echo of nelth and smoldy were also a fucking nightmare
#protection
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Pretty sure he ain’t even past the “people can install weakauras” stage
dusky canopy
Wa tells you when to pop bomb and what color you are
lusty grotto
oh i am
dusky canopy
Wa tells you when to press gate macro
What else?
WA tells ranged to move out with drills
lusty grotto
but people want to see the liquid map for some fucking reason
lusty grotto
i have no fucking clue
dusky canopy
Be resilient just gotta move up guild rank!
lusty grotto
nah nah
frosty mango
The only time I ever relented and got shit was on archimonde
lusty grotto
this is just a very casual guild anyway
sinful copper
Anyone know the WA that shows dungeon mechanics? Like it will have bars for the bombs on duo boss in flood, one bar for each remaining bomb. Or the bombs on ML boss
dusky canopy
Did you see it on a stream?
sinful copper
Yeah I think so
dusky canopy
So it’s hard to narrow it down going off just that information honestly
There’s probably a handful of mega packs that might have that included
Like for example “Naowh’s ui will show remaining duration on the bombs I think you’re referring too
But that doesn’t mean it’s the one you seen or are looking for
sinful copper
Yeah I've seen diff variations of it but they basically help u track the dungeon boss mechanics
I don't care if it's exact, just that it does that. If anyone has one, I'd love to grab it
cinder marsh
IK this dont got nothing to do with prot wars, but im trying to do the shard times quest, requiring me to gather 2500 nethershards. Anyone got a good way to gather thoes?
sinful copper
its sub only
Is it dm-able? 
sinful copper
Oh
sinful copper
Oh I see. All good
solid sun
resi 13's finally accomplished
oblique quarry
Grats! 13-16s are such a roll of the dice for the player quality you get right now
chilly brook
I'm trying to decide on if I want to grab myth HoC or not with this Dinar. It's either I get it or I buy Best in Slots for Arms
lusty grotto
https://wago.io/twwdungeons
do you know for a fact that it has the bomb bars, cause that's specifically what hes asking
not just causese's or whatever the other guy is
lusty grotto
resi 13's finally accomplished
gzzz
cerulean tusk
Nim, will you DM me? 
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
k, it does that when I am on my phone for whatever reason
lusty grotto
oh
cerulean tusk
at least I would get a DM
lusty grotto
nocturne spindle
Nim DM me all the bannable things 🙂
lusty grotto
ok listen you nerds
i meant "DM me the Sub-only WA"
i thought it was self explanatory
daring cedar
do you know for a fact that it has the bomb bars, cause that's specifically what...
I use it and I have 5 grey bars on the fight
lusty grotto
kinda wild if sorbitol doesnt use Causese at this point but
@sinful copper might have to confirm
cerulean tusk
i thought it was self explanatory
sinful copper
What is causese lol
sinful copper
I have another tww dungeon pack that tells me when to watch feet or fixated or whatever
But not that one apparently!
Especially if it has bars and stuff
lusty grotto
i guess you have the one tettles linked a while ago
sinful copper
Also the one I have is def wrong for the orb soak timer in priory. We wiped because my WA said 8 sec left and we all died LOL
lusty grotto
but Causese's have been standard in basically all seasons
as a "free" one
and sometimes even raids
sinful copper
Ohhh
lusty grotto
causese has made raid packs since CN pretty much
sinful copper
I'm a non-myth boy nowadays
lusty grotto
or maybe before that
anyway they are called causese cause hes the author
but they have season specific names like "TWW Dungeons" which is the same as the link
sharp gale
i meant "DM me the Sub-only WA"
It is in the pack under special bars
Idk how to link it
lusty grotto
im sure he'll figure it out
sharp gale
Also the one I have is def wrong for the orb soak timer in priory. We wiped beca...
I think it’s boss mod that handle the count timer
sinful copper
Hmmm
lusty grotto
i mean he might as well replace his entire pack with causese's
if hes complaining about orb soaks
its also possible whatever he has is not updated
runic granite
Doesn’t yoda or quazi have one too
lusty grotto
probably
sinful copper
TD is close enough to the other enchants right? i rather have TD cuz it looks cool and might help with snap aggro
lusty grotto
yeah kind of
next pasture
TD is close enough to the other enchants right? i rather have TD cuz it looks co...
TD was a 1.1% dps gain over void ritual for me
sinful copper
😮
lean furnace
What’s the easier offspec for us? Fury or arms?
warm plinth
Don't think either one is super complex but probably Fury
next pasture
def arms. crit haste
fury stacks mastery and prot does not
unless you meant easier to just pick up and play. then yeah, fury. arms is one of the harder dps specs in my opinion, lots of buff management
lofty wren
I have a stupid question , can't we just send Sheild Block on cd when we go into a pull and fighting a pack, for what reason would I hold charges?
Cus I can just extend it and keep on extending it no?
frosty mango
Cus I can just extend it and keep on extending it no?
Kind of a nuanced answer but
Kind of yes
Depending on your haste and play you may have some gaps
But generally speaking yes - you would run into issues if sending it at the very end of a pack and then it’s down at the start of the next pack but I don’t really find that to be an issue
lofty wren
Cus you get frequent resets on shield charge and since I have alot of haste it feels like you can keep block forever without w8ing for it to recharge
frosty mango
That is true
It’s a bad habit to get into though if you raid, because in raid talents it will not be the case, and it will fall off
pallid quiver
Cus you get frequent resets on shield charge and since I have alot of haste it f...
You should also remember that shield charge CDR is tier set based, and how much uptime you get is dependant on your haste, as well as how many bodies are around you if using ITF
frosty mango
Also tier bonus will go away, leaving you with muscle memory that is going to be a detriment
pallid quiver
Your uptime with constant combat is higher than when there's downtime, assuming all SB talents or related talents are grabbed, so it's hard to notice
lofty wren
I only do m plus so raid is not an issue
pallid quiver
We have so much uptime at the moment that it tends to be fairly minor enough, however. Having a gap in shield block generally won't kill you as long as it's up at the time
pallid quiver
I only do m plus so raid is not an issue
it's more of an issue in M+, actually, since you're the only tank and there's downtime
Raid you can go completely shield block-less except for the scripted "tank takes damage" moments and still be fine the large majority of the time
frosty mango
Also only one healer and way more damage events
I tank most of raid in battle stance and press shield block if my health bar moves
pallid quiver
Only reason it matters more in Raid is because of the above, you actually grab less SB talents, so proper management increases your damage output
lofty wren
So for M plus you don't recommend spamming SB while in combat?
pallid quiver
Optimally, you have SB up anytime you're actively tanking, and base your presses around that. Sending it just pure on CD can be simpler, but can cost you unused uptime at the end of a pack or during time periods of a pack where there's not actually damage coming in.
I don't recommend ever spamming it, since it has 2 charges; you have a hot ass minute to relax and watch your uptime while it recharges
lofty wren
My understanding of tanking so far is that I want to have 100 procent uptime on it
pallid quiver
It also might cause you to send rage uncontrolled
pallid quiver
My understanding of tanking so far is that I want to have 100 procent uptime on ...
It's your main mit, but uptime on SB doesn't matter if you're not leveraging that uptime. Unless you're running Heavy Rep, you're also not going to have 100% uptime
Even with a ton of haste, if using ITF, you'll likely have a gap somewhere, even if small
frosty mango
So for M plus you don't recommend spamming SB while in combat?
This tier, with current gear levels and shield charge applications you will not really feel an impact if you are sending g it on cooldown.
I don’t recommend doing it because:
1 - you will be using rage that could otherwise be better spent in that moment
2- you will get into a habit that will be hard to break
pallid quiver
And some of that is based on sending it too often, even, since SB does have a cap on duration
lofty wren
Aa so it has a capp
frosty mango
3x duration
pallid quiver
3x duration, which isn't often, but can happen with SC CDR
frosty mango
24 seconds or 18 seconds depending on talents
pallid quiver
It also might cause you to send rage uncontrolled
Just sending SB kneejerk also is an issue for this in particular, since you can potentially hurt your rage gen, meaning less of the rest of the spec functioning
Since you can potentially cause things like Outburst to fill before you press Thunder Clap, leaving tons of rage and damage on the floor
lofty wren
Uff this all sounds alot od complicated I thought I can just mesh shield slam and revenge
And be good
Since I play colosus
And one think I notice that I get overwhelming amount of resets on shield slam
And crap ton of rage when you pull big
But then what is priority to spam shield slam then revenge?
Although I am overcaping on rage
frosty mango
Shield slam > revenge > ignore pain if rage over 70%
Always send shield slam
Not doing so will cost you rage and thus damage, there’s no cooldown on revenge and shield slam resets are frequent so pressing revenge while shield slam is off cd is costing you rage
lofty wren
Aight thank you
woven scroll
so, with shield charge also givin' you SB and with LS too, you will have > 95% uptime if simply spamming SB. set bonus will give you extra shield charge casts.
but if you lacking on haste (< 35% or so) its just a very minor decrease in dps if you skill into heavy repercussion and you will have 100% block uptime.
rough egret
would you say that HR is better when you learning or comming back to prot after long time? 🙂
patent scroll
Better in that it's braindead easy, bad in that it's braindead easy
mild river
The new belt that is coming is any good? Did anyone test on ptr?
slender bison
The new belt that is coming is any good? Did anyone test on ptr?
No stamina, proc based stuff
lofty wren
And when do we want to to talent into Into the Frey?
Do we have a haste cap or we just go max hast?
round pendant
And when do we want to to talent into Into the Frey?
~16k haste with 4pc
round pendant
Do we have a haste cap or we just go max hast?
no, just sim
lofty wren
Thanks
lean furnace
what are the general thoughts taking battle scarred vet over ravager? is it worth giving up that solid damage and rage generator for the pseudo cheat death?
mild river
what are the general thoughts taking battle scarred vet over ravager? is it wort...
For high keys it's normal to take battle scared. For myself I just take on 14+ keys.
keen vine
the most popular build atm takes both anyway
round cliff
yea u dont drop ravager
hardy snow
I started doing 14/15 and its fine without it
solid sun
You drop show of force for disrupting
You can drop ravager for bsv in dungeons like top
You can drop battering ram in dungeons like floodgate
round cliff
i hate playing without ravager
i need the rage gen
tho ig TOP is so low pull counts
ravager does 0 dam
dusk ice
Some large pulls ravager is just a gathering tool for threat
warm plinth
I'm never giving up ravager instead of battering ram personally
solid sun
It’d only be one or two dungeons even if you decided to
keen vine
why do you guys think that if you pick ravager you drop bsv or vice versa? because you dont drop one for the other
solid sun
keen vine
i mean sure if you want to play damage build with show of force and battering ram you dont have points
warm plinth
I doubt many do drop ravager and those that do probably dislike ravager as a button (due to the reticle portion)
keen vine
but that is not the meta build
solid sun
In most dungeons it would be battering ram
But a dungeon like top it makes more sense to drop ravager
That doesn’t mean you have to do it that way but it’s a real option
round pendant
why drop rav in top
solid sun
Low mob count pulls
round pendant
It's not like you pick rav for the dam
frosty mango
Because the alternative is bsv
And if you’re doing like a 20 the bsv may bring more value
In top anyway
warm plinth
The difference is very small either way so
Battering ram over ravager in a 5 min st fight is 24k dps for me. Ravager over battering ram in a 5 target 1:30 fight is a 57k dps difference
Really doesnt matter
frosty mango
I don’t view ravager as a dps tool
warm plinth
Talking a .5-1% difference approximately
And you're taking a loss in the other encounter tyoe
Type
frosty mango
I see it as gather and on demand rage gen so
warm plinth
Thats how I see it too
And frankly according to sims, how everyone should see it since the difference in damage is small
frosty mango
The damage aspect is irrelevant it really doesn’t do much damage on its own, it enables damage via rage gen
warm plinth
I should be clear that I was doing these sims to explain why I dont swap for lower target count dungeons. I think you could make a larger case for ravager being just the right call when you're doing dungeons with bigger pulls
round pendant
I just take both 🙂
warm plinth
I use BSV because the wowhead build I imported had indomitable and then I talked with Nome about it sucking and so I swapped to BSV to try how it is now, and have just had it since!
Speaking of which
@strong forum just FYI, the S2 Colossus M+ build on wowhead still has Indomitable instead of Battering Ram or BSV.
cerulean tusk
Indom is still nice for low-key casual content, as it allows you to selfheal really efficiently, as the dam intake is so low. I see no harm having the sprouts use it 
it prob a boon
strong forum
^
idle copper
For high keys it's normal to take battle scared. For myself I just take on 14+ k...
Priory and flood probably gets the most mileage out of it
lean furnace
the most popular build atm takes both anyway
what build is that
warm plinth
Except they probably play disrupting shout instead of show of force
round pendant
Except they probably play disrupting shout instead of show of force
why are the colours so desaturated?
warm plinth
This probably
cerulean tusk
Colourblind gang!
Ppl always make fun of my screenies too
I am just glad it allows me to see swirls that used to be one thing, as two
warm plinth
I like (not really) that they gave us this item rarity customization, but took away the fuckin color wheel to help visualize the effects of the filter
warm plinth
yep this is the whole thing now
cerulean tusk
How does that help anyone? Fuck, I gotta make a forum post
warm plinth
The item quality thing is like...idk
I guess it's fine if people really care about that, but I think most of us have been using the words so long that it really just comes across as posturing.
Like they wanted to pretend they were doing something
cerulean tusk
It's just a neat add, if they didn't remove the wheel that actually had functionality
warm plinth
Yeah, removing the wheel is stupid as hell
cerulean tusk
Adjusting the wheel from 1/3rd was the same, to so many segments my mind was blown... Was huge
crude notch
wait what does it mean if the colors aren’t desaturated to me
cerulean tusk
That you should take a look at a colour wheel and then compare it to different settings of colourblindness.
You might get a "Wait, those arent combined, but two distinct colours?"
When you see that the pie is segmented a lot more than you thought, well - there ya go
(just to have it said, that might not be your vision in this case, but your screen and its settings/quality)
warm plinth
wait what does it mean if the colors *aren’t* desaturated to me
Then you get your very own pair of 3d glasses!
cerulean tusk
Outside of screens I dont mind much, I learned mostly what colours things are and very seldom crash with ppl nowdays
People argued colours a lot more in school, back then I didnt know, but - I must accept, that it probably wasnt green for them
fresh juniper
Speaking of not seeing things(I wish the shadow people would stop staring at me), atm I'm using luxthos WA for warrior but somehow I dont get the information I want, anyone got a warrior WA that shows all of my active mitigation with CD?
patent scroll
The best WA pack is to just make your own
blazing zinc
Hello, does anyone have any tip for the invis skip in rookery? I keep fully hugging the wall (basically walking into it partially) and sometimes I pull, sometimes I don't, I don't have the lightning buff.... what could I be doing wrong?
I'm trying it on normal difficulty solo and I feel like I'm walking the same way every time, can't spot any difference :/
round pendant
This probably
oh duh
cerulean tusk
Hello, does anyone have any tip for the invis skip in rookery? I keep fully hugg...
in 9/10 cases, ppl got the bird defbuff (the pulsing AoE) and pull either way as they forget to click it off
timber nest
Question: has anyone seen the yoda prot warrior talent video, is there any numbers to back up what hes saying
warm plinth
Numbers for what, specifically?
cerulean tusk
We done the numbers a multitude of times, for a multitude of talents and bugs. Anything in particular you wondering about? If so, that might be easier than asking if we watched the video (as most here wont have, Yoda being faulty when it comes to prot info over and over)
timber nest
We done the numbers a multitude of times, for a multitude of talents and bugs. A...
FbV and dropping rav for thunderlord/DS instead of BR
warm plinth
FbV has been proven to be worse than Brutal Vitality
Sense has provided tons of data to back it up
cerulean tusk
(bug included)
Thunderlord vs rav, well, it is a matter of preference. But if you take TL then it wont line up as well with Demolish as it does and you lose one of our better gathering safety tools.
What is DS and BR in this context?
timber nest
battering ram and AOE silence
warm plinth
I mean, aoe interrupt is a utility spell and you're always going to have to drop damage for it
cerulean tusk
Ah, yeah, disruption is something you should take for certain dungs. No question.
warm plinth
But why would you drop ravager when you can just drop show of force
cerulean tusk
Show of force isnt that strong, as it is just an extra 10% mod on top of all the others. Not a baseline empowerment.
timber nest
But why would you drop ravager when you can just drop show of force
if you drop rav/BR you can get thunderlord too to have up for all demolish casts
shut summit
FbV has been proven to be worse than Brutal Vitality
dont think its cut and dry worse, both talents are bugged, i just cant nail down why FbV is sometimes healling for less compared to what its supposed to
cerulean tusk
Kinda doubt even perfect line up for demolish would make up for the pure Revenge Dam loss and not to mention, ease of play, rav brings
shut summit
basically FbV when its healing the full 110%is equal or slightly better to current BV since it doesn't work with multiple abilities, but when it's healing for 85% its worse
so just pick w/e dont think it really matters atm
warm plinth
It never really has mattered which of them you used though, no? You have to use one, and the difference as far as I know has always been pretty small to the point of it having no meaningful impact on anything.
shut summit
but if they ever fix BV to work with demolish / devastator / ravager / shield charge then its clearcut winner
cerulean tusk
sharp merlin
BV?
shut summit
It never really has mattered which of them you used though, no? You have to use...
its never really mattered but just wanted to clarify that im not saying one or the other is better currently
warm plinth
BrV, I will fight you
cerulean tusk
Sense will win
shut summit
picking one or the other isnt some secret tech thats gonna boost you up to doin 20s
sharp merlin
Oh
warm plinth
There's already a BV
timber nest
ya BV is misleading, could mean demo shout talent
sharp merlin
I don't use that, cause Yoda said the other talent is better
warm plinth
sharp merlin
Kidding, I know people will get triggered if I say that 😛
warm plinth
Nah the whole point is that it doesn't matter
sharp merlin
In the eeeeend, it doesn't even matterrrrr.. I tried soooo hard...
warm plinth
Exactly
cerulean tusk
Kidding, I know people will get triggered if I say that 😛
warm plinth
On a funnier note
urban bane
cerulean tusk
warm plinth
I didn't know until two days ago that you could socket rings twice now
warm plinth
How are any Japanese schools still standing?
sharp merlin
oh trust me, I got a good one, I did the Mop Remix for a Warrior tank, and my mate who was levelling with me said 'you're pressing ignore pain, right?'
warm plinth
Those walls see some severe punishment
sharp merlin
And I was like.. 'what's ignore pain?'
warm plinth
sharp merlin
nah, I have a bar on my rage bar,, which if it hits above 70, I'll just send it so I don't cap, but otherwise Im getting better at not just spamming it, and sending more revenges 😄
a tick, sorry, and then another at 30, so I know exactly how much I need before SB falls off
warm plinth
He's got bars on bars on bars
cerulean tusk
bar up my UI, a new twitch TV show coming to you soon
blazing zinc
in 9/10 cases, ppl got the bird defbuff (the pulsing AoE) and pull either way as...
I even made a macro to remove it and I tried it on normal, maybe the issue is that if running around the edges, it can do / shape rather than _I shape if I dont stop and "slowly" walk around them?
cerulean tusk
I never had an issue to sneak past, the only issue I ever had has been ppl sapping em
worst case, let the others run ahead, you can always run past, leap and meld
fresh juniper
How are any Japanese schools still standing?
Dunno how are American schools still standing? All those bullet holes aren't that good for structural integrity, or so I heard
patent scroll
Nah, they're actually load bearing bullets considering the buildings are made out of cardboard 
fresh juniper
Damn the jokes got pretty dark American Police didn't like it
cerulean tusk
Aight aight aight, I know this will make someone come in - and go too far.
Reign it back in, aight. Aight.
fresh juniper
I just can't....
fresh juniper
Aight aight aight, I know this will make someone come in - and go too far.
Just like certain E-Files?
fresh juniper
Was the last of the dark jokes today, back to keys
fresh juniper
On a different note: why does it seem so hard for some people to ignore the damn light spawn at the 3rd miniboss? They can't even walk past the lynx most of the time, it's fookin annoying, but you as tank are at fault for their fat behinds.
cerulean tusk
Just overexagerate your wall running movement to the left
works most of the time
if they see you go out of your way doing something... well, monkey see, monkey do.
patent scroll
Just be like this one BM hunter I had who pulled lynx, died, released, skipped lynx, and jumped to the middle of the small courtyard in front of the 3rd miniboss when we were fighting it at the back 
Pulling both sides and wiping us
fresh juniper
They can't even LoS the fountain casters after being told to and spam pinging 😭
cerulean tusk
Fountain casters?
fresh juniper
First room, middle priest/pala buff looks like a fountain
solid sun
The famous casters who use spells like shoot?
fresh juniper
Stairs thingy those 3 packs there
cerulean tusk
You mean the snipers?
fresh juniper
No casters
solid sun
Or the casters in between the stairs
fresh juniper
CaSTErs like I said 🤣
cerulean tusk
Ah, fair enuff, I usually pull em halfway up the stairs. So no LoS required
fresh juniper
First room 2 minibosses easy LoS at the stairs to gather them
cerulean tusk
If you pull em from halfway up the stairs, they will run to the bottom of the stairs from both sides to get an aim on you
fresh juniper
I do the knights, then take Sully into the small ones at LoS so I dont get kicked footmen and others will come either way, as soon as he dead I gather the casters for the 2nd miniboss
Stupid I know, but I forget packs most of the time so I take a bit more in the beginning
solid sun
I don’t even pull the second knight anymore
fresh juniper
Its either me or dead brain afk people so I'll rather pull it myself 🤣
vernal field
hi im new to prot warrior, and got a hc bulwark of azzinoth is it any good? thx
wanton rampart
Is 5p set worth? Or 4 is enough?
I have the set with 3 myths and 1 heroic (chest), and shoulders in myth out of it, should i catalyze the shoulders and look for a bis chest?
haughty atlas
Looking for new prot warrior tips
Second season tanking, first season as a prot, managed to get a couple timed 10,some untimed 10s and a +4 priory(i hate that dungeon) ilvl 664
cerulean tusk
- Keep shieldblock up at all times
- Ignore pain is a rage overflow dump, nothing more
- Rather use defencives too often, than not at all
Do these 3 things and you should be fine till ya got all 16s
haughty atlas
1) Keep shieldblock up at all times
2) Ignore pain is a rage overflow dump, noth...
1 and 3 I have down, I'd completely missed that ignore pain is rage overflow, which explains periodically running completely dry on rage
woven scroll
I have the set with 3 myths and 1 heroic (chest), and shoulders in myth out of i...
head and chest are the weaker ones in case of secondary stats. i suggest head from first raid boss or chest from mug'zee. otherwise there's a good head option with big haste in m+ (think DFC?)
woven scroll
hi im new to prot warrior, and got a hc bulwark of azzinoth is it any good? thx
ilvl > all. think a craftet 681 should be the way to go if thats available for you.
vernal field
ilvl > all. think a craftet 681 should be the way to go if thats available for y...
It is, thx for the answer
grizzled quartz
1 and 3 I have down, I'd completely missed that ignore pain is rage overflow, wh...
One tip that really helped me was sending your violent outburst on shield slam rather than clap too. Changed my dmg output significantly.
wanton rampart
head and chest are the weaker ones in case of secondary stats. i suggest head fr...
So i should catalyze the shoulder to hav 4p in myth and look for a better chest?
wanton rampart
1 and 3 I have down, I'd completely missed that ignore pain is rage overflow, wh...
Also u can use a macro with IP + SS so if u press IP and SS is available u send both
blazing zinc
worst case, let the others run ahead, you can always run past, leap and meld
true! maybe the issue is that some of my items have Speed on it? so the corcers really might be a bit like / shape rather than _| shape because of it some maybe I should do as you say - run last or just go around pillars very slowly
haughty atlas
Also u can use a macro with IP + SS so if u press IP and SS is available u send...
I'll give that a shot
frosty mango
Also u can use a macro with IP + SS so if u press IP and SS is available u send...
Important to note that this macro does not replace shield slam
It’s mean to send shield slam if it procs while you’re pressing ignore pain
woven scroll
So i should catalyze the shoulder to hav 4p in myth and look for a better chest?
ye, if you want to optimize thats the way to go.
sharp merlin
Finally got my tank rio ahead of my dps 🤘🏻
spring sparrow
Sorry for probably 100x answered question, but its just a m+ alt for the guild. Whats a good spend on Dinar? Tome? Jastor(Heroic only)?
idle copper
People pretty much get directed to here (below) there is a section (scroll down) on how to best spend your dinar
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear
round pendant
Sorry for probably 100x answered question, but its just a m+ alt for the guild. ...
pacemaker and tome
unique gale
is rallying cry worth it? I just realized it's 10% health only, and the +max health feels useless since in those moments when i press it, the healer is already pressured. or should it be used before major damage instead? Hrm...
Kinda want to talent out of it, but it does feel nice to have a group heal even tho weak
next pasture
i drop it m+ and it's not even a question
unique gale
makes sense.. i always had it on then saw Yoda doesn't use it and it made me reconsider
though the top spec board prot does have it lol, anyway i'll try without
do you all take Intervene for M+? i feel sometimes to use it fucks up positioning and can lead to people dying, but when the target is close it can be clutch, like a bop
just the positioning RNG is what bothers me
(this is all pugging)
next pasture
i only take intervene on theater if we plan on passive cleaving banner personally
could have value but i always take intimidating shout/crackling thunder/honed reflexes
or fleet footwork
unique gale
i will try that setup! intimidating shout sounds like a great idea don't know why more guides don't mention it for M+
sharp gale
is rallying cry worth it? I just realized it's 10% health only, and the +max hea...
You are supposed to press rallying cry before the damage income
unique gale
what about Indomitable vs battle-scarred veteran, i feel under 30% i have other oh-shit like last stand or chromebustible trinket
unique gale
You are supposed to press rallying cry before the damage income
yeah that makes sense
sharp gale
The only point to press after is if there is an heal absorb
unique gale
i only take intervene on theater if we plan on passive cleaving banner personall...
What do you drop to take intimidating shout?
next pasture
What do you drop to take intimidating shout?
intervene, rallying cry, and i swap around for those four talents depending on needs
sharp gale
There isn’t many intervene techs this season, it is the first talent I swap (I don’t even play it at all I think)
jagged gust
Tech ically you can drop crackling thunder, but it make gathering feel ever worse than it already does
sharp gale
I think swap talents for me are : crackling, 30 sec leap, second charge, intervene, and another one I don’t remember
unique gale
it's so bad even with it yeah lol, the struggle is real. i like to have ravager as a peace of mind as well but i know many don't use it
next pasture
i think most people use ravager in top end keys
unique gale
I think swap talents for me are : crackling, 30 sec leap, second charge, interv...
omg good point, 30 sec leap is so useless for M+ i realized lol!! plus second charge
anyway i tend to use shield charge between mobs
sharp gale
Fully depends on context
next pasture
i dropped second charge once, and game felt unplayable lol
unique gale
hahahaha
sharp gale
You will know when you miss the 30 sec leap talent
next pasture
i think those are personal choices for sure
sharp gale
And in far packs gathering pulls, second charge is golden
So it is context / dungeon dépendant
Or just route matter
unique gale
i kinda cringe when i see other prot warriors leap in the middle of a mob, i mean the ones from behind will gank him .. i just prefer a nice and safe shield charge (i'm not saying that's what you guys are using it for lol)
next pasture
i mean, if you ever played VDH you know already not to leap in the middle of a pack
unique gale
And in far packs gathering pulls, second charge is golden
oh yeah good point
sharp gale
I had a bear druid yesterday who got 1 shotted by just walking into a pack
next pasture
oh yeah good point
yeah, i usually charge/revenge like, first couple packs because crackling thunder makes grouping miserable with the extra slow
unique gale
yeah the extra slow is what kinda held me back on that... i'm like, yeah +radius is good, but extra slow is counterproductive
sharp gale
Sometime I just do my charge , ss, shield block, and I position myself to clap every packs in 1 spell
My rookery second pull / low key route
I charge the left mob of the pack on the right, taunt caster of patrol and clap when they are all in range
unique gale
awesome! lol it's so funny we even have to deal with things like this
sharp gale
I think it is logic that I don’t have aggro on things I don’t hit
unique gale
i meant, compared to paladin who pushes 1 button and everything is aggroed immediately
but yeah i agree
i'd rather have it this way than be as squishy as a pally, no thanks lol
sharp gale
i meant, compared to paladin who pushes 1 button and everything is aggroed immed...
pally hit everything with that button, because it is ranged ability, and put a dot, so again, i understand they have aggro on things they hit
unique gale
sorry for lots of spam just 1 more Q.. intimidating shout .. is there a catch ? I haven't used it yet but i worry if the fear is broken on damage or something ? Like is it underwhelming, so it's never mentioned in guides?
it seems like a pvp talent
next pasture
it’s just a stop
like sigil of misery
i drop it because tbh most melee groups have enough stops/kicks
maybe if you need to cover for a ret
i guess the catch is don’t take it to theater of pain lol.
young cloud
Is bloodsurge worth taking over instigate in m+?
sharp gale
Like said, intim shout is just another stop, but cap at 5 targets, so completely useless
coarse latch
Do you ever pull 2 or more azerite extractors in ml - in one pull?
lusty grotto
no reason to
at least not in lower keys
if you do you just want your group to have a bad time
lusty grotto
sorry for lots of spam just 1 more Q.. intimidating shout .. is there a catch ? ...
we all use it (confused this with disrupting, we dont all use fear), its just optional, our guides dont focus on min maxy group or comp picks
here's a handy swappable talent snip with the build we all use
for colossus at least
swaps depending on what you need
or comp/dungeon specific
coarse latch
Nice
Thank you
I'm still too scared yet to prog tanking 
I'm pushing with my healer to solidify common routes and stuff
sharp gale
~~we all use it~~ (confused this with disrupting, we dont all use fear), its jus...
I think you are mixing with disrupting shout, I never took intimidating shout unless I want wreck
lusty grotto
yeah maybe but it still fits
its a comp specific pick
the only part that isnt accurate is the first part
fixed
sour gulch
Heroic raider transitioning from Fury - I'm not sure what to craft, I have farmed enough gilded for two max level pieces plus enough chips for 2 items. Is something like wrists/shield at 681 with embellishments the way to go and use chips for trinket or main hand?
ie how much better is a 681 crafted shield vs heroic titan of industry
lusty grotto
its much better
always ilvl > all on shields
craft shield then weapon
then embelish slots
bracer/cloak
embelishments dont provide a huge difference
shield and weapon do
shield defensively which you cant sim
and weapon offensively and slightly defensively as well
shield is our most important piece
sour gulch
okay so spend chips on trinkets?
lusty grotto
sure, go over the wowhead guide
and make sure you read
just dont spend on heroic trinkets, unless they're something you cant actively farm for
sour gulch
trinkets over jastor diamond?
sour gulch
so probably seaforium, eye of kezan, house of cards
sour gulch
Yeah, I'm confused why it recommends spending a chip on bomb suit when it's tier A
lusty grotto
because its the best defensive trinket in the game and you cant farm it
lusty grotto
uhh
round cliff
i just saw that theres different tiers of missives
old flame
i know the guide says not to buy a jastor Heroic but i'v got 2 dinar purchases available and I don't need a priory, or floodgate trinket
lusty grotto
i know the guide says not to buy a jastor Heroic but i'v got 2 dinar purchases a...
im guessing you dont raid mythic
old flame
we're progging sproket right now
lusty grotto
i didnt know if i did lower tier missives or not
you didnt they all give the same
old flame
should die next week
round cliff
wtf
lusty grotto
tiers on missives are only a factor for craft quality
lusty grotto
same as embelishments
lusty grotto
should die next week
idk im in your same position and i havent bought anything
at all
im waiting on 1ab kill
old flame
for HOC?
old flame
they drop off rick don't they?
lusty grotto
ye
lusty grotto
oh damn
old flame
F
lusty grotto
well to be fair... i got them from the vault, not from a rik drop
lusty grotto
shaman
lusty grotto
yeah rogue sorry im on my pally atm
fathom forge
can binding of binding be very good if my whole group uses it ?
lusty grotto
no
fathom forge
gotchaaa
lusty grotto
why do you have to be such a homophobe (the messages were removed, it wasn't the person above me)
take your shit elsewhere
<@&257983573498265600> this guy is spreading some heinous shit
idle needle
lusty grotto
there was no vibe
what they said was... im trying to think of a word here
abhorrent
i hope he gets flagged to the authorities somehow
sharp gale
I missed something
lusty grotto
probably best you didnt see it tbh
lusty grotto
look
tl;dr
the guy said something about the pride month thing
and in the same line mentioned a proyectile
and then doubled down with something along the lines of a "cleansing"
you see where im going with this now right?
so abhorrent and the authorities make sense
frosty mango
So tldr someone skipped med day, fell into the prot channel and was summarily smited
lusty grotto
yeah idk if it falls into meds
frosty mango
Haters do be hatin
lusty grotto
more like... jesus
sorry that was an expression, i meant more like not a reevaluation of their moral compass
frosty mango
I’m not either
I do have a shirt that says Jesus saves though. I made it
It says Jesus saves…….the game right before the power goes out. And it has a snes on it
frosty mango
Top tier if you ask me. Which you didn’t, but I told you anyway
lusty grotto
but i do agree
frosty mango
In other news my daughter made me choco chip muffins
lusty grotto
oh no, now i want some
frosty mango
And I just wandered downstairs at 2am and she has a sign on them that says “I know you’re going to try to eat these in the middle of the night fatty”
Kids am I right?
frosty mango
I got 7 years before she goes to college I’m screwed
lusty grotto
oof
coarse latch
And I just wandered downstairs at 2am and she has a sign on them that says “I kn...
Diabolical
versed plover
what would be the abosolute highest dps spec u can go as prot when you doing 10s feels like you pritty much cant die in there ennyway
slender bison
what would be the abosolute highest dps spec u can go as prot when you doing 10s...
Colossus with sidearm+battering ram+Ravager+ instigate+bloodsurge in battle stance. No extra 2s at shield block, no bsv. Can probably run Bloodborne too without disrupt shout
sweet summit
need that discord brain chip
round pendant
I think I'm burnt on wow
I resubbed cause my friend wanted to play
I keep saying to myself I'll push 14s and 15s but then I do some 12s for my weekly shit and get the worst imaginable groups
so I just log off
lime urchin
hello frens, can someone recommend a tome of lights devotion wa?
round pendant
round pendant
hello frens, can someone recommend a tome of lights devotion wa?
sorry forgot to @ you
slender bison
so I just log off
Push PUGs or get another game. Or run your key with phys comp. Still a big tank shortage in euro realms
round pendant
yeah I mean I've not even tried
I got resi 13s, did a single 14 (no bricks btw) and then started playing alts
and now I have no motivation
I think turbo boost kinda killed it for me
undone beacon
Some guys in my guild put a push team together with me as the tank (pog) but all it’s seemed to have done is cause a bunch of guild drama now that all the “good players” are playing together and not carrying people through 10s 
round pendant
lmao
undone beacon
Can’t win for losing
round pendant
Yeah that sounds like wow alright
solid sun
I just had a similar issue
Five of us got together and pushed some keys Friday night and the guild leader has a channel where guild timed keys get displayed or whatever
This dude started drama because he wasn’t part of it
round pendant
lmao
People keep telling me to get a guild
But things like this make me glad I keep putting it off
undone beacon
People just get really weird when they feel like they’re being left out, which isn’t the goal. Can only have so many people in a dungeon at a time
solid sun
Yeah and also the dude sucks and is annoying
round pendant
take your m+ team and find a new guild
solid sun
He started playing wow like 17 minutes ago and does this awesome thing where he asks questions and then tells people they’re wrong after receiving the answer
undone beacon
Our problem also ends up being we have 3* of the guild tanks in our team (myself, our former mythic prog tank, and a guy who offspecs tank) so people feel like we’re forcing them to pug tanks
Which like, that’s a fair point but at the same time, maybe encourage other people to tank
solid sun
Guardian and prot together sounds unbeatable in keys
undone beacon
All tank keys all tank keys
solid sun
All tanks!
round pendant
I feel like an all tank comp could go pretty far tbh
yeah I played too much this season
so many keys just carrying my friends for their alts too
lime urchin
sorry forgot to @ you
thanks!
frosty mango
Some guys in my guild put a push team together with me as the tank (pog) but all...
I had this happen last expansion where one of the officers of my casual alt guild got upset I wouldn’t take them to “high” keys but I would take other people. I was just honest about it - you don’t have the proper skill level to do that level of content and I can’t in good faith waste someone else’s time by inviting a carry when that isn’t the goal
They asked me to leave 🤷
undone beacon
Part of our problem is half the people dont want to do anything higher than 10s, they want the guild tanks to tank 8 keys for them a week for their vault. Which is not why I'm playing the game lol
If I'm on and people are like, Pash I have a 14 that I wanna throw down with, hell yeah as long as im not busy
But its more often "it's monday night and I've done 2 keys this week, wanna tank?"
frosty mango
My general response when people ask why I don’t run stuff like that is always the same. I have a finite amount of time and I’m a goal oriented person. I don’t wanna log on and stand around town or run things that don’t move me towards that. If I’m logged in I already have an agenda
I do a weekly learning event but (not surprisingly) the people who complain never sign up for it
undone beacon
One of our officers put together a whole guide to pugging keys for our guild and I’m pretty sure nobody who needed it even looked at it so
frosty mango
I ask in discord when tiers start every week if any raiders need vault keys and to message me and we’ll get some time to help. Every tier we bounce people for not meeting our VERY lenient goal of four keys per week. Every tier they give the same answer “no one will run with me”. Every tier I point to discord messages and ask why they didn’t sign up or respond to me. No one ever had a good answer
Lazy people gonna lazy
undone beacon
Truly, truly
solid sun
I made myself available for like 3 weeks straight upon joining this guild
No bites
Then one day they start seeing keys getting completed in the discord channel thing and the jealousy is immediate
patent scroll
thank fuck I've never been in a guild like that
sounds miserable
like we do joke sometimes when the RNG happens and we have like 12 people online, and one team has two tanks and three healers
But that's when the rrrats come out
solid sun
I need to pick up a healer
cerulean tusk
My fav is always the 1st week, where you ask who is interested to get those max keys and get it done. No answers.
Once I done the work, they come in force and get hostile that I don't have space for them 
solid sun
But the only characters I ever wanna play rn are the pwar and bear
round pendant
Some people feel extremely entitled to your time when you're a tank
My friend got actively angry at me because I wasn't feeling like tanking
I just said look I play this game to have fun and I don't want to tank right now
He didn't like that
It's always people who'd never touch the role with a 10 foot pole too
cerulean tusk
My test is always a "i dont feel like tanking" one. 9/10 ppl pass it easily by just being understanding
round pendant
My friends are too used to me always being available and happy to tank
and ig me being better than average means ez smooth weekly keys and a lil bit of push
We tried a mutual friend tanking and it didn't go as well and healer friend just said "I'm not playing with anyone who isn't you tanking"
it really pissed me off tbh
Now he just refuses to play with the other guy
cerulean tusk
My gang is more a "guess I try to tank, what buttons do I press?" crowd
round pendant
tho he still refuses to tank cause he's nervous about routing lmao
I keep telling him he can just W key it
literally pull anything that aggros when you W key through the dungeon and you'll have count
undone beacon
when i started tanking in DF i just muscle-memoried it from being a dps all the time and it was fine
If you're not doing like, real push keys it wont matter
sharp merlin
Guild leaders = internet janitors
undone beacon
Or you spend 5 minutes, download MDT, and look at the pug routes
round pendant
Ya need more friends
These friends aren't primarily wow friends (even tho we play a lot of wow) so it'd feel bad to ditch em
cerulean tusk
Oh no, IRL friends that are bad
round pendant
It's only really one of them who's a problem and the inflexible comp overall ig
Healer friend just refuses to play disc and wants me as a safety net so won't let anyone else tank
1 dps friend is good af
other dps friend is bad and blames me for him missing kicks, I stopped pushing with him
other tank friend can't play cause healer friend won't let me dps
it's wack
round pendant
Oh no, IRL friends that are bad <:deadge:900279927138578432>
not irl, I've just known them for over a decade at this point and not from wow
round pendant
when i started tanking in DF i just muscle-memoried it from being a dps all the ...
yeah same for me trying healing where I knew all the pump phases and etc. People always just think things are gonna go worse than it ever actually does lmao
sharp merlin
At the start of the season I was playing dps, and I always topping throughput. I’m talking top cc, top interrupt, top overall. So this guild I’m in invites me to 10s and then doesn’t want me to be part of their push group cause they already have 5, fine that’s cool.
What did it for me was I realised the keys I was doing with them was their low level alts they were doing for vault, but then I found out they were getting gold boosting people on their mains. I was literally boosting their alts for free whilst they were making gold on their mains.
round pendant
yikes
sharp merlin
Indeed, and then they complain I don’t play with them anymore
cerulean tusk
I mean, that makes sense no? Why do non-boost keys for your weekly. When you can get like 150k gold on top of a filled vault
Your alts can still do content, just not boost (yet) you are free to play with whoever
round pendant
I really need to get into boosting
sharp merlin
It’s more the social inability to realise what they were doing and trying to make me out to be the bad guy
round pendant
do people pay for 12s
sharp merlin
People pay for 8s 😄
cerulean tusk
Ppl pay for m0s
sharp merlin
Yeah
cerulean tusk
Yep
round pendant
why the fuck am I queuing for satchels
cerulean tusk
My fav is always the "I only wanted this boost, cause ppl I play with are bad. I am too good for em."
Does tank DPS and keeps dying
sharp merlin
That’s why I really like my key level
It’s at a point where you can no longer carry someone through, everyone has to bring something
solid sun
For me, our guild leader is very quick to tell us we need to play with someone or help someone or do dungeons at a level we don't necessarily want to do but then doesn't seem to ever be available to help herself
:)
Def feel the whole "people feel very entitled to your time when you're a tank"
cerulean tusk
I don't mind helping fellow raiders, as long they pull their weight in raid. Some ppl just don't work in m+, but are gods in raid
sharp merlin
It’s worse when the guild leaders friends are automatically the tanks
So no one has a say in tanking
round pendant
It's worse when the guild leader IS a tank
and they're always the worst tank you've ever seen
sharp merlin
So next season I have to dps the raid and then tank on M+
round pendant
Def feel the whole "people feel very entitled to your time when you're a tank"
Yeah it feels kinda unavoidable too, if you're a good tank people just want you for that alone
even if they're generally good people
sharp merlin
Tbf the guild leader I had back in Legion ended up tanking for Liquid, so he was pretty damn decent
round pendant
It feels a bit bad tbh
I definitely feel like everyone's having less fun when I don't tank
which sucks
but also I'm having less fun when tanking (sometimes)
There's no winning
round pendant
Tbf the guild leader I had back in Legion ended up tanking for Liquid, so he was...
Congrats, you met a unicorn
cerulean tusk
Well, just wait for the "if you complain about the tanking, then you do it!", then proceed to not die, have no issues with threat and position correctly.
Then go out in glory as you get kicked, with half the guild on your side
sharp merlin
Congrats, you met a unicorn
Hahaha I got CE on my first patch, went from grey logs, to orange and then CE in Antorus, he was such a good raid leader too
sharp merlin
Well, just wait for the "if you complain about the tanking, then you do it!", th...
Ooof people be peopling
solid sun
It's definitely better if you have several people in your little circle who can fill multiple roles
It's good to be able to take a season "off" by going full sword icon
sharp merlin
It's definitely better if you have several people in your little circle who can ...
My small group of 4, we just help each other get a character or spec they want to try to 3k
It’s actually really refreshing
So we all are able to play multiple specs okay
cerulean tusk
I reached the point in my life where those around me agree to this: we play for fun, but everyone chip in.
We booted the: push it up? No. I am in when you got the weekly key.
We booted the: help your alt? No. But my char needs a key.
So on and on.
Life is good
We a pack of monkey's 🐒🐒 you scratch my back, I scratch yours
solid sun
When it comes to my small group it's mostly fine
I usually tank every season and we have one or two dudes who heal and everyone else sword icons
But every now and then one of them will consider tanking until we're ready to put the key in and they're sweating bullets about a route
"Just press W, it'll be fine"
Nope
Won't do it
cerulean tusk
Same, but we get it. They usually do 1 or 2 keys, dying all the way. Having the worst time of their lives. They did try to tank.
Some just ain't built for the responsibility perceived by the role.
round pendant
My small group of 4, we just help each other get a character or spec they want t...
I wanted to do this but 2 of em just won't play anything else
god if I could just convince my friend to try disc for 1 key
he'd realise how much better it is surely
So do you guys do boosts if you need gold?
I'm slowly becoming broke
how do I get into this
round pendant
Someone's cat is on the keyboard
warm plinth
kek
solid sun
Sorry we fixed it
warm plinth
Where's the picture of the culprit
solid sun
He scampered off to go terrorize my daughter
cerulean tusk
Pics or you get banned
round pendant
was it actually a cat?
cerulean tusk
we need proof of cat
solid sun
We brought him home a few days ago. This is when I gathered him up at our shop and was checking him out
cerulean tusk
Omg so cute 🥰
round pendant
lil car
cerulean tusk
Today is a good day 
warm plinth
smol boi
round pendant
damn I'm bored
cerulean tusk
I am waiting for my lasagna to be done 👍
warm plinth
I want lasagna but I don't have lasagna
cerulean tusk
damn I'm bored
Challenge: do a +10, but look for a new player.
Always makes em so happy
warm plinth
https://threechest.io?id=Nh4Old1vmHc does this route make sense?
Trying to learn the last 3 dungeons i haven't done much of
solid sun
My recommendation to you would be to lust the first pull you have and then reroute it to go to the duo boss first
Big Momma second
warm plinth
idk how you would even do that
cerulean tusk
Hero 1st, clear the mid platform, do divers, then up to duo boss. Is the usual thing
warm plinth
so like this?
solid sun
I do something like this
warm plinth
how do you get back to the first platform after that?
or back up to that area I mean
not 1st platform
solid sun
The wall is short over by pull 3
solid sun
Yeah
During her phase where the adds die and she starts aoeing
'Cause she takes extra dam
warm plinth
ahh okay
solid sun
Then obviously you have to find extra stuff to pull depending on if you're skipping Bubbles or the last two dudes before the last boss
warm plinth
how do you skip those? just shroud or invis?
solid sun
I believe the most common ways are nelf-related
But I'm not doing keys big enough to need the skips, so I don't
solid sun
There isn't really any reason not to, though
Unless you're going to do a different route where you're at big momma asap
round pendant
wtf does me making changes edit YOUR copy
ig duo boss first is better since you get to lust big momma
but that's not relevant at all until way higher keys imo
warm plinth
I've only done up to a 9 on floodgate and 12 in general (darkflame)
round pendant
I wouldn't do pull 16 btw
it has 3 casters and an architect
that'll absolutely murder someone if people aren't on the ball with kicks
let me show you my route
warm plinth
Do the contractors cast? I couldn't see anything in the info so I thought it was just the 2 electricians
warm plinth
I figured the electricians should never be pulled more than 2 at a time since they have to be dispelled
round pendant
unavoidable nailgun + casters that don't get kicked = dead
warm plinth
gotcha
slender bison
Do the contractors cast? I couldn't see anything in the info so I thought it wa...
Only issue are inspectors generally
warm plinth
I pulled it in the 9 but was kind of scrambling to make up count because the route I was directed on was very short at the end lul
round pendant
I wiped on that pack twice in a 12 when I was healing lmao
warm plinth
We had to do last boss twice due to healer dying and our brez dying right after, and we were short 8%
round pendant
tank missed count so we ran back to fight that pack
and it went to utter shit
bricked the key cause of it
so I have ptsd so I could be wrong about it being sketchy
the route I linked is pretty safe though
warm plinth
I am doing super low stuff so the architects maybe are more dangerous than I was aware
I know they're fuckin annoying though with their stupid ass platforms
patent scroll
https://threechest.io?id=i7avri0t4wh This is pretty much what I did for my first 12
round pendant
oh I remembered, I was healing actually and it was a 10 not a 12
and I simply got nailgun'd and double shot
cause no one kicked
round pendant
I know they're fuckin annoying though with their stupid ass platforms
the best thing is the tanks in pugs thinking they can continue on cause there's only an architect left
leaving some poor guy to get nailgun'd for eternity
mild river
Which addon shows that information for M+?
mild river
ohhhh ty so much
round pendant
@cerulean tusk how much do people pay for a +10 or 12 carry 
cerulean tusk
It is ToS on this discord to talk about such things, but if I had to guess based on 0 information, it would be around 12-35k per player based on variables
If you want information, I am certain there is no way to get it in /services
patent scroll
Yeah I mean, I can kinda link you the price list from Dawn? But it's not much
Like unless you really like playing M+ I would not do that for gold
cerulean tusk
Context is doing weeklies anyways, so why not grab some shinies on the way to 8/8
round pendant
It is ToS on this discord to talk about such things, but if I had to guess based...
is it??
my b
cerulean tusk
yep yep, it is frowned upon
Dont worry, as long we stop talking about it at lenght, it is all good
I am gonna enjoy my Lasagna now
solid sun
did something happen or just general stance on carries
tender pond
Dont worry, as long we stop talking about it at lenght, it is all good <:okayge:...
spec traitor
versed plover
Colossus with sidearm+battering ram+Ravager+ instigate+bloodsurge in battle stan...
Thx
haughty atlas
Also u can use a macro with IP + SS so if u press IP and SS is available u send...
Yours and others advice helped out, I've managed to get dfc, rookery and floodgate timed today.
Now I just need to get CB and TOP done
jagged gust
Yours and others advice helped out, I've managed to get dfc, rookery and floodga...
For Brewery specifically the final sting cast from the large bees can chunk you if enough line up, very good time to utilize spell block
idle copper
Does anyone have a youtube for the position for tanking Coin boss in ML pls?
so the balls are easier to kick in - tanking him in one of the corners
haughty atlas
For Brewery specifically the final sting cast from the large bees can chunk you ...
Yeah I've run into that on my untimed 10,as it can chunk/murder you real quick, good to know that spell block is useful to mitigate it
warm plinth
Does anyone have a youtube for the position for tanking Coin boss in ML pls?
You don't need to do anything special. The important thing is that you don't need to move immediately after the coins are spawned. And you can keep moving him as he's casting the magnet. So just watch the countdown for the magnet, and give your team time to kick the bombs before you run off with the boss. The tank moving early seems to me to be the thing that makes the bombs annoying because you end up having to kick some bombs twice. Any bombs near me, I go ahead and kick in
solid sun
Invincible Fighting game shown in this pc gamer show @pallid quiver
dense cradle
do a priory get a tome, its a warbound one
jagged gust
arent they all?
pallid quiver
Invincible Fighting game shown in this pc gamer show <@111288222750924800>
don't worry, i saw PEAK
there's so many tag fighters coming out
i hope all of them are absolute slop
even if i'm not hopeful on them all being slop
round pendant
I don't even see how invincible is that deserving of a whole ass fighting game
80% of the characters are giga wack
I am an Invincible hater though
Couldn't finish s2
s1 was good but man s2 was.. something
unborn island
so the balls are easier to kick in - tanking him in one of the corners
I tank him against a wall and move along the wall. I think there's not a great deal of difference unless you tank him in the middle and the bombs can go anywhere in a 360.
I think there's a few spots which make the coins/bombs slightly more uniform, but I don't think it's materially better really. I typically just leap out once he does the claw to move him away and he rarely picks up any coins
pallid quiver
I don't even see how invincible is that deserving of a whole ass fighting game
everything is deserving of a fight game if it's slop enough
opaque ibex
question, any way to drop/not take tank bleed dot on mugzee mythic? (other than evo discpel)
idle copper
I tank him against a wall and move along the wall. I think there's not a great d...
Someone one was pinging (loads) ~12o'clock position by a boxy bit but didnt get chance to ask them at the end
jagged gust
s1 was good but man s2 was.. something
dude fr, I found myself skipping 5 minutes at a time just to finish the one semi story relevant plot
and now the big villain is just
weird
round pendant
dude fr, I found myself skipping 5 minutes at a time just to finish the one semi...
it was so fucking boring and bad
and the voice acting and animation took a nosedive imo
jagged gust
I can accept Justice League levels of animation
It's when it turns Seven Deadly Sins I get upset
idle copper
I tank him against a wall and move along the wall. I think there's not a great d...
Think they ment here - just tried it on normal and the balls seemed a bit tidier?
round cliff
my ass makes my dps work for it
i ain't running a charity here
use them movement abilities
if we miss one i bring him further into the middle. as encouragement to do better
idle copper
i ain't running a charity here
wc?
round cliff
wc
elfin ginkgo
Hi! I am wondering what to get for my third puzzle chip thingy:
https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Reavi
I don't ahve access to any mythic raid loot
idle copper
Whats the benefit of the parasol drop in Rook?
jagged gust
mostly allows for more efficient pulls prior to the skip
idle copper
Did a 14 Work earlier - the mech mobs that do the pulsing AoE is it still ok to pull 2 at a time - I was ok but it Uber wrecked the other 4
frosty mango
Did a 14 Work earlier - the mech mobs that do the pulsing AoE is it still ok to ...
Healer issue
This is not difficult to heal just make sure the healer is there when you pull
Splitting is horribly inefficient
jagged gust
doubly so because you want to kill the 2nd one first to trigger the RP
frosty mango
You can gauge your time remaining at that point but typically the timer on that key is not lenient as you go up key level because there are very few route options
knotty idol
Any way to stop Mythic Gally sprinting off into the sunset on every tank swap?
knotty idol
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1380311449426...
I'm the one taunting not running out
dont seem to matter if I taunt right on cast, mid cast or end of cast he always runs for miles
frosty mango
Yes then the other tank needs to wait
cinder marsh
yo on a new toon what should i choose from the bis vendor?
sharp gale
Whats the benefit of the parasol drop in Rook?
Ppl found how to skip without the parasol, but it is safer to still use it
You skip the first little shitters down + the big boy, and you have better pulls after first boss
rain light
dont even need it to do the skip, just jump down at the right angle
solid sun
i hope all of them are absolute slop
~~even if i'm not hopeful on them all bein...
Why do you want them to be slop?
outer willow
@pallid quiver I made it!!
round pendant
gz
drowsy hawk
<@111288222750924800> I made it!!
grats!! that’s awesome !
haughty atlas
<@111288222750924800> I made it!!
Gratz
round pendant
now get resi 13s
outer willow
Thanks guys. Time to play another game
round pendant
then 14s
outer willow
Hahahahha no I must clean my Steam backlog
haughty atlas
https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894...
I'm jelly, I've got 5 x 10s timed at 2435pts chasing that shweet keystone hero
outer willow
The final 10 point push was brutal.
The priory hated me. But then I started to split that first pull
And everything fell into place!
haughty atlas
And everything fell into place!
I'll have to try that as my highest priory is +4, because I've found certain 10s way easier
And I hate that place XD
outer willow
Down to a science. But now I put my shield down.
haughty atlas
On a different note, my dps is a touch lower then I'd like, but compared to my sim I'm only getting about half the shield slams in, despite hitting it as much as possible
outer willow
That’s one thing I really keyed in on near the end of my ride
round pendant
On a different note, my dps is a touch lower then I'd like, but compared to my s...
post a log
chances are you're just not pressing enough buttons in general
slow obsidian
running tome - 2nd option should be mud (myth track) or bombsuit (hc) ? or just go for pacemaker? mythic + gamer only - still gearing my alt (main is 3.4k tank) but warr is so fun, 629ilvl and timed 2 10s, so 12s is soon in the box when ilvl rises, and will be looking to spend my chips
thin finch
can anyone explain to me how the tierset works? I have a DH alt and I notice my tierset procs way more frenquent on DH than on warrior eventhough my warrior is 682 and DH is barelly 670
maybe its something related to stats?
here are my stats in case its relevant
mighty valley
can anyone explain to me how the tierset works? I have a DH alt and I notice my ...
DH tier set has a higher proc rate and a lower duration than ours, they're just differently tuned
sinful copper
On a different note, my dps is a touch lower then I'd like, but compared to my s...
Press more revenge then (if colossus)
idle copper
dont even need it to do the skip, just jump down at the right angle
Do you have a YouTube clip that shows it please?
pallid quiver
Why do you want them to be slop?
those are legitimately the best fighting games, not even lying or joking.
The more janky and completely fucked up a fighting game is, the more hilarious and fun it is to play imo
pallid quiver
<@111288222750924800> I made it!!
And also, grats! I'm glad you were able to make your goal. i also wish i could use some of my other emotes, but alas, we are stuck with skyhold's
so you get a green instead
lusty grotto
sweet summit
mods don't want you to know this but you can right click and copy link on other emotes and paste them here
next trench
is jastor diamond on hero track better than a crafted?
patent scroll
Unlikely, should sim
next trench
doesnt seem better but top 2 china players have it on myth
jagged gust
probably, jastors is really good
patent scroll
doesnt seem better but top 2 china players have it on myth
I mean, myth track is slightly better than hero track yes?
If you have it on myth might as well
lilac widget
so i decided to watch a prot guide, cause i never have and figured there will be something i didnt pick while learning the class myself
and they said stay mostly in battle stance
is this true!?
ive been hard sat in def
potent cypress
While we're on the subject - we're all going to want to pick up an Eye of Kezan before next raid tier right? It'll be bis going into next raid for prog?
jagged pier
so i decided to watch a prot guide, cause i never have and figured there will be...
dont know what your guide your using but thats wrong
jagged pier
While we're on the subject - we're all going to want to pick up an Eye of Kezan ...
if its myth track and fighte next tier are longer than 5-6 mins then probably
patent scroll
And if it doesn't get dumpstered
pallid quiver
and they said stay mostly in battle stance
That's likely an old guide. While technically being in Battle Stance is a DPS up compared to Defensive stance,
it is currently 3% crit
You can safely always sit in defensive stance. Though if you're not taking any real damage at all or it's all telegraphed, you can swap to Battle for some extra parse fluff.
though 3% crit probably won't even counteract tier set rng
potent cypress
Yeah... that's a fair concern.
potent cypress
That's likely an old guide. While technically being in Battle Stance is a DPS up...
I once made it to the first boss in a 14 priory before I realized I was in Battle Stance. I had tanked a lower key in Battle Stance to troll our holy priest. Definitely gonna want to go with D Stance.
pallid quiver
I mention old guides because Defensive Stance used to hurt your damage output, so you could run into aggro issues with bursty DPS or actually possibly run into meaningful drops in damage, particularly in ST scripted damage sequences
so there was valid reason to consider battle stance in Dragonflight
Right now, it's almost entirely just for trying to fluff your parse a bit.
sharp merlin
I haven't checked but for example when shield goes down on the last boss rookery, or for example beams on the first boss, I will switch stance just to help the group squeeze a little bit more dmg out, but I don't know if it makes that much of a difference
however, I can tell you this, if you kill the big bird, do not forget to switch back to defensive stance, the hallway is horrible after first boss lol
potent cypress
You could adjust class talents to pick up Wrecking Throw in that situation.
potent cypress
Depends on what you normally run, I dropped bounding stride and overwhelming rage for it the one time I actually ran it.
sharp merlin
hmm, I don't know if I'd be willing to drop that hahaha, I value movement wayyy too much
wish you could actually drop BS
round cliff
dropping bounding stride is crazy talk
entirely unreasonable
you drop intervene or rally before u drop bounding stride tf
magic sail
How many buttons should I be pushing with prot warrior? Just swapped over from fury after hitting 80 and may goodness it feels like it’s 30 buttons
toxic gyro
dropping bounding stride is crazy talk
What do you need bounding stride for in rookery?
round cliff
rookery is like the 1 dungeon its ACTUALLY mandatory in
toxic gyro
For?
round cliff
the literal only one, actually, if u want to do parasol-less skip
but you need it always
toxic gyro
the literal only one, actually, if u want to do parasol-less skip
You can just jump the skip if you don’t do the parasol. Jumping is actually faster and easier.
round cliff
now what do you need intervene for in rookery
toxic gyro
What bounding stride has to do with skip regardless? It’s just giving you movement speed and lower cd on leap. Not much leaping in rookery.
round cliff
the skip is done with movement speed increases
solid sun
Still more useful than Intervene
toxic gyro
now what do you need intervene for in rookery
I play neither in ro.
toxic gyro
the skip is done with movement speed increases
You can just straight spacebar jump the skip. No movement speed increase needed.
frosty mango
How many buttons should I be pushing with prot warrior? Just swapped over from f...
For buttons you might regularly use id say there probably 27-30 binds?
Maybe 10-12 that are core
round cliff
are u including like prepot and healing pot