if not and u have to stand still
#protection
kind glen
Okay thank you
covert helm
You can look up Sense's vod if you want to see the human racial way of doing it
You could hypothetically use the pvp stun removal trinket as well
round cliff
back 2 org this week
kind glen
or just look at senses most recent mug'zee kill where he runs the gold
I went and looked for it, this seems like the best way to do it. Ty again for pointing me in the right direction
sharp gale
You could hypothetically use the pvp stun removal trinket as well
i need to grab the trinket, i might tank mug in future weeks, i don't want to do it as bdk
frosty mango
i need to grab the trinket, i might tank mug in future weeks, i don't want to do...
Seems awful tbh
So slow
jagged pier
i need to grab the trinket, i might tank mug in future weeks, i don't want to do...
u dont need it as bdk
u have ibf
warm plinth
back 2 org this week
Hurray amirite?!
frosty mango
I want a cool brand
Anyone doing 17/18 content? I’ve been contemplating going back to tome for most keys with the exception of priory (because fuck dailcry) - at 683 it feels like I’m tanky enough
I’m currently in 16-17 range and have started dropping back to tome and have felt no difference really
mild river
which app do you guys use to record your gameplay? I'm using windows and i'd like to do that to watch my mistakes later 😛
undone beacon
which app do you guys use to record your gameplay? I'm using windows and i'd lik...
warcraftrecorder
It's free, built on OBS and optimized to record gameplay alongside simplecombatlogger
Been using it myself and its been very nice for going back and seeing who fucked up
frosty mango
I found it
round cliff
https://tenor.com/view/pepe-frog-gif-27124187
MAKE IT ZUG MAKE IT ZUG
dusky canopy
They’re not going to do it
Archi generally maintains a meme free look for skyhold
Strict with what’s pinned etc
Still would be sick if it was Zug
frosty mango
Archi generally maintains a meme free look for skyhold
As he should
We are the only memecentric channel
I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing
gray tundra
For a beginner prot warrior what hero talents are better for survivability
dusky canopy
Thane
paper crypt
Where do I see % of hits blocked so I know if I'm getting hit in the back a lot?
On warcraft logs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mn7vrzgZpF9X8f1C?fight=33&type=damage-taken is it the 44.89% here?
frosty mango
Where do I see % of hits blocked so I know if I'm getting hit in the back a lot?
Click your name, then in the melee row mouse over mitigated
mousing over hits shows blocked hits, mitigated shows parry/dodge
If you click the shield block filter before you do
then you can see how many times you were hit in the back (unblocked melee while shield block up)
paper crypt
Ok so I'm blocking 70.09% of melee hits while shield block is up. What is a good number? Is that too low?
frosty mango
yes, it should be in the 90s
paper crypt
Oh dear. Okay I'll work on that. Is there a better way to gather guys so that I'm not getting hit in the back as much when moving to the next pack? I suspect that's probably at least half of those.
frosty mango
this is mine from a 16 priory for reference
frosty mango
Oh dear. Okay I'll work on that. Is there a better way to gather guys so that I'...
Yes, using your leap effectively, using ravager at range
I'd suggest watching some vods of sense or quazii or meeres and watching how they handle pulling, you wont play exactly like them but it will give you an idea of the cadence of how to gather
paper crypt
Oh it's 86.37%, I was mousing over the wrong thing. Which is still bad but not quite as bad
Thanks for your help
raven light
Same thing with priests shields
frosty mango
Same thing with priests shields
I'm going to test this tonight
had to find the right friends lol
paper crypt
Crazy that pierce armor is 200m damage from just 11 hits
cerulean tusk
Oh dear. Okay I'll work on that. Is there a better way to gather guys so that I'...
If you strafe run, you can block ahead, your side and behind as you run. Just remember to keep the mobs coming from the right side 
To avoid mobs surrounding you, backpedal once in a while a step or two. This also will have mobs pixel stack for longer (great for DPS and demolish). You can use this strat as you gather as well, but it is slower than strafing.
paper crypt
I was 91.78% blocked in the 10 priory, so I guess that means I need to pull better in rookery
paper crypt
If you strafe run, you can block ahead, your side and behind as you run. Just re...
Appreciate that, will give it a try after reset
Is it 180 degrees?
cerulean tusk
A bit more
But basically ya just keep the pie turned correctly, and ya shouldnt be wacked
paper crypt
This kind of nuance is why tanking is so fun for me
Clear ways to improve that aren't only hit more buttons you ape
paper crypt
I feel like my prot damage is okay, but the goal is go from okay to above average or even good once I get from "rarely die" to "never die"
Warcraftlogs is not giving me a parse on it for some reason so can't compare
frosty mango
you wont get a damage parse unless you log the key
paper crypt
I log literally everything 🙂
paper crypt
Ah
Yeah bit too low
Trying to work on it though
It's crazy that people are able to do +19-+21 when down here at lowly +10 we have 200 interrupts across the group and casts are still going off o.O
Level of coordination must be crazy
frosty mango
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/Mn7vrzgZpF9X8f1C/4xvt1Yad7qcgQXMZ?fight=33&type=damage-done&source=313%2C950 here's a comparison of a 10 rook I ran kind of recently
should give you a start to draw conclusions
paper crypt
You are generating waaaaay more rage than I am. Interesting
I mitigated more damage but not that much more
frosty mango
keep in mind I have way more gear than you but what stands out immediately is a few things
1 - your haste is very low, too low to run in the fray, you should aim for like 16-18k min
2 - you're casting ignore pain way too much. You only need to cast it to prevent rage overcap (when you're >70 rage). This is costing you a ton of revenge casts and therefore tons of damage
3 - too many thunderclaps. As colossus you only need to clap to fill a gap in your rotation, set up rend, or gather. Otherwise revenge instead
frosty mango
You are generating waaaaay more rage than I am. Interesting
you actually generated 1000 more rage than me over the key (your key was much longer)
paper crypt
Ah. I cast ignore pain 5 times as much as you did and you cast revenge 4x as much as me. There's where the rage went. LOL
frosty mango
you are mitigating more damage because you are overcasting ignore pain
paper crypt
I was under the impression that you should cast ignore pain whenever you shield slam IF over ~70 rage.
frosty mango
are you binding IP to shield slam?
paper crypt
No
I just basically cast ignore pain after every shield slam unless I'm already low on rage
frosty mango
you really only need to IP if you are going to overcap rage
paper crypt
Which clearly is not as important as I thought
mighty valley
The goal is always have a button to press for every gcd (and as colossus, preferably revenge over thunderclap)
Missing a gcd means missing a chance to reset shield slam which means lower rage gen
So in summary… press more buttons you ape
paper crypt
I thought ignore pain was as important to maintain as shield block or more important
Will correct that now
Cheers
frosty mango
Which clearly is not as important as I thought
you could remove ignore pain from your bars and I doubt anyone would even notice until you got to like the 14-15 level
mighty valley
Common belief, they should put a sign up on the door of the class
frosty mango
dont remove it from your bars, just illustrating that its not a high priority cast
paper crypt
I'm going to try a key without using ignore pain at all (other than the auto procs from other abilities) and just see what happens damage wise. Then correct slowly in the other direction until there's a goldilocks balance.
That way I can correct the habit quicker. 🙂
undone beacon
I was using ignore pain like ironfur for way too long and boy did I feel like a brainlet when i found out why i sucked 
frosty mango
I'm going to try a key without using ignore pain at all (other than the auto pro...
dont do this
just make a weakaura that goes off when you hit 70 rage
paper crypt
Okay
mighty valley
In lower keys you’ll notice the mitigation less than the lack of cooldown reduction from anger management and violent outbursts
Just the act of spending rage is good, hence not wanting to overcap
frosty mango
I am also getting like double the damage efficiency out of demolish - a lot more than would be explained than the gear disparity, so try to make sure you are getting your demolish inside of avatar/demo shout when possible
it wont always align but it frequently will
frosty mango
Okay
From the gear front, farming a pacemaker from flood and a tome from prior will boost your damage immensely, and farming out better haste rings will also help a lot, jastors isn't great for prot, and cyces is not doing much for you now because of your low haste.
lime urchin
For ignore pain spammers there is a beautiful macro:
showtooltip ignore pain
/cast revenj
frosty mango
For ignore pain spammers there is a beautiful macro:
showtooltip ignore pain
/ca...
I was about to chastise you then actually read this 😂
paper crypt
From the gear front, farming a pacemaker from flood and a tome from prior will b...
My gear is mostly because I play and enjoy all three specs and do not have the gilded crests or sparks to maximize every one of them. I originally crafted everforged legs and chestpiece but they are in the bank because I realized I need the set bonus.
This is my first season playing WoW as I am a new player who started in mid-April. There is so much to learn. Will be better spending those sparks and crests as I get more of them esp going into next season
I do have many other trinkets and a 5k haste ring. Thought jastor's diamond was better 🤔
frosty mango
pacemaker is good for all three specs, tome is only for tanks but it is far and away better than every other trinket
by miles
paper crypt
Gotcha
frosty mango
you're using logs, and you're here asking for help so youre already better than like 90% of the people playing
paper crypt
Not trying to be an askhole as I do try to fully utilize every piece of advice I receive. Just it's a slow process to learn everything 🙂
frosty mango
I was using ignore pain like ironfur for way too long and boy did I feel like a ...
im gearing a bear right now, I went to a 10 last night at 630 and just smashed ironfur, thrash, and moonfire with lunar beam
paper crypt
Guardian druid is really fun
frosty mango
its so much easier than any other tank spec
frosty mango
im gearing a bear right now, I went to a 10 last night at 630 and just smashed i...
they doubted my skill
but I showed them
paper crypt
Yeah but you get to viciously claw the crap out of everything while taking almost no attack damage which makes it A+ regardless of difficulty
solid sun
Playing bear is pretty fun
But sometimes I get hurt pretty hard and pretend to be a bdk because the regen thing is crazy
undone beacon
im gearing a bear right now, I went to a 10 last night at 630 and just smashed i...
Yeah that sounds about right
Make sure to hit mangle too
undone beacon
Guardian druid is really fun
Facts
Bear is super chill to play and has super smooth intake
paper crypt
There's no possible way that someone with bear in their name could be biased in any way
:^)
undone beacon
Nope
No bias
Never
Unironically though I'm enjoying pushing on the bear more than the warr rn
I have threat issues with warr that aren't there with bear
I just wish I played bear in SL because Venthyr Bear looks like it was turbo fun
frosty mango
Venthyr everything was fun
Two words, ashen hallow
Do you like 100 yard wide red consecrate because I like 100 yard wide red consecrate
cerulean tusk
I thought condemn was boring and counterproductive. it should instead of giving you 100 to 80 (the fastest shrinking portion of the fight), actually just condemn and increase execute dam by 90%
Bigger number more fun than more small number
Maldraxi MvP
idle copper
pacemaker is good for all three specs, tome is only for tanks but it is far and ...
Tome is better than Pacemaker?
frosty mango
for damage?
Usually you run both but if you are comparing the two yes tome is vastly better than literally any other trinket
cerulean tusk
For both
small steeple
For single target at least
frosty mango
yeah if were talking 5 target in burst then house of cards would be bis, probably followed by funhouse lens and then pacemaker/energy drink/mechanocore etc
but tome also offers a huge amount of defensive value via parry
small steeple
true
cerulean tusk
Dont underestimate the double crit value on use
small steeple
just ignore my 26k crit 😂
cerulean tusk
My 92% crit during press makes me happy 😁
frosty mango
If I were trying to run a pure pure damage setup I would probably run mythic HOC + energy drink
small steeple
zug zug
small steeple
If I were trying to run a pure pure damage setup I would probably run mythic HOC...
so much mastery
wait is energy drink mastery or highest secondary?
frosty mango
mastery
paper crypt
I have an 8/8 mythic sigil of algari concordance. Is that good for prot?
small steeple
raw AP is pretty strong
frosty mango
we already have high haste/crit at high gear levels, so mastery procs arent DRd as much which translates to huge damage boosts under burst conditions at high target counts
small steeple
I have an 8/8 mythic sigil of algari concordance. Is that good for prot?
(i think)
never actually used it
frosty mango
I have an 8/8 mythic sigil of algari concordance. Is that good for prot?
its not terrible, but there are better farmable options
small steeple
might sim it at that point then
ionic nimbus
its so much easier than any other tank spec
Gearing a Guardian aswell atm. Its very boring to play but i am interested whats possible with guardian. Pwar feels very massive, but i guardian feels on another level .. there is enogh time to test it
small steeple
bear is a brick shit house. sturdy
undone beacon
Bear damage actually isn’t half bad after all the flat buffs they’ve gotten
frosty mango
My cotank is similarly skilled to me and can’t pull out as much dps (but does well)
small steeple
plus they scale damage wise really well into massive aoe
frosty mango
But difference in intake is high
ionic nimbus
plus they scale damage wise really well into massive aoe
massive pulls is the only way to compete in DPS. Small pulls guardian falls massively behind pwar
small steeple
massive pulls is the only way to compete in DPS. Small pulls guardian falls mass...
well yeah, incarn=god mode for 30 seconds
are NA servers up yet?
ionic nimbus
well yeah, incarn=god mode for 30 seconds
lunarbeam with rage of the sleeper are fine short CDs aswell
small steeple
yeah
paper crypt
are NA servers up yet?
up
solid sun
Bear just doesn’t do damage in comparison to warrior
Everything else about it I enjoy quite a lot
near salmon
is it easier for bears to tank bosses like big momma and captain Dailcry ?
nocturne spindle
it still hurts alot but yea
basically every other tank is better on dot damage
since they all have some sort of self healing
near salmon
interesting. I will try a guardian druid then
undone beacon
Maybe I'm bad at prot but I find my bear and prot to be on relatively even keel
I just vibe with the bear ig
me go thrash
nocturne spindle
damage wise?
undone beacon
Yeah lol
nocturne spindle
then yea your just worse at warrior than bear
nocturne spindle
unless your god bear pulling 3m overalls
small steeple
squishvegan is that you?
undone beacon
I'm getting pretty close in certain keys
small steeple
lol
undone beacon
pfft
small steeple
I've seen a few 12 logs that were almost 4m overalls there
small steeple
yea idk how they do that magic
pulling half the dungeon at once oldschool MDI style lol
nocturne spindle
true
solid sun
I def don’t pull big enough
But when I pull bigger I feel like I’m gonna die
Maybe I’m just not cut out for being a super dungeon champion
small steeple
that sort of pull requires a premade group with coordinated stops, kicks, and externals
heavy sparrow
I need ways to reduce my crit. I'm at like 20.4k non procced
nocturne spindle
i still cant even live in the "normal" giga pull in priory with the boss
the first miniboss man
at least on 16+
game 2 hard plz nerf
heavy sparrow
I could probably reduce my crit and pump into verse I guess
solid sun
i still cant even live in the "normal" giga pull in priory with the boss
You talking like the four footmen with one knight pack and one fountain pack and Suleyman?
nocturne spindle
it was footman, knight, double fountain, suleyman
i could probably do single fountain might be easier
but ive just been doing footman, knight double fountain
then suleyman with alot of shit in the backroom
solid sun
No thanks I’ll pass on that. I do single fountain and we finally timed that dungeon in a 13. Even with a single fountain pack we had two party members die
And then people say well group up in melee and the snipers will jump in
An hour later the last one hops over
And it’s a pain maintaining threat on them until they do hop in melee
nocturne spindle
this is what ive been doin in 16/17
solid sun
I’ve been pulling Suley with the first pack and doing one fewer fountain pack with it
Casters with spear person that runs down
And then the two last fountain packs with that other group in your suley pack
I don’t pull anything on the right side stairs
small steeple
trying to find a shield that goes with this well, any suggestions?
solid sun
But I’m also just doing it on a 13 and haven’t even attempted 14 yet. Idk how much that changes the calculus
nocturne spindle
you just run up and throw once then it walks down while you do the miniboss
solid sun
I pull an extra caster pack over by where you fight the wizard boss
dusky canopy
Bulwark is the only shield in the game
solid sun
I could trade it out for the footmen though but they take forever to kill
solid sun
Nope
nocturne spindle
you mean the little 3
solid sun
Yuh
small steeple
i think I found it
nocturne spindle
might try this
solid sun
I like it
rugged plinth
Wont the mage boss auto pat into pull 4 and not be a part of pull 5? Or am I reading it wrong
small steeple
Wont the mage boss auto pat into pull 4 and not be a part of pull 5? Or am I rea...
yeah thats the only thing that might be weird
solid sun
If you can do boss with pull four you can burn that stuff down and then move to the two caster packs of five and finish the boss with them
cunning goblet
No knight / invis start to that place is so much more manageable.
nocturne spindle
oh
rugged plinth
Yeah if you can chain into pull 5 with the boss once 4 is dealt with. But the boss will be a part of pull 4
nocturne spindle
pull 3 as the pack
pull 4 would be boss
healy boss
swap 3 and 4
thats all
rugged plinth
Yeah you can do that
Chain 4 into 5 also works though as long as people are actually kicking.
Cause the adds will die before miniboss does
nocturne spindle
id prefer to do the big pat + 3 then the priest mini boss to let aoe interrupt get off CD
makes it ezpz
also only 1 prio target per pull that way
knight and miniboss respectively
chaining them makes knight live forever
rugged plinth
Yeah. Honestly that place sucks sometimes. If you dont have enough CC then those casts just eat people. I dont mind going slower in the first half of this place.
rugged plinth
On a 17 you are probably comped well too though. So shouldnt matter as much. Even more so if everyone knows the route and when to save stuff.
Not that im running 17s
nocturne spindle
were like semi pug with the people i usually run
usually 3 of us and 2 people join
solid sun
If you time it I get partial credit
I’ll photoshop my 13 priory to show I helped time a 17
rugged plinth
I need to start running as tank more. I just zug as fury though. Maybe next season
rugged plinth
I ran with an Aug yesterday. It was weirdly fun. I might pick mine back up. I know a lot of people either love or hate em. But it felt so smooth.
Only a 12 but still felt great compared to other 12s
frosty mango
Augs are solid now
Though if one of your dps die it’s super punishing
Since they don’t bring anything to the tank or healer now
jagged gust
Only a 12 but still felt great compared to other 12s
huh thats funny, havent seen a single aug this season until I ran a 12 with one last night
chilly brook
Aug is decent now
But it’s still worse than dev
Dev will outperform it 99.9999999 times out of 100
jagged gust
Even fury feels fine rn
nocturne spindle
but its still in the like
jagged gust
wow's finally healing
nocturne spindle
double dip mode
they have to be good and the dps theyre buffing have to be good
chilly brook
they got buffed like 15 times so
Only because they got unnecessarily kneecapped before the patch dropped
Aug was competitive but not OP or required on PTR after all the retuning
Then blizz just nuked it a week before launch of the patch lol
frosty mango
Even fury feels fine rn
patent scroll
Blizzard did one thing wrong with Aug
They didn't hit hard enough, the bastard somehow lived
echo egret
TOP : I skipped two minibosses in military wing, and one got pulled in the 1st pull of abo wing, how's that even possible ?
vocal cave
Thats a Nice cleave pull
patent scroll
I would assume it's a MC/guardian and pathing bugged, or then just pet pathing bugged and didn't teleport on top of the player when they jumped down 🤷
Logs might show if they hit something
strong forum
TOP : I skipped two minibosses in military wing, and one got pulled in the 1st p...
If you touch the first goop in the first Abo wing you pull the entire room
echo egret
aaaah
patent scroll
Huh, just another type of spaghet
strong forum
Yeah
Incredibly ancient tech and knowledge
Wait a second
Let me reread
Military and abom made me think of naxxramas.
My bad you meant ToP
gentle ore
Is there any way to see my party UHDK's death and decay?
strong forum
Nope
gentle ore
F
strong forum
Wait no, defile. You can see death and decay I think, but defile is 100% invisible
Should see the red bubbles
gentle ore
its the death and decay he's bitching about so
patent scroll
I think it does the funny thing where the cast kinda shows up but after that it fades real fast
strong forum
Put graphic settings on other spells to "everything"
gentle ore
Spell density is on everythin
strong forum
I have it on essential which usually does the trick and doesn't exclude abilities and just hides most shit
Then it's rip, cuz open world stuff is 100% diff to dungeon stuff
Friendly nameplates especially
gentle ore
ye
strong forum
In open world they're fully customisable but in dungeons stuffs heavily restricted
warm plinth
Eyyyy @lusty grotto we got gift this week!
mortal cypress
What are thoughts /feelings about not being able to to see mrt style cds?
warm plinth
I think it all depends on how the game changes to adapt to the amount of information available.
mortal cypress
Same, but I was hoping it was limited to mrt/dbm/bigwigs... No plater is yikers
strong forum
Yeah im on the side of "they have to make beyond gigantic changes, good changes and re-iterate them proper"
jagged gust
I mean, we can just go back to the ol' "blue square is hunters cc" style coordination
strong forum
And also need to stop releasing raids that have to be nerfed 5-8 times before they're "right"
warm plinth
Yeah im on the side of "they have to make beyond gigantic changes, good changes ...
100%. I think that it can be good for the game to do all this because it makes the game more accessible for new players. But knowing Blizz, my optimism that they will do it right is not exactly off the charts.
patent scroll
Also they probably need to remove like half of the casts and abilities in M+ 
jagged gust
Coordinated aoe stops are still probably gonna go hard
strong forum
It's on blizz in the first place to make so many mechanics happen at the same time with split second decision making
warm plinth
Depends on how important it is to have aoe stops
strong forum
They wanna rid of our customisation
So they gotta clean up their act
And if it's anything like the "UI rework" of DF and slow and poor implementation of the tools they brought in so far
It ain't gonna be for me
warm plinth
I dont think customization is necessarily what they're trying to get rid of. They're trying to staunch the bleeding of addons being so powerful that mechanics have to be harder/more plentiful to actually make content challenging.
warm plinth
The thing that scares me is that they seem to want to do this in one fell swoop. But the problem is this was a gradual thing over many years and they want to somehow flip a switch
shut summit
change is good overall for health of the game but can tell without a doubt that the first season / tier or 2 will be miserable
warm plinth
And I think it backfires
warm plinth
I agree sense
paper crypt
Can someone please help? All three of these are upgrades. I don't know which one to pick.
strong forum
Great even
strong forum
Can someone please help? All three of these are upgrades. I don't know which one...
Trinket
Shield drops from rik, farmable, Helm turbo farmable
Trinket? Not farmable
patent scroll
I agree that the change is likely going to be good, at least as an idea, but also looking back at the systems and shit they've released upto now and abandoned for expansions I don't really have a good feeling
paper crypt
Thank you
strong forum
Yeah it's gonna need a lot of work, on all fronts.
Most eyes will go towards encounter design, cuz lmao try to pull off a tindral/fyrakk/jailer
patent scroll
Because UI and customization is like the one thing that they seriously can't fuck up or it's going to be worthless
strong forum
With their fucked 1 mistake full-wipe mechanics
patent scroll
Yeah, and even for that they already have a tool in that with a very small change/addition could make those really SO much easier
They have this lovely thing called the ping system
shut summit
Ye they say they don't want WA bosses then continue to do them, brood twister, sprocket, stix etc
strong forum
It's baffling
patent scroll
But they are either blind, stupid, or just not interested in improving it, because just by adding an extra ping that would also show the pingers name on top of it would help raid calls and coordination SO GOD DAMN MUCH
That I really can't understand how they haven't implemented that yet
paper crypt
675 ilvl now 😄
patent scroll
The ping system has been working perfectly in hots since like 2015
That as well
strong forum
That being said
Ping systems are amazing
However they suck when the mobs/bosses have big hitboxes
Bitch im not trying to ping the boss I'm trying to ping the thing behind/in front/next to the boss
patent scroll
Yeah, it also very clearly either needs a modifier or a setting to make it ground based
round cliff
new mario kart has hidden stats even worse than the last mario kart
gonna kms
just let me play who i want to nintendo please
WHAT DO YOU MEAN COW GOES FASTER ON DIRT
patent scroll
You will get ""discoverability"" and you will LIKE IT
paper crypt
I cast sword
round pendant
WHAT DO YOU MEAN COW GOES FASTER ON DIRT
I mean it just makes sense
heavy sparrow
I could probably reduce my crit and pump into verse I guess
lusty grotto
or you could socket
heavy sparrow
That too
frosty mango
Ye they say they don't want WA bosses then continue to do them, brood twister, s...
They’re in a tough spot because encounter design is at an apex where they literally can’t out design addons so they have to do something and what they intend to do is their only choice really
heavy sparrow
I've had the same gore cleaver since 1st vault which is pretty funny
frosty mango
But what they risk is the ff14 experience where if they lock down their internals people will find other ways, whether that’s network scraping
Or whatever else
But I think they have no choice in the matter, they have to do this or encounters are hard stuck
heavy sparrow
I think I gotta find ways to reduce my crit, since I'm sitting at 20.4k unbuffed, or like 44%
lusty grotto
sim will do that for you
frosty mango
Whether or not the do it right remains to be seen, but I agree with sense, the first tier of this implementation will be awful
lusty grotto
whats your haste at
heavy sparrow
About 32%-35%
heavy sparrow
@lusty grotto fixed
dusky canopy
That’s about 18k
heavy sparrow
Sec - not at home rn
dusky canopy
(I have absolutely no idea)
lusty grotto
well if its 18k then he can def get it higher
lusty grotto
thats low as fuck
dense ingot
I'm sitting at like 21k
solid sun
Whether or not the do it right remains to be seen, but I agree with sense, the f...
I cant wait for the changes because then u can be a mythic raider
frosty mango
I dunno I’m a mythic raider and I use very few addons
But I will say ovinaxx
Was ass
That fight was an atrocity
heavy sparrow
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/moon-guard/Mcaulkiner
Sounds about right. Probably 33% with full 8% haste 4 stacks
heavy sparrow
True
dense ingot
Rings are usually pretty cheap to craft and if you ask in trade you'll often get like a dozen pms within a second even on MG
heavy sparrow
I sim everything and everything to what I get. Basically my haste from season 1 went went all to my crit for season 2
solid sun
Was ovinaxx the worm grub brood boss thing
lusty grotto
to use ITF
lusty grotto
Was ovinaxx the worm grub brood boss thing
yes, brood
heavy sparrow
swap off from ITF
Will do. My shield block uptime is roughly 76-85 too
lusty grotto
ITF is probably why its low
heavy sparrow
And I'm slamming
heavy sparrow
It is too
lusty grotto
90 at the worst
only use ITF when you have 4pc + 16k+ haste rating
otherwise your SB uptime will suffer
HR otherwise
lusty grotto
your gems are whack
dense ingot
He wants that movespeed
heavy sparrow
I got 1 socket for the belt I. I think I'm 500 movement speed above my diminishing returns right now
lusty grotto
move speed is a meme if you didnt quite catch it
we say shit like "speed is bis" a lot here, but its not serious
frosty mango
I must be slow because I didn’t catch that. Need more movespeed
heavy sparrow
My auto walks are like 123 or 128% if specced
lusty grotto
heavy sparrow
Lmfao
dense ingot
movespeed can be great, but you can also just get wotlk belt enchant for speed and it should be up when you need it for the most part
It's nice to help gather some pulls
heavy sparrow
I imagine so with heroic leap speed but I also am on my 2nd season here too
lusty grotto
even without
there isnt a single season where speed was serious
im not in the mood for baits, so...
warm plinth
Acting like we're DK or something
heavy sparrow
This guy eh
warm plinth
Isn't that what cables are for
heavy sparrow
we say shit like "speed is bis" a lot here, but its not serious
I definitely wasn't here for that ngl. I'm kinda slow to react but it gives me a bit of time to move out of 1st boss pack aoes in motherload for example. I can really only progress high keys if I'm about 6 drinks in deep
lusty grotto
yeah youre trying too hard to bait, im out
pallid quiver
we say shit like "speed is bis" a lot here, but its not serious
wym speed
speed is bis
avoidance is poo poo and we already have leech
might as well pop the placebo stat
and feel the stonks
warm plinth
Ngl i just learned we had prismatic gems again
Or w/e they were called back in the day
heavy sparrow
yeah youre trying too hard to bait, im out
heavy sparrow
might as well pop the placebo stat
Gotta be like a bowling balll my dudes
dusky canopy
Weird that a strike wouldn’t insinuate a kill pull
undone beacon
solid sun
Hey pash
undone beacon
Heyoo
solid sun
Do you send sleepy rage on cd
sharp merlin
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/213770533769052162/1352080217564250295/...
Hahahahah
The best one is the paladin puts wings up and falls over
In a grim
undone beacon
Do you send sleepy rage on cd
If I want it for damage I send it ideally with incarn, hold it sometimes to line it back up or for the dr if i really need it
Like on momma or swampface I hold as a defensive
solid sun
Laser puddle on cd?
undone beacon
Ye
If you're playing well LB should have ~30sec cd
Obv dont drop it if you're gonna drag mobs out right away but
heavy sparrow
Weird that a strike wouldn’t insinuate a kill pull
Yeah but wouldn't that be awesome 😎
solid sun
Yeh idk what it is and I doubt I play very well but it’s crazy short
undone beacon
Elunes Chosen makes it so arcane abilities reduces LB CD, and then theres the talent that makes Thrash into arcane damage
solid sun
Do you send Incarn on cd to try to get as many as you can in a dungeon and just pull around it
undone beacon
So Moonfire and Thrash are reducing LB CD
undone beacon
Do you send Incarn on cd to try to get as many as you can in a dungeon and just ...
More or less yeah
With Ursoc's Guidance its ~1min30 CD
solid sun
Are you using mf outside of ranged pulling? Iirc you auto shoot them
undone beacon
MF is your main filler spell between thrashes and mangles
Take Swipe off your bars
solid sun
Even over swipies
undone beacon
Yeah
solid sun
:o
undone beacon
Swipe does no damage, gens no rage, and doesnt reduce LB CD
dusky canopy
I tend not to use || mother fuckers || outside of ranged pulling
undone beacon
Moonfire will heal a bit from Elune's Favored, reduce beam CD, refresh the dot, and most of the time be on galactic guardian mode too
solid sun
I thought you didn’t have to use it because you just keep shooting it automatically
Good to know
undone beacon
Swipe does NOTHING, it LOOSES SIR, GOODDAY
undone beacon
I thought you didn’t have to use it because you just keep shooting it automatica...
You do shoot it automatically but theres not really a better filler to hit
If swipe did literally anything it would be preferred but
They need to give it the devestator treatment imo
Just make our autos cleave
solid sun
I never hit maul either
Sometimes I think to myself, “maybe I should use this”
But then I just send more IF and say nah
undone beacon
You hit maul when you have sufficient ironfur stacks in ST
Or you be lazy and just keep hitting IF and its fine
If you have Raze its more of a priority but like
Thorns of Iron go brrrr
lusty grotto
dotc enjoyers
solid sun
It uses thorn stuff
undone beacon
DotC is actually fun in keys, even without catweaving but like, Moon Bear is just so sturdy
Huge ravages
Huge razes
Raaaaaaa
solid sun
Sure but also I don’t die
undone beacon
Having a 30 second Lunar Beam is just so good in keys
solid sun
And I’m afraid I might die if I try to be the other bear
We bearly hold it together as is
lusty grotto
thane vs colossus
undone beacon
And I’m afraid I might die if I try to be the other bear
Eh give it a try, its really not bad
lusty grotto
except none of the 4 hero talents have drawbacks defensively
solid sun
Wait which one are you suggesting is colossus
undone beacon
You just have to be a bit more on top of proper rage usage to make sure you're using your ravages and razes effectively
solid sun
Doesn’t laser disco do more damage in keys
lusty grotto
dotc = colossus
solid sun
I thought dotc was mostly just a raid thing
undone beacon
DotC can put out bigger numbers in keys, even without catweaving. It does a lot better in ST too
Elunes Chosen is a lot safer though, but loses so much ST
lusty grotto
safer
solid sun
How you catweaving in keys
lusty grotto
in cat form, due to dotc
undone beacon
That too, you retain 80% of your armor and your IF stacks for 6 secs in cat
solid sun
Oh dear
undone beacon
and then swapping to bear gives a heal
But again, you only catweave on bosses to rip for big dam
solid sun
Y’all are about to subject my friends to a lot of tank deaths I fear
lusty grotto
ehh
undone beacon
Its a bear its hard to kill
wooden heath
Hi first time posting here, am I allowed to ask for gear help? Im not sure what to use my dinar on and could use some help! Thanks in advance!
solid sun
You can ask us just about anything
undone beacon
Hi first time posting here, am I allowed to ask for gear help? Im not sure what ...
If you ask about gear help the answer will almost always be 
, but ask away anyways :3
lusty grotto
theres a section covering dinars under the bis gear
wooden heath
Yes I looked and it has different options as other sites so im not sure which 1 would be most beneficial is all
undone beacon
murlok my beloved
lusty grotto
wooden heath
icyvein says the jaster diamond and wowhead says titan of industry. Here is my armory im not sure what would be best or if I should do the Priory trinket since I have mythic shield. https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/stormreaver/saigis/
lusty grotto
yes did you read
very important to read their explanations
especially the >>> Myth ONLY<<<< part
wooden heath
Ive cleared mythic
lusty grotto
do jastor, titan is there cause people dont need much at that point
wooden heath
Just was trying to min/max so was looking for advice was all
solid sun
Are you reclearing bosses and if so do you have competition for the shield
undone beacon
it BEARLY drops? >:D
mighty valley
it BEARLY drops? >:D
bears can't wear shields. you'd know this if you had played bear in world of warcraft
lusty grotto
just making that clear for lurkers
wooden heath
ok I will do myth jasters. Thank you for your time all!
fathom forge
just making that clear for lurkers
currently lurkin lol
undone beacon
bears can't wear shields. you'd know this if you had played bear in world of war...
its bullshit i cant strap a shield to my bear ass
dusky canopy
I would do jastor because the shield is almost un contested
wooden heath
Does titan put out any decent damage percentages? or is it pretty low overall?
dusky canopy
30k damooge!!
lusty grotto
very minor
undone beacon
one billion damage, for you
pallid quiver
it is technically better than a similar ilvl shield, since it doesn't sacrifice stats for the proc
but the proc ain't much
lusty grotto
right its a cantrip
lusty grotto
i wouldnt pick it over myth jastor, myth hoc, myth kezan and/or myth best in slots (for offpsecs)
so....
solid sun
I would just loot the shield in the raid
dusky canopy
Not having the shield isn’t stopping you from getting a rank 1 log but not being sense will!
lusty grotto
which a lot of people at this point only do... what? 1 to 3 runs to get everyone their achieves and thats it?
pallid quiver
when's 1 man M raiding so i can get my CE smh
solid sun
So true
lusty grotto
yeah that might also happen with some groups Pash
dusky canopy
Ngl I know this is an mmo but..
Imagine a 1 man raid at similar difficulty to mythic
I’d be all for that
lusty grotto
well thats kind of
lusty grotto
heh
undone beacon
keep horrific visions and just add more masks waiter waiter more masks please waiter
lusty grotto
alright Brew we heard you liked Torghast so we're putting it back in (not late Torghast, Choreghast)
undone beacon
i wanna be in org forever waiter
solid sun
I told my friends that I couldn’t game with them because I was doing mythic visions
pallid quiver
alright Brew we heard you liked Torghast so we're putting it back in (not late T...
i enjoyed torghast until they added player power to it
then i suddenly hated it
lusty grotto
yeah i liked the concept
pallid quiver
i truly just want to press buttons
lusty grotto
the chore part is what killed it
directly tied to player power
i like the approach theyre doing now
torghast in this way would be fun
dusky canopy
alright Brew we heard you liked Torghast so we're putting it back in (not late T...
Jokes on you I liked ptr torghast!
lusty grotto
the ptr version was very good
jolly swift
decisions
i got both on heroic and reclear M gally each week, which would you choose
guess i could always buy the bomb suit so might go pacemaker
jolly swift
i got a crafted 681
cerulean tusk
Both mud and pacemaker are useful, arguably pacemaker will be used more.
Take the myth track one
plush socket
pacemaker is just more rare though right
cerulean tusk
Max ilvl on shield is always right
jolly swift
ill yoink a gally shield hopefully soon 🙂
solid sun
Kitty is so correct
jolly swift
but yeah understood
is Tome of Light's Devotion better then bomb suit? or is it preference
cerulean tusk
Tome is great for DPS and AoE tanking, parry get a lot of value.
Bombsuit/MUD is great for boss tankbusters and making dangerous moments chilll
frosty mango
alright Brew we heard you liked Torghast so we're putting it back in (not late T...
More like boreghast
jolly swift
cool ty ty
toxic gyro
Pacemaker 100%. We always play it and since you’re raiding 8/8m you can get shield from rik or gally easily.
I’m surprised you don’t have shield from rik yet 👀
jolly swift
i dps in raid and only started focusing on keys once we got gally down tbh
got half 17's done so getting there
toxic gyro
I see. Still generally not too many ppl use shields in raid.
jolly swift
but yeah our tanks are dh and pally so not too many people in the way of a shield haha
lusty grotto
@frosty mango candle king doable without BoV right?
i think i asked you this a while ago
kinda seems like a good boss for Virtue ngl
i just healed one without where people just dropped, except for 3 of us lmao
nocturne spindle
rhinos you can be thicc unicorn from now on
frosty mango
<@228540157333078016> candle king doable without BoV right?
What bov
My brain doesn’t compute acronyms
frosty mango
Oh
lusty grotto
i think one guy ate the arrow
and then because i realized i hadnt set up cell, i fumbled on the brez
frosty mango
Yeah I think so, my guy (well girl) healed it fine on 16 or 17?
lusty grotto
so another person dropped, but healing 3 was easy
frosty mango
We didn’t scuff tho
frosty mango
Yeah bof
I guess why bof over bov
What do you gain elsewhere in the key, it’s not a particularly hard key to heal
lusty grotto
yeah its whatever im just doing these so
probably not gonna run it again as hpal, but just in case it comes up
babby keys, but 10s are wild i swear its harder than any 15
ive seen some insane cooks lol
lusty grotto
lol
steep crest
Hey, I cant seem to find it now, or maybe I am misremembering, but is there a haste point where you can basically keep Shield Block up 100%?
lusty grotto
no
frosty mango
Hey, I cant seem to find it now, or maybe I am misremembering, but is there a h...
Not that you can reach
lusty grotto
haste points determine what talents you run
sub 16k with 4pc you run HR
over it, you run ITF
at both points you can reach as close to 100% as possible
but a straight 100% is not possible due to a lot of other variables
you can comfortably be at 90%+ though
steep crest
Im hovering around 19k haste, and when simming its showing me to go more vers gems/stats, but it feels way worse to play when i lose that much haste
lusty grotto
keep 20k haste
and then swap to other stats
19k just requires just a tad of micromanaging
with more micro needed when lower rating
steep crest
yeah, the sim doesnt change a ton when swapping it around so im not super concerned about it. just was wondering if there was a certain point to aim for
thank you guys though!
frosty mango
Im hovering around 19k haste, and when simming its showing me to go more vers ge...
Your sim is telling you to take vers?
Can you link it? I wouldn’t expect that unless you have a high ilvl
cerulean tusk
19k just requires just a tad of micromanaging
Then you got me, 19k haste and HR 
My shieldblock never drops, I am safe for 20 sec after each pack
frosty mango
Don’t get me wrong vers isn’t bad but I wouldn’t expect it to be at the top
frosty mango
Then you got me, 19k haste and HR <:gladge:963970137701109820> My shieldblock n...
I have 21k with itf and it’s very comfy
chilly brook
Im hovering around 19k haste, and when simming its showing me to go more vers ge...
Keep in mind the sim is purely damage based
cerulean tusk
I have 21k with itf and it’s very comfy
What if I go AFK to close a window, hmm? No, I need HR
steep crest
Keep in mind the sim is purely damage based
Yeah i know, I'm not pushing high enough content for it to matter for survivability, like highest key ive done is like a 14
chilly brook
Just slot whatever robot says and enjoy
frosty mango
That’s interesting. I’d expect crit to be higher than vers with your stat mix
It isn’t though
steep crest
31% crit unbuffed (17.2k)
warm plinth
yuge vault grab
frosty mango
grats huge
steep crest
oh on armory it shows you at 26%
warm plinth
oh wait, crafted counts as ilevel for free upgrades now? 
warm plinth
Which I would probably know if I'd played more than next to none
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
HR is fine heh
warm plinth
I don't really care either way; just don't want to have to turn brain on to swap talent
lusty grotto
just get 16k silly
lusty grotto
i mean to be fair just turn on brain on vault uppies
unless...
unless you still need hero track uppies
which i doubt cause you had masks covered asap
warm plinth
I have 3 champion items still, plus one crafted item that's only runed crest level
solid sun
Do you even play wow anymore
Sounds like you’re cheating on us with Valorant or something
warm plinth
I came back when visions released and have been playing since then but pretty casually
idk what valorant is
solid sun
Precisely what someone who plays Valorant would say
warm plinth
I was playing Dead by Daylight for quite a while, then got into REPO and Runescape Dragonwilds, idk. I play whatever friends are playing typically
idc about gaming other than it being a way to hang with friends
solid sun
It’s funny because usually visions are a solo adventure
warm plinth
It’s funny because usually visions are a solo adventure
yeah and I do them solo 98% of the time too 
thin finch
hey guys anyone can help me to choose? I think its gonna be socket week for me
warm plinth
yeah that's something else
warm plinth
I have cleft again 🙂
lusty grotto
need to do these before i boot up Dune
warm plinth
what's the single worst thing in all of visions and why is it Snang
warm plinth
I've done priory exactly one time and it was like 3 months ago
solid sun
This is what privilege looks like
undone beacon
need to do these before i boot up Dune
I’ve been doing some healing on my hpal, had to heal for triple threat
Honestly was kinda slight
Other than the FG where the prot warr had 34% SB Uptime
Most dungeons I just holy shocked enemies the whole time and it was fine
nocturne spindle
someone was saying you could like
glitch it
start the key as healer then switch specs?
or you like
urban sequoia
So... What trinket do yall think id be best grabbing with chips given I have a heroic house of cards and a vetaran scrapfield?
nocturne spindle
leave 1 trash enemy
nocturne spindle
then switch to right spec
undone beacon
10s with pugs are scary, they’re either complete face rolls or harder than 16s
undone beacon
I woulda left, fuck healing that noise lmfao
frosty mango
so interestingly enough mine also swapped to vers
did something change in simcraft recently?
lusty grotto
not really
frosty mango
It was definitely not vers last week
because I run my sim nightly via the api every other day
lusty grotto
youre just overloaded with crit
warm plinth
what swapped to vers
lusty grotto
weap enchant and rings
frosty mango
and gems
frosty mango
it does, but as of last week it showed crit as over vers
lusty grotto
do you have last week's? it should be on the drop down
unless its a family-plan account
frosty mango
doesnt show because I run them from a script
lusty grotto
and then you just gotta scroll down
frosty mango
I ran this from the UI
lusty grotto
i see
lusty grotto
ye
frosty mango
no it doesnt
lusty grotto
youre right
frosty mango
lol
frosty mango
because
lusty grotto
that weapon thing does though
frosty mango
the damage variance is under 1% i wonder if its just sim variation
lusty grotto
yeah seems liek it
warm plinth
what causes Demolish hits to just...not hit sometimes?
warm plinth
yeah, idk. I'll check the tapes but doesn't look like he moved and I wasn't moving. Weird.
probably didn't notice
frosty mango
what causes Demolish hits to just...not hit sometimes?
if it moved out of your range it will drop
and its very finicky
strength below all secondaries in current gear
thats prob why its being wierd
just variance as gear converges
frosty mango
next season is gonna be wierd
some classes will be 100% crit
scaling is gonna get kinda crazy
lusty grotto
yeah for the most part its planned since the squish comes next exp
warm plinth
Yeah neither of us moved idkhttps://www.twitch.tv/dooteranopia/clip/BovineGeniusSlothHassaanChop-IBaOb7xiohwf7HT7
frosty mango
Yeah neither of us moved idkhttps://www.twitch.tv/dooteranopia/clip/BovineGenius...
you got whiffed
warm plinth
nah pretty sure I know what happened lol. I think that very tiny turn left as I started casting it was enough to make it miss
alternatively, it's Nim's fault
lusty grotto
ye good trinket
warm void
Hey there.
I am not sure if this is the place, but some questions regarding talents for tanking.
This is my current tree: CkEAO9DBjZzKcjSu6RJDto0RCKGAAAAmZmxMzMmZWmZZmZmNMGjGzyYGGLjZmhlZmxMwwAAAAAAAGDAYZbBAYzMGWIDMDL0wsA
On the warrior side:
Would it be worth it to not take thunderous words to get champion's lance for another aggro option? I feel that it could maybe help to hold more aggro, but correct me if I am wrong
Also, I see some people not picking rallying cry for Honed Reflexes, which look a bit weak?
On the prot side: I have been having sucess with Disrupting Shout and Thunderlord, however I really wish I could pick Ravager. Any other talents you have tried or any advice on that?
warm plinth
You don't take Thunderlord as Colossus. You would drop that and take Ravager.
mighty valley
As Colossus, you shouldn't be pressing thunderclap so often that it results in that much cd reduction for demo shout
mountain thane gets a ton more out of it due to thunder blast procs and unstoppable force
honed reflexes isn't very strong, but tbh neither is rallying cry in m+
i've seen some people try and take both spear and roar, I presume for another snap threat button, but I'm not really convinced... it's always simmed decently worse for me, and the snap aggro isn't even that good on spear with no capstone talents
what level of keys are you doing? you can always drop BSV if you're not pushing super high
nocturne spindle
yea i guess
why do you think demo shout is helping quite a bit?
its a pretty minor defensive
outer willow
Is anyone noticing that aggro is being ripped more often these days SPECIFICALLY in priory?
No idea why, but that’s the one dungeon I’m losing aggro on.
frosty mango
I love when the server lags out and then you get hit for 15 million
outer willow
For very specific packs too
frosty mango
nope
outer willow
Weird. Maybe I’m just not cleaving as much…. Wait is there a fucking cap on how much I can cleave??
Oh my god I never thought about that
The packs in question are all 10+ mobs
outer willow
Wow. I’ve never even thought that hard about it till this very moment.
Thank you wise ones.
lusty grotto
these motherloads are something else
at the 10 range
the routes they take
this box jumping shit....
lusty grotto
why the fuck would they try the same skips
in ML
this group stood around asking the warlock to lock portal
frosty mango
why the fuck would they try the same skips
lol the down the right side jump over the wall nonsense?
lusty grotto
yes that and a lock portal into 1st boss
the fuck is wrong with them
i just pulled the pack cause it was going nowhere
and then they just pulled EVERYTHING on the way to 2nd boss
i just cant
whoever made up that route and whoever follows that route are dumb
its a 10, i dont do box jumping shit in 16s