protection

[lusty grotto]

what dispel do you need so badly?

heal? use an algari healing pot

[heavy sparrow]

Yeah

Sudden death procs give 40 executes for fwee
+40 rage spend for VO
-4 seconds shield wall
-4 seconds avatar

[frosty mango]

bro

please

continue on this path

[cerulean tusk]

Explain how that works, Mc

[frosty mango]

because I see what you're doing and I am here for it

[lusty grotto]

he means SD contributes to AM

but the fact is

[cerulean tusk]

I asked him to

Not you

[lusty grotto]

he's not stacking Colossal Might

hes losing dps without jugg

[cerulean tusk]

Shhh

Bad rat

[heavy sparrow]

Oui. Non-dwarf

[lusty grotto]

first off

SD does NOT contribute to AM

so youre 100% wrong there

same way free revenges do not contribute to AM

[cerulean tusk]

He couldn't hold it anymore, eh

[lusty grotto]

i had to

cause he wasnt explaining

[heavy sparrow]

No no I prefer it actually though

[lusty grotto]

i gave him enough time

[heavy sparrow]

We're tanks

We can take the hits

Just helping me be a better prot here

[lusty grotto]

and its not contributing to VO either

im actually gaslighting myself on the VO one, cause now im not 100% sure

[cerulean tusk]

Thing is, we don't know what your thoughts are and why you do what you do, without you telling us.

We can always say: follow the guide, read it.

But wouldn't guarantee that you learned something. This way it is more likely we dispell misconceptions

[lusty grotto]

but im 100% sure they dont contribute to AM

[cerulean tusk]

Nim will tear you down, I will build you up

[heavy sparrow]

It should be though

[frosty mango]

@heavy sparrow focus less on your build, more on getting your gcds in

[idle copper]

We are supposed to jump out on candle boss?

[lusty grotto]

if it doesnt contribute to AM, why would it contribute to VO

that makes no logical sense, but its blizzard so...

[frosty mango]

as dps yes as tank no, you wont get it

[cerulean tusk]

As tank? No never

[frosty mango]

unless everyone is dead

[idle copper]

Cool just skim read something higher up and thought I was being lazy

[lusty grotto]

i just do it to help out if i notice people arent grabbing or have a candle prepped for aoe - but its not expected

[cerulean tusk]

Deals dam as if, but it doesn't spend any

[heavy sparrow]

Yeah you're right, deals damage as if

Maybe I'm gaslighting myself here too

[cerulean tusk]

I do the same all the time

Why we need the rat

[lusty grotto]

im having fun in my vacation away from WoW until tomorrow's raid

and now i need to confirm

i was baiting the fucking sand worm

to pull some shit on friends

my plan was perfect

[cerulean tusk]

Takes a vacation from WoW, lives and breathes Skyhold #protection

[lusty grotto]

the sand worm didnt even get close or eat me or anything

all for a good cause cat

alright lets take a look at VO

[heavy sparrow]

Well TBD on sudden death with AO & AM cause I might've placeboed the 14 then

[lusty grotto]

with SD

[jagged gust]

I mean, we figured demolish wasn't contributing to BV a few weeks ago, you never know for sure until ya test

[frosty mango]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/Frh34v91Kkc6aZjB/N8YVgPmRzWLZhxCv?fight=38&type=damage-done&source=1673%2C2 my man you are placeboing your entire existence

[lusty grotto]

yeah but im pretty sure we had it set in stone free abilities didnt contribute to VO

but there was one... if i recall correctly, that did

i just cant remember which

[frosty mango]

talents aside you will see far more gain by using the recommended talents and focusing on play

than trying to cook up builds to contribute some specific thing

[lusty grotto]

nope

[frosty mango]

but you're also sending nim and I think it's hilarious so I'm torn

[lusty grotto]

SD does not contribute to VO

[dusky canopy]

If you stop trying to play with your fingers and instead play with your forehead you’ll see better results

Trust

[jagged gust]

But there's a big hole in the middle of my head

[dusky canopy]

Sir

That is a dent

[heavy sparrow]

Thanks dude this actually means a lot

[sharp gale]

Our free procs not contributing to AM or outburst tilts me

[heavy sparrow]

Straight up not trolling ngl

[lusty grotto]

it generates no seeing red stacks

[sharp gale]

Like free revenge

[lusty grotto]

yeah free revenge does not contribute at all

[sharp gale]

The more crit you have, less outburst and AM I guess

[frosty mango]

Instructions unclear dps now zero

[dusky canopy]

Amazing response!

[lusty grotto]

yeah so neither SD and free revenge contribute to VO or AM, this is an official mouse confirmation

back to dune i go

[heavy sparrow]

Pin it daddy

[sharp merlin]

The two big lads before final boss Flood, am I just praying to god DPS down them quick? Even with Mud it hurts 😂

[frosty mango]

spellblock and spellrefect both work on it

use them liberally

[sharp gale]

You will have to tell me if it’s a good game,you play public server or private only friends ?

[frosty mango]

mark one as skull and tell people to focus one

[sharp merlin]

Yeah might do this!

[lusty grotto]

public server

[sharp merlin]

Cause once one goes down it’s easy, but both up is awful

[lusty grotto]

we're doing the funcom intended way, maybe we'll move to privates after

[sharp gale]

Yeah it is fun at first when ppl are not sweaty

[solid sun]

I’m on a public server also

[sharp gale]

Conan launch was banger bc that

[lusty grotto]

most people are on public servers

[solid sun]

Managed to get on the correct layer with my friends

[lusty grotto]

people are already sweaty, trust

[heavy sparrow]

Not all man I got 14s done because of everyone here

[solid sun]

The drive from the first zone to the second zone was so intense lmao.

[lusty grotto]

lol

i had to do that 3 times cause my dumb fucking brother fell asleep playing

moving random shit

that we probably wont need

[solid sun]

Hahahahahahha

[lusty grotto]

but to be fair, i did that twice in beta anyway

[solid sun]

My first base was just a little shack so I loaded up my bike with what I needed and peaced out

[lusty grotto]

we have a friend thats probably doing that soon, so im baiting worms around him

for science

[solid sun]

Made it just barely into the dunes and a worm erupts out of the sand just to my right. Was a panic ride the whole rest of the way

[lusty grotto]

lmao

we had a guy last night i think that had the worm literally spawn next to him

and he just stood still and the worm went away

i think he was coming out of the deep desert or something

[solid sun]

lol nice

[heavy sparrow]

@frosty mango thanks for the vexie boss comparison, guy

[frosty mango]

more shield sla

more execute

more demolish

[heavy sparrow]

Much more

[frosty mango]

more more more

[heavy sparrow]

Yeah no kidding

677 & 681 isn't a sizeable difference it's a clear skill issue there so I can't even hide behind that

[cunning tide]

Hi, new to the DC. Tried searching here and on wowhead, but seeing conflicting advice.

Just hit Res 12, so can use my 2 tokens from the catch up on 2xM+trinkets.

Is there an ideal combo to take?

[heavy sparrow]

Tome & pacemaker

[cunning tide]

I've seen a lot about Mud tho?

[frosty mango]

no real value in 12s

[heavy sparrow]

I agree

[cunning tide]

What about for higher keys? My friends play around 16-18, what combo would be better for nearer that level?

[heavy sparrow]

2nd mythic season and I'm here to learn

[frosty mango]

going to depend on the key, typically you would run pacemaker + tome, for some keys you might run pace + mud (flood, priory) and some you might run pace + bombsuit

[lusty grotto]

here you go

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

[frosty mango]

the choice of bombsuit over tome will really come down to how comfortable your healer is

[cunning tide]

Oki. Thank you very much 🙂

[lusty grotto]

farm a mud for 16+ floodgate and priory

a hero one will suffice, do not buy it, and do not pick it from vault

pace + defensive trinket (mud for those 2 dungeons 16+, and bomb suit for the others)

pace + tome otherwise

[cunning tide]

Perfect, thanks. Already got the hero Mud

[sharp gale]

So changing it to myth track is even less useful

Since you already got it

[lusty grotto]

right

and its only good for 2 dungeons and only if high key level

[cunning tide]

Brilliant advice guys. Thank you

[frosty mango]

unless you are a mud evangelist

like me

[lusty grotto]

[sharp gale]

It is the cdr reduction on dot the attractive effect of mud, having idk how much more shield bc ilvl, Im sure it is not the thing

[lusty grotto]

youre required to be a Felscarred VDH to be an evangelist sorry, i'm going to have to give you a yellow card Roid

[frosty mango]

for me its the feeling of smooth mud on my skin

I go out of my way to find dots

so I can feel it more

[sharp gale]

Mud for the Mud god

[lusty grotto]

where bloodborne 2

fucking sony

[sharp gale]

The Mudeater in Elden ring

[lusty grotto]

[sharp gale]

Never

[lusty grotto]

WHERE SONY

[sharp gale]

Sony will put another studio in the job anyway

[lusty grotto]

hmmmm... they dont have a crazy track record

santa monica is still around

and dropping god of war bangers

plus they dont own fromsoft, they just have a big stake

but they do own the IP sadly

[sharp gale]

Yeah I’m just unsure FromSoft rly want to do Bloodborne on pc in the first place, so less for a sequel

[lusty grotto]

they havent said no

they've just said that they cant until sony agrees to it

[sharp gale]

Im pretty sure I heard them say they also just prefer to do new things ( it was before Elden ring/mecha game, so maybe they changed their mind)

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats fine

we need more sekiros

c:

[sharp gale]

I don’t like parry games, so sekiro is not for me

[lusty grotto]

but you parry in bloodborne

[sharp gale]

I roll

[lusty grotto]

in fact in every single one of their games

[sharp gale]

Or is it dodge ?

[lusty grotto]

well i do love parry

[sharp gale]

I don’t remember Bloodborne much it’s been a billion years

[mighty valley]

sekiro parry is so different, it's a constant rhythm game rather than reaction game

[patent scroll]

You think so, then you grind Sekiro until you get in the zone, and then it becomes the best souls game mechanically

[lusty grotto]

bloodborne parries are just gun shots

which is fine

[sharp gale]

I remember you don’t roll like souls in Bloodborne

[lusty grotto]

but i do play dex/parry builds in most souls games anyway

ehhh it depends you do roll, but there's blades of mercy

[sharp gale]

But you can dodge with the bb « roll » button in my mind

[sharp gale]

I used the scythe in my first run of Elden ring

And in ds3 it was the frost sword you find on a random mob in the way in a dark room, pretty early if I member

I giga nerfed myself using that fucking scythe since it does holy damage

[lusty grotto]

i abused bloodhound step before it was nerfed

in elden ring

[sharp gale]

Also : I don’t use weapons special attacks

Just light and heavy hits / jump attacks

[lusty grotto]

well i did

golden parry is chefskiss

[patent scroll]

[lusty grotto]

no reason not to use them

[patent scroll]

Well, can't really talk of abuse, I usually do self restrictive runs so

[sharp gale]

I prefer to tuned myself the difficulty in Elden ring

[lusty grotto]

i mean it wasnt an abuse thing, it was just OP

i still ran bloodhound after the nerfs

way too many iframes man

[patent scroll]

Well I mean pre nerf it was fucking dumb

[lusty grotto]

100%

[patent scroll]

You could have like idk 80% iframes

By just spamming a button

[lusty grotto]

yeah agreed

[sharp gale]

I introduced me friend to souls with Elden ring, he 1 tried consort radahn with bloodhound

[lusty grotto]

lol i mean

[sharp gale]

And mimic ofc

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

[north bramble]

I have cyrce's and a 658 ring, how do I know which one droptimizer is telling me to upgrade?

[lusty grotto]

it says ring 1 and ring 2

so you know based on what your gear is at the top

leftmost ring = ring 1

[north bramble]

Oh okay thank you I'll have to look when I get home just randomly though of the question haha

[sharp gale]

He told me I was right, he ruined half end of his game with mimic, I TOLD HIM

[lusty grotto]

mimic wasnt the strongest summon though

[patent scroll]

Yeah you're obviously free to play the game however you want, but I can never bring myself to using stuff like Bloodhound or Comet Azur prenerf

[lusty grotto]

not even close mimic was the strongest

tiche holds that title

or held

i think she was nerfed

[sharp gale]

Idk any player npc summons makes fights way easier

[lusty grotto]

tiche, tiche did

[sharp gale]

Even dungeater

[lusty grotto]

but regardless, by the time you get tiche, youre way late into the game

but i could be misremembering

[patent scroll]

The only NPC you must summon is Igon

[sharp gale]

But he listened to me at least on : don’t look anything online before finishing once the game

[lusty grotto]

eh its a huge game, there's really no shame in looking shit up

its not a dark souls

[sharp gale]

It is not shame I’m preventing

Ruining exploration/discovery is ruining part of the game

[lusty grotto]

oh sure

[sharp gale]

And since he streamed on discord his run when he was rly hard stuck, I told him « did you look your items description » or very very light guidance, you maybe know what I mean

Or when he really wanted to do a quest I told him to look in a region, not saying the location

[small steeple]

Bloodhounds fang had nothing on pre nerf Rivers of Blood

[lusty grotto]

kinda true

[small steeple]

Only comet azure and that one legendary 1h sword, which I can’t remember the name of lol rivaled Rivers of blood

Like obscenely op

[sharp gale]

But rivers of blood is like, just before you finish the game no ?

[small steeple]

You get it near start of mountains

[patent scroll]

Rivers and Moonveil spammers

[small steeple]

So late game

[warm plinth]

Read this as bloodhound gang

Not mad

[sharp gale]

What’s up mammals

[small steeple]

It might have said that at first…

Thanks autocorrect

[warm plinth]

Lmao

[small steeple]

Never liked moonveil. Alright in pvp but never really got me excited in pve

[patent scroll]

Well yeah because spamming that or RoB in PvE is like the most boring way you could play

So understandable

[sharp gale]

I played holy scythe, ranni great sword in second run, double giant crushers in 3rd and after I don’t remember, maybe double ranni swords

[small steeple]

Well but RoB was insane in pve, I don’t remember moonveil actually being that great in it?

[small steeple]

I ran most of the Halberds and spears/great spears at some point

Also hammers 🙂‍↕️

[sharp gale]

They nerfed the speed of the move on moonveil bc ppl couldn’t dodge it in the first weeks

[nocturne spindle]

i had moonveil cause i did double katana build

later i found out everyone hated it

smh

[lusty grotto]

oh right i remember the moonveil shit

[sharp gale]

If you launched the special attack close enough, it was so fast you 100% hit

[small steeple]

My favorite weapon my first play through was the Death bird spear or whatever

[sharp gale]

My fav wep are scythes but there are almost none, and the one I used, bosses are 40% resistant to holy damage

[nocturne spindle]

meteoric blade moonveil dual wield

no armor blue dancer build

zoom zoom

( i got fucking branded by the 3 fingers since i didnt wear armor so i didnt get the warning)

stupid ass fingers

[small steeple]

i really need to get around to the DLC. Just haven't gotten around to it, cause I know I would want to make a new character and I would basically 100% ng before going into the dlc lol

[sharp gale]

That’s what I did

[lusty grotto]

eh i just did SotE with my ng8

[sharp gale]

For the dlc, after I just downloaded saves

[lusty grotto]

it wasnt that bad

i was already 100% on the base game

[small steeple]

I just don't want to make it too easy by coming in on my SL350 character thats onm like ng+12 from 100%ing the game

[sharp gale]

Lvl don’t matter in the dlc

[lusty grotto]

trust its not THAT bad

early game will be the toughest iirc

[sharp gale]

You have a specific dlc thing to do, beside lvl

[lusty grotto]

melania still is the hardest boss, consort and snakeyboy are pushovers

[sharp gale]

Is it rly easy now ?

[lusty grotto]

was he nerfed?

hmm i wouldnt know

🤷‍♂️

[small steeple]

pre-nerf Radahn was so much fun. The fight is so easy now 😦

As a big souls fan, I had that fight up there with the Nameless King

[sharp gale]

Yes caelid Radhan is one of my favorite fight of Elden ring, I died so many times tho

[small steeple]

why are you specifying Caelid Radahn? Is that just the french name?

[lusty grotto]

ehhhh

happy

[sharp gale]

Idk his English name

[small steeple]

Starscourge Radahn

or just radahn

[lusty grotto]

well im going to be amazed if hes spoiler free, but care

[small steeple]

yeah no dlc spoiler, so if this is broaching that please don't

[sharp gale]

Oh yeah

[lusty grotto]

im gonna have to ask for your secret

my google feed alone spoils shit for me all the time

[small steeple]

literally haven't seen or watch anything from the dlc

[lusty grotto]

well not google's fault, but clickbaity sites

[small steeple]

I just avoided anything that had elden ring or the dlc name

[lusty grotto]

good shit

[small steeple]

Been going strong for what? a year now

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats kind of amazing

[sharp gale]

Voilà, I deleted my messages

For me it’s chainsaw man I need to actively protect myself from spoilers, since I get chainsaw man content on apps

Or sakamoto days rn

[cerulean tusk]

So, what happens next is ||chainsawman got a chainsaw, that saws through many things. What cant a chainsawman saw, saw what saw saw. Saw. Man.||

[sharp gale]

||OF will still be bad next season||

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/alone-cry-angry-gif-25912768

[compact oriole]

My Sim said to take reverb radio trinket well over myth book lmao

[lusty grotto]

are you simming with the pinned APL

[sharp gale]

It is the the base apl now

[lusty grotto]

probably simming 5 targets then

[sharp gale]

Yes it is definitely a general sim setting issue imo, like non-upgraded tome, fight profile etc

[small steeple]

oh is it? nicce

[compact oriole]

simming droptimizer for dinar an with 1 target an it still said radio over book

[frosty mango]

It is, they added it last week for all tank specs

[lusty grotto]

link sim

[compact oriole]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fa4a5dnA8Z7Kjcetm5yX7J

reran it an book is ahead of radio now

[lusty grotto]

as it should be

also why are you still running ascendance weapon

[compact oriole]

havent gotten a one hander in vault

[lusty grotto]

so?

craft cloak, put dusk/dawn on it

remove ascendance from weapon

[compact oriole]

ok

[lusty grotto]

the important part of weapon is the ilvl, not the embelish

for weapon damage into AP

viscera, sigil are simbaits

fyi

remnant could be as well

[dusky canopy]

Where spellpower

Smh

[urban portal]

vicera is op because its a tank trinket that does damage of dps trinkets

on st

[frosty mango]

Isn’t viscera dunked on by delve trinkets

I tried it and it never seemed to perform at the level which it sims

[lusty grotto]

its bait cause the tank nerf is applied

and its pure ST

[lusty grotto]

this is incorrect

that was fixed a while ago

[small steeple]

uh no, that was nerfed and had tank tax applied in like, week 2 or even 3

[urban portal]

ah

i completely forgot

my bad

[jaunty canopy]

anyone know the correct way to tell a raidbot sim to change how it uses a certain ability, long time ago i changed the aoe rotation a bit to test something for fun and for the life of me i cant remember how i did it lol.

Right now id like to tell it to straight up not use a certain ability, or change so it only uses if its like 20 targets or something ( so it just doesnt use it)

[lusty grotto]

youd have to edit the APL

but ours is pretty correct

are you looking to modify another class?

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/tree/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/default

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/default/warrior_protection.simc

copy that into your favorite txt editor or vscode, edit it, and paste it custom APL in raidbots

again, our APL is 100% correct

so there's no reason to edit it

"for fun" is fine though

[jaunty canopy]

yeah, i know i have to edit the apl just dont remember how i did it xD. Its for my shaman alt, I just want it not use ascendance. so i can get a feel for what gear/stats it says is best when your not in a cd window. Prob doesnt mater much at all but i just like to tinker with things. There isnt really a good way to sim m+ as a whole so i usually just sim aoe/sustian aoe/single target and take what works best overall for what id like. But with a 3 min class your sitting out of cds for a long time so it got me curious is all

[lusty grotto]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/default/shaman_enhancement.simc this is the enhancement shaman one

just copy paste it into Raidbots custom APL field and edit it

or just use a text editor in between

[jaunty canopy]

Thank you so much for linking me stuff to look over 🙂 huge help ❤️

[lusty grotto]

no probs

[jaunty canopy]

This is the part I forgot, heh, I was just typing in the one line i wanted it to follow, not the whole thing xD didnt even think to copy the whole thing, oops. Thanks again

[lusty grotto]

[dawn iris]

should i care about mastery % ? its 20%

[mighty valley]

all things equal it's our worst stat but you don't really need to think hard about it

ilvl is basically always good

[warm plinth]

Worst doesn't mean trash btw. Just relatively not as good as the others

Oh that was like an hour ago lol

[frosty mango]

as long as you have enough haste

to keep up block with ITF (16-18k)

all secondaries are good secondaries

[cerulean tusk]

Technically speaking, you could just go HR, go heavy mast/crit.

Did it during S1, you do become a brick that no auto attack can scratch

Not recommended, isn't as fun. But, it do get job done weirdly enough. I also never felt tankier from a DTPS perspective

[frosty mango]

wouldnt you technically be tankier if you did haste/mast

because youd maintain 100% uptime and you could talent into non-dps talents and mast would drive crit block

[cerulean tusk]

Perhaps, but few things make autos do less than not taking the dam at all.

[mighty valley]

Like parrying 🤔

oh you said mast crit

carry on

[novel temple]

I looked at the pins and saw nothing for the new belt, how does it look for prot?

[ionic fern]

This is with the default profile and 700 ilvl belt on ST.

[novel temple]

Was this on raidbots?

Also, thank you

[ionic fern]

Wdym was this on raidbots?

I simmed it using raidbots,yes

[lusty grotto]

[novel temple]

I didn’t know it was already on raidbots so I was just confirming

[ionic fern]

Well,they just changed the effects 8h ago

Guess I gotta resim.

[novel temple]

Which is fine, I just was curious about the general idea and feeling

[ionic fern]

With the changes.

And 6t 1.5m

[ionic nimbus]

Huge Belt !

https://tenor.com/view/katena-sarcasm-tbv-sarcasm-eyeglasses-gif-16424238

[round cliff]

hank hill fortnite??

who's trying to drop $20 to hank stack w me

[mild river]

I suppose that the proc damage scales with DH magic debuff, right? Which makes them even more meta? 😜

[round cliff]

yoooo the belt is ilvl 701 now?

we're getting back up to legion ilvls gamers

slowly but surely

[mild river]

Lol

[ionic fern]

No idea.

[idle copper]

I'm going to be pugging my own 15 Brewery.
Not an instance I run that often so will go through a couple of 12s first.
Ignoring the variables of pugs which classes bring best value to a brewery please

[sharp merlin]

I love an Unholy - makes life easy

[tardy juniper]

Fury warrior is the meta dps spec for keys

[sinful copper]

Wait how do u get the rainbow name

[sinful copper]

Disc priest is nice for some soothe. WW or any evoker can do the double hopgoblin skip

Arcane mage is nice for funnel. Just need a route to pull around them, usually start with triple muscle then pull rest of room one pack at a time into boss after chewie dead

[sharp merlin]

As many as three you say

Do you take the taster as well?

This? I can see my Healer being like that Kung Fu Panda scene where Oogway is like: "My time has come" and disappears 😂

[round pendant]

yeah I've seen that pull

[sharp merlin]

I'll try it, I think I'll be hitting IP pretty much every other Global 😄

[lime urchin]

IP is not on the GCD, or is it?

[sharp merlin]

I get screamed at for bringing in packs during Chewie, which I think is stupid

[sharp merlin]

It's not, just making a point where my buttons are gonna be mashed

[lime urchin]

Oh sorry

[round pendant]

It's not necessary at all to do triple muscle in high keys though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_0fHBoxuwA

[strong fox]

Triple muscle is banned in my pugs. Way too much reliance on the healer and dps actually pressing their buttons.

Also have seen to many pulls where all the trash is dead with just the muscles still alive

[round pendant]

invite those funnel specs

[short ivy]

do you have the string for the belt sims?

or i guess can you send me it 🤣

[remote dawn]

is mountain thane a option for us?

[sharp merlin]

I'm more scared of the bleeds tbh

[round pendant]

Yes it's completely viable

just be aware you do like 20% less aoe damage

[round pendant]

just don't die

[sharp merlin]

hahaha can't remember the last time I did tbh

but still repairs are spenny

[cinder pasture]

Just be a blacksmith, free repairs with enough knowledge points

[sharp merlin]

It's the KP, it's a grind 😄

[idle copper]

Not gonna lie that looks scary

Is there a way of pinning messages in here - so I can find them later?

[warm plinth]

Reply to them (turn off the ping) and ping yourself. Then later you can just look at your mention notifications

[patent scroll]

Could also just copy the message links to somewhere else

[idle copper]

Ty

[idle copper]

@síx

[south anvil]

anyway to not have mythic gally running around on tank swap?

[jagged pier]

Yer taunt as the cast finishes

/if he does run, u run instantly in the other direction

And he'll notice hes out of range so will run back

[warm plinth]

Morning Jakeyqt

[jagged pier]

Afternoon

[south anvil]

also anyone know why the bombs sometimes pop all the way to boss then sometimes they do a line?

[covert helm]

They clump up on the boss if the boss doesn't have line of sight of the bomb blast target

[south anvil]

does the middle count as LOS then?

or is a range thing

[frosty mango]

#protection message

Also a video of it being done here

[south anvil]

Thanks

[fair sonnet]

Hi, I was wondering if someone here could have a look at this log and give some pointers about what I should be improving on this char.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6nZFjywchDkdHgpQ?fight=5&type=summary
It's a 9 priory. I think I am underusing my defensives, especially shield wall and spell block, and I might be casting too much IP and too little revenge. Some of the misplay (aggro deaths for instance) is often because I am just a lot less familiar with the class so everything feels like it takes up a lot more mental bandwidth than on my main, and practicing should help with that.
I also noticed that my damage is very very low, a lot lower than on my Prot Paladin was at the same item level.
What are the issues I should be focusing on at this point?

right now I try to generate as much rage as possible and also not waste any, keep stuff on CD, like Avatar, Ravager, etc... and since this run I have also installed a WA that helps me track the talent that buffs Shield Slam/Thunder Clap every 250 rage I spend, to optimize its use a bit. Back then I pretty much just ignored it

Here's also a more recent one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QL7zpFYcgfnAjmNa?fight=6&type=damage-done (Meadery) in case more information helps 🙂

[rancid tiger]

1st mistakr

[ionic nimbus]

Tbh tldr

[rancid tiger]

Not col

2nd a lot of ip casts it seems

[ionic nimbus]

When he is MT, IP is your Main Ragedump

You can spam it a lot as MT for CDR etc.

[strong forum]

you should play big TC

that one is surprisingly useful

[ionic nimbus]

Definitely

[strong forum]

also play roar instead of spear

if threat is an issue

[round pendant]

yeah you can press shield wall a LOT more

[ionic nimbus]

Even DPS-wise spear can be worse when mobs are spread… would always prefer roar atm (sims vs. real conditions)

[round pendant]

I feel like people hold spear a lot more than roar too

just cause of the way the spell works

It makes you feel like you gotta get it on the most amount of mobs as possible and it makes you wait

vs just sending roar

[ionic nimbus]

In a 9 it’s hard to find useful shield wall windows?

[round pendant]

wdym

[patent scroll]

You're playing MT, in an AoE pull, with Avatar up, you have shorter clap, yet

[ionic nimbus]

Hard to advise the use of sw, when no dmg is incoming. I guess Defensives are adapting to key level

[ionic nimbus]

When SS is rdy and no TB procc SS > TC

He spams SS, what’s right

[round pendant]

Sure, you could do a 9 with 0 shield walls, but you may as well use them

[undone beacon]

Does MT take the Shield Wall -> 4 sec of Avatar?

[ionic nimbus]

I guess thats a kind of favor.. with higher key level he will see what’s hurting and demanding a defensive

[round pendant]

I did a pug on my rogue and the pwar tank we had pressed shield wall.. 3 times

in a +12 dfc

[ionic nimbus]

As MT you should play avatar = 60% TC dmg

[round pendant]

not advisable if you ask me

[undone beacon]

the real question

are we LAST STAND-ing?

[round pendant]

Anyway, guy seems to be playing fine enough

just shit gear and playing MT so less damage than his ppal

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah even im dfc (where dont need SW except of the worms) it’s bad as Col, you are missing avatar proccs

[round pendant]

it's just bad in general to not press it imo

[ionic nimbus]

I am using it as additional self heal against bleeds etc.

[round pendant]

even just using your first charge of SW at the start of pulls does a lot to make everything feel comfier

[undone beacon]

Yeah, no reason to not be hitting it really

Might as well just to practice

[sharp merlin]

Also SW gives you Avatar, Avatar = Dmg, so use defence as offence

[frosty mango]

This makes my friend mad

[sharp merlin]

HAHA

[frosty mango]

On the first/second pull of cinder when I am calling for a pain suppress and he’s like bro shield wall? And I’m like “bro I’m doing 20m dps how you think that happened”

[sharp merlin]

If I see two SW stacks up, I'm doing something wrong

always keep in mind, one rolling

[frosty mango]

#showtooltip Avatar
/cast Avatar
/cast shield wall

[warm plinth]

Only by accident

[frosty mango]

6 extra seconds of avatar is another fatty demolish and a bunch of tasty revenge

If we’re not shaming the dps we’re doing it wrong

[warm plinth]

I'm calling bs. Everyone knows tanks fall over dead on the pulls in first room of cinder 😏

[sharp merlin]

some VDH pulls I've seen are hilarious, jump in thinking they're yoda, but they're the blue version of yoda (dead)

[frosty mango]

Only if you’re a demon hunter or paladin from azralon with a high IO and a questionably low number of keys completed

On the flip side every brewmaster I’ve ever partied with from Latin servers has been a god

Complete chad tier

[warm plinth]

Almost like realm has nothing to do with skill

[sharp merlin]

Kazzak would disagree

[warm plinth]

I mean, there was a Kazzak player in the MDI so...

TGP, whatever

[round pendant]

if my friend said "bro, shield wall?" to me

we would no longer be friends

Disc priests need to realise

[fair sonnet]

Thx everyone for the feedback!

[round pendant]

it's not THEIR Pain Suppression

it's

https://tenor.com/view/meme-our-now-gif-21036569

[fair sonnet]

I'll test colossus, just saw that MT was a lot more fire and forget so I have been sticking with it to build muscle memory for the more basic things

[round pendant]

the only diff really with col is that you press IP less (naturally because less rage gen + wanting to spend on revenge instead) and revenge over tclap

since revenge slaps and tclap doesn't

[frosty mango]

It doesnt - but that doesn’t stop me from feeling like there is a disproportional amount of bad demon hunter tanks from azralon

[fair sonnet]

i c

But good to know that I am not doing anything fundamentally wrong. Gear is ideed still pretty low, I am still catching up doing 15 more upgrades on my main so it takes time

the +2 extra per slot got me good

[sharp gale]

It is my gathering pull def cd

[fair sonnet]

I like it as a second heal sometimes, doesn't feel too useful at lower key levels otherwise

[frosty mango]

It’s makes your character go “yearrrrrrgh”

[sharp gale]

In my mind : I don’t want to proc bsv just on gathering, so I increase my max hp before the gathering

[fair sonnet]

I need to get into the habit of using wall and sb regularly

[dusky canopy]

Shield block???

[fair sonnet]

everything makes my char go yearrrrgh

[dusky canopy]

Yeah you want to be using that often

[fair sonnet]

spell block

[sharp gale]

You saying Spell block right ?

Oof

Saved

[fair sonnet]

yes, shield block should be up all the time

[dusky canopy]

[fair sonnet]

I am rarely dumb enough to drop that, but it has happened before

[dusky canopy]

Don’t mind me I’m just a bad class clown

[fair sonnet]

coming from HoW, I can understand that, and I like it

makes me feel right at home

[round pendant]

spell block is big but it's hard to know when to use it

honestly just send it on cd if in combat unless you know a specific point where it's super good to use coming up

yolo

(or read the pins and go to the spreadsheet)

cause I don't press it outside of the few instances where I know it's BIG and that's a problem

[frosty mango]

Roidburgs simple guide on when to use spellblock

Do I see cast bars?
Is my health going down quickly?

Use spell block

[round pendant]

genius shit

[frosty mango]

It’s a pretty safe bet that assuming good play if your health bar is ever depleting quickly you are either dotted up or getting blasted by magic damage

There’s really not much else that moves our healthbar

That being said there are some things we know for sure are blockable (thanks sense)

[round pendant]

yeah if you learn the major ones I think using it on CD is still better than never pressing it outside of those points

since you'll at least cover some things with it

and don't have to learn every single instance of magic dam ever

but I'm lazy so

[inner belfry]

I'm lazy so I use a weak aura

[frosty mango]

lazy smart

[cerulean tusk]

I just ask myself, has that pack ever hurt me? If yes, I use the CDs. If no, I ask if I can pull it into something that does

[round pendant]

pain is good

[fair sonnet]

I also noticed that even stuff that hurts my pala and isn't blockable is super safe to take on my warrior because a good chunk of it is eaten by the permanently active IP

and the rest eats into a bigger HP pool

[frosty mango]

Don’t worry as you go up key levels this sentiment will shift to “I’m dying, where is my self heal”

[fair sonnet]

I certainly hope so, because otherwise I'd be mad

[frosty mango]

And then you remember you’re on a warrior and you don’t have one. Healers adjust

[small steeple]

Been playing my prot pal, and I feel like I’m doing it wrong lol.

I feel so squishy

My brew feels tankier at equal ilvl

[fair sonnet]

Prot Pal hbar moves

[frosty mango]

Prot pal is very squishy

[fair sonnet]

unlike warriors

[frosty mango]

By design

[fair sonnet]

at lower HPS mind you

[frosty mango]

The hps number isn’t really meaningful - ignore pain is an absorb so it’s going to get clocked first

Paladin does significantly more functional healing than warrior

[small steeple]

Yeah just every one says brew is squishiest tank but I feel so sturdy on it in comparison lol

[frosty mango]

Brew is very sturdy when played right

Very not sturdy when played wrong lol

[small steeple]

I guess I play brew decently then lol

[frosty mango]

Tank defensiveness actually in a good place right now imo with the exception of bdk

[frosty mango]

Do you use the normalized stagger wa?

[small steeple]

I use Luxthos

Has a stagger bar

[frosty mango]

https://wago.io/NormalStagger

I use that

[small steeple]

Oh that looks interesting

Luxthos stagger bar just shows what percent is staggered and what its ratio to your hp is

Or something

[cerulean tusk]

Just revert the death strike change and bloodshield, then BDK is back online again to just be fun

Will it still fall short top end? Yep. But at least it is fun

[small steeple]

Blood still is fun

[fair sonnet]

but it could be more fun

[cerulean tusk]

That is some copium shit, if you think this slowmode BDK is as fun as adrenaline junky of old

I loved the "pull so you bounce 1 to 100 every GCD" gameplay

[small steeple]

It is fun. I enjoy the methodical planning it has rn, and it still has the 1-100 every gcd shit too

[cerulean tusk]

No it doesn't. You will die without healer support on those old pulls. As now you can only kinda heal with CDs. Or with 1/10th of the dam intake

[small steeple]

… no?

Not from my experience at all

[fair sonnet]

it's a lot more than 1/10th of the amage intake, especially if you account for blood shield

[cerulean tusk]

Bloodshield got slapped as well

Now to heal you can't be in a situation where you got to DS back to back. You got to build it up and have something carry the mid value.

A lot more CD reliant, and it sucks comparably. Especially if you get pressured, as it now brings you down and doesn't turn you immortal.

[frosty mango]

Problem with bdk is the same problem it always has

[cerulean tusk]

DS healing thrice your efficient health bar, is a lot better than it healing 70% or less. The change turned triviality to deadly.

It wasn't good. Still doesn't feel good. If you remember how it was.

[frosty mango]

Its primary mitigation style does not mesh with m+

Eventually you hit a point where you literally cannot death strike fast enough to handle incoming damage and you die

It’s not a skill issue it’s literally a design limitation

[cerulean tusk]

As such, give back old death strike

Fuck the raid

[frosty mango]

They need to give it some sort of scaling mit or shield based on number of targets hit

Heal less mit more

[cerulean tusk]

I disagree, it simply should be accepted it just won't work for the tip top 0.01%

It being unique and fun is more important than it being m+ #1 viable

[frosty mango]

Do you play a bdk

[fair sonnet]

fun? What heresy talk is this

FUN???

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, I dabble BDK, less after the change. But I get it geared for boostin'

Why you ask roidy

[frosty mango]

I don’t think it needs to be bis but it should be comparable, bdks shouldn’t be the only tanks having to play pure defensive and double defense trinkets

If every tank was that way I would say that’s fine, but they aren’t

You gotta work way harder to stay alive on a bdk

[cerulean tusk]

Why cares, if gameplay is fun for 99.9% of content

Revert the change and you will revert all issues

[frosty mango]

I mean by that logic you could also say gameplay is irrelevant for 99.9% of content

[cerulean tusk]

Other than in raid

No you cant

99.9% is the player base you should care about

The 0.1% can drop off a cliff and be replaced

99.9% is the game health

[frosty mango]

99% of players are running like 12s and under and could literally play with their eyes closed as long as someone is healing them

That might be hyperbole

But only a little

[cerulean tusk]

I think you underestimate how difficult that content is for anyone not part of the top 10%

Being in here, the worst of us, will already be in that bracket. We will call it piss easy and can do it blindfolded

The avg player will struggle

[frosty mango]

I don’t think so, I think players struggle with the meta game aspect but not the actual class mechanics

Understanding routes, when to use kicks etc - but from a tanking perspective just staying alive and doing damage I don’t think most players struggle

[cerulean tusk]

Have you done keys with lowbies? They die to mechanics we dont know exist, as we dodge and solve them by muscle memory

They don't know how to press their buttons and move, as they don't play as religiously as we do

They play for fun

Fun is what is alpha and omega

99.9% is the important part

[frosty mango]

I’ve really not encountered that, yes there are some muppets but on the whole most people i play with are doing fine rotationally

I’ve run a lot of keys, a looooot of keys

[cerulean tusk]

And I done a loooot of keys as well

[frosty mango]

Ooh how many

Let’s compare

Who is the bigger degen

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-fight-kiss-gif-9307016

[cerulean tusk]

I would presume this season, at least a 1000, prob not as many as 1500. But you can calculate it kinda, how many weeks it been?

[frosty mango]

Oy Dey fightin

[frosty mango]

Raiderio tells you

I was at like 700

You get the degen crown

[round pendant]

Most of the tanks I've met in pugs <12 on my alts have been awful at staying alive

[fair sonnet]

Most of us here hardly get to see most of the struggles, because they happen at key levels we never do

I have done 2s on alts that were a struggle from start to finish

I did not even understand how people kept finding ways to fail, you shozld try it sometime

[frosty mango]

Kitty def has a calculator out

Right now

[round pendant]

It's really fun doing a low key as a dps and just being powerless

It's literally like watching a trainwreck

[frosty mango]

Guys can we trade, I don’t wanna work today

Writing policy documentation is basically paid torture

[small steeple]

Now do it’s an aug and be even more powerless

[undone beacon]

Wanna give demos of asset managment platforms? Would happily trade

[frosty mango]

I’m familiar with service now, jira, solar winds, and oracle

Is that enough?

[cerulean tusk]

I do around 10 or so on my warrior a week, around the same on my hunter, 10 ish on my DK. Then you got other boost runs, about 10 a week

Then you got the keys I do to keep score alright. Let's say 5.

So 45*14, 630.

Then add the gear farm runs. About 20 per char, so around 710. Include failed runs, fail rate runs, so prob a 50 or so that did could count.

Actually less than I raw guessed. So around 600-900 runs is a good gestimate.

This was more fun than it should be to do.

[round pendant]

think I've done <200 keys this season on all my chars

which is more than I do on most seasons

and my score sucks cause I lost all motivation after turbo boost

[frosty mango]

We can share the degen crown

Degen brothers

Or sisters

[cerulean tusk]

We need help

[frosty mango]

I’m not tryin to assume

Most of my keys are helping friends lol

[cerulean tusk]

That is what 25 work days of playing m+ for each of us

[round pendant]

yeah same

[cerulean tusk]

What is the token price atm, anyone know the ish?

300k gold?

[frosty mango]

265k

Ish

[round pendant]

340ish eu

[cerulean tusk]

So for NA, I would earn around 20 euro worth a day, or ish 500 euro for the whole period

Value gaming

Kinda wish McD burger flipping was my hobby

[undone beacon]

I support Fortinet and Armis primarily so, get studying

[frosty mango]

Heyyy I work in cyber too let’s gooo

[undone beacon]

Hell yeah brother

[nocturne spindle]

What if I did all my keys during work from home hours

Do I count them

[undone beacon]

I'm a cybersecurity sales engineer but im desperately trying to get out because my company is kinda butts

Does mean i have plenty of time at home to dick around between meetings tho

Get to lurk on the warrior discord all day like a degen

[frosty mango]

Before I ascended to senior/staff level I did cloud cyber operations and stuff

Now i just write policy and answer the phone

Occasionally I write some automation code related to analysis or automation but they never let me do the fun stuff anymore

Do a lot of ai now

[undone beacon]

See my initial goal after graduation was to get into threat analytics and SOC work but I ended up in sales because nobody wanted to hire someone without experience. Now I sit on call blitzes all day and give demos of products to the federal government

[cerulean tusk]

Add the value

[undone beacon]

I did some cyber policy work in college as an intern and I enjoyed it but people also werent hiring for that

[frosty mango]

Can you stop telling them your poopy ai threat analysis is gonna replace their soc so I can stop building demos that show them why it isn’t true

[undone beacon]

PFFFFT

I actively avoid talking about AI in cyber because it makes me wanna blow my brains out

[frosty mango]

Get your CEH and CISSP, even the associate forms of them will get you a job pretty quick. The hard part is the studying

[nocturne spindle]

I'm in risk and compliance and my company is now starting to want to add AI to all the things

[undone beacon]

Was at BlackHat 2024 and most of the fuckin booths and vendors were just AI startups and I was sad

[nocturne spindle]

I have to keep telling them adding AI to compliance is a terrible idea

[undone beacon]

I've got my Sec+, working on CISSP next

I got my degree in cybersecurity so like, its not that bad since I have an academic background in it

[undone beacon]

Everyone and their mother wants to add ai to every tool

Or they try and be sneaky and use the "AI" acronym but have it mean something else

cough cough Armis cough

[frosty mango]

One of our developers wants to use ml and llm to do code reviews and suggest changes so I told him to demo it up.

First thing I did was write a prompt hijack in my commit that told it to speak like a pirate

[undone beacon]

yeah okay but, that makes me want to use it more 4head

Yarrr matey your code is shit

[frosty mango]

The point of the demonstration was to illustrate that giving an ai tool access to your codebase was risky because it’s new technology and easily manipulated

lol

[undone beacon]

Oh yeah I got that. I'm just being a shitter

But have you considered our brand new AI-resilient and quantum-secure platform to secure your codebase?!

[frosty mango]

You sales guys are always trying to razzle dazzle

[undone beacon]

I retch every time I have to use the buzzwords

I'm not a sales guy at heart

I'm trying to pivot into managed services so I can stop calling people and just do the implementation work

[frosty mango]

I’ve only ever had one solid sales pitch

Where I was like “ok yes we need this”

[cerulean tusk]

Only time I listen to IT guy, is when he say that. Cause it means that we do.

[undone beacon]

Real

I both look like and sound like a goblin so any sales pitches I give fall flat on that merit alone fr fr

[cerulean tusk]

Have you tried being Goblina instead?

[frosty mango]

Steel cloud did a demo for me back in like 2018 where they auto stigd machines in like 20 mins and I had just manually done like 30 boxes and I said yes please we’ll take it

My boss said how much is it and I said doesn’t matter, buy it

[undone beacon]

I wish smh my damn head

[undone beacon]

I've actually used Steel Cloud and it was fantastic

[frosty mango]

The fed govt is obsessed with windows and windows sec automation tools suck

I miss my beautiful red hat

[undone beacon]

Working with the fed govt on any sort of procurement is a goddamn nightmare

I do a lot of fed work and jesus its rough

[frosty mango]

But anyway we are warriors and we don’t concern ourselves with things like security

What we do concern ourselves with is this fire ass brown butter scrambled egg sando with bacon, Gouda and maple sriracha I just made

[undone beacon]

me see computer, me smash computer, me eat fire ass brown butter scrambled egg sando with bacon, gouda, and maple sriracha

[nocturne spindle]

we killed all the bugs last season right

we dont need to code anymore

[undone beacon]

so true

[frosty mango]

Blizz would for sure hire you

[cerulean tusk]

Hire Weeshy, weeshy will add some more bugs for warrior, then we get to be good

[civic hemlock]

demolish prevent the grip from magnets on spocket ?

[south anvil]

https://www.twitch.tv/barefalltv/clip/InterestingCharmingMarjoramBudBlast-qSIso7XTxU8NqPP1

can someone tell me why bombs dropped how they did?

Was charge to early?

[undone beacon]

No

[round pendant]

mb

lmao

[sharp gale]

Yes

[jagged pier]

why is he charging back just bump the bombs to get back theres 0 need to charge there at all

[south anvil]

Not how we do fight

I taunt back and tank the ego and the other tank always does bombs

[jagged pier]

eh?

but thats so over complicated

like stupidly over complicated

[south anvil]

Dont think so at all

[jagged pier]

if u say so but u can never go over 8 stacks of ego and never take bombs with it, by doing literally nothing

[south anvil]

I dont know what that means but havnt had problems with anything was just wondering why bombs spawned like that

[jagged pier]

Im saying there 0 reason to rush back to the boss, if you were doing it the other way so u would never spawn bombs like that

[south anvil]

Ud be suprised

[jagged pier]

we literally never spawned bomb like that ever

so yes i would be suprised

[south anvil]

We did it for first 10 pulls because there is a max range or something

[small steeple]

well thats a rare sight

[lusty grotto]

[nocturne spindle]

nim with his 56 runs or whatever having ptsd

[lusty grotto]

still have it equipped

havent spent any dinars

[dusky canopy]

Noober

[nocturne spindle]

i mean why not buy a book

[lusty grotto]

need 1ab kill

[dusky canopy]

He can’t read

[lusty grotto]

want 1ab items

[dusky canopy]

Don’t need books

[lusty grotto]

true and real

[nocturne spindle]

book go zoom though

daaaaamge

[thorn wing]

Hello! Returning player here, pushed some keys in season 1 and now I want to try tanking with warrior. Does it have tons of buttons? Is it hard?

[mighty valley]

It has a decent number of buttons but not the most

You have to have pretty high apm but prot warrior rotation can be boiled down to some pretty basic rules you follow almost all the time

[thorn wing]

Ahhh I want a more relaxed tank, what about DK, do you know if it has too many buttons?

[dusky canopy]

If you want a relaxed tank

Play bear

[small steeple]

bear

[sharp gale]

Bear

[dusky canopy]

You just macro iron fur to thrash and afk

[small steeple]

bear is adhd but relaxed

[sharp gale]

Rawrrr

[thorn wing]

I hate bear, too ugly hahahaha

[small steeple]

well war is mostg relaxed after bear lol

[dusky canopy]

Warrior is not challenging at all if you want to play it casually you can

[thorn wing]

I want to push keys, not a lot, only +15s

[sharp gale]

Yeah beside bear, idk pal and monk have more buttons than others

I don’t play vdh

[dusky canopy]

Warrior breaks down to this

Shield slam on cooldown
Maintain block
Spend rage* to survive or do damage

[sharp gale]

Bdk is slight above, maybe just equal close, with war, but you’re a bdk

[dusky canopy]

Warrior just has a lot of other buttons that you should keybind outside if those basic rules

[sharp gale]

If you don’t want to hear your heart beats, don’t play bdk

[thorn wing]

Why that hate towards BDK hahaha

[dusky canopy]

BDK is not a relaxed tank

[thorn wing]

I know it has 0 mobility

[dusky canopy]

Your health bar ping pongs constantly and if you screw up a global of death strike you probably are dead

[short ivy]

^

[sharp gale]

I play bdk

Like some tankbusters will do a jumpscare the first time

[pallid quiver]

What are you looking for specifically by relaxed? Easy to play, self-sustaining, stable healthbar?

[small steeple]

i read that as "stable healthcare"

[thorn wing]

Mmm a not to hard to play tank and without looooot of buttons (I hate having like 1389 key bindings)

[small steeple]

whait is a lot for you? 4? 5? 10? 20?

all tanks have like, at least 12

[thorn wing]

Im not new to the game, Ive been playing since Legion, played tank and dps, pushed m+ in dragonflight

Im between DK, Warr

[sharp gale]

Tanks are kinda heavy on keybinds / with healers

[thorn wing]

Dragonflight's VDH didnt have tons of buttons

[sharp gale]

I think it’s still around 20+

[thorn wing]

Decisions decisions!

[sharp gale]

But vdh is the lowest number of buttons tank

[thorn wing]

https://tenor.com/view/gravewalker-nuncamorto-coringando-dafoe-willem-dafoe-gif-18185510239881759990

[lilac widget]

cxhey guys

anyone got a talent load out for underpin?

[sharp gale]

I used the raid one

[lilac widget]

raid single target/cleave on wowhead?

[undone beacon]

BEAR

did someone say bear

raaawr bear

https://tenor.com/view/howl-harvest-howlharvest-moonguard-moon-guard-bear-gif-1865620123706967638

[sharp gale]

Single target

[lilac widget]

ah crap so mountain thane?

i wont be usin that then

ill try the raid cleave one

[sharp gale]

No it was colossus

Do we tank in raid as thane now?

[lilac widget]

on wowhead the ST one is mountain thane

[sharp gale]

The 2 talents to switch cleave to ST, is sudden death to the other one, and Revenge dmg when hit multiple in col tree

Oh yeah it changed

Anyway, I used the Col zug build

[lilac widget]

so im guessin thats the raid execute one?

zugzug friend

[sharp gale]

Yes

Choose whatever build, it will die, just as col you have demolish to destroy rly fast the shield

You could take wreck throw

[lilac widget]

ill probs leave wreck if its not essential, cause im keybind heavy and gotta find one for interact key

[sharp gale]

You can put wreck bind on stun or mass stun bind just for this tbf and remove it from your life after it

Or on rally cry or intervene button

These 4 things are useless / you can talent out

[lilac widget]

ooh good shout

guessing eye of kezan is mega bis too?

[sharp gale]

Nop

Unless you think it will take that much time

Tome is obvious choice, do whatever with second trinket

[lilac widget]

its my first attempt, so wasnt sure what to expect rlly

[sharp gale]

Just kick bombs into adds, kick bombs away from you, underpin is kinda a joke

If you want, stop pushing buttons and do the bombs calmly

[lilac widget]

last question, healer or dps brann?

and this has been an awesome help thankyou so much 🙂

[solar skiff]

If it helps i'm always using the healer if i solo 11s just to be safe. But my gear in not that good yet so if you have good gear you might try him as dps.

But i'd defenetly recomend to make bim a heal. The little extra dps is not worth risking deaths since there is not time limit

[solid sun]

Interact key for bombs is goated

[undone beacon]

I just walked in with DPS Brann (goblomatic Grenade and Bioprinter), did it in two tries. Not bad at all

You take very little damage as long as you blow up cronies and dont stand in shit

Though honestly you can probably out-sustain a few cronies

[inner oracle]

If you are between War and DK go War. If you want the easiest rotation wise, go bear. I would also recommend Fel Scarred VDH if you look for a balance of easy/not a lot of buttons. Just don’t leap in packs like all new VDH if you pick that one 😁

[undone beacon]

I cannot reccomend bear enough for a chill tank

Its chill even as you're pushing lol

[cerulean tusk]

If you just want a chill tank to do keys on, as an overgeared character: BDK

[jagged pier]

Ew

Literally anything fills that role

And 5 of them are better than bdk

[cerulean tusk]

Neh

[jagged pier]

Yeh

[cerulean tusk]

nay

[jagged pier]

Yay

[cerulean tusk]

Pash made it so I won

ya got broken off

[undone beacon]

shhhh

[lilac widget]

im guessing underpin is done in battle stance too?

[solid sun]

I did it in d stance. I never switch off d stance even when I could because I never think about it

I’m bad and it doesn’t even matter

[lilac widget]

nah im perma d stance too buddy

we might eat crayons now, but i dont wanna devolve further

[solid sun]

Pash has me beat though. He did it in two attempts. It took me four

[thorn wing]

Still scared about the tons of keybindings of ProtWar

[solid sun]

Could always not keybind them and click them instead :)

I wouldn’t recommend it but maybe you’re a click prodigy

[knotty stump]

Click them from your spellbook for maximum effect.

[thorn wing]

Hhahahaahah Im not a clicker, I want keybinded even the leave party macro hahahaha

[undone beacon]

I click shield wall and bind hearthstone like a real gamer

(/s)

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-minamoto-xd-gif-627758404327754450

[solid sun]

Sometimes I like to prepare scalding hot tea and sip on it while doing dungeons and handle all my pwar activities with my mouse

It’s important not to spill it on my lap or keyboard

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/elgatitolover-cat-kitty-elgatito-explosion-gif-8874415577877859154

[idle copper]

Not a question for this channel but how easy is it gear resto if your maining a guardian tank

[undone beacon]

not super easy

Both love haste but resto wants a lot of mastery and bear dumps mastery as much as possible

Same deal with feral and balance, both want big mastery

[jagged pier]

What happens to bear tanks

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-exploding-gif-18403884229748594041

[solid sun]

Isn’t the combo like

Guardian and boomkin

Feral and Resto

Am I just the worst Druid ever

Probs. Heck that class. The only Druid spec is bear anyways

[undone beacon]

Uhhhh

Feral and Balance are both Mast/Haste, Resto is Haste/Mast

Bear is Haste/Vers>Crit>Mast

I'm sitting at 23% vers natty on my bear :3

[solid sun]

Yeah so you go guardian and boomkin because you’re either playing bear or you’re afk on boomkin until it’s time to press laser silence

[undone beacon]

LMAO

[solid sun]

And when people say “wow this boomkin does no damage”

You respond by saying buff boomkin

[undone beacon]

when people complain about my damage I just hit flap and leave the group EZ

[solid sun]

Loooooool

[jagged pier]

[mild river]

Which physical class does great single target?

Assass rogue?

[nocturne spindle]

you mean like

in an M+ comp

or in raid spec

[jagged pier]

A fair few

Monk buff is actually weaker than ours because it hits less classes

[south anvil]

from what ive seen ww monk and fury warrior both really good for pure ST in m+ but boths target cap can be cringe

[chilly brook]

Outlaw rogue does good single target pretty sure

[chilly brook]

Assassination in m+ is basically full aoe, they’re too energy starved in single target to do good ST dam

I’m also fairly certain that MM hunter does nice single target

[small steeple]

assasin rogue does nature damage mostly right? poison=nature

[chilly brook]

Lots of bleed too

[jagged pier]

Just open a log see if damage is any other colour than yellow

[chilly brook]

Their aoe is basically almost all bleed iirc

[jagged pier]

Then its not physical

[small steeple]

Well poison is all the ST of assasin right? fro menvonem

yeah ST its nature/poison

[vocal cave]

do you fire off demolish on 1st pull of the dungeon from the getgo or after having 10 stacks?

[jagged pier]

3 stacks and use

But tbh honestly i just press it after i popped my coolies in first

Then on cd from then on

Sending it one time without stacks is barely gunna doanything over a key it wont matter at all

[chilly brook]

Sin:

Outlul:

TLDR if you wanna bring a rogue and get the most out of the monk buff bring outlaw

[lime urchin]

frens, to run a sim focussing only on m+ tonking, what do I put here?

[lusty grotto]

that one works

but if you want AOE burst, you can use 5 target 1.5 min

[lime urchin]

thank you Nimchip

[cinder marsh]

yo i bought the bis shield 2 weeks ago from the BIS vendor i just got my 2nd set of chips what should be my next buy?

[lusty grotto]

was it myth track?

if it wasnt you wasted dinars

the wowhead list specifically says "MYTH ONLY"

[cinder marsh]

no im not going to do any mythic raiding so i dont care for them

[lusty grotto]

thats not the bis shield then

crafted is better

still wasted

[cinder marsh]

it is what it is

[lusty grotto]

ilvl >>>>> all on shields

whatever myth track shield you can get is bis

[cinder marsh]

but still i want to know what to buy next

[lusty grotto]

myth > crafted > hero

[cinder marsh]

im not going to get any myth tracked gear so it dont matter

i stop at hero every time

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

thats goes into what you can buy, which is not a whole lot

[nocturne spindle]

as far as bis hero track stuff it doesnt really matter

you can just get it all as drops really easily

[lusty grotto]

everything is farmable except the 2 items listed

yes

they are knee-capping themselves so i dont think they care

[lime urchin]

frens, I am a bit new to this expansion
why is the sim telling me to gem into mastery?!
I am from the crit/haste generation