protection

[pallid quiver]

you've already made the mistake of posting such a thing to my eyes.

don't worry, the afterlife shall treat you better than i did

Based

[chilly brook]

No meme, donkey Kong looks dope

[jagged pier]

far too much for a system that is like worse than a phone, no phyiscal games, $90 a game

[chilly brook]

Most of the stuff people are complaining about feel like nonissues, but the $80 Mario kart is wild

Like games should not be that much ever

[jagged pier]

I just cant jusitfy the prices and the fact that the system is always so far behind in tech for so much

I cant

expeidtion 33 just proves u can do so much and just charge less

[pallid quiver]

I can't justify it when I don't think Nintendo does anything notable enough other than having brand power behind it

[wispy moth]

Forget afterlife, Hasbro got ouijah's copryright. They own afterlife now

[pallid quiver]

That combined with JP dev hatred for things like modding and fan works

[chilly brook]

It’s pretty close to steam deck on paper in handheld, but way better in docked

[wispy moth]

90*

[chilly brook]

I just want something that has a seamless dock experience

[pallid quiver]

I am not at all willing to support Nintendo like I used to

[wispy moth]

So glad being french with this game hahaha

[pallid quiver]

the games aren't actually really that revolutionary or fun

[chilly brook]

My steam deck is great but their dock sucks, hardly ever works and makes using my TV a pain in the ass

[wispy moth]

So glad taht the game touch everyone, everywhere on this planet

[jagged pier]

like nitendo showing the games lagging in the announcement for it

was just like

really?

this is the best u can do

[wispy moth]

Nintendo switch is a really good concept, just cant justify the price of the second version ...

[wispy moth]

This, and they wont upgrade in time

[echo egret]

I've received conflicting info about what a tank must do in Darkflame Cleft : regarding the cart and regarding last boss.
Anyone with a good tank guide for these ? Or easy pointers ?

[wispy moth]

They're happy to sell 1080p screen when 44 is democrating

[chilly brook]

What info?

[wispy moth]

(dont if I can spell it like this)

[chilly brook]

I mean like the only thing you need to do is pull stuff and not die

Doing extra is going to be highly dependent on key level

[echo egret]

Cart : Someone told me to grab a flame and go pull as many things as possible

[chilly brook]

At what key level?

[echo egret]

12+

[chilly brook]

Then no you don’t need to do that

[wispy moth]

In less than 18 just run normally the cart segment

[chilly brook]

But I try to do it all in one pull and just pull to the end or at the very least 2 pulls

[echo egret]

By just grabbing a candle on the floor and run forward ?

Then wait for the cart to come by ?

[chilly brook]

The first method isn’t going to work without a healer being with you or dps knowing what to do and keeping the cart fed

[jagged pier]

u run back to the cart

[chilly brook]

Take candle, grab everything run all the way to the end where there are the candles at the cart ride section

Or take candle and grab a big pull and come back to cart

Then after all that dies grab another candle and round up the rest

But again most key levels it legit doesn’t matter

[echo egret]

ok

Now on the end boss. Do I move the candle ?

[chilly brook]

Someone does

Doesn’t have to be you

[jagged pier]

anyone can

[chilly brook]

(Should be the healer tbh)

But if healer doesn’t do it I do it

[echo egret]

I thought placing it roughly in the middle of the area was sufficient for everyone to run, grab candles, and come back ?

[chilly brook]

You still gotta move it outta the beam

Beam bad

[echo egret]

that's the part where I don't see the need. there's plenty of room to stay out of the beam and inside the circle ?

[wispy moth]

Alsways told me that the can manage the candle on last boss, didnt shocked me

[chilly brook]

The beam drains the candle

[echo egret]

aaaaaaahhhh

[chilly brook]

Beam bad

[echo egret]

Proof that you can reach all 12s without knowing stuff 😉

[wispy moth]

Dont hesitate to look at guide video from any dungeon, maybe there is many thngs you never noticed ^^

[echo egret]

tbh it's that one dungeon

[slender bison]

Video vs reality - in DFC after some key levels you need to pull snakes (extra snakes if you skipped Candle King trash) into boss for funnel and tank needs to do candle mechanic to avoid DPS downtime because somebody died somewhere and you have 4:30 min to kill the boss

And tank also needs to leap - charge to get candles during boss shadow circle to avoid more dps downtime

[wispy moth]

Sure, i give this advice only to let ppl have the basics for dungeon, those mechanics are baseline. But you must adapt in each run because many things can happen

[brave sapphire]

Brother, i have ppl in my 15/16s who don't know half of the most basic things. You are already better than any of them.

[mild river]

rant: why is heroic throw a max 30 yard range when we are literally a muscle class? the axe we throw is too heavy? why not 40 yards? i sometimes have to almost hug mobs to be able to pull them ffs

[earnest cove]

Because all strength is in the legs obviously. We can jump 40 yards easily.“

[mild river]

LOL

[sharp merlin]

Mud Trinket comes from Floodgate? In the entire Season, I have not seen it drop once

[jagged pier]

just have it drop

[sharp merlin]

I had someone not do the pillar during the last boss Rookery

[jagged pier]

its 50/50 u ither get it or u dont

[sharp merlin]

ACHUALLY ITS 1 out of 4,886

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[brave sapphire]

It all depends on the key level. 8? 10? idgaf. 14 up? You should know the basics. I'm super lenient when it comes to fuck ups, but when you don't do your homework i actually hate you. Hunter faces hopgoblin charge into the pack we just skipped in a 16? Shit happens, we go agane. 3400 io dk has 5 kicks whole dungeon and those are 3 cinderblasts and kicking last boss p1 in a 15? I feel like i would rather jump off p2 than time this key.

My ignore list is growing daily.

[sharp merlin]

ahaha this was a +14 I think, and it was going swimmingly, the mage who failed the mechanic said he didn't care, hence why the add popped up

We had 8 min too, and I was trucking which was super nice, but sadly, it only takes 1 lazy person to ruin a run

[brave sapphire]

Surprisingly i am only missing cinder 16 for resi. Mage didn't care to bloodlust on buzzbee and on last boss. We still nearly timed it... So let's share our hatred.

[round pendant]

classic mage behaviour

[sharp merlin]

He was 3.3k too, which is sad

[brave sapphire]

Imagine me picking up 4 bees every wave on buzzbee, because no one cares to do mechanics, already being stressed as fuck typing "MGAE bLOODLUZST" multiple times. xD

[brave sapphire]

meta gonna meta. Every meta class i invite i check logs beforehand. Most of the them are garbonzo.

[sharp merlin]

He went from +12 to +15/16s? which was sus

Ah well, I don’t mind, but it’s more the time wasted kills me, I don’t have a huge amount of time to play and seeing 30-40min ruined cause of someone is crazy

[brave sapphire]

Pugging m+ is like surfing. Either you are in front of the wave and get pushed by the wave, or you frantically paddle with your arms hoping to catch up. I started late in the season so the struggle is real. I enjoy surfing, i don't enjoy the rng of getting uberbad people in my group.

[brave sapphire]

😄

[round pendant]

This was a +2 floodgate

Because the mage didn't lust (and screwed up a few times in the dungeon) they kicked him on the final boss (screenshot) and tried to brick the key and prevent us from killing the boss

[sharp merlin]

I noticed when I make my own key and I get to vet people, it's super smooth

joining other people's keys.. is rough, because they expect a carry

[round pendant]

my experience in joining other people's keys is that the leader is fine but the other people he invites are atrocious

[sharp merlin]

That too, it's way more risky when I join someone's key, I feel. Especially crest farming. I do laugh at the people who put +12/13 keys saying "QUICK CREST RUN" and their highest is a 10 or an 8 😂

You ain't jebaiting me

[round pendant]

idc about that

12s are easier than 10s

but if I'm running 12s for crests I just run my own key

[sharp merlin]

Exactly what I'm doing, I finally got to 670, I had to run sooo many runs, I only started a week ago, so I've had one Myth item

[round pendant]

I hope they don't do turbo boost in s3 😔

[sharp merlin]

I'm already at 3050, so I want to try and get to 3.2/3 before season ends

But the difference between 655 and 665, is huge holy hell keys are so much easier 😂

[solid sun]

In my experience 12s are definitely not easier than 10s

I can basically carry a 10 all by myself

[round pendant]

I think there's more catastrophic failures in 10s than 12s

[solid sun]

I can’t do that in 12s usually. There’s a little bit of a range with a dungeon like priory being much more difficult than a dfc but if I am going to do a 12 for crests I’m def picking something like workshop.

10s can be anything

[round pendant]

10 also has affixes that can royally fuck you over during boss mechanics

[solid sun]

10s have affixes that make you stronger

I haven’t seen an affix mess up a dungeon in like a month and a half or more

[round pendant]

lucky you

I've done 10s on my alts where people just ignore the affixes more often than not

[solid sun]

Unlucky you

lol

Idk 10s just way easier. Even on my alt bear that has almost no gear

[round pendant]

I've had more disbands and bricks this season in 10s than 12s is all

but might just be because most of my 10s are on alts where I'm not a tank

so I'm more at the whims of the puggers

[frosty mango]

I’m scared to do 10s

I do 12s or 13s, the 10 players are usually scary scary scary

[solid sun]

I do them every week

Loads of them

[stoic pilot]

A lot of people skip over 10s to farm 12s for crests so every 10 I've pugged on my alt this past week has been a hellscape

[frosty mango]

Can confirm

Source: am person skipping 10s

[solid sun]

Y’all are just terrible at picking groups or I’m a savant at it I guess

Or your standards are much too high

[frosty mango]

Ngl my standards are high

[patent scroll]

is sometimes nice coming back from a vacation and not have shit in the vault

[frosty mango]

+++10 5/8M lead
Checking parses big pumpers only

My standards can’t be that high I invited a warrior to my key last night

[solid sun]

Yeah but you also thought the bee thing was common knowledge

[frosty mango]

True

I basically play the game with a giant pair of blinders

[round pendant]

no you're just underestimating how bad the average +10 pugger is

12s are just smoother

[solid sun]

How am I underestimating how bad they are when I do 10 or more of them every week

Like it’s hard to even be estimating it when I’m in the instances with them

[stoic pilot]

Not sure, just lower quality of player in 10s vs 12s

Granted both are mostly gremlins

[solid sun]

Are y’all doing your big key routes in the 10s or something

[patent scroll]

I hold W

[solid sun]

Yeah I’m a W route gamer in 10s as well

I just never see any issues

Or well, rarely anyways

[spiral bronze]

I'm fresh on tanking, how do hold aggro when pulling 2 packs. I usually charge thunderclap on the first and just charge on the next. But sometimes others are getting aggro during the pull on 2nd pack*

Which is fine when I have the aoe taunt up but its rough when its down

[round pendant]

shield charge, thunderous roar, ravager, etc

[ocean smelt]

Or just an other thunderclap tbh it's usually back pretty fast

Use Avatar if not (or get more haste)

[slender bison]

Has anyone else noticed 16s threat issues? Like some mobs plates turn yellow deep into the pull. Something with enha shamans?

[round pendant]

Classic shaman things

[solid sun]

I had an enhance in a 13 priory pulling off me deep in the pull this weekend

Just almost seemingly at random

[round pendant]

if it's like s1, tempest just slaps

[sweet summit]

you see the little text on the tooltip for your aoe abilities that says reduced damage past 5 targets? yeah they are attacking one that is not one of the 5!!! I FUCKING LOVE BLIZZARD DESIGN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[round pendant]

haven't played sham since then

[sweet summit]

idk if that is true i made that up so i could complain

hope that's ok

[patent scroll]

Usually things just use square scaling and split the damage

[cunning goblet]

Does anyone have a skip for the two bigs before last boss in floodgate without using shadowmeld?

[round pendant]

Yeah you can die instead -15s

[sweet summit]

yeah and i don't like that!! therefore it is cringe :DD

[round pendant]

target caps suck yep

[sweet summit]

you know what else sucks?

eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @sweet summit

[sweet summit]

what the

[frosty mango]

Yes, rotate your shield slams

High burst classes will rip from you if they’re prioing a different target than you

[dusky canopy]

Hollyy abusive bot

Smh

[frosty mango]

I just w key 10s

I find one of two major things, first is no one ever kicks, second is healers just don’t seem to know the damage profile of keys

So I spend the entire key with 70 kicks and soloing packs from half because most people don’t have buttons

That’s my classic 10 experience lol

[round pendant]

tried a 10 cinderbrew on my disc

paladin tank just melted 24/7 and died

then left the key

got another 10 cinderbrew, this paladin tank didn't take any damage

[keen vine]

hot take on tank discord, but i think tanks are the worst at lower keys

[round pendant]

I just know he was blaming me 😔

[keen vine]

since they get easy invites and raise up key levels fast

[sweet summit]

i think it's somewhat even, just easier to spot a bad tank

because they die

and you wipe

[round pendant]

Yeah a lot of the tanks I played with when getting the +10 healer chieve were fuckin awful

[brave sapphire]

[small steeple]

That German?

[warm plinth]

What are we supposed to be looking at here

[mighty valley]

Perfectly aimed reckless delivery all the way down the hall

[sweet summit]

mage player wcyd

[patent scroll]

There's exactly 2 types of mages

Theres the god player that doesn't even need healing

And then theres the rest, like that

[brave sapphire]

You mean the "rallying cry"? I didn't even notice. I just thought the TTS is bad. 😄

[warm plinth]

I thought it said "if anything, kite" lol

[warm plinth]

Those hobgoblin are cooped up in there. Gotta let them get their steps in

[hardy gorge]

I got my 3 tokens …. What trinket should I get first eye or book?

[sharp gale]

A random prot war in Dornogal asked me the dinar question

I told him to take bombsuit and never step in a pug raid until next season

[hardy gorge]

Hmmmm I’ll look it up

[sharp gale]

I asked him what he has available (hc raid and myth track M+), what he wants to do (he wants to push), so I told him to buy bombsuit rn

[hardy gorge]

Ya I only got heroic track unlocked

[wispy moth]

Your game look so fluid and pretty damn

[wispy moth]

I'll do this too. Don't want to do pug raid x)

Already got everything in hm from want I slanted

Wanted

[sharp gale]

You have 2 more buy, so dw

[brave sapphire]

amd x3d processor is just crazy good for gaming. I „only“ have the 5000 series and it‘s still pumping in every game i play. Worth every penny.

[round pendant]

yeah 5800x3d is goated

[lilac widget]

i seen a couple of posts now on reddit about how people have switched to mountain thane and are findind it better

i dont know if by better they mean stronger or more fun

should i give it a whirl in keys or is it poop?

[sweet summit]

give it a try

[lilac widget]

i would use the same warr/prot talents apart from picking up crckling thunder im guessing?

[solid sun]

Wowhead has a talent build for MT

Pretty sure they use thunderlord more than Col does

[warm plinth]

Yes, you should use Thunderlord rather than Show of Force. I think spear is also technically better for Thane, but you can still run roar if you prefer it

[small steeple]

Lmao yeah

[warm plinth]

Should be noted, Thane is NOT better, despite what reddit says. It is similar defensively and far inferior in damage, especially in aoe.

Perfectly viable, but definitely not better.

[round pendant]

some streamer probably said they like it more

[warm plinth]

Probably. Or the whole funny haha speculation that Blizz would fuck up and make the fury changes apply to prot too were taken way too seriously and people just think it really happened.

[karmic stream]

how much haste should i aim from strictly from gear?

[covert helm]

Dunno if this is about m+ or raid or just in general, but in raid you really want Spear as MT yeah

m+ it's kinda whatever afaik

[warm plinth]

yes that was geared toward m+, sorry

[covert helm]

[frosty mango]

Ok I just healed an 11 priory to see if I was coping or you’re right

My sample size of one says don’t go below 12 lol

Tank pulls both knights and the miniboss first pull, skips tanner, double light spawn pulls the entire key, pulled braunpyke with 3 additional paladins packs

Somehow insane route is still short 1% and we have to run all the way back outside

We time with 1 second

checks notes
Yep back to 12s only

[solid sun]

I can’t speak on healing keys

I tank every key I do

[near salmon]

low dps maybe?

[solid sun]

I’m either trying to be the best Nimchip I can be or the best Pash I can be

[frosty mango]

Low iq more likely

It was an 11 and I’m doing over a million dps as the healer

Not a dps issue lol

[near salmon]

how do you pumped so much as healer ? lol

[frosty mango]

Be mistwalker, equip lightshard

Bout it

[fresh juniper]

Question about the embs: is there really no alternative to the threads/ lens?

[frosty mango]

Ascendance can be ok but typically threads will be better

Bursting light shard is insanely strong as a healer trinket

Because it’s balanced to be huge because you’re basically giving up a trinket slot

On monk and disc in particular you don’t have to stop dpsing to heal it so it does dumb amounts of damage

[near salmon]

wow okay

[fresh juniper]

Would it be a good idea to use a thread and the lens? Or is it recommended to always use 2 threads 2 lenses for prot warrior?

[wispy moth]

Well I think I don't set nicely cuz I've got a real good setup x)

[frosty mango]

The 7800x3d will outperform the 9000 series on wow specifically because of how the l3 cache is set up vs the 9k series

For most people playing wow imo you’d see more frames gained from a 7800x3d than a 5090

[urban bane]

Thane can do alright damage, probably more than people expect. I've seen Lowaras has been running an unconventional Thane build and competing with others on Colossus a fair bit.

The plural of anecdote isnt data, sure, but Thane probably more competitive in damage than people give it credit.

[dense cradle]

yeah but it doesnt give the dopamine of seeing a giant demolish hit on your screen

[urban bane]

💯

[dense cradle]

You’d just press execute more aggressively as thane no?

[vernal leaf]

I saw a comment mentioning someone was playing MT until they got the right gear for colossus. What is the right gear? I’ve got 32% H / 45% M / 25% C and colossus feels ok for me in terms of survivability, but my DPS isn’t where I’d like it to be.

[dense cradle]

Well colo does more damage

[frosty mango]

I don’t think thane is competitive with Colo but it is certainly competitive with other tanks

Probably still generally higher

[dense cradle]

colo you’re basically a 4th dps

[vernal leaf]

I’m aware, I was just wondering what the ideal stat breaks were for it. Next step is comparing logs but easiest steps first… so I ask here

[dense cradle]

[frosty mango]

If a warrior joined my 17/18 playing thane I wouldn’t be like “this guy is trolling”

[dense cradle]

I’ve also played with sub 20% crit

[vernal leaf]

To be clear.. I am playing colossus, not MT..

[dense cradle]

its not worth nitpicking stats

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-not-that-theres-anything-wrong-with-that-gif-10732604

[vernal leaf]

Ok, then it’s purely rotational. Thanks.

[dense cradle]

Pull around your cds more maybe

not sure what type of damage you’re looking for

[urban bane]

Don't give a lot of credence to stat nitpicking haha. It doesn't matter. There isn't a "right stats", aim for ilvl

[dense cradle]

why does the game give all my alts hero funhouse lens

but not my warrior

[frosty mango]

Purely from a stat point of view you are losing a little dps from lower crit - but crit vs mastery is really irrelevant

You could gear haste/vers and still crank

If you’re looking for more dps then look at your routing, cooldown usage, and cadence

If you post a log I’m sure we could help pinpoint some areas for improvement

[dense cradle]

being third on damage overall in priory

is big funny

i was first on braunpyke until execute

then the arms war beat me

[patent scroll]

People just want to make it way more complicated for themselves than what it needs to be, same as always with basically every spec

Or maybe they're really stupid enough to look at some random shitty data aggregator and see the stat spread and go "Okay so that's required" and then take that as gospel

[frosty mango]

I’m pretty sure either prot war hero spec could just wear any gear and easily pull 2m overall just pressing the right buttons

[patent scroll]

instead of using the one half of a braincell they have left to think for a second

[frosty mango]

Like if I wore all vers gear and had 30k vers and specced thane I’m reasonably sure I could still pull out competitive tank dps lol

[urban bane]

this was for 16 priory, so again, small sample size, but more competitive than you'd think (forgot attachment mb)

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure I’d like call 1% competitive

[urban bane]

sub 1% competitive or sub 1% representative?

[frosty mango]

If you look at all of the higher key top 50 parses or so and look at Colo vs thane

I think you’ll find Colo is 99+ of the representation

Colo mathematically does more damage, that’s backed by data

We shouldn’t use sample size of one to make determinations

[urban bane]

I'm not saying to recommend Thane to be clear. I'm saying it isn't as bad damage-wise as people make it out to be.

People act like you're going to be doing bear druid levels of damage haha

[warm plinth]

I don't think anyone makes out that thane does like, shit tier damage or anything. It's just that colossus is much better in aoe.

[frosty mango]

No one has ever said thane does bad damage

No one has ever said that here lol

People hear what they wanna hear

[urban bane]

I mean "far inferior in damage"

Is pretty misleading in that case, no?

[frosty mango]

IMO that’s pretty true

You take one skilled player with good dungeon knowledge and meta skill

You have them play thane and then Colo

All things being equal, Colo is going to do significantly more damage

[warm plinth]

It is far inferior in damage. That is a fact.

[frosty mango]

Whether or not that damage is functionally useful I think you could make an argument but if we’re just talking damage output

[warm plinth]

Making a comparison is not saying that one is shit; on the contrary, we regularly tell people both are viable.

But not telling them they're going to do less damage would be silly

[frosty mango]

Thane is 100% viable and if you (the royal you, people in general) wanna play it I say send it

[warm plinth]

Right, after all, it is much more familiar to people than Colossus, since we've had the Thane playstyle for several expansions

[frosty mango]

IMO I think you could make a case for thane at high key levels in dungeons like top

Where the rage economy of thane with execute build may be functionally more impactful than colossus

[sharp gale]

When I help ppl play prot I tell them to go thane until they know

[warm plinth]

hmm, what to craft, what to craft

[dense cradle]

i mean thane is just

[frosty mango]

Most of us are prob in belt territory

[dense cradle]

baseline prot

improved

isnt it

[frosty mango]

Kinda

You prioritize clap over revenge but outside of that yes

[dense cradle]

Yeah which i could have sworn

pre hero talents prot did that

[frosty mango]

I tell them start at Colo because learning to position properly on gather takes time

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's baseline prot but better

That's very apt

[frosty mango]

Speaking of positioning I’ve been playing bear Druid and man were getting shafted

[warm plinth]

Colossus is baseline prot with revenge and TC reversed (essentially)

obviously you have the extra button in there too but 🤷

[frosty mango]

Running through to gather just sending moonfire out of your ass while spamming thrash. What is directionality?

[solid sun]

I cannot believe I absolutely demolished rexxar just to f up the run on the easy big tentacle dude outside the shaman area. Never died to him before and just completely biffed it

[warm plinth]

Oh no

Working on 8 mask or?

[solid sun]

Yes

[warm plinth]

That's sadge as fuck

[dense cradle]

is bear actually good

[warm plinth]

Already had the hard part done

[solid sun]

I think I was in such an emotional high after rexxar I just went into like the opposite of a zone.

[warm plinth]

You were like alright, enough success, time to fuck this

[solid sun]

Loooooool

[sharp gale]

I guess we focus differently on stages of learning, and btw in my mind thane is baseline prot

[solid sun]

I think so

[frosty mango]

I don’t think a geared Druid can actually die in a key

You’ll do zero dps

[warm plinth]

Hold my beer

[frosty mango]

But you’re basically a wall

[warm plinth]

that I'm not drinking

[solid sun]

You’d really have to try I think

And even then your party would probably die first

[tulip geyser]

I thought Druid was weak to magic

[frosty mango]

You gave regen

[tulip geyser]

Or is that if you take super defensive talents

[frosty mango]

And rage of the sleeper

[warm plinth]

The only tank that could probably use help against magic is monk

[lilac widget]

is anyone here currently playing MT in keys?

[frosty mango]

No mt is terrible and does zero dps and you should never play it ever (this is sarcasm ignore me)

[warm plinth]

I'm not, though I have considered it a few times because colossus makes me use 1.5 brain cells instead of 1

[sharp gale]

I play MT when I teach ppl to play prot, but I don’t play it for performance in mind

• it is fun to change air

[frosty mango]

We just had a convo about this 10 minutes ago. TLDR thane is perfectly viable, it will do less damage than colossus but has easier gather, you’re not trolling anyone if you wanna play it

[lilac widget]

i was just wondering why people do

no we didnt...

i asked if you can play it and you said yes

[solid sun]

We the discord

Not we the you

[lilac widget]

i came back to get some opinions on why people play it after reading over the talents

ahh

[frosty mango]

Some people do play it

[lilac widget]

mb then sorry

[frosty mango]

All g

We’re warriors we’re not good at context

[lilac widget]

unecessarily defensive of me

hahahaah

yeah ive seen a couple of people on reddit recommending it

so thought id give it a whirl

[sharp gale]

My first 10 of season was as thane

[frosty mango]

Some people are playing it I just don’t think you’ll find many of them here

Nom has a thane build in the guide as a starting point

[remote anchor]

my thane gameplay is so bad now after playing colossus all season

[solid sun]

The dog in your pfp doesn’t appear to be a mountain thane

[frosty mango]

I played a floodgate 14 as thane last week to just kind of fart about, I finished at like 2.4m overall which I don’t think is trolling nor do I think anyone would even notice you’re not playing colossus.

Honestly the biggest reason I wouldn’t pick Thane is the shockwave knock up

Losing that feels so ass

[solid sun]

Def appears to be a demolisher of shoes

[remote anchor]

thane is abit nicer for gathers

[lilac widget]

i force myself to play slayer as arms, so im at least a bit differently specced

and mountain thane would free me up to play colossus as arms

but

from the replies

i dont think it sounds great, im a try it in a 10 key i think

so it wont matter if im crap

[frosty mango]

IMO if you wanna play thane play it

[warm plinth]

You can't just play colossus as both?

[remote anchor]

thane prot is alot better in keys than slayer arms

[frosty mango]

No one is going to even notice

Especially in a 10

I’m gonna play thane all week next week

Normalize thane

Make thane great again

[solid sun]

Well now I won’t do keys with you

Unlike before when I did

[frosty mango]

I’m gonna go do a thane key

Right now

[solid sun]

I’m not coming

Don’t invite me

[frosty mango]

“You can’t fire me I quit” vibes

[solid sun]

Unless you want me to come as Col to carry your damage

[warm plinth]

Already hate not having premium raidbots

🤮

[jagged pier]

[sharp gale]

And occasional returns on Clap prot is fun

[jagged pier]

I played thane for mug'zee

[sharp gale]

Unstoppable force is the biggest W of bfa

[jagged pier]

ewwww

[stoic pilot]

I played thane for our mug'zee reclear too, was pretty fun playing something diff

[warm plinth]

Sure, flex your global emojis smh

[jagged pier]

kinda had too i did every mechanic and its easier to keep IP up

if your soaking bombs then the line then the gold then moving the boss and repeast

[jagged pier]

your the reason i still have them, after u let me have them i had to renew

[warm plinth]

[sharp gale]

Yes it lasted too long, but it is iconic to prot imo

[warm plinth]

I forgot about that tbh

[jagged pier]

the 1 season i didnt play prot, im a fan of tc spam. thats why i didnt like season 1 as much as u were perma tcing really. but tbf i hate season 2 more for different reasons, but every now and then its fun

[frosty mango]

Got invited to a 12

[jagged pier]

[frosty mango]

Immediately asked why I’m playing thane

[jagged pier]

[solid sun]

“To prove the haters wrong”

“I’m making a YouTube video”

[jagged pier]

ive literally played thane in 12s and never been asked once

[frosty mango]

“Yoda said it’s better”

[warm plinth]

No shot, really?

[sharp gale]

Idk what keys you guys join

[frosty mango]

Yes my troll friends always inspecting me

[warm plinth]

Oh

[jagged pier]

but then again even when playing thane i get ask, why u do so much damage tank

[warm plinth]

Ok real talk guys

You have to pick one

[jagged pier]

i havent been in a key in a while tho

[frosty mango]

“Because my name is yellow”

[jagged pier]

mop banners

[warm plinth]

Either Yoda makes videos about us
Or Llarold writes our guides

Aaaaand go

[sharp gale]

But I read so many complains on flames bc fury in /p on the other channel, yet I never saw it myself

[jagged pier]

is nither an option?

[warm plinth]

Not in my totally made up scenario

[frosty mango]

We gotta get yoda in the war discord

[jagged pier]

i guess yoda making a video cause then the guides we point too are more upto date more often

[solid sun]

I didn’t know you didn’t like Llarold writing guides

[jagged pier]

hes a great guide writer

[sharp gale]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-luke-skywalker-star-wars-eyes-closed-gif-16207222

[jagged pier]

he just wasnt the best for prot and let the guide fall behind a bit

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

he also very much might be

just not active

all we need is andy to come through to rank 1 again like SLs

then its all fixed

[jagged gust]

Yoda's guide isn't nearly as bad as his s1

[warm plinth]

I love Andy; I wish he would play prot forever

[solid sun]

I hope Andy is better now

[warm plinth]

Someone told me Yoda's video guide is literally just him reading a text guide

[sharp gale]

He improved prot war wise from last season

[jagged pier]

spreadsheet i heard

[solid sun]

Someone told us Yoda was the goat pwar

[warm plinth]

I am going to make bracers! It is decided.

[jagged gust]

Has to be True, the warrior discord said so

[sharp gale]

But I still wouldn’t take too many info from him about Prot war, whatever for the rest

Like routing etc, you can listen, but CONTEXT is required

[warm plinth]

Do we make the engi wrists or? Not sure what's available for tinkers this time around

[jagged gust]

They're 1 pure secondary yeah?

[warm plinth]

Correct

[lilac widget]

@warm plinth i could but i'd have much more fun if each one felt as different as they possibly could

i just got this 😦

sucks those effects dont work in legion raids

[warm plinth]

The greatest legendary of all time

And one that I never obtained

Always wanted it so I could use it as fury and have like 5 leaps

and play my once a decade warsong gulch

[jagged gust]

Didn't you have a PvP talent that caused leap to stun or something? I remember leap spam and disabling an entire 40 man at some point

[warm plinth]

No idea, I only remember like 4ish pvp talents in general

The best of which is obviously the throw talent that vdh gets

[mighty valley]

I made leap boots in mid-shadowlands for the warsong gulch brawl where you could cap no matter where your flag was

[warm plinth]

Because there's nothing funnier than sitting in Rustbolt and throwing the opposite faction players into the instance portal

[solid sun]

Didn’t we have the option of using the jump legendary for the mage tower

For the portion of the mage fight where you had to quickly leap to the real one

Maybe I’m making it up

[warm plinth]

Yes you could use legendaries in mage tower

Idk if people used that one for that for arms but maybe

[solid sun]

That was such a fun time to be a wow gamer

It is now also

But it was then too

[frosty mango]

2.8m overall, I mean its not like terrible

2.8m overall I think is prob still a million higher than 99% of most other classes tanking keys

definitely WAY easier

think I spent too much rage on IP too

coulda sent them revenges

thane is roidburg approved (but this doesnt mean its better than colossus)

[mighty valley]

if you never had an empty gcd for revenge, you spent the right amount on IP

revenge is weak baby on thane

[sharp gale]

that's what i was gonna say

[frosty mango]

its definitely not weak on thane

[sharp gale]

if you didn't gcd locked you by pressing IP

you pressed the right amount of IP

anger management big on thane

[frosty mango]

im pretty sure I could press no IP and be fine and do more dps sending revenge on thane

[mighty valley]

there just aren't a lot of opportunities when you're prioing ss and tc right

[frosty mango]

I have lower haste in my colo build so there are places for me to slot

not a ton

but I mean I still cast it 193 times that key

which is less than shield slam but it was 9% of my damage - not a negligble amount

[mighty valley]

sure it's more just

"ip or revenge" is an even more fake choice on thane

since you just press revenge when you have literally nothing else and press ip with the rest of your rage

[frosty mango]

macro IP to revenge, win mode

(dont do that its sarcasm)

[sharp gale]

you know how many people macro spenders on spenders bear or prot, then i have to fix their brain

[warm plinth]

17 people

[sharp gale]

17 for me alone means a shit ton of people

but more like 4-5 ppl i helped had these type of macros

idk bear so i'm more gentle on ironfur macros

[frosty mango]

Tbh thane does feel so good

I forgot how smooth it played

[mighty valley]

it really is just basic prot warrior +

[frosty mango]

Dear ion give thane demolish thanks sincerely your best warrior friend Roidburg

[mighty valley]

no thoughts follow prio

[sharp gale]

since i started in bfa, as said, clap prot /unstoppable force, is basic prot in my perspective

[warm plinth]

Yeah I enjoy thane playstyle much better despite enjoying demolish

[ionic fern]

Same.

[warm plinth]

I like my spammy button to not require rage

[sharp gale]

demolish is a good button / it can become iconic

[warm plinth]

plus, let's be real here, thunder clap is WAY more satisfying to press than revenge

[mighty valley]

i like making actual rage decisions occasionally! and seeing seven digit crits

[warm plinth]

aesthetically speaking

[ionic fern]

Demolish feels Arms'ish.

[tulip geyser]

Don’t a lot of people macro iron fur into stuff on bear

[sharp gale]

i would like a cone on the ground + a prot specific animation maybe

(or just remove the cone part of the spell)

[tulip geyser]

I dont macro IP on prot cause that seems troll

[frosty mango]

If they remove demolish it will go poorly

IMO they can’t close that box

It’s a fantastically designed skill

It feels awesome to press

[sharp gale]

demolish feeling arms'ish, is what it gives me smol doubts on the flavor on prot war

but it's just a skin + name whatever matter

[frosty mango]

I’ll be interested to see how they iterate on hero trees

Imo it has been a really good change

[sharp gale]

i trend toward giving the third hero tree as midnight "thing"

since it's lazy

no need to balance accumulation of stuffs

[mighty valley]

we made borrowed power systems in legion to solve the endless complexity creep and pruning cycles. but players didn't like losing stuff at the end of each expansion. so now we add a new talent tree every expansion, and the problem was solved once and for all

[sharp gale]

basically, in my view, it is adding things horizontally compared to vertically (nightmare to balance)

and for ppl who gonna say "slayer is not prot war"

fuck u

craving for new stuff, rejects new prot war archetype ( i'm prepared for these reactions)

what they could do is turn SC and ravager as choice nodes with new stuff : horizontal new stuff

[frosty mango]

Replace ravager with titanic throw

Make that a choice node

We trade damage over time for up front burst

[sharp gale]

it is funny i always forget what ravager capstones do, and then i read it again ahh

[frosty mango]

Ravager is a poop capstone it should be a tier 1 skill

[sharp gale]

i don't agree, i don't feel ravager is "our thing" idk if you understand

[mighty valley]

i'm so mixed on ravager

it felt extremely meh when I first started using it back in the day

but now I miss whenever I don't have it for whatever reason

it's a little like revenge i guess, technically very powerful but lacks any oomph

[jagged gust]

Because it plays in to your gameplay loop

It generates the perfect amount of rage to keep the ball rolling

[warm plinth]

guys, random mage shit on my bfa w route in ML

[mighty valley]

what key level

[warm plinth]

10

[mighty valley]

you think you can complete a 10 without a modern optimized route with well-executed skips? you buffoon

[warm plinth]

I know 😦

He called it a 300% route. Last I checked, 300% is better than 100%!

[jagged gust]

I had a streamer farm 10 deaths before 2nd pull, kept dying them butt pulling aggro on the run back

[patent scroll]

I love those, especially with pugs

[slender bison]

3B Thane ToP 16. Thane is so back

[ionic fern]

It's never left.

[patent scroll]

Some random DPS dies to standing in fire, and they proceed to release and die two additional times to the runback

Then on the third time you turn to look and see what the actual fuck they're doing, and they're just holding W in a straight line and running through the bots at the start of Flood or something

Like god damn my dude is your monitor on

[lilac widget]

so about that leggo i got for war

will it work in legion tw?

[sharp gale]

It does fit well in the loop, but on ravager it’s more : does putting 2 orange blades spinning on the ground is so much our thing that it needs to be central/baseline on our tree like anger management, a spell with a different look can do the rage thing of ravager

[frosty mango]

Did you play execute or regular

[ionic fern]

Aight, which of you is my tank right now?

[jagged gust]

Reddit has fully come under the belief that tank threat is now an issue to be resolved 😦

[slender bison]

Battle stance a lot + Show of Force, no BsV

[jagged gust]

Double ravager! Poggers

[patent scroll]

What even is this

No rend? No Shield Charge?

[frosty mango]

Oof

[patent scroll]

That Last Stand shield block thing because you didn't take SC

[ionic fern]

I honestly don't know what that is.

[patent scroll]

Wait no outburst

[slender bison]

Bro is clearly experimenting Bloodborne, which is good to see. Give him a chance

[patent scroll]

It's like the random BDK builds you see, the longer you look the worse it gets

[ionic fern]

Wildman's actually PRESSING Devastate.

[heavy sparrow]

Maybe for Rik reverb

[jagged gust]

Bro is desperate for that old apm feel

[heavy sparrow]

LmfO

[slender bison]

Needs Sunder Armor and we're so back

[heavy sparrow]

I feel like that build would be rage starved

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-homer-simpsons-hide-disappear-gif-16799752

[jagged gust]

Who needs rage when you can spam devastate?

[sharp gale]

it is the most cursed build i've seen so far in TWW

[nocturne spindle]

Is that like some random level 75

Why do they not have all the hero talents

[round pendant]

damn I got top 50 on my realm and then slacked off and now I'm 97

😔

gotta push more keys even tho idrc

maybe all 15s would be nice

I can just W key those right

[sinful copper]

Yeah after turbo boost, you should have gone up 2 whole key levels by now

[round pendant]

I've hardly played my main since turbo boost

[lusty grotto]

typing this to change my nick again cause im lazy

[round pendant]

I think I did one 14

[sinful copper]

Is your main prot warrior or something else?

[round pendant]

pwar

oh I guess I did some 13s that I had already done to help my friend get resi 13s

[lusty grotto]

ive been having fun

[sinful copper]

Yeah I just need to find a lot of friends with high resilience keys lol

[round pendant]

You can type /nick name

[lusty grotto]

now to get ready for Dune

[round pendant]

yeah I'd be way more down to push if bricking didn't mean having to do lower keys

[lusty grotto]

also playing Nightreign of course

[round pendant]

it was really fun just spamming my resi 13s to get my friends resi 13 too

[sinful copper]

Is that default for discord in all servers?

[round pendant]

just this server

well, all servers

but it changes it on the server you send it in

[lusty grotto]

i didnt even know that was a thing

[sinful copper]

Yeah I just mean the function

[round cliff]

how do u aoe???

whirlwind??

[lusty grotto]

today i learned

[round pendant]

yea you can do it anywhere

[sinful copper]

Damn

[lusty grotto]

😮

ty

apparently its Clyde the bot?

[round pendant]

built-in

oh Clyde is the default discord bot

[lusty grotto]

yeah maybe but

right, makes sense

works with 2 different bots on my server lmao

the default clyde and dyno

and one other that has a /setnick

i dont even know why the fuck im using Dyno on my server lol

[warm plinth]

Dyno has automod stuff too

[lusty grotto]

i think it was for some functionality that wasnt already in discord at the time, probably fucking kick him now

[warm plinth]

And Discord's default modding is pretty trash

[lusty grotto]

eh its not like i need modding there, its just a fuckload of friends

[warm plinth]

Fair

Getting big @lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

this is pretty handy though

[warm plinth]

the three remaining ones are the ones I really don't have a clue what I'm doing in

[lusty grotto]

i had to mute someone 2 weeks ago cause they kept getting plastered and yelling in voice lmao

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto what’s your mom up to?

[lusty grotto]

it was funny the first 2 weekends, but not the third

[frosty mango]

Resisting the urge to respond here

[warm plinth]

must...resist...mom...joke

[lusty grotto]

i would ask you the same thing

i hope you made her a nice breakfast

and lunch

[dusky canopy]

Nim’s mom loves my lackluster arms gamer skills

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

Guy forgot to back space

[lusty grotto]

i see nothing

[lusty grotto]

thats a good sticker

[dusky canopy]

It really is

[lilac widget]

well i tried mountain thane

[jagged gust]

40 is about the death limit on a 10, still timable

[lilac widget]

we did time it 🙂

the healer was new i think, had people dying all over the shop to unavoidable damage

[dusky canopy]

It clearly says you went 6:14 seconds past the time limit

[lilac widget]

but regardless

i did not like mountain thane

is this a weird joke? :S

[ionic fern]

What, that people like different things?

[dusky canopy]

[ionic fern]

Probably not.

[dusky canopy]

He meant my dumbass mwahi

All good

[lilac widget]

no the 6 minutes past the timer

[dusky canopy]

[ionic fern]

Oo.

[coarse latch]

i have stopped learning my tank for now because theres a few more things i want to get done on my main healer, but its def improved my game! Like for example i know that mordrethas reaping scythe can hit really hard - so i have been specifically watching for it.

excited to get back at it and get enterprising tank hopefully 😄 with prot

[lusty grotto]

[coarse latch]

u all have been really nice and helpful for learning tank

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

Skyhold owns!

[lofty warren]

Why is the stat stick corruption bis for everyone that's so lane

[lilac widget]

i'm well aware people like diff things, you should tellt hat to the cesspit that is the mage discord

i kid i kid

[dusky canopy]

Bro just use Twilight Dev like a baseg chad

[ionic fern]

Be sure to come back once you get done with the inferior role.

[lilac widget]

but they did not like that my disabled warrior brain cant retain info from written guides when i was asking for help the other day

[lofty warren]

But twightlight dev is not what the guide says

[ionic fern]

BIG

LAZER

GOES

BOOM

[lilac widget]

twilight dev

will stay on my helmet

until i die

[dusky canopy]

Ahh yes the guide didn’t recommend it so I can’t do it

[lofty warren]

Is it legal to not choose what guide says?

[lusty grotto]

in that particular case, yes

[warm plinth]

Twilight Dev is bis in our hearts; the guide is IRRELEVANT

[lusty grotto]

because the difference is not huge

its decently sized but not huge for a small part of your dps anyway

[dusky canopy]

I’ll sacrifice .002% damooje so I can pipe out sick lazer beams from my face

[warm plinth]

2.3% of my damage, big ups

[ionic fern]

Even i don't always follow the guide i write cause i want to do some random crap and have fun.

[warm plinth]

I may only be doing 200k dps but we ignore that part

[coarse latch]

[warm plinth]

I did outdps the boomie in that run though so I will take it

[lofty warren]

How much worse is twightlight dev compared to what the guide says

[sinful copper]

If the diff isn't big, I'm gonna do twilight dev too. Will help with threat on pull if I get a proc lol

[frosty mango]

Irrelevant because it’s way cooler

[coarse latch]

Yeah honestly, I had no idea that it did that until now, that's cool af

[frosty mango]

Everyone knows putting flame stickers on your car makes it go faster, just like twilight dev

[dusky canopy]

Amen

Twilight dev gives you speed now

Sick!

[frosty mango]

It makes you feel faster

[lofty warren]

I already bought the stat stick enchant tho

[frosty mango]

I feel therefore I am

Or something like that

[alpine solar]

slam bad yes? we dont press?

[dusky canopy]

To bad you can’t infinitely farm horrific visions for the currency

[frosty mango]

No you do not press slam as prot

[lusty grotto]

@warm plinth no slam, no rend (cause TC), no whirlwind

[dusky canopy]

“Shield” slam

[frosty mango]

Or whirlwind

[dusky canopy]

You forgot part of it

[warm plinth]

this guy

[dusky canopy]

Smh you can whirlwind once every millennia!

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-persian-guardian-why-gif-10371245960573455153

[warm plinth]

I HAVE MEMENTOS

I like visions

[lofty warren]

Nit gonna infinitely farm content that is still time gated. It will be 1000x easier and faster after gate is removed

[lusty grotto]

why not

[warm plinth]

And they're a very chill source of gilded crests when friends are not on

[dusky canopy]

My guy is a vision SLAMMER Hollyy

Go off king

[lusty grotto]

lol you get more than 1k frags on a 1 mask run

and its easy as fuck

[warm plinth]

wdym? The very very tiny bit of timegating ends tomorrow so

[lusty grotto]

hell i didnt even touch it with alts and i got the greater enchant on 5 of them

[warm plinth]

And you already have pretty much all of the important shit

[lofty warren]

The bottom of the talents can't be selected i think

[warm plinth]

No but you don't need them either

[dusky canopy]

You can do 8 mask run ez

Don’t even have full tree yet

[lusty grotto]

yeah

8 masks is easier than 5 masks last week lmao

nemesis is fucking broken

[warm plinth]

I did my 8 mask at 655 so

ezpz

lemon squeezy

[dusky canopy]

Hollyyy

[warm plinth]

I watched a guy do an 8 mask on a warlock at 639

And frankly he could've done the intiial challenge I set him with some more time

initial*

Which was 605

Only reason he couldn't is because he was having trouble getting his 4pc at that ilevel

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah, by a fucking mile. Like only way last week could be worse is if you had to use daredevil

[dusky canopy]

Isn’t their a tap to pay somewhere on his computer desk that will give him 4set?

Oh wait we haven’t gotten that low yet

Check back in a few years

Yo! Holup! Isn’t it belt week?

Or is that 11.1.7?

[warm plinth]

Think that's 11.1.7

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto educate me I’m in noober mode

[warm plinth]

June 17th @dusky canopy the belt is part of the patch on the blue post

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-7-release-date-is-june-17th-377115

[frosty mango]

Heyoooo

No belt craftin for me

[dusky canopy]

Hell yeah!!

[cinder pasture]

Wait, you get gilded crests from visions? I need to pay more attention 🤣

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's not very time efficient though

You're not gonna want to spam 8 masks, and the lowest mask count that gives them is 5, which gives 3 per run

8 masks are supposed to give more (6), but it's a much bigger time investment for not much gain

And ofc 8 mask has a lot higher risk of some random bullshit happening and ending your run

[cinder pasture]

Huh, I've been slacking with getting masks... Good to know!

[warm plinth]

Make sure at the very least to unlock the 2 Org only masks and the Org half of the nemesis mask

The rest can be obtained from Stormwind

[lusty grotto]

8 masks runs are just for challenge sake and the achieve, after you do them once, you dont have to do them again

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I absolutely love visions and I can't see me having a reason to do 8 masks after doing them once. 5 masks are far more chill and anything I would get out of an 8 mask, I'll get out of a 5 easier

[lusty grotto]

[patent scroll]

Not sure if vision sales are still a thing and if I should

[warm plinth]

I'm sure they are

[jagged pier]

they 100% will be

[cerulean olive]

just timed 17 priory as mountain thane haha

[warm plinth]

Somehow this is the first time I've seen this drop

[jagged gust]

Speaking of drops the void enchant is pretty sick

Still haven't been able to figure out a mog for it yet tho

Hoping the ethereal/void expansion fills it out

[warm plinth]

I actually forgot that's where the enchant came from until it dropped for me again. Sadly can't sell it so just gonna get vendored 😦

[patent scroll]

Is that the one that just turns your whole weapon into the ugliest void looking texture?

[jagged gust]

Yep!

[warm plinth]

It's the weapon purple-izer

[patent scroll]

Yeah, I think that's like one of the worst enchants just because it does that

[jagged gust]

It's really neat concept, just bad colour pallete

I hate the winter one, it's so strong if I use a large 2h on my mechagnome it envelops my entire character model

[warm plinth]

bis enchant is stinging sands

[patent scroll]

Pretty sure it's just because of the way they've done (at least) previous weapons, but they really should've just had the void enchant apply to the part you hit with on weapons and it would be insane

[warm plinth]

Though the primal element ones are quite good

[jagged gust]

Ooh I don't know that one

[patent scroll]

Would be great to have kinda more accurate placement on things that just apply a layer to the whole texture

[jagged gust]

Big true

[warm plinth]

Not a lot of people have it; it's not obtainable anymore. It's from RAF.

[jagged gust]

Some newer models do have unique enchant placement, so they seem to be halfassedly phasing it in

[patent scroll]

Yeah, pretty sure they're doing weapons a bit differently these days anyhow, with multiple "areas" on the object and not just "this weapon is a single object"

makes it very easy to do recolors like the axes on trading post

[lusty grotto]

if thats the case, they could implement dyes soon

or as a "next expansion" after midnight

would be sweet

[warm plinth]

apparently impossible to get the irresistible red button crafted

[cinder pasture]

Yea, just checked and I've got all masks except the mask of Dark Imagination (which is Stormwind). Though it was the multitudes one I was missing, had no idea I'd done a run clearing everything 🤷‍♂️ 😅

[lusty grotto]

i can craft it, too bad im on Arthas and also gotta do all weekly shit today since i havent logged on this week

[round pendant]

Dyes would be so good

They could even lock fancy looking dyes behind achievements/etc

and I could finally make different items from different sets match

absolutely huge

[warm plinth]

Well, that's a better experience than a lot of folks had, which was that they thought they were full clearing but weren't

[warm plinth]

Just faction xfer rq ezpz

[lusty grotto]

factions dont matter for crafting orders

servers do unless youre on a guild and can do guild orders

[hardy snow]

[warm plinth]

Srory meant realm transfer, not faction

Oh no, that's a feels bad Jawor 😦

[cinder pasture]

Yea...Probably must have gotten it when I ran around looking for potions to get progress on one of those tribute things

[hardy snow]

yea, someone stepped into last mine set...

[warm plinth]

I would say much easier to do a full clear on Org too since there's not really enemies that are out of the way that are required.

Since I would bet money the windrider mobs aren't necessary

[patent scroll]

holy m+12 demons

[round pendant]

which means the realm restriction is just completely arbitrary on blizz's part

and should be removed

😠

[lusty grotto]

i dont doubt it

and agree

especially on low pop servers, its hell, i make bank but its not good for the game

[patent scroll]

tank going for the 150% route in ToP, no routes, tries skips the first challenger?, gets knocked down thrice, tanks mordetha in the middle and dies to suck twice

should've tanked because what the shit is this

[lusty grotto]

@warm plinth tank a 10 rookery, im healing

too late

[vast harness]

Hey everyone, having a tough time tanking Big Momma at 668 ilvl, I line up shield wall with Electrocrush but I'm still just getting hammered and end up bleeding out. Anyone have any tips or do I just need to rely on healers big pumping during the DoT?

this is 12+ btw

[wispy moth]

Just cd and spam IP

[strong fox]

Spell block and spell reflect go hard there

[solid sun]

Yo @patent scroll bonus points for “thrice”

[vast harness]

can I spell block electrocrush? Or just those in general for mitigation during the fight

[solid sun]

It works on electrocrush

[shrewd plinth]

my 12 floodgate farm

feels gud

[solid sun]

Iirc it can cover two since it lasts so long

[strong fox]

Yeah, also, as others said, pooling rage for a fatty IP is also really strong there.

[lusty grotto]

use your walls

instead of IP

and SR for the MDR

[frosty mango]

Remember avatar is also shield wall, also spell reflect every one of them. Spellblock is also very strong for that and depending on key level don’t be afraid to throw ignore pain.

[lusty grotto]

damage reduction in general >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IP

[frosty mango]

You also have demo shout

[lusty grotto]

spell block only works for the initial hit, not the dot, but it helps

[lusty grotto]

see above

[patent scroll]

I think EU servers just exploded

At least parts of them

[lusty grotto]

check out the sheet thats pinned by Sense

@vast harness

it includes spell blockables and commentary

we live and die by that list

[vast harness]

oh hell yes

[lusty grotto]

helps you plan cds

also completely forget about the "fatty IP" comment

irrelevant

and you have 3 walls

its a 12

so dont overvalue IP like random reddit users do

[strong fox]

I assumed they were already using defensives - obvi don't rely on just IP for that

[lusty grotto]

ah alright then

but just FYI, punish stacks are better than an IP

[vast harness]

yeah I mean IP when it ends but mostly figuring out how to mitigate some of the DoT damage so healers arent too far behind when the amp phase starts

[lusty grotto]

shield slam the boss, not the adds

IP at 70+ rage only

dot damage = wall

[idle copper]

If you BL the first large pack +extras then work your way to Duo boss fight you'll have BL back just as you are getting into Momma. Helps a lot

[vast harness]

Yeah I've seen that on the big keys

not sure lust is needed for momma on a 12 tho

[lusty grotto]

totally unnecesary

[patent scroll]

It's not

[vast harness]

I think I justneed to manage mitigation better

[strong fox]

Momma is great because its like one of the few bosses in the pool where you actually want/need to cleanly rotate defensives or you're cooked

[patent scroll]

I just basically held W

[lusty grotto]

it helps, just unnecesary on a 12

[idle copper]

Didn't say it's necessary it just helps (a lot). It's not really needed anywhere else either

[lusty grotto]

right right

[patent scroll]

Well yeah, sure

The dungeon is a bit weird for lust timings

[lusty grotto]

hes not dying to not having lust, just to clarify

its just defensive cycling

[patent scroll]

It's like ToP when the key is done in 20-24 minutes

[lusty grotto]

lust might play a part if the boss just isnt dying fast enough, but thats very unlikely

[idle copper]

Yep, honestly get that, makes the fight significant shorter though

[vast harness]

Yeah for sure, using SR to help on the DoT is a bit of a game changer

and Spell Block for the initial

[lusty grotto]

and wall

wall them all

[vast harness]

always wall

Great Wall of Mag'Har

[lusty grotto]

eh

[warm plinth]

I aint even done a 2 rookery

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-rookie-numbers-gif-20904132

[heavy sparrow]

What is the best race on horde side for prots at this time?

[lusty grotto]

vulpera

[warm plinth]

The one that looks the best to you

[heavy sparrow]

5% damage reduction based on your health for first hit right

[lusty grotto]

yea

but honestly whatever looks best

thats just the min maxy pick

which really isnt a thing since

[patent scroll]

Maghar can surely be warriors

[lusty grotto]

cross faction exists

[patent scroll]

That would be my pick probably

But yeah just the one that looks best

the CD doesn't sync anyway

[warm plinth]

Everything can be warrior

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt be restricted to horde anyway

we're in 2025

[heavy sparrow]

I normally main human but looking to switch things up

[warm plinth]

You should. Can be human offline

[strong fox]

Dwarf is also really strong

[patent scroll]

I would take anything but like Panda, Trolls and Taurens

Mainly because I fucking hate their mog options/issues

[lusty grotto]

he knows the meta picks

im pretty sure lol

[patent scroll]

toes or hooves 😱

[heavy sparrow]

Surprisingly not yet lol. Been grinding classic AVs since undermine tokens for released

[lusty grotto]

well the meta picks are dwarf or NE

its been that way for

4 expansions? 5?

so nothing has changed

[heavy sparrow]

Dwarf for racial and ne for threat drop right

[patent scroll]

Since Legion pretty sure, as Belf got nerfed

[lusty grotto]

for skips, not threat drop

yeah i forgot about AOE silence

[heavy sparrow]

Ahh right mb. What I meant

[patent scroll]

But yeah Nelf is the overwhelming tech pick

Dwarfs depend on the season

[lusty grotto]

dwarf is strong, you just rely on others for skips

especially vs dailcry

[heavy sparrow]

Thanks everyone, very helpful

May the pug DPS know how to interrupt within your keys.

[bleak breach]

Upto M Mug’zee now, the end is getting close.

[heavy sparrow]

You got this man, dont forget to hydrate

[bleak breach]

https://tenor.com/view/hydrelated-hydrated-water-lannavo-tinnitus-gif-22888217

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/seul-friends-gif-26323837

[round cliff]

@warm plinth basket strats betray me

the throw just instantly drains ur sanity on the spot

[bleak breach]

We got Mug’zee down to 44% in about an hour so shouldn’t take too long on him.

[patent scroll]

Was that with second gaols or

[warm plinth]

The throw doesn't instantly drain your sanity though. Even if it hits it's only 150

[round cliff]

it does when it on the basket

[warm plinth]

You probably moved too much getting up there and spawned void zones under you or something. I used the strat in 5 different runs with no issue