protection

[jagged gust]

In aoe

Pretty close in st

[solid sun]

That’s why I said in dungeons

With maybe a couple dungeons being closer, like top

[lofty wren]

Aight got it I have few more basic questions. I need explanation about ignore pain. I do understand that we need to have 100 procent of block uptime but ignore pain you want to do for tank busters or when you are dropping low I guess there is no reason keeping it up as much you can althou you can't do it due to rage anyway

[jagged gust]

If it drops it drops, feels bad when it does but it will happen as colo

Until the higher keys a simple defensive will save you through a buster

On very high keys you may have to make a rotational sacrifice to generate a max IP pool for certain tankbusters

[lofty wren]

But you don't want to keep IP all the time right? I Eman you can but you Wana bllast some dps?

[jagged gust]

It your rage dump

[solid sun]

~70 rage > press IP, uptime doesn’t matter

[lofty wren]

Aaaaa

Got it

[solid sun]

Unless you’re using IP to live something like William mentioned

[lofty wren]

So I really need to track my rage bare properly can't just mash buttons

[jagged gust]

Probably the second most important thing to do as prot aside from keeping SB up yeah

[sterile orbit]

if your running brutal vitality and are like running just 10s your revenge is gonna keep that ip up for a lot of pulls

[lofty wren]

It would be nice if there is a week aura for IP to flash when I am above 70 rage so it is more noticeable 🤔

[jagged gust]

It's actually the 12s duration of IP that's an issue in low keys, sometimes it will simply fall off

[sterile orbit]

ya a lot of the time in 10s i just press ip to refresh the timer

[lofty wren]

Bit IP will get broken by taking enough dmg anyway ?

[jagged gust]

Happily spamming revenge until I notice I have 30 rage and 1 second left on both SB and ip lol

You're refilling your IP with your own damage

It's a talent that's basically leech for shields

[sterile orbit]

if you run brutal vitality and doing low keys 10% of your dmg goes into ip so if you pull like 10 mobs and spam revenge youll most of the time gain ip

[lofty wren]

Uffff so on biger pulls technically you only need to poo IP once every 12s

[jagged gust]

If you were intending to keep it up, technically yes

But that's not the goal

[solid sun]

We don’t care about IP uptime so not really

We do care a lot about living inside revenge world

Or at least us Colossus gamers do

[sterile orbit]

ya you said you find colossus lackluster wanted to know why you feel that way cause i find colossus really fun cause u can keep up with some dps classes

[lofty wren]

Cus i feal like I am constantly out of rage

Not on bigger pulls

[jagged gust]

MT > Colo imo, but Imma do whatever pumps

[lofty wren]

And then I have no rage for IP or SB sometimes

[solid sun]

You’re likely making an oopsie somewhere

Over spending on IP potentially

Not hitting shield slam enough

[lofty wren]

Yesss that is what I need to understand how IP works into the rotation

[jagged gust]

Colo definitely has lower rage gen, and MT had a far easier time generating aoe threat on multipack pulls it's true

[sterile orbit]

ya rage gen can be a bit unlucky if you dont get a lot of free shield slam procs

[jagged gust]

It is a learning curve swapping over

[lofty wren]

My idea is that I go in get SB and continuously keep IP at high procentage on bigger pulls

[jagged gust]

It's go in, get SB up and spend excess rage on IP

Avatar+charge = rage for SB, which means you just walk in and press your aoe CDs

Which means a bunch of rage generation, which leads to IP spam

Spent rage reduces your CDs and the process repeats

[sterile orbit]

a lot of my pulls is go in pop ur offensive cds which triggers wall - shield charge gives you shield block into revengex3 into demolish

[lofty wren]

Got it

Don't we want to stack demolish first?

So it does more dmg when you cast it?

[jagged gust]

As prot only need like 4 stacks for it to be worth

[sterile orbit]

ya but like after the first pull the next i do the same thing and my stacks are up from the previous pull

[jagged gust]

So sent a couple revenged to apply deep wounds on each pack when gathering and you'll naturally have enough stacks

[lofty wren]

And what about thunderclap as Colosus how often we use it just to apply rend?

[rain light]

yup

[jagged gust]

On CD basically

[sterile orbit]

apply rend and rage gen if needed

[jagged gust]

There's a nuance to it, but that'll help you out more than sitting on it

[lofty wren]

And yes but I make big mistake alot of times cus you get the buff for extra dmg on shield slam or clap

So I guess you need to be careful

If you want more ST or AoE right?

[solid sun]

Theres really no need to press it on cd as Col

[jagged gust]

Technically you should press it when not needing to apply rend when below 30 or 40 rage and no SS reset, but when played properly that basically means press it on CD

[solid sun]

Seems like you’d have to have really poor shield slam reset luck to be pressing tclap on cd

[sterile orbit]

once i apply rend i kinda only press it when i need rage other then that i just spam revenge and shield slam

[mighty valley]

tc usage as colossus is the most feelycraft thing, you press it exactly as much as you need to never miss a gcd

[lofty wren]

Ahmm got it

And I guess in order to have nice flow we need alot of haste?

[sterile orbit]

yesssss haste rly good i love haste

[jagged gust]

Pretty much

[mighty valley]

yeah it's hard to overdo haste right now lol

until you're approaching ilvl cap

[lofty wren]

Aight thanks alot

[jagged gust]

Though also pretty much every stat is good for prot rn

We're ridiculously versatile this season

Well, this xpac really

[solid sun]

But not too versatile

Ha ha I made a funny

Yeesh I’m so comedic

[lofty wren]

And what is the impact of 4set

[dense ingot]

I think most people are stopping around 21k haste

[lofty wren]

On gameplay

[sterile orbit]

it doesnt change anything crazy just when it procs you do more dmg and slam lowers shield charge same thing just press slam on cd and revenge youll just do dmg

it feels great when it procs when u use ur cds doe

[mighty valley]

just make sure you're paying attention to Shield Charge because it'll be back real fast sometimes

[nocturne spindle]

it lets you swap to ITF and get even more haste

[jagged gust]

Well, swap earlier, kinda

[limpid forum]

but you would still need 16k haste, no? even if you had 4set?

[mighty valley]

sure

[nocturne spindle]

youd need like

[mighty valley]

but 16k haste aint what it used to be

14k is prob ok

[nocturne spindle]

a shit ton of haste to swap without 4 set

[mighty valley]

if you press buttons good

[nocturne spindle]

idk what it would be

24k?

25k?

probably more

[mighty valley]

people were doing it in s1 at around like... 22k and just accepting that there'd be little gaps sometimes

[limpid forum]

I got like 6k :D\

[nocturne spindle]

?????????????

how

did you actively avoid haste

or are you like 500 ilvl

[limpid forum]

650

[sinful copper]

Lol 6k

[limpid forum]

Not, that's the drops I had 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne spindle]

lmao

that sounds like suffering

[limpid forum]

Not at all, I'm having fun,

[jagged gust]

We're a little kooky over here

When we found out we were losing our 100apm rotation there was a lot of dooming

[limpid forum]

Yeah, the haste shaming is wild 🥀

[round pendant]

this mage in this +10 I was doing (for my friends healer chieve)

just kept pumping the moment any mobs were active

it was so fucking annoying

and he did less dps than me

[sinful copper]

Just let him die then

Lessons will be learned

[frosty mango]

Dps who send early is the exact same as tank who sends late

Same result

Just let them die

You will have a new key in literally 5 seconds

[round pendant]

I was trying to pump and it ruins my plans

[sharp merlin]

Thanks for all the help in here guys! Managed to gear an alt up in a week and just hit 3k before the first reset 😂

I have enjoyed Prot the most out of all the tanks

[limpid forum]

hilarious.
Ive just checked and I got like 7 pieces of gear with haste, unfortunatly my ring and neck isn't one of those pieces, so I think that will improve once I get more rings and necklaces to drop.

[tribal wharf]

minus the capt america shield part cuz paladin, my name, about pwar in wow

i wish shield charge in wow, felt like and had the CD it does in tda

but yes, prot warrior is proably most fun tank of all

[sharp merlin]

It feels like a tank

It took some adjustment to get used to from my BDK cause I’ve been playing that since Legion, and I found VDH, a little boring

[tribal wharf]

i've said it a thousand times before but "hide behind rock" has been an in real life prevailing strategy for 1000's of years

it just feels right to me

[sharp merlin]

But doing high dmg and just soaking up, is super nice.. also is it me or am I not just mashing keys.. the APM feels a bit low? (This is good for me)

When I’m out of rage and don’t have any TC or SS, I’m just auto attacking (this is rare)

[round pendant]

praying for aoe cap changes next season

and reverting the stun =/= kick change

[coarse latch]

i didnt pay attention to horrific visions last week, would you say stormwind is easier? constantly being ccd in org is getting to me 😛

[round pendant]

Yeah stormwind is way better

org is obnoxious

org is legitimately unfun

[coarse latch]

agreed

its like im playing pvp

[near salmon]

agreed too

[round pendant]

rage inducing mobs

[near salmon]

It's as rage inducing as Dawnbreaker from season 1

[jagged gust]

Yeah but this time it's me screwing up the orb mechanics

[near salmon]

😂

[limpid forum]

I actually think the other way around, even back in bfa, I got 5 masks runs on org before I could do them in SW

I always found mage quarter to be the worst

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that's most people generally

I also got my first 5 mask on org back in the day. But I've done probably hundreds of visions by now and don't really have a preference anymore

[limpid forum]

You do more than the minimum required to get the head enchant?

[limpid forum]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-shocked-letter-shocked-carta-assustado-lendo-assustado-gif-9865558537950598670

[sinful copper]

Hope you're getting gold for those runs

[limpid forum]

why would he get gold for running vision?

[coarse latch]

maybe people whispering them asking for a tank run? idk spitballing

[sinful copper]

People pay gold for boosting them in visions and they just afk at start

[limpid forum]

I'll do it for free, wtf

[sinful copper]

That's nice of u

[warm plinth]

I am not getting gold for them lol. I just enjoy them.

And in BfA you basically had to do a bunch of them to get the mementos for the corruptions.

which were far stronger than these ones

[limpid forum]

I loved it back in the day

and I love the fact you don't have to farm those keys anymore

[warm plinth]

yeah that's the best part

[limpid forum]

I used to have runs completly ruined by a DC or someone needing me urgently

[frosty mango]

I played thane for a 13

That’s gross and it hurts me

Why is there downtime

[sharp gale]

soon

[warm plinth]

Downtime? There should not be downtime as Thane o_O

[frosty mango]

There is when you’re clapping

Am I supposed to press revenge or wait for clap

[warm plinth]

You should never be waiting a global for no reason

If you have something to press, you press it

[frosty mango]

I also shed a lot of haste so my clap cd kinda long

It still did decent damage (2.6m) in floodgate

But it felt so

[mild river]

Hello, guys. Is there any way to skip the arbalists/captain patrol in Theater of pain? Anything I can do as a war nelf tank?

[frosty mango]

No, the best you can do is skip the second and third miniboss

[mild river]

Because I got a ToP 18 and I'm afraid to pull that and ppl die lol

[warm plinth]

I'm pretty sure you can invis that pack, but obviously you're going to have to make up count somewhere, and if you die, you're forced to play it anyway

[mild river]

Doesn't the captain has true sight?

[warm plinth]

People will accidentally pull it during the miniboss too because it comes really far to the end, so you almost have to tuck into the end of the area

I don't believe so. I seem to remember skipping it a time or two in SL

Though I suppose it's possible he does now. MDT doesn't show him as having it though.

[mild river]

Oh nice

[warm plinth]

Neither does threechest

[nocturne spindle]

hmmm

is there even enough count to skip it and minboss 2/3?

[mild river]

Thanks,man. I'll run a m0 to try it then when I arrive at home

[warm plinth]

That I don't know, as miniboss skipping wasn't particularly common in SL

[mild river]

Idk. Maybe I can pull the 2nd miniboss and then skip patrol and last mini boss

[nocturne spindle]

gdamn

that one pack is 8%

it is unfortunatly

super jank

with the %s

[frosty mango]

Just skip two minibosses and kill that pack

It’s not a dangerous pack

Focus kick the captain, burn down the arbalests

[nocturne spindle]

actually

i lied

you just have to go left instead of right for the necromancer wing

i is dumb

[brave sapphire]

snap first plattforms. g5 is what wipes people. imo

you can do it solo as pwarr

[nocturne spindle]

oh

how do you snap it sa war

[brave sapphire]

ravager

[nocturne spindle]

just like leap to it?

[brave sapphire]

no

[nocturne spindle]

oh it reaches?

interesting

so you go left, snap right?

or does direction not matter

[brave sapphire]

tell ppl to hold their dicks first 3 secs, bc dmg doesnt matter until they are snapped anyways. go plattform, do 2-3 abilites, and snap. i could show, but i just wiped in a dungeon and don't have the teleport 😄

left is higher, you can't throw a ravager from right to left

[nocturne spindle]

okay yea thats why i was asking

[sinful copper]

WHAT U CAN JUST THROW RAVAGER THERE TO SNAP?!

[nocturne spindle]

ill just go test it myself real quick so i know what it feels like

[brave sapphire]

Yep 🙂

[sinful copper]

But that means u didn't use ravager on the big soul pull right?

[brave sapphire]

it's not THAT simple. you should do 2-3 dryruns. I will try to explain as best as i can.

[sinful copper]

[warm plinth]

Sometimes sacrifices must be made

[brave sapphire]

go plattform. go the the small spike on the side. run against it until you walk downwards 1-2 steps, JUMP and while your jump goes down, throw ravager.

sounds hard

but it's pretty easy once you did it 2-3 times

fuck it. gimme 10 mins, gonna make a vid

Had to try 2 times, because i was a belf before. Nightelfs are slightly bigger and i couldn't jump in my usual spot. No idea if you need to jump with nelf or not.

But that's the general gist of it.

[nocturne spindle]

Yea I got it as dwarf

[jagged gust]

instructions unclear

[nocturne spindle]

Pretty straight forward

[brave sapphire]

Just know that i came up with this myself! Uninstall snapper genius. If someone did it before me, i bow my head, but i didn't find it anywhere 😄

[brave sapphire]

Did you have to jump as dwarf? 😄

b/c i couldn't get it to work on belf without jumping for some reason.

[nocturne spindle]

let me try without jumping

i cleared to it on m0 so i could practice a bunch

[brave sapphire]

Also correct. For the whole pull before that plattform i sing the great song "don't use ravager" to myself.

[nocturne spindle]

Yea I have to jump

Won't let me cast on the platform without being in the air

[tall gorge]

Anyone have a decent BSV Weakaura? Just looking for something simple

[nocturne spindle]

Sometimes I feel like it just doesn't reach though

Hmmm

[jagged gust]

Think I need to take off cast at cursor for this one, I've only managed to aggro them 1 out of 4 times when landing the ravager on the platform

[brave sapphire]

This pull is the reason why i switched back.

[brave sapphire]

As a dwarf you should be small enough to actually hug the spike and jump.

That was always working for me as belf. As soon as you hit the apex of the jump let go.

[nocturne spindle]

I'll try taking off cursor and clicking it for now

[round cliff]

whats the rule for when im allowed to press ravager on last boss ml

[brave sapphire]

Ye, you have to spamclick m1. So i see how it wouldn't work with casting on cursor location.

[round cliff]

90% of the time it just doesnt work

[jagged gust]

I'm catching my head on the spike as a mechagnome

[nocturne spindle]

ive gotten it a few times

feel like im doign the same thing and its not hitting them

oh

i think its easier if your on the left side of the spike

the mobs are slightly closer

[warm plinth]

We going into the +8 meadery because mama didn't raise no bitch

[round cliff]

do 10s u can do it

[warm plinth]

Gotta get one first

Just pushing friend's key

[pallid quiver]

it's me, we're pushing my key

8s are scawy

[nocturne spindle]

yea i can do it jumpless and with mouseover macro on the left side

[brave sapphire]

Nice! 🙂

[chilly brook]

any nightreigners?

[coarse latch]

8 are sacrey

[warm plinth]

It's a marathon, not a race

Take it slow

You get plenty of sanity from the nemesis mask

Get rekt

[nocturne spindle]

@brave sapphire

if you want the spot

[brave sapphire]

That's even easier. 😄

[vague abyss]

how much overall i should be doing if im 675 in somewhat high keys? (13-14s) as a prot im doing around 2.5-3m dps on aoe and like 1.5m on single target. I saw warriors here doing much more dps so i wonder how. Going colossus build

although it doesn't looks so bad? sorry ill ask later with logs on hand, forgot im not uploading those anymore z.z

[brave sapphire]

Anyone uses Luxthos and knows how to make the lower bar fully saturated at all times? It's fucking with my head and i can't deal with it.

[brave sapphire]

those 90s are the key level. Switch to damage.

[vague abyss]

ah fair enough, is a bit empty, due to lack of logs i guess

[coarse latch]

Yeah 1 sec it will be like 5min gotta remind myself

[next pasture]

dungeon slice top gear

twilight devastation pog?

[nocturne spindle]

You can do like 2.2-2.8 pretty dependably overall depending on the key

[vague abyss]

yeah thats more or less what i do, thanks, i was lacking some kind of target to shoot for 😄

[round cliff]

stix at 40%

tonight, maybe

wondering what dps i should play next tier

[jagged gust]

Ele shammy

[topaz verge]

Been looking at random 14 logs and noting that there are quite a few people playing mountain thane, and that they are doing huge dam. Is that a thing, or is it just random luck i've found them?

[jagged gust]

Are they doing more dam than the colo builds at similar ilvls?

[round cliff]

ranged icky

i play melee

[frosty mango]

Just given tuning I would imagine thane still outclasses most other tanks

But I just picked like 10 14s at random and they were all colossus

[undone beacon]

Tanking mythic lockenstock, if im the one with the party pack and 11 gravi gunk stacks right before first beta launch, what am i supposed to do?

Its killing me through shieldwall and spell reflect

[nocturne spindle]

Spell block

Just make sure your looking at the boss when it goes boom

And have shield block up

[coarse latch]

alright mb for taking a bit.

so go to WA

• click "luxthos - warrior"
• click the tab "Custom Options"
• click the drop down for "Utility Icons"
• switch "Always Show Alpha" to 100%

[brave sapphire]

no worries, server went down anyways. gonna look at it tmr. thanks in advance

[coarse latch]

yeah np

[undone beacon]

this

is what fucked me thank you

[frigid plume]

you could also just swap more frequently because when we do it neither tank ever goes above 6 stacks

[undone beacon]

we were just swappin on party packs, is one tank taking every pack then?

[frigid plume]

ya i do all of them and then i take the boss back when my stacks drop

[undone beacon]

interesting

might switch it up then after break

our other tank is a bdk

[frigid plume]

same here, my bdk complained about having to walk the bombs out so we did it this way

[undone beacon]

We're gonna try swapping at 6 gunks

fuckin hate tankin this boss

i wanna go back to raid dps life was so simple

[solid sun]

Do you tank that boss in different positions on mythic than you do on heroic?

[prime sphinx]

yeah but its completely choreographed

[undone beacon]

yeah its a dance but we were just being bad

im gonna force the dk to do all the bombs

he can DA and AMS them its fine

[small steeple]

alpha under the utiulities custom options

[topaz verge]

Yes - was looking at a bunch of cinderbrew 14s and the collosus ones were 1.8-2.2m and the mountain thane ones were 2.4-2.6

[orchid mural]

almost comes down to preference i think. i used colossus up to resil 14, then switched to thane, currently half way to resil 17. I find it smoother, dmg is fine, and easier to gather mobs / threat

[jagged gust]

I mean obviously it has potential, but it sounds like you're looking at a lot of outliers

[topaz verge]

Yeah i figured they would be, just wondered if it was completely random or there is actual a known reason people choose it

[jagged gust]

It's easier

In several ways

[topaz verge]

Whats hard about collusus?

[jagged gust]

IP is more finnicky, lower overall rage gen, fewer aoe gathering abilities

[topaz verge]

I guess i'm going to have to give to give it a go, i like playing warrior specifically for its simplness

[jagged gust]

If you've never played it then absolutely, it was far more popular in S1

Thunderblast makes gathering so easy you'll be amazed

But it's higher apm, lower than S1 but still higher than colossus

[undone beacon]

dude i am ass at lockenstock wtf

i hate this guy

[warm plinth]

Look at me, I'm like a real player again

Doing keys and shit

[pallid quiver]

nuh-uh

[warm plinth]

Dude I had to do a double take

The lock we played with today was named Hexmaster, and the +2 workshop we did like last week, we did a key with a lock named Hexecutive lol

Same dungeon, similar name, I was like wait was that same guy XD

[mighty valley]

warlocks come up with a second joke challenge

@warm plinth what's the origin story of your skull with 3D glasses avatar, i've been wondering for literal years

[jagged gust]

its a doot

[acoustic willow]

Higher APM but lower number of keys is nice to me. I feel like I always screw up the Shout > Demolish prio and not wasting rage on revenge when IP/SB are off. Probably just need more warrior practice

[jagged gust]

no such thing as wasting rage with revenge

[acoustic willow]

When I’m out of rage with block and IP down it seemed like a mistake

[jagged gust]

yeah that comes down to practice

keeping SB up should be natural, IP uptime is irrelevant for the most part and trying to game it usually leads to rage issues, leading back to the SB uptime issue

[warm plinth]

Uh...so changed my DH name to Deuteranopia back in BfA. Was also my payout toon for a community I was in so it was also my name in there. Someone started calling me Doot, which apparently is some meme involving a skull with a trumpet, hence the skull. And then deuteranopia is the form of colorblindness I have and so that just made me think of the colored lenses of old 3d movie glasses. So when I got the pfp commissioned, I asked for a skull with 3D glasses

[round pendant]

Why not do 10s

I believe in you

Get those myth sluts

Uh

Slots

[mighty valley]

this is a far richer origin story than i could have expected, thank you

[undone beacon]

myth sluts? where?!

[warm plinth]

I don't know any of the dungeons except ml, top, and ws lol

And top fucked with me on 1st boss and lich because of the changes

[round pendant]

Knowing the dungeon isn't a requirement! Just ask half my pug tanks when I was playing dps/heal

[pallid quiver]

ghash help i should be asleep but new phone insists that I'm fucking blind

[round pendant]

God typing on mobile gets worse and worse

[warm plinth]

I should be asleep too

[pallid quiver]

Everything is all big and huge

[round pendant]

Does anybody else's autocorrect just not work properly anymore

[pallid quiver]

My auto correct is working incorrectly because it is enabled at all

[warm plinth]

But look at him

[frosty mango]

Who says mythic sluts isn’t better than mythic slots

Mission failed successfully

[round pendant]

It's too dark in my room to show my cat

Trust me though, he is cute

[warm plinth]

Nah i need to know dungeons or at least have someone willing to sort of guide me.

I can't just raw dog it. Not in my dna

[pallid quiver]

He gets nervous

[round pendant]

I have the most fun just yoloing it

[coarse latch]

How do we deal with the first pull of psf? I stagger this but the sharpshooter stays put and going near them sometimes pulls unwanted packs

[slender bison]

If you're doing x2 knights (I assume it's a lower key) just heroic throw that sharpshoot. Footmen will come in your cleave and sharpshoot will jump near you since it doesn't have anybody near him. Don't charge into them. Sit with the x2 knight packs

[pallid quiver]

also, you can just los to the gates at the start

ping everyone to wait by the door, round them up, and run back

[coarse latch]

Ohhh that's interesting, then they will all be gathered

Cool

[mighty valley]

It really helps if the rest of the party stays close to you — personally chasing the sharpshooters is a fool’s errand

[slender bison]

Knights are so problematic for the amount of count they give

[strong fox]

Double knights are banned in my PSFs. Relies too much on good rng and a strong healer.

[slender bison]

It's best to skip all knight packs (upper patrol too) and kill everything else to get that 45-48% count to Dailcry

[frosty mango]

Pretty sure raiderio route has 2 knight pull

And double light spawn

I dunno wtf they’re smoking

[slender bison]

Those were original PUG friendly week1 season routes, since all those were done in 8s keys

[coarse latch]

What do you all mean by double knight? Like you never pull more than one knight at a time?

[near salmon]

how do you skip the first two knights? can it be done without a rogue ?

[near salmon]

Yeah, pulling two knights at the same time with mini boss can lead to undesirable outcome.

[coarse latch]

Is there a better resource for routes then? Or is it kind of just something that you come to develop as you learn more

[mighty valley]

you kinda just don’t really need to worry that much about count efficient routes at lower key levels since everyone is generally overgeared

lower down, just play for simplicity and error tolerance

as you get higher, you can watch vids of people timing difficult keys

[coarse latch]

Okay that makes sense, and I just also realized that the knights are the ones that do the interrupt, could definitely see that being annoying

[slender bison]

You just wait 4 seconds for the left patrol to go back and grab the well packs into the boss. You can skip the first 4 footmen with Meld/Soothe/Rogue. Or wait a bit more and take them with you

[near salmon]

okay i see now. Thanks!

[slender bison]

But it's important that your group stacks so that the well sharpshooters jump to you.

Go to a M0 and practice. The left patrol moves towards stairs. Wait a bit then pull all well packs into Suleyman

[coarse latch]

Where do you actually plant to tank then?

[slender bison]

Sitting with back to a random wall across the well or at the well. You can also pick the rest 3 packs between stairs, since they're much easier without knights

Just have good interrupts for the 4 casters

Since you BL this they will melt fast

[coarse latch]

Very interesting, thanks

[sinful copper]

Between wall and the stairs by where suleyman starts

[fringe burrow]

What is it about the knights tha tmakes them do bad to pull more than one of?

[near salmon]

their disrupting shout actually hurt quite a bit

and that overlap with mini boss's thunder clap is quite a lot of group damage

[odd crown]

if i only do keys and i have hero pace maker should i use my first dinar on tome then next dinar M pacemaker?

[past cobalt]

how do you guys initiate a big trash pull on prot warrior? I feel like I'm always slow to do all the stuff I need to do, especially something like first pull floodgate where you pull the whole platform

[slender bison]

@coarse latch @near salmon here's enough count with no knights. Tank Suleyman right stairs. You can skip (6) too if you're pulling the patrol before undead paladin inside

[gloomy trail]

Iv seen cat talk before

[near salmon]

Thank! So when you fight #4, wouldn't Taener run by and aggro ?

[slender bison]

Taener comes to where you killed Aemya

Just kick him so he can stack with mobs to avoid patrol

And 4 is chain pulling one pack at a time to cleave with Aemya

[near salmon]

Okay. This makes a lot more sense now. I will give it a try.

[deep solstice]

Hello, i have recently picked up protection warrior and was looking through the faq here on discord. Is there any innate synergy between ignore pain and shield slam? Because I saw this macro being recommended.

[jagged pier]

that macro replaced your IP bind, u would still have a SS bind, all this does iis helps the hands a little and lets u snipe SS resets when u press IP

[slender bison]

Have two buttons: this macro and Shield Slam. Use this Macro to cast IP (and it will cast SS if available). But still use SS spearately. This way is to handle eventual SS resets while you cast IP.

[deep solstice]

So it helps me use the shield slam procs inbetween ignore pains in a way

I see, thank you!

[velvet knot]

I did 8masks

[jagged pier]

gz

[velvet knot]

God that was awful

[jagged pier]

really?

[velvet knot]

Though i also

Didn't do any practice with lower masks..

I went straight into 8mask

[jagged gust]

I think I'm gonna run MT for 8 mask, demo keeps getting me killed

[velvet knot]

Demo is mantatory

you wont get through thralls shield without it

[grizzled orbit]

wud u play these trinkets for farming +12 crest?

[wanton rampart]

Hi, is signet of priory worth?

[still lintel]

I played Wrecking Throw and it just trivialized the absorb. Still play Col though.

[rough nest]

Got it a few minutes ago after a few single digits fails yesterday 😄 I think they've hotfixed the Voidcrazed Hulk, didn't lose sanity when he threw me (edit : he doesn't throw anymore)

Using a strinky bright potion is the best tip I've read before trying again

Also +1 for wrecking throw

[fresh juniper]

Could someone help me with a macro? I would like to use the charge mouse over macro, for shield charge, but somehow it doesn't work, just works if i target something, where did I mess up?

[lucid mica]

Do we do visions as prot or dps?

[jagged pier]

as prot

[lucid mica]

🫡

[strong forum]

its considerably weaker than house of cards, cant recommend

[fresh juniper]

nvm found the culprit; did a /use instead of /cast and somehow it didnt work due to it 🤣

[odd crown]

can you not spell reflect reaping scythe from last boss of top anymore?

[slender bison]

No, fixed a long time ago.

[odd crown]

fk is there any good stuff to reflect anymore =/

[sweet summit]

deez

[slender bison]

Floodgate blood bolt ☠️

[charred shard]

if I want to improve my logs on heroic raid, i guess i should do the entire stuff in Battle Stance no?

[sweet summit]

yeah

[charred shard]

no ill effect on threat that could be missing from the tooltip?

[sweet summit]

you'll generate more threat through more damage

[south anvil]

Can i spell reflect the mines on mugzee

[hardy snow]

it only gives DR

[echo egret]

It still throws you right now on EU realms. It could be slightly less often though.

[south anvil]

Thanks

[rough nest]

Weird, he threw me every time in my previous tries, but for my succesful run and the one I tried after to gather mats he did only the jump.

[echo egret]

It was just a test run with 0 masks. I got thrown every 3 leaps more or less.

[sharp gale]

I did both

[rough nest]

Hmm, for me yesterday it was throw - leap - dead (or throw - dead if unlucky with crits), today every time it was just leap -> dead.

EU too

[sharp gale]

You might want to use an orb

idk because he died before he threw me a second time

[rough nest]

ah non, the dead part was him

[sharp gale]

Okok I thought it was you the dead

Don’t forget demolish makes you immune to the throw, so maybe you don’t see it bc you press at same time

[solid sun]

Is there a cast for the throw?

I don’t remember seeing a bar for it but maybe I just didn’t notice it

[sharp gale]

Nop but I personnally see the throw cd on his nameplate

But if you struggle, I think I would just use an orb after the first throw

[short apex]

well he definetly threw me in the clear i just did

but i fullsend 8 masks aswell lmao

[velvet knot]

hah go us

[short apex]

gamers

[velvet knot]

if you stand near the wall he doesn't throw you

There were alot of small little niche things i did to make the run easier.

I also abused shadowmeld so much

[short apex]

im just a smol dwagon :3

[velvet knot]

First thing I do every run is check potion color and kill blacksmith for 10% damage buff.

[short apex]

but biggest thing was practically skipping almost all of rexxar wing

[velvet knot]

Yup same

I skip the big bug elite

[short apex]

didnt chug a single pot but i got dam and haste buff

[velvet knot]

Hardest boss is definitely rexxar

The 2 bosses in the drag kinda sketchy and rng

i hid behind the treestump to avoid the void blasts

I wiped on thrall on 6% the attempt before too

God it was painful

getting like 5k mementos for a 8mask run is kinda nuts though

[solid sun]

Did you hit rexxar with the shockwave and then disruptive shout strat

And try to kill all the boars before they rain casts down on you

[velvet knot]

I just killed the boars as quick as I could while dpsing rexxar slowly so my pummel was ready to go when the next boar showed up

when both boars spawned, I shield charged one, pummeled the other, killed them both with demolish

[short apex]

i just cleaved them, has to aoe kick once and that was it for me

[echo egret]

8 masks ?
What kind of gear ?
Every attempt he threw me 3 times

[velvet knot]

stand near the wall

by the forge

[short apex]

learning i can spellreflect split personality was such a big QoL

[velvet knot]

The hulk doesn't throw you if you're near a wall

[warm plinth]

It's not the wall; its the overhead

If something is close overhead, he cant throw you

You can also stand under the obelisk things

[velvet knot]

oh okay

But yeah

That

[warm plinth]

Still have to move from the leap though ofc

[echo egret]

Reeks of stupid design.

And a timer would be welcome, same for Gamon’s stomp.

[warm plinth]

I have a timer for gamon. Didn't pay attention if I had one for hulk though

[velvet knot]

The entire vision is stupid design.

I had a little strat with gamon

I used nelf shdaowmeld to leave 'tactical gamons' around the map for when i needed sanity

and he just stayed there forever

so i had like 6-7 gamons vibing around if i needed them

[rough nest]

Yes 8 masks, 681 or 2, I keep cds for him

[lean topaz]

Hi, smart people! I have a quick question: Next week I will be able to buy another trinket; I have HC house of cards, but should be able to have all 12's i M+ to be able to buy the Mytch dungeon trinkets. Should I be looking to get Tome of Light's Devotion as my second trinket, or should I be looking at Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker? I'm only interested in performance in M+. Thanks!

[solid sun]

Pacemaker gets my vote

[solid sun]

Can you use the little Tauren tent thing and just fight him in there

[frail ibex]

@strong forum Not that I should be pinging you at all for this but

whats your favorite warframe

[strong forum]

titania prime

infinite move speed

infinite attack speed

and can just fly perma

[jagged pier]

Yer buff me i gieb more loots

[ocean smelt]

To combine with HoC I'd say Pacemaker because having two on use trinkets is always a bit clunky

[round cliff]

lame play grendel

[steel zodiac]

2nd boss of prioiry just eats by butthole

[cerulean olive]

gotta cycle deffs for soaks

you can soak maximum of 2 (atleast i can in 16-17 key)

[silk pine]

Hey can someone tell me if there is a full dps build as prot warri? for M+. Without Spellblock and other optional self cds

[keen vine]

since when is spell block optional lol

there was a build in dragonflight where you ditched it and bloodsurge to get 2 points into bloodborne. idk if thats still a thing

[urban portal]

Just click off all the self cds

And then take dmg talents of your choice

[frosty mango]

Spell reflect and wall, don’t ever soak more than 2

If you don’t have a CD do not soak more than one

You will almost certainly die if you go over two without your healer being on point

You have a long ass time to soak too, you can leap one immediately, then soak another when it’s falling off

But that’s usually not a problem

[nocturne spindle]

zug zug build no defensives

[round pendant]

Your puggers let you take soaks?

I grab one instantly but then no one lets me wait for it to fall off before they grab the last (which I wanted to take)

[slate valley]

When skipping the peacekeeprler before the first boss in ML. Can you fear the pack before the peacekeeper? Or does your party get aggro when they walk past it?

[undone beacon]

Odd question that doesn’t have any real relevance but I was in a discussion about it in my guild: During Cauldron Clash, the bosses don’t completely drop their threat tables right? I always taunt the one I’m gonna be taking next and it’s fine but our raid leader is saying otherwise

[nocturne spindle]

no cause if you dont taunt they go after thte tank they were on before

so garuntee no drop exists

[undone beacon]

That’s what I was saying but

Both our raid lead and healing officer were adamant they drop aggro

[spring cedar]

they don't drop aggro

at all

[undone beacon]

Yeah

They still have a full aggro table lol

[spring cedar]

I mean, you are free to try it. Just say "I'm not gonna taunt this time" and then everyone gets to watch the boss sprint accross the room

[undone beacon]

Trust me, I’m aware of the mechanic I just wanted to have people confirm I’m not going mad lmfao

[spring cedar]

you are not

but it would be a cool way to prove the RL and officer that they are wrong in a nice way

aka: public humiliation

[undone beacon]

you’re so real for that

Our BDK can’t hold aggro off of me in lockenstock somehow and he’s panic taunting and the boss is taunt immune half the fight, kms

[grim pilot]

Shouldn’t soak more than 1 ever with unh in group

[frosty mango]

They do not

100%

Just don’t taunt and then when the boss goes to the other side just be like “oh well you said they reset so”

And then when they inevitably ask why you didn’t just taunt to be safe ask them why they even raised it in the first place if you have to taunt anyway

Then shame them for doing less dps than the tank

This is the way

[harsh trellis]

They probably don't understand pyro party pack

[nocturne spindle]

tank damage go brrr

[warm plinth]

He will still leap there and having stuff around you when split is one of the madnesses is dangerous. Thats why the obelisk is safer because it's open on the sides.

[sharp gale]

I can guarantee you are correct, the boss will follow previous tank, your raid lead thinks it auto drops aggro bc they do 0 damage maybe

[frigid valley]

Tome doesnt share the trinket cd iirc

[round cliff]

wait, what

sorry for necroing

but what r your raid leads complaining about exactly

[undone beacon]

We were having aggro issues on lockenstock and they tried to say we had the same issues on cauldron because cauldron drops threat on clash and lockenstock drops threat on invention activation (???)

And I was like, I’m certain that’s not how that works but

pop off kings

[round cliff]

i don't think ANY enemy in this game drops threat

outside of like, vexie when she comes out of the mech

or king mechagon getting in the mech

[strong fox]

How scuffed is this first section of PSF? I have found this route to be nearly pug proof, but was wondering if there are any free swaps here. You literally w route the entire dungeon after first boss

[slender bison]

What key level?

I do 14-15 like this #protection message

[strong fox]

This is for the 12-14 range

(I know it 'doesn't matter' at that key level, but I do like to optimize at the range of my skil 🙂 )

[clever rampart]

Btw is there a list of head enchants like is TD better then stats for a tank like doing 12-13

[strong fox]

Right, the knight less pull. I do really like that, maybe I'll int a 12 trying it out

[slender bison]

Talk to your group beforehand so that they don't ninja pull mobs from (2) near stairs. The less knights the higher chance of timing it

[strong fox]

I am assuming you just 100% the dungeon after the first boss, yeah?

[slender bison]

No, also skip patrol at undead paladin. See my comments after that link

[frail ibex]

Fuck floodgate

[strong fox]

Ok, perfect, thanks!

[ocean smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-12602848223923095615

[slender bison]

If you pull (6) you won't need patrol in cathedral

[sharp gale]

If you have a genuine threat issue the first thing to know is : does both tanks are hitting the boss when it happened (you don’t need logs), did one of you used a special bursty button when happened (like demolish) or does 1 of the 2 tanks is doggo

[mighty valley]

have your leads been playing too much classic

"boss resets threat" is such a vanilla problem

[sharp gale]

And for lockncock, don’t demolish when the other tank is doing the big move with the boss

It’s the only timing I could see a real threat issue

[round cliff]

im gonna miss the feeling of popping off with rng and ripping aggro off my cotank when i get switched back to dps

[sharp gale]

I tanked 1 reclean and 2 nights of oab with our new tank, I’m glad I don’t tank anymore, my co-tank who was busy whispers me every raids

[round cliff]

idc who's turn it is to have aggro, when i press tome+house of cards+demo shout+demolish+shield charge+3 shield slams in a row w violent outburst
there's nothing my guardian druid cotank can do about it other than just press taunt

[sharp gale]

Yep or when your brew plays shado-pan and you have the funny tiger palm with 5 procs + flurry strikes

[round cliff]

brew rips aggro?

that's fun

[sharp gale]

Just on that interaction it can happen

But I did 2x the damage of our brew so it didn’t matter for me

[round cliff]

what's up with brew and tiger palm

they press it over sck at high target counts now??

idk what changed

[sharp gale]

They press sck just to gather mobs

Read the mid expansion brew thing

[frigid valley]

black out combo /w tp does more dmg than an sck by miles which also has multiple talents that interacts with its dmg + reduces cd on brews

//brew main

[round cliff]

that makes sense

[frigid valley]

barerly press sck when gathering atm

like its down bad

[sharp gale]

Yeah the combo talent boost tiger palm + when you dodged + 2 or three procs I don’t know

[round cliff]

id play brew, but i like using the artifact and they STILL won't give me a glyph of blackout strike to make it so that blackout kick uses the old artifact stick animation

so i can't

[sharp gale]

I don’t play brew bc button bloat, I’m MW rn

[round cliff]

i love button bloat

[sharp gale]

That’s why I prefer prot, not a lot for a tank

[jagged gust]

Man there's a 200+ comment thread complaining about tank aggro, people really be struggling out here

[sharp gale]

Yes meanwhile blizzard made threat a non-mechanic 10 years ago

These ppl would struggle in ff14 aggro

[frosty mango]

Ff14 also nonissue now

[sharp gale]

you lose aggro bc you don't hit these targets (blizzard can't do shit about it) or bc your co-tank plays better than you

[frosty mango]

Even less than wow

Og ff14 (1.0) may have been worse than vanilla wow for threat mechanics lol

[sharp gale]

that's why i said these ppl would struggle with ff14 aggro, it is even less of a mechanic

[frosty mango]

We need shirk in wow

Let me carry my cotank

[sharp gale]

yep shirk is a smart thing to help, i agree they should put it in wow but might be strange bc they are add fights in wow

[frosty mango]

That’s ok

As it stands now one very geared or high skill tank can’t tank with someone else of lesser gear or skill without just not pressing buttons

Any design that forces you to play non optimally to overcome limitations of other players with no alternative is just objectively terrible design

It feels awful

[jagged pier]

its nothing to do with gear

literally nothing if i tank against a bad tank with more gear

[sharp gale]

i'm watching dratnos video and he talks about aggro what a coincidence

[jagged pier]

i still rip aggro

[frosty mango]

Has everything to do with gear in some cases

[jagged pier]

no it has cases of one tank being lazy

[frosty mango]

If I join a heroic pug and I’m 683 and the other tank is 640

It doesn’t matter if he’s playing optimally

All things being equal i will rip threat

[sharp gale]

i think it's more instances of one of the two don't press buttons

[jagged pier]

nope it wont be a problem because a good tank will taunt so they dont loose aggro before its an issue

so instead of taunting i dont know when an addon tells u they will taunt just before a stack change or just before u are about to die etc etc

[frosty mango]

Yeah but that’s unintuitive play, I don’t disagree with you but the game should be designed to allow for those situations

[jagged pier]

its just a different timing to tunat swap

nothing else

the game is designed to be played that way because it can be

[frosty mango]

A tank to tank threat swap would be unintrusive and enable interesting gameplay

That’s all my opinion obviously

[round cliff]

what's shirk

[sharp gale]

misdirect

25% threat if i remember

[sinful copper]

We have misdirect tho. Just not ours

[round cliff]

as just a thing everyone has?

[sharp gale]

every tank

[round cliff]

oh

[sinful copper]

We have a taunt

[round cliff]

that's silly

why not just taunt

[frigid valley]

if you dont taunt by doing more dmg, are you even playing the game

[mighty valley]

shirk would help in the extreme ilvl/damage discrepancies

[sinful copper]

U right

[round cliff]

ig so

[sharp gale]

and shirk is permanent (misdirect is only first 3 spells no?)

[mighty valley]

dunno if it's worth another button but w/e

[round cliff]

you know what else helps in the extreme ilvl/damage discrepancies? bullying

but im told that's looked down on in ffxiv

[mighty valley]

if you even know how much damage you're doing in ff14 you're breaking the law

[frigid valley]

eh not rly, u just dont talk to the person, you just kick them KEK

[round cliff]

kicking someone from a group WITHOUT sending personalized insults their way feels more disrespectful than just kicking them

like at least i made sure u know why ur being kicked

[frigid valley]

yes but they cant report you for just removing from group 🙂

[sharp gale]

they can't report you at all

[frigid valley]

ive seen ppl get banned from talking shit about ppl ingame on twitch streams lol

[sharp gale]

if you didn't say hi at the start, how would you report someone ?

./report is a command ?

[jagged pier]

u give em the old o/

[frigid valley]

na im talking about pf groups for raids

[jagged pier]

then never answer any questions about routes

[frigid valley]

who the fuck cares about dungeons lol

[sharp gale]

i just say hi, and never answer to bl questions

[jagged pier]

oooooo yer that too

[sharp gale]

if they keeps asking, i drop "whenever you want"

[frigid valley]

"whats bl"

[jagged pier]

just give em the when u feel like it

[sharp gale]

once i was on disc with someone who was the bl, i said "like you want", he told me i'm the one who should know when to bl, meanwhile HE PLAYS THE CLASS WITH THE BUTTON

[round cliff]

the correct answer on when u should use lust is when the other 2 dps have already blown their cooldowns

farm YOUR parse hunter king

top those meters

[sharp gale]

if i ask someone the "when you feel like it" after seeing the route and have troubles : i automatically know he is not good at the game

a good player on a bl class would propose bl timing to the tanks

[round cliff]

isn't like every dungeon rn just "lust first pull then lust the next boss you have it up"

[sharp gale]

or just good players would have more pre-start blabla on the route

[round cliff]

do what my guild does

we talk abt the route for 5 min then fuck up the first pull

[sharp gale]

lol

[frosty mango]

Legit me last night

[sharp gale]

tbf first pulls are the biggest in many dungeons

[frosty mango]

“No no no trust me do this pull”

I dunno bro that’s got two voidriders I feel like that’s not the play

“Trust me I key”

Commence wipe

[sharp gale]

the scariest first pull for me is still NW first

with Nome judging me

[round cliff]

if i had a nickel for every time i got stuck on a beach chair in 1st pull motherlode, id have two nickels

[frosty mango]

That’s prob one of the most fun first pulls imo

[round cliff]

which isn't a lot but i hate that it's happened twice

[frosty mango]

Just like 900 mobs

[sharp gale]

scary is fun

i don't play wow for the easy content

[frosty mango]

My all time best is the first floodgate pull, I charge the first pack, go through the floor and I’m inside the little platform

[round cliff]

scary was scary until i learned how to establish myself

[frosty mango]

Last night someone told me “that’s what yoda does”

[round cliff]

what i do now for big first pulls is i shield wall while mass pulling to prevent backshots and survive while healer tries to not pull aggro, then avatar and coolies for 4 more sec, then 2nd shield wall cuz im scared

idk if it's correct

but it tends to keep me alive

[frosty mango]

I appreciate the confidence bro but I’m not sure if you noticed, I’m not yoda

[sharp gale]

you can shockwave and leap on the platform

[round cliff]

platform?

[frosty mango]

I leap in and body pull then intervene to boomkin because that’s where all the mobs are headed anyway /s

[round cliff]

im talking in general

[sharp gale]

oh thought it was still first pull of flood

[round cliff]

don't u walk around the platform?

to pick up loaderbots

[frosty mango]

I charge first pack, leap over to back of platform then charge back to first pack while clapping

[near salmon]

You actually don't need /s here. I think this is a legit strategy for that first pull.

[frosty mango]

Then aoe taunt as it coalesces

[near salmon]

im writing it down

Thanks

[frosty mango]

I’ve figured out how to deal with most gung ho dps but I think ret paladins and boomies are just gonna die and there isn’t much I can do

[sharp gale]

loaderboats are last thing i pull

[round cliff]

how does ur group get up if u leap onto platform tho

[frosty mango]

They jump up

Approach from back

[jagged gust]

That's just the nature of damage caps ig

[frosty mango]

I mean if a ret is hammering divine storm before the mobs are even in my range I dunno what to tell them

There’s no playing around that

[round cliff]

where's the leap

[frosty mango]

From 1 to 4

[sharp gale]

yes

[round cliff]

ic

i just charge

from 2 to 3

[frosty mango]

Leap 1 to 4, clap, charge back to 2, heroic throw loaders

[round cliff]

ic ic

will do

[frosty mango]

Your dps will still die if they’re trigger happy tho

[sharp gale]

broadly how i do it

i charge back 2

[jagged gust]

Nothing wrong with an aoe taunt here, nothing you really need it for otherwise for a while if you're specced in to silence

[frosty mango]

Yeah that’s what I said

I always send it here because every dps has cds plus lust

High value taunt

[jagged gust]

High value taint

[sharp gale]

yes i always mass taunt this pack for the threat / not to mass kick

[frosty mango]

Too late my fingers are too fast

[jagged gust]

Don't lie, you know your worth

[near salmon]

But i noticed several times that if i dont save AOE taunt until the two surveying beams, no dps help me kick them.

[frosty mango]

My taint is high value because it is attached to me

[near salmon]

so i wait to see two surveying beam casting and aoe taunt

[frosty mango]

You can kick plus storm bolt these

[jagged gust]

Yeah it's a channel so its cool to just stun em

[near salmon]

alright. Thanks.

[jagged gust]

Shockwave if you're like me and get stunlocked trying to click one individual target in a group of 15

Let the other DPS figure out how to interrupt whirlyboys

[near salmon]

lol those bots destroy people every single time

[frosty mango]

Does anyone know what this frame is and how I move it

I cant find it in moveanything

[sharp gale]

maybe status bars

time for some mw gaming

and i got tank baited in a group

[round cliff]

i kinda wanna learn mw but if im gonna be dps next tier i don't wanna be stuck with wind walker since itll probably get windwalkered as usual

[sharp gale]

yeah it's bc i might be ww next season

(i'm a 2 raid char dude now)

[round cliff]

me when my only dps spec has spec breaking bugs for more than half of its existence

[frigid valley]

go into dungeon, do /fstack, mouse over it, check name, search in moveanything

[jagged gust]

Nah S3 ww compensation buffs are right around the corner

WW will pop off until HoF starts rolling

[round pendant]

I shield charge 1 and tclap, leap to 2 and revenge, walk/charge + tclap 5 and ravager 3 and then charge 4

works for me

[jagged gust]

Sounds like some lost DPS to me

Where's that parsing spirit

[round pendant]

the problem is if I leap over straight to 4

my puggers WILL kill themselves

[jagged gust]

Sounds like they volunteered to help gather the packs with you

[round pendant]

the game is so much better when playing with a hunter tho (misdirect)

they should just make threat a non issue

I'm tired of it tbh

[strong fox]

I skip group 1 in that Flood pull. The amount of times I fuck up that jump to the platform is unreal

[jagged gust]

Hunters are a bad vibe, I prefer rogues

[strong fox]

My little dwarf legs cannae handle it

[round pendant]

well my friend plays mm so it's pretty chill

[jagged gust]

If I can do it as a mechagnome, I know you can

[round pendant]

I just tell him to grab specific packs for me

it's so nice

[jagged gust]

I do the same thing with my resident dk/dh

[strong fox]

I should go into heroic and practice that pull tbh
It's always a cluster for me

[jagged gust]

Absolutely

I ran m0 NW for like 20 minutes trying to solo down the first pull

Worked wonders

[strong fox]

Yeah def gonna do that today

[jagged gust]

Also was fun to see 1.1mil overall hps as a warrior

[slender bison]

I joined a 15 and the 3.3k Hunter didn't know what Attack Power buff does. What the -

Like Phys comp people think it's about physical damage lmao

Because we have swords and axes

Holy shit, but it's WoW fault for not showing in default UI what's attack power

[mighty valley]

yeah it's not as present as it used to be

that shit used to be a raw stat

[jagged gust]

Oh yeah, I forgot about AP

[warm plinth]

Even back then it wasn't completely transparent because you got AP from both stats and just the AP stat

[jade hazel]

Some hunters don’t know they’re phys to begin with

[slender bison]

People don't know that Enha shaman is Phys comp due to attack power scaling, though it does elemental dmg

[warm plinth]

Especially prevalent for hunter with the RAP on their bow/gun

[mighty valley]

str/agi plate please

[slender bison]

At 3k+ rating

[rancid tiger]

Most hunters dont know they have hands tbf

[jagged gust]

I have carried several people to 3k that shouldn't have been completing 10s tbh

Mix that with the fact that most people don't read tooltips

[jade hazel]

And then add lust

I’m practicing prot again atm, finally tired of pug tanks lmao

[jagged gust]

all it took was going dps in a pug once

[nocturne spindle]

tbh its probably the most "vague" of buffs

[jagged gust]

#neveragain

[nocturne spindle]

also dont need to have good game knowledge bout background to be good at the game

[slender bison]

My UDK with 15 resilient. LMAO

I'm dying

[chilly brook]

He's not

he didn't say something wrong

He is indeed not physical damage

[jade hazel]

We need a public announcement for what’s phys and not lmao

[chilly brook]

Very few specs are physical

[jagged gust]

And half of them are warrior

[slender bison]

He scales with Attack Power. Mages do not

[chilly brook]

that doesn't make him physical

[nocturne spindle]

its not physical

its still AP scaling magic damage

but its not physical

[chilly brook]

he benefits almost nothing from Mystic Touch

[slender bison]

Correct. Was talking about the Battle Shout

As not every spec gets full 5% of it

[chilly brook]

Yeah Bshout benefits non physical classes

warrior, feral druid and hunter are basically the only true physical specs

[nocturne spindle]

someone did like full testing

and basically every AP class gets 4.9% scaling from it

[chilly brook]

Oh and outlaw rogue

[jagged gust]

Surv hunter quietly tucking their fire bombs under their chair

[chilly brook]

outside of explosive shot/bombs the rest is basically all physical unless sentinel I think

but yeah TLDR there are very few "physical" classes

[slender bison]

These are residual things from when they dropped damage types and resistances 18 years ago. Boss tooltip still says "Nature damage, Shadow damage etc.", but it all comes down to " if it's physical damage, then its not a tank buster". Everyone else will die to it anyway. The reverse is with AP vs Intelect buff.

Damn this game is so stupid at explaining itself for new players

[jagged gust]

Just play the game for 18 years 🙂

they'll get a handle on things about a decade in

[frosty mango]

Isn’t phys just
Fury, arms, windwalker, mm, outlaw

[nocturne spindle]

bring back all magic types and resistances to fuck over mages 🙂

[frosty mango]

Pure phys anyway

[nocturne spindle]

beast master too?

i think?

[frosty mango]

Bm I guess is technically phys

Feral is too

[chilly brook]

wut?

[frosty mango]

IMO best phys comp is pwar/mm hunt/feral Druid/sin rogue/mw monk

[chilly brook]

that sentence makes 0 sense

[jagged gust]

thats a lot of melee with no windfury

[chilly brook]

first boss of priory, physical hit as a tank buster

first mini boss

physical tank buster

[frosty mango]

There any many physical tankbusters

[chilly brook]

2nd boss in Floodgate

phys tank buster

[frosty mango]

Last boss as well

[chilly brook]

well it's hybrid but yeah

[frosty mango]

Thunder punch is ironically almost all phys lol

[jagged gust]

tell that to my shield

[chilly brook]

unblockable

punch

kekw

[frosty mango]

That’s ok it doesn’t hurt anyway

I’m convinced we can just take it to the face and then spell reflect the dot

[chilly brook]

certainly hurts if you don't CD it

[round cliff]

should i use this spark on a chestpiece or a weapon to be allowed to play arms

[frosty mango]

Only if you don’t parry

50% of the time it works every time

[chilly brook]

[frosty mango]

Only warrior really cares about it

[chilly brook]

I thought ret did

[frosty mango]

Ret isn’t phys

[slender bison]

The only reason bleeds exist is because shield block is OP

[chilly brook]

was talking about WFT

[chilly brook]

no?

[frosty mango]

No sham will hurt prot war but it won’t really hurt feral

It would technically hurt rogue I guess but rogue would be the swap there and imo you gain more by having a rogue with no windfury than by bringing an enhance with but I think either would be ok

Using sin + mm + feral also enables pulls that align because all three have the same damage profile

[chilly brook]

I mean you bring sin because it has uncapped aoe

[frosty mango]

So do the other two, feral is funnel and mm is functionally uncapped this season

[chilly brook]

MM is capped

very much so

capped to 8

just like outlaw

[frosty mango]

Mm lock n load tier

Is a huge portion of their aoe

And that is essentially uncapped

I don’t even know if explosive shot is soft capped

[chilly brook]

soft capped to 5 on explosive shot

[frosty mango]

Per shot though and you’re firing up to 3

Plus they fixed ohnaran winds

[lusty grotto]

late congrats my dude

[frosty mango]

IMO you’re getting value from mm regardless of pull size, I don’t see the damage falling off

[chilly brook]

you get value from MM because they're the best at 8 targets

unlike Fury where they're not the best at 5

[nocturne spindle]

just make the one pack at a time party 🙂

mm/fury/ww/resto shammy

[chilly brook]

except even unholy dk would perform better than fury at one pack at a time pulls

[frosty mango]

F in the chat for fury

Had a fury in my 15 flood today

Did less damage than me

[orchid frigate]

according to wowhead we get deadly emerald in all sockets besides the diamon gem, how come we dont go with one of each algari color?

[chilly brook]

fury down bad

[solid sun]

Why did you have a fury in your 15 flood today

[frosty mango]

I joined the key and they invited him?

[solid sun]

But why

If they don't even do tank damage you could have instead sold the dungeon to someone and everyone made tons of gold

[frosty mango]

I dunno they were all from azralon I don’t speak Brazilian

[solid sun]

Dratnos had a really funny video where he had a few rants about different things in WoW and this conversation about specs being hard capped but not the best at that target cap made the list

I hope it gets fixed at some point in the near future

[chilly brook]

same

[frosty mango]

I feel like he did ok and granted my damage isn’t low

But 3.5m at 680 is pretty rough for floodgate

[chilly brook]

I mean honestly the problem is just that they nuked fury

[frosty mango]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

they didn't like Fury owning the adds in 2 globals in Nerubar

[frosty mango]

Ya like every tier

Fury is good for one fight

[chilly brook]

and the rest of the kit can't be compensated

[frosty mango]

Immediately nerfed

[chilly brook]

since WW cleave is based on single target

[frosty mango]

I played fury in amirdrassil and got nerfed four times

Tank legendary when

[chilly brook]

I actually really enjoyed S3 fury of DF

[frosty mango]

Yeah me too

Doesn’t change the fact they nerfed it multiple times because of legendary performance lol

[chilly brook]

was a super different but enjoyable playstyle for fury

[slender bison]

Dont worry guys. BL baseline for warr in next expac is gonna be lit. Insta invites

• AM ofc

[frosty mango]

I really wish they’d just get rid of titans grip

[slender bison]

We are so back

[frosty mango]

And make fury 1 handers

[chilly brook]

nah

cringe

[slender bison]

Like FDK?

[lusty grotto]

of all things

you say FDK?

[frosty mango]

lol

Or monk or rogue?

[lusty grotto]

not like "old school fury"?

[chilly brook]

TG/SMF is just cringe

[lusty grotto]

before wrath?

[frosty mango]

Like all kinds of classes can dual wield why is that an argument

[chilly brook]

it just needs to be a transmog

there is 0 gameplay difference between the two

[frosty mango]

Having two 2 handers is dumb and it makes everything difficult because it fucks half our talent tree

Pick one or the other honestly idk

Delete smf or delete tg

[chilly brook]

At least with Frost DK, the argument between 2h Frost and DW Frost has gameplay implications

[chilly brook]

yes delete SMF

[lusty grotto]

i dont know what the logic is with keeping one or the other tbh roid

so i agree