protection

[ionic nimbus]

That macro is a good way for pugs. Especially ML 3rd, because nobody else is getting dmg

[shadow escarp]

He's prob pulling the mech suits w/ boss

[fallen lichen]

Also got a WA to track externals so I don’t pop too much together

[jagged pier]

and all that going next sdeason

[fallen lichen]

Shield wall being back up every time I blink my eyes is also amazing

[ionic nimbus]

But every dps got defensives for that mob, it’s only at the beginning

[jagged pier]

get ready to use ingame voice

[fallen lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[wispy moth]

Glad to be insulted in russian without asking

[slow viper]

Remnant on darkness is any good boys?

[ionic nimbus]

Nothing you should aim for

[slow viper]

Sigil of algari concordance?

[patent scroll]

Poop, it was way too good then it got nerfed hard

[sharp merlin]

How fast does Wall come back?

For example, first pull Priory if I take Suleyman, it should be basically up for each hit, right?

[fallen lichen]

Not each hit, but if you rotate avatar (4 sec shield wall) into shield wall (2x) into demo shout and another avatar, you should be very good there

[sharp merlin]

Alright, maybe it's more a case of me needing to just chill with defensives

cause I use avatar whilst gathering

and you use LS before you take the hits, right?

[echo egret]

Alleria is a bitch, compared to Thrall

[wispy moth]

Demo shout alone is enough to tank pierce armor ?

Ah no mini boss

missreading sorry

[maiden ravine]

ugh, 8 mask visions suck so hard even as prot.

One accidental disorient and you're dead

[jagged pier]

really?

they been a joke for me

u can even just pull one pack at a time and still have 3 orbs left at last boss

[wraith crow]

Guys should i keep our BIS weapon on heroe or i take a mythic weapon critic+versa??

[jagged pier]

well as ilvl trumps all

u take the myth wep

[wraith crow]

going for it, thx mate

[urban sequoia]

do y'all think heavy repurcussions is better for shield block uptime, or into the fray for the big haste? o3o

[jagged pier]

well HR is always better for uptime

[charred shard]

Damn my stats seem skewed. Not sure I need that much haste

[urban sequoia]

Yeye, I just mean which one is better for M+

[jagged pier]

stats look fine

[jagged pier]

which ever u prefer

[charred shard]

Btw would swapping the wrist enchant to mobility instead of avoidance be a noticeable trap? I'm feeling slow a fck (especially in TOP when running from one wing to another)

[jagged pier]

u should have leech on bracers and back

damage reduced by avoidance is damage we dont care about

[charred shard]

and so same question but in the context of : from leech to mobility?

[jagged pier]

no leech only

[charred shard]

ty

[slender bison]

Get Quick Footwork instead of Rally in ToP

Leave Leech enchant where possible

Avoidance is nice, but a caster stat

[alpine edge]

what should i pick here, i have no gear(641) i see the crafted bracers are in the bis list..

[slender bison]

Myth always, rest you can farm Heroic and catalyze. Trinket get from Dinar lady

[maiden ravine]

maybe I've just been unlucky, its doable, but annoying, especially in the mage district

Just sucks to be in there for 30 minutes and then wipe

[slender bison]

Craft shield and weapon first

[alpine edge]

sure, should i upgrade these myth bracers with crests

[slender bison]

No, save crests for shield craft

Then sword

Then other

A 681 shield will make you giga tank at 641

Then move to 7-10s range and farm heroic gear and catalyze for 4p set

The gilded farm dump 180 into shield/weapon

Move to 10s for Myth vault next week

[alpine edge]

yeah i will ty, bit unluck to get bracers

[slender bison]

There's not reason to get the set since it's low level. Easier to catalyze hero track

[urban sequoia]

If I want to run disrupting shout in M+, what's best to drop for it?

[jagged pier]

sof

[slender bison]

SoF or Instigate, depends if you're using Ravager. Or drop BsV and use SoF + Disrupt if you're not doing 15s+

[charred shard]

How come so many people make that choice? Isn't Honed Reflexes better on every aspects?

[jagged pier]

honed reflects does nothing

[slender bison]

Honed Reflexes is a meme. 5% more shield walls and -1s to Pummel

[charred shard]

i mean more shield wall, so more avatar, so more avatared-demolish

[slender bison]

Crackling is not needed in dungeons with low density mobs

[jagged pier]

but u get SW every 50s so every 49

with the talent

[slender bison]

^

[charred shard]

oh

[jagged pier]

well maybe slighlty less

[charred shard]

y that is poo poo

[jagged pier]

but u dont just send SW because u have it

u do need to save it sometimes

[slender bison]

I only take Honed Reflex in ToP due to -1s pummel for clutch saves at big caster pulls

But that's because I don't have anything else

[dawn iris]

is there a 4p tracker wa for prot warrior ? i cant find it anywhere

[slender bison]

If you get auto Shield Wall, that's your WA

[patent scroll]

There are multiple in wago but why would you bother tracking it

It changes literally nothing in your gameplay, it's just information bloat

[jagged pier]

there will be 2 pc trackers out there

[dawn iris]

yeah make sense xD

TY

[charred shard]

@jagged pier / @slender bison do you have similar "explain-it-to-a-toddler" reasons of why people are taking "Fueled by Violence" instead of "Brutal Vitality" ? It's the only other hesitation I have. In my mind, avoiding to take dmg is better than taking dmg and then healing it

[jagged pier]

because yoda said it was better

when the maths say its not

outside of very very very big pulls (and u arent doing those pull size even in top keys)

cause the maths came from Sense doing those keys

the difference is very small tho

and wont change a thing

[slender bison]

Fuel by Violence gives direct healing based on Deep Wounds which is always a baseline, but you have to press IP more. Brutal Vitality falls off in high keys when your IP absorb is deleted in a GCD. Let me get the data from this channel

#protection message

Diff is minor

But Deep wounds is constant, while you can have downtime of IPs when BV does not trigger

[sharp merlin]

If you're mid demolish, can I put shield wall up for the avatar before the final hit of the channel is done for the extra dmg? Or is it over?

[blazing ridge]

just try it out?

I tried it out you can.

[patent scroll]

I found out yesterday that you can leap during it as well

[blazing ridge]

But you cant Avatar during it

[ionic nimbus]

Because u can use defensives

And avatar is none

[sinful copper]

If I press the wrong target to my side to demolish, it turns my character to face them. Am I getting hit in the back by those on the opposite side? Lol

[patent scroll]

most likely

[woeful trellis]

Yeah you can use it, i guess the question was, are you dealing more dmg or was the calculation when u pressed it without avatar rolling

[urban sequoia]

Do higher levels of M+ scale the "difficulty" for block/armor values at all, or is it always the same?

[slender bison]

Even Prot warrs want VDH in group to sigil of chains for Demolish

Cringeeee

[patent scroll]

K value always stays the same, changes between seasons (usually)

[urban sequoia]

And... Is it the same between M0s and M+? I was just trying to get a sense for the number.

[patent scroll]

It should be the same in M0 and M+ yeah

Yoinked straight from Peak

Level 80 Season 2 M0/M+: 136,500.000954 (ExpectedStatModID: 325; ArmorConstMod: 1.36500000954)
The Gallagio LFR: 122,300.004959 (ExpectedStatModID: 237; ArmorConstMod: 1.22300004959)
The Gallagio Normal: 131,700.003147 (ExpectedStatModID: 306; ArmorConstMod: 1.31700003147)
The Gallagio Heroic: 142,299.997807 (ExpectedStatModID: 324; ArmorConstMod: 1.42299997807)
The Gallagio Mythic: 154,400.002956 (ExpectedStatModID: 326; ArmorConstMod: 1.54400002956)
The Gallagio Story Mode: 106,599.998474 (ExpectedStatModID: 279; ArmorConstMod: 1.06599998474)

[blazing ridge]

You might be right. Need to be tested.

[sharp merlin]

bingo!

[blazing ridge]

Just ran a few test Demolish, seems like you can certainly press Shieldwall to get the extra dmg midcast

[sharp merlin]

noice

now I just need to learn how to play the class properly 😂

I find it's generally less stressful when I don't mash my buttons like I'm playing ret 😂

[blazing ridge]

xdd

I feel you

just rolled Prot too

[digital sluice]

Dunno. I just keep demolish until avatar

[sharp merlin]

I send, whilst frothing 😄

[digital sluice]

Or shieldwall during. the bonus avatar is the same lenght as the cast

[digital sluice]

Always head on

no think only smash

[sharp merlin]

I think I just need to stop being afraid of pressing shield wall liberally

[digital sluice]

oh spam that shit

especially when you have two

[sharp merlin]

I'm just using IP mostly lol

[blazing ridge]

have atleast one cd always rolling I guess

[sharp merlin]

yeah, I need to be better at that

[digital sluice]

Have always that and SB up and you gucci

[sharp merlin]

yeah SB is always up, don't you worry 😄

and then I switch to battle stance on certain boss fights when he's not hitting me

[digital sluice]

I dont even bother switching

[blazing ridge]

And then forget to switch and get globbered next pack xd

[digital sluice]

Death

[karmic stream]

Impenetrable wall or Defender's Aegis for m+?

[jagged pier]

DA

[karmic stream]

Tnx

[echo egret]

Any special counter for Sir Braunpike's Blazing Strike ?

[slender bison]

Spell Block for Blazing Strike. Mitigation for rest. Including Spell Reflection for MDR

[idle copper]

This week's dinar -
Currently 681 crafted sword and shield
Have access to the Rix Dinar mythic sword and shield but I'm not guaranteed to get in a group for another kill.
I currently have Hero Mud and I'm starting 14s

Guaranteed shield with the dinar or mythic mud?

[hardy snow]

shield makes you tankier all the time, mud makes you tankier only when you use it

[tawny herald]

Have any of you fellow warriors been playing VDH this season too and can give me your opinion on pros n cons? I enjoy my VDH but theres just something about the mitigation from a warrior. Im a little concerned with the button bloat tho. Whats your take if you have played both?

[woeful trellis]

I would go and kill the mythic boss and then decide 💪

[idle copper]

Love the utility just prefer the theme of Pwar. Bit counterintuitive but I feel more mobile on the pwar

[slender bison]

VDH has 2-3 buttons less that warr but interrupt toolkit parity. It has a risk of dying in the first GCDs until you learn brand/spikes and chain pulls. Does less damage but has better sustain than warr. Pairs well with casters

VDH is also more resilient to magic damage

[round pendant]

Stein's bad right?

such a bad vault

[wispy moth]

I stopped using it, didnt saw the difference x)

RIng is bis right?

[round pendant]

it's vers mastery I highly doubt that

[wispy moth]

Or spaulders if you want to catalyse it

[round pendant]

already got

[solid sun]

Stein bad

[wispy moth]

Ah, thought was the haste versaz

[ionic nimbus]

Socket

[slender bison]

Nah, it's blood signet Prot bis, bis for fury though

[round pendant]

socket

pain

[wispy moth]

Go for currency 😄

[round pendant]

I'm good on rings

[wispy moth]

yup!

[ionic nimbus]

If u still got open socket Slots, I would call you lucky

[wispy moth]

Got your first ring in my vault this morning 😄

[round pendant]

unfort I don't have anything worth socketing rn

hero helm and hero waist (already socketed)

[slender bison]

Get 3k gold. Gear is temporary. Gold is forever

[round pendant]

oh it does bracers too, shame those are hero also

[slender bison]

It will finance 10 S3 repairs

[ionic nimbus]

Craft Bracers and socket them

[idle copper]

Low amounts of Vers (11%) is kinda meh for us yep?

[wispy moth]

Got 5% (2.5% dmr) and feel it fine haha

but got 30%+ crit / haste

[round pendant]

you.. can put sockets on crafted items?

I did not know this

[wispy moth]

Not sure about this

[karmic plinth]

you can

[wispy moth]

oh

[karmic plinth]

assuming its a socket slot

[round pendant]

idk why I just assumed you couldn't do that

weird

[karmic plinth]

i have 0%

[wispy moth]

cuz crafted works differntly, i thought like you too

[ionic nimbus]

It’s definitely possible to socket crafted items

And bracers are the perfect slot for embellishments

[patent scroll]

Pretty sure at 0% vers sims would tell you to equip some

[idle copper]

I've got a verse heavy (and crit) mythic ring
Got the option of a balanced haste/crit mythic ring in vault. Swapped the ring or take the socket?

[solid sun]

Yeah like it isn’t ideal to have 0% of any stat pretty sure, but we certainly don’t have any real reason to target verse

Sim it

[karmic plinth]

i have just blindly followed the robot

and apparently ended up with very few pieces with vers

[wispy moth]

I only target ilvl then haste crit x)

[idle copper]

My other rings 681 crafter haste/crit so ilvl trumps that then rather than mythic Verse ring ?

[solid sun]

Sim it

[idle copper]

Fair one, I just kinda like haste and not having global downtime

It doesn't happen often but I still get (sparse) downtime on being able to press something

[lusty grotto]

dont get too hyped, im keeping it under control lol

[lusty grotto]

eh 20k haste is more than enough if you're around that mark

[sharp merlin]

I like it, but the gameplay loop is extremely dull

[lusty grotto]

remember this season we dont want as much haste due to tier set

so 19 to 21k is usually more than enough to cover SB uptime, which is what we primarily want haste for

[sharp merlin]

My mastery is quite low, do we need it?

[lusty grotto]

need no

want, depends on sims

[solid sun]

Just follow the robot

[lusty grotto]

tier set has enough to cover the bare minimum

yes, robot good

[sharp merlin]

I also prefer tanks to be tanks, despite loving bdk 😂

I soak damage, and my health bar shouldn’t move

[solid sun]

I’ve decided I don’t like vdh because it’s too much debuff stuff

Only explanation I can come to

[sharp merlin]

It does feel like tanking in ez mode too haha

[urban bane]

what causes this shield charge bug with logs

where it says I only cast one shield charge

[lusty grotto]

the double damage fixes they did a while ago

[urban bane]

ohhhh

[lusty grotto]

unfortunately

[round pendant]

I didn't play wow much over the last week

and I feel like I've lost all capability to play well

[tawny herald]

Which one of them you find dull? The warrior loop? And do you refer to hitting IP and Shield rince repeat?

[lusty grotto]

you dont press IP rinse repeat

you press it at 70+ rage

arent we talking about VDH anyway?

im so confused

you asked about VDH

he replied with that

???

[tawny herald]

I asked about the difference and some inputs and experiences and thats why I asked specefically if pom was refereing his "I find it dull" to warrior or vdh

[lusty grotto]

its implied its VDH

since thats what you asked

i play a VDH alt, what do you want to know?

i prefer prot, but ive been prot since vanilla

VDH is my 2nd favorite tank though

outside of meta seasons at least

[tawny herald]

Dont stress it NIm. I assume I got answer above on what i Intentionally asked.

[lusty grotto]

are you a VDH main asking about prot?

or is it the other way around?

[sharp merlin]

To answer your question it’s one which can’t be quantified or qualified, it’s a feel thing which is unique for every player

[lusty grotto]

yeah its subjective

[sharp merlin]

I feel as though the VDH is quite a boring loop, I feel as though the Prot warrior is more engaging

[tawny herald]

Thanks pom. :)

[sharp merlin]

I also quite like playing the non meta spec and pushing it as high as I can go, hence why I said VDH feels like I’m playing ez mode

[lusty grotto]

its only ezmode cause you get invited

[round pendant]

vdh just feels kinda clunky

[lusty grotto]

but otherwise its the same

[sharp merlin]

If I don’t manage my rage properly, it’s gonna be death, on VDH, the self healing can get you out of a jippy

[lusty grotto]

defensivewise

[round pendant]

also the kinda forced gaps in mit

[sharp merlin]

I don’t join other keys I only make my own

[round pendant]

I'm too used to pwar where we always have mit up

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats fine

[round pendant]

also I'm gonna say it, none of vdh's abilities have any weight or feel to them

[lusty grotto]

@tawny herald can you answer what i asked?

[round pendant]

they're all noodles

[sharp merlin]

I currently have VDH, Blood and now Prot above 3k and was gonna do a bear but I’m gonna say no cause gearing kills me

[round pendant]

you can get 630 or so pretty easy with visions right

[sharp merlin]

Yeah I know but it’s the crest farm

5-6x 12s to do one piece of gear and I’m not a mouth breather like growl who plays for a living 😂

[lusty grotto]

i guess this guy refuses to engage

but im going to assume hes the vdh main asking about prot

[tawny herald]

its not about engaging. Pom answered my question just fine. I was just curious and in my text above i state that I play VDH and was curious about pwar and afarid of the (what I feel) alot of buttons.

Nothing really to discuss?

[round pendant]

also vdh has way more button bloat than pwar

[lusty grotto]

i mean when you drop questions and arent specific, what can you expect?

button bloat is about the same

[tawny herald]

specefic? I said specefically I was playing vdh :D?

[lusty grotto]

if youre used to VDH buttons, prot isnt any different

[sharp merlin]

If you don't use sigils it can be a lot less 😛 ahahah

[lusty grotto]

specific about button bloat, stop being so defensive

[round pendant]

I feel like maybe they're similar amounts but you're pressing more shit more often as vdh

[lusty grotto]

im not attacking you here, unless you give me a reason to

[round pendant]

attack me nim

[sharp merlin]

yeah I feel like im spamming on my vdh

[tawny herald]

:)

[sharp merlin]

I think my biggest issue atm is being hit in the back during gathering, and I'm super used to being able to grip an add in on my bdk

I also have to get used to the fact I no longer have a ranged interrupt, which sucks

[lusty grotto]

not getting hit on the back is beneficial for all tanks

[round pendant]

btw I feel like mr vdh here and nim had a bit of a misunderstanding

settle down lads

[slender bison]

I put the glyph that makes Heroic Throw show your weapon. And got the biggest 1h sword I could find (from WoD glad vendor)

Now I feel good

[lusty grotto]

im not misunderstanding anything lmao

im used to it

[sharp merlin]

Excuse me WHAT

[round pendant]

Oh shit I need that

[sharp merlin]

There's a glyph for that?

I NEED THIS

[lusty grotto]

uh yes

[round pendant]

I forgot all about it

[sharp merlin]

Oh mate, I have the blue lightsaber, I can't wait to see that thrown

[slender bison]

Get a giga weapon xmog

[sharp merlin]

AHAHA

[slender bison]

Or a fiery axe from BlackRock Foundry

Also get fiery charge glyph

And execute bloody guts glyph

[sharp merlin]

Oh mate

thank you!! that is sick

If you could transfer crests across char's that would be sick

[ionic nimbus]

Did you say thunderfury?

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-warcraft-thunderfury-wow-mine-gif-27449908

[lusty grotto]

agreed

or buy a bag with a lesser amount thats warbound

[ionic nimbus]

With the additional two steps, gearing a new alt is so much pain… not gonna happen

[lusty grotto]

at least valorstones arent a problem anymore

since transferable

[past cobalt]

boys, what do I take here?

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims best

[past cobalt]

what do I sim for M+? My guild is about to stop raiding for the season

[cerulean tusk]

That is a mythic track 1hander, ye?

Do you already have one? If no, then just pick it. And sleep.

[lusty grotto]

thats our bis 1h

but other shit might sim higher if they have a myth weapon already

[topaz latch]

bis one hander

[cerulean tusk]

Rat in a hat overcomplicating things as per usual

smh

[topaz latch]

remixed ignition saber for mog

[lusty grotto]

its not complicated

"just sim"

[cerulean tusk]

you are complicated, wdum

[topaz latch]

???

just sim for result?

[past cobalt]

I have a hero track 1h

[cerulean tusk]

Just grab the weapon, dont worry about it

[lusty grotto]

pick the weapon, it'll sim higher regardless

so sim >>> all

[cerulean tusk]

Rat jumped his own ship

[topaz latch]

honestly that 1 h prolly sims highest, but its ur myth bis and its also top tier mog.

[lusty grotto]

it will sim higher because he has a hero weapon

its not complicated again

just sim

[topaz latch]

yeah sorry just got here, missed the part where he said he had hero

i was just saying sim

[cerulean tusk]

Just grab weapon

[solid sun]

I have an opinion on this topic

[cerulean tusk]

plz share

so I can say it doesnt matter

[solid sun]

No

Now I’m not gonna share

[past cobalt]

omg that is top tier mog. but also what do I sim for M+, just dungeonslice or something else?

[topaz latch]

patcherk 5 min for boss/ st

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter what you sim

[topaz latch]

patchwerk 5 boss 1 min for multitarget

[lusty grotto]

it'll still sim higher

cause you have a hero weapon

[topaz latch]

also the nim is correct

[lusty grotto]

myth shield > myth weapon over crafted over hero track

always

a weapon ilvl increase directly increases your throughput

[cerulean tusk]

Imagine how much easier this would've been, Nim. If you didnt tell him to sim, but just take the weapon

[lusty grotto]

im here to explain

not to give cliff notes

and saying sim helps him with other picks later on

teach a man to fish

[cerulean tusk]

Teach him to fish, after he eaten so he doesnt starve to death mid explaination

[lusty grotto]

whatever

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-cat-sleep-cat-gif-1833006167751974340

[solid sun]

I enjoy fishing

Peaceful

[cerulean tusk]

I enjoy it better, when the rat bites

https://tenor.com/view/amma-cat-ts-js-pmo-icl-pmo-cat-gif-9038313483801766180

[warm plinth]

So not only did they yoink gift from us, but apparently even with the res talent, you still can't res people in visions without using an orb

[woeful trellis]

Soo what glyph do I need when I get home

[solid sun]

I hate the mage dude

[jagged pier]

mage dude is fine u just need to run round the images u spawn instead of SR through them

as u need int and SR for mage

[charred shard]

is 3.840M DPS good for a 679 ilvl warprot on a 5targets/3minutes/80%dawnthread sim ? feels low

[solid sun]

There’s a tentacle boy in the trade district that also channels into you. I tried stunning him but that didn’t work. Maybe LOS? Or maybe I’m just not killing fast enough

[lusty grotto]

just kill them and go next

caster? insta kill, run to next pack, ignore bolstering

thats what i did week 1

and also last week for 8 masks

[solid sun]

I don’t know where my insta kill button is

[lusty grotto]

1 shield slam and they die

[solid sun]

The normal mobs sure

[lusty grotto]

or an SC

you mean the mini boss then

[solid sun]

But the dude who channels into you is an elite

[jagged pier]

im pretty sure that channel doesnt so sanity damage anymore

[lusty grotto]

yeah just kick the first one, and burst him he dies in nothing

[jagged pier]

didnt this morning to me

[solid sun]

Hmm. It did yesterday after work but maybe they hotfixed it

I gave the duo thing a try

[jagged pier]

what even is that

[solid sun]

I’m assuming it gets more interesting later or something

If you look at your map of Diagonal you’ll see an icon Southeast

There’s a bunch of npcs there and if you do it you go to a little instance where you fight bosses

[jagged pier]

so brawlers guild?

[solid sun]

Kinda?

[jagged pier]

and i bet on ppl

[solid sun]

Brawler adjacent?

[slender bison]

My guild is empty, so much content draught, so many unsubs

[jagged pier]

patch usual length as any

more content tbh than most patches with all the extra stuff they added in

[solid sun]

It’s so funny to enter a conversation where people are discussing content that recently released that they’re doing and then you say there’s no content

[round pendant]

I mean

depends on what you mean by content

[deep heron]

Kinda stupid question, I was looking at the Talent Tree for Protection and noted a few interact with the Deep Wounds condition. I was under the impression that this was only available to Arms.

I know its not recommended to take those perks, but where does Deep Wounds come from?

[round pendant]

content in general? sure they've added stuff

content that's engaging for someone who prefers harder or group content? nah?

[jagged pier]

imma say this for i dont know how many times, its is content and its content for tbh a majority of the player base if u dont view it as content that is perfectly fine. I dont ither. but for like most ppl this is content

majority of players literally do this stuff because a majority of players dont even going into m+ or raid at all ever

[slender bison]

It's passive applied via Revenge and Devastator

[lusty grotto]

yeah this content is good for the game in general

im glad they are releasing it

[round pendant]

Devastate and Revenge apply deep wounds

[topaz latch]

this is the most content ive been engaged in, this late into a season

id normally just be raidlogging now

[jagged pier]

just remeber if u time like a +5 u are better than like 80% of the player base

[toxic pewter]

YES

[topaz latch]

oh, i am at least better than 80% of the player base : )

[round pendant]

yeah I ain't saying the content isn't content

I'm just saying it's not engaging for guilds who primarily focus on progging or doing m+ together

[deep heron]

Thanks!

[toxic pewter]

most people arent even in a guild probably

[round cliff]

so on thursday we get a full day of sprocketmonger prog

what do i need to know

[lusty grotto]

i dont know why that's a bad thing, youre just saying things we already know

[jagged pier]

face the boss

[lusty grotto]

how do you know people in those guilds dont enjoy that content as well?

[round cliff]

ive heard

[slender bison]

Fake stats. It's like Steam achivements with 17% have this achievement (Finish the tutorial)

[round pendant]

Clusterhead complained about content draught, people said "but there is content tho" and I'm just sayin I understand where he's coming from?

[jagged pier]

i mean a lot of ppl in my guild including myself are raid logging at this point, which is fine thats how we enjoy the game

[topaz latch]

my whole guild would normally just be raidlogging now, but we are doing DD, visions, and even looking forward to TT III

[round pendant]

no shit it's way better than previous seasons where you'd just get nothing for 4 months

[lusty grotto]

cluster might not have played previous seasons or expansions then

[slender bison]

I did everything except SL and DF S1/S4. But I did PvP so there's that ...

[jagged pier]

ppl complaining about content draught tho, when its always like this ppl complain mid way thorugh a patch because they are done or bored, which is fine, theres plenty of other games out there u dont need to play from season start to end all the time

[lusty grotto]

and youre complaining about content draught?

🤔

you did

[round pendant]

the only reason I play so long is I play with like 4 different people who can all only play sporadically so it takes months for everyone to get their rewards

[slender bison]

Probably I miss artifact power farming

[lusty grotto]

WARLORDS OF DRAENOR and are complaining about content draught?

[round pendant]

otherwise we'd all be done in like a month or two

but idk how else they could "fix" that

[jagged pier]

endless grinds are bad

[lusty grotto]

legion even and are complaining about content draught?

[slender bison]

In my head I had TONS of stuff to do in Legion and BFA. But it was mostly AP/Azerite farm

[jagged pier]

and thats perfectly fine

hence why endless grinds are bad

i dont want to do be forced to do content

its not fun

[lusty grotto]

people that complain about missing grinds want to play this game so bad instead of doing other shit its ridiculous

[round pendant]

I mean I want to play this game because I enjoy it

[lusty grotto]

theres like 5 other games out right now

[round pendant]

but if there's nothing to do it's kinda feelsbad no?

[lusty grotto]

expedition 33

[jagged pier]

like u can still play the game as much as u did when u had those grinds

[lusty grotto]

being one of the best this year

[jagged pier]

blizzard is perfectl fine with ppl unsubing when they are done and coming back next patch

[lusty grotto]

the switch 2 just came out, arc raiders is about to drop

night reign dropped last week

[round pendant]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

next week dune

[jagged pier]

as i said there are plenty of games out there a lot of wow players literally only play wow

its a hole ppl fall into myself included

but its a dumbest hole to dig

[lusty grotto]

yeah but at least youre concious about it

of course i fell into that hole in the past

[round pendant]

I don't sub if there's nothing I wanna do anymore (I unsubbed yesterday)

[lusty grotto]

just dumb to complain about casual content being content draught

[round pendant]

but I wouldn't say no to some magical piece of content that tickles my fancy

[lusty grotto]

not for me? fine, as long as its not mandatory i can log off and play other shit

[jagged pier]

but what magical content its not like they pull it out there arse this stuff is all planned in advance

[round pendant]

I'd much rather play more wow than spend $450 or whatever on a switch 2

[jagged pier]

like yearsa

in advance

[harsh trellis]

I started playing Chrono Trigger. I missed out on this game back in 95

really awesome game.

[round pendant]

that's why I said magical, something that doesn't exist but would be nice if it did

[lusty grotto]

kinda wild you picked the switch 2 out of everything i mentioned

[round pendant]

my point is just I can understand feeling like there's nothing to do but wishing there was

[jagged pier]

i dont know what u mean by magicial like what do u want the content to be

[round pendant]

I already played exped 33 and am waiting for arc raiders so I'm kinda already doing what you're saying

but suggesting people buy a switch 2 is absurd

lmao

[lusty grotto]

but hey, if people like it, then all for them

im not suggesting anything, im saying that it dropped

[harsh trellis]

Cant wait for switch 2

skipped out on switch

[lusty grotto]

dont put words into what i said lol

[jagged pier]

im fall out of switch 2

too much

or games and console

nintendo im out

[harsh trellis]

I wanna jump back into the Nes world

I havent played any nes consoles since wii

[lusty grotto]

like i told griff, im only buying it after Duskbloods and Metroid releases, that way i have 3 games i want to play with Donkey Kong

so not right now

but there's still a lot of games around, i didnt even log on last week except for raid and on monday

[harsh trellis]

Yeah donkey kong looks awesome

also Mario kart world

[jagged pier]

duskbloods maybe, but like i got my switch just for pokemon and tbh the quality of those games have been do bad i barely play them

like i play my GBC more than my switch

[lusty grotto]

yeah the last pokemon was hot fucking garbage

i 100% agree

[jagged pier]

and the new one does come out on old switch

but it was lagging in the trailer

on the new switch

so like do i want it on the old one?

probably not

[lusty grotto]

ill probably get it on it, i dont see why not

[round pendant]

pokemon hasn't been good since b/w2

[lusty grotto]

the arceus one was fun

[round pendant]

I kinda liked ultra sun/moon

[lusty grotto]

same

[round pendant]

but I haven't played any switch ones but they look like cheeks

[jagged pier]

didnt even finish sun and moon, was so bored by the constant story stops

[round pendant]

except arceus yea

forgot about those

[lusty grotto]

legends: arceus was fun

[round pendant]

yeah that shit is brutal lmao

[lusty grotto]

sword and shield was okay-ish

[round pendant]

first 3 hours is a tutorial and story slog

[lusty grotto]

violet and whatever was fucking garbage

[solid sun]

V Rising’s latest update was cash money if you want another game to play that can be pretty challenging. $35 iirc

[lusty grotto]

fucking christ i picked the spark instead of the socket

[round pendant]

can't refund?

[lusty grotto]

no lmao

[round pendant]

rip

[lusty grotto]

ill just put a ticket in fuck it

who decided to swap scoket positions this season on the vendor

[round pendant]

idk what they could add though

[sinful copper]

Yeah I guarantee they don't refund u

[round pendant]

I was hoping we'd get another mega dungeon this expac

I liked the last one

[lusty grotto]

i dont care about your guarantee im petioning anyway

[sinful copper]

Lol

[lusty grotto]

i also know they wont but fuck em

[woeful trellis]

Dungeon achievements when?

[solid sun]

Mega dungeons are my jam

[round pendant]

but at the end of the day I don't think it's crazy for people who pay $10/month to want content that they like to be added to the game

wait is it even $10/month

it's 10gbp but I can't do the gbp symbol on my keyboard lmao

[lusty grotto]

15 bucks a month

[round pendant]

yea thought so

[jagged pier]

I look at it like this if u get 15 hours of content from it a month then its worth

[round pendant]

That is a fair take

[woeful trellis]

Is it druid month again?

[lusty grotto]

careful..

careful where youre going with this

[round pendant]

[lusty grotto]

also that wasnt funny at all

[solid sun]

I didn’t even get it

Just gonna keep it moving

[odd flint]

💯

[lusty grotto]

oh its the other half of the asmongold crew

[round pendant]

honestly tho I'd be happier with more rewards in m+

[lusty grotto]

[round pendant]

m+ is the only reason I stay subbed

gimme a 3500 reward

and a 3250 reward

and 10man mythic raid

[woeful trellis]

This will not happen cause we are 0.x %

[round pendant]

and I'll never complain about content draughts ever again

[lusty grotto]

those benefit such a small portion

i wouldnt even do it if i was an executive and high rated at the same time

waste of development time and costs

[woeful trellis]

Maybe we need a 0.1% month 🙈

[solid sun]

Fully on board with 10m mythic raid. Think it’s better for the game

[woeful trellis]

I miss the time of 10 man kara etc

[round pendant]

the 3250/3500 rewards can just be titles or recoloured mounts from previous seasons or whatever

I ain't motivated for title range cause it's a moving goalpost

[lusty grotto]

nobody that is 3500 cares about those

or would care

its either title or nothing

[round pendant]

obviously?

[lusty grotto]

at that point

and 3500 is not even close to title range

obviously? then why do something that those players dont even care about lol

[round pendant]

because it's not for the people who are currently 3500?

[solid sun]

I think the point of a goal like that is to entice others to work towards it, but the content that high becomes so hard a lot of people just can’t or won’t ever reach it regardless of if the reward exists or not

[round pendant]

Those people are motivated by the rio/pushing to title

[slender bison]

An evoker used Wing Buffet and pushed the mobs behind me. Guess what happened

[lusty grotto]

yes

and thats free

so why do more

[lusty grotto]

just shockwave

[solid sun]

I actually think they’ve done a very good job with m+ after the changes this season

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

[topaz latch]

this has been my fav m+ season

[lusty grotto]

this season has been one of the best seasons in forever

[solid sun]

My only remaining critique is that m+ers only getting one myth track piece a week via vault if they’re lucky is kinda beans

Think loot needs to be looked at

[round pendant]

it's a good season but turbo boost ruined it imo

[lusty grotto]

probably since SL S4 (the only good SL season)

[solid sun]

I’m not sure how to fix said loot, I just know it feels off

[lusty grotto]

kinda getting to the best seasons (all of BFA lmao except s1)

[round pendant]

pre-turbo boost 12s and stuff were at a good point I felt

like not too easy not too hard

and now they're just insanely trivial and made it so I had to farm another 500 crests

despair

[lusty grotto]

i mean

its the same thing, the key level just moved 2-3 slots up

[round pendant]

yeah

I get that

[solid sun]

Turbo boost reinvigorated my friends tbh

[lusty grotto]

it was gonna happen regardless, on a lesser extent when people ilvl capped

[round pendant]

Just think it was in a sweet spot with difficulty for the 3k reward, time invested, etc

[urban bane]

I say this every week when I play with my friends, but I've not yet reached the point where I feel bored of the dungeons. They're just quite fun!

[urban bane]

Mythic raiding otoh

[round cliff]

reportmaxxing arc?

[lusty grotto]

i actually feel raiding is on a good place

[round pendant]

only dungeons I am SICK of are DFC and ToP

[solid sun]

I’ve enjoyed the dungeons this season. I still look forward to doing more each week

[lusty grotto]

the curve in the raid is spot on, except for, or so i hear, gally

im actually sick of ML

instead of those

but mostly cause... ive done ML so much

[patent scroll]

The curve is just off

OAB was/is the last boss

[lusty grotto]

both this season and throughout BFA

[patent scroll]

[lusty grotto]

yeah well

[round pendant]

also there are THOUSANDS of people above 3k rating who'd benefit from more goals and would stay subbed to achieve them

I think 3250 is a good reward

[lusty grotto]

mug'zee aint a push over either

[solid sun]

ML makes me feel old because people clamor for all this seal team six bull crap and I refuse

[round pendant]

it'd get blizz hundreds of thousands of dollars of free money to add a recolour at 3250

😔

[round cliff]

yea i hit 3k and idgaf anymore

now i just do welfare keys for guildie alts

[round pendant]

I'd be more into pushing rio if I had a consistent 5man

pugging for just rio is cbt

I'd pug for a recolour tho

[round cliff]

i have a consistent 5man and still don't care xd

[lusty grotto]

meh

[sharp gale]

I’d pug if Blizz put everyone on voice at the start of a key

[lusty grotto]

that'd be a recipe for disaster

[round cliff]

in a fun way

do it

[lusty grotto]

though to be fair... proximity chat would be funny

[sharp gale]

Recipe for fun

[slender bison]

"Hello sir, route?"

[lusty grotto]

i guess you guys dont play a lot of games with voip on

get ready to hear everyone's kitchen all the time, or the wife/mom

[sharp gale]

I play counter strike

[lusty grotto]

congratulations

[sharp gale]

And voice comms is half of the fun of the game in low ranks

[lusty grotto]

people that play CS dont have open mics all the time

different group of people

[solid sun]

My voice comms etiquette is awful and I mostly just refuse to keybind a push to talk. I feel I have enough keybinds already

[patent scroll]

Unironically, buy a foot pedal

[lusty grotto]

you know cause if you pugged on disc, youd have open mics as if they're playing on ps5 or xbox

i dont push to talk

i voice activate, fuck push to talk

but my shit has noise suppression

[solid sun]

I do my best to make sure noise suppression is working well

[sharp gale]

You don’t have to talk, forcing ppl in voice is to make ppl who want to talk, talk and the others listen

[solid sun]

But my daughter comes running in screaming daddy daddy all the time

[lusty grotto]

same

"forcing"

see

thats kind of the problem

[sharp gale]

Forcing in the way it is enabled by default, and you have to do smth to turn off

[lusty grotto]

nobody likes a game forcing you something down your throat

[cerulean tusk]

Am I getting another 7 day ban from the Nim ratting me out?

[lusty grotto]

nah i petitioned cause i fucking bought the spark instead of the socket

[cerulean tusk]

ooouch

[lusty grotto]

just waiting for the decline

[cerulean tusk]

They fixed it for a mate of mine, so I give you a fair chance

[lusty grotto]

i replied

[frosty mango]

Foot pedal is bis

[round cliff]

speak for urself

[lusty grotto]

gonna give em hell

[round cliff]

oh ur talking about games

nvm

[lusty grotto]

[frosty mango]

My guild clowns me about my foot pedals

[urban bane]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-gif-24576101

[frosty mango]

Enjoy your green parses casuals

[round pendant]

flirt

I wish this discord let me use my own emotes

I need to get some rio I'm only top 100 on my realm now

but

[sharp gale]

Don’t pretend like it means something

We aren’t fools

[dusky canopy]

@sharp gale so I recently made leap a @cursor macro right.. so my brain went into auto pilot towards the end of our kill pull and what I intended to do was the first click of leap so I could position the green circle where I wanted it and then leap out right after the missles landed to get the speed boost and race back to boss around the lightning well.. that doesn’t work when you have it in @cursor

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1335545881793138733/1379716289328844850/air_jordan.mp4?ex=6841406d&is=683feeed&hm=78f82238505f8a18e430e9e3c48b23420828b10ac264a13daca3221631fbfccb&

[woeful trellis]

Did you play when halftime chat was a thing!?😂

[dusky canopy]

[sharp gale]

Yes halftime chat W

[round pendant]

god that's a throwback

I mostly quit cs back in 2017 or 18

[sharp gale]

That is a clip

[round pendant]

there was some crazy cheater epidemic that just ruined it

I don't think I've ever so consistently encountered cheaters in any other game compared to that time

even tarkov wasn't as bad

[dusky canopy]

Not only did I fail with cursor macro I landed perfectly where all 3 overlap lmfao

[sharp gale]

There is one moment I want to find again, I’m placing myself to soak the cone, someone is on my right and left + triple orange AoE under me, I just stand there and… don’t die

I was in shock for few seconds

[lusty grotto]

thats like me on your mom

[dusky canopy]

Leaping to your death??

[lusty grotto]

well yes, but on your mom

[solid sun]

What a way to go

[frosty mango]

Why is brews name not red

Mans been demoted

[solid sun]

“Here lies Nimchip, died as he lived. Leaping on Brew’s mom”

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

Nah I gotta renew nitro lmao

[sharp gale]

nitro boost ur mom

[frosty mango]

Poetic justice would be dying as brews mom lept on him

[lusty grotto]

god damn

[frosty mango]

We call that a twist of fate

[dusky canopy]

My mom fights men

[lusty grotto]

how the turn tables

[dusky canopy]

You better be strong!

[solid sun]

Imagine

[frosty mango]

I’m back to CE raiding next tier, gotta pump up my numbers

[solid sun]

Get new foot pedals

[frosty mango]

I already have fatty pedals

[solid sun]

Make sure they’re adequately oiled up

[sharp gale]

i'm gonna open my vault 🙏

[frosty mango]

Gotta get the industrial ones bc my legs too strong

[frosty mango]

If you get flame vents sorry. It’s been a popular troll this week

[lusty grotto]

i got red button 2nd week in a row

[dusky canopy]

I took S.A.D.

[lusty grotto]

still need rik neck, stix 2h and cauldron belt

i was gonna take S.A.D.

[frosty mango]

Rix neck not real

Cauldron belt irrelevant

[sharp gale]

i will open alts vault before sim this one

[lusty grotto]

but i fat fingered the stupid spark so thats why i petitioned

[frosty mango]

My war still rocking a 681 one hander im cooked

[lusty grotto]

my younger bro got it last week

[sharp gale]

i still have the crafted shield

[lusty grotto]

i was fucking jelly

[frosty mango]

I have myth cinder neck

So I can’t complain much

[lusty grotto]

i have crafted

[frosty mango]

I’m 683.x so weap really all I really need

[hot orbit]

In your opinion, should I keep Cyrce's Circlet, buy Jastor Diamond heroic or wait until I find another ring in m+/vault?

[sharp gale]

nice vault on monk

[solid sun]

Peak performance

[frosty mango]

The wowhead guide has logic to help you decide what to pick

[lusty grotto]

hero jastor not worth the dinar

unless if youre hard capped on content

as in, you cant do all 12s

and/or have both myth trinkets and you dont raid

its also not an opinion

its sim-backed

[solid sun]

Nome cracked me up. He said something like

If you want jastor diamond just craft a mastery ring

Something like that

[hot orbit]

Ok guys ty all

[sharp gale]

tbf as fury i don't use hoc bc i have a big mastery ring

[solid sun]

Yo that motorcycle from visions was way more costly than I anticipated

[jagged pier]

yer engineers finally making some money

[lusty grotto]

was it?

[jagged pier]

and not having a mount that costs 3 million to make

[lusty grotto]

i just crafted everything on my druid

[jagged pier]

well u need tier 3 of all things. and gobos are just hiking the price up

[lusty grotto]

lol naturally

i figured they would do it right off the bat

but prices werent too bad last week, i sniped a scan just in case

nimchipadin is 661

nice

[solid sun]

Growing up

Passed up my bear

Pash gonna be disappointed in me

[lusty grotto]

got myth shoulders on vault for it

gonna check vdh now

[solid sun]

Is Rixxa owning us unique to pwar

Do other tanks handle her better

[lusty grotto]

Rixxa doesn't own us

Not with spell block

Other tanks just self sustain and/or passively mitigate, they still have to use CDs on high keys like we do

[sharp gale]

jastor it is

it is funny bc i drop jastor the week i'm gonna kill M gallywix

guess i'll dinar something else and use 3rd for jastor

[solid sun]

Do yall like lusting first pull and then killing big momma as the second boss in floodgate

Or trying to get to big momma asap and lust her

[ocean smelt]

Lust first pull then Momma as second boss

[slender bison]

No, duo first then BL momma at her 1st Jumpstart

[knotty mantle]

What is the average shield wall CD with IW?

[lusty grotto]

less than 1min

with AM

[frosty mango]

My average is about 40s

[lusty grotto]

or rather correct AM use

[slender bison]

It syncs perfectly. And If you're too early, get diver packs

[lusty grotto]

yeah closer to 45s

[knotty mantle]

Why do we prefer DA then in M+ when IW is going to give us more SW coverage over the course of a dungeon?

[lusty grotto]

sorry not with IW

IW was nerfed, its rage gained was removed

which indirectly nerfs AM wall cdr

[sharp gale]

Rage Moved to Col tree*

[lusty grotto]

and also Wall base CD was reduced

DA is a shitton more valuable due to those two facts

45s with DA, not IW

[knotty mantle]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I see. That makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

[sharp gale]

I think it’s 1 min cd with IW, I only played it early but I remember noticing it

[lusty grotto]

sorry, its weird but i just got used to IW being named instead of DA for additional wall cdr/charges

it was 45s

pre-nerf

[sharp gale]

Yes talking post

[lusty grotto]

could be

[sharp gale]

Since I use SW to demolish

You notice the difference

[round pendant]

what's the biggest demolish you guys have had

I hit a 66m the other day

(all mobs)

[lusty grotto]

on damage amps?

[round pendant]

in 1 hit number I think most I've seen is 17m on damage amp rookery

[lusty grotto]

or on non-damage amps?

[round pendant]

either or

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea, i would have to check logs

i have combat text off

[round pendant]

It's also so fuckin wack how demolish hits consistently higher on prot than arms

but I could also just be doing it wrong

[round pendant]

You should get that WA that highlights your dam for specific abilities

it's kinda fun

I press demolish and I see "50m" and my dopamine receptors fire off

[sharp gale]

Biggest ST demolish would be rookery or ML

[lusty grotto]

yes, because of damage amps

or on big momma

so you missed floodgate

[silk ether]

small question for you guys, I have myth seaforium, hero tome and hero house of cards, do I spend dinar on myth mud or heroic bombsuit? I'm assuming bombsuit is stronger defensively?

i'm not really min-maxing I just tank when needed in keys, and have the myth weapon and shield from the first 3 bosses

[lusty grotto]

heroic bombsuit is better

has more use cases

[silk ether]

do I use it with seaforium then or min-max tome?

[lusty grotto]

mud is just for very high floodgates (due to dot cdr) and very high key Dailcry

and a heroic mud does just as well, there's little value on a myth track

for those very specific cases

[silk ether]

gotcha, thank you!

[lusty grotto]

you use defensive trinkets with pacemaker, yes

as in you replace tome with it

do get a myth tome though, if you are just doing vault keys

[silk ether]

it does look insane, but I'm lacking a defensive trinket if I use it offensively no?

assuming tome + seaforium

I guess it's not really needed in 12s

[sharp gale]

nop, i would rather go full dam trinkets in 10-12s, more fun

[ocean smelt]

I mean

Lotta crit means lotta parry

🤷‍♀️

[lusty grotto]

just buy both

next week

[sharp gale]

yeah or just buy both

only things you are likely to buy are trinkets, you have 3 dinars so....

[harsh trellis]

I feel like im missing a dinar

I only bought 1 thing... havent missed a week.

[chilly brook]

@lusty grotto fwiw I’m not getting too hyped, it’s funcom somehow they always mess it up

[lusty grotto]

haha

they already fucked it up with this deluxe edition early access bullshit

the same bullshit blizzard pulled for this expansion

[frosty mango]

Tbh I’m not running mud/bomb until 16/17 now

With turbo boost ilvls it doesn’t feel necessary until then

[lusty grotto]

agreed

probably 17+ even

[tepid warren]

HoC / Tome or Pacemaker / Tome?

ATM only 660 working my way up

[lusty grotto]

be more specific

tracks, etc

[frosty mango]

Tome has huge defensive value as well and I think people really understate that

[tepid warren]

Ah, i only have hero track items

[lusty grotto]

both options are good

[tepid warren]

And do I just let Tome roll as warrior or do I actively keep it in crit?

[sharp gale]

i can't talk about higher keys/i don't push, you have more info, if roid says even in 16s you don't need ...

[lusty grotto]

you keep it on sword mode see pins

[frosty mango]

Check pins, tldr active crit

[tepid warren]

Ty

[frosty mango]

Stop typing so fast nerd

[lusty grotto]

beep boop

request denied

[harsh trellis]

I do swap over to shield mode in higher keys

[sharp gale]

dam i finally can recraft my neck

[lusty grotto]

shield mode isnt worth it

[sharp gale]

i will not have a billion mastery as prot now

[harsh trellis]

Meh I think it helped out with bigger pulls

[lusty grotto]

the armor wont make a huge difference, there's armor caps

that's feel crafty

[harsh trellis]

Like I just finished a 15 cinderbrew with it

[chilly brook]

Shield mode is bad

[lusty grotto]

and the shield will activate when it auto swaps

[harsh trellis]

I swapped to sword on things that werent big caster packs

[lusty grotto]

thats not why you finished that 15 cinder

[harsh trellis]

and then back to shield on bigger caster packs

[lusty grotto]

dont do that

[chilly brook]

Once again

[harsh trellis]

I felt pretty tanky

[chilly brook]

Shield mode is bad

[lusty grotto]

"felt"

[chilly brook]

Cool

[harsh trellis]

so I think im gonna keep doin me

[chilly brook]

That’s because you are tanky regardless lol

Shield mode doesn’t do shit

[lusty grotto]

yea

[chilly brook]

Also you’re just now getting to 15s lol

[lusty grotto]

you felt tankier cause you have higher ilvl

[harsh trellis]

no I got 1 more to get my resi

[sharp gale]

[chilly brook]

I promise you the theory crafting you got going on is not it

[lusty grotto]

not because of shield mode

[chilly brook]

Yeah you’re just getting to 15s this late after turbo boost and you’re trying to justify shield mode in them

[lusty grotto]

feelcrafting, you mean griff lol

[chilly brook]

Sure

[harsh trellis]

Im not tryin to justify anything Ive been usin this since before the turbo boost

[chilly brook]

Idk I woke up 10 minutes ago

[lusty grotto]

then now you know it doesnt make a difference

[harsh trellis]

IM just sayin I like to swap it out

[lusty grotto]

ok

[chilly brook]

Great so you have logs

[lusty grotto]

it still doesnt make a difference

[chilly brook]

Link logs

[round pendant]

switching to shield mode is actively trolling

[sharp gale]

wtf is dastardly duo ?

[lusty grotto]

you do you if it feels better, its just objectively wrong to say you are tankier because of it

[chilly brook]

So that way we can actually see how much the shield mode did for you

[lusty grotto]

you gain more out of the crit into parry than anything the armor will give you

and you get the shield insta when it auto swaps (into your hard swap back)

[chilly brook]

Also what caster packs even are there that have tank nukes?

I swear all the casters this season just randomly target the rest of your team and not you

@harsh trellis

[harsh trellis]

Im all good

🙂

[prime sphinx]

some of the worst pointless content i've ever seen

[chilly brook]

What does that even mean?

[harsh trellis]

means im good 🙂

Done with convo

lol

[chilly brook]

So because you’re being asked questions that make you think about the choice of using shield mode you’re just backing out?

[harsh trellis]

Naw, man im just not gonna get into this conversation

[chilly brook]

Classic tank main behavior

[violet ginkgo]

Please the convo is not even done yet

[idle copper]

Stupid question: is bomb suit generally better than mud because it has better synergy with IP??

[lusty grotto]

no

it does have better synergy with IP because its consumed after it

but its better because its 1.5 min cd

[chilly brook]

Not a stupid question

[lusty grotto]

and has more use cases

whereas mud has only 1 dungeon and 1 boss of use cases

[chilly brook]

But generally like Nim said Bomb Suit just works better because shorter CD

[lusty grotto]

is not a partial shield meaning its consumed BEFORE IP

[chilly brook]

Also partial absorb is usually more beneficial

[lusty grotto]

mud beats bomb suit in flood due to the sheer amount of dots there

[idle copper]

That's the bit that confuses me when people write it - they both absorb dmg ? But indifferent ways?

[lusty grotto]

full shields absorb damage first

then IP absorbs the remainded

then partial absorbs

so that means partial shields last longer

full absorbs though get consumed faster

[idle copper]

Ah, smashing

[chilly brook]

In general it’s not worth worrying about

[lusty grotto]

not saying they arent useful though, there are cases where full absorbs are beneficial to negate mechanics like on Gally or on the spiders in BRH

to name some examples

[chilly brook]

The thought process can just be simplified as:

1. do I need an extra cooldown in this dungeon?
2. is this dungeon floodgate or priory? If yes mud probably worth using over bomb suit. If no just use bomb suit.

[lusty grotto]

💯

also: are you a vdh and felscarred? pick mud

[chilly brook]

lol yeah

[idle copper]

I'm moving into 13/14s and been using both hoping noone inspects me thinking I'm a softie

[chilly brook]

If only monk had that interaction smh

The class with the real stagger doesn’t get it

The class with the fisher price version gets it

[lusty grotto]

only cause of the interaction with Set Fire to the Pain

yeah the monk thing makes no fucking sense

[chilly brook]

I wouldn’t recommend using either in those keys

Especially with turbo boost I don’t think they’re even remotely necessary until 16s

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[chilly brook]

And realistically more like 17s

[idle copper]

I'm not good enough in flood or Priory not to use them tbh

Im occasionally guilty of getting out of sync with my CDs and boss abilities.
Plus flood after the last couple of mobs I generally have no CDs going into the boss

[chilly brook]

Shouldnt need to heavily cycle as badly on those last 2 mobs

All you need is one shield wall going into that boss

And spell block does a lot of the heavy lifting on the two hobgoblins before the boss

Spell block is prio on those mobs since it does nothing on the boss

[idle copper]

Good to know ty

[short apex]

well that was stupidly easy

[chilly brook]

The hardest part of floodgate is just getting past big momma

Go to the duo boss first

[idle copper]

Is there anyway to change how long the warning is on DBM warning for momma's tank buster? DBM always seems to give me less than 1 global heads-up before she destroys me

[sharp gale]

On BW you can, so I guess dbm too

[chilly brook]

Honestly I just use her voice line “time to taaaango” as my DBM warning for it

[idle copper]

I do, have changed route so have BL for momma