I can see if blizzard listen to feedback from people primarily using 1 button rotation (which will be most, since it's better than most players)
#protection
dense mango
the thing is that like
round pendant
if anything it should have strictly been purely an accessibility thing doing like 30% of a sim's output
dense mango
sure removing the reliance on weak auras is good inc concept
warm plinth
He's dooming ladies and gents, stand clear
dense mango
but I dont believe blizzard can do it
bleak breach
I honestly doubt that many players will use the button, will be interesting what % of players do. Especially in raiding/m+
dense mango
like wasnt the cooldown manager ass
round pendant
yeah everything they release sucks for the first year or two
bleak breach
I wonder if anyone doing mythic would use it? Probably shouldn’t be there if you need it for that I guess
round pendant
I wonder if anyone doing mythic would use it? Probably shouldn’t be there if you...
top 100 guilds? no
top 1000? probably some
warm plinth
They can't do it in the way that they will replace it with something else; that would never work. But if they replace it with something toned down and adjust mechanics to compensate, it can be done. It's going to be a rocky as fuck transition though
dense mango
They can't do it in the way that they will replace it with something else; that ...
i just know my main is gonna get fucked over (outlaw rogue)
round pendant
like 70% of a sim + not having to think about it so you can focus 100% on mechanics
is so absurdly better than most players
it's unreal
bleak breach
Wonder how parses will work?
Do you think it will show who is using the button and who isn’t,
70% is assuming they still press that button enough lol
round pendant
only in the sense they'll have a gcd delay
regarding people not pressing damage cds too
will this frees up thought for that too
but if it's a big enough issue and enough people complain I'm sure they'll get added to it
warm plinth
Literally had to go look up a video; I completely forgot about that room 😂
warm plinth
In BFA you definitely didn't wanna fight more than one of those though (well, maybe some groups would have wanted to)
So it's just a relic of the original version
solid sun
Disable it in mythic raid and after a certain key level
warm plinth
only in the sense they'll have a gcd delay
I would 100% be on board with WCL separating them from regular parses
round pendant
I wouldn't
imagine looking at the difference and seeing the bottom 20% of 1-button percentiles being equivalent to the top 30% of manual percentiles
I'd uninstall
that's exaggerated but you get my point lmao
warm plinth
Yeah idk, I can't possibly see it bothering me in the slightest
solid sun
If I suck and people pressing one button beat me I’m sorry they’re doing it the boring way
warm plinth
Yeah, my fun doesn't come from a 70% parse; it comes from playing the game. If other people have fun that way, more power to them but it doesn't affect me.
old flame
Is there a breakpoint for the belt?
round pendant
I agree that's why I don't really care about hekili users
warm plinth
Wdym by breakpoint?
round pendant
I just think putting it all in one button is.. not good
for the community, for the game
old flame
Mmk
warm plinth
ngl kind of assumed we'd have a recommendation article or something for each spec
solid sun
It's WoW vacation time
warm plinth
Yeah I checked the guide for the recommendation, but it didn't really answer his question. Guess the answer is just sim
chilly brook
belt is capped at 691 this week yea?
chilly brook
that wasn't the quuuueeeeessstioooon
nocturne spindle
too bad
chilly brook
also isn't the haste one better for m+? or is wowhead cappin
nocturne spindle
the screenshots add nothing
since it doesnt list the name
but it was spark burst single target electric current multi target
(and spark burst very bad in M+ so wowhead very wrong)
round pendant
4m in a top 10 is absurd
frosty mango
its really not, its a great arms dungeon lol
round pendant
but yeah, I'm not surprised it's bad in m+ especially for arms
does it even make you do sweeping strikes?
frosty mango
yeah it does
round pendant
and I figure it's just wasting warbreaker if it even uses it?
arms requires a bit of a conditional thing to optimise the dam
frosty mango
it does seem to waste warbreaker but the biggest struggle is it sent demolish on cd
regardless
so if I wasnt a standard one button enjoyer id have died 3 times
round pendant
can you compare your boss damage to your other runs?
frosty mango
because it demolished me in mehcanics
round pendant
curious about that
cinder marsh
ok so i dont know what to choose. i got three items of intrest, 1. the strapped rescue keg necklace, MYTH TRACK, while i have a champion flickering glowtorc on currently, HERO TRACK shoulders while i currently have champ track and finally the improvised seaforium pacemaker trink hero track.
but the thing is i currently have both hero track tome trink and eye trink
jagged gust
Well normally I'd say it's a sim angle
cinder marsh
i never really sim tanks
jagged gust
you should
jagged gust
damage = survivability
cinder marsh
i do enough damage
mighty valley
ok so i dont know what to choose. i got three items of intrest, 1. the strapped ...
myth neck would basically wrap that slot up
but also there’s a pretty strong correlation between damage done in sim and your defenses
obviously it doesn’t catch stuff like defensive trinket actives etc
but when it’s just stat comparing, it’s as close as we’re gonna get
cinder marsh
yea sim is saying neck
is wowhead just not updated yet or is the new lego belt not our BIS?
lunar jackal
is the APL uptaded for the belt?
warm plinth
how are you simming it
There's no APL update needed for the belt; it has no active effect.
Oh top gear, I see. Yeah idk, which disc are you simming in it?
lunar jackal
charged bolts
warm plinth
What kind of sim is that? ST?
lunar jackal
Yeah patchwerk 1 target 5 mins
warm plinth
yeah not sure idk. It sims better for me but I also only had a 658 belt
lunar jackal
yeah mine is 684 crit haste XD
that's why i was wondering
cause the difference is not even close
yeah im gonna go hide under a rock
no idea how the f i read that but i had the belt equipped lol the "not an upgrade" is the 684 belt not being an upgrade lol
warm plinth
You're doing great buddy
warm plinth
as not prot I assume lol
warm plinth
did you do the OB one already?
frosty mango
tbh i tweaked hekili
for arms
i just do what it says and use my brain when I think i need to call audible
warm plinth
Brain use is cringe -someone, probably
frosty mango
warrior has a phenomenal apl
lunar jackal
last boss I did 2.9m vs 1.79m as one buttom
i was wanting someone to do this lol
round pendant
yeah I never expected the one button thing to do well in keys for some classes
lunar jackal
any class tbh
lunar jackal
i tested my enhance shaman on it and they are using tempest as soon as you have it lul
round pendant
anything that doesn't have giga conditional pumps
frosty mango
the single target damage is actually where the difference is imo
its severe
at least for arms
frosty mango
for one button I sent cds as soon as they were up
for my actual run I used my brain
I think it has a better use case on tanks tbh
The amount of tanks I see with abysmal dps is way higher than actual dps classes
viral jackal
Anyone have a good survival build for mythic Sprocket?
Don't have chromebustable and looking for a build that'll help me deal with big party pack damage
frosty mango
Anyone have a good survival build for mythic Sprocket?
Don't have chromebustab...
Face the boss and press spell reflect
It’s blockable
viral jackal
the party pack is?!?!
frosty mango
Yes
viral jackal
omfg I feel like a moron lol
frosty mango
There’s a spreadsheet in the pins that shows all the blockable/reflectable/deflectable abilities
viral jackal
I feel like I've tried it in the past but perhaps I wasn't facing boss?
apparently spell block also works no kiddin
jagged gust
only need to do 3, 2 to get the belt and a third for the aoe enchant
cinder marsh
wdym 3 2
viral jackal
what aoe enchant?
cinder marsh
no he said only need to do 3 2
cerulean tusk
No, he used a comma. That is the , in between 3 and 2. So, you need only to do 3 runs, (comma) of 2 is to get the item, then the 3rd run to get the final configuration (or belt enchant/effect).
cinder marsh
ok so i just turned in the quest to get the belt so i need to do 1 more?
cerulean tusk
Dont even have to. But you can do more to unlock more optional effects. Most want the ST and AoE effect options.
cinder marsh
ok im looking at these abilities when right clicking the belt, are these the enchants?
cerulean tusk
I presume that is what ppl mean when they say enchant, yep
cinder marsh
ok then why do i only have 2 unlocked?
and how do i find whats the best ones
cause wowhead aint telling me nothing
nvm on the last part
lol
cerulean tusk
viral jackal
There’s a spreadsheet in the pins that shows all the blockable/reflectable/defle...
Pin says Party pack is blockable but not reflectable
wonder if it got patched?
cinder marsh
does it matter what diff i do the delves to get the enchants?
viral jackal
does it matter what diff i do the delves to get the enchants?
nope
sinful copper
does it matter what diff i do the delves to get the enchants?
I did tier 1 lol
lament sedge
lol what a weird vault, triple trinket. House of cards, Bomb suit, scrapfield 9001
cinder marsh
that is weird
round cliff
is there a deterministic way to get this set
ive done tons of delves and only have 1 piece
i want the tmog
warm plinth
Looks like it drops from map/bountiful coffers
You can also get alternate pieces from the PvP vendor in Dornagol for bloody tokens
round cliff
those are red arent they
warm plinth
idk wowhead says it's part of the same set and I can't tell what color it is
undone beacon
is there a deterministic way to get this set
Bloody token vendor in Dorn
hollow hill
Anyone have experience on Mythic One Arm? I seem to be dying somewhat randomly to The Big Hit, even with defensives up. Seems like sometimes it does my entire health bar, other times i don't even notice the hit
frosty mango
Anyone have experience on Mythic One Arm? I seem to be dying somewhat randomly t...
Do you have a log
Should be easily solvable with a Quick Look
hollow hill
Will post in a sec
I have a feeling it's on me, probably dropped shield block by accident while focusing on so much other stuff
First night of prog on this fight for my guild
I switched to using chromebustible bomb suit and that's helped the last few pulls when there was a lot of other damage going out
hollow hill
Sorry for late response been doing rapid fire pulls lol
Maybe pull 6? Looks like it hit me for my entire health bar that time
Pull 11 I also got 1 hit. That was probably me getting up after a brez and not having anything up but taunting right away and jsut getting smacked
shut summit
your deaths are just to block downtime, get rid of spell block and take bolster and just pay attention to making sure its up for big hit
hollow hill
That is what I figured. I'm getting better as the pulls go on
shut summit
should also swap to enduring defenses instead of massacre if you are dying that much, your damage wont matter for killing the boss as much as living will
hollow hill
I did swap to enduring defenses actually, i imported the talent build for one arm from wowhead and that has it
Thanks for the advice!
shut summit
only looked at pull 6 and 11 you mentioned, should be better now then
cinder marsh
do we get any good gear from hitting 2k?
round pendant
you get a catalyst charge
frosty mango
@cinder marsh eyyy prob wanna delete that
frosty mango
naw looked like a password
cinder marsh
oh lols
frosty mango
I switched to using chromebustible bomb suit and that's helped the last few pull...
for what its worth your shield wall timing also looks erratic
there doesnt seem to be any correlation to inbound damage events to when you cast it
hollow hill
Yea I was definitely hitting it by accident or when I thought I would be taking some damage preemptively
frosty mango
tell the higher ground folks chimi says hello, not sure if any of them are prog raiding still but I've known some of them for many years
back to the vanilla era
hollow hill
I think this guild was formed back in BFA so might be a different higher ground actually. I know there's two of them out on the armory
frosty mango
Naw it’s the right one I recognized some names lol
hollow hill
Interesting! I will ping the old GM and see if he remembers the name lol
frosty wave
Hello everyone I'm kinda new to prot and tanking
How do you pull and gather a pack all together without giving your back ?
I feel like I miss something
I'm doing 12 with 670 ilvl but the few 12 I've done I felt like I was carried by my mates
So idk do you have any advice on how to pull or enter a pack ?
I've been told not to pull with charge or leap because Autos can synchronise and one shot me
I've been using throw like a gdruid could use lunar to pull but idk
narrow ether
gotta strafe
frosty wave
Yeah but still mobs can reach your back no ?
narrow ether
lesser chance as compared to completely facing your back to them
mighty valley
just think about the angles between each pack and make sure you don't have to run through one to get to another
narrow ether
during gather it is very difficult to face every single mob so you gotta be quick, i'll normally charge into first pack + shield block + shield wall immediately, then move off with another charge or leap, etc
past cobalt
the one shield that doesn't have haste in vault >_> still worth it over 681 crafted shield?
narrow ether
shield wall should be enough to keep you healthy during gather
narrow ether
the *one* shield that doesn't have haste in vault >_> still worth it over 681 cr...
lol i just got the same shield this vault.. i took it anyway for ilvl, got more than enough haste atm
almost reaching -20% penalty lol
past cobalt
this is just my M+ alt that I'm gearing now. I guess I'd love 600 haste but I'm at 34% right now which even if I unequip my shield it stays at 34 lmao
frosty wave
shield wall should be enough to keep you healthy during gather
I'll try
I have a macro with block and clap and the slam/pain macro it helps me a lot to keep buffs up
I had anothr question on stats, is it worth to put on some versatility in ? I have around 36% haste 30% crit I did some gems in Vers/haste and have a haste/vers ring but idk if I should go full haste/crit mode
past cobalt
I guess I'd lose 1% but big shield is probably worth? then I can start trying to snipe a 2H for Fury ;-;
narrow ether
I'll try
I have a macro with block and clap and the slam/pain macro it helps me...
i just went with a mix of gems to get as much 2% movement speed from elusive blasphemite
narrow ether
theres no cap, just diminishing returns
frosty wave
And also why is mastery not good ? Defensively it feels insane
mighty valley
we're already insanely strong against phys damage with just regular shield block
frosty wave
I like being able to do big dam but I don't see any prot going haste mastery for example
frosty wave
we're already insanely strong against phys damage with just regular shield block
What's a difference between a block and a parry ? Why is parry the go to ?
narrow ether
crit gives us parry, and helps with 4piece tier bonus
frosty wave
Mastery gives mitig that's why I'm asking though
mighty valley
What's a difference between a block and a parry ? Why is parry the go to ?
parry reduces an auto attack's damage by 100%. block reduces it by less (~40% depending on block value) but our block chance is 100% so long as you're keeping shield block up
earnest cove
Mastery gives AP too
frosty wave
i just went with a mix of gems to get as much 2% movement speed from elusive bla...
You didn't take the Crit gem ?
earnest cove
And all stats are good
frosty wave
Mastery gives AP too
Coming from druid I read that as astral power
narrow ether
You didn't take the Crit gem ?
just personal peference, i like to walk faster to dodge some stuff
like strafing rookery last boss tank buster
past cobalt
does prot not use a second embellished piece? the bis list on wowhead only uses the wrists
frosty wave
just personal peference, i like to walk faster to dodge some stuff
Does it help gathering ? Sorry to come back to it lol
frosty wave
does prot not use a second embellished piece? the bis list on wowhead only uses ...
I'm using double duskthread on wrist and shield
frosty wave
yea it does
I'll try it I didn't think of it
past cobalt
I have duskthread on wrist, but just got a 684 shield from vault
narrow ether
during gather try to get your teammates to give you speed as well, helps alot
earnest cove
Boots/cloak the other
narrow ether
shaman wind rush, druid roar, pally freedom, monk thingy, etc
just remember that shield charge is a charge as well
i use it during gather + gives free shield block
so i can use rage for IP or revenge instead during gather
frosty wave
Boots/cloak the other
I used on shield, realised it's a mistake
narrow ether
also when you leap, dont leap into the middle of a pack.
leap to the side of it
prevents sync'd melee swings and still in range of thunder clap
frosty wave
I usually charge clap in a pack throw in another and/or taunt on a last then revenge/clap to get aggro but I still miss some mobs
narrow ether
its alot easier to gather as a druid haha i understand that cos my main is bear this season as well, warrior is my alt
just spam moonfire and everything comes to u
frosty wave
Yeah exactly
I'm learning tank with prot warrior
I really liked playing it during BFA because it felt really strong and I have the same smooth feeling on tww
But I never really learnt tanking
I'm committed to it
narrow ether
im playing mountain thane because i like it, it makes gathering alot easier as well
frosty wave
I don't like colossus I'm playing it on arms and demolish feels so clunky
narrow ether
honestly just take your time to gather, dont need to rush and gather quickly like vdh
make sure you have aggro on stuff you pull before going off to the next pack
most dps wants to ramp during gather and it sucks when they rip threat and it makes gathering 1000x harder
frosty wave
Yeah I felt that especially when I'm target capped and not the dps
narrow ether
hmm not really i just bind IP to mousewheelup
my left hand is busy enough
also theres the shield block shield slam macro
but thats about it
frosty wave
Ok so I have both
narrow ether
heroic throw on mouseover makes it easier as well
frosty wave
I have IP/slam macro
Clap/block
narrow ether
during gather
frosty wave
Yeah I have that as well
narrow ether
i wouldnt macro IP to slam
frosty wave
It's even advised here on the discord
narrow ether
use IP manually helps alot
lol really
i mean for bear i just macro ironfur to stuff
frosty wave
frosty wave
Not ip to slam
What's the difference ?
narrow ether
if you macro ip to slam, will be spamming IP when you are using slam
nocturne spindle
You still have a standalone shield slam button you always use when you want to shield slam
But you also put shield slam on the button you press when you want to use IP
frosty wave
Don't you so both with the macro ?
nocturne spindle
No
frosty wave
So I don't understand what the macro does
narrow ether
you macro shield slam with IP and shield block because you can snipe shield slam as IP and shield block are off GCD
nocturne spindle
It does very little tbh
narrow ether
helps with apm
nocturne spindle
It's a minor optimization but it's free
frosty wave
Better to have 2 buttons then
narrow ether
so basically TLDR,
your SHIELD SLAM button should not be a macro
nocturne spindle
All it does is hit shield slam a little bit faster if it resets when your gonna hit IP
narrow ether
but your IP and SHIELD BLOCK buttons can have shield slam in them
shield slam button no macro, just stand alone
frosty wave
Ok understand
narrow ether
then manually top up IP
i bind it to mousewheelup lol because left hand is busy enough
frosty wave
Yeah I'll try that
narrow ether
some people like to bind IP and shield block to mousewheelup and down
so the mousewheel is incharge of active mitigation
narrow ether
zoom not really impt, mine is CTRL + mousewheelup and down
dont really use it in combat
frosty wave
Ok
I'm at work today but will correct my bars tonight
Is the gallywix shield better than a crafter one ?
narrow ether
tbh when i first started out with prot warrior it wasnt a very "enjoyable" spec because of APM overload on left hand, but after i did my bindings better its one of the most fun tanks to me
narrow ether
Is the gallywix shield better than a crafter one ?
if myth yes
frosty wave
Ok
narrow ether
if not ilvl is more impt
frosty wave
Ok
frosty wave
Makes sens
frosty wave
tbh when i first started out with prot warrior it wasnt a very "enjoyable" spec ...
Yeah the nostalgia of BFA made me think that as well, I feel like o have more buttons now though
frosty wave
Exactly my feeling
Is there a way to SIM tankiness ?
I feel way better now that I configured my BW to make tank buster more visible
But is there a vocal announcer for that ?
frosty wave
Fair point
rough egret
Haste proc
narrow jay
same for raid as well?
nocturne spindle
Sim the stat procs
Charge bolts single target
Mastery on belt sims way higher for me
bleak breach
Yo guys, the like ‘talents’ for the belt. I.e movement speed, strength, stam and mastery bonus.
Are they only delve specific or does that work everywhere?
blazing ridge
Always take shield from the vault If I only got a crafted one?
Just took its, its a Nobrainer I guess..
couldve been a worse Shield I guess
bleak breach
Yeah definitely a good shield
blazing ridge
Time to push some 12 this week so I can finally get some good trinkets in
hearty kettle
Mythic trinket or shoulders? its my alt
bleak breach
Trink is bis
But I mean you could buy with curios if you complete all 12s vs can’t buy tier
rough egret
delves now gives 9 more glided crests /week
hearty kettle
Trink is bis
That is what im thinking about. We have 6 puzzles right? So i could buy pacemaker/tome/chromebust - im only playing m+ with this alt. Is tome also usefull in m+?
So regarding this it would be a valid option to take the shoulders. Or are there any other items which makes more sense then those two trinkets?
bleak breach
From a pure M+ pool I’d say nothing would really beat trinkets.
Maybe weapon or shield, but worst case can craft those.
I use pacemaker and Tome
Only thing really better is eye of Kezan
jagged pier
after 6 mins and non stop combat
jagged pier
yes
bleak breach
Yeah nice
We got Mug’zee to 2% last week.
Should’ve killed but had one of those days
jagged pier
happenss will die this week if u all get belt
bleak breach
Yeah, should go down pretty easy.
Then Gally hopefully next week. Doubt we get both in same week.
We only raid 2 days 2.5hours so don’t spend a lot of time in there
hearty kettle
From a pure M+ pool I’d say nothing would really beat trinkets.
Maybe weapon or ...
Are the raid weapons & shields that much bigger? I crafted those
sharp merlin
It to be a shield riiight?
jagged pier
yes
bleak breach
Are the raid weapons & shields that much bigger? I crafted those
Only 3ilvl so wouldn’t waste your coins.
Get your trinks from m+ and pray for nice vaults
rough egret
signed bad right? I have delve champion track ones only so far..
so it might be boots..
severe wadi
what belt power do we use?
jagged pier
remote dawn
ionic fern
@severe wadi
This is with the default simc profile. Stat buff effects depend fully on your current stats.
Charged Bolts for ST and Spark Burst for AoE should be more or less safe bets for majority of people. The mastery buff might pull ahead in damage for aoe.
rough egret
can we change powers inside m+?
delicate brook
what's the info on the belt, is there any point in getting the defensive ones for m+ or do we just send crit chain? 😄
ionic fern
what's the info on the belt, is there any point in getting the defensive ones fo...
Literally 2 messages above.
severe wadi
this will be s stupid question but i want to craft a neck - how do i sim for it to tell me what stats i should use on missive?
without doing like 8 different sims?
delicate brook
Literally 2 messages above.
yes numbers are very useful but as I was asking maybe there's a defensive option I could equip that will let me get slapped less next time I walk into an 18/19 that can't be expressed with a sim
hardy snow
thats 701 sim?
severe wadi
with these stats and this neck current - what missive would you put on a crafted neck
should i go haste verse not to lose the 6 percent verse and have it go to 2 percent or crit haste?
rough egret
crit haste go brr
or, you can do top gear sim, and add manually all necks into one sim
there is a window for it
ionic fern
thats 701 sim?
700
severe wadi
ty
buoyant sparrow
Question all: For Rick is there a special build for him? I am getting trucked by the magic damage. Should I swap to MT on that fight?
fair sonnet
his main tank mechanic is missing from the spreadsheet too
wait no, it's sonic blast
So you are having trouble when soaking the pillars?
vocal cave
Is the Belt an upgrade from the get go or only at max ilvl?
warm plinth
It's like a 1% upgrade over a 684 crit/haste for me, at 691
frosty mango
I’m like full bis and belt was still an upgrade for me. .8%
odd comet
Same for me it was 1.2% over my 681 crit haste
Why do prot warriors run dracthyr? I’ve seen it but don’t understand
urban portal
they like it
jagged pier
Because its goated for tmog
urban sequoia
ive heard someone say the double jump on dracthyr translates to like 130% movespeed when you spam it?
not sure if thats true.
sweet summit
can you minmax it like dh can?
jade pulsar
gally dunking
jagged pier
Nah u just use gusts for that
urban sequoia
also yeah just general double jumping is a vibe u3u
warm plinth
... is the valkyr role mods?
Yes
frosty mango
Really wish dwarf mog wasn’t so shit
So I could have my good racial and good mog
Orc bis mog tho
urban sequoia
dark iron mog flexxing. (Dark iron racial is at least p good)
frosty mango
At least until they give us mok Nathal
Dark iron has awful mog wydm
Character model is small and wide everything clips
urban sequoia
also i do really like my orc mog.
ruby musk
Why do prot warriors run dracthyr? I’ve seen it but don’t understand
I run it because there are knockbacks i can just ignore, it also gives an extra CC or ability to reposition mobs. Also, I just like how they look.
ruby musk
ive heard someone say the double jump on dracthyr translates to like 130% movesp...
You do move faster but not evoker faster. Just faster than normal running. There was a YT video showing a normal speed run, non-evoker jumping, and evoker jumping.
urban sequoia
TBH the thing I hate most about warrior is I want to make so many warriors just for the aesthetic
I want a Nelf warrior, I want an orc warrior, I want a dracthyr warrior, I want a dwarf warrior q-q
blazing ridge
Charged bolts is like 3rd on my dmg list am I bad and not using enough spells or what lmao
cerulean tusk
Charged bolts is 3rd? sounds low key op to myself
jagged pier
its hard to tell without lorgs
blazing ridge
f
Somehow it didnt log the run correctly
gonna do another one
I mean I know I am using IP too often where I could maybe get a few Revenges more in
but like
its on 3rd? wtf
cerulean tusk
It seems to be overwriting the Hero Talent visual in details
cerulean tusk
We should spread the word that it is that powerful
blazing ridge
lmao
jagged pier
just under half of hero talent aint half bad honestly
near salmon
the new belt is pretty good...
near salmon
i feel like my dps got bumped up more than what sim told me i would gain
near salmon
but of course that's just my feeling. I have no proof to back it up
either way, i'm liking this new belt
near salmon
sims are sims <:shruge:1111204342830223421>
😂
round pendant
@frosty mango apparently tettles was hitting top dps in a +15 on ptr with one button
idk what spec he was playing tho
jagged pier
he was playing boomkin
round pendant
also guess it depends on if the other people were using it too to test
jagged pier
and he could be playing with bad ppl
round pendant
and what specs they were
round pendant
oh I found the video
frosty mango
He was playin boomy and I saw that and looked at the log I dunno if it’s really a viable test
jagged pier
its not
hes just mad that its good enough his money from guide vids is out the window
frosty mango
I mean yes it did perform well but also his two partner dps are doing like gray parse level key relative dps so yeah starfall is gonna starfall
round pendant
I already crashed out over this tho
torn gulch
i find it very hard to believe that the one button rotation will be better than actually playing the class well
jagged pier
i mean again guys theres already ppl playing at the top level with a mcaro
it changes nothing
literally nothing
round pendant
It does tho, as this is officially endorsed by blizzard and affects their decision making for future content and design
Now it's doomerism but that's the way I see it going
imo it should be nerfed and only for accessibility
frosty mango
You’ll generally find that I am super unsupporting of content creators who use clickbait thumbnails and bombastic titles to generate clicks and offer very little data or real information in their videos
jagged pier
its alwasy been endorsed becuase they dont ban ppl for the macro the start with because accessibility
frosty mango
I think it’s abuse of their platform and actively harms the community
jagged pier
imo it should be nerfed and only for accessibility
it is nerfed its 10% less at best for all calsses
expect like demo which if and only if u use your cds perfectly is it then a 8% loss
round pendant
You could argue that not banning it is endorsing it, but that's still different to actually incorporating it into the design of the game
frosty mango
If you watch the video and look at the log for the run it’s (imo) apparent it only did as well as it did because things lived long enough for starfall to do the legwork
But it’s also apparent that it does perform relatively well for boomy
round pendant
it's greyparsing in a +17
that's still insanely better than 99% of players
It's whatever
I hope I'm wrong about the direction the game will take after this
this combined with the atrocious story writing
torn gulch
people are afraid that the game will go the direction of ff14 with spec and role omogenisation
round pendant
It really is funny how ff14 is notorious for having a tiny skill gap and no skill expression
and yet wow gets THIS first lmao
imo this should be strictly awful and for accessibility (so people can at least play the game if they have disabilities) but it should be out performed by 30 minutes of learning your class
jagged pier
so ppl with accessibility issues cant push content or do mythci raid?
thats seems a bit ableist of u
round pendant
Is that a joke?
jagged pier
no are u scared of getting out performed by someone like i dont give a shit about the one button macro i dont think anyone else should ither
if your trash i understand why your so angry
round pendant
I shouldn't have to say it, but I have nothing against people with disabilities lol
round pendant
lol
jagged pier
if u cant outperform the button use it or unsub 
frosty mango
I was kinda chuffed up at first but honestly idc now. They nerfed it so the theoretical max performance is below max performance for a person playing without it
If I’m getting outperformed that’s just an indicator I need to up my play
round pendant
I already explained my reasoning and none of it has to do with my performance relative to someone using it
solid sun
If they outperform me I’ll challenge them to a 1v1 on Final Destination and show them what for!
frosty mango
My only remaining complaint is that it’s clearly gonna be a lot better for some specs than others which might create some interesting scenarios
jagged pier
but im saying u should be mad now tho already since u started playing because its in the game
but u dont seem to care until now
round pendant
And you're comparing performance vs a sim vs max performance of a player
jagged pier
im literally comparing to just playing not talking about sims at all
round pendant
but im saying u should be mad now tho already since u started playing because it...
I mean I don't like Hekili or GSE either but actually adding it to the game and making it a part of the decision process is bad imo
jagged pier
they are adding it because they already part of the game through the addons
solid sun
How is adding Hekili bad for the game lol
jagged pier
they are moving addons to be ingame
its literally the reason its coming because ppl use them so much
and are at the top level already
frosty mango
And you're comparing performance vs a sim vs max performance of a player
Which is a valid comparison to draw because they are the same baseline. The only lever you’re pulling is skill
round pendant
It's not comparable at all
If you're trying to compare where people will be with it compared to where they are NOW
frosty mango
I dunno have you seen my dps parses lul
round pendant
saying "oh it's not big deal cause it's 10% nerfed" isn't a good point when it's 10% off of a sim lol
frosty mango
saying "oh it's not big deal cause it's 10% nerfed" isn't a good point when it's...
Sure it is, because it’s a fact that a skilled player will outperform the one button all other things being equal
round pendant
how skilled
frosty mango
Depends on the class
round pendant
So it's fine if you can outperform it by being a top 2% player?
cerulean tusk
Sure why not
frosty mango
You’re changing the argument
frosty mango
The tuning of the thing is separate from the existence of the thing
jagged pier
so it is literally far behind
cerulean tusk
Jakey, dont move the goalpost. We talking training dummies scenarios here
jagged pier
still that same thing
frosty mango
So if a class is tuned so that it performs very close to theoretical max yeah that’s probably an issue - but also easily solved
But if it’s like arms warrior
round pendant
yeah tbf it's bad enough for tanks that idc about it
frosty mango
It’s gonna be poopy land
round pendant
but it's way too good for some dps specs
cerulean tusk
Way too good, as in?
round pendant
MM hunter is 10% off optimal in aoe as far as I've heard
torn gulch
is way too good for example for mm and bm hunter
cerulean tusk
Why? It doesnt use CDs smartly or anything
frosty mango
If it’s tuned in a way that it performs for a class very close to optimal then high end players will feel obligated to use it in prog because it reduces cognitive load
round pendant
Just because of the combination of it freeing up cognitive load
plus doing decent/good damage
frosty mango
But again that is a tuning issue that is easily balanced
torn gulch
you realistically can have 90% of mm and bm hunters change to it and perform better than before kekw
round pendant
yeah but I'm only commenting on the current state
frosty mango
So your issue isn’t with the existence but with the tuning/balance?
round pendant
if they tune it to be bottom 50% of players performance NOW I won't care anymore
It just shouldn't be competitive with someone actually TRYING
frosty mango
so by your logic it’s really no different than class balancing
round pendant
because that completely destroys the incentive to learn and play well and actually play the game
cerulean tusk
If you aint 95+% parsing, are you even trying tho? And those ppl are doing 99% of potential
round pendant
If you aint 95+% parsing, are you even trying tho? And those ppl are doing 99% o...
I think those numbers are backwards
cerulean tusk
Only difference will be that 95% becomes a 90% parse. As the avg increases from 0 to 90.
frosty mango
i mean i am, but cant ebcause im doing all the tank mechanics
No one will notice if you accidentally roll the ball immediately into stix
frosty mango
I been coasting on the weakaura tts sound lockup thing to blame my greeding all expansion
torn gulch
I'm looking at tettles now and doing what he's doing in a 17 with one button should not be a thing
actually yikes
frosty mango
I'm looking at tettles now and doing what he's doing in a 17 with one button sho...
Are you also looking at the 682 dk doing 12m dps on aoe pulls which is effectively propping up starfall damage
Boomy isn’t exactly a big brain spec
solid sun
I don’t really like that entire experiment
Tettles isn’t exactly the target member of the community for the tool
round pendant
oh they mistimed it actually
torn gulch
not timing but doing enough dps to time it
cerulean tusk
To be fair, the DPS check in a 17 aint exactly high
frosty mango
Well like it or not blizzard is going to continue down this road because
A - addons are bad for the game
B - blizz wants to capture the console market
round pendant
The only addons that are bad for the game are raid mechanic solvers
that's my hot take
frosty mango
So addons are bad for both continuing game health and console play therefore this train is already on the tracks and rolling
Blizz isn’t going to reverse course
round pendant
like those actively influence the design of boss fights in a negative way
The problem is solveable by pretending they don't exist btw
if you design content that doesn't need them then people won't use them
It's not solved by gutting addons
cerulean tusk
Nah, I would use em if they make it even easier
frosty mango
That’s very much not true lol
solid sun
That’s not true
jagged pier
right have u read what they are doing next tier?
round pendant
wdym, plenty of boss mechanics this tier had no solvers required other than a couple that were designed poorly and people hated those fights
frosty mango
You don’t need addons to do ff14 bosses at all AND it’s not “easy” to install them and they are still prolific
People will always find a way
round pendant
Well, you'll never stop people from cheating
But you don't design your game around it
round pendant
Blizz did yeah because they chose to acknowledge their existence in their design of content
which is the mistake
the mistake isn't allowing it to exist (since you can't prevent it, it's an uphill battle anyway)
frosty mango
They put themselves into a corner and with revenue falling they are going to try to milk this cow for all they can
That means console ports and addons are bad for consoles
By the end of next expansion imo we won’t have much addon functionality at all
torn gulch
By the end of next expansion imo we won’t have much addon functionality at all
i mean they clearly said they will not touch ui addons and all the miscellaneous addons
frosty mango
You’re thinking successful means popular but what it really means is short term profitable
frosty mango
i mean they clearly said they will not touch ui addons and all the miscellaneous...
They will
round pendant
The simplest answer isn't some grand plan to modernise wow and get it on the console
just that they're clueless
frosty mango
I have a much more capitalistic world view lol. Like any business they will make decisions based on short term profit growth
round pendant
I was initially all for the reduction of addons impacts but the way it's going just feels like a mistake to me
frosty mango
They absolutely know what they are doing
round pendant
do they?
cerulean tusk
Guaranteed
solid sun
Yes
round pendant
Blizz with their games is in an infinite loop of throwing away any goodwill and then farming it back a little every other season/expansion
cerulean tusk
This be how corps do it
round pendant
And people still keep putting trust in their competency lol
solid sun
I think you’re on Reddit too often
frosty mango
100%. Do you think the (relatively) recent bug prevalence and maintenance issues are not well understood?
They commit their good dev resources to expansion design and then immediately after they shed as much labor as possible and interns/offshore keep the lights on
This is literally how all software houses work and I doubt blizz is any different
solid sun
Loads of people have loads of fun in wow everyday. They seem to be doing a fine job
round pendant
lol
cerulean tusk
That moment when you understand that we are a 1% of a 1% in here
And 99% just log on and waddle about, having fun, not playing for long enough to feel the flaws
round pendant
I get that, but it doesn't mean I can't be sad or disappointed about the direction the game goes sometimes
frosty mango
Blizzard 100% knows how to extract profit from a game and manage community engagement
round pendant
just going "yeah that's capitalism" doesn't make me feel better
frosty mango
I’d argue they are probably one of the best in the industry at doing it
round pendant
idk roid
cerulean tusk
Sadly the world isnt about what you feel
round pendant
Their early games blew up and were extremely successful BECAUSE they were good at making games
and then they simply became too big to catastrophically fail
round pendant
I agree
cerulean tusk
Some would argue it is evil
round pendant
diablo 4 isn't good, diablo 3 initially was ass, they killed starcraft and hearthstone and overwatch (is overwatch recovering?)
I very rarely hear positive opinions about blizz anymore
Yet they're still raking it in
cerulean tusk
Cause 99% dont talk about it, of them they will only be loud if things really are in the shitter
round pendant
If it were an objectively bad game there would be better games
MMOs are just too expensive ig
cerulean tusk
we, the 1% of the 1%, are always loud
round pendant
I mean blizz pivoted fuckin hard after bfa and shadowlands right?
cerulean tusk
99% are quiet = things are fine
round pendant
now they're like WE'RE LISTENING GUYS
frosty mango
And every major usurper had failed, because they misunderstood why wow is successful. They made a game for the vocal minority (hi wildstar) and blizz makes the game for the people who pay
solid sun
Not everyone would agree with you that d4 is bad
round pendant
but I have no faith
cerulean tusk
I play Battlegrounds time to time 
round pendant
I'm just saying blizzard are notorious for squandering things
Everyone's seen and felt it
frosty mango
Hearthstone is a great example of blizzards profit extracting machine
round pendant
It's just they're too huge to really get impacted by even losing 80% of their playerbase
not that I think anything as severe as that has happened
round pendant
There's a reason they stopped disclosing sub counts
frosty mango
Reused ip ✅
Extremely cheap to build and maintain ✅
Huge revenue relevant to expenditure ✅
cerulean tusk
Cause if you disclose subs, you cant control a negative narrative
frosty mango
Hearthstone is a master class in how to extract profit from essentially nothing lol
frosty mango
There's a reason they stopped disclosing sub counts
Because they don’t care about them, they care about money lol
round pendant
yeah I get that
just saying that there's a point where companies become large enough to tank their most dedicated users' dissatisfaction
urban portal
im suprised theyll do that
since wow isnt exactly getting new players
this game is kinda hostile for them
round pendant
as in the people who care about the design of the game in this case
cerulean tusk
We keep saying WoW doesnt get any new players, but guild seems to find new 15-16 year olds who want to get into raiding.
Who knows.
frosty mango
Yall seem to think blizzard cares at all about what anyone thinks
They don’t
If the game is generating continuing profit they care exactly zero about what anyone says
round pendant
Yall seem to think blizzard cares at all about what anyone thinks
Well we may as well all give up voicing our opinions then
cerulean tusk
Bingo
round pendant
in this public forum
I mean I'm just yapping cause I'm bored but it's kinda wack to just hear "they don't care lol"
frosty mango
No it’s healthy to voice our opinions as long as we know blizzard doesn’t care about them 
round pendant
it may be true but that doesn't inspire hope in my future enjoyment of the game
frosty mango
Pissing into the wind, is the term, I believe
round pendant
which sucks because yeah there really is no game that scratches the m+ itch
cerulean tusk
Pissing into a hurricane, is more like it
frosty mango
I mean I'm just yapping cause I'm bored but it's kinda wack to just hear "they d...
Maybe now is not the best time to inform you about the state of politics in America 
cerulean tusk
To be fair, I know as a fact there are devs on the WoW team that honestly care and want to make the best game possible. So no need to doom all the way to the retirement home.
Just remember that blizz, the company, is there to earn money. A good game earns money.
If ya got complaints, take em to the forums. Make a fuzz. Gives the 'good guy' dev more ammunition.
round pendant
This is really an impossible argument to have with a broader forum like reddit or the forums though
Because a majority of the playerbase is going to get big damage buffs by these features
they'll defend it til their dying breaths
cerulean tusk
Cause that is what they want
lime urchin
mighty valley
doesn't really sound like the game was currently encouraging them to improve, huh
round pendant
doesn't really sound like the game was currently encouraging them to improve, hu...
What exactly encourages people to improve?
There's rewards at higher rios than ever
The one thing I think they could do is add 10 man mythic
urban sequoia
also yeah, evokers make decent prot warriors IMO. The double jump, the extra knockback, and 1.5% mastery (1% attack power)
round pendant
Adding the one button rotation might let some people do harder content because they didn't want to improve but now they can do it because they were effectively buffed
but at the cost of removing depth from the game for everybody else
mighty valley
i think generally people are either naturally pretty driven or else need a social environment that makes them want to do better to accomplish things with their friends
but most people on class discords want the entire game puggable, so
solid sun
On the pve side, I can’t think of any reward that requires me to be good at the game
frosty mango
they'll defend it til their dying breaths
And thus find it enjoyable and thus continue to sub and thus generate profit.
Full circle
We are all cogs in the big game dev money machine
round pendant
yeah I'm just saying that I'd go rant on the forums if I wanted to get bullied and called a gatekeeper
urban sequoia
What exactly encourages people to improve?
i think people not having to focus so much on their rotation should free up some mental bandwidth for them to not die horribly to mechanics, and when they start getting good enough, maybe they'll want to add that 20% damage from manually using the rotation assist rather than just pressing the one button?
round pendant
instead I'll yap here
solid sun
I want to join Harrow’s raid group
solid sun
Imagine the zingers when a professional writer sees you mess up a pull
round pendant
i think people not having to focus so much on their rotation should free up some...
The thing is with it being 70-90% of a sim, it takes a fair bit of knowledge and practice to be able to do that manually
so now instead of the nice progression you make as a player
growth
from parsing grey to becoming a pink parser
you have to climb that mountain the moment you decide to go mountain
and lose all the damage you had before
urban sequoia
One Button is far under 70% of a sim for everything except like destro lock innit?
round pendant
That's going to absolutely brick peoples motivation to improve imo
round pendant
One Button is far under 70% of a sim for everything except like destro lock inni...
most are ST tests and I imagine it's worse in aoe for even more, but only a few are worse than a 30% loss
compared to sim, remember
remove 5-10% to make it comparable to current players playing manually
solid sun
Bro is it sleepy time in your part of the world yet
round pendant
no it's 5pm
solid sun
How many times are we gonna rehash the same topic
mighty valley
for me to care about these numbers, i need to see an actual low-skill player do similar content twice, once with this feature on and once without it
round pendant
How many times are we gonna rehash the same topic
as long as people engage in the conversation ig?
mighty valley
there are still many things they will be bad at that the game will not automate
urban sequoia
IDK, 70% to 100% is a 42% increase in DPS
Using the rotation assist should generally beat the one button unless the person is taking 20% longer to click the button?
round pendant
You said players will use it to get comfy then switch to manual
urban portal
Using the rotation assist should generally beat the one button unless the person...
ya this is correct
round pendant
I'm just saying that suddenly they have a huge mountain to climb rather than the smooth progression of learning that's in the game now
Like if you just start a class, you expect to be bad and perform bad
now your minimum expectation is 70%
urban sequoia
So it seems to me like a reasonable stream of progression from people using the single button, then using the rotation assist as a DDR thing, because... More DPS. And then from there if they want more DPS, they might start optimizing it?
solid sun
I have no expectation for anyone to use the one button tool and would not ask, recommend, or require anyone to use it.
Can we please return to being a good discord channel again
round pendant
I'm saying the players expectation of their performance
small steeple
solid sun
Oooo new dungeon news!
urban sequoia
fuuuuuck
solid sun
Thanks, Bad!
urban sequoia
i hate tazavesh...
round pendant
Can we please return to being a good discord channel again
You don't have to engage in the topic if you don't like it instead of adding some drama 🙂
solid sun
Love Tazavesh
round pendant
dawnbreaker ugh
urban sequoia
OKAY I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE AN ETHEREAL PATCH
warm plinth
They arent even ethereal though
pallid quiver
whoever voted dawnbreaker
know that i, personally, hate you
warm plinth
Brokers are not ethereal
small steeple
actually shows Collossus tier set
small steeple
Brokers are not ethereal
but are they..... dun dun dun cacthoom
round pendant
whoever voted dawnbreaker
know that i, personally, hate you
It's such a fucking bad dungeon so I don't get it
urban sequoia
whoever voted dawnbreaker
know that i, personally, hate you
real. please dont break me.
warm plinth
Halls of atonement is goated
round pendant
dawnbreaker doesn't even have good trinkets
pallid quiver
From a casual stand point, Dawnbreaker was kinda neat
round pendant
why the fuck is it in???
warm plinth
One of the best m+ dungeons of all time
pallid quiver
but like, i can't be assed to run that dungo, man
pallid quiver
And I could pass on Tazavesh, personally, though I guess it's been a sec since it's been in rotation?
pallid quiver
no, key bad, terrible, suffer
I never really learned the merchant trading thing
Since I mostly skipped SL
urban sequoia
And I could pass on Tazavesh, personally, though I guess it's been a sec since i...
mostly just hate the dungeons with the "do a puzzle" thing.
small steeple
I liked Tazavesh, was fun
pallid quiver
so i only like loosely know half of it
warm plinth
Eh a weakaura tells you anyway
pallid quiver
Anything that involves me pressing right click and turning
is like, impossible
Full Wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww or bust
mighty valley
damn. they should make a one-button addon for walking
warm plinth
Something fucking dreadful has happened though
My outlook at work cleared every last fucking one of my rules
pallid quiver
also, i'm not super big on the tazavesh aesthetics personally, which really makes or breaks content for me
mighty valley
that's why it's genius, the back half is just old expansion aesthetics
pallid quiver
My outlook at work cleared every last fucking one of my rules
have you tried loosing all restraint and morphing into a malevolent entity fueled only by anger, hatred, rage, and the deep desire to commit atrocities on the populace at a whole in order to placate your misaimed desire for revenge?
also i haven't heard about that eco-dome yet; it looks pretty neat. I'm curious about it
warm plinth
Im honestly about to cry. I cleared them yesterday because my whole outlook was fucked. Spent an hour this morning redoing all of them. Then I get an email that I could swear I made a rule for in my inbox
And I go to double check and they're all gone again
round pendant
pallid quiver
oh we have a funny new cloak that's mandatory for the raid again
don't you try to bait me, blizz, i know you just want me to play bfa
bfa timewalking, bfa cloak mechs...
solid sun
Did they say anything similar to the island ring about the belt
Like its intended to be taken off in heroic or something along those lines
urban sequoia
no
frosty mango
Blizzard: “artifacts were borrowed power and felt bad, we are removing borrowed power”
Also blizzard: “here’s an entire set of content related to borrowed power. Also here’s a new tier with a new artifact cape”
solid sun
Counterpoint: I’m playing dune rn and don’t wanna
warm plinth
It's going to get outpaced by gear fairly quickly. I'd imagine
round pendant
if it's not good next season I'll rather save 10 mins of my life
mighty valley
gamers will run the same dungeon 600 times hoping for a trinket but groan at the prospect of 10 mins to get a guaranteed upgrade
warm plinth
It's only like 1% better than a 684 right now. So figure maybe 2.5% at 701
mighty valley
not criticizing, just. yknow. interesting
urban sequoia
i mean itll be worse than any champion track gear next season
round pendant
gamers will run the same dungeon 600 times hoping for a trinket but groan at the...
I'm checked out for the season that's all
BUT
dungeons are fun and engaging
delves ain't even if they're quick
(imo)
solid sun
Tbf Harrow, I wouldn’t mind getting it if I were still playing everyday but now I’ve moved on
mighty valley
somewhere around the 357th dungeon run it stops being engaging to me personally
warm plinth
Thats very specific
round pendant
I got the ring on like 5 characters
I'm not opposed to doing slop content for an upgrade
mighty valley
hey, I said somewhere around, there's a margin of error
oh god the ring was so much more annoying to get haha
frosty mango
The ring was an outlier I think because of the mastery scaling thing
round pendant
357th? that's more than enough! I've only done each dungeon about 20-30 times this season which is way more than usual tbf
frosty mango
357th? that's more than enough! I've only done each dungeon about 20-30 times th...
I’ve run like 700 over my 4 chars and I cba now lol
round pendant
the only dungeon I'm sick of is top
lmao
I actually really like floodgate and priory
I could play those a dozen more times each
solid sun
Hey is this a legit artifact cloak
frosty mango
I run my obligatory 1 per week now and do like 3 push keys on war
solid sun
Are we getting AP again
frosty mango
Hey is this a legit artifact cloak
That’s what it says
solid sun
I can’t open the links yet
frosty mango
I can’t open the links yet
Pedal harder
warm plinth
Ring seemed fine to me. Took me like an hour tops and I'd never stepped foot on the isle before
round pendant
what cloak are you guys talking about
did I miss a link?
found it ty
Yeah this season + this has convinced me they REALLY want people to stay subbed
dripfeed content and now some AP
oh god I'm dooming again
can someone teach me how to be an optimist
warm plinth
Just dont play when you're not having fun. Thats what I do
round pendant
I guess that's a point
I still enjoy the game when I do play it so I shouldn't let all their poor decisions get to me before they're even implemented
I'm learnding
pallid quiver
see, my tin foil hat theory is that we're gonna need this cloak for the rest of the felcycle secret
so i need to get it
frosty mango
can someone teach me how to be an optimist
You can join me in “the world is a captialist greed sinkhole and I’m not rich enough to change it realist” land
I’d say we have cake but we can’t afford it
solid sun
I don’t necessarily mind AP
round pendant
You can join me in “the world is a captialist greed sinkhole and I’m not rich en...
I'm already there but it just sucks that most things I enjoy just get worse and worse over time
so sometimes I get a lil venty
frosty mango
I'm already there but it just sucks that most things I enjoy just get worse and ...
Oh that’s just getting old
Welcome
solid sun
Everyone vents sometimes
round pendant
I do be getting old
solid sun
My advice that you aren’t asking for is that we don’t need to vent about the same thing like 6 times
coarse meadow
guys Shouldnt I use different gem colors for the Diamond passive? or is just better to stack the deadly emerald?
round pendant
My advice that you aren’t asking for is that we don’t need to vent about the sam...
Thank you for the insight
round pendant
guys Shouldnt I use different gem colors for the Diamond passive? or is just bet...
You can sim it, my sim recommends a few different gems
though it might be a bit of a pain to sim all gem combinations since you prob don't have raidbots premium
solid sun
I enjoy the Taz aesthetic
And purple is a rad color
Could be a good season
I’m not really excited for a repeat of Arakara and priory
mighty valley
there were always gonna be reruns, i don't think any of the tww dungeons are the true worst
and i'm stoked to go back to HoA with spell block and disrupting shout this time
i started out the season hating priory but warmed up to it over time
solid sun
HoA and Taz and hopefully the new dungeon will be doing some heavy lifting this season imo
I’d rather do dawnbreaker over priory or spider land
mighty valley
arakara's... fine, my only gripe is that the last boss is harder than the other 95% of dungeon
solid sun
Ya the last boss has farmed my groups more than any other boss in a dungeon that I can remember
And no matter how fast I maneuver us through the rest of the dungeon she could single handedly brick the key for us
dusky canopy
My only gripe is the buggy ass dawnbreaker returning
Falling through the boat is fantastic
solid sun
Hey @undone beacon how does bear like the season 3 reveal
urban sequoia
i feel like i do so much more damage if i run show of force, but it feels like disrupting shout is a must in pugs because people barely interrupt u.u
coarse meadow
though it might be a bit of a pain to sim all gem combinations since you prob do...
are you assumin im poor?
because I am
round pendant
lmao
frosty wave
Is the belt a nerf to prot warrior ? Without nitro boost
frosty mango
No
lofty glen
Oo
urban sequoia
Oo
... it has a prot warrior there, whys it talking aboaut mortal strikes? 😟
I am hoping thats just for arms and they're not giving prot mortal strike
lofty glen
yes but that is what is leaked till now. just to have a view
karmic plinth
itll most likely be on shield slam for prot
urban sequoia
low key wonder if that set effect would be enough to make bloodborn actually worth taking as a talent
karmic plinth
could be depending on points we can spend
karmic plinth
thane might have something crazy too tbh
they can use these tier sets to help balance the hero talents
slender bison
We have 2p/4p per talent spec now?