protection

[frosty mango]

Yes they are bad, tell them to come talk to us 🤣

[slender bison]

Threat buffed to 950% of Tank's Damage (was 815%)

[lusty grotto]

yes we're aware

[slender bison]

Still not clear how shaman steals agro

[frosty mango]

Because they are blasting a shitload of damage into one target

If you’re not shield slamming that target they will overtake you

Same is true for arcane, if they focus a target for prio and that target is not your primary target, they’ll rip

Maybe not anymore, that’s a pretty sizable threat bump

[slender bison]

One shield slam with no VO is like 600K

But this happens in high keys

Same item level in 10-14s, never had issues

[frosty mango]

I personally have not had any issues since turbo boost even with people bursting in the 30m range

Occasionally a boomy will snake a few mobs with starfall if I’m grabbing a new pack before we drop combat but that’s not difficult to get them back

I can see demon hunters and brewmasters having issues

Dh specifically

[slender bison]

I had issues with Hero weapon with all the sweatlords with 681/684 pumping post turbo boost. Had to craft too

[slender bison]

Up the top of your head - what's your DPS at rookery 16-17 1st boss? Like 1.1M-1.2M? A bit better with battle stance + sword tome?

[frosty mango]

Uh

Like overall or on the boss itself

[slender bison]

Boss only

[frosty mango]

It really honestly depends

On if dps have brain or no brain

If they burn the shield properly and I can use cds on burn phase then around 1.8-2m details I think?

Otherwise like 1.3-1.5

[slender bison]

1st boss, not last

The bird

[frosty mango]

Oh

1.4-1.5ish

[slender bison]

Colossus?

[frosty mango]

Yeah

If you have blaster dps and you don’t have avatar or pot up it will be much lower

Usually 1.2ish

I just looked and I was at 1.43m details

From a key a few days ago

[slender bison]

Thx. I'm 1.1-1.2m Thane. With mud trinket though. No Show of Force for empowering TC. This is 16 key

[nocturne spindle]

thane is pretty much even on single target

its the aoe it loses out on

[frosty mango]

I’ve played some thane keys

Single target is similar or better

Thane has great rage economy

[lusty grotto]

are you sure about that?

thats 8% less than Colossus Execute

[frosty mango]

Don’t think thane would be better in raid

[lusty grotto]

scratch that

its 9.9% less

[frosty mango]

Fight times are longer and execute is a smaller portion of your overall contribution - as we scale up demolish goes kinda nuts

[lusty grotto]

thats a 5 min ST sim

[frosty mango]

Given current tuning I would expect colossus to keep pulling away

[lusty grotto]

lets see the 3min

[frosty mango]

Sim 3m

[lusty grotto]

dont worry im on it

[frosty mango]

You gotta do a sim after without raid buffs

[lusty grotto]

3 mins

[frosty mango]

Hm

The thane keys I’ve run my single target didn’t really go down

[lusty grotto]

3 mins, no lust, no buffs

not even battle shout

[frosty mango]

Though I’m admittedly in execute longer on my thane keys because they tend to be carry keys or brain off keys

[lusty grotto]

certainly far from even like the guy said

and of course colossus shatters thane in aoe, we've known that for a while

the buffs didnt really make a difference

[frosty mango]

I tested thane in priory 12s and avg overalls were around 2.5m

[lusty grotto]

sounds about right

[frosty mango]

High was like 2.9 and low was like 2.2

Colossus was just much higher on average and had much better prio damage

That sim surprises me though I wouldn’t expect thane to be that far behind in st - are you simming your char?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[frosty mango]

I’ll sim mine when I get home, I wonder if my stat distro makes a diff

I have a lot more crit than you I think

[lusty grotto]

im not ingame atm but

going by armory

im at 16751 crit

19,102 haste

[pallid quiver]

The main thing Thane ST has going for it is a stronger execute phase, but it's not by a large amount, and the faster you blast things, the less execute phase there is

[lusty grotto]

yeah, but its still gonna be less than colossus

[pallid quiver]

Even then, it's not like Colo execute is bad

[warm plinth]

I assume that sims have a fixed execute phase though

So that wouldn't really change with gear

[frosty mango]

Yeah I have 22k/18k in thane gear

[pallid quiver]

So it mostly has value for pushing through Execute important phases or something similar

Which this raid did have a few of, but parse wise they won't be of note, and you being Thane or not probably didn't make a difference

[lusty grotto]

yeah this isnt really news

[pallid quiver]

You'd have to ask an actual M raider for that, though, since I don't fully know

[lusty grotto]

i dont think thane is good at all

period

[pallid quiver]

So none of these sims surprise me, even after the buff it got at some point

[frosty mango]

I’m not surprised to see colo ahead as gear scales but 10%?

[pallid quiver]

It theoretically could be tankier if you needed to cycle Shield Wall more often, but that's relatively minor

[frosty mango]

That’s pretty massive

[lusty grotto]

thats just not gonna happen in any fight luerce

[pallid quiver]

Immovable Object also can enable you to fit damage profiles, more, as well

[warm plinth]

ok

[pallid quiver]

That's more for dungeon purposes, where defensive CDs over time could be a factor; current dungeons and their design ain't the case, though

[warm plinth]

Real talk though

[lusty grotto]

anyway this whole thing is due to this claim #protection message which is absolutely not true at all

all of this we've known about

[warm plinth]

What is the difference between "gradient" roles and "holographic" roles? Because I feel like they're exactly the same except holographic ones can't have the color customized.

[lusty grotto]

kinda feel the same tbh

[pallid quiver]

i've been trying to not think about this

i saw nim's name being all weird

[frosty mango]

Holograph is animated I think

[lusty grotto]

oh

[pallid quiver]

and i was like "i can't be assed"

[warm plinth]

I bought both in MPF and have yet to use the gradient ones (because I'm colorblind nad having me pick two colors that aren't horrible with each other is not a good idea)

[lusty grotto]

that would make a difference i guess

[warm plinth]

Gradient are animated as well

Hover over the mods

Those are gradient roles

[lusty grotto]

those arent animated ghash

they just glow more

[frosty mango]

The holo ones have like a shimmer animation

[pallid quiver]

i'm pretty sure the mod's roles are animated

the blue goes to orange and orange to blue

[frosty mango]

Doesn’t work on mobile

[warm plinth]

https://gyazo.com/3901a4a31a0af492b8e8c818ff0d5642

[frosty mango]

Yea that’s holo I think?

[warm plinth]

No

Holographic can't be customized. You and Nim are holo

That's the only color of holo there is

[lusty grotto]

ok thats not happening in my desktop app

[warm plinth]

If you see ones that are other colors, it's gradient

[pallid quiver]

smh nim's graphics card can't meet the strict requirements asked of by the discord desktop app

[warm plinth]

[frosty mango]

I’m not trusting the colorblind dude to tell me what’s colored

Suspect

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[warm plinth]

Trust my server options :p

Notice it says you "are not required to select a color"?

This is gradient

You pick two colors for it to gradient through

[lusty grotto]

yeah well its a mystery

discord trying to sell the same thing as different things

c:

[warm plinth]

Yeah seems that way XD

Maybe I should make a gradient role with the same colors as holo and see if there's a visible difference

[frosty mango]

Do it

For science

[warm plinth]

https://gyazo.com/6239259697208ea927f6e6bd6e2485da I don't think I quite got the right colors; it's hard to pick it up from a gradient lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah its animated

[warm plinth]

It doesn't look different to me though (besides maybe a slight difference in colors due to my bad selection)

[light sorrel]

Hi just wanting to make sure I understand this properly. You only hit Revenge if you need to apply Deep Wounds and otherwise you spend Rage only on Ignore Pain?

[warm plinth]

That is not correct

[lusty grotto]

as what

are you thane?

or colossus?

[light sorrel]

I'm leveling currently but I'll copy paste whatever list is recommended for M+ at 80

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

things will change when you get to max level

but revenge usage varies between the two hero trees

so its important to know which one you're playing

same core, but playstyle varies

revenge prio, thunderclap prio, etc are different

[light sorrel]

Is there anywhere I can read about it instead? The priority section on WoWhead doesn't seem too helpful with that or I'm really dumb

[lusty grotto]

the priority section on wowhead should be on point

but icy veins can also provide some explanation

tl;dr though

[urban bane]

i think ppl have it twisted on the thane thing: it isn't a ST thing, it is just that the more targets you get the closer thane performs to colossus, eventually exceeding it. but not really by much. and relies dropping some nice quality of life stuff. I wouldn't go so far as to ever really recommend it to anyone. But it isn't all that bad. you can complete mid to mid upper push keys as either without trolling, as long as you're decent at prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

if you're colossus youre pressing revenge constantly

if youre thane, youre barely pressing revenge (only to apply deep wounds, and/or to get a shield slam reset)

and that role reverses for thunderclap

[light sorrel]

I see Icy Veins has a normal priority that I can look at. I'll check that out thanks

The WoWhead one is more confusing than helpful tbh

[lusty grotto]

colossus you only thunderclap for rend and/or if you need resets at low erage

thane you thunderclap a lot and burn rage mostly with IP

[frosty mango]

But what’s stopping you from revenging as thane

Instead of ip

Why can’t I just be like f dat healer

[lusty grotto]

IP is off-gcd so its faster rage consumption

[frosty mango]

Let’s ignore the fact I’d just be overcapping rage constantly

[lusty grotto]

more efficient to burn with IP

[frosty mango]

And pretend I’m not

[lusty grotto]

lol

[frosty mango]

Let me live my revenge thane fantasy

[lusty grotto]

i guess that goes without saying

[urban bane]

yea in my experience in playing it with the instigate and bloodsurge you get so much rage you need to dump with both IP and revenge

to prevent overcapping

[lusty grotto]

sure, thats good to do

[frosty mango]

I bind ip to tclap for my brain off thane keys

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-dj-jazzy-jeff-jazz-thrown-out-throw-gif-25391096

roidberg aka dj jazzy

[frosty mango]

I know it’s not optimal but it also makes it so can press like 3 buttons and watch Netflix while getting crests

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-him-out-gif-14876020

[frosty mango]

Look if blizzard can give us one button rotation I can bind ip to clap (assuming I know it’s bad)

[lusty grotto]

lmao

rafiki saying no to Roidberg and bears that macro ironfur to everything

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/toaster-lights-on-and-off-bathtub-confused-bill-murray-gif-10874237

I macro SS to IP and SB but that’s about it

[frosty mango]

I am an ironfur macroer

At least in dungeon spec

Can’t macro ironfur and cat weave properly sadly

[lusty grotto]

SIGH

roidberg y u do dis

[jolly swift]

I know yoda has some high key level prot warrior videos, does anyone else at the high level also post prot warrior content for keys?

[lusty grotto]

sense

is our only recommended one

and plka

not who you mentioned

[jolly swift]

He who shall not be named? Haha

[lusty grotto]

both of those are good

and are present in this channel

[jolly swift]

Oh cool I see sense has some 18 to 20 videos

[lusty grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/sense_nurfed
https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv

sense also has a twitch

[jolly swift]

Awesome thanks

[lusty grotto]

but im unsure if plka posts in youtube (its likely)

[jolly swift]

Also i noticed people have been talenting in the 50% bigger TC talent, which i didn't have talented, i am pretty sure my threat issues have been because I haven't been hitting everything with TC

I may have copied yoda who didn't have that selected xd

[lusty grotto]

yes we all use it

it helps for gathering mobs

you shouldnt use it in workshop though

cause the slow is bad for the 1st pull

you want everything close to you for a stop to sync the bombs

[round pendant]

what the fuck are you supposed to do against void torrent

[lusty grotto]

so you can land a disrupting on all of them

[round pendant]

gnshal dude

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[digital sparrow]

run in a circle around the guy

[lusty grotto]

you hide behind the tree trunk

taking care of not tripping on the fences

you can run around the circle, but its far easier to just hide behind the massive tree trunk

[jolly swift]

Yeah i was curious about using it for priory on first pull, but I guess them 4 footguys aren't that dangerous and just annoying

[lusty grotto]

but you can also just

stand below him

and they dont hit

its dangeours with the fire jumpy affix though

[lusty grotto]

we've used it since the season started

with troar, you want rend on everything

so thunderous words buffs the bleeds

its good snap thread

[round pendant]

also since I'm not doing it as tank

rexxar area

the bugs just absolutely delete me

[lusty grotto]

rexxar you just take it slow

oh

yeah those bugs are

[round pendant]

they all cast at the same time and just delete you

wtf?

[lusty grotto]

annoying as fuck

burn the caster and packleader (sp?), use z-axis to prevent getting knocked to africa

the packleader puts a haste buff on the rest

[nocturne spindle]

rexxar you just

aoe interrupt

and press demolish

[lusty grotto]

yeah hes not asking about rexxar

hes asking about the trash

[nocturne spindle]

yea you just

press demolish

and wait between small bug packs

lmao

[lusty grotto]

you only really need to do 3 pulls there anyway

you can skip the AH pack by going to the water side

and pulling the one next to the miniboss

2 minibosses a 3 pulls of trash total

you can probably avoid the bridge pack too

[jolly swift]

Thanks for the info, I got some learning to do 🙂

[lusty grotto]

but if youre about to pop gamon, it might be worth

[round pendant]

cool

I clipped into the ground

very nice very cool

[round pendant]

rexxar just shits on arms ig?

[lusty grotto]

no

just take it slow

his pigs come out on %

if you burst him you better have a stop and a burst ready for them

if you do him slow, you can do them 1 by 1 by 2

[frosty mango]

@lusty grotto my thane also kinda far behind - 4% though vs 10 for yours

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k3WzPyZN5ASWRTRPwrDQgo

[round pendant]

yeah none of the boars hit me

I simply got hit til I died

not like I have sustain

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk about that

i did them as prot so i wouldnt know

[round pendant]

and gnshal just did void torrent on me without even casting it

icant

game just works lmao

[nocturne spindle]

why not just do it as prot

[round pendant]

too ez

[lusty grotto]

its easier as dps

from what ive heard

you just cant pull big due to bolstering

[undone beacon]

Tanking lockenstock is fucking miserable

[sharp gale]

If you talk about 8 masks did it as fury / I never did it as prot, yeah it is easy except 2 packs (rexxar ones ofc)

Which I just bladestormed to oblivion these 2 specific packs

[urban bane]

that slow effect is just so miserably egregious

beg/plead a pally in the raid to give you freedom

[frosty mango]

anyone have a decent floodgate route with non bubbles skip?

noticing my standard route is getting a bit tight at 16/17 even with dps doing 4-5m overall

thats my current route

[grim pilot]

its very bad overall, are you dwarf or what is the issue with bubbles

[frosty mango]

I’m orc, no issue with bubbles just sometimes pugs don’t wanna do it

This route does well with meta classes but non meta classes struggle

[grim pilot]

maybe something like this

[undone beacon]

you dont do duo then momma?

Weird

[frosty mango]

No you don’t need lust for momma at 16/17 though I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt

[undone beacon]

I find its just cleaner in pugs at every level tbh, lusting duo feels like such a waste

[frosty mango]

Think you’d need a priest for this and I don’t think you can do pull 6 without pulling snipers?

[undone beacon]

this is my route usually

[grim pilot]

you can

easily

also what for

priest

[frosty mango]

Skipping the pack by the stairs on duo, I guess you can jump up

[grim pilot]

youre fine

without priest

[frosty mango]

This looks close to my speed

[grim pilot]

what i sent is specifically without priest

what i play usually

is dif

[frosty mango]

Both of those look a lot friendlier to non meta cooldowns

[grim pilot]

what is non meta cd

[frosty mango]

Usually try to go with mm/feral/enh or something similar

Rogue also solid over mm but phys classes generally don’t scale well with huge pulls

Flood is the only key that feels tight and imo usually that means route issue

[undone beacon]

Yeah, I've found my route to work pretty well, doesn't rely on any class specific things for packs

Worth messin with :3

[frosty mango]

Flood also blows as a warrior in general

[round pendant]

ok I did it as fury

[bleak breach]

Hot

[lusty grotto]

congrats

[round pendant]

went into final boss without a shockwave because I'm stupid

ate 2 quills

just orbed

coulda kicked one ig but ye

That pull before rexxar is fucking bullshit too

I love unavoidable stuns and knockbacks and other nonsense!!

[lusty grotto]

the stun is only because poison stacks

the little guys apply it

the packleader hastes them so it stacks faster

you can probably DbtS it with arms

[warm plinth]

Yeah, always focus swarmleader first, then big boys if any

[lusty grotto]

yeah swarmleader, that was the name i was looking for

[coarse latch]

Nim you're looking very sparkly

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[sharp gale]

1 less pull, but I think you can cook something around your 2/3 like pash does, on 4-5-8 you can definitely do something around, and you can pull extra on 10 with the 3 dudes behind

[jagged gust]

I like the lusting mama route, but the run back feels kinda sub optimal

[sharp gale]

Yeah I would prefer to bust on big momma even tho it is maybe 20+ sec loss

If you don’t do first lust on her

[frosty mango]

Apparently diver/kelp double is not a popular combo lol

I’ve gone full send on that but the healer always freaks

[sharp gale]

I guess what is scary is the kick/stop rotation pack with dudes who are coded to be desynced + spawn mines

[lone current]

I've been running this as a duo first route without skips when we don't have any. It avoids another architect, divers and most inspectors since people love to eat those.

[jagged gust]

how do you do the skip for the 2nd last trash pack?

[magic sail]

Never running mythic keys again

500k dps average on a +2

Back to back,was miserable

[mighty valley]

that's all you need for a +2

[magic sail]

Well weren’t going to time, they kept dying to mechanics

[mighty valley]

yeah, the people still doing +2s are mostly new players who don't know what's going on

or folks who just aren't trying to learn

[undone beacon]

Pulling those crocs is wild to me, each one is only a single force. I guess it’s technically free but like, inefficient lol

[slender bison]

You're not skipping any bubbles or electric big guys and your problem is architects?

Crocs have garbage %. Also divers are free count

Get more crabs at least and stun them before they die

[snow estuary]

is it better to run myth eye of kezan with tome of lights devotion or myth house of cards with tome of lights devotion

[undone beacon]

Depends on the content you’re doing

[sinful copper]

@frosty mango damn that booster color is nice

[frosty mango]

Like most things in my life I can just pay for the cool things with no skill or contribution involved

[jagged gust]

My raiding career in a nutshell

[lone current]

Yeah its 100% more efficient to do the diver packs or more crabs instead. Note If you do pull the crocs you'll need spell block as they put a stacking healer debuff on you.

[undone beacon]

Another night of wiping on lockenstock mythic, and having to hold my damage so I don’t rip aggro wheeeee

I genuinely swapped to thane for a bit to see if it helped and then I remembered thane raiding is fun cuz you just spam shield slam and go brrrr

[magic sail]

Gaming

[small steeple]

you shouldn't be ripping threat, that means other tank is seriously messing up

[next pasture]

anyone notice gally not applying ego check stacks?

[small steeple]

my co-tank is a vdh, and we never had threat problems when progging sprocket

[undone beacon]

They are a bdk that is struggling hard on this fight, yeah

[small steeple]

bdk? plerase tell me they aren't running death bringer in raid

bdk is crazy st

[undone beacon]

PFFFT they’re san’layn but he just recently picked it up and is still relatively undergeared iirc

[small steeple]

tell im to run rune of sanguination, will straight up increase his st by like 5% alone

[undone beacon]

He… is

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JMvBHqKW8Dkh9VYR

If you wanna rip these logs apart

I love my guild but we are not good

[small steeple]

I usually main bdk so let me see lol

Um ok

[undone beacon]

LMAO

[small steeple]

He has so many empty globals

This is the casts of the rank 2 bdk sprocket log

[sharp gale]

I can’t play the zugzug build on sprocket bc of aggro

[small steeple]

This is your co-tank

Missing about 33% of total possible casts, with 44 cpm vs the 66 cpm

[undone beacon]

Oh Jesus, yeah

[sharp gale]

You always need to check if he takes the tankbuster in rankings, but it is too much of diff, yeah your cotank needs Jesus

[undone beacon]

We do have him taking the party packs right now but even then, it seems like a wide gulf

[small steeple]

Yeah pretty extreme

[undone beacon]

And like, when he’s out with a pack is not when I’m ripping off him lol

The time he’s out should not give me that much of a lead over him, he’s just behind on his damage

[sharp gale]

Yes but if you took few party packs yourself, you would know it doesn’t take 1/3 of your time in a min

[undone beacon]

For sure. I was taking them before and still ripping aggro

[small steeple]

Yeah, if I was at pc I could check just how much rp he’s wasting because damn the ratio of hs to ds is fucked

[undone beacon]

I don’t BDK, too much hs and not enough ds?

[small steeple]

Well bdk players often hold runic power and waste it, which loses an absolute ton of damage, especially with Sam Layan as their death strike is super sayan

It really depends on his resource economy but at a brief glance it might not be good

[undone beacon]

Hm. I’ll bring that up with him tomorrow before raid and see if we can hammer that out because I never had threat issues with our old bdk ToT

appreciate the glance through

[small steeple]

Yeah no problem

[small steeple]

yeah thats very high

[undone beacon]

oof, yeah not great

[sharp gale]

The issue is : he doesn’t press buttons, and bdk specifically, he don’t press death strike like he should

What I’m guessing

You death strike almost every gcd

I changed my weakaura rune bar to change color above 2 death strike worth of rp, just to have always enough rp to death strike for the heal

[small steeple]

death strike or heartstrike? you DS to prevent overcap, or when you need healing, or need to keep collugalpy buff up, otherwise, HS,

[sharp gale]

Yes, so you are around 80-90 rp, every builder puts you close to the overcap, you death strike, you builder again, death strike, builder again, you are again close to 80-90

[small steeple]

ye

just wanted to make sure i was reading it right lol

[sharp gale]

Well it is the best damage button to press as bdk on ST

• it maintains shield buff 25% more phys damage

[small steeple]

yeah

[sharp gale]

And it procs vamp strikes

[small steeple]

it's a balancing act

[sharp gale]

I checked, it is the 3rd prio on bdk, press death strike at around 75 rp

[small steeple]

checks out

[undone beacon]

I’ll relay back to my cotank and see if we can get him doing better lol

[sharp gale]

have you told him tome is a rly good trinket ?

[undone beacon]

I thought all tanks would’ve known that but I’ll make mention smh

[sharp gale]

maybe gently direct him to use a dinar

it is 130k of your dps just the damage proc x)

just his opener is weird to me

at 22 sec he taunts the boss, goes explode

the lack of death advance cast is a sign of "learning" player to be nice

his class talent is very questionable

[cerulean tusk]

Guy clearly isn't the best, ya sure trying to have him use tome is the best option?

[sharp gale]

the worst you are, the better damage proc trinkets are

[cerulean tusk]

Still gotta press the button to get the peoc consistently

Heck, he might even sabotage his uptime

[sharp gale]

i'm sure pash can make him install the weakaura, set up to make it scream, and on sprocket you have to press it once in the entire fight if i remember

[cerulean tusk]

I have no faith

[sharp gale]

yeah, but it would be better than stat sticks if he is below average player

[cerulean tusk]

Only if he doesn't fuck it up

Just have him use whatever passive stick he got

[sharp gale]

but just the class tree, he takes kick and mass stop on sprocket (he could take 25% speed on death advance and free 12% dr)

he doesn't need to make his dnd slow 90% and grab 6% armor

[cerulean tusk]

Not having DND slow hurts my soul I get it, raid... But still

[sharp gale]

i wish it slowed allies too

[cerulean tusk]

the dream

[sharp gale]

we need more troll spells in wow

[cerulean tusk]

Not really no, grip and miss direct is enough for me

The jokester always go to far

[sharp gale]

bop is a good one

[cerulean tusk]

Got cancel aura on all my buttons

[sharp gale]

lies

feet pic or fake

[cerulean tusk]

Mods plz

[lusty grotto]

mwahi make monkahmm an emoji for all

i demand it!

[sharp gale]

my lil brother started wow, i accidentally let a "oh no" out of my mouth

[lusty grotto]

we need monkahmm!

lmao happy

my younger brother plays with me, its fine

but then again hes a full adult with a kid c:

[sharp gale]

yeah i just don't want him to be addicted like me, but he plays classic hardcore so it's fine

[ionic fern]

[cerulean tusk]

It is, till he surpasses you every season. Happy will be surpassed sooner than most

[lusty grotto]

somehow thats even worse

classic hardcore lol

[sharp gale]

it is trending in france bc a streamer plays it

[lusty grotto]

my brother beats me in every game

except

WoW

and mmos

[sharp gale]

i beat my brother

[lusty grotto]

i trained him well

hes a better FPS player, a better RTS player, a better smash/fighting game player

[sharp gale]

i think i beat him on LoL

[lusty grotto]

a better dota player too

but he cant beat me in mmos

[cerulean tusk]

He is Nim, but better

[lusty grotto]

he can kick my ass in mario kart too

[sharp gale]

But outside of my playfield (wow and paradox games), i get demolished 100%

[pallid quiver]

that last one, enter my forge, nim

i shall craft you to be a destroyer

[cerulean tusk]

[lusty grotto]

lmao

im waiting on my nephew

gonna train him like mr miyagi

and then my bro can train him

[sharp gale]

too bad my younger bro (we are 3) is a fortnite kid, i couldn't train him

[cerulean tusk]

Sure you can, just spray water on him every time he flosses

[slender bison]

Anyone picking up MoP in July? Was Prot ok or will they rework stuff?

[sharp gale]

HE DOES FLOSS

[cerulean tusk]

My condolences

[sharp gale]

too close of a season + summer, I might not play

[slender bison]

Close to S3?

[ionic fern]

[slender bison]

S3 is like mid-late Aug

[sharp gale]

i bet on mid august

[ionic fern]

I gotchu.

[cerulean tusk]

[sharp gale]

you have season engine to pre-start, and you don't finish mop in 1 week

[cerulean tusk]

... Just mop it up

I will leave now

[sharp gale]

https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-spray-begone-goaway-gif-13162288

[lusty grotto]

mwahi best mod

forever

[sharp gale]

btw i finished subnautica 100% a recommend

[lusty grotto]

yeah its a good game

[small steeple]

[jagged pier]

[frosty mango]

typical jock vs nerd story

[remote dawn]

how muc haste we need for itf unbuffed?

[lusty grotto]

16k with 4pc at a bare minimum to swap to ITF

otherwise you run HR

and do not be scared to just run HR all the way to 19k+ haste

no shame in doing so if you feel like your SB uptime is suffering

[south zealot]

twitch prime

[lusty grotto]

sup choco

[south zealot]

idk i just got here

[hearty kettle]

Hi, where you guys get your routes from and also where you save them? For now i use the keystoneguru, but yeah not sure if this is the way.

[lusty grotto]

welcome back

[jagged pier]

Then theres me with like 15k haste running itf

[lusty grotto]

yeah but youre you

[jagged pier]

I also only raid logging so and haste dont matter too much there

[jagged pier]

Could run 13k but its a dps loss

[lusty grotto]

understandable lol

[lusty grotto]

just save them in MDT and/or keystone.guru or threechest.io

i save them in my mind

but if i need a reference i load up threechest

or MDT

[jagged pier]

Sad dropping cauldron ring but jastors is simming higher

[hearty kettle]

@lusty grotto yeah i dont want to create my own tbh, i just want to see for example which is pug friendly for a 15.

[lusty grotto]

i just put a screenshot

[hearty kettle]

And then check it or share it real quick with them team

[lusty grotto]

where you can find them

you export from the site and then import through MDT

same in any site really

[hearty kettle]

is threechest showing references or the best soruce is raider.io?

[lusty grotto]

the best source for base routes is raider.io in my experience yes

base routes

the key word is base

[jagged pier]

W key best source of routes

[lusty grotto]

that too

[remote dawn]

kk iam @ 18,3k unbuffed so itf 😄

[lusty grotto]

threechest doesnt have a lot of routes, its just an MDT replacement for your 2nd monitor

and keystone.guru has a lot of people with cooked up routes that are probably whack as fuck

but you can still use the site to view yours by importing/exporting

and raider.io already uses it to display theirs

[hearty kettle]

okay i will check it out on raider io ty

[lusty grotto]

this is the direct link

[hearty kettle]

another question.. i have problem in DF with picking up candle, i cant click it... any possibility to bind it?

[lusty grotto]

https://raider.io/weekly-routes

click it?

you use the action button

what do you mean click it

i hope you mean clicking the button at the very least

[hearty kettle]

yeah i always click action buttons. And im not getting it where i can bind it somewhere else.

[lusty grotto]

you can make a macro

but im pretty sure WoW has a way to bind them by default

[hearty kettle]

yes i dont want to click with mouse. I want to use macro or a action button. But i dont find where...

[lusty grotto]

/click ExtraActionButton1

[hearty kettle]

Because with mouse its always hidden behind something

[lusty grotto]

make a macro with that

and bind it

that should be enough, if theres 2 buttons then you just do ExtraActionButton2 on a separate bind

the key binding menu does include it btw

[hearty kettle]

sounds good! ty

Do you use the same?

[lusty grotto]

i macro it yes

but ive been known to click it

cause i swap it with encounters that need a WA macro

like smolderon 😬

[sharp merlin]

As a tank on rookery 2nd boss, am I expected to run out to range and give them the debuff?

Or should they be coming in?

[sharp pasture]

I can pick items form 1st to 5ft in mm what i should pick?

[lusty grotto]

can you clarify

what is mm

and what does 1st to 5ft mean

[lusty grotto]

there's no static way of doing it

you can do both or neither

it doesnt matter as long as people are getting it once for the 4 jumps

[sharp pasture]

Mithic raid

[lusty grotto]

mythic raid

[sharp pasture]

i have killed the 5 first bosses

[lusty grotto]

ok then not ft, cause that's feet

[sharp merlin]

Yeah I had two range players sitting in Narnia and me and pally were the only ones taking it ahaha

And they were like “U IDIOT TANK”

[lusty grotto]

in that case you can just move to them

you dont have to hug them

just be the closest target

[sharp merlin]

I’ll use innervate on them muahaha

[lusty grotto]

what

this is skyhold not dreamgrove

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

you pick nothing from the first 5

[sharp merlin]

I meant intervene

Hahaha sorry!

[sharp pasture]

I didnt kill the bosses to get the House of cards, Jastor or Titan in myth

[lusty grotto]

right

cause those arent the first 5

just wait until you get to OAB

and then make some buys there

no reason to just buy stuff you dont want right away

[brisk dune]

hey guys! anyone can tell me where i can find WA for spell reflect for S2? at Wago i only can find S1 WA

[rough egret]

hi, https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

[brisk dune]

thanks u so much!

[rough egret]

Hi, are you using the crit flask over the Alchemical Chaos?

[ionic fern]

Nope.

[sharp merlin]

I personally use Vers flask on ML / PSF / Flood on certain bosses, but I might be wrong; and then switch back to Haste flask

[warm plinth]

That's like

1.8% DR

[jagged pier]

.9% DR is yuge

[ionic nimbus]

To spend capacity into vers is not bad. Vers and Crit are pretty close and with Pacemaker you are getting easily into DR for crit.

[native ember]

at what ilvl ring should i be dropping my circlet ring ?

[chilly brook]

When it sims worse

Or when you’re tired of losing out on a ton of haste

[native ember]

word much appreciated

[magic sail]

I need to go get that ring

[inner plank]

Is it fine to have a macro with Shield Slam and Shield Block and Ignore Pain, and replace the default Shield Slam with it ?

[nocturne spindle]

No

[inner plank]

🤔 what would be the issue ? I should keep Shield Block up at all times, so might as well macro it somewhere...?

[hardy snow]

but you dont always want to spam SB

if you can lose some seconds due to cap or you have plenty of sb remaining but low on rage etc.

[neat nacelle]

guys very simple questions... how do you maintain shield block 100% uptime if you have 2 charges with 14 seconds cd and the duration is 8 seconds?
also for the colossus m+ talents, is it always true that ravage as higher priority than execute? when do i use execute?

[round pendant]

shield charge gives shield block + 4p gives shield charge cdr

[inner plank]

Shield Slam extends Shield Block by one second

[solid sun]

Only if you talent into HR. If you have enough haste you talent into ITF and then you won’t have HR anymore.

[neat nacelle]

The m+ talents play into the fray instead of that talent?

Ty for your answers

what about the execute part?

[round pendant]

for ITF you need 16k haste + 4p

[solid sun]

And most of us run more haste than that

[neat nacelle]

Amazing so I play HR if i have no gear

[round pendant]

yea

[neat nacelle]

I do not understand execute, on wowhead guide it has less priority than ravage so why would i ever use that spell?

[lime urchin]

you only need to have Shield Block up when taking blockable damage and when pressing Shield Slam!

[round pendant]

[solid sun]

When am I not trying to press shield slam

[round pendant]

Execute is good in raid with the execute build

but other than that I almost never press it

I try to use it on bosses but honestly I can't tell if I do more damage than just spamming revenge

since revenge gives rage refunds

[hardy snow]

and revenge in 3+ targets, if playing colo, gives colossal might stacks

[neat nacelle]

amazing thanks so i can basically unbind execute in m+

[solid sun]

Huh

[round pendant]

nah I think it's worth pressing over revenge on <2 targets

as long as you spend the full 40 rage

if you're buffed it slaps too

[hardy snow]

it can be useful on bosses

[jagged pier]

Never

[solid sun]

Sorry I was being sarcastic

[fathom forge]

lol you woke the admin with that comment xD

[solid sun]

He’s not an admin

He’s Jakey

[round pendant]

my issue is that it only really feels good buffed when it can hit like 4m every press

so I feel like it's only worth using in higher keys where that last 20% actually lasts a bit

🤔

damn I wanna go execute rookery final boss now

[crimson river]

Yooo, what leg enchant do we go? I see people doing 2 different ones

[round pendant]

defender's armor kit

[crimson river]

Why not stormbound?

[round pendant]

armor best stat

[crimson river]

Armor doesn't help with magic though, isn't that where we are weak?

[fathom forge]

huh? do you actually need the extra armor though????

[round pendant]

Armor's the most important stat for your tankiness

and it gives strength

because of Armored to The Teeth

[crimson river]

I'm convinced

[round pendant]

regarding magic, that's mainly a just playing correctly thing

[hardy snow]

and when it hits for 1m it feels worse than revenge hitting for, lets say, 400k? 🤷‍♂️

[crimson river]

Thanks @round pendant

[round pendant]

somehow, yes

lmao I didn't say it makes sense

I do gotta press it more

but

[frosty mango]

That leg enchant ain’t helping with magic either, that’s like wrapping yourself in tinfoil and running into a fire

Like yes technically it’s doing something

[jagged pier]

Thats not why we take it, its just a slight increase because armoured to the teeth over the other

[slender bison]

Revenge has higher priority because you want to snipe for shield slam resets. Execute is just a rage dump. Honestly, execute is in a bad place right now for all warr specs.

[jagged pier]

That armour gunna do nothing for tankiness and tbh does nothing for damage just slightly more than the other nothing from the other one

[round pendant]

Yeah it's small but it's better than stamina

just like you said

[urban portal]

Doesn’t execute and revenge both reset shield slam

Yeah they both do

Revenge just costs less rage

[crimson river]

Our ignore pain scales off of hp or strength?

[frosty mango]

I don’t think execute is in a bad place

I think fight design doesn’t support it

[pallid quiver]

Um, acktually, if you have 20 rage, they both cost the same 🙂

[slender bison]

Actually Revenge spam - Shield Slam procs - Violent Outburst - Shield Slam should be general rotation for say every chill single target situations - King Mekagon, Rookery 1/3 bosses etc

Shield Slam procs are more valuable than Execute

[round pendant]

You can get more revenges though so more ss resets 🤔

[pallid quiver]

IP's per value scales off attack power iirc

and its cap is 30% of max hp

[frosty mango]

Execute is pretty impactful if you can keep up jugg with add sniping which is representative of skill expression but there aren’t many add fights

[round pendant]

yeah execute is good in raid

[crimson river]

@pallid quiver gracies

[frosty mango]

But execute phases don’t last long

So if you’re just relying on execute at 35 and below you’re gonna be disappointed

By the time you stack jugg the boss is already mostly dead

[round pendant]

I want sudden death to just be a baseline thing

it's fun

make it cleave too

[slender bison]

And make the mobs bleed for 5000% weapon damage

[round pendant]

huge

[urban portal]

No way boomer said weapon damage

[slender bison]

Guilty

[frosty mango]

Imo we had the dragonflight tier set in s3 and then they balanced execute around that and never gave it a new pass

So it’s just been stuck in poop land since

Not good but not bad

[slender bison]

Well these 1 hour queues for 17s are not helping and my sub expired. Time to roll out Satisfactory 1.1

Was a good sesson

[frosty mango]

What server you on

[slender bison]

Europe

[frosty mango]

Ah

Was gonna say that must be a tiny server

[chilly brook]

I know for a fact I’m falling giga behind because of this work trip lol

Oof yeah I was like top 50 region

[urban portal]

It hasn’t been good for a long time

Not because of df s3

[frosty mango]

Df s3 propped it up and imo because of that it was never properly looked at

For dps specs

[urban portal]

And how does df s3 have anything to do with execute

It’s shield slam and bleeds

[frosty mango]

The conversation was about all warrior specs

[urban portal]

Oh ye

But no

The reason why exec is bad

Is because of talent trees

[frosty mango]

Don’t disagree

[urban portal]

In shadowlands execute was hitting for 50-60% more than it does now

But that was allowed for prot warrior

Since prot had no sd no jug no mass

[frosty mango]

I’m saying arms was getting use from it at the end of df so it probably got ignored more than it should have

[urban portal]

No? Arms is still using it

Arms execute is fine

[dusky canopy]

Need more Zug!!

[urban portal]

It’s go too many weakauras pre 35

thats the only issue

And that’s also a jug issue not a execute issue

[dusky canopy]

I love juggernaut stack slot machine

[urban portal]

If anything they had to do a lot more work on arms so it’s not pressing execute x50

[dusky canopy]

[urban portal]

Prot execute in sl was the hardest hitting spell in the game

For a rotational spell

[frosty mango]

They just need to make execute sound like a big boom

And not a whoosh

Then it would be instantly better

[slender bison]

Not before shield slam frying pan

[frosty mango]

They can use the same sound

In fact just make all warrior skills use the explosive shot sound

[slender bison]

Demolish doest sound like a blunt giga smash trauma, more like you're filetting the fish

[frosty mango]

Imagine

If it was just boom boom boom boom boom boooom

[tardy juniper]

Hi guys. I am trying to tank some higher keys 15 and 16's

Trinket wise it makes most sense to use 2 on use shield trinkets - Ritual Mud and Bombsuit and I sit in defensive stance the whole dungoen

Is that all sensible or should I be able to survive without doing all of that?

[crimson river]

You should be able to survive without that

[urban portal]

You don’t need double defensive trinkets

But defensive stance should be standard yes

[frosty mango]

15/16 you can use pacemaker plus tome

You should always be in defensive stance

[slender bison]

Just Mud+ talent BsV for Dailcry/Momma. Otherwise dmg trinkets

[sweet summit]

I wouldn't say always ☝️ 🤓

[frosty mango]

For the purposes of people asking which trinkets to use they should always be in defensive stance

[tardy juniper]

Ok guys useful advice. I main DPS but enjoying Tanking and wanting to push the keys up a bit higher

Defensive stance makes sense

what is BsV?

Momma , 1st boss from floodgate

Sorry what is Dailcry?

[warm plinth]

Battle scarred veteran

[frosty mango]

Bsv is battle scarred veteran, last warrior talent on the prot tree in the middle

[warm plinth]

Bottom middle talent in spec tree

[frosty mango]

Dailcry is the first boss in priory

[warm plinth]

Dailcry is

[tardy juniper]

ah yes is that a bleed boss

[warm plinth]

🏃‍♂️

Yes

[tardy juniper]

Yeah they such

suck lol

[warm plinth]

Always do pretty much

[tardy juniper]

Having a tough time funnily enough with Taskmaster Askari in Motherload on 16's

[crimson river]

That's not funny

She's a bitch

[warm plinth]

When he stops to do his aoe, you can just put a little distance and it should have a chance to reset

Just dont outrange your healer

[crimson river]

Wait, I thought you meant Rixxa Fluxflame

[tardy juniper]

Yeah FLuxflame sucks too but seem to be able to handle the bleed ability better with spell block

[warm plinth]

Hers isn't a bleed. Her auto attack is spell damage.

But yeah spell block and SR both great there

[tardy juniper]

Oh one more thing, I tend to dump rage mostly into Revenge for AOE cleave and very rarely use ignore pain

Is IP something I want to use more often?

[warm plinth]

Considering you said very rarely, I would say yes.

Your main rage dump is going to be revenge but you need to use IP quite a lot to prevent overcapping rage. If you're very rarely pressing it, you're probably wasting a ton of rage to overcapping.

[tardy juniper]

I tend to find if I use IP once or even twice I end up slightly rage starved.....

[round cliff]

twice is too much obvi

[tardy juniper]

as it eats up my rage bar whereas Revenge seems to be kinder on it

[warm plinth]

Do you have any logs?

[mighty valley]

when you first pull and you

ACK

when you first pull and you're chaining all your CDs, you barely have time to press revenge and you still need to avoid overcapping

if you're pressing shield slam on CD, you should find there are times when you're up at 70-80 rage and it's not gonna be possible to exclusively dump it into revenge

[warm plinth]

Especially since you could reset SS and gain that rage right back

[frosty mango]

Create weakaura that makes annoying noise when rage > 70 or 75

Press ip to stop annoying noise

Be happy

One day notice noise has stopped completely

Congratulations you have Pavlov’d yourself

[nocturne spindle]

i make an annoying noise and text jump in my face

10/10 would recommend

[round pendant]

did you die?

[mighty valley]

I pressed enter on the message above before I was done lol

[solid sun]

Professional writer

(Unrelated)

[undone beacon]

Y'all see the big class changes for 11.1.7

New Ability: Recuperate – Take a breather, prepare some food and have a meal. Restores 50% of your maximum health over 10 seconds.

[stiff raven]

hi folks,
shall this macro go like this :

#showtooltip Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
/cast Ignore Pain

or the other way around ?

[small steeple]

"Take a breather"

is that you roadhog? is your asthma acting up?

[small steeple]

doesn't matter

IP isn't on the gcd

[undone beacon]

This is the death of generic vendor food

I am shaking and crying

[small steeple]

its the death of mage mana nbuns

after raid wipe

[undone beacon]

good

anything to kick mages in the shins

freakin nerds

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-its-genuinely-over-seal-sad-seal-breaking-news-gif-243396507301445550

all mages

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-fish-pogging-currently-gif-2252544987340524926

cant wait to be a 1-button andy

[lusty grotto]

[mighty valley]

recuperate doesn't restore mana, so

still a niche there

[jagged gust]

I think a good minority of my guild will benefit from being a 1 button Andy, I'm just hoping it gets us a Sprocket kill

[dusky canopy]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/966342876109885500/WuLoB9ellc-1.gif

[lusty grotto]

lol

[chilly brook]

Nah because it doesn’t restore mana

[kind urchin]

My buddy just got his critical care flight wings as a life flight medic. Just wanted to share that.

[lusty grotto]

thats awesome

[frosty mango]

I dunno I was testing it on ptr

Sorry to tell you I don’t think it’s gonna help lol

My spriest was getting a huge 900k single target at 670 lol

[undone beacon]

I know spriests doing less with more

You'd be shocked

[frosty mango]

I really wouldn’t, lol

[frosty mango]

Speaking of this

When was the last time prot didn’t take devastator

[small steeple]

maybe bfa? big maybe

i remember using devestate then but I was brand new to game then

[lusty grotto]

bfa yes

we didnt run devastator in bfa except for ST parsing

from SL onwards we ran devastator

[frosty mango]

So been a constant for half a decade maybe they just bake it in at this point

[small steeple]

baking stuff in kinda goes against the whole skill tree they tried doing

[undone beacon]

I wish they would give swipe the devestator treatment

[lusty grotto]

devAAAAAstator

devAAAAstate

[undone beacon]

ope

I spell it devestate so i pronounce it dee-vee-state

[lusty grotto]

youre not the only one

spelling it incorrectly

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356461020851474472/1362664398086213632/image0.gif

[small steeple]

calling me out i see lol

[lusty grotto]

lmao

its just a common misspelling

[frosty mango]

I just need a top 16 and they don’t exist

[undone beacon]

haha this guy said he needs TOP

get it?!?!

[solid sun]

Theater of Pain?

[stone condor]

greetings this maybe sounds like a stupid question but does it make sense to sim as a tank and if so what do you sim

because as a dps it´s pretty clear for dmg but as a tank you cant sim survivability

[lusty grotto]

yes we sim as tanks

thats what we do

the only slots that you dont follow sims on are shields (which is ilvl > all anyway) and defensive trinkets (bombsuit and mud)

thats it

[stone condor]

yeah but you cant sim survivability

[lusty grotto]

turns out

your secondaries

are both offensive and defensive

so we sim them out

cause if you gain dps from them, youre gaining defensiveness

we're well aware "you cant sim defensiveness"

we still sim

[stone condor]

does this work for all tanks

[lusty grotto]

yes

all tanks sim

every tank discord will tell you to do so

its not complicated

[solid sun]

The robots have taken over

Questionably epic lets healers sim, too! I think

[lusty grotto]

yes thats the healer sim site

[solar skiff]

The the QE live site. Right?

[stone condor]

is ask mr.robot a legit sim site or would you rather prefer raidbots

[solid sun]

Raidbots

[lusty grotto]

dont use mr robot

[small steeple]

What’s ask mr robot? Never heard of it

[lusty grotto]

ever

ask mr robot, a meme site

that claims to have a defensive sim

which has been questionable for like 4 expasions

[frosty mango]

someone asked me about st dps in dungeon spec on higher key bosses the other day and I said I'd get back to you with and I didnt

[cerulean tusk]

I trust in mr Roidberg

[frosty mango]

but whoever it was that asked me thats candle boss on a 16 dfc

[cerulean tusk]

Pretty low, no?

[frosty mango]

we were talking about the diff between being able to stay in melee

and not

that boss has 100% uptime and its a pretty large diff in dps

[cerulean tusk]

Uptime is giga, so makes sense

[frosty mango]

dps are always running candles there so they have poop uptime

[cerulean tusk]

I don't, healer job

Maybe in 17 I will consider to leap to one candle 🕯️

[frosty mango]

lol

if the healer can handle it keep sending

or just bring a monk, roll op for candles

[cerulean tusk]

Or just two ranged DPS

Then melee can always skip it

[lusty grotto]

leap+cast costs little

on aoe at least

whoever gets circle gets theirs

thats it

[cerulean tusk]

I refuse to leave candle if avatar is running

[lusty grotto]

oh

yeah same

🤝

[cerulean tusk]

The most cursed boss is the duo bomb boss... Get bomb, run out. Get arrow, wait... Then get bomb

[heavy sparrow]

Did a 14ML a couple of days ago with this build, just straight damage.
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOBUVFREQgYVIpVEBANVUVFRERFVZUVQDUQAEVVVUBQ

[cerulean tusk]

Or ToP always going down 👎👎

[frosty mango]

Wouldn’t you get more net damage out of show of force and massacre

[cerulean tusk]

Guy is using roar and spear, it is about sending a message.

[frosty mango]

Also I think thunderous words is prob more damage than spear

[heavy sparrow]

Sec

[frosty mango]

I could be wrong here

but i think spear alone wont outweigh the roar bleed bonus during burst?

[lusty grotto]

thats such a cursed build

on an ML lol

"fuck spell block on rixxa i guess"

"fuck my aoe damage i guess"

not to mention that abomination of spear + troar without full talents

what do you even need spear for in ML lol

without the Piercing and Champ's Might

cant make the utility argument because nothing jumps there

[heavy sparrow]

No doubt on the show of force being my all time preference. I was nervous going into a 14 but not nervous enough to spec into BS apparently. To some degree I find single target bosses to be sometimes slow in pugs and I wanted more avatar uptime. This also means a free shield wall going into a pull

[lusty grotto]

what do you even mean more avatar uptime

theres literally no difference in avatar uptime between this and the standard build

meme'est build ever

[cerulean tusk]

Nim don't attack, let the man explain. I am bored waiting for the buss, and curious

[lusty grotto]

its my job, cat

[heavy sparrow]

No actually though I appreciate it. I'm a moron trying to learn too

[cerulean tusk]

Try to explain your logic

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-rubbing-hands-together-spice-adams-vyd3n-meme-man-behind-tree-meme-gif-2569343513927502347

[slender bison]

Upgraded Champ Spear is sick Vs bosses💪 but Roar more important for aggro packs

[frosty mango]

Actual video of Nim waiting for someone with a hot take

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOBUVBREUgYVIpRUBANVUVFRQRFVZUVQCVAEVVVUBQ

standard build

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAPBUVBREUgYVIoUFQBANVUVFRQRFVZUVQCVAEVVVUBQ spear build

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOBUVFREQgYVIpRUBANVUVFRERFVZUUUDRQAEVVVUBQ need BSV? and dont need Disrupting?

[cerulean tusk]

Meme aside, it will be easier to learn for you. To understand what things do and how they work, if we discuss what you want to achieve and how you go about to do it.

Many got ideas that seem logical, cause you don't have a decade worth of specialized wow experience

Opportunity cost is always the most underrated one

[slender bison]

Bro is doing 14s that's already top 5% warrs lmao

Field exp >>> theorycrafr

[cerulean tusk]

No way, 14s is weekly keys for vault

[lusty grotto]

if that was the case none of you would be here

and you would be following yoda's builds

and/or archon

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, I wouldn't. I played beta

[slender bison]

Technically I'm here to complain about VDHs

[lusty grotto]

or whatever garbage builds you find in 10s

[cerulean tusk]

I was fighting you guys

Saying prot was low dam

Shame on u

Only Nome had my back

[lusty grotto]

i mean, you did good

i just dont like to beta test for free

[cerulean tusk]

I was there to test Odyns Fury

Stayed to test the rest for fun

[lusty grotto]

there

i fixed all 3 to include crackling

second wind, lul

[slender bison]

If you're feeling bad, remember that Pain and Gain gives 300k hp every 10 seconds and it still went live

[mighty valley]

john fucking madden

[lusty grotto]

thats right

[frosty mango]

prot damage is still low

[lusty grotto]

thats the play

[frosty mango]

un nerf revenge

make warrior great again

lets go guys its time to light shit on fire

[cerulean tusk]

Ya clearly didn't play beta, if you say it was low during it

[heavy sparrow]

I 100% prefer show of force hands down, it's always superior. But there's something about sudden death with the free execute that makes bosses bearable.

Pain and gain > second wind, but had a feeling I would prefer my healer to top up dps over me pulling next pack

[jagged gust]

Never forget, they gave us barbaric training only to take it away a patch note later

[lusty grotto]

Pain and gain > second wind, but had a feeling I would prefer my healer to top up dps over me pulling next pack
neither of them are good

you know what makes bosse bearable?

Violent Outburst

[cerulean tusk]

Anyone that uses the arguement "I like it more", feel free to use it. Game is about enjoying the gameplay

[lusty grotto]

execute does little for colossus it doesnt stack Colossal Might

you're missing out

but hey

if you wanna play it, play it

[slender bison]

Show of Force is for Thane, not Colossus

[lusty grotto]

thats the least horrible pick in your build anyway

[lusty grotto]

no

???

[heavy sparrow]

This is basically what I do generally.
Although I give up the 1 point in heroic leap and put it into bitter immunity

[cerulean tusk]

Nim play nice, he called 14s xp better than our theorycrafters

[lusty grotto]

shrug

bitter immunity why though

non-dwarf im guessing