protection

[bleak breach]

Yeah, but I think we will just list early and skip 2nd gaols now

We died on the gaols because people hadn’t seen it

Or with Vantus/extra ilvl next week we probably won’t even need to lust early

[patent scroll]

Then it's just two painpoints left and boss is dead

[bleak breach]

Yep

I assume if you skip 2nd Gaol you only get 3 in phase 2 instead of the 4?
Or does it still count as if you got it and give the 4?

[patent scroll]

You still get 4

Had to go double check because I've always just gone to my spot as a healer and ignored how many there are

[bleak breach]

Damn, I thought skipping a Gaol might mean we only get 3 for the p2 one

Oh well, still makes it easier

[sharp gale]

The p1 is kinda just heroic mug with WAs strat

now he dies at the same time as 4 gaols spawns, so it is gg if you are alive after the intermission charges

[hollow patio]

On Stix is there any benefit on having a ball tank and an add tank if you don't have a bdk for the adds? Or can you just swap on every rolling rubbish?

[lusty grotto]

probably not

unless if you have a tank that is a better ball than the other, but thats about it

otherwise its just for BDK grips, like you said

[hollow patio]

Okay ty

[bleak breach]

Not if you don’t have BDK

When we killed I did all balls and BDK stayed down at all times

[lusty grotto]

ya

[hollow patio]

We play vdh / prot warri and currently we are just swapping every rolling rubbish. Felt fine so far

Just considering playing mountain thane for easier aggro on adds but I don't think that's really that important

[lusty grotto]

eh not really

just colossus with spear

c:

[hollow patio]

People play spear on this boss?

[bleak breach]

Na play TR

[lusty grotto]

spear helps if the dumb recyclers jump

[bleak breach]

I just run the thing that gives extra TC range

[lusty grotto]

but its entirely upt oy ou

tc range is a trap, cause slow

so idk about that

but yeah without it, troar might be better for gathering

[bleak breach]

Easiest way to gather is just have a boomkin or 10 for that fight

Have them all stand near tank

[lusty grotto]

we know

we all watched the RWF

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dance-cat-cat-meme-chinese-cat-gif-1274766959165009975

[hollow patio]

Atm I am just playing normal damage build and swapped battering ram for bsv. Don't really feel like I need it but better safe than sorry I guess

[lusty grotto]

dont do that

[bleak breach]

There’s no downside to BSV.
Damage can spike in there after tank buster if you pull threat on adds

[hollow patio]

I believe I mostly procced bsv to no kicks on the channel^^

The boss itself doesn't really do that much damage

[bleak breach]

Yeah, That’s a group issue.
They need to work that out, you shouldn’t need to play around people not interrupting.

[frosty mango]

I’ve only played spear for vexie memes this tier

[bleak breach]

I play spear on Mug’zee and sprocket

[lusty grotto]

id rather play battering than ravager on stix

[frosty mango]

I’d play spear on sprocket if my dps could be trusted to not dump screws in melee

[lusty grotto]

mostly because the adds dont align with ravager cd

usually

[frosty mango]

Also stix adds are not a large part of the fight if they’re getting mushed

[lusty grotto]

yup

[frosty mango]

I haven’t done myth stix on my war but it’s not ~that~ diff from heroic and I play execute st for that

And do plenty of damage

[sharp gale]

+if you have a dps dk, you have the grabs you need

[lusty grotto]

true

[sharp gale]

Single target grab is what carry the fight

If the crabomb is in mass grab range, it is already dead

[frosty mango]

I pulled 2.3m in st execute spec I don’t see aoe talents doing much more

[sharp gale]

The only pwar kill of stix for me was : I always do balls and I did 1 m

[frosty mango]

I did balls on that kill

[sharp gale]

On the dk it is was half balls, 1.7m but it was like months ago

[frosty mango]

Haul ass out to edge when you get arrow and spawn on top of dogs then you immediate get medium, hit a few piles and you’re done, like 10s at most

I can see that not working out for wheel chair ass dk

[sharp gale]

Not allowed to roll into boss before countdown / all bombs done in my guild + we do : tank needs to clean next area

I could do balls in 10s, idc about doing balls in 10s, idc about my dps on fucking stix

[frosty mango]

We are nothing if we’re not parsing 99s

[lusty grotto]

i parsed on @dusky canopy's mom last night

https://tenor.com/view/incident-gif-2747499635347300991

[solid sun]

Nice dinner first?

[sinful copper]

[lusty grotto]

always

[frosty mango]

Easy to parse with a 3 second encounter length

[sinful copper]

[jolly swift]

looking at yoda's stats, we dont want much mastery yeah?

[solid sun]

I am tripping out

[lusty grotto]

ok calm down

[coarse latch]

I heard through the grapevine that yoda is the goat prot war

[frosty mango]

His name isn’t orange or yellow so I don’t trust him

[coarse latch]

He definitely said thane is better past 10+ /s

[jolly swift]

he is top goat

big keys

[sharp gale]

Don’t do balls then

[left escarp]

How is Ringing Mud Ritual for us?

[lusty grotto]

bad except for 1 dungeon

inferior to bomb suit otherwise

its only relevant in high floodgates and/or specifically for one boss other than that

[left escarp]

"High" being? Also, does it matter Hero Bombsuit vs. Mythic Mud Ritual? I'll never clear Mythic Gally but I could DINAR Myth Mud.

May have to start clearing H-Gally every week. /groan

[mighty valley]

What kinda keys are you doing? You don’t really need a defensive cd trinket unless you’re pushing pretty high

[left escarp]

15s, but pure pugging.

[lusty grotto]

16+

probably higher

[mighty valley]

Hero bombsuit is still generally better than myth mud except in the couple places where mud is great

[left escarp]

Certainly doesn't seem necessary IMO, even in PuGS, just considering options.

[left escarp]

Such as?

High floodgate and one other boss as above? xD

[mighty valley]

Yeah… but it’s an important boss lol

[lusty grotto]

if you dont know, you dont need it

[left escarp]

How do you just -know-

[lusty grotto]

by being in the range that damage taken is relevant

[mighty valley]

“Wow I could’ve lived that with one more defensive and that would’ve made us time the dungeon”

[lusty grotto]

or that

[left escarp]

So death by a buster, word.

yeah, I'm not close to that.

[lusty grotto]

bomb suit will cover most of those scenarios anyway

[left escarp]

will hunt a bombsuit then, NP. danke.

will keep Mud for ghetto stagger on DH

[lusty grotto]

i mean

its bad for aldrachi too

unless you FS

so basically only good for FS

[sharp gale]

Basically yes, if you think you managed a good def cd rotation and… dies bc it was emptyat some point, you might consider a def trinket

A def trinket won’t protect you if you love backshots, the usual things yada yada

[dusky canopy]

bro my mom straps are you sure!?

[jagged gust]

must... resist...

[dusky canopy]

Nim right now

[sharp gale]

He didn’t die btw @dusky canopy

I almost punched my screen

We start the night, we do only p2 pulls, so I ask our brew (my replacement as tank bc we needed a monk) : do you know when you will charge your bomb / the last bomb, he answer me YES, WE DO 1 pull EVERYONE ALIVE

BOSS15%

I see this mf running to do the bomb, he does it perfectly first try

he didn’t charge his bomb

One of the rare time I had instant urge to hit the screen

My monk is 660 ilvl now

[lusty grotto]

damn i didnt get the full treatment

[cerulean tusk]

You guys belong in #pvp

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[solid sun]

Floodgate is the last 13 I need

Then I have resi 13 and I think that means I beat the game

[jagged gust]

hah same

I'm gonna skip resil 13 and straight to 14, never seem to roll a floodgate tho

[solid sun]

I get so many workshops and priory's and tops

[sinful copper]

can u store any amount of rage before key starts?

[slender bison]

Yeah, fight mobs or use turnip target dummy

https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/item=88375/turnip-punching-bag

[sinful copper]

i can save full bar?

[slender bison]

It will decay during pull timer

But you can start FL/ML/Rook big pull with full rage and procs up, yes

[round pendant]

I love this guys videos now just for the absurd comment section

[jolly tundra]

any tips for ML 3rd boss xd

[round pendant]

when she's moveable she's slapping you

use spell reflect/spell block/defensives

[feral zealot]

If I have a 684 shield, is it worth to replace it with the Titan of industry 671?

[quiet crane]

Make sure to rotate defensives properly. Don’t blow everything at once or overlap. Spell block is your best friend and strongest cd for that fight. Keep SR on cd. And rotate avatar and SW chargers aswell as demo shout properly

[round pendant]

no

[quiet crane]

No

titan of industry is only slightly better then the same ilvl counterparts

[jolly tundra]

the "BIG" damge is every after mechanic? or just after the 3rd frontal yeh?

[feral zealot]

Thanks!

[slender bison]

The damage is auto-attack with Fire damage between every 3 jet fuel things. Check your "What happened to me" to see why you get melted. It shows attacked you with Fire damage in those phases.

[quiet crane]

^ you can get player attachments letting you know when the damage is incoming and how far along she is in her “ casts “ on the tank

she casts it a total of 5-6 times if I’m not mistaken in between frontals

[round pendant]

just say "healer problem"

[sinful copper]

ty ty

[jolly tundra]

kinda feel like healer just ignore us there tho. since they used to DH not taking any damage

[round pendant]

bad healer

pwar needs a lil hand holding sometimes

rarely, but sometimes

[sinful copper]

i almost trolled my 16 priory. forgot to put on mud trinket and i had show of force instead of aoe interrupt lol

[round pendant]

[sinful copper]

we timed it tho 😄

[round pendant]

Try not to be radicalised by the fact that vdh gets silence sigil for "free"

free in the sense that it's just part of their pathing

[sinful copper]

yeah

i just took show of force cuz i was farming 10s the other day

forgot to change back lol

[round pendant]

yea I did the same last wek

[spring mountain]

is thane more defensive than collossus?

[ionic nimbus]

Nope

They are not that different

More IP but no demolish

Revenge is feeding IP very good as col in big pulls

[spring mountain]

as in just spamming Revenge to keep ip up

[ionic nimbus]

And you got more SW (avatar Talent) as col

[dense cradle]

Thane has rp value

as dwarf

[ionic nimbus]

Thane is good, Col is just better in a lot situations

[dense cradle]

col gets bigger ip

thane just has way more rage to spend in it

[ionic nimbus]

If Thane would have the knockup I would play it from time to time

But that shockwave is huge as col

[dense cradle]

Thane doesnt get as big a rush from getting a huge demolish out

on aoe

[ionic nimbus]

But Thane has much better snap aggro when you are playing with greedy dps

[dense cradle]

What tank has the worst snap aggro nowadays

[ionic nimbus]

Guardian I guess

[dense cradle]

not bdk?

[ionic nimbus]

If I Play with Good timed BB you are pretty Safe

[dense cradle]

I should bother to play that spec

[ionic nimbus]

Guardian does mainsmg with DoTs

[dense cradle]

and not just run db to speedclear delves

[ionic nimbus]

And one of the dots has rampupw

Shitty af

[dense cradle]

for the record i do know sanlayn is better in “real” content

[ionic nimbus]

Bdk is pretty close to colossus in sanlayn

Insane good dmg

[blazing ridge]

yeah BDK dmg is insane

[frosty mango]

too bad they just die at high key levels

and have to run all the defense

[ionic nimbus]

Thats dk life

[frosty mango]

blizz been doing dks dirty for like 4 seasons

[ionic nimbus]

Dk is very good for 99,9%

[blazing ridge]

I think what fucks me the hardest ist when the mobs were all cced for quite some time, a lot of the globals from enemies combine, makes it hard to heal through sometimes..

[ionic nimbus]

You are defensive the best tank until oneshots

[blazing ridge]

its very fun to play

but also stressful

but after now dipping my toes into prot warrior I feel like I need to click atleast as much or even more buttons than on bdk xd

[ionic fern]

Bdk is boring to play.

[blazing ridge]

well its slow

warrior is fun jumping charging around thats for sure xd

[jagged gust]

Anything that isn't warrior is boring to play

why unzug when you can zug

[remote dawn]

whats the best trinketst when i was not raiding? dome and pace mythic?

[ionic fern]

Yes

[remote dawn]

merci ❤️

[hot orbit]

How to use Tome trinket correctly?

[wispy moth]

Depends on what you need. But most of time you want it in sword mode, so use it when you're stacking shield mode

[hot orbit]

Ok so... i ve to have it in crit buff, when i die ore have 50 stack it will swap in armor mode, then i ve tu Use it to turn in crit mode again. Right ?

[mortal cypress]

Agree, but it's best tank for me as I like low apm due to

https://tenor.com/view/broken-finger-broken-fingers-broken-hands-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-12264054

[ionic fern]

Yes. You want to be in the sword mode as much as possible

[mortal cypress]

Lol

[brave sapphire]

Any one else hit a wall this season? I know all the routes to time 16-18s. I pull big. Stuck at Cinder 16 for resi. Nothing other than Dailcry feels like it hits hard enough to be a challenge, but i can't get higher for a challenge. I've ran cinder 4 times now with random groups, because i don't get the key myself. It's always too little damage done to time the key, people letting the hops charge into nirvana or other stupid shit. Slowly, tanking starts to feel like i'm the bus driver for a mentally handicapped school class. Is finding a team the only option? How are you guys staying motivated? Even timing priory 16 with no deaths and like 4 minutes left (i don't count the dk suicide on the last boss) only gave me motivation for 2 days. It actually reminded me that there are good players out there, but they aren't in my keys. #rant

[patent scroll]

Slowly, tanking starts to feel like i'm the bus driver for a mentally handicapped school class.
Welcome to tanking, hope you enjoy your stay

[ionic nimbus]

16-18 is a Wall, because it’s the beginning of Route, Dmg and proper use of defensives impact

If youre route is not good, Most likely deplete. If your group is dying of misusing their defensives, deplete. Same for dmg output (which also correlates with your route in some point)

Til 16 it’s pretty easy to oneshot all keys for res. Then you have to adapt, but with a matter of time you will time 16-18 too

Be patient

One yerk can ruin a run easily

[brave sapphire]

There's just no challenge in it, is what i'm saying. Last time i tanked in SL and it actually felt hard. Now 1 lane of the buzzbee wing and i don't feel like i'm in danger. The only reason i can't pull more is because of aoe casts, which would wipe us.

Like i thought to myself tanking a cinder 16 yesterday, that this is fucking boring. There is no challenge, but i have to do this shit multiple times until i finally find a group, which isn't terribad to reach a challenge.

[slender bison]

With all respect, maybe revise your pulls, skips and route. You will be surprised to see that sometimes you can be the problem. Are you skipping barrel guys? Cleave mobs into IPA? Cleave mobs with Buzz? Get IPA mobs into 4 th boss balcony?

[brave sapphire]

Yes.

[slender bison]

Then it is what it is. It's a grind

[brave sapphire]

Only the ipa mobs into the balcony i don't do. But that's not the problem. Routes aren't the problem.

[slender bison]

Get a Phys comp to get extra edge

[ionic nimbus]

The key is to Build routes fitting to your setup (or better build groups fitting to your route)

[brave sapphire]

Build groups with which key?

I am at the mercy of the key holder.

[slender bison]

Yea, you can't pull all mobs in Top Gorechop wing with warlock/mage in a team

[ionic nimbus]

You can pull different when you got a balance druid for example or shaman as heal

And in the end it’s still up to your buddies to dont play Like Shit

[slender bison]

But Cinderbrew is indeed exhausting for tanks

Especially if you brick the key late

[ionic nimbus]

You can just prep everything and do your thing

[slender bison]

Sometimes you finish a 16 with 675 Randos sometimes you brick it with 682 3.4k players

Noticed that players not in the current bracket are unmotivated

2.95k players are the most motivated ever

[ionic nimbus]

Even premade can be frustrating. One Pal with a bad day can ruin a whole session. In that key level one full wipe mostly kills the run

[brave sapphire]

The 2,8k retri someone invited to their cinder 16 yesterday did 3,2 mill overall dps. 🥲

[slender bison]

That's just a symptom of ilvl inflation

[ionic nimbus]

Most 3,3-3,6 pugs are full of ppl that are thinking they could easily compete with wunderbar or mandatory, if they had more time kekw..

[slender bison]

Same as last season - delve players with giga gear in 7/8s were horrible

[brave sapphire]

I already said it yesterday. Every meta class i intend to invite to my own key get's a deep inspect beforehand on wcl. I have seen 3400 io dks with 5 average kicks per dungeon.

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah… a fury with 3.4 is most likely double as good as a udk with the same score

[slender bison]

Most success I had was with non meta phys comp. If I have fotm arcane mage in the group my chances of losing just doubled

Ferals always welcome in my keys. They know their class. Giga damage

Or WWs

[ionic nimbus]

Ppl mostly don’t understand meta comps. For us as pwar, picking a disc is definitely not the best choice..

[slender bison]

You have to for some skips unfortunately, but yes, we like MW

[ionic nimbus]

Meleecleave with one MM hunter is pure fun

[ionic nimbus]

A lot of skips can be done with Monk or night elf.. or just use invis (dps potions are not worth to drop shaman or monk heal)

[brave sapphire]

Speaking of skips. Does anyone have a macro to cancelaura all healing spells? Am a nelf since a few days and i'm still manually clicking them off.

[slender bison]

Crying in nightborne warr

[sweet summit]

ra den jumpscare

[sweet summit]

http://www.healercds.com/quick-cancel-aura-macro-for-tanks-to-remove-all-healing-hots/
i don't understand what you need it for but this was used in BFA so you might have to add some of the newer stuff but i hope this helps at least

[brave sapphire]

Don't the hots put healer infight?

[patent scroll]

If they were applied before combat they shouldn't

[brave sapphire]

Oh, then i clicked them off for no reason xD

[warm plinth]

Why would the healer hot you if you were doing a skip anyway?

[brave sapphire]

Why indeed.

[warm plinth]

But no, they won't put the healer in combat unless they applied the hot when you were already in combat

[woeful trellis]

How can you skip the big guys in Conder wo being nelf

[brave sapphire]

Hunter can do it solo.

Trap the small guy, into turtle in the corner, disengage into feign death.

[cursive agate]

Hello guys, may I ask what's the argument for instigate? (Devastator 10% dmg and 2 rage) I'm smming it against battering ram and ram is just a little bit better in both 1 target and 5 target

Well, -0,5% 5T and +1,6% 1T

[warm plinth]

You aren't simming those two against each other though; they're in different tiers.

We already talent the maximum number of talents we can in the 20+ gate, so getting rid of one outside the 20 gate does not allow us to use another one inside it

[cursive agate]

Hmmm true, I dont like ravager so I dont have it and play mountain thane with demo shout cdr

Thats my bottom point allowing me to move that

[warm plinth]

I'm confused. You don't need to drop ravager for thunderlord either. You drop show of force when playing thane and take thunderlord instead

Trading Ravager for either of those talents would be not good

[cursive agate]

Hmm so ravager is that good? Gonna do some more simming then, if it's so good I should get used to it probably

Thanks for insight

I got one more thought in my head, battering ram won't be simming correctly since we dont get dmg at sim and dont proc resets from tier set right?

[next pasture]

instigator helps with bosses

where you can be rage starved

allegedly

[warm plinth]

We do take damage in sims afaik. It's just not a lot

[next pasture]

i take ravager because places like floodgate that require 6 packs to be pulled, i can throw ravager and not worry about threat for like half the pull

[brave sapphire]

Ravager is just a great tool to have when you have to group up several packs. It could do no damage and just do threat and it would still be valuable, because it enables your group to blast faster. First pull mechagon comes to my mind instantly.

[warm plinth]

Yep, definitely take damage in sims

[cursive agate]

Oh okay thanks, so trust sims 100%

[cursive agate]

Yee thats true.. I've been charging and leaping around like crazy

[warm plinth]

Blizz, timeless stratagem talent when

[cursive agate]

Ravager also sims best, gonna get used to it ig, seems like big QoL upgrade and dmg upgrade

Thank you guys

[warm plinth]

🙏

You can also use Ravager via macro

[next pasture]

you can also use ravager to snap a pull in theater, which is unironically huge (if you don’t have a MM hunter)

[warm plinth]

either @player or @cursor can both be helpful

[brave sapphire]

my tech mentioned [proud]

[warm plinth]

First places it at your feet, second places it where your mouse is (without having to aim the reticle and click)

[cursive agate]

Will use cursor only, with @player you lose that fast grouping potential (or what should I call it lul)

[warm plinth]

Yeah you can use a mod macro to be able to do either (e.g. if you were mid-pull already and wanted to use it, you could use the player portion)

[drowsy frigate]

Im a new prot warrior and I do have a question, with all the prot builds which one is the overall best one or rather the one you guys use for raid , I cant seem to decide

[next pasture]

execute colossus is what i use for raid

as much damage as possible

[drowsy frigate]

alrighty

[violet ginkgo]

I'm still sad that they make execute not granting colossal might stack

[round pendant]

talent that makes ravager last 2 seconds but apply a silence

do it blizzard

[slender bison]

It's past mid of the season and people still don't pick Ravager for free rage. Even as Thane this transforms into free damage. Like you're handicapping your build

[round cliff]

getting clipped and instantly dying in org is so sad

[wispy moth]

I'm switching ravager to thunderlord in order to get more demo shout, but dunno what it's better for real. Ravager is a good tool to gather big pull and free rage, but more demo shout means more DMR, more rage, more dps boost and more fluidity

[slender bison]

Don't pick Instigate

[next pasture]

the other rage node is only better at what… 8+ targets. warrior doesn’t need help in aoe, but does need help on bosses

[jagged pier]

correct

[wispy moth]

which one ?

[slender bison]

The most annoying boss where we are rage starved is the Lich in ToP

[cerulean olive]

For Mountain Thane ravager feels lackcluster due to giga excess rage, IP is capped and no way to fill out with revenges, tried show of force and felt much better. But when i run Colossus ill always pick ravager due to increased rage generation, damage and threat

[wispy moth]

so run thunderlord + ravager instead of picking instigate ?

[slender bison]

Try for yourself, even drop BsV and pick Show of Force if you're not doing FL/Priory 15s

That way you'll have all 3 of them

Disruption is mandatory, else you're trolling your mates

[cerulean olive]

Just don't run indomitable, absolutely worthless talent

[wispy moth]

I run with BSV but maybe overkill til doing 15s

[slender bison]

BsV hides lots of mistakes

[wispy moth]

Yes and I noticed them

[round cliff]

8mask org making me wanna take a trip down to the rope store

[wispy moth]

Disruption shout?

[slender bison]

Ye

[wispy moth]

Always run with it, anytime it founds it's utility

Even in key with few casters. Just cdr reduction for mass taunt is good

[slender bison]

So you have Disruption, Show of Force, ThunderLord and Ravager, but no BsV

It's fine

[wispy moth]

Oh and, I'm at 15k8 haste, perhaps I can switch to ITF?

[wispy moth]

Okok, I didn't thought about giving up on BSV

[next pasture]

can’t remember. it’s on the right side of instigate. opposite.

[wispy moth]

Okok I'll take a look, thx!

[slender bison]

I run BSV in Priory + Floodgate since I have trust issues and if I die I brick the key

[next pasture]

even in best case scenarios, BSV is only gonna proc ~3 times a key, warrior doesn’t take lethal damage from many things, and most of the time it’s bosses, and until you get to… maybe 19 or 20, bombsuit/mud can fill the gaps

i run BSV because i only pug, but if i was in comms i’d probably drop it for everything but the 2 dungeons the guy above said as well

[slender bison]

Yeah, I don't have Mud/Bombsuit, that's why too. Those trinkets fill the gap

[wispy moth]

For those I understand. But atm I run only 12 and I still proc it, so maybe I should Slow down when I'm missing some cd or do a better rotate

I run bombsuit too, so really I think I'm missing something

[next pasture]

don’t wait to shield wall once you’re below 50% health? lol

that’s usually what it is

[slender bison]

You have 16K haste, so prob gear sub-optimal. But BsV should trigger generally at BigMomma, Dailcry + Undead Braunpyke and if you get hit in the back or something

Start with Shield Block uptime 90%+ in your runs

That solves most of your problems

Then some IPs, then pre-Shield Walls

[sweet summit]

link logs?

[spiral bronze]

Hello guys, whats a good alternative to alchemical chaos?

[jagged pier]

none because more stats > than less better stats

[sweet summit]

are they too expensive?

[wispy moth]

I posted some in #1372887316758265877 but I can link more. Launch break, I'll do it in one or two hours 🙂

[sweet summit]

i'm at work so i can't really check rn but i will later if no one else has by then 🫡

[round cliff]

man fk this 8 mask ill just do it next week

[jagged pier]

but its easy?

like easier than 5 mask last week

[round cliff]

its not "hard" its annoying

oops u got headbutted into a signpost now ur stuck

gg

[jagged pier]

just stun the mob that headbuts

[round cliff]

or oops u whiffed kick on rexxar gg

[sweet summit]

fruiter more like noober

sorry that was toxic

[round cliff]

yea

[jagged pier]

again as I said to ppl at the start of the week u keep yoru cds for the bosses

[round cliff]

i do!

[jagged pier]

i dont think ive had a rexxar fight longer than 10 secs

[round cliff]

i never fight a boss without a cd

or all of em, rather

[wispy moth]

Nah, if I'm pulling with nothing I cast SW on cd and one sec before big burst damage when I can anticipate them.
Perhaps I'm lacking of versa? I've got only 2 or 3%

[sweet summit]

stat%s are one of the last things to worry about

[wispy moth]

It's achieved. Lately, the least uptime I've got was 88%. Always 90+ otherwise. Not much rage waste too

[sweet summit]

that's great, good shit

[wispy moth]

But I think I don't spend enough rage to cycling SW

I posted new logs in #1372887316758265877 if anyone want to take a look

First day running bombsuit so maybe I've got things to learn

I used it like dps cd in big pack when no defensive was really necessary x)

[spiral bronze]

coz our guild vault has a lot of tempered verse/haste/mastery lol

but with alchemical chaos i have to buy

so just asking whats a good alternative between those 3

[sweet summit]

steal some haste

or sim it

but that will prob say mastery i guess

and mastery is BORING!!!

[brave sapphire]

65 stats difference aren't that big of a deal imo. I always run versa, just to smooth out my stats.

[lime urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-brotha-eww-meme-eww-eww-gif-gif-1452572770363109714

Vers?

[brave sapphire]

I have massive amounts of haste and crit. Nearly no vers. Helps with the damage we struggle with. Bleeds and magic.

[round pendant]

Vers flask 🤢

maybe if you're a priest doing like 18s

[patent scroll]

my brother in bonk you will not feel or see the difference with the amount of vers a flask gives you

[round pendant]

also nerfs your tempered pot if you don't use alchemical chaos

[brave sapphire]

I don't use tempered outside of prepotting. Healthpots and beltenchant are too important to me :3

[patent scroll]

They don't affect your health pots

Unless you use cavedwellers

in which case why

[brave sapphire]

tempered shares cd with healthpot doesn't it? xD

[patent scroll]

nope

[brave sapphire]

w t f xD

Guess i'm chugging tempered then. I always thought they do. Just assumed lol

[patent scroll]

you basically have two different classes of potions that are on their own CD, health pots and the rest

the rest contains basically everything from mana pots to tempered to speed pots

pretty sure it does share a CD with nitro boots but eh

[round pendant]

belt enchant is shared with battle pot tho

[patent scroll]

ye

[round pendant]

but man that's another crappy yoda advice imo

as if pwar doesn't have good enough mobility

[brave sapphire]

nah, i love it. Warrior is just too slow. No matter if i do a big pull or run from buzzbee to ipa. Saves seconds.

[stable elk]

invis belt does not put potions on cd

[round pendant]

yeah I meant the movespeed one

[ionic nimbus]

Worst thing in TWW is this cavesblablabla Shit healthpotion

[round pendant]

I didn't even know there was an invis one

[sweet summit]

personal space amplifier supremacy

[ionic nimbus]

When some greedy dps are using them instead of dpa potion

[round pendant]

I wanna know who's spreading this propaganda that pwar is a wheelchair spec

or warrior in general

[ionic nimbus]

If pwar is Slow, what’s the definition for BDK? Continental shift?

[brave sapphire]

I love how i just assumed tempered was giving vers only. First time i read the flask after playing for a month. Ok chugging alchemical chaos + tempered now. Holy shit. xD

[sweet summit]

one of us

[brave sapphire]

We are a wheelchair spec when there are no mobs around.

[solid sun]

But there are mobs everywhere. As far as the eye can see

[brave sapphire]

Mechagon tunnel. Cinderbrew wing change. Top wing change.

Just of the top of my head.

[solid sun]

What’s the mechagon tunnel?

[brave sapphire]

the start.

[solid sun]

Leap reaches from one end to the other

[brave sapphire]

you don't use leap during big pull? lol

[solid sun]

No

[round pendant]

why would you

you got 3 charges and ravager

[brave sapphire]

i have 2 in my mecha build.

No need for extra charges in mecha.

[round pendant]

[solid sun]

Huh

Multiple charges for the first room. Multiple charges for the gunk tunnel. Multiple charges for dogs. Multiple charges for the spread out dudes after the second boss if you want. Multiple charges for the spider bots after gardener

[round pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-sam-winchester-dean-winchester-hug-let-it-go-gif-14240013

[solid sun]

We gotta free our shield brother from the clutches of his Yoda fandom

Idk why I’m giving Yoda flack tbh idk where our hero is getting their advice

[round pendant]

It sounds yodapilled

[wispy moth]

3 charges ? You mean 2 stacks from chagre + SC ? But you dont use SC when all pack for more dps ?

[round pendant]

nope, sc asap to get it on cd to make use of the CDR from tier set

[wispy moth]

Never understood why he removed double charge and heroic leap reducing cd :/

[jagged pier]

u dont ever use sheild charge for charging

thats literally what charge is for

u loose rage gen using it first

[wispy moth]

I always charge into SC

Cuz charge cant be cast in melee, sc does

[round pendant]

yeah you wanna use your charges first ofc

[jagged pier]

u only consider using it for charge when u have no charges left and if u havee tier set proc

[solid sun]

I use double charges for all that I listed and SC in melee but maybe on a very rare occasion if I don’t have either charge

[wispy moth]

But for the first pull in mechagon, I always charge first pack, ravager left pack, heroic throw + charge right pack, heroic leap in backward pack and SC on the left pack and wait for everything gathering on me

[brave sapphire]

Leap first pack -> charge second pack -> ravager fourth -> charge third
Leap Nelf -> run into first 2 gunks with belt on -> charge machine -> charge gunk -> taunt furthest gunk - stack
No idea why anyone would need a charge for the dogs. laughable
Heroic leap -> aoe kick -> not spread out anymore?
Charge -> Shield slam -> heroic leap on the second

[jagged pier]

u use SC asap after pressing cds and then on cd in melee

[brave sapphire]

Mecha doesn't need a second charge period.

[jagged pier]

u get nothing of benefit for dropping it tho

so whats the point

playing without double time is hugely cringe

[brave sapphire]

More cds, a spear, etc.

I get a talent point which does something, and i am not missing the charge at all.

Spear on first pull is cool for example. If you want to keep the mobs stacked.

[jagged pier]

but it literally shares a tier with nothing that useful

[brave sapphire]

crackling thunder is more useful than charge in mecha

Anything is.

[jagged pier]

its literally a different tier to CT

[brave sapphire]

you can spend points on ct to reach next

[jagged pier]

this gets you to last tier with both

[brave sapphire]

drop charge for honed reflexes

gained something for nothing

[wispy moth]

You dont play with rallying cry?

[jagged pier]

5% of very low cds is nothing

[sweet summit]

isn't intim lowley useless in mechagon?

[sweet summit]

rally is so fake holy hell i hate it

[jagged pier]

nah its only arse in ToP

[brave sapphire]

1 extra charge is literally nothing if you can do it without

might as well take something else

[round pendant]

If you're gonna pull at least 2 more packs that you'll charge for isn't it better to send it first since cdr from tier set? 🤔

I swear nome said something about that

or maybe it was nim

or I'm delusional

[wispy moth]

Ah ok xD
I used it when i know there is big wide damage, I see thats help ppl staying alive

many ppl died with def cd up, get me upset i agree

[round pendant]

charge is rage tho

[sweet summit]

if they live on like 5% rally was worth otherwise it did literally nothing!!!!

[jagged pier]

its 15 more rage every 15 seconds kinda big compared to 1 second off SR

[round pendant]

There's plenty of places in mechagon to use double charge

[jagged pier]

[brave sapphire]

Rally is worth for the bots after gardener. To help group get into position without dying. So they can drop AMZ, etc.

[wispy moth]

Perhaps i'll thought about taking off RC then

[sweet summit]

I thought most mobs were mechanical but i probably remember wrong

[brave sapphire]

None needs 2 charges though and playing with 1 doesn't make it awkward.

[jagged pier]

they are but its good for the gunks if u pull lots at a time

[sweet summit]

I see i see

[brave sapphire]

You leap into first gunk for skip. Take the first 2 gunks running because you have to spent your gcds anyways. Charge machine. Charge gunk and taunt the furthest.

No need for 2 charges.

[slender bison]

Another reason warriors compete with VDH is because we have 2 charges and Heroic Leap movement speed. Otherwise it's wheelchair time

[jagged pier]

im talking about intim shout there

dude

i wasnt replying to u i was talking erga

[brave sapphire]

ah

[round pendant]

Jakey reply to me

[slender bison]

Intimidate Shout is just bad. It re-syncs the mobs.

It's fear breaks in 0.1 sec with 680 item levels

[round pendant]

It was so good in df

[brave sapphire]

I doubt you are running out of the mobs to charge into them all the time.

[sweet summit]

yeah that's kinda the point

it's just a stop

TARGET CAPPED BTW!!!!!!!!!

[round pendant]

starting to think erga hates target caps

[jagged pier]

if u dont know how to charge weave u are play the spec to the fullest

[slender bison]

You literally troll your team if you use Intimidating shout in rookery Thundering casters. You re-sync them and someone dies

Stop it

[jagged pier]

they are synced anyway

and even a silence syncs them

also depends how long each breaks out of the fear

[sweet summit]

one scenario where it's not perfect doesn't make it bad i think but i see your point

[brave sapphire]

😄 Please just show me one replay of yourself where you are using both charges constantly in mecha during fights to gain the 15 rages. This is laughable bro.

[slender bison]

Instant

[jagged pier]

I charge one pack, i charge the next

literally kinda simple

[brave sapphire]

You said 15 rage every 15 seconds.

(it's 20 btw)

[jagged pier]

u insta send your 1 charge

u have 2

[round pendant]

it used to be 15 rage

jakey's old

forgive him

[jagged pier]

u need to wait but the time 30 seconds is over

u charge the the 3rd pack

or 4th depending how u pull

[round pendant]

or was it 15 for arms?

[jagged pier]

or u charge to a mob thats leaped out cause dps are bad and stand miles away

[round pendant]

I know 15 was a thing at some point

[slender bison]

Guys stop arguing. Redirect the flame towards the VDH channel who be stealing your keys

Two charges or unsub

[wispy moth]

Thought it was an aoe fear (I remembered in past expansion it was) and that's why we can play it to do something like vdh but nop. This cd for only 1 target

[sweet summit]

i've chosen the latter 🧺

[brave sapphire]

Whenever someone invites a vdh over me in a resi key. I whisper them "whisper me when vdh folds firstpull". Works suprisingly often.

[slender bison]

You gonna miss on the Dragon Pirate mount

[sweet summit]

intim shout is aoe (6targets)(main target +5 closest)

[sweet summit]

oh no

anyway

[wispy moth]

Ah?
OK mb, I thought it was 1 because it needs 1target to be cast

[slender bison]

Ok grampa let's get you to bed

Brown grampa

[round pendant]

Anyway I like SC first with this tier set on bigger pulls

[brave sapphire]

Lot's of vdh playing, doesn't mean that every vdh player is good. It just means the class is op.

[round pendant]

vdh isn't op

[brave sapphire]

😄

[slender bison]

That literally says the spec distribution to key level

[wispy moth]

Class, not soec

Spec

Need to see tanks spreadsheet

[brave sapphire]

Lot's of vdh playing, doesn't mean that every vdh player is good. It just means the class is op.

Doesn't change my statement.

vdh is fotm for a reason.

Doesn't mean that fotm rerollers are all good players.

In the last week alone i got into 2 cinderbrews thanks to the vdh folding.

[sweet summit]

how do you prove a spec is OP without pointing to player number

[slender bison]

VDH is actually not OP. Just meld + Chaos Brand + Chains for Boom and slightly better mobility and pull mechanics

We got the dmg

[round pendant]

by looking at their tools

[slender bison]

But can't pull ToP other platform for funnel

[sweet summit]

✅

[brave sapphire]

☝️

[round pendant]

and vdh isn't op at all

[sweet summit]

vdh tools have been the same for a while yet they were not meta s1

why

because paladin did more damage

correct

good job erga

thank you

[slender bison]

Yes. Damage+ BR

[round pendant]

synergy

vdh simply pairs better with the other good classes rn

[slender bison]

Now Prot pals are BDKs with more chance of dying

[round pendant]

warrior is giga good this season but people still downplay it and overhype vdh lmao

[sweet summit]

yeah that's a fair point actually, 5% magic damage is the main attractor?

[jagged pier]

aoe stops as well

of which they have 3

well 4

cause of how caster mobs are

[slender bison]

Meta is driven by dungeon lineup not by specs state

You can't do most big pulls without boom past 14

You can't extra pull stuff without DH in ToP

Disc is king due to busted Oracle though + Soothe skips

[solid sun]

You can use ravager if you’re talking about the floating platforms

Someone in here was showing people

[round pendant]

boomie is huge

mage is giga

[brave sapphire]

#protection message

[brave sapphire]

Someone 😭

[solid sun]

Tbh I wish it wasn’t you

[brave sapphire]

hahaha

[solid sun]

You have angered me before my coffee

:(

[brave sapphire]

1 charge in mechagon gang. sry 🙂

[solid sun]

“My spec is in a wheelchair”

Well your talent build is scuffed and could fix it

“No”

[round pendant]

it shows spec btw

they're different shades

here's tanks tho

[wispy moth]

Thx, wasnt clear on my phone

[slender bison]

You know the warr left talents are bad when we're dropping 1 Charge for 5% more Shield Walls or 0.1 sec Fears

[round pendant]

talents are bad when you drop the good talents for bad ones

yep

[wispy moth]

And VDH isnt OP, broken or whatever but they've got many tools that helps a lot : mobility, range control, grab etc. But most is the brand that give 5% mdmg for meta spec like mage, boomkin etc. Even udh and ret pal benefits from mdmg

Put a war in optimal phys comp, it's a real good competitor

[slender bison]

Must be a bad day not to be a tank in EU

[sweet summit]

I could be moving the goalpost here but i'd argue most don't use it properly so this argument seems fake to me

[ionic nimbus]

It’s 3%, but vDH together with Balance has insanely good groupcc

[sweet summit]

is it 3% now?? or has it always been that

[ionic nimbus]

Since TWW I guess

[sweet summit]

ggykw

[round pendant]

yeah got nerfed

[woeful trellis]

Warrior T, shaman H, rogue , feral, ww. Is insane cc aswell

[round pendant]

uhmmmm refer to the above chart and you will see vdh is op and broken

warrior is NOT viable

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah but vdh together with balance are as good as whole groups against caster packs

[round pendant]

I mean packs like that triple caster pack in rookery just shouldn't exist

[ionic nimbus]

Pwar is fine, we r very good , but not as good as vDH

[round pendant]

but yeah obv there's advantages to the meta comp

but vdh isn't op like people like to claim

[woeful trellis]

Just Tank them at the Edge and los

[round pendant]

a workaround doesn't make it good design

the whole ccs not kicking anymore thing was a mistake

that's just my opinion tho

[woeful trellis]

Ok 😅 so brian is not allowed

[round pendant]

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying

[slender bison]

Imagine we get Neltharion's Lair again and the pelter mobs throw 4 mil damage rocks 24/7 on your "meta" comp class lmao. It's all about dungeon lineup.

And since next season is probably void/caster heavy we'll get the same 2-3rd place

[round pendant]

pelters

[slender bison]

Dungeon defines the meta, not the class synergies

[wispy moth]

Holy molly, though it was still 5, thx

[slender bison]

Until warr gets BL, we are relient on hunter or shaman

[wispy moth]

The only prob in this comp : no range. I think you can swap feral or rogue with mm hunter

[round pendant]

synergies are definitely relevant

at least for the tippy top keys

[wispy moth]

For most key since DF I think you can play anything you want want. Until you want to really hit 20s and above

Back in legion and bfa, there was dungeon without specific class, we wern't allowed to go through

[round pendant]

The whole point tho is that these specs aren't popular because they're broken

they work well together and are good fits for the types of packs we gotta deal with this season

vdh was kinda busted in df tho

[ionic nimbus]

Skullbanner! BL won’t change that much. There are so many options for BL, this won’t bring us a big advantage

[ionic nimbus]

MM Hunter for phys comp is goated. Brings BL aswell and another knockup

[ionic nimbus]

Even above 20 your comp was totally free. Until maybe 26

[slender bison]

Remember that one of Blizz mistakes was to add CR to Prot Paladin in DF. THat's the only reason you take prot paladin today. We deserve BL, it will change a lot.

[wispy moth]

Big CC aoe, nice damage both in ST and aoe, nice mobility etc. Very good class imo

[slender bison]

You are no longer depent on "+16 BL only" groups, you are competitive with other tanks since you can now swap to a more exotic lineup for your needs.

• you are in control of the BL

[sweet summit]

MM dies to air no?

[ionic nimbus]

Ppal brings so much more than CR. this specc is the master of utility

[round pendant]

mm tanky af

[slender bison]

Just get retri

Prot paladin today has yo-yo bar issues like DK

But they actually die

[ionic nimbus]

Sac is only half as good, no spellbob, no value of word of glory and only normal interrupt.

Until 18 Ppal is goated, then it’s falls of. So it’s a 0.1% thing

Same as BDK, very stable until u get smacked insta

[sweet summit]

fr??

[slender bison]

Nice day to be brown I guess

[round pendant]

idk I play with one and he hardly dies as long as he's not disengaging off of cliffs/into fire/etc

I asked him and he said they're pretty tanky

[ionic nimbus]

Overall we can’t complain about pwar. We r just not meta. But same as BM, we are really good

[solid sun]

Idk how you can say you bring Ppal only for battle rez but then as an answer to the other things Ppal brings you say being ret paladin instead as if ret paladin doesn’t also have a battle Rez

[slender bison]

We'll, I'm the tank. Talking about keyowner POV

[solid sun]

Then why bring up prot paladin at all?

And how is that relevant anyways

[slender bison]

Because comparing to tanks he should not have a BR. Blood lust and BRs should be DPS/Heal things. Else you break competitivity between tanks. Other than numbers in the current patch

[solid sun]

Guardian has had a BR longer than paladin hasn’t it?

And bdk as well?

[slender bison]

Another mistake, yes

You will always lose in the same bracket to a tank with CR

[stoic pilot]

It's weird to me that druid brez puts you at 100% hp, and the other brezzes just don't (to my knowledge)

[slender bison]

CR fixes mistakes

[ionic nimbus]

I think to bring CR and Lust to tanks is a big advantage for setup builds

[slender bison]

My point exactly. Either all or none

[brave sapphire]

Some dungeons it's bm. Azerokk on high keys with that lineup the hunter is moving 24/7 anyways. Might as well play a spec where his pets do most of the work. But i'm not a hunter expert.

[ionic nimbus]

Would be happy to get it as warrior. But I think it wouldn’t be this big change that a lot of people are expecting

[solid sun]

How do you auto lose to a tank with a BR when pwar is currently better than all the BR having tanks

[round pendant]

you'd lose if druid and paladin weren't good in dps slots

[ionic nimbus]

CR lost value due to cr items

[solid sun]

So never

[round pendant]

give warrior lust

[slender bison]

800g jumpe cables, but ye

[sweet summit]

STOP!!!!!!!

[ionic nimbus]

Would prefer a grip over lust as tank

[sweet summit]

ACTUAL GOOD TAKE HOLY MOLY

[ionic nimbus]

First time that CR items are so expensive, like drums

[slender bison]

A chain like Meat Hook trinket but with pull

[wispy moth]

Still hunters, I really like playing with some

[ionic nimbus]

Yep

[solid sun]

To be clear, I’m not against us having a lust. I just think this argumentation is wack

[slender bison]

And they make Intimidating Shout PvP skill and we get a chain

Ok patch it up guys

[wispy moth]

Never understood why shaman was the class with lust when, in the concept, it's like a big berserking rage ?
But war must use it for themselves

[ionic nimbus]

Skullbanner would be nice for synergy with lust or/and pi

[wispy moth]

I know thats what a point to seperate ally and horde advantages back in vanilla

[slender bison]

Warcraft lore, shamans drink Fel blood

And gave to rest of orcs

[wispy moth]

All orcs no ?

Okok

Forgot that part, mb

Lore accurate then

[round pendant]

orc racial should be lust

[wispy moth]

About grab, I mean, war must be able to throw a big hook and grab it or like survival, jump on target

But you'll remove dk's utility by adding this

[ionic nimbus]

Lf orc heal, 3 dwarf dps and a nightelf tank

[round pendant]

[slender bison]

"Zug Pumpers. Already got Orc. Bring xp"

[wispy moth]

Never look about the NE skip, why only tank is needed ?
You pull and use NE racial to get out of combat and reset aggro?

[slender bison]

• cancel damage, yes

Meld is broken

[ionic nimbus]

For WS you need atleast immunity

[wispy moth]

Well, kinda expansive 20€ for a skip in a dung x)

And dont think I really need it

[ionic nimbus]

If Blizzard would pay a powerup like augment runes exclusively at shop, ppl would buy it. Shitstorm inc, but they would buy it

[wispy moth]

Yup

https://tenor.com/bpLsB.gif

[ionic nimbus]

Top20 Tanks would do it and weeklynoleavers would complain about it, that they have to do the skip to be viable

[slender bison]

Remember when everyone made Tauren tanks for stamina? Me neither

[round pendant]

I really hope blizzard delete shadowmeld one day

[slender bison]

Then you would only have nelves for slutmogs

[round pendant]

stoneform is also a bit offensive but they can balance around it

but meld just allows way too much cheese

[cerulean tusk]

But why, without meld, only diff would be you as the tank dying

[round pendant]

ig

at least everyone can do it then without paying for a race change

and -15s payment for skips

[slender bison]

And around 3 min extra of dungeon skips

Like actually timing them

The fact that you can skip last 2 Machines in ML or last 2 Electro Thugs in FL with a button is ridiculous

[cerulean tusk]

Hm? Meld skips are often replaced by other routes and cheese.

All from mages and hunters doing the pulls. To using void elf to skip through walls.

Meld isn't the only way. Not to mention lock gate and pet skips

[slender bison]

Yes, bubbles mage skip, but a spec is ok, a racial is not

Comparing to other racials

[woeful trellis]

The only problem is, ppl see nelf skips and forget to have brian with in the grp, to think about what they could use

[cerulean tusk]

This

[slender bison]

Again. Racial Vs class/spec. If you give something easy as Meld, people will use that. Not other hunter feign bullshit

"Study harder and you'll be as good as the Meld guy"

Balancing is whack

[cerulean tusk]

And dwarf allows you to remove bleeds, a class thing. Remove that.

Void elf lets you in essence lock gate. So remove that.

Gnome is rootbreak, class skill. Remove that.

So on it goes

[frosty mango]

How to fix racials
A guide by Roidburg

1. Remove all racials
2. Make new “background talent” at character creation time
3. Let people choose their racial, now called a background talent

Problem solved forever

[cerulean tusk]

That is so minmaxy and boring, ya just killed the game for the 99%

[slender bison]

Enter your character name: Meldy / Meldyx / Illdydannmeldx

[jagged pier]

u dont need to remove raicals u just need to make them not have an impact in competetive content

[slender bison]

Shadowmeldgodx

[jagged pier]

make them visuals or help with profs or somthing

[frosty mango]

Blizzard has proven too dumb for that

They can’t fuck my option up

It’s foolproof

[slender bison]

I don't think they can remove racials/change them as fear of players paying for Nelfs will go up

[jagged pier]

they have the illusions for that tho

[frosty mango]

Letting players cosmetically make a choice without impact of performance is a design win imo

[jagged pier]

[frosty mango]

Racials are dumb and outdated

[cerulean tusk]

I think you are too up in the 0.1% thinking

[jagged pier]

yes

[frosty mango]

I’m in the exact opposite

[slender bison]

Nelf racial was OP for nelf rogues 20 years ago, but they were too afraid to remove/change it to "Outdoor only" when M+ entered in WoD/Legion

It's here to stay

[frosty mango]

I’m saying they should design the game so race choice is cosmetic

So the minmaxing doesn’t occur

[slender bison]

It's Actually more like 10% of players with 3k rating this season

[frosty mango]

I play an orc warrior so I’m def not a minmaxer lol

[cerulean tusk]

That makes the game more boring for the 99% tho. Who find the flavour of fantasy races having quirks as interesting

[mild river]

Blizz won't change that. I bet they gain a TON of money with race changings during seasons.

[frosty mango]

I mean choosing a character background perk is the same as a racial perk it’s just personal fantasy instead of (unbalanced) race fantasy

[cerulean tusk]

You don't need to even consider DPS, no way you care about racials for 3k

[daring narwhal]

what about change race/faction $$ if you remove racials ? think about poor blizzard

[jagged pier]

thing is casuals arent playing races for the quirks they just play what they like looking at and not use the racial at all

[jagged pier]

they would get more money if thye reduced the price

because more ppl would do it

FF its a 3rd or a quarter of the price

than wow

and ppl do it all the time

[frosty mango]

I dunno, imo any design choice that promotes minmax play at any level should instead be player agency

And/or cosmetic

[cerulean tusk]

Weird, my casual friends and stuff love talking about bouncy, how elf can teleport or the troll buffs (?)

[frosty mango]

I also think mythic should only award transmog and titles so maybe I’m a minority

[frosty mango]

Can’t compare your standard degen ff player to wow tho lol

[slender bison]

Bring back M+ gear drops after M17

[frosty mango]

Once housing goes in moonguard is gonna be carrying race changes lol

[jagged pier]

i mean thats coming from my friends that all swapped to FF in SLS

they were race changing in FF all the time cause cheap

auto service should be cheap

[frosty mango]

I’ve played ff since its original 1.0 beta, just saying there’s a lot more going on there driving them besides price lol

[jagged pier]

would be the same for wow players

i dont think why your insinuation wow players arent just as degen as FF players

they as bad as each other

[frosty mango]

Oh no they are

[slender bison]

Lmao

[frosty mango]

Wow just doesn’t offer them the space to be true degenerates yet

You just wait for housing

[jagged pier]

housing coming

we will

[frosty mango]

Vulpera sex dungeons are coming

[slender bison]

Xmogs are still too restrictive

[jagged pier]

there will be casinos and strip clubs and all sorts with housing

[frosty mango]

This man plays ff

[jagged pier]

I dont i got too prey, got told it was a 40 min story dungeon and dipped

but i know what goes on there

[cerulean tusk]

Argues about changing the game for the o.o1% niche of a 10% of players. "Not degenerate"

[frosty mango]

I still think racials should be free to pick or removed

[cerulean tusk]

I still think that is not needed, nor a good idea

[slender bison]

Racials are RPG D&D artefacts

[daring narwhal]

afaik the excuse for rerace being so expensive in wow is because they don't want ppl to do it all the time by design (same as level boost) which is imo a bit stupid and outdated

[jagged pier]

racials are an rpg thing, but they shouldnt effect competeive game play imo, u can get enough flavour from faster mining etc

[patent scroll]

They should either be made equal, or just give everyone something they're good at

[cerulean tusk]

Ya guys just want everyone to become template default. I disagree that is fun

[slender bison]

Considering they removed /spit from the game, I dont think housing will allow degeneracy and slutmogs, gnome sex-clubs and whatnot. Policy

It will be like Garrisons and more flexible with neighbors

[jagged pier]

u cant police anything like that

u can police /spit

[slender bison]

Sure, restrict object building/engine and xmogs

[jagged pier]

and trust me they are already aware of what housing will bring because they've been told

[cerulean tusk]

My /e Funky spits on you
Say to differ

[slender bison]

But because housing will probably be sharded, you'll have some neighbors and sometimes its boring. Interesting how they will fix sharding

Hope it's not a LFG

To enter a "instanced" Durotar/Elwyinn Forest area

That would be cringe

[wispy moth]

Racials are almost meaningless since wod or legion (except goblin jump for ally priest on KJ MM x) )
The idea to make them as "background talent" or just visual effect and just some QoL (like buff profession etc) is imo a great idea

WoW isnt really a rpg since many years

[cerulean tusk]

I just hope you can opt in for random, so you don't get stuck with the same 9 afk players years after they gone

[wispy moth]

Just a 3rd personn hack'n'slash

[solid sun]

I can tolerate not being picked up in the group finder because I’m not a vdh. I draw the line at being invited and then they see I’m not a nelf and kick me

[cerulean tusk]

I will take things that affect the 0.1% for 1 ooo ooo

[slender bison]

they see I’m not a nelf

So you're not hot

[solid sun]

No I’m suave

[slender bison]

Damn. Apologies

[wispy moth]

That's a real problem...
But here, the guilt is to comminuty. Maybe blizzard for doing nothing about it

[patent scroll]

Nelf is currently like a less offensive version of Legion Belfs, but should still be nerfed

[cerulean tusk]

Then ya Nerf next in line

So on and on

[slender bison]

You can't nerf those thighs

[solid sun]

I’m def not the .1%

[cerulean tusk]

Then it doesn't matter

[patent scroll]

It enables too much in higher content which then becomes gospel for everyone below that point, just like how every shitty data aggregator have become the mainstream way of obtaining builds and gearing choices because they don't understand what they're seeing and why

[solid sun]

It matters when I get kicked for not race changing lol

[wispy moth]

Remember back in cata when NE can go out of combat, cast mass rez in raid encounter xD

[wispy moth]

this

[cerulean tusk]

Doubt that they kicked you for not being an elf

Maybe ya got the screenshot of them going: ewwww an orc, nelfs only!

[wispy moth]

Dont under estimate humanity stupidity x)

[dusky canopy]

You generally don’t want to play with pugs who think you need to be a night elf to time keys

[solid sun]

The group leader literally told me I was trolling for not being a nelf as a tank.

[cerulean tusk]

You dodged a bullet if so

[frosty mango]

Racials are very impactful at high levels of play and meaningless at lower levels of play but the meta high end drives thinking

[solid sun]

It’s only happened once so I’m not tripping but the fact it’s even on the menu is cringe

[dusky canopy]

Some people lack intelligence you gotta just accept it and move on

[cerulean tusk]

Brew, ppl in here think you need nelf skips for 3k

...

[slender bison]

It's kinda 16s man. It's not 0.01% MDI of players anymore. Else you need to sit a whole afternoon to pick top DPS

[frosty mango]

Which is why I think it’s a dumb system because everyone says “oh you can’t m+ seriously if you aren’t a dwarf/nelf” except their definition of seriously is like 13s where that choice is completely irrelevant

[stable elk]

Nelf helps alot at top end

[round cliff]

orc tank best tank

[stable elk]

you dont need anything for 3k except 2-3 dps, healer, 1-2 tanks

[wispy moth]

I agree, but when ppl based their opinion on how picking races/class in 12-16, there is a problem. Because at this lvl, racials are meaningless

[frosty mango]

But that’s how people are

[wispy moth]

Watch me with my ogie tauren

[stable elk]

imo nelf racial should become available as consumable, which shares CD with nelf racial. same goes for dwarf racials

[frosty mango]

And I guess that’s technically not a blizz problem but at this point in the games life I think they should be aware of and/or design systems that don’t cater to that type of mindset

[slender bison]

Remember summer of 2006 when you were a lonely Tauren tank (Stamina buff racial btw) and everybody was inviting you to Wailing Caverns? Where is this now?

[round cliff]

tauren tanks also very valid

i respect them

[solid sun]

War stomp should be a knock up

[cerulean tusk]

Warstomp op, free AoE stop 😡

[slender bison]

Orc racial should set things on fire

*felfire

[wispy moth]

Thank you

[dusky canopy]

You can die 20 times and time a 13

Lmao

[wispy moth]

Bring us back a true stamina buff xD

Not only 0.01% max health

[dusky canopy]

Literally death skip in place of being a nelf

[frosty mango]

My personal record is 34

[dusky canopy]

And you can time keys

[cerulean tusk]

We died 20 times and timed a 15

[wispy moth]

Jokes aside, it's an aoe capped 5 target with a cast xD Not really op x)

[round cliff]

id play a tauren if i didn't like the big chunky plate boots too much

[slender bison]

This discussion was started by "Warrs when Bloodlust" by the way

[round cliff]

😔

[wispy moth]

That's why i love speaking in public xD

[cerulean tusk]

5t cap meta comp!

[wispy moth]

I remove all boots mog on tauren

[frosty mango]

We’re back in the main timeline again at least where we’re all shitposting about things that don’t matter

[dusky canopy]

Can’t wait until blizzard forces 5 mobs at a time

[frosty mango]

It got serious there for a few days

[dusky canopy]

So we can be relevant

[solid sun]

I don’t think anyone here has been suggesting you need to be specific races to time 13s

[sweet summit]

i think most players should be human idk what other races can operate a computer

[cerulean tusk]

No, they said the whole meta trickles down arguments

[frosty mango]

I have. If you aren’t dwarf or nelf 680+ and 3500 min io I’m not inviting you to my 13 you casual

[slender bison]

"Looks like youre parses went under the montly treshhold. This will imply an extra $3.99 to your next subscription."

[cerulean tusk]

So ya don't get in to time them without doing it

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

[wispy moth]

triggered

[dusky canopy]

Human is so valuable

Ope I fucked up good thing I can remove that stun that lasts 8 seconds

[wispy moth]

What I learned from this discussion : humanity is the problem, unable to think by themselves and want to be metasalve without understanding on the reason why

[frosty mango]

Being exalted with your guild gets you better loot pref

[wispy moth]

Wed must purge them.

[dusky canopy]

[wispy moth]

Wait, quite radical

[wispy moth]

Not the best timing replying this after my message xDD

[wispy moth]

And get your purple bird for a whole life spare

[cerulean tusk]

What if blizz allowed the raid leader to give loot roll levels based on guild roles wow saved

[wispy moth]

Remember when we give loot based on kp ?

[slender bison]

That sounds like ... feudalism loot?

[wispy moth]

Think about blizz integrated system like this, like they did with ilvl

[cerulean tusk]

I solved ppl not being in guilds, send thanks. And if you go hungry, why not eat cake?

[slender bison]

We have a pirate dragon captain mount next patch, so the bloodlust for warrs will have to wait

It's the revamp from Tazavesh, but at least the dungeon was cool

[cerulean tusk]

Imagine if pwarrior had lust! We would increase our pick rate by... Pffffffffffftzzzzzzzzzzzzzzfptshhhhhhhhhhjjhhhhhhh... Say, maybe 1 in a billion?

[jagged pier]

i mean u have to do timewalking for 5 weeks to get it

[cerulean tusk]

Ain't nobody got time for that

[slender bison]

Something's not quite right

(I know 2nd boss)

Was paranoic about new meta in town

[cerulean tusk]

BDK is strong, wdum? 3m overall, can solo tank the boss mechanics.

Rook is a great place for BDK

[solid sun]

Bdk fkn blows I won’t be taking questions at this time

[cerulean tusk]

Makes sense you got that stance, mr "I got kicked for being an orc, waaah waaaaah"

[solid sun]

I’m a human actually

Goat stun removal

Sprocket drill assassins enraged rn

[slender bison]

Due to the new European Union directive it's illegal to discriminate LFG Big Pumper Dungeon groups based on race

[cerulean tusk]

Too bad they can't get me

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dancing-kitten-60fps-boogie-cat-gif-24303276

[sweet summit]

if they can't, i will

[cerulean tusk]

[slender bison]

Damn, can you fix my printer? A nelf can't do that

[cerulean tusk]

Nelf don't need printer, nelf got a guy that does it for em on demand and for free

[solid sun]

All their printers and all their guys got burned with the stupid tree

Sucks to suck

[cerulean tusk]

Too soon

🌲 🔥 😭 🪦

[patent scroll]

What was the point of that plot anyway

Did Nelfs like get a new questline or something from it?

Isn't it even phased during the leveling of new chars and shit

[cerulean tusk]

Well, point was to genocide the nelfs to the point of extinction. So their souls could fuel ardenwield as their very god sacrificed them.

Nelfs, from Amazonians and demigods, to the punching bag of warcraft

[round pendant]

I got kicked from a +10 for being a warrior

pugs are wild

[cerulean tusk]

I would kick you too

[round pendant]

wow

[wispy moth]

Git gud. That what I would say if I'm wilds

[sharp merlin]

As a noob, and I guess this is what the Discord is for. Is there any way to tell when Rixxa auto attacks you? I got pummeled cause I was told to bring in a Mech onto the boss, and the Priest didn't put PS on me, despite me begging him to.

[frosty mango]

Directly no

[cerulean tusk]

You talking about the tank Buster goblet she shoots at the start, and after every spray?

[sharp merlin]

So she doesn't auto attack you between sprays?

[frosty mango]

Assume any time she is not casting anything like circles or frontal, she is shitting on you

[sharp merlin]

As in, between swithcing from dps to dps

[frosty mango]

Yes, she does

[sharp merlin]

Oh jesus

[frosty mango]

Whenever she is not doing the frontal or the circles, she is shooting you

[round pendant]

if you can move her she can shoot you

[sharp merlin]

oh my lord

[frosty mango]

It’s not an auto as much as a shot, it’s ranged and all fire damage

[sharp merlin]

She turned me into a roast dinner, and the priest was like.. oh shit 😂 I warned him and he thought I was being overly cautious

[frosty mango]

Use your shorter cds in between her frontal sprays (spell reflect, avatar wall) and your longer cooldowns when moving between phases (spellblock, shield wall)

What key level was this?

[sharp merlin]

It was a 14

[frosty mango]

Don’t pull the mech in a 14

[sharp merlin]

Was pinged over and over by hungry dps to

[frosty mango]

It won’t change your outcome and just invites unnecessary risk

[sharp merlin]

but next time, hell no

[cerulean tusk]

Why wouldn't you grab the mech, increases boss dam

[frosty mango]

Because it’s unnecessary to time a 14 and won’t change if you +2 or 3

And it invites a lot of risk

Especially on a warrior