rally was huge
pallid quiver
It's still useful in raid
chilly brook
Rallying Cry still shit, Intervene still useless you forgot to add
wut?
bleak breach
oh boy, you havent suffered two weeks of mugzee intermission as I did <:critcake...
We’re doing okay there, tend to lose 1 or 2 each time though.
mighty valley
why would he add non-changes
chrome falcon
rally honestly might still be op in raid idk why we still have that spell
bleak breach
Sometimes 10 lol
chilly brook
Defensively, almost certainly worse
eh? only specifically for magic imo
pallid quiver
i live in the old days, rally ;]
in the old days we had rally and commanding_
restive oak
i hope it doesnt take 2 weeks to get through intermission
chrome falcon
eh? only specifically for magic imo
but... magic is the only thing that does damage to us
mighty valley
yeah it looks like we're overall sturdier but are losing an entire CD that was sometimes busted and sometimes confusingly did nothing