lusty grotto
delete one or the other
#protection
frosty mango
I’m fine with either just make it so the other is gone and balance the class and talents around it properly
frosty mango
Smf has been meme tier for EXPANSIONS
It’s honestly egregious it’s still in the game
chilly brook
wtb glad spec
chilly brook
I wonder, if they end up doing a WoD classic, if they'll actually bother trying to balance Glad Stance
frosty mango
I doubt it
mighty valley
delete titan's grip and let us transmog 1h to 2h just so we don't need to deal with the 2x2her headaches lol
not gonna happen but i can dream
frosty mango
Because if they did it properly then everyone would want it in retail
Imo just make it a spec
Let it use war glaives
frosty mango
1h shield inc glaives balance around damage spec and make it highly mobile with some ranged skills
Like spear throw and shit
I dunno I’m not a class designer but they got billions of dollars, make it work
chilly brook
I'd really like to see a spear added that isn't just a 2h polearm
like a legit spear weapon class
jagged gust
bro no chance
the moment an animation doesnt look like an auto attack the community riots
solid sun
F 'em
jagged gust
no one's gonna notice anyways
Best time to meme around as fury, no one expects you to dps in the first place
nocturne spindle
too bad i have negative mastery and only heroic 2 handers
solid sun
It's probably time for another tank spec
I wonder how many of our shield brethren we'd lose to a new tank spec
jagged gust
its time for the blue warriors to rise up
limpid tide
just make baseline like TG is wth 
round cliff
i miss bfa leech stat
narrow jay
I got mythic sprocket prog and I'm taking every bomb should I swap all my enchants from leech to speed? And run the movement speed gem as well?
mighty valley
the difference is going to be extremely small either way
solid sun
In heroic we just took turns taking a party pack
coarse latch
Heroic Throw but it throws a weapon at every mob in a group - and it's damage is increased 1000%
solid sun
Why in mythic do some groups decide one tank should take every one?
dusk ice
It lines up well debuff wise, consistency, tank comp def easier to get out and back quickly on some classes. Probably not one overall reason.
warm plinth
we gamin
limpid tide
Heroic Throw but it throws a weapon at every mob in a group - and it's damage is...
they could honestly copy a lot of DH talents to buff warrior esp fury
deft mortar
yo is twilight devastation %health dmg?
warm plinth
No
deft mortar
ah no point playing the game then
warm plinth
also nerfed for tanks so even more sadge
coral sonnet
Do you guys hold demolish for a bit later into pull? I find if I rip it too early I lose aggro until my final demolish swing
coarse latch
they could honestly copy a lot of DH talents to buff warrior esp fury
I will admit I do get kind of sad when I see their AOE sigil thing pulls packs
I just like the fantasy though of a normal physical warrior that's just yolked
sharp gale
yo is twilight devastation %health dmg?
and the target cap is cringe
frosty mango
Heroic Throw but it throws a weapon at every mob in a group - and it's damage is...
Isn’t this just called titanic throw
mighty valley
Do you guys hold demolish for a bit later into pull? I find if I rip it too earl...
yeah i use it when everything is gathered and I’ve used all my other cds so threat is solid
coarse latch
Isn’t this just called titanic throw
Wow, I didn't know that existed. I wasn't playing then, wish they didn't remove that. There are so many awesome spells that don't exist anymore 
frosty mango
depends on the key and how you pull
polar cloak
cinderbrew and aggressive
frosty mango
for thane typically spear would probably do more but in a cinderbrew roar may edge it out
it would be close
its close anyway in general
mighty valley
Wow, I didn't know that existed. I wasn't playing then, wish they didn't remove ...
It was an awkward talent to grab that also added downsides to the basic functionality of heroic throw
At this point i feel like they’ve just decided difficulty gathering should be a unique weakness of prot warrior
nocturne spindle
near marsh
Cinderbrew Stein or Bomb suit
mighty valley
Cinderbrew Stein or Bomb suit
bombsuit is the best in its niche, stein is kinda blah
quasi blade
So do we pop Tome of Lights Devotion on pull since it takes as long as the CD to build up anyway?
Nub prot warrior, apologies.
frosty mango
So do we pop Tome of Lights Devotion on pull since it takes as long as the CD to...
Depends on if it’s sword or shield mode
But generally yes if it’s in shield you’d press it to put it in sword with the bonus on the start of a pack
quasi blade
Ty
idle copper
So do we pop Tome of Lights Devotion on pull since it takes as long as the CD to...
There is a weak aura that alerts you when to use it to keep it on crit
fallen lichen
Is gearing for more damage optimal for survivability as well? Or is haste/crit usually the way to go defensively?
delicate sparrow
peak flax
There is a weak aura that alerts you when to use it to keep it on crit
I can't find it. Do you have a link?
brave sapphire
Anyone else having problems with adding the 2 box mobs in floodgate to Momma? I tried making them go left and right, but the other groups aggro when they pass. This used to work, but now it seems to be a 50/50 gamble. Am certain that i‘m not bodypulling the others.
patent scroll
Is gearing for more damage optimal for survivability as well? Or is haste/crit u...
Just sim and follow that
Eventually if you run into survivability issues in the 17-18s your doing, then look at it again
Upto at least that point it's just ilvl and gameplay
fallen lichen
Just sim and follow that <:okayge:917646812519739433>
So recrafting my neck from crit/haste to versa/mast is worth it? 0,5% damage gain according to sims. Did 6 out of 8 16s now but have champion weapon and shield. So some packs are kinda hard. Wondering where I can gain a bit of survivability.
Next week should be better with spark, vault and dinars.
patent scroll
Yeah I mean the obvious solution there is to use not champion gear
But yeah you could do that recraft, why not if it's telling you that the item with vers is better
fallen lichen
Yea that was the question. It’s obviously better damage wise, but can’t sim tankiness
patent scroll
You're swapping a single item
It's +-0 go dig into logs of a few days of your M+ runs and try to calculate the parry difference
fallen lichen
I’ll mess around with topgear, might switch some more around. Thanks.
idle copper
I can't find it. Do you have a link?
I cant find it either now - the below is the code
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I made a custom sound file so it says "Trinket" but you could change it to any of the preconfigured spoken words or noises within WA
slender bison
I cant find it either now - the below is the code
!WA:2!1r1ZVTrXxCBSqvybsT5qAQ...
Easier to share it via pastebin
idle copper
Easier to share it via pastebin
First time Ive used this but this looks like its worked
https://pastebin.com/YY6phy45
patent scroll
🤔 does discord code snippet thing collapse a really long string
idle copper
looks the same as what i copied out of WA tbh
topaz verge
So can someone explain to me why people start picking up Mountain thane again in higher key levels?
solid sun
Cause they wanted to
The only people I’ve seen do higher keys did them as Col
Except one day Yoda was experimenting with MT
stoic pilot
Just messing around & trying it out mostly
clever hazel
probably been asked 1k times but is there a good prot warrior youtube/twitch that I should watch to learn from and better my play?
karmic plinth
sense is your best bet
strong forum
Mekes seems aight aswell
Man used outburst on shield slam instead of thunderclap on a big pull cuz there's 1 big prio add that needs to die and the rest was just pad.
That alone tells you he knows what matters
vital pelican
is greater rune of the void ritual our go to or should i be looking at something else?
idle copper
yep, but the lazer finger one looks cool and is minimal dps loss
strong forum
All things considered, you can run whatever you want since they all do kinda the same
It's minimal performance difference
And if you ain't pulling literal 99-100 parses and 3+mil overalls in keys chances are even higher that it matters even less
patent scroll
The damage procs are technically better the less damage you do 
But yeah not sure anyone should care if you gain 2.5 or 2.2% from random effect
ocean smelt
I like void ritual because it's also a bit of a defensive bonus to have those stats tho
bronze delta
Is 90-95 parse good in keys 12-13? Trying to figure out how i can maximize my dps.
stoic pilot
Man used outburst on shield slam instead of thunderclap on a big pull cuz there'...
when the mini boss is alive for 4 trash packs in a row it starts to become a problem 
patent scroll
Is 90-95 parse good in keys 12-13? Trying to figure out how i can maximize my dp...
That number is sadly misleading and worthless
round pendant
Yeah that page is useless unless you click the sword icon at the top right but then it shows you your 99 parses on the +2s you've done instead of the highest keys
(but you can just click a dungeon and see all your actual parses for that key)
but key parses are more dependent on your group as a whole than actually playing right imo
well, after a certain point
patent scroll
Yeah, it's routing, team, your gameplay, roughly in that order
round pendant
You can't exactly do the giga dam routes with pugs either
patent scroll
Well, technically routing is also your gameplay but yep
round pendant
I pull an extra pack in floodgate, the least offensive dungeon to pull big in
and get called weird
😔
patent scroll
I kinda like the place, I can just open MDT and just click on the funny circles and it works out
Well, besides pulling bombcrabs
Fuck those
nocturne spindle
That's why you skip bubbles 🙂
patent scroll
Even then
round pendant
cba dunno how
patent scroll
Just remove bubbles, let us choose what we don't want to kill
And don't make a mob you just kinda have to skip
After one of the three hard to heal bosses
cerulean tusk
Bubbles is supposed to be there as an "bring ST DPS" option route
Sadly noone ever does
Why?
Cause 90% of the dungs are always mass AoE
round pendant
it's still a super inefficient mob that's kinda forced on you without doing weird unintuitive skips
bad design imo
cerulean tusk
Just inefficent cause ST dps group brings is lower than the AoE option
Design is 'good', as it is supposed to give you the option. You can already skip it.
bronze delta
That number is sadly misleading and worthless
cerulean tusk
Bubbles should grant 90% of the dung count 
make ST comps great again
slender bison
Bubbles is about healer CDs management not dps
slender bison
Healers come dry from Swampface
cerulean tusk
less healing is required
slender bison
So that's why UDK is king in that dungeon. AMZs everywhere
To balance healer off cds
cerulean tusk
Or Fury Warrior, just SR, BT and SW dance
slender bison
Plus grip inspectors though I am working on a inspector-free route
cerulean tusk
Meh, I just hope the devs manage to force ST to be more important in some dungs. Even in ToP you can skip most of it, just AoE instead
slender bison
Top is ST heavy dungeon. Only exception is Gorechop wing giga pull, where AoE needs to go big
slender bison
Idk, but WW doing 6M to Xav is fun
Funny enough ToP is free dungeon for Prot warrs
First dungeon to do when you move M+ bracket up
patent scroll
Well yeah
cerulean tusk
Just bring a MM to snap things from platforms, and ez pz breezy
patent scroll
It's all either physical or almost irrelevant
Then you go on there on BDK and parry bad on flagboss or get chopped
And it's so over
slender bison
Yeah, ToP full Phys is always fun . Melt everything and warr finishes with 50 intereupts
slender bison
Prot/Rogue/WW/Hunt/Disc or Sham giga blast
slender bison
ToP is 😴
Play in a synergy group, skip 2 PvP boss with shaman totem and whatch everything melt
Top has lowest chance of dying randomly, so easy key to get in order to get invites to next brackets
round pendant
S: Floodgate, Priory
A: Motherlode
B: Mechagon, Rookery
C: Brew, DFC
D: ToP
how easy the key is doesn't factor into how much I like it
lol
nocturne spindle
Rookery bosses are so boring thout
slender bison
If you're not doing rookery bosses in Battle Stance you're doing it wrong
nocturne spindle
That doesn't make them less boring
round pendant
Yeah they're not great
That's why it's in B
because I hate it less than the last 3
slender bison
I know, at least you get some crit s to keep you going
slender bison
Dfc is super fun, just for the cart part where you sync with healer and grab everything ahead
Healer is dispel bot
slender bison
Same was Necrotic Wake last season
slender bison
Giga interrupts from disruption
nocturne spindle
I still get groups who don't know disrupting is a thing
Always fun seeing the confusion
slender bison
I'm starting to do 16s now and ToP is the easiest to time, especially with the battle pet RP skip
Insane bug
Afte first boss dead - challenge to pet battle and forfeit. It will skip the RP with the choking thing and floor drop
warped wharf
this is a joke to take from the vault right?
slender bison
this is a joke to take from the vault right?
Use for catalyst if you don't have Myth track
sharp gale
I guess it’s the things for thunderfury
round pendant
yep no binding
round pendant
I guess it’s the things for thunderfury
yea
sucks cause I have them.. just on another char
wtf my graphics settings reset 
sharp gale
Deserved bc you try to get 2 pixels wep
It happened to me couple months ago, it changes my screen resolution
round pendant
Yeah that was weird, my resolution was off but the option was still saying 1440p
sharp gale
For me the new resolution was always something weird like 1967x1056
solid sun
Hey @undone beacon
It just dawned on me that you said you were pulling threat off your co-tank
undone beacon
Correct
cerulean olive
2025 and have to run own key because im not getting invited in any 18 key, DISGUSTING
ALWAYS VENGEANCE DH
I CANT STAND IT
solid sun
Correct
Are you just the goat bear
Doing some kitty weaving?
I thought bear was near the bottom of the tank meters with brew
undone beacon
Cat weaving is the only thing that makes bear interesting in raid lmaoo
And our other tank is both undergeared in comparison and uhhhh not the best at his dps rotation
solid sun
Oooo
nocturne spindle
Is he the 0/0 man himself
undone beacon
PFFT
Blessed be the 0/0 parse
But nah, he’s just had to swap from evoker since our other tank quit raiding
So he’s behind
nocturne spindle
What's your hours I can tank 🙂
tribal wharf
I CANT STAND IT
the demons.... are everywhere..... must kill them all!
i'd tell you good luck slayer but pwar cant be slayer 😦
solid sun
Raiding with Pash would be so fun
Every few wipes would be a new discord dm with a gif of some animal exploding
undone beacon
round pendant
mighty valley
Typo — they were looking for a “Wario tank”
upbeat hill
how do you guys handle the miniboss before 2nd boss in motherlode?
i'm starting to get into 17s and that miniboss is quite deadly with his bleed.
sometimes it ramps up so quickly that suddenly i have like 8-9 stacks, which is hard to survive.
Do I need to kite even more? A class with a enrage dispell is must have here?
mighty valley
I think high crit helps there? It applies on auto attacks iirc
otherwise enrage dispel helps, cauterize helps if anyone has it, racial helps if you’re a stinky dwarf, walking away to drop stacks if you gotta helps
upbeat hill
yea my crit is kinda low, can improve that. thanks
warm plinth
Man look at these massive keys. I'm straight gamin
jagged pier
Went he does big circle just move far away
jagged pier
Man look at these massive keys. I'm straight gamin
Gaming
warm plinth
First DFC that I did that was not m0, and only did one m0
Friend was in voice w/ me trying to guide me but I still did a pull where healer was like "don't ever do that pull again" LOL
cerulean tusk
What I am looking for in a relationship. A real man!
solid sun
Friend was in voice w/ me trying to guide me but I still did a pull where healer...
Should do it again
warm plinth
This was the pull
solid sun
Looks great
I’m guessing you los’d somewhere
I still don’t know how people manipulate mobs there but in the keys I’ve done so far it hasn’t mattered
warm plinth
I didn't los anywhere because I didn't actually intend to pull it
solid sun
lol did stuff get pulled when the big guy yeeted stuff everywhere?
warm plinth
He yeeted me into something; I didn't know he did that
solid sun
Hahaha priceless
round pendant
Friend was in voice w/ me trying to guide me but I still did a pull where healer...
eh could be worse, 2 pelters 3 casters
it's bad if people don't kick the casters ig
solid sun
Picturing your reaction is making me laugh
“Oh no, I wish I had known that was going to happen”
warm plinth
Well, the initial pull was calculated; I was gonna pull the side but around a pillar so everything would come in
And then someone pulled a bunch of smallies off me and I panicked and went to pick them up, so the LoS part never really happened
and then the big guy knocked me into the top left part, and then somehow the pack across got pulled
We didn't technically wipe
mortal cypress
What I am looking for in a relationship. A real man!
Even I've done more than that and I am wow special needs
coarse latch
when you all do priory do you always do this first pull?
I feel like in pugs when im healing casual 10s its always this - which is fine because i have bl, but seems kinda spooky if you didnt 
solid sun
Not me
I pull that but not the pack directly in front of the water feature
So it’s a four pack instead of a five pack and if suleyman is still alive and the knight is dead and other stuff is starting to die I’ll pull one of the three caster packs and use the stairs and ranged interrupts to bring them in
cerulean tusk
frosty mango
when you all do priory do you always do this first pull?
I feel like in pugs whe...
Yes I do because it’s safer than two knights
I also pull dfc like a madman
I pull first pull then entire left side down around the wall to Los
Once all the mobs get to the wall, shockwave and drag the big guys out
So when they shout, all the mobs just go into the wall
Omega brain
warm plinth
PUT YOUR HANDS UP AND SHOUT
frosty mango
Also shockwave knock up stops the kickback so no Los necessary
And dps can Los behind the wall
It’s like the perfect tech pull
nimble beacon
Also shockwave knock up stops the kickback so no Los necessary
Really?!
cerulean tusk
1st pull? He talking about the wall as you walk from room 1 into room 2, the cove to the left.
In general you can always move the big guy from the pack without much problem, as casters gonna cast when gathered, so you can aim the knockback by having the pack and big guy spread controlled by your hitbox.
Aka: Pull it a bit from the pack, run through its hitbox, this will make it step away from you - as it doesnt want to stand inside of you, having it split from the pack with minimum movement
solid sun
How in the heck do you run all the way down the corridor on the left
And all the way back
Without showing your back to stuff and not wasting like all your defensives
Is there a teleporter I’m missing
cerulean tusk
Ya mean 1st pull?
solid sun
Yeh Roid said he takes the entire left side
Plus the pack guarding the entry to the second room I’m guessing
cerulean tusk
1st room is easy, you just throw, and taunt - shieldcharge the big guy, leap into room 2, heroic throw the casters as you pull towards the left and LoS, wait for them all to gather on you.
If you in theory wanted to pull all of room 1 and 2, (all the way to the boss), you simply run to the left-side pillar, wait for the kobolds to jump down and clap em, then run on following that wall. Then run into that alcove to have them gather.
If people dont LoS roars tho, I can see em die quite easily
solid sun
Maybe I’m just tryna go too fast
next pasture
why would one pull the first wing of gorechop after 1st boss in theater of pain, then backtrack to xav's wing and clear there? is this not the exact same timing as just going straight to xav wing and holding lust for gorechop? except you don't waste time backtracking?
frosty mango
Really?!
Yes
All the way to the end
In the boss area there’s a wall you can walk around to the left
frosty mango
1st room is easy, you just throw, and taunt - shieldcharge the big guy, leap int...
I don’t Los the first pull, it causes issues
I grab the entire first area, run down the hall, charge the wicklighters and then disrupting them as I move to the moleherd pack
I drag them back to the door and it all stacks there with just
I use shockwave to stop the knock back and they’re all dead before the second
If you Los the first pull you are also losing your healer which can be problematic because you’re getting shit on by wicklighters before the group catches up
frosty mango
why would one pull the first wing of gorechop after 1st boss in theater of pain,...
Probably lust timings
toxic gyro
anyone have a nice wa showing all group's aoe stops ?
frosty mango
So you can have lust for boss which would not be the case if you’re skipping minis, so doing first section of plague gives you an efficient pull to align your lust timer
That’s the only reason I can think of
I always do xav last so we can lust gore chop and pull trash into boss, imo lusting xav is a waste because you’re losing uptime constantly
frosty mango
anyone have a nice wa showing all group's aoe stops ?
Omnicd does this
Attaches to your raid/party frame and you can customize it
toxic gyro
Attaches to your raid/party frame and you can customize it
i dont want them attached. Wanted just a quick wa with icons and cd
guess i'll have to customize omnicd
small steeple
guess i'll have to customize omnicd
Omnicd you can detach from frames too
frosty mango
Omnicd you can detach from frames too
This
I had the wildest key
Work 16, zero deaths. Invis potting last trash so I say wait for me to go, then you guys go
Hunter camos in and gets hit by the guy who can see through stealth, disengages and pulls the other pack into us. We wipe with 13 mins on timer
Np
Hunter insta leaves the key
His own key
next pasture
Probably lust timings
but the video i watched they lusted gorechop. it was the exact same like, timing
lofty wren
Guys does anyone know how can I get to have more visible attacks which I have blocked. For example on my unit frame where is your char portrait you get incoming heals and dmg and also it shows dmg which you have blocked. But my problem is that too many heals are overwhelming the frame and you can't really see what did you block and that moment. Anyone has anything to track or see attacks which I have blocked or how to remove incoming heals on frame. I have check blizzard options but I can't find anything. I am using standard wow unit frames
round pendant
you need the advanced interface options addon
and you can disable incoming heals, etc
but ideally you'd just log and check after a dungeon/etc
if you're reacting to not blocking anything you already fucked up
lofty wren
I get you but I am not interested in checking logs don't have time for it. Will progress tru dungeons and see where and how I take dmg
mighty valley
Hunter insta leaves the key
god this is so clearly a shame quit LOL
just embarrassed and fears getting yelled at
sharp gale
Once or twice I did shame quit
But it was on the first pack of tol dagor and the first pack of freehold
jagged gust
But it was on the first pack of tol dagor and the first pack of freehold
freehold one is understandable
thats like the one dungeon people agree prot war is okay in
sharp gale
I was brew back then
jagged gust
ohhh, brews cannot be shamed, you're good
frosty mango
Once or twice I did shame quit
Yea but as soon as it happened I said “just wipe its np we have plenty of time”
Dude just left lol
thats my DFC route
or this for true baller dps
sharp gale
it's been a while i didn't push, so my current dfc route waste some time to be safe
and i don't do the skip before candle king
2 -> 3 is just chain pull the 4 packs / 1 candle caster if i feel like
frosty mango
The candle skip is easy and saves tons of time
pull 2 there i feel like is unnecessarily risky
you have 2 big guys with no lust
solid sun
I can heroic leap up onto the ledge
But it feels like the rest of the group is constantly struggling even with me offering to do the group mount thing
Idgi
idle copper
But it feels like the rest of the group is constantly struggling even with me of...
Group mount thing?
solid sun
You can take out a mount with multiple seats
And just sit there with open seats and let party members jump in them if they fail to get up on the ledge
Even with that it’s faster than slogging through those two mini bosses
solemn current
Mounts don’t work in DFC
echo egret
Well well...
What trinket to buy now ? I have none on mythic track. (and no mythic raid done)
I have a tome of light blabla on hero track
jagged gust
theres nothing that's truly remarkable
tome/pacemaker are good if you can max their ilvls and dont have hero delve trinkets
jastor is good if you can maintain it
echo egret
i can't buy jastor
solid sun
Myth pacemaker
echo egret
I have a Funhouse Lens that's high on my sims
solid sun
AFAIK the best two trinkets you can get outside of raid are myth track pacemaker and tome
With Mud being the defensive alternative if you can’t get a hero track bombsuit
solid sun
Idk what that means
echo egret
That my Funhouse Lens (where's that from ?) at max hero track beats other myth track trinkets
solid sun
What kind of sim are you doing
echo egret
I thought that was the general consensus on how to sim for M+
solid sun
Sure
It’s the best we can do since there isn’t a legit m+ sim
Could also do 1 minute instead of 1.5 minute
But I’ve never seen anyone here recommend funhouse lens over some combo of pacemaker/house of cards/tome/ bombsuit/mud
echo egret
... and yet "sim yourself" is the usual motto 🙂
solid sun
And the sim shows a pacemaker
Which was my recommendation :)
It could be that tome holds extra value for single target damage which isn’t necessarily reflected in an aoe sim
Could also be that HoC outperforms lens in aoe so it never gets added to the list of recommendations. Iirc lens is a delve trinket which means it caps out at hero track?
echo egret
Aye it is
pallid quiver
I thought that was the general consensus on how to sim for M+
Only doing 1.5min sims also skews you towards trinkets that have big burst windows in that section, and it also ignores the like half the dungeon that's all ST (Bosses)
So, even for DPS specs, simming for M+ ultimately involves some form of feelycraft since the encounters/instances aren't scripted and pre-set the way raids are.
mighty valley
yeah, if i super care, i do some mix of 5 target, 8 target, 1.5 mins and 2 mins, and also take ST into account
and just make a call that's probably pretty arbitrary
pallid quiver
The only way to get a real sim for your M+ would be to already have an idea about how your route is going to go, how long things will take, and account for all of those factors.
you can also just gear for max ST, as well, since bosses are the one thing you can't really gameplay around to go faster
while trash throughout the dungeon you could pull more mobs together to suddenly make whatever you have just do more damage and effectively go faster
quiet gazelle
Hi all! I'm dabbling in prot warrior for funsies atm, don't know how serious I'll take it, but figured I'll give it a shot. I got my 3 puzzling chips and I'm wondering what to get - I'm primarily going to be in M+ and not raid, so I'm leaning towards the Chromebustible Bomb Suit because I won't be raiding and the Mud/Pacemaker is farmable, but the Mud looks pretty comparable to it and the CDR looks interesting? Given the fact that I'm SEVERELY undergeared (fresh 80, 612 ilvl with no tier), what do y'all think I should pick up first as a starter piece?
mighty valley
Hi all! I'm *dabbling* in prot warrior for funsies atm, don't know how serious I...
If you're not pushing super high, you don't really need a defensive trinket... heroic house of cards is a pretty good all-round damage option, it does feel silly picking any of the dungeon trinkets since you can farm them in theory
quiet gazelle
If you're not pushing super high, you don't really need a defensive trinket... h...
Agreed that it would be goofy, and I'm only trying to get to 10s at best, I might go further if I get really hooked on it but I'm just trying to casually do my best for now. I thought prot doesn't want mastery, though? Is it only okay in this situation?
mighty valley
Agreed that it would be goofy, and I'm only trying to get to 10s at best, I migh...
We don't try to gear for mastery generally but trinkets like HoC just give such a huge amount of it that it's still a huge dps boost
Especially since our mastery is generally low on our gear
There's no stat that's horrible for us anyway
quiet gazelle
True, and I'm sure it's better than this random green PVP trinket 😛
mighty valley
yeah, with dinars it really depends if you're more interested in getting close to perfect by the end of the season
or just want a big upgrade now
and if you're only going for 10s, really can't go wrong with just a decent heroic stat button
quiet gazelle
Just need a little boost for now, I'm playing alts while I'm recovering from surgery so I'm exploring other options and trying to give myself the best experience in case I end up really liking something else in this downtime =]
Got the HoC, thanks for your input!!
warm plinth
Everyone can do that, but not everyone has an apl optimized for it
echo egret
You know the REAL enemies in horrific visions ? Terrain and camera.
solid sun
The running around screaming thing in visions
Is that from not jumping to get rid of bugs
frosty mango
I feel that that is not true but if it were I would not be surprised, lol
mighty valley
I haven’t seen any evidence of that but if you’ve got some it would be good to share here
jagged gust
logs don't seem to support that
warm plinth
Is that from not jumping to get rid of bugs
Yes. If you sit on 5 stacks for a few seconds, you get a debuff that makes you run for like 3 or 4 seconds
solid sun
Figured that was it
Everything going swell now until the pack before rexxar/rexxar
Once I get that little section down I get to try out 8 mask thrall
warm plinth
Pro tip: pull pack before Rexxar down a little and stand uphill from the large dude
Headbutt will barely move you. Also, focus the swarmleader; he's the actual danger.
He gives all the small guys a big haste buff, which makes the stun poison stack much faster.
jagged gust
you can skip like 3/4 of rexxar's wing
warm plinth
(You can also spell reflect headbutt, which is big funnies)
sharp gale
Everything going swell now until the pack before rexxar/rexxar
That’s why I start by going rexxar
Or you can skip the pack
With leap
warm plinth
I do Drag>Honor>Wisdom>Spirits. Once you clear honor, it's over
Just a matter of time after that
sharp gale
Yep I prefer to have the fail moment quick rather near the end
warm plinth
The first time I got to Rexxar (died mostly to either stuns in Honor or being impatient on last boss of Drag), I cleared it. Rexxar himself was pretty chill; I just slow rolled him til first two adds were dead, then bursted
jagged gust
its the boar knockback into disorient into shadow trap for an instant -800 sanity on that fight
warm plinth
I would recommend not standing anywhere near a trap. I fight him where he stands. Then move across to the other half after 2nd add dies so they charge over there + I can see stampede better to dodge
Could also try the funny haha strat where you pull him out of the building then immediately demolish on reset before his health catches up to the mask scaling
I haven't tested to see if it works yet this time around but I have the feeling that it does.
jagged gust
the only thing actually killing me is my overconfidence
"I know there's 5 mobs in this pack that can stun me and gammon spawns in 4 kills, but I got it this time"
warm plinth
Yeah, it was tough to get used to with multitudes; so many scarabs
The stun comes so fast
warm plinth
It's at the top of the screen
jagged gust
dbm made a visions addon, and there's also some handynotes plugin
solid sun
Gotcha
Ill try focusing the swarmleader when i get back home
I was doing the other side first because I check to see if the blacksmith dude is up
But I guess I could just do that and then go over to the other side anyways
warm plinth
Well, you can still take the time to clear there if you want. Might as well get good use out of the first gamon
echo egret
Rexxar would be piss easy without a ceiling to block your camera
nocturne spindle
Honestly for the rexxar packs
I just waited for demolish to be up and hit it as soon you charge in
Fuck the stupid poison stun
idle copper
Any tips for soaking pylons on Mythic Rik, i can do 2 but die when having to do 3
patent scroll
🤔 is this some currently progressing guild thing where they think pylons are a tank mechanic
sick sentinel
Anyone got good video guides for prot in m+? I’m a returning player and wanna try my hand at tanking again
patent scroll
pallid quiver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ut5NfxCJDo
this guy
video guide
it's just a text document
go to wowhead or icyveins at that point
warm plinth
Calling Yoda the goat prot warrior is crazy
cerulean tusk
Meh, his mistakes and disinterest for prot aside, I am sure he is able to craft a decent enough guide
The goat tho, is a bit much
solid sun
I find it offensive
I’ll have you know I’m almost done with 8 mask runs
I’m clearly goat status
cerulean tusk
goat it is
warm plinth
I’ll have you know I’m almost done with 8 mask runs
I believe in you
solid sun
Thank you goat
warm plinth
Can watch my 8 mask on YouTube if you need motivation
warm plinth
Yes I’ve been waiting for a video guide from a true goat
I'm less of a goat than yoda
chilly brook
Is it my time to reprise my video guide ways?
warm plinth
I didn't know you ever had video guides
I made a guide for how to do the Mechagon Workshop gauntlet back in SL. Some folks could still use it
pallid quiver
it me, i could still uthe it
jagged gust
I watched sense do it and realized how much easier it is to jump the box from the south and not the west
warm plinth
what box
chilly brook
I didn't know you ever had video guides
it's been a hot minute
this gem
and by gem I mean cringe
warm plinth
just a shreddertank boi doing shreddertank things
@chilly brook i did an 11 like a big kid
warm plinth
and by gem I mean cringe
I'm sorry I had to turn it off after you said you weren't saying protection warrior is the best tank out there
I didn't know you were such a liar
chilly brook
<@133532617940140032> i did an 11 like a big kid
knotty mantle
why do we prefer crit when vers seems like it'd be a much more consistent stat for mitigation?
pallid quiver
it does more damage, and vers isn't actually that good for mitigation
Crit is also technically consistent over time
You have 25% parry, you parry 25% of attacks that can be parried over time
Vers takes a lot of rating to increase the actual value of that stat, and the defensive value of it is even half of what the offensive benefit is
On top of that, vers isn't the only way to protect yourself from things like dots/bleeds/etc outside of a vacuum; you're still getting hit by melees and other things that reinforce the threat from said dot
Overall, in realistic use cases for tanks, all of the secondaries for Prot War are close enough that as long as you have stats at all, you're good; the large majority of your defensive strength comes from play, anyhow, so most gearing decisions are made with maximizing dps from there
idle copper
🤔 is this some currently progressing guild thing where they think pylons are a ...
You guys just have you r DPS do them ?
idle copper
The only people who kinda don't are healers, they're there to fill
Cool I'll suggest it
jagged pier
they are
because it does massive dmaage when u click them the none active tank just presses it when its sucking/about to suck
not hard at all
patent scroll
And .1% cheeky mw
patent scroll
well theres a whole tactic for just having a 3rd tank do it
How does a tank solo the pylons 
Doesn't the damage amp stack to infinity?
sharp gale
How does a tank solo the pylons <a:huh:1072539415261499412>
Doesn't the damage ...
yes, so a tank do the pylons
solo
it can go up to a lot of stacks
i got saved bc i was bdk, i said i couldn't do pylons
the only time ppl suck pylons in my guild is when they disable the shield with the 2 spread circle, they click for 4 stacks
idle copper
I'm finding I'm going from tanking to the other side of the map to having to soak pylons then having to get back to the other side of the map to take over tanking with no Def's? Seems awkward?
jagged pier
because your supposed to have 3 tanks for the strat not 2
sharp gale
yes on my screen kaelres is the 3rd tank / one of our druid go bear just for rik
sharp merlin
Am I right in thinking most of the time im just mashing SS and Revenge inbetween keeping IP and SB up? I feel like that’s all I’m hitting most of the time in M+
warm plinth
That's a lot of it yes
sharp merlin
I sometimes play Thunderlord too
And When VO is triggered so I always use it on SS?
warm plinth
As colossus, yes
sharp merlin
How come whenever I get VO triggered my SS is on CD for 3 seconds?
warm plinth
It happens. You can use outburst on tc if you can't avoid it but should use on ss whenever possible. It's OK to send a global or two on revenge to fish for a reset but after that you should just use the outburst
sharp merlin
That’s what I do, just Revenge till it resets
But then there’s an oopsie moment when you keep revenging till you’re out of Rage and suddenly you SB drops off and you don’t have enough to get it back up lol
Is there a reason why not TC? (Sorry I am new)
heavy sparrow
opaque ibex
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1JLyS4KJSoKSACViLqB4wu Why is the tome so low in my sim?
wait whay it shows only 350k
whata
still tome lil to no damage
earnest cove
still tome lil to no damage
You used the APL in Pins?
earnest cove
Probably used wrong
round cliff
bangg
blazing condor
pond champ
chilly brook
So over DPS thinking they're the main characters in keys
blazing condor
well theres 3 of them
chilly brook
Dude asks for route
blazing condor
wow players have huge egos
chilly brook
I link route
he says nothing
we have 4 deaths in a 17, timer isn't looking good so I say "probably too tight to time it"
so I hearth (14m with gorechop, caster boss and last boss left)
he instantly goes "shit tank" and complains that I did 2 mini bosses when he's an unholy dk, even though he could have just said something when he saw the route that had them
assuming each boss took 3:30 to kill that's like only 3.5m left to do all trash and all the travel time in that place
lime urchin
Play for fun, not for numbers!
patent scroll
assuming each boss took 3:30 to kill that's like only 3.5m left to do all trash ...
That's the perfect dungeon to go try stupid pulls
chilly brook
that's the problem pushing the number which is just a numerical representation of difficulty is fun
blazing condor
kill me
big number make feel good. Low number make feel bad because other people have big number
fresh juniper
he instantly goes "shit tank" and complains that I did 2 mini bosses when he's a...
Would've done 3 out of spite
heavy sparrow
which one is bis again?
jagged pier
The greater void ritual
heavy sparrow
ty jakey
toxic gyro
he instantly goes "shit tank" and complains that I did 2 mini bosses when he's a...
Do yourself a solid and slowly build a group to play with. Way more fun and no toxicity. Also easier when ure in disc to coordinate ccs, etc.
slender bison
A special thanks to this guy who boosted so many prot warrs confidence this season with the cluck-cluck noises on shield block
brave sapphire
At Buzzbee. When his adds are already spawned but not moving yet. Can i build threat? It feels 50/50 sometimes. Heoric throw always works, but things like thunderclap seems worthless sometimes.
frosty mango
At Buzzbee. When his adds are already spawned but not moving yet. Can i build th...
No
They won’t engage until they move
But if you do the fight properly you’ll only get one add
azure mural
uhm does anyone know good stat % for prot c:?
(also is mastery goood for dps? or is it more of survival thing?)
frosty mango
uhm does anyone know good stat % for prot c:?
Any % is good % because all secondaries are good secondaries
Get enough haste to keep up shield block with in the fray talented (16-21k depending on your personal comfort level)
After that just sim all upgrades
round pendant
But if you do the fight properly you’ll only get one add
I've never not gotten 3??
frosty mango
I've never not gotten 3??
First set you get three, one bee takes out two barrels, second bee takes out the last. As the next barrels are about to spawn someone gets on the last bee and sends it towards the swirls. It hits them as they spawn and blows them up, then when the boss calls bees only one comes
Then you take that one bee and do the same for each set
Sometimes you can hit all 3 and you think you’re lucky but you gotta only hit two or then you get three on the next round
That was a big brain sentence
frosty mango
TLDR throw the bee at the barrels as they are spawning and if you blow them up fast enough no bees
round pendant
Oh
frosty mango
I usually do it as the healer and if I have an arcane (or by some miracle a feral) I won’t blow them up
slender bison
It's not like anyone stalls last ML pummeler boss bomb to refresh buff
This is sweaty minmax
brave sapphire
But if you do the fight properly you’ll only get one add
Tell that to my random teammates. 3 adds minimum all the time. 😄
round pendant
does that compensate for having shadow priests in your group
cerulean tusk
On that boss? For sure
round pendant
for the whole dungeon
cerulean tusk
we dont talk about those things
round pendant
lmao
rugged spindle
Any good WA's for ignore pain?
strong fox
Hi all! QQ: Are we holding Demolish until we have 10 stacks of Might? I have been just sending at start of pack while in Avatar and Demo Shout, but seems like there are some sicko benefits to holding. It also seems like this might only be a start of combat problem, since you will always generally have a few stacks rolling by the time it comes off CD net
*Next
mighty valley
I send it with however many stacks I have when I’m done gathering and my feet are planted, then if you’re doing the rotation right you should hit 10 stacks by the time it’s back
strong fox
Thank you for confirming! I kind of figured, since intentionally holding that kind of ability seems like inting a bit, but wanted confirmation!
vocal cave
is immovable object worth more dps than 1 point in thunderous roar?
round pendant
nocturne spindle
warm plinth
is immovable object worth more dps than 1 point in thunderous roar?
You can sim to find out. But you should have both anyway
warm plinth
Any good WA's for ignore pain?
You can just make a template if you really want one, but there's not really a reason to track it. It wouldn't be useful information.
rugged spindle
You can just make a template if you really want one, but there's not really a re...
I remember having one in DF that tracked the value on it, only use i got from it was when it was topped off so to speak, spend rage on other things and dont overcap it. But maybe doesnt work like that anymore
warm plinth
Even back then you wouldn't care if it was capped. You just don't want to overcap rage.
sinful copper
Oh nvm I get what u said
lofty wren
Questio why aren't we taking Battle Scared Veteran? Or we do and in which situations?
pallid quiver
You do when it's useful; essentially, if there's a reasonable chance of you dying/getting low/mistake being made means key wipe, it can be a worthwhile pickup
You'd generally drop Battering Ram for it, though there's an argument for Ravager, as well
The bigger issue is that for the largest majority of the playerbase, it'd do almost literally nothing
The content isn't dangerous enough if you're pressing almost any buttons at all, and if you're not pressing any buttons at all and it procs, you'll probably just die after it wears off
since that means even your healer is asleep at the wheel
lofty wren
Got it thanks
pallid quiver
i should also elaborate i mean the content the majority is doing; things like LFR-Heroic Raid and keys 8 and below, those are what I mean
slender bison
Questio why aren't we taking Battle Scared Veteran? Or we do and in which situat...
I was running a 16 and a monk put the ring of peace inside the stack of mobs. This threw 2 mobs behind my 180 block arc. I almost got deleted without BsV
solar forum
Trinket question: using a Pacemaker and Funhouse Lens both at 671. I’ll have access to myth track trinkets on Tuesday from dinar dude. Should I upgrade Pacemaker or get Tome? Or any other ideas? M+ only and not really trying to push past 3k rating. Just blastin.
ionic fern
Purely for m+, Pacemaker.
echo egret
8 masks finally... but why did I receive only 3 gilded crests ?
warm plinth
8 masks finally... but why did I receive only 3 gilded crests ?
Not sure. The wowhead reward chart is definitely not correct as you're supposed to get 3 gilded and 5 runed for 5 mask repeats but I only get the 3 gilded.
Bugged maybe?
echo egret
Given the current difficulty at 8 masks, 3 or even 5 crests is incredibly low
warm plinth
I mean, just do 5 mask and get 3 🤷♂️
Not time efficient but free spammable gilded crests is nice
I'd definitely do a bug report though because it's definitely not giving what it should
warm plinth
I tried the rexxar scaling cheese @lusty grotto they fixed it
sharp merlin
I have a few small noob questions.. I normally Shield Charge into a pack, do I save it only after for when SB falls off?
Also, on Priory, Burnpike and the first boss truck me, it’s the only fights I feel a bit out of control, any tips for the first boss? I have Tome / Bombsuit / Pacemaker
I don’t have the Mud trinket yet
jagged gust
Generally I save SC for when all the packs are gathered, no point in wasting dps
First boss is rough, even in a 12 I was rotating defensive a like a madman
SR the aoe and hope your healer is good enough to keep you up
solemn current
You can use spell block for the AoE and a couple judgments early in the fight as well and still have it back up for church pull. Best thing to do is to get shield wall on CD early (never let it get to 2 charges) and try to use demolish/demo shout and even use avatar defensively. When you don’t have those up shield wall if close to 2 charges or bomb suit to get it on CD. Ask for external from healer or pally if needed. Spell reflect when up anytime you’re taking a judgement or the AoE is happening.
frosty mango
Also, on Priory, Burnpike and the first boss truck me, it’s the only fights I fe...
Hold on
Here you go @sharp merlin
Check the message I quoted
For big momma the cadence is the same but you can also use spellblock
For Braunpike you rotate wall/ava/spellblock but at a certain key level you’re spamming ignore pain and praying your healer good
Around 16/17 or so imo
Finally broke 3m overall in floodgate
I dunno why that was such a struggle
pallid quiver
I have a few small noob questions.. I normally Shield Charge into a pack, do I s...
It sounds like you might not know due to your phrasing, but Shield Block applications stack
so if you use shield charge while you have SB, you'll get +8 seconds added on
pallid quiver
so hear me out
there's a fun fighting game called Under Night In-Birth that's on sale right now
round pendant
I'm good lol
I don't really feel like fighting games
waiting for tekken to get unfucked and for armor king to release
pallid quiver
"waiting for tekken to get unfucked"
That's a bad wait to do, based on T7's patch history
round pendant
That's a bad wait to do, based on T7's patch history
don't remind me
s1 t8 was pretty good tho, they just needed a few tweaks and were even hinting that they were going in that direction
and then they FUCKED IT
solid sun
This looks like some kind of sequel fighting game to melty blood
round cliff
whats the reward for 8masking both visions
round cliff
and then they FUCKED IT
as a s1 jack player im so sad that i dropped the game before s2
i wanted to do some war crimes
round pendant
yeah you had like 2 weeks or something to commit true atrocities
warm plinth
whats the reward for 8masking both visions
Title "The Mad" for solo both
round pendant
We have The Insane at home energy tho
round cliff
i havent even full cleared org yet bro my motivation is 0
need to do it sometime tho
i need to figure out whats constantly getting me stunned in the valley of wisdom
warm plinth
I did it at 655 ilevel. I had to after watching someone do it on a warlock at 640
round cliff
other than caster channels
warm plinth
Gamon?
warm plinth
Only other thing that stuns besides touch in that area
Tendies knock up/ slow but don't stun
round cliff
i prob dont need to pull big ridiculous pulls like i had to in stormwind
solid sun
Everything just happens all at the same time
warm plinth
It took me 30 min to do my 8 mask. It's definitely not a race.
solid sun
Last time I went to rexxar's area somehow like every single bug in the entire AH zone went after me at once
I haven't died that fast in idk how long
warm plinth
With multitudes it's really dumb in that area.
Most packs are so close together you're more likely to butt pull than not even being careful
round cliff
id judge u for ur UI before anything else
warm plinth
I'm always down to watch a discord vision stream
round cliff
ill do a discord vision stream whenever
round cliff
get in gen
warm plinth
Be right there. Grabbing a drink in lieu of popcorn
jagged gust
i need to figure out whats constantly getting me stunned in the valley of wisdom
It's probably the warriors? can't remember their names, they can use bladestorm and shockwave
Dominators also lock you down, little shits
Least they die in like 2 gcds
pallid quiver
This looks like some kind of sequel fighting game to melty blood
It's made by French Bread, the same people who make Melty Blood.
the actual sequel to melty blood is melty blood type lumina
But Uni was given the right to use definitely-not-Sion as a character in Uni, hence Eltnum's existence
chilly brook
It took me 30 min to do my 8 mask. It's definitely not a race.
Do you even get anything for 8 masks?
solid sun
Mount. And if you do both a title I believe
chilly brook
It's made by French Bread, the same people who make Melty Blood.
the actual seq...
French bread you say? I’m making French dip sandwiches
warm plinth
You're supposed to get more crests, but it seems to be bugged
chilly brook
you must be a villain
No but I make a mean sammich
frail talon
It's MT still a hate crit or do they value other stats at all?
dense cradle
MT, I sleep
haughty atlas
Has anyone noticed the macros and WAs in the prot f&q are inaccessible?
warm plinth
Seems fine to me?
haughty atlas
sharp gale
i need to figure out whats constantly getting me stunned in the valley of wisdom
There is maybe an affix + some casters channels a stun after their first bolt
The dominators if I remember
Before the bridge to go to the pink swirlies miniboss there is a pack with 1 caster on the right, he channels a stun
warm plinth
I found a new (better) cheese spot for the voidcrazed hulk though so that's cool!
If you stand on this basket, he will not throw you, and his leap can't hit you
Literally can just stand there, might have to use berserker shout if the madness triggers but that's about it
berserker rage*
coarse latch
Will we have another shot at org in 2 weeks?
warm plinth
Yeah, it'll just rotate between the two until end of season
well, honestly probably until forever
Since I assume they will just leave it there
coarse latch
What add-ons are you using? Does that tell you like what potions are good and bad?
warm plinth
I use two different WAs
One of them is enough for most people but the other one that I have doesn't have the color names on the buttons
This one has a chest counter, potion tracker, potion buff tracker, orb counter, and sanity tracker including a time til you're out of sanity
coarse latch
Oh I see cool!
warm plinth
The only thing i use from the other one (that you can see in the screenshot above) is the potion tracker, because it has the name of the color on the button to make it easier for me.
But that one tracks the potion buffs as well
coarse latch
Is there anything to track when the multiple things that surround you pop up and stun you?
I find myself getting hit by that all the time and it's very obnoxious
warm plinth
Uh...idk. The screen changes colors though o_O
coarse latch
Ohh I didn't even notice that
I have found myself very bad at this lmao
I have 3 masks because I only started this week. Long night, devil, and the one that puts stuff behind you
solid sun
Uh...idk. The screen changes colors though o_O
Ace the rexxar area only to go to the other side and play like an entire nincompoop
sharp gale
Btw if you want to do 5 masks on alts for the gear when you have all 8, remove long night, daredevil and multitude
That’s what I did on my monk and my pal, they were AH geared so around 600-610 ilvl
round cliff
If you stand on this basket, he will not throw you, and his leap can't hit you
basket strats huge
warm plinth
Can also leave multitude and turn off vengeance if you want/need more sanity generation via nemesis
hollow bolt
Weird question for m gallywix, is there a way to not have him run 80 feet when he uses his badder blast? or just a bit of rng?
warm plinth
basket strats huge
First guy of Drag, you can stand under him and not have to move
round cliff
First guy of Drag, you can stand under him and not have to move
aren't you gonna get orbed
warm plinth
Not if you're exactly in the middle; he puts it enough in front of him to not hit you
prime sphinx
Weird question for m gallywix, is there a way to not have him run 80 feet when h...
taunt right after cast finishes if u taunt mid cast he runs off randomly
hollow bolt
ty!
sharp gale
Can also leave multitude and turn off vengeance if you want/need more sanity gen...
Don’t put multitude, sanity is a joke + you lose more sanity by spending extra time killing those nasty packs with an alt, remove it, you’ll see 90% of trashs disappear
There are maybe 10 mobs total to kill in rexxar area, 2 giving you 150 sanity
- not every alts is a tank
And for the gear, it’s like in bfa with corrupted gear, you loot 1 per week and if you redo you get -1 mask loot until no loot
warm plinth
Don’t put multitude, sanity is a joke + you lose more sanity by spending extra t...
I'm just saying there's an alternative if you struggle more for sanity than survival. Some people really suck at mechanics.
Idk where the gear thing came from though?
Like what you were commenting on for that I mean
sharp gale
From the start : I told which masks I suggest to do 5masks visions with alts… you do visions for loot, so I provide context on what loot is given by vision
And if you struggle more for sanity, I wouldn’t suggest adding 10x more trashs to remove which other mask ?
next pasture
love dying to what i believe to be the healer sucking, start to wonder if i'm the problem, see the healer is healing himself more than me in the overall dungeon, look at logs at same key level, and see other prot warriors get over 2x the hps io got from the same class of healer
cannot believe this shit happens in 18s, i am literally hardstuck
round cliff
cannot believe this shit happens in 18s, i am literally hardstuck
pugging 18s is a special kind of insane
next pasture
some should not be as difficult as they are for me, ML should be nothing, ToP should be nothing
but in theater, i'm not joking, everyone dies on gorechop to the leaps. on ML, all the healer has to do is see when i don't have spell block, and realize i need more healing than usual. (A SINGLE BOSS!)
dungeons like rookery, where there are 42069 casts a minute, yeah, that can be cringe
sharp merlin
@pallid quiver so it’s okay to press SB whilst SB has time left?
sharp merlin
Here you go <@272810385038508032>
Ty ❤️
frosty mango
love dying to what i believe to be the healer sucking, start to wonder if i'm th...
Welcome to warrior
Where you are reliant on the healer
At least you’re not a blood dk
There really aren’t a lot of prot warriors as you climb
I tell every healer at the start of the key where I’m going to need attention because honestly most keys are vdh and healers are used to never healing the tank
warm plinth
From the start : I told which masks I suggest to do 5masks visions with alts… yo...
Who was talking about loot? I didn't say anything about loot or doing them for loot. And I said which mask to replace. You gain mobs for nemesis, you lose the bolstering effect so it's not harder to kill things. It's just an option.
pallid quiver
<@111288222750924800> so it’s okay to press SB whilst SB has time left?
Yep, it'll add on. There's a cap, but you won't meaningfully reach it in standard gameplay (You can have 3x base duration Shield Block active, so if you blow 2 charges of SB back to back and also Shield Charge... you'd technically not reach it just due to the time it takes to hit all three buttons, even though their durations would add to the cap.)
pallid quiver
love dying to what i believe to be the healer sucking, start to wonder if i'm th...
Depends on what specifically you're dying to; sometimes it's the healer's fault, sometimes it's yours, usually it's a combo of both. Sometimes they're not used to where they need to give attention to Warrior, since where we struggle is different than other tanks. DKs generally don't have as bad a time with dots since their main mit is self-healing that scales with damage taken (to the point where solo-tanking raid encounters with BDK was a valid strategy before they changed Death Strike mechs), for example, so Warrior needs more assistance there. You generally don't need as much assistance at the very start of a pull as some other tanks do, however, due to SB, so there's less damage coming in. The biggest issue is that Prot Warrior is on the exact opposite spectrum of two of the more popular tanks overall (VDH due to being meta a lot and BDK is just traditionally a favored tank by a lot of players), so people don't get used to how it works and where it struggles.
slender bison
Honesty as a disc main I can smell from a mile away which priests this season are FOTM and which are old disc players.
Some discs suck if you take away their VDH, since they are not familiar with the new damage intake profile of the prot warr
In Rook 16 last boss I had leap + SW CD off and the guy didn't heal because he thought I was gonna heal myself and was just smiting
slender bison
Not for spot healing
chilly brook
also you should basically never need healing on that boss
tank hit is avoidable
and blockable with spell block if you truly can't
you can just top yourself from leech and IV
healer healed me for 12m total on that boss in a 17
next pasture
Depends on what specifically you're dying to; sometimes it's the healer's fault,...
yeah, doing 18s i can count on one hand the places i actually need healer help. 3rd boss of ML. first boss of priory. reanimated braunpyke, 1st pull of cinder. and 2nd boss of ML if i get like 9 stacks of bleed
mud + bombsuit trivializes big momma, or i'd also say that
slender bison
Exactly, but I had CDs due to bad positioning when chaining the boss with CDs off from previous void rock fight
Someone was too close and had to pull
slender bison
Damn, I should get Mud trinket at least
sharp merlin
Yep, it'll add on. There's a cap, but you won't meaningfully reach it in standar...
Strange, so how can SB be on cd? And I have no SC? Is that possible?
chilly brook
max melee range and strafe ez game
slender bison
This week is 3rd coin, so prob need to decide between Myth Mud or Tome
chilly brook
pretty big waste, heroic mud is fine enough, tome seems pretty useless in higher keys
slender bison
Don't even have heroic Mud
chilly brook
it's farmable 🙂
slender bison
yeah, doing 18s i can count on one hand the places i actually need healer help. ...
You're running bomb + mud now?
chilly brook
I would definitely not recommend running double tank trinket
sinful copper
@chilly brook in rookery 17, do u think doing triple right pull as 2nd pull is feasible in pug?
With lust
sinful copper
Ah I see. Do u do para skip?
I think 17s is when the skips and unique pulls are required right? Like bubbles skip, double hop skip, any triples with lust, etc
chilly brook
Ah I see. Do u do para skip?
ye para skip
sinful copper
Do u do thunderer and big bird in first pull on left then?
slender bison
I find easier to get 3 more sleepy void mobs in the big hall. Less risky that the big bird pull at start
Unless it's resi key
chilly brook
there's not much risk
don't eat balls
and don't stand in circles
casters melt
and you have aoe interrupt
earnest cove
In my experience the struggle was getting the caster in with pugs…
slender bison
Yeah, need DK or you need to disrupt them at the right time with boss casters
earnest cove
Had the one standing literally on multiple stand there and burn the grp down, no one cared
slender bison
Had the one standing literally on multiple stand there and burn the grp down, no...
We playing the same group
chilly brook
Yeah, need DK or you need to disrupt them at the right time with boss casters
you just need someone with a ranged interrupt to understand they need to interrupt it
earnest cove
IF the Dk notices that. Yeah… ppl are just Zug Zug often
chilly brook
it's really not rocket science
earnest cove
it's really not rocket science
It is not, but for pugs it is
chilly brook
mark the mobs before key starts, and assign it to someone
make sure they get the message and acknowledge it
if they can't bother giving you an affirmitive response just replace
that being said the more people talk before a key starts the more it seems to go wrong
earnest cove
True story
slender bison
Yeah, noticed chatty ToP people die to 1st boss frontal or failing to soothe rhino
chilly brook
anyone who starts a game of 20 questions before the key starts is like a red flag
earnest cove
Had lots of fun with the miniboss before 2nd boss in ML17 while nobody cared to remove enraged 🙂
slender bison
There's a new ToP tech - after first boss dies, challenge to pet battle and forfeit when the floor starts to open. Forfeit and skip chocking RP
Need to try this
wispy moth
Hey guys, what does those % means for m+ ?
In damage done tab, I think it's like on raid boss your parse for dps, so it means for this key (floodgate 12) i'm only in mid tier ?
sinful copper
That's why I prefer hall mobs, zero risk
I also think like that too. I'd rather the first pull work but most times it doesnt
sinful copper
There's a new ToP tech - after first boss dies, challenge to pet battle and forf...
To save a total of 2 seconds? Lol
wispy moth
To save a total of 2 seconds? Lol
More than that
But I think it's a lot to do for these saves. If you're not doing 20+ it doesnt really matters
specially if you're doing in pug
chilly brook
Hey guys, what does those % means for m+ ?
In damage done tab, I think it's lik...
at that key level yes
1.7m overall is fairly low in a 12
next pasture
You're running bomb + mud now?
i only run mud in priory and flood, and even then, if you trust your healer, not needed in flood
chilly brook
if you mouse over it it shows you
wispy moth
if you mouse over it it shows you
Ok thx ! Didnt thought about mouseovering
So I need to improve this
wispy moth
And, how you handled first boss on priory ? Even in 12, at 664 ilvl without def trinkets, I've got difficulties to handle the dot without spaming IP and playing only in defensive gameplay
wispy moth
you're also like 20ilvl behind
Sure, so it matters in this parse ?
chilly brook
keys aren't separated by ilvl
chilly brook
looking at a damage parse in a key is only helpful to see how much damage you did
doesn't mean you're playing bad if you have a lower parse nor does it mean you played well if you have a high one
chilly brook
And, how you handled first boss on priory ? Even in 12, at 664 ilvl without def ...
press your defensives for each pierce armor not a whole lot else to do
jagged pier
☝️
earnest cove
Healer needs to dispel asap. Rotate Defs incl avatar
ionic fern
Be in dstance and drop rage into IP if needed.
wispy moth
Be in dstance and drop rage into IP if needed.
I never swap to bstance in dung, maybe I should when doing a little pack
next pasture
divine judgement
wispy moth
dispel is the damage amp
Ok, I'll take a look if he dispelled me
warm plinth
I never swap either. Just doesnt seem worth in keys for a measly ~3% damage
pallid quiver
I never swap either. Just doesnt seem worth in keys for a measly ~3% damage
not even 3%, for the record
3% crit
that being said, if it's a 10 or lower in pretty much any season at any point, you're taking that 3% crit from my cold, dead hands
woeful trellis
Can anyone explain? We didnt timed it, cause of stupid deaths from hunter and heal, they didnt know what a def cds is.. or what proactive mean.
But why does a rogue does less Dmg than a tank, last boss cinder 🧐
pallid quiver
still higher than a dps player i ran into earlier
pallid quiver
it was an unholy dk
i'd show the whole chart and bars to compare, but his was so low it'd show his name
So all things considered, I'd say that Rogue was doing just fine
wispy moth
it was an unholy dk
i'd show the whole chart and bars to compare, but his was s...
He forgot his pet
Already ran with an demo lock, his pet dismissed by himself and didnt sum it back
pallid quiver
He forgot his pet
i've got bad news
the only damage he really dealt was pet damage and autos
wispy moth
Can anyone explain? We didnt timed it, cause of stupid deaths from hunter and he...
And maybe outlaw are pretty low in ST? How did he performed in th ewhole key ?
pallid quiver
along with random button presses
wispy moth
the only damage he really dealt was pet damage and autos
AH !
wispy moth
Well so, just odnt know how to play spec. Like me when I switched arms xD
wispy moth
They do big dam
Even in ST ?
Didnt play much with rogues other than sub in this season
jagged pier
Well so, just odnt know how to play spec. Like me when I switched arms xD
huh? arms is easy
if MS up? yes press it
chilly brook
Despite being hard target capped, every outlaw rogue I’ve ran with tops the meters. Had a couple at 5m overall
jagged pier
no? press overpower
chilly brook
Even in ST ?
Didnt play much with rogues other than sub in this season
Their aoe is just their single target so yeah
chilly brook
huh? arms is easy
Me orange parsing every single wipe only to die to a healer not pressing buttons or someone else messing up a mechanic on the kill pull so I only get a green parse
jagged pier
i just dont pass cause i do all the tank mechanics nowa days
I did everyone on mug'zee
wispy moth
if MS up? yes press it
Yes, but swaped it, without any UI made, any binds etc just flow it up, i did damage. I was above the tank gladly xD
warm plinth
Hi Jakey qt
wispy moth
Their aoe is just their single target so yeah
Ok like DF then
woeful trellis
He was performing well, but what does he mean with ks? He was close to 2 m at other Bosses.
chilly brook
I just want Mug’zee dead on my warrior
At least we should kill Gally this week on my Evoker
warm plinth
He was performing well, but what does he mean with ks? He was close to 2 m at ot...
Killing spree makes you move for like 2 seconds. But idk why he wouldn't be able to use it. There's a lot of free time to do so on that fight
warm plinth
Right
jagged pier
so bad rogue
chilly brook
Killing spree super cool but they just need to rework it lol
Or give it immunity like the old blade dance for DH
woeful trellis
Yeah ofc, they played Like shit Overall 😅 but I was Like wtf 1 Mil…
chilly brook
Outlaw is something I’m trying to pick up but it’s pretty wild
wispy moth
Or give it immunity like the old blade dance for DH
That was sick, dodging big cone in tol dagor with blade dance
sick moves
chilly brook
It’s not super complex tbh, but it’s fast and lots of different “if this then” things that you’re doing in that 1s GCD
woeful trellis
Tol dagor was so fun 😂 bugcastle
wispy moth
Tol dagor was so fun 😂 bugcastle
Don't want it back tho
Let us be in peace with good dung for next season x)
chilly brook
@jagged pier do I do something stupid?
jagged pier
no, i cant justify nintendo anymore