protection

[lusty grotto]

you probably have too much haste/crit

[lime urchin]

too much exists?!

[lusty grotto]

DRs aside you gain more value from the suggestion

[lime urchin]

thank you again Nimchip

[solar skiff]

Hello. Would you recomend me any good WA? I'm not a fan of aura's that have all the cooldows i just want one that just tracks rage procks and defensives.

[lusty grotto]

hard to help you there

[solar skiff]

By defensives i just mean sb and ip

[lusty grotto]

browsing wago would probably yield better results

you need to track outburst too

SB, outburst, rage, not IP

[solar skiff]

Oki. Ty. Just wanted recomendation so i don't get something scuffred

[lusty grotto]

those are the bare minimum: SB, outburst, rage

i dont think a lot of us use a minimalist thing like youre asking

my bars are all hidden, but mine has everything

the WA i use, i mean

[young wasp]

Probably asked before, does Bloodborne talent effect Gushing wound head enchant?

[sinful copper]

@lusty grotto Nim how do u have a rainbow name?!?

[near salmon]

I hate how the game forces me to install Weakaura nowadays. I never felt like i needed wa until they introduced their official cooldown manager. I used to be able to see basics stuffs like SB/IP and outburst right above my hp bar. yet now those are moved to the upper right corner of the screen...

[solar skiff]

I want the minimalis Wa becous i plan to add my own WAs later. And i don't want to move stuff or strip down other ppls WA for it.

[pallid quiver]

i've got bad news

all that with SB/IP/Outburst above your HP bar was either an addon or stuff that was recently added

the buff bars have always been at the upper right baseline

[near salmon]

Interesting. So it's just going back the basics!

haha

[lusty grotto]

no

[lusty grotto]

red became rainbow

or gradient, i should say

[near salmon]

I have some evil ideas for future m+ design lol. They should have mobs they shoot "armor piercing" shots that deals 50x damage if blocked by a shield. That way the tank has to regularly turn their back toward the mobs and literally tank with their back to not get 1 shot lol

[lusty grotto]

unsub

[near salmon]

back tanking meta

[lusty grotto]

no meta, just unsub

[near salmon]

alright unsub

[undone beacon]

New talent: ass shield. You can now block from behind

[near salmon]

i guess that idea was too dumb

[undone beacon]

Easy

[lusty grotto]

its not dumb

its just not fun

c:

[pallid quiver]

that mechanic already exists

its just a shittier version of a mech thats even in a dungeon in this pool, because even if you do it wrong, sometimes you'd still be fine

It's just the same thing as any of the glance mechanics where you have to not be looking at the enemy in practice

[lusty grotto]

right, priory last boss

[sinful copper]

Which is it from? Just booster role or what? I didn't see any gradient role on u

[lusty grotto]

yeah booster

[solid sun]

I'm compiling shaders again

And I'm so annoyed

[lusty grotto]

servers are down

45mins till they are back up

you will compile shaders every time they patch it

and/or upgrade drivers

[solid sun]

Maybe this means I won't have to compile shaders in 45 minutes

[solid sun]

It did not mean that

[coarse latch]

Avatar should make us as tall as that toy that makes people really tall

Then we're bis

[coarse meadow]

Does Mountain THande And Colossus are still both good? I havent played Prot since start of the season, and guides show me both specs as roughly equal, Which one do you guys use personally? and why?

[lusty grotto]

colossus does more damage

so no they arent equal

they are equally capable of doing any content

but, again, colossus does more damage

thane is slightly more forgiving in case of mistakes

but defensively they are about the same

[coarse meadow]

Thanks!, Glad is that WAy, I can't not play Demolish, its so satysfising, not like my grammar

[deep steppe]

Hey all. Is the belt worth it after the buffs? Haven’t seen anything on it lately

[knotty mantle]

now this is the kind of warrior technology we need

either that or we get titans shield and we dw shields

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[foggy fable]

is it normal to be competing with dps overall in the 12-14 range?

[lusty grotto]

depends on what

overall? no

bosses? yes

some classes do no ST damage

like boomkins

[foggy fable]

it was a bm and dh

but i think it was just a bad run / pug type of situation maybe

i mostly play fury and newish to prot (in keys at least)

[lusty grotto]

what key

what dungeon i mean

[foggy fable]

not sure if prot damage is insane or just subpar players it was like a 13 priory

was pulling pretty slow due to jaja heals

[lusty grotto]

overall

you should be closeby but still lower

as long as it times the key, it really doesnt matter

[lusty grotto]

id say they shouldnt be close as HDH tbh

depends on target capping and your pulls

[foggy fable]

pulls were pretty slow i had some doubles+triples but nothing too spicy the dps werent getting tons of interrupts/stops and heals was chugging along for some reason

but was just curioius if spec was op or just subpar players

[lusty grotto]

the spec isnt op

we're the highest dps tank in the game, but that doesnt mean we compete outright with well played dps

do you have a log? cause now im curious

[cerulean tusk]

DPS should sit around 4-5m DPS in priory, if you do that as a tank I would be impressed

12-14 is now the cesspool zone tho. I can see many a player do tank DPS

[lusty grotto]

its not that bad, try 10s

holy fuck i wanted to tear my hair out with nimchipadin doing the healer achieves

[cerulean tusk]

I just do 14-15s for weeklies now, anything lower is not worth the time wasted

Guess it will jump to 16 if the belt is crazy good

Hope belt is crazy bad

[lusty grotto]

its like 0.8% in aoe

mwahi did the numbers

[cerulean tusk]

We are saved the pain

[lusty grotto]

2.2% ST

0.8% AOE

#protection message

different powers too for both

spark burst seems like the best middle ground

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, will be fun to not have to grind out that belt. O.8% on AoE sounds like it will be a loss once you go over that target count

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto perfect hulk cheese spot found

100% sanity damage free, ezpz

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

found one for the spirits boss too which is funny because he's already super easy but 🤷 the things we do for science

[sharp merlin]

Moving to 15s, anything as a prot we should we aware of? Do we need to pull more like a psycho?

[lusty grotto]

not much difference from 14s

[sharp merlin]

Oh good

Ez life then

[sharp gale]

You need to remove pulls when you start to deplete bc of the timer

I think you can do the same route until 17s with minor adjustments

If you finish the key 10% in time, it means it will work in the key above with the same dps/ same route

[fallen lichen]

There’s a few bosses you actually need to start paying attention to. Besides that it’s just normal routes and don’t go crazy. Deaths really is what rips the timer.
If you have 3 okay dps and no deaths, all keys are pretty puggable until 16/17

[sharp merlin]

Sorry, what do you mean remove pulls?

yeah all my 14's timed to a point where it almost +2'd

[sharp gale]

On mdt you have a number of pulls like your floodgate route have like 19-20 pulls

When you want to scrap time you remove 1, by finding trashs to do together to compensate

Until you have the most insane route with 12 pulls, but you are doing 21s at that point

[sharp merlin]

Ahh cool!

[sharp gale]

Dont’ be lazy and select bosses as a pull, sometime you can have the idea to do trashs with one and they count as a pull

I don’t think this season there are lot of trashs+boss tho

[sharp merlin]

What ya mean? You don’t pull the whole platform on Rookery onto boss? Damn

[inland garnet]

Hey, do you think it's a good idea to get House of Cards w chips if one already has the Signet of Priory on mythic track?

[lusty grotto]

signet is not good for us

its terrible for warriors in general

[inland garnet]

I see

[lusty grotto]

warriors prefer 1.5 min cd trinkets

[inland garnet]

Do you know by chance if that is also true for prot paladins?

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt know

but ret does prefer 1.5m

and not 2m

[inland garnet]

yeah, think so too, AW is 2mins but its cd is being reduced

[lusty grotto]

i said ret not prot

i dont play prot

i dont like prot paladin

you should check over with them tbh

ret doesnt really play AW as is

[inland garnet]

The pink boys would like a phone identification before posting there 😄

[lusty grotto]

hold up

@wooden radish

there, thats one of them

who also writes some of the wowhead stuff

if there's anyone here that can answer if prot paladins like 2 min cd trinkets like signet, its him.... if hes awake

[inland garnet]

Thank you! Yes, hopefully he has some input

[sharp gale]

AW is not 2 min as prot pal

You have anger management on ppal too

[rough egret]

At what point should I swap Indom for offensive option? 🙂 im at 665ilvl atm, for example battle ram

My content on pwar is not high atm, doing 10-12s

[inland garnet]

Yes, yes, exactly

I am not sure if I should run House + Signet and just roll a trinket each time AW is up (~1min)

Bombsuit pretty good even on Hc track tho

Oh the Scrapfield 9001 actually looks great

[lusty grotto]

at any point, indom is garbage

[sharp gale]

I would have pacemaker / trinket in every circonstance imo

Double on-use huuuh

[inland garnet]

yeah, double on-use is slightly cringe

don't have the peacemaker on the pala

why people don't like the Scrapfield btw

just because peacemaker is better?

[sharp gale]

I think it is bc if you have access to scrap field, you have better options already

It is not a « not liking » the trinket

[rough egret]

Thank you, wise rat.

[jagged pier]

[upbeat crane]

hey im fury main, but thinking of tanking a bit here n there. wondering if i should craft 1h or shield

(only have 1 craft)

[rough egret]

Shiled > Weapon

[upbeat crane]

ay

[rough egret]

If you have dinnars you can buy shield and craft weap.

Assuming that you killed Gally on Mythic

[upbeat crane]

6/8

can buy something with dinar

but idk if rik weap/shield worth to buy

[rough egret]

Probably Tome, but idk your trinkets are already strong

[upbeat crane]

i also have this one

[rough egret]

I would craft shield and buy Tome 😄

[cerulean tusk]

I am here just to say: shield ilvl is Uber BiS

[upbeat crane]

[covert helm]

prot is weird because AW has cdr elements to it

atm you just play tome pacemaker on it to avoid that redundancy, but your AW cd is like 1:10-1:25 in raid with decent play

[covert helm]

Last season Skarmorak shard was good but that was because you had less cdr on AW as well, both via having less haste and not having the tier set procs to let you proc the cdr more

[fair beacon]

Question: Aside from the Seaforium Charge and Tome of Light trinkets, any other dungeon trinkets worth getting with the dinars? I got dinars just sitting there for no reason (only thing useful to get are maybe the cloak and final boss ring which I aint got no guild/group to kill)

[wooden radish]

Signet is ok. Worse than house of cards. Would not use double on use. Pacemaker is great as a second trinket, even on hero track.

[wooden radish]

Send me a DM - I can bypass this for you after a short quiz to check if you are not a robot 😛

[sharp gale]

Don’t

Just craft wep+ shield and then look maybe to have another set of ring/ neck to fix your stats from fury->prot (can be crafted as well)

Like me : I play fury in raid and prot in m+, i have 2 crafted ring for prot rn

• from your screen, you can open your vaults as prot imo

[cerulean abyss]

i dont have myth trinkets. seeing about 2% of my damage from this. is it worth leveling?

[turbid plaza]

where can i find the best mountain thane m+ build

[timber nest]

Don’t play thane, go colossus and find that build

[warm plinth]

Wowhead guide has builds for both

[little steppe]

Its okayish for prot ig

[crimson river]

Am I supposed to feel hella rage starved in big pulls?

[paper crypt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9NYcJL8qPkdyXazt?fight=30&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24deaths%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24257115619.0.0.Mage%24false%240&source=16

It's still 2% of your damage when leveled to max

Like you I took it when I had no other myth trinkets, and I don't have better myth trinkets now

[sharp gale]

Nop, big guess is : you are scared bc lot is going on with big pulls, so you start panick rely on ignore pain

[paper crypt]

If you cast ignore pain 5x as much as you need to like me, yep

[sharp gale]

If your health goes low too fast/ it is better to press a def cd, ignore pain spam will kill you

If your IP popped bc damage, but low rage, just : tank for few gcd without IP active

[paper crypt]

Yeah I'm trying to get better but actually seeing my health bar move when all my defensives are on cooldown is scary. It's not supposed to move at all

[warm plinth]

The damage a trinket does is not a fixed % of your damage. In that log, you're doing 1.5 million DPS, so the trinket is 2% of your damage. If you were doing 2.5 mil, it would be considerably less.

[chilly brook]

What key levels are you doing?

[sharp gale]

Well if it goes down slowly, you can press impeding victory / shockwave to give yourself a full HP healer tops

[chilly brook]

Your health is going to move at a certain point in keys

[sharp gale]

Yes the green bar is supposed to go down when you take damage

[chilly brook]

The only time I’m scared in a key is when I have no defensives and I know a big mechanic that hurts is coming up but that’s when I tell the healer “I’m dry”

[paper crypt]

I've timed all 10's and I am trying to improve myself to the point that I can push 12's and 13's to hopefully get 3000 rating. I can do 12's and 13's. I just haven't successfully timed them

[chilly brook]

Your health shouldn’t move much at all in those keys minus some specific things like big momma hit and pierce armor

[paper crypt]

Big momma took me down to like 5% health lol, she is a beast

[chilly brook]

Gotta use defensives well

[sharp gale]

What stopping you from « success » ? But yeah in 12s if you are like 675 your hp don’t move unless you can’t simple block it

[chilly brook]

If you dropped to 5% you’re oversending or the boss just didn’t phase fast enough

Nothing matters on that fight except electro crush

Don’t send CDs outside of that

Defensive CDs that is

[sharp gale]

And if you press spell block not too quick, you can block multiple crush’s

[warm plinth]

I know you didn't post this log for review, but this cast chart shows me that you're not entirely understanding your rotation. Your cooldown usage seems pretty good but your core abilities are out of whack.

[chilly brook]

“Tiiiime to tango!”

[paper crypt]

Well I know some problems I'm having. I'm only blocking ~90% of hits instead of 95%, my defensives are just being sent instead of timed when they could be most effective, and I'm overusing ignore pain which is starving me of shield slam casts. And I think there are rotational issues

IDK I just find it much harder to improve on prot than on DPS specs because there's a constant anxiety in the back of my mind that if I die I'll brick the key and if we don't time it that's almost always my fault

[paper crypt]

Oh this is cool, where did you see this?

[sharp gale]

The constant anxiety is solved for me by the 0.00001 sec queue time bc tank

[chilly brook]

If you nail down the “rotation” then you have nothing to think about except for how to play the key well 😉

[warm plinth]

In the log you posted, go to the Casts tab

[paper crypt]

Ok thanks

[warm plinth]

Like you have some stuff you're doing really well. You're using your cooldowns, you're not wasting rage

But you should have a good ~15 more casts per minute in general. From what I can tell it seems like you're in old prot warrior/mountain thane playstyle mode

Higher cpm of TC, lower cpm of Revenge. Should be the other way around

[paper crypt]

That's true, I mained mountain thane and mountain thane only for the first 300? hours of warrior

Switched to colossus a week? two? ago

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's a huge adjustment (speaking as someone who has played pwar since Legion). I'm still not super thrilled with Colossus playstyle but Demolish is bis

[paper crypt]

I fell in love with seeing 8 digit demolishes and I don't think I can go back now

[sharp gale]

I prefer thane, but col rotation is fresh air for me after 3 expansions of clapping

[frosty mango]

I enjoy both but I can admit colossus is not intuitive

A tank spec where you don’t prioritize your active (like ignore pain)

[warm plinth]

The thing that's weird for me is you go from spamming a generator to spamming a spender

[frosty mango]

That being said revenge do go brrr

[paper crypt]

I started playing WoW a couple of months ago and warrior just clicked the best for me out of all the classes I've leveled to 80

But of course it's always possible to get better and I need to do a lot of that

Clearly

[frosty mango]

Make a weakaura that makes a noise when your rage is over 75/80 (rec 70 if you are newer)

And press IP when it dings

Otherwise you should be sending shield slam whenever it’s up, and revenge

[paper crypt]

I actually have a button that pops ignore pain on screen at 70, and another button that shows shield block when it's inactive

[frosty mango]

You only really need to tclap during gather to get mobs on you and apply rend - after that you press it when you can’t press shield slam or revenge

[paper crypt]

Okay

[frosty mango]

As you get more comfy with dungeons you’ll be able to get a little more loose with ignore pain - I have mine set at 80 for example, but you will waste a little rage in that case

In exchange for more revenges

[paper crypt]

There's a key event later today I'll be practicing on

Hopefully will see improvement

3000 feels possible, just need to finish learning routes and pump more damage

[frosty mango]

Outside of all of that just try to make sure you get demolish inside of avatar + demo shout when possible (if they have like less than 8-10 seconds left, wait to cast it, but don’t wait too long)

[cerulean abyss]

is the upcoming addon change going to stop all WAs?

[paper crypt]

How much damage overall should I be doing? I'm usually between 1.5-1.7m

Reason I ask is I see wide variance from 1.8m to 2.5m in higher keys and unsure how close you can get to that without optimized BiS gear

[woven scroll]

depends on much stuff. in m+ 12ish keys, depends on pulls, its doable to go for 2.5-2.8 mio.
but you need some nasty pulls, which is mostly not possible in theatre for example

[paper crypt]

Ah okay long way to go then. Fair enough

[crimson river]

@sharp gale Wouldn't you want ignore pain up all the time on big pulls though?

[sharp gale]

You use IP to : not rage cap

[crimson river]

So not as a mitigation tool?

[woven scroll]

you dont use ip actively, like ineffable said, just not not overcapping rage.

[crimson river]

Ohh damn

[woven scroll]

😅

on colossus, fishing for SS with revenge is much more important, cuz its ez to run dry on rage while spending in IP

[crimson river]

SS which is of course shield slam?

[woven scroll]

shield slam

[crimson river]

Right

[woven scroll]

revenge has a 30% chance to reset your shieldslam cd

[crimson river]

And we need shield slam for rage

[woven scroll]

also TC and devastator

exactly

you want to spam as much SS as possible

cuz of highest rage generation

[crimson river]

Low key sad we are not generating a shitton of rage in aoe

Like DH generating souls

Or druids generating rage

[woven scroll]

and with high rage spends, you get more outburst casts, which will give you free IP everytime.

[crimson river]

Thanks

[woven scroll]

we just have shieldslam and tc to generate.. and of course, double it on outburst proccs.

so aoe doesnt matter in case of rage gen.

also in aoe SS is highest prio, unless you have aggro issues on pull start. you cycle ss/revenge mostly in aoe

ah, and forgot, shieldcharge/charge also generates rage and SC do aoe dam.

[severe wadi]

can we macro anything like demo to reduce button bloat

[mellow bridge]

aoe does matter for rage gen because you generate rage on being melee'd too

also bloodsurge in case you play that

(you should in a lot of dungeons)

[mild river]

I'm starting to have threat issues once playing with better players. Doing 17s with an enhanc shaman was a NIGHTMARE. He did so much damage in every pull that i was pre panicking even before pulling haha

Anyone else having threat issue with enhanc shaman?

[crimson river]

Ele shammy sucks, idk about enhance

[warm plinth]

Most specs are gonna peel a mob or three if they're going ham before you've actually finished gathering. Once you're established, you should be okay; you've got multiple burstier threat options for the start of the pull if you need them, TR, aoe taunt, etc.

[woven scroll]

there is no passive rage gen. anymore.

you dont get rage from taking dam.

[warm plinth]

er, what

You definitely do XD

Druids don't (I believe) unless they use Bristling Fur. But prot warrior still does.

You get 3 rage per hit with an ICD of 1 second

[woven scroll]

🤔 oh.. thought this would be changed.. guess mf 😅

[warm plinth]

I believe the change that occurred long ago was that you used to get more rage if you took more damage

Now it's fixed

[severe wadi]

can we macro anything like demo to reduce button bloat#

[woven scroll]

i've found the formula for passive rage gen. but i never recognized during combat, since the active gain is so much higher.
but i will check this tomorrow, cuz the formula says, theres a reduction on high armor and defensives.
also i've found:
"rage gained is proportional to Health Points lost" 🤔

[woven scroll]

theres a pretty good macro with charge/intervene and hamstring in one button.

[severe wadi]

a stormbolt shockwave macro ?

[warm plinth]

That is likely from a classic article/post. Modern WoW rage gen from damage taken is not a formula. It's literally 3 rage per hit with a 1 second ICD.

[woven scroll]

you can macro everything off cd in a cd spell. but except of doin' so with shieldblock or IP i would not recommend this.
on the actual build, you can have stormbold and shockwave both skilled. so i guess theres no macro because maybe you sometimes want single, sometimes aoe

[warm plinth]

You could macro them together with a modifier. e.g. press this button to shockwave, press shift+this button to storm bolt

[severe wadi]

yeh taht sound scool

[woven scroll]

ah ok. have to do some tests for this, cuz of my high amount of armor and threat, combined with little zugzug int, i'm very sceptical to learn something new (or old, in this case) 🤪

[warm plinth]

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift]Stormbolt;Shockwave

[woven scroll]

but, why dont just use another keybind for the shift button?

buttons are the same. just need another slot, except you click it

example: 5 = stormbolt, shift+5 = shockwave

[warm plinth]

What test do you need to do? Go hit a random mob, turn your back, watch 3 rage show up every time it hits you

[woven scroll]

this ^

😅

zugzug..

[sharp gale]

We don’t have off GCDs abilities you can macro to reduce amount of buttons

[warm plinth]

https://gyazo.com/924063fe97c00eaf44860afc056aeb61

[sharp gale]

Maybe spell reflect on demo shout

[woven scroll]

❤️

[paper crypt]

No way you bind spell reflect to anything else, that's crazy

[sharp gale]

If you think more about it

[paper crypt]

That's my pummel is on cooldown and that cast is going to suck button

(And also the reflect itself obviously)

[woven scroll]

you can do a Shieldblock and colossus smash in one macro. i personally do, because if i swap talents to thane, my block button stays the same 👍

[sharp gale]

Spell reflect on demo shout : you press it to either spell reflect (you usually press spell reflect in gcd lock window so who cares) and yes you will spell reflect when it will be available when you demo shout

But is it that inting if you spell reflect each time you demo shout ?

Or it can be on ravager if you want longer cd

[warm plinth]

I mean, it's generally a bad idea to stack defensives if you don't have to

[sharp gale]

Yes I’m just in curious moment of what could I macro as prot

To reduce buttons

[paper crypt]

Shield slam and ignore pain (for legal reasons this is a joke)

[woven scroll]

its not ideal, bit mostly its just chill, shieldblock + shieldslam macro.
but be warned, sometimes. you dont want use block and need only slam.

[warm plinth]

There's also the consideration that we primarily use demo shout on CD, whereas you may not want to use Spell Reflection on CD

[sharp gale]

Less troll macros / lil acceptable

[sharp gale]

Yes so I would put spell reflect with ravager then

In the world I macro spell reflect

[sharp gale]

That’s too much int to be acceptable for me

But in S3 with billion haste who cares

[paper crypt]

Bind spell reflect, spell block, ignore pain, shield block, and shield slam together. Then you can have a three button rotation with revenge and thunder clap 😄

[woven scroll]

imo spell reflect has some specific situations where you need it or want to press it. idk if its a good idea to rosk its on cd cuz you just ravaged something

[sharp gale]

Every 1 min 30, only if it is available when you ravager

Every other time you press the ravager button / macro : it spell reflect bc ravager is on cd

[paper crypt]

It's crazy how in the future the first thing you'll have to ask someone is if they are using one button before you help them

Because it's hardly even that bad

-13%

[sharp gale]

It is so bad

[woven scroll]

😂

[sharp gale]

I think you 100% die

[paper crypt]

Marksmanship hunter is -3% with one button. You didn't read that wrong

[sharp gale]

In content you take damage

[sharp gale]

So? MM doesn’t tank

And it’s 3% the rotation help, not the button

0.3 sec gcd penalty is bare minimum 20% loss

[paper crypt]

Because the general logic will be "it's fine for my insert DPS spec, it must be good for tank."

And so many people will come in to ask for help with their tank and you will have to ask them if they are using one button before you help them, because it will probably be killing them. See my reasoning?

[sharp gale]

If you don’t have dots*

[paper crypt]

I'm thinking ahead of the future where one button has been normalized for many casual players

[woven scroll]

compared to other speccs, imo the button bloat of prot isnt rly a problem.

[sharp gale]

I think they will stop using it if they die using it

[warm plinth]

How is it a 3% loss with one button? That's not even possible.

With the helper, maybe, but not with one button

[sharp gale]

It is rotation helper 100%

[paper crypt]

Buddy... people don't even use their defensives even at the wrong time. Even if it's the one thing that will save them. You think people will continue to do the same thing or radically change their behavior?

[sharp gale]

In no universe -20k haste penalty is 3%

[paper crypt]

I would be totally fine if people just kept using their defensives at the wrong time and died because of that, because you can learn to time it better. But not having life savers on the hotbar is kinda crazy tbh

[woven scroll]

simply the 0.3 penalty will crush your dps hard in the face.

simple to learn, hard to master: press a cd wrong > never press a cd 😉

[paper crypt]

One sad thing I've learned in life is that most people don't really change. They just adjust their reality to accommodate their habits. Changing habits can be hard work.

[severe wadi]

do we use bv or fbv?

[mighty valley]

barely matters but bv is slightly better based on the last numbers I saw

[sharp gale]

If you talk about ppl who would come in prot channel of warrior discord to ask questions, no I don’t think they will

[paper crypt]

Ok fair enough. I'm not trying to flame anyone. Talking about the more casual audience who wouldn't come to their class discord to ask questions

Casuals keep this game running

[sharp gale]

Your question was about us needing to ask if ppl use the button

The first step is someone asking here something

• he will post a log

And you will 100% know he use the button

If first step still happens

[paper crypt]

See that's what I mean. How will you know for sure? I think someone will need to develop a tool for that. Maybe Warcraftlogs can point it out with certainty

[sharp gale]

We have the button apl

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/assisted_combat/warrior_protection.simc

[paper crypt]

Wait is that it?

[sharp gale]

Yes, you 100% die with that

[paper crypt]

Yeah that seems... lacking

[warm plinth]

I'm confused; that link doesn't show the APL

[paper crypt]

But it could also be a good way for people to ease into a more complicated tank

[warm plinth]

That's just the cooldown list that simc will use in addition to it it looks like?

It calls the action list but it doesn't show that list here

[sharp gale]

I hope it is

[warm plinth]

All the spells listed there are spells that the one button system won't press

[sharp gale]

You are right, fury has nothing, but still / we will have the apl anyway

Ppl sim the button

[sharp gale]

Oh god

[paper crypt]

Is weapon or shield better for crafting? I have hero capo's knuckles and titan of industry

[sharp gale]

I guess it is api grabbed

[sharp gale]

If you have 2 craft available, you will do both anyway

Until you loot them in your vault / raid

[paper crypt]

I just have one spark available

I have everforged legplates and breastplate in my bank though, not gilded crafted

[sharp pasture]

is the flood tank trinket equal to gally tank trink??

same shield?

[warm plinth]

Bombsuit is generally better outside of a couple mechanics because partial absorbs work better with Ignore Pain than full absorbs.

[sharp pasture]

I have bombsuit HC and i was thinking in take the flood mithic trink with the 3 coins

[sharp gale]

I don’t recall absorb values of the two, but bombsuit has the value of 1min30 + partial absorb

[paper crypt]

Have you tried ringing ritual mud?

Seems kind of OP

[grim pilot]

they work better for anyone in general

not just IP scaling

[frosty mango]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/default/warrior_protection.simc

There you go

That’s the current default warrior apl

[warm plinth]

We were looking for the one button apl

[frosty mango]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/assisted_combat/warrior_protection.simc

[sharp gale]

Same trap as me

[frosty mango]

Not sure how accurate it is yet it’s new

[sharp gale]

I think the apl is api grabbed

So it is empty here

[frosty mango]

That’s “assisted”

It’s not one button

[sharp gale]

Yes assisted is the one button

[frosty mango]

I thought assisted was the one like hello

Hekili

[sharp gale]

The button just do assisted but with penalty

It is the same apl

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's not the apl for it.

[blazing nymph]

if i have no crafted pieces for m+ on my prot warrior, do i craft my wep/shield first or go for bracers/cloak first to get dawnthread embellishments

[frosty mango]

It literally says it is in the comments - though I’m not sure it would be accurate yet

[warm plinth]

Shield and weapon

[blazing nymph]

thanks!

[warm plinth]

It can say whatever it wants but there's no apl in that code.

[blazing nymph]

wep then shield? or other way around

[frosty mango]

Sure there is - it will charge

[warm plinth]

Yes exactly, as already stated, the list is pulled from the api. The list of spells in that code is all the things the assisted combat won't press

[frosty mango]

And auto attack

[warm plinth]

Shield > weapon> embellish > low ilevel pieces

[blazing nymph]

awesome i appreciate the help

[frosty mango]

Each list is set up as a placeholder it looks like

The actual apl section is empty

So tldr not ready

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[sharp gale]

In sims it is grabbed from Blizz api I guess

[frosty mango]

Yea and then those flags will call the simc file in the /assisted_combat folder

[woven scroll]

would be interesting if we get acces to the api comands ingame with patch 11.1.7.
the idea is to grap assisted commands and use it in another way? 🤔

[echo egret]

DFC : if you skip, you have to kill pretty much everything else, right ? Is it worth it ?

[sharp gale]

Not sure you are interested to have that ingame

[sharp gale]

Idk what you skip, but if you hate certain packs, usually you skip them yes

[frosty mango]

Yes and yes

Generally you go down left side at start, skip right side

Clear entire room after first boss

Then do candle boss and skip mini boss

Then you basically need to do everything else

I usually aim for 104% because the cart gauntlet is janky sometimes mobs fall through the floor

[stone ice]

sry if this question was asked before, but ive heard plenty of poeple call mountain thane bad now. is it actually bad (having infinite rage and slightly better aoe pickup feels good) or is colossus just better once you are comfortable with the key for damage

and when they say bad, the mean, worse damage

[patent osprey]

Ultimately play whichever u do better/perform better at, but yeah colossus is notably better in all scenarios

[rough egret]

Dmg is the best defensive stat.

[stone ice]

ok

[rough egret]

They cant hurt you when they dead

[warm plinth]

Thane is not bad. Colossus is significantly better in AoE damage. Play what you want.

[crimson river]

Would you be safe doing x3 muscle with 639 ilvl?

On a +12

[lusty grotto]

muscles arent an issue to us

or tanks

they are an issue to your group

thats not what kills tanks on that pull, the patron bleed is

or pulls rather

[patent osprey]

What nimchip said but yeah so prob shouldnt at that ilvl haha

[lusty grotto]

lol yea

if you got a banger team, should be fine but i certainly wouldn't with pugs

[warm plinth]

I almost pinged you the other day to ask how you were; hadn't seen you talk in here in a while. How are you?

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah that reminds me

there's an unofficial yt replay channel for you plka, is that good to link out if people wanna see runs since i noticed yours isnt updated?

when people ask for streamers i just link em sense's youtube and your twitch

[hollow patio]

Does BSV proc without regarding the absorb shield from gally trinket? I just did top and the last boss procced me through trinket. I had 14.7m hp, 12.9m absorb (trinket + some ip) and spell reflect and i cheated. There is no way it does that much dmg right?

On 17

I had shield wall rdy but i thought trinket + spell reflect is enough

[severe wadi]

would you macro spell reflect to anything

[lime urchin]

Frens, imma craft a new shield, can I also sim which stats I should pick as missive?

[warm plinth]

No

[patent osprey]

Good ^.^ sorry work has been terribly busy haha so i was occupied. ^.^ hopefully i can put more time into content now haha. Managed to just get 20 resil on the war though so stonks rising

[warm plinth]

Yeah I saw your name on the list when I was looking through logs the other day and was like hey i wonder how that dude's doing XD

[patent osprey]

Mainly twitch VODs since i have them public but ill start uploading again, a few + 20 runs

[lusty grotto]

gotcha

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you can use gear compare or droptimizer sims to do that.

[severe wadi]

can i macro any of this to make less buttons or is this how we play?

[lusty grotto]

yes it does, but its not consistent enough for us to report, it used to be way worse though

[patent osprey]

No macros other than @ cursor macros or like target of target intervene

[severe wadi]

what spec do we do bran as prot?

[warm plinth]

Doesn't really matter. I used him as DPS forever and someone said healer is better. I haven't really noticed a difference since swapping.

[pallid quiver]

default to dps; your life shouldn't really be in any realistic danger in delves

I think he only executes mobs in DPS, which is slightly more QoL

[warm plinth]

I'll execute your mob

gottem

[pallid quiver]

Healer can dispel things as a note, which was useful for Zekvir

DPS brann interrupts more often though iirc

[jagged gust]

I could never rely on healer brann dispels, but the heals are welcome on the nemesis bosses

[atomic ermine]

if given choice, crafted shield or weapon?

[jagged gust]

Shield then weapon

[atomic ermine]

ok i appreciate you

[jagged gust]

Shield is really important to your mitigation, but damage very important too.

[atomic ermine]

its cos im a skreb prot. mainly arms. so im not the best or pushing anything really

[jagged gust]

We all started somewhere

[warm plinth]

idk if you've done a 5 mask vision but friendly reminder you can get a basically free hero track weapon or shield from the vendor if you have.

[atomic ermine]

i havent done any of them

[warm plinth]

oh

Are you NA?

[atomic ermine]

no

i was homeless

ive just got a pc again

and the game has changed a lot

so stuff like visions ve missed

[jagged gust]

Visions is a good place to get some practice in

Trash with multiple abilities, bosses with dodgeable abilities you can practice on at your own pace

[warm plinth]

Plus you realistically should do at least some visions to get the head enchant

[haughty atlas]

You can get the greater enchant In 6 runs, if you've never done them before.

2 x full clears for the lesser gives 4 x black blood.
Then 4 x both lost areas clears give 2 blackblood. Doesn't take too long thankfully

[lusty grotto]

you can do it even faster

go to the shortest wing that has a mini boss, kill mini boss, exit instance

repeat

blood goes into mail

[paper crypt]

If I'm not timing a single key today is that a "look at the bottom of your shoe" moment or should I just blame the DPS and move on? /s

[warm plinth]

I'm confused. I didn't say anything about how long it would take, just that he should do them to get the head enchant

[warm plinth]

Depends on if it was your fault or not XD

[paper crypt]

It's always my fault

[warm plinth]

Oh

Then I would say the former

[lusty grotto]

just revise what you can control

pulls, cd usage

placing blame is garbage

it does nothing

[frosty mango]

Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside

[lusty grotto]

and provides 0 meaningful progress

well its just a thing gamers do, im not saying its easy to not do

but objectively it really doesnt provide anything of value

[pallid quiver]

just find someone you know and always blame them, even if they're not in the key

Like if you pull the entirety of the first section of Priory into the first boss of Floodgate somehow, just be like, "god dammit nim, why'd you do this to us"

[lusty grotto]

sure thing, always blame me

i can block

c:

[pallid quiver]

I personally always blame my mage friend I've known for years

He doesn't even have a sub active and I still blame him.

Probably because somehow, someway, it is his fault.

he's the guy who broke down an entire bowling alley within 5 minutes of arriving at the venue, after all

[lusty grotto]

[haughty atlas]

One you've done the lesser enchant, you can only get black blood from the lost areas. The easier areas don't drop it

[lusty grotto]

im aware

there are still lost areas that have an early mini boss

i didnt specify whether i was talking about easier or lost areas after all

[chilly brook]

@lusty grotto how much do servers matter in Dune?

[jagged gust]

It's the monk in our guild

[lusty grotto]

a lot

servers matter, sietches do not

since endgame is cross sietch

and the cities as well

[lusty grotto]

guilds are cross sietch as well

[small steeple]

sietch?

[lusty grotto]

Dune Awakening

[small steeple]

yeah i read the context

is a sietch like a shard?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[sand hound]

I dont raid, only m+. What should i buy with 6x cartel chips? myth track m+, hero track raid.

[brave badge]

Jastor is a solid choice.

[nocturne spindle]

Book and seaforium

[frosty mango]

The wowhead guide has a section

To help you determine

Don’t buy a jastors unless you can get a mythic one

[solid sun]

Moved on to 14's and 15's

Kinda funny meandering through these keys and finding out something mattered that didn't before

[mighty valley]

What’s your latest thing that mattered

Tell me a story

[near salmon]

Pull #1 of DFC. Those casters and rock thrower now will murder healer and dps lol

doesnt seem to hurt people in 12

[solid sun]

There are little bee dudes that stack a venom on you in cinderbrew that never mattered at all for me, but then tonight in a 14 right before the bee boss it super mattered

I died and felt pretty sheepish. Didn't even realize it was coming

Did I do a good story

[mighty valley]

Yeah good story! I wanna hear an ending though, how you do on the next one

[frosty mango]

I did it boys, 4m overall in priory

it just took a bunch of unethical pull timing, two priests PIing me, and a shaman and a monk

I've completed my completely arbitrary and pointless goal for the season

[echo egret]

Anyone can recommend a priory route ?
14-15 range
pug-friendly

There are so many out here, with zig-zag pulls everywhere, with or without knights, lightspawns, etc.

[ionic nimbus]

14-15 you dont have to care about a knight in the 1st pull or avoiding lightspawns

You can go straight forward and pull packs into minibosses

[woven scroll]

i prefer clearing and do 200%. my zugzug brain tells me everytime charge > skip

but i guess the only useful time consuming part is, to spawn the 2nd mini boss fast and do trashpacks into minibosses.

[crimson river]

Fellas

I've crafted a shield as first item with an embillishment

Do I do weapon next?

[frosty mango]

That would probably be your best bet but depending on the rest of your gear it might differ

You can dim your possible crafted slots and see which is the biggest

[hazy lake]

Is ascension decent to embelish on my weapon? Prot is my OS so I havve the 2x effectiveness one on my armor and need a weapon embelishment rather than the duskthread

[sharp gale]

If you have a crafted weapon, play ascension

But I would just sim tbf, even tho I think it will be ascension

[coral quartz]

Hey just looking at wowhead guide it says to cast taunt and shield charge before reaching enemy

Is it best to have this on a single bind

[sharp gale]

Shield block*

Idk about macro the two together

[coral quartz]

shield block sorry

jsut have on single binds

[sharp gale]

It is definitely not best to have the two on a single bind, but idk if it would be that dramatic

[jagged pier]

i mean u dont want to do that at all

your just running up taunt DR on things

for negative reasons

[coral quartz]

ok

[sharp gale]

Yeah you don’t want to bind those 2 things bc you need taunt and shield block for very different reasons, in m+ it would be who cares unless you need the taunt, but in raid it is thé worst

It’s not like trinket/pot/ avatar bind

[coral quartz]

Im just strugfgling to taunt and cast shield block before reaching the target

[sharp gale]

The taunt is only in raid / if you take boss first

i don’t taunt in m+ unless i lose aggro

[coral quartz]

ok ty

[proud plank]

put shield block on a mouse button

[rough egret]

Pooling rage before next pull in m+ might help too. So sou can have SB as you charge to next pack

[round cliff]

this is some evil shit

shield block goes on E always

[cerulean tusk]

Shieldblock is 2

[sharp gale]

Q

[cerulean tusk]

q is strafe, you monster!

[sharp gale]

A is strafe

[cerulean tusk]

ewww

[sharp gale]

2 is shield slam, what else would be shield slam ?????

[cerulean tusk]

shift-4

:)

revenge is shift-3

[proud plank]

wdym? IP and SB are on my side buttons of my mouse

that sounds pretty normal

[cerulean tusk]

SB belongs on 2

ya monster

[proud plank]

2 is impending victory

im not a number presser

[cerulean tusk]

No, V is for Victory

[proud plank]

v is roar

[cerulean tusk]

No

[proud plank]

yes

[cerulean tusk]

R is for Roar

[proud plank]

r is shield slam

[cerulean tusk]

No, shieldslam is shift-4

[proud plank]

im never pressing shift for anything im hitting that much

i had revenge on shift 1

my hand hurt after 1 dungeon

[round cliff]

v is taunt

[cerulean tusk]

Shift-3 is revenge

[round cliff]

2 is last stand

[cerulean tusk]

perfecto

V is taunt?

[round cliff]

wtf is wrong with you

[proud plank]

v is taunt is absolutely nefarious

[cerulean tusk]

Man, T is for Taunt

[proud plank]

shift f is taunt

[mighty valley]

funky your key binds are diabolical

[proud plank]

they're alphabetical

its goated

[cerulean tusk]

Mine are very logical, as you cans ee

[proud plank]

well

[round cliff]

shift f is for like, tiger lust

[proud plank]

why isnt revenge shift r

[sharp gale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-angry-mad-cat-meme-gif-17719456655395931550

[proud plank]

this is not dreamgrove

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-spray-begone-goaway-gif-13162288

[mighty valley]

having to press shift for shield slam is the behavior of a villain

[round cliff]

revenge goes on #1 of an mmo mouse keypad

[sharp gale]

Why would you put a spammed button on shift something

[cerulean tusk]

Not my fault you got small fingers, tsk tsk tsk

[proud plank]

true

[round cliff]

shield slam is shift + revenge

[proud plank]

put roar on shift r

[round cliff]

roar is mouse button 5

[cerulean tusk]

shift-R is the other roar, Demo shout

[proud plank]

alphabetical binds r the only way to do it

thats a shout

put that bitch on s

[sharp gale]

Shift F is for gnome racial obviously

[cerulean tusk]

s is backpeddal

:Gladge:

[sharp gale]

Backpedal is for cowards

[proud plank]

this isnt a bike discord

we dont pedal

[cerulean tusk]

It is how ya pixelstack mobs

what you on about

[proud plank]

wait..

true...

[cerulean tusk]

You guys were litteraly pouring oil over yourselves

[proud plank]

yea thats my normal sunday

[sharp gale]

Pic or fake

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-minamoto-xd-gif-627758404327754450

[proud plank]

i mean

pixel stacking is for cowards who conform to their dps complaining

😎

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/drinks-i-give-up-forget-it-gif-20642386

[proud plank]

i give up says the one with revenge on shift 3

[mighty valley]

of course they’re giving up their hands hurt from press shift so much

[sharp gale]

Stand up, the ones who have crtl binds, so we can stone you to death

[proud plank]

i have 1 alt bind

alt 1 is ping

[cerulean tusk]

I have 0 hand problems

20 years

My binds are the way

[sharp gale]

Alt thumb+ ring finger is OK

[proud plank]

yea its rlly easy to spam it

[cerulean tusk]

my alt binds are special stuffs, like markers, mounts, heartstones, drums/repairbots

[proud plank]

which i do all the time

:D

my mount is z

[cerulean tusk]

alt-w

[sharp gale]

Yes alt can be weird with others than ring finger keys/ or croched ring finger, so less value stuff

[proud plank]

that makes sense actually

first reasonable bind ive seen from u kitty

[cerulean tusk]

All my binds are perfection

[proud plank]

perfection is in the eye of the beholder

do u wear glasses?

[sharp gale]

I wear and drink glasses

[sharp gale]

What is odyn’s bind ?

Perchance

[cerulean tusk]

The best one, shift-mouse2

[sharp gale]

You love shift

[proud plank]

it is a wonderful button

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/rengoku-gif-21331419

[sick sentinel]

should i ibe taking violent outburst as prot warrior mountain thane

[jagged pier]

yes

[round cliff]

my mouse keys are bound to the f keys so if i use alt as a modifier i accidentally alt + f4

critical oversight but it's too late to change

[round cliff]

hey wait that's MY odyns bind

[cerulean tusk]

Hell yeah!

[round cliff]

i have it on #2 on the mmo mouse keypad

idk if that's what u mean by mouse2

shift + mmo mouse 2

that's the shield charge button for prot tho

[sharp gale]

I have very few alt keys bc I used to hit shift + alt

If you have multiple keyboards set up on windows, alt+shift do the switch

[round cliff]

yea i do

[sharp gale]

It can be awkward to pass from azerty to qwerty mid fight

[round cliff]

it can be more awkward to switch from qwerty to japanese mid fight

[winter marlin]

debating picking wow back up, bought prerelease TWW didn't end up stable enough till s2 to even boot it up, managed to get a warrior priest & shaman to 80

prot warrior still kicking ass? pretty much the only class / spec i see myself picking back up if i do resub

[mellow bridge]

prot is in a great spot

[winter marlin]

good shit, yeah i dinged 80 then put it back down pretty much so starting from heroics ->

[undone beacon]

Prot is in a good spot, yeah! It’s not the meta tank but it’s far from being unplayable

[winter marlin]

right, a good tank is always going to be valued regardless

[obtuse pagoda]

has anyone done the math/science for doing a mastery build/ stat prio as prot as compared to the meta crit/haste build?

[undone beacon]

What math? How much mastery you’d need to be in the same boat as the standard stat prio?

[paper crypt]

At least 3

[pallid quiver]

i mean for starters, dropping crit lower means colossus stops functioning

since you stop being able to reliably get stacks of might for the stats/reducing Demolish CD

[obtuse pagoda]

true didnt think about it that way

[pallid quiver]

But the main "math" is that haste/crit enables the most damage

Defensive wise, all the stats are good and pretty much of equal value for their investment versus benefit

Exactly how much defensively a stat benefits you also entirely depends on damage profiles coming in. If we assume a theoretical scenario where there's literally never a single bit of physical, parriable damage coming in, crit loses tons of defensive value and is almost useless outside of a miniscule increase to leech

Same with mastery losing defensive value if in a theoretical scenario where there's zero blockable abilities, since you can't critically block if you can't block at all

[near salmon]

thanks for the write up Luerce. This is a good read.

[obtuse pagoda]

fair fair. idk just a little bored/ feel stagnant so looking to spice things up

[pallid quiver]

If you want to stack mastery just for some fun, ultimately, feel free to do so is the takeaway

You just might want to swap to Thane based on feels, then, probably, but you should still be able to do anything

Just remember that if haste gets too low to swap ITF into Heavy Rep instead

[obtuse pagoda]

true

thanks for the input!

[undone beacon]

Time to play Slayer Prot, ez

[slim basin]

I missed the search box lol

[obtuse pagoda]

does anyone have a good wa or tracker or anything for juggernaut stacks?

[warm plinth]

Is there any reason to track it? Should refresh just by nature of doing your rotation

[pallid quiver]

It's for before execute phase

[obtuse pagoda]

was just curious more then anything. was comparing my logs to guys that parsed higher and i noticed i need to work on keeping jugg up more and prioritize execute more

[pallid quiver]

You can attempt to game juggernaut uptime by spacing Sudden Death

And also just by being luckier with sudden death

If you're lucky and space properly, you can keep jugg rolling all the way to execute phase, which can make a notable difference in ST raid scenarios

[pallid quiver]

If you're aiming for real high parses, there's a lot of RNG at the immediate moment, since you also can really pop off with tier set procs and SS resets during tier set procs

[obtuse pagoda]

yeah i had the number 240 parse on myth OAB and comparing my dmg to the guys in top 10 the only difference is legit execute dmg

[cerulean tusk]

Everyone should try full crit mastery build, feel the power of being a brick 🧱

[mighty valley]

I think prot warrior can close their eyes and randomly roll stats and feel like a brick wall against auto attacks

[jagged gust]

Anyone have a simc consumable string for testing?

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, cause critblock + parry, is the ultimate brick move.

Mobs brought you to 70% hp? With mastery that would be 85%, with crit 95%

Behold the power of crit/mast!

[jagged gust]

I found one for food at least

[errant wagon]

Hey y'all.
Super niche question, but does anyone know if there is some weird interaction with Spell block + beeswax cast from the Venture Co. Honey Harvester add in Cinderbrew?

I see from both:

• The blockable spreadsheet
• And this Yoda video playing prot warrior (linked at time of showing)

that it's SUPPOSED to be spell blockable. In that video you see spell block up -> he stands in beeswax circle -> does not get CC'ed.

HOWEVER... I went into normal, heroic, and M0 to test it out and it literally is not working for me. Multiple attempts in a row, just does not work I get stunned every time.
I did not try in M+, but that sounds insanely weird for a mechanic to only work in M+.

Is this thing bugged or is there some other magic to get spell block to work on this interaction?

If anyone else is able, maybe give it a try as well? I might need to join like a low M+ key just to try it in M+ I guess

[warm plinth]

He's not preventing the stun because of spell block. He is channeling demolish when it hits, which prevents stuns.

Spell block would only reduce the damage it deals.

[errant wagon]

Oh my god, is that it?!
I assumed if the sheet says the move is spell block able it just means you block the spell in its entirety, i.e, including the stun

I didn't know demolish prevented all CC, I thought it was only movement/push back stuff.

[urban bane]

Nah spell blockable just means the magic damage you can block like you would a weapon swing while spell block is up.

[errant wagon]

Thank you both 🙏

So what are the rules on demolish then, does it actually negate all CC or just certain types?

[warm plinth]

Just stuns and forced movement

[errant wagon]

Stuns is huge to learn. thanks 🙏

[frosty mango]

Warrior tech

We got it

[sharp gale]

I use the fury weakaura as prot for sudden death / sound when 2 stacks and sound when 5 sec left on SD or jug

I should modify it to make it prot / remove the fury slayer part in the WA

[sinful copper]

2 big questions i have:
on dailcry, what cooldown does mud go down to?
does spell block help? heard it doesnt, but lots of the top warriors do it

[junior path]

I have been converting to prot war for chill keys - can one get 100% shieldblock uptime?

[pallid quiver]

The easiest way to go about it is to slap on Heavy Rep and use a standard talent build as a short answer

The long and full answer is yes as long as you are in constant uptime; the requirement is to have 3 of the 4 Shield Block uptime talents on the tree. These talents are:
Enduring Defenses
Heavy Repercussions (or ITF, which is on the same choice node, sorta; for the immediate moment, pretend it's not; it makes the discussion a bit easier to start)
Bolster
Champion's Bulwark

Having three of these gives enough additional uptime when properly sending things like Shield Charge to give you 100% uptime while swinging at people in combat

They work on each other's backs, most notably being Enduring Defenses since it extends the value of any application of Shield Block including Champion's Bulwark, and makes it so you can have full uptime entirely, and that's before we even get into effective uptime, which is just having shield block up for anything you need to block

To go back to the ITF point, you'll see a lot of builds grab ITF. It's because eventually, having too much block uptime just ends up wasted; ITF still contributes by giving haste, which reduces Shield Block's CD, while also giving you the other benefits of haste (most notably, damage).

So once you have enough haste rating to lower Shield Block's CD enough, a lot of people will rock ITF in order to get more damage while still having 100% effective uptime (or close to in practice) rather than 100% full uptime

[jagged gust]

Main damage is a bleed, we dont have much to mitigate it other than flat reduction
Spell block for the aoe from the other dude might be the cause of use. I know Nim posted logs of a kill, can't remember the CD but no higher than 1min, possibly 45sec?

[pallid quiver]

If you ever want a really chill time maintaining shield block uptime, the three talents to grab are Enduring Defenses, Heavy Rep, and Champion's Bulwark

[pallid quiver]

unsure how much that answered your question, but

fuck i accidentally made that ping, i'm sorry i meant to remove the ping to that reply

[junior path]

Yeah i mean that answered alot of it. In my keys i checked details and hovered around the 80-86% without the choice node thats on the ITF choice.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/M9XDGzYQ7rmfnbqk?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=1
I included a log - I dont know whats better I like the Mountain Thane build aswell the Colossus Build

[pallid quiver]

Realistically, you'll be less than 100%; there's play that comes in, ping, you just accidentally turning your back, etc

The most useful metric to check is your hits blocked metric, which you can see in logs, actually

Under the damage taken tab, while looking at yourself, you can hover over the hits column for the "Melee" ability

It'll show you this bar here

Since it'll show you what you just blocked as a whole; you can also use this to see if you're taking hits to the back, so you're not controlling where mobs are standing well enough for example, or to see if you're sending shield block when you're actually being hit

For example,

That source aura filter tab you can turn on like I did, showing only things that happened while shield block was active

So you took 86 hits to the back, since those were unblocked while you had 100% block chance

[frosty wave]

Hello i'm new to prot warrior and having a blast on Thane build
I'm having a lot of trouble to predict busters and manage defensive CD, do you have any advice or macro or something that could help me on that ?

[junior path]

Thanks thats all super helpful. Is there a weakaura reminder for Spellblock I seem to just cycle it randomly whenever I realize this is a button on my bar. I am looking for something like the spellreflect weakaura.

[frosty wave]

https://wago.io/puwBl9sbJ

[junior path]

Thank you

[rain dagger]

Hello, new prot warrior here. Is there any reason why battle scarred veteran isn't taken for m+? is it a bad talent?

[jagged pier]

depends on what lvl u play at how competent u are etc etc, but its got it uses in very high keys, the key too rember tho is it doesnt really do what it says on the tin its not a cheat death, u can die with the buff up (albeit unlikely) and because of how it actually works it does proc alot when u are at high hp values

so its not the best it should really be higher up our tree if anything

but if u want to use it u can

[sharp merlin]

What would be the biggest cause for Shield Block not being available and Shield Charge also not being available and my current SB is not on?

Is it because I pressed SB end of the last pull when I shouldn't have?

[severe wadi]

would you recommend dropping imdomitable for BSV?

[jagged pier]

i would recmmend dropping BSV for battering ram or ravager first

but u can

[severe wadi]

well ive got imdomitable atm but didnt know if BSV was a better choice (i dont take battering ram anyway) but do take ravager

so i look like this atm

[sharp merlin]

It depends on which Dungeon

I personally take BSV for every dungeon

[severe wadi]

would i miss the healing from indom?

[sharp merlin]

I don't take Show of Force, I take the talents either side more often, like Disrupting Shout or Thunderlord

I have some builds for example:

• I find switching from Brutal Vitality -> Fueled by Violence better (This is a hot topic)
• Heavy Magic Dmg dungeon, like Flood / Priory: I will take Fight Through the Flames
• Heavy AOE Caster Pack: I will take Disrupting Shout
• I do take Thunderlord, it brings down Demoralising shout, which is an awesome -20% dmg taken on CDR

Ravager is awesome, in dungeons which have big packs, and you need something to help you gather, I would say Dungeons like Rookery and ToP, which don't require too much survivability, to be excellent for that

You need to find what works for you, don't take the WoWhead build

[severe wadi]

i did look at FBV but it sounds like u need big pulls to make it work

could you link one of your binds as a screeny so i can take a look though

[sharp merlin]

If you're playing Colossus, where Ignore Pain isn't as important as Shield Block, I would take FBV

I'm not an expert btw, I'm only going through my feels, and I'm playing at a way lower level than everyone else, as in I'm just timing 15's (but I play solo atm)

I think Tanks are in a cool spot, especially Prot warrior where you're not restrained to one build. For example. I really like Champion Spear on DFC, because in the first couple of pulls, the big adds knock the little ones away, and a well time Champ Spear keeps them all gripped together to help DPS pixel stack em

[jagged pier]

or u just shockwave

[sharp merlin]

you can shockwave the big guy?

[jagged pier]

well as with colossus shockwave becomes a knock up

if the mobs are in the air they dont get knecked back

[sharp merlin]

TIL! That's awesome to know

[jagged pier]

from what ppl have said

[sharp merlin]

I didn't know that's what you could negate Wild Wallop with that, good to know, thank you!! 😄

Also on Cinderbrew, I will take Bloodsurge, to help with the bleeds

[orchid frigate]

probably very hard to tell without logs or more concrete info, but im gonna take a chance and ask anyways 🙂

in cinderbrew (start) after clearing on the right side, i charged in into the left side and got almost insta gibbed by something. anyone that knows what that could have been?

[jagged pier]

u probably still have bleed stacks

[orchid frigate]

ah ok. will check that next time. thanks!

[crimson river]

Would you boys value ritual of mud over light devotion if you already have seaforium pacemaker?

[jagged pier]

nope

[crimson river]

Thanks

I guess ritual of mud is only for a few keys, that's heavy on tanks?

[jagged pier]

only good for us in flood and priory

if u want a defesnive trinket bombsuit it better pretty much every wehre else including places in those dungeons

[crimson river]

But I can't get myth track bombsuit

Which is unfortunate

[jagged pier]

yer

hc on eis better

[crimson river]

Wait really?

[jagged pier]

in most places compared to mud for prot, yes

[crimson river]

Is it because even though the absorb is lower it lasts longer due to it making 25% damage go through?

[jagged pier]

well it gives a better stats and reduces the damage so the shield will last much longer

[sharp merlin]

Can you switch trinkets during a dungeon?

[jagged pier]

no

[sharp merlin]

I only use Mud for Dailcry and Big Momma

otherwise I find the Bombsuit is good enough, and only if I overly pressed Wall 😄 ahaha

[hearty kettle]

Smb here who can help me with Extra Action button for candle in DFC?

[sweet summit]

what's wrong with it?

[crimson river]

Holy shit man light devotion feels bad as prot

They never parry, so you reach 50 stacks instantly

[jolly bough]

?? My trinket is ready to swap every time. Im probably at 98% uptime on radiance

[jagged pier]

someones got low hit or being hit in the back

[jolly bough]

If your talking about last boss candle, just go into keybindings and bind a key for the interact command.

[crimson river]

@jolly bough Actually no shot

What's your parry?

[frosty mango]

Uh that’s def not true

I have like 45% parry

And I rarely encounter it being overcome unless I pull huge amounts

[crimson river]

How the fuck you got 45%

That's nutty

[jolly bough]

No idea what my parry is. Im not doin mdi pulls tho. Maybe thats why? Dunno

[crimson river]

But still, even in rookery where pulls are sort of small I get the issue of it not being up

I guess the dwarfs have increased AS, but still

Don't we only get parry from our crit?

Or am I drunk?

[frosty mango]

I’m super geared but still even at like 670 you should not have low parry

30% ish

[crimson river]

Yeah around 30

But 45 is like

Way too much

Crit would be such a bad stat at that point

Compared to other stats

[frosty mango]

It’s not

Traditional gearing has vers being ahead at bis levels and that’s true

[jolly bough]

Im at 26% crit according to armory, whatev that tanslates to

[warm plinth]

Crit is 5% base (iirc) and then 700 rating per % before DR kicks in

[crimson river]

You want crit from your lights devotion?

[jolly bough]

Yes more damage!

[warm plinth]

Of course. Because it's the offensive part

[jagged pier]

well theres some bosses where the magic reduction is good

[crimson river]

Armor also gives us damage no?

[jagged pier]

but mostly the crit damage proc is better

its negative damage compared to the proc and crit

[pallid quiver]

The damage proc is a good portion of the main damage from tome

That combined with the crit is a lot

[jagged pier]

probably less damage than just the regular crit rating it gives

[jolly bough]

5.8% of my overall is tome dmg just the dmg proc

[sweet summit]

and strength

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure people realize how batshit strong tome is. It’s giving you 3k natty crit and close to 6k on proc, plus a damage proc which is actually pretty big. Put on top of that the defensive parry value you get from the crit and there isn’t really anything remotely close when we’re talking value per item slot

The only trinket even remotely close to it for offensive output is house of cards and that’s only if you’re considering pure burst damage

[jagged pier]

well kezans is actually better

after 6 minutes

[frosty mango]

Maybe technically

Not functionally (in keys)

But you could use kezan with tome in that scenario where you make your shaman healer cry

I’ve tried kezan shenanigans, it feels gross

Give us anvil back plz

[warm plinth]

Doesn't Kezan expire in like 5 seconds after dropping combat

[jagged pier]

nah its longer than that

[frosty mango]

It’s not hard to keep it up as the tank

It just largely keeps your group in combat too so you’re trolling your rogues and sham healers

Can’t really do it in top

[jagged pier]

second class citizens if u ask me

[frosty mango]

“Imagine needing to drink”

Rsham kinda down bad right now

[pallid quiver]

tell them to stop raw casting chain heal

[frosty mango]

I can vomit 4m hps on my monk and priest and end the fight at 100% mana but sham is like dying of thirst

[frosty mango]

I don’t have an rsham I just know 99% of them always have my cell frame flashing for sub 20% mana

[pallid quiver]

it's because they're raw casting chain heal

It's by far the most mana negative spell in like, the game right now

[frosty mango]

When I’m healing I mana tea my way to victory while doing a million dps

If people are dying I press chi Ji

[pallid quiver]

And people think you need to raw press it for R Sham healing because Totemic build for chain heal

[frosty mango]

Red bird make problem go away

[pallid quiver]

but it gets automatically cast when you send any water totem

and you don't need to press it if you can just healing surge the two people hurt before they get hit again

[frosty mango]

So you can just spam healing stream totem

[pallid quiver]

even healing tide pops a chain heal down

[frosty mango]

Yep I’ll stick to mistweaver

[crimson river]

Idk man, I've been playing my vengeance where the stacks falling off is never an issue, and then playing my prot with 25% parry is just nowhere near enough, it keeps falling off

Maybe aside from DFC or Cinderbrew

[frosty mango]

Do you have a log? Yes sometimes it will flip over to shield but rarely for more than a few seconds before you can send it back

[crimson river]

I can upload one

From the rookery I just did

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XJtn2WLRBvZgGfwh?fight=last&type=auras&sourceclass=Any

[jagged pier]

u were in swords for 82% of the time

[crimson river]

In rookery

This will be much lower in a dungeon where you have a lot of small adds

[jagged pier]

i dunno just checked all of mine my lowest is 80% in cinder brew

81% in another

then 88+ in all the rest

[frosty mango]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CYLB1c7VDwpWag4m?fight=18&type=auras

Here’s a 12 carry I did the other day

It was up 90%

My last logged cinder was a month ago but it was 88%

For what it’s worth you could get significantly more damage out of your spec at that key range - it looks like you’re playing the build you’d use in like a 20

[crimson river]

Yeah, I'm just trying to learn the spec still

[sharp merlin]

you beat the Enhance shaman

[sharp merlin]

but this is only on the sword side, right?
Do you ever switch it for the magic absorb?

[frosty mango]

No, not really, the keys where it would be useful at a high level I am usually wearing bombsuit or mud

Floodgate it can be very nice on the overcharged big guys towards the end but I generally run mud there

[sharp merlin]

So you swap out tome for Seaforium?

[frosty mango]

In rookery the double aoe pulse guy stack it can be nice if you have a monk healer

[frosty mango]

I run pacemaker + mud/bomb

[sharp merlin]

yeah that's what I run atm

[frosty mango]

Or pace + tome

[sharp merlin]

but if I was just doing weekly 12

just smash out Tome / Pace?

[frosty mango]

I run them up to like 15/16

[sharp merlin]

makes sense

[frosty mango]

I’ve dropped mud for priory

[sharp merlin]

yeah I'm on 15's atm

[frosty mango]

Have enough cdr to cover dailcry at 683

I’m on 16/17

[sharp merlin]

I'm only 678, and can't go any higher

cause I only have 1 Myth piece, (started the Warrior late)

[frosty mango]

You can easily pug the first four of mythic raid if you aren’t myth raiding

They have like zero tank mechanics

[sharp merlin]

ah for the ring?

[frosty mango]

He was using an int offhand weapon and was like 640 if I didn’t outdps him that would be embarrassing lol

[frosty mango]

Yeah but also cloak, you can catalyst the vexie helm

[sharp merlin]

yeah I saw his ilvl and immediately feel bad

[frosty mango]

I just need the mech cloak from vault and I’ll be full true bis

[sick sentinel]

why cant prot warrior do higher end keys like demonhunter

prot warrior do higher dps and better damage mitigation

although vengeance dh get full heal every 30 seconds with fel devastation

[frosty mango]

It can and does

[sick sentinel]

ya but when i look on raaiderio dh tank is way higherrepresented

take a look bro

[frosty mango]

Well yea that’s because everyone is playing demon hunter