protection

[warm plinth]

Depends on the discord. Links are allowed here

[worldly dust]

kk

[warm plinth]

At least in this channel; not sure about others

[worldly dust]

https://wago.io/HjGj-EoJj

[coarse latch]

I will have to look at it if it's still messed up but hopefully won't be

[lusty grotto]

oh no i dont have that one

[warm plinth]

Is it angry because you're old?

[worldly dust]

I added open world raid recently, you'll have to check the settings for each of these but most are lower

[warm plinth]

Why do you want to adjust view distance

[lusty grotto]

this is the one i used

im not in game

[worldly dust]

😛 nah it's because I transfered like 16 toons to illidan and didn't want to rename like 13 of them 😄

[lusty grotto]

cause it boosts FPS a shitton ghash

[warm plinth]

Ah

that makes sense

[worldly dust]

Yeah, I think I took that one you have and made mine

oh no I didn't

mine does more one sec

You can add more but I cut it back. You can basically auto set anything in that graphics tab. It was just a bit too much.

[warm plinth]

Names are easy!

[worldly dust]

Hell no

All mine are simple

Ângry-class

lol

[warm plinth]

Locksaredumb is only two different toons because I really hate warlock

In actuality, one of them was named something else, but apparently I was logged out of it for too long or something and it flagged me for rename when I leveled it the rest of the way

[lusty grotto]

cool, maybe ill replace the other one

[warm plinth]

And since I was literally logging in to level it, I just got lazy

[worldly dust]

Yeah, if you do and want another feature in it let me know. I had the max fps but then I learned it's bugged recently and was borking peoples FPS so I removed it.

[coarse latch]

There's so much stuff in this game that's bugged, it's crazy

[lusty grotto]

not crazy

the game is massive

its expected

[worldly dust]

Shit, you should get into figuring out how the spells and math work in the game

😄

Yeah this game has to be insanely large. I want to see a data center at some point

Considering so much of it is actually SQL stuff too

[warm plinth]

Oh the other horseshit thing they did @lusty grotto is that pulling shit into the orb back then did not reduce the sanity it granted. I'd much rather have that than being able to use in combat

And that one I have video evidence of

So I know I'm not crazy XD

[sharp gale]

If you want to check stats, watch out about sprocket, he is heavily anti caster

[warm plinth]

I was just looking to see which war spec was higher

[coarse latch]

Not even kidding, for restoration shaman there is a healing totem that heals one person and then another person for 50% of the initial heal, and it's been bugged this whole expansion to heal the other person at 100%. This bug is the only reason why the healing totem is even good

It's insane

[warm plinth]

Considering trying dps visions

[lusty grotto]

on sprocket? its arms

[worldly dust]

Alright back to work, thanks again All 🙂 take care until next time.

[lusty grotto]

arms has better ST than fury

well, had

[warm plinth]

Listen I already had to read it NIm, please don't rub the salt in my sad fury wounds

[lusty grotto]

geating has made it closer

[sharp gale]

Ww OP

[lusty grotto]

Arms ftw

Fury sucks

[sharp gale]

Fuck u

[lusty grotto]

neener neener

[warm plinth]

Man this video was from before I became Dooteranopia. My DH's name is still Demunhuntr

[lusty grotto]

dont worry Happy, i had to fucking fury for stix

[sharp gale]

I have 2 big wep, I win

[coarse latch]

Overall in mythic does fury or arms do better actually?

I'm just a contrarion so I play the less popular spec for DPS which is arms

[lusty grotto]

which made me big sad

arms is more complex so yeah it tends to be less popular

slayer is not easy

[sharp gale]

I don’t worry I’m not a worm who switch spec bc boss

[lusty grotto]

sir, im a mortal striking worm

[sharp gale]

(Yes I was bdk on first 4, Prot on sprocket + reclear of him, then fury)

[coarse latch]

Is Colossus not recommended though for mythic?

[lusty grotto]

for raid?

[coarse latch]

I thought it was on wowhead

For m+

[lusty grotto]

are you talking about Arms?

[coarse latch]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

then yes its colossus all the way

raids its slayer

[warm plinth]

Do you know how big the st difference is

[lusty grotto]

at the start of the season it was massive ghash

[warm plinth]

between the two (since I would need the easy one if I tried dps visions lol)

[lusty grotto]

it has become closer

[coarse latch]

I have to admit that is pretty cool

[lusty grotto]

if easy, just do fury

but colossus arms isnt that hard

[warm plinth]

I don't even really need to do dps visions; I was just thinking about swapping dps for a couple bosses since I'm low geared

[sharp gale]

I had to display 2 best in slots transmog were vastly superior on mug

[warm plinth]

I did a 1 mask carry for a friend and ended up taking quite a bit of sanity damage from trade necro and umbric because I couldn't kill them fast enough as prot

[sharp gale]

(I was among the few ppl who finished the boss, it happens)

[warm plinth]

Idk how that HP compares with 5 mask solo

[lusty grotto]

M+/consistent AOE = Colossus Arms or Thane Fury

ST or few adds / cleave = Slayer for both

[round cliff]

it might be abt the same?

[warm plinth]

Ngl the biggest change I'd love to see in visions is some way to be able to tell the color of the potions without having to hover over them 😦

[lusty grotto]

i dont do colossus arms in raid though, its slayer and if lots of adds i go fury

for stix, i mean

[round cliff]

2 people 1 mask would be a bit over 2x health

[warm plinth]

Red, purple, and black are basically the same fucking color to me in there.

[round cliff]

same as 5 mask

[sharp gale]

I tried 1 run as fury, I leaped as I did as prot and got clapped

[warm plinth]

I'm not 100% sure how it works for tank + dps though

Since the tank hp modifier is -1/3

[round cliff]

theres no modifier in visions

innit

[warm plinth]

There is

I confirmed it still exists just a little bit ago

[round cliff]

so prot has it uniquely easy cuz we do dps dps

[sharp gale]

If it’s like bfa, they become way harder the more people you add

[warm plinth]

Yeah, basically lol

[round cliff]

and its still rly tight

[coarse latch]

Which is kind of funny to me (as a person who knows nothing about slayer) because it's the ST spec for raid but it has a main ability which is just spin your sword around in an AOE fashion

[round cliff]

so i wonder what specs can and cant do it rn

[warm plinth]

I mean you don't actually do dps dps though.

Like a dps will still kill the bosses faster

Which is really the part that needs to happen. Trash is whatever

[sharp gale]

You play which dps spec ?

[warm plinth]

The only reason I'm really considering it is because I'm ~30 ilevels lower than most people trying this

[sharp gale]

A fury posted his 5mask achievement on the other channel

[lusty grotto]

it makes total sense considering Arena

[coarse latch]

I have just been maining prot, but to level up I did arms. And then in the normal raid just to get some gear I did Slayer arms

[warm plinth]

If it's anything like the past, any dps with an okay amount of self healing will do fine

And any caster will be sucking

[round cliff]

fury prob cant pull as big on average, but would get thru bosses faster and can still enraged regen bladestorm thru big packs

yea i can see it

[sharp gale]

Okok, idk a lot about arms I never really tried it

[round cliff]

arms always sucks ass in solo content

[warm plinth]

Like the OG gamer specs were havoc and BM hunter because they both had insane self healing (Havoc for themselves, BM for their pet via leech)

[round cliff]

shitty defensives, no self healing

its tragic

[lusty grotto]

arms is fine

[sharp gale]

Leech used to work with pets? In bfa it didn’t already

[warm plinth]

Ferocity pets have a built in 15% leech

And since BM's damage is all pet, they heal themselves

[sharp gale]

Yes but that heals the pet

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you don't take damage as the hunter

The pet is taking allt he damage

[coarse latch]

Tbh me neither, because my main experience is just leveling up with it. For the raid, I just copied the Slayer build and didn't even read the rotation lol. Just a normal.

I think that Colossus arms is kind of similar in that you want to get your demolish stacks up but there's obviously more differences

[sharp gale]

The pet doesn’t take any spell etc and is Buffy, he tank quests mobs easily anyway tbf

[warm plinth]

Spells will hit the pet, just not the sanity draining spells

Which aren't scary due to their damage anyway

[sharp gale]

Sanity drain mask ahhh

[opal violet]

If I already have heroic HoC and I don't raid, should I spend dinar on Bomb Suit or save it for a myth track pacemaker or something else?

[warm plinth]

but hunters also have feign and turtle for two extra outs

[sharp gale]

I think the stealth is big too for visions

[warm plinth]

Yeah probably true

[sharp gale]

I would invis pot if it was slightly more tight

To kill trashs

But demolish just deletes everything

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I think th eonly place I'd really want to invis, you can't anyway

Which is the start of Mage District

But you can't invis because of the dumb tumors

[sharp gale]

The tumor would break invis I think

[warm plinth]

That being said, fwiw, you can actually ignore the mind tendrils

They drop combat quite quickly if you move out of range

[sharp gale]

The best invis would be Shaw to dodge rogues (idk what is the stealth detection in the area tbf)

I would kill miniboss on the right then invis pot to the other one just before the gates

[warm plinth]

You can sometimes avoid the first 2 hunters if you hug the side as you go through

but it's just RNG

[sharp gale]

I don’t think the 3 more masks will not do anything scary with the % dmg and hp on trashs imo

[warm plinth]

Well if you can do 5 mask now, then the other 3 will basically just be that. And the nemesis mask is arguably more of a help than a hindrance, especially as we get more sanity drain resistance

Because it gives you sanity from elite extermination

[sharp gale]

Yes sanity next week will be nothing, just imagine you will triple at least the time you have to do the vision

[warm plinth]

Yep, and 5 masks will be cake because you can replace multitudes and long night with burned bridge and daredevil

or burned bridge and nemesis actually would be better

[sharp gale]

That’s why I want to do it now, and it’s already Monday, I was busy, need to do this 5 mask run

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm gonna give it the ole college try tomorrow since I'm off work but if I don't, I'm still gonna fall back on the gear excuse

Though I am now at 643 so I'm edging my way up!

[sharp gale]

I did a run after coming back from weekend, I regressed and took frontal from the dwarf area end boss

[warm plinth]

Look at these massive shoulders

basically god tier loot right here

[sharp gale]

Very nice indeed

God I need to do the 4 dungeons quest on 4 char

[warm plinth]

Need is such a strong word

[sharp gale]

I NEED

Im starting gally prog this evening, I need to have strong argument for the post prog mercato

[coarse latch]

Good luck

You got it!

[sharp gale]

NO MORE TANK JAIL PLS

[warm plinth]

Done a few visions the last couple days

[coarse latch]

You're still only like 1/4 to the mount, right? Lmao

Good Lord the grind blizzard has...

[round cliff]

huh

the mount is 40k

[warm plinth]

Nah the mount is 40k

[round cliff]

the other mount is 20k

[warm plinth]

And I already have the 20k mount from BfA

when it was 100k

🙂

[sharp gale]

If someone give me the forum to give feedback, I would gladly post a big Blizz W for the recycling of visions + to ragebait

[warm plinth]

I just think some of the changes they did to them are so subtle that it's annoying they changed them at all

Such as the halved sanity gen if you orb during combat for example

[round cliff]

nah that ones goated

i like that

[sharp gale]

I understood why they nerfed it

Bc you would just fight shit in your orb

And wait TD procc to obliterate the 50 mobs in front of you

I don’t remember how long it took Blizz to target cap TD

[warm plinth]

The patch was released on Jan 14, 2020, and TD was nerfed on March 2, 2020

But it also did a lot more damage (relatively speaking) than the new TD does

Though to be fair, we do only have the lesser enchants at this point

[coarse latch]

Are you banned from the forum or something?

[sharp gale]

It’s been 6 years I didn’t check the forums I’m already confused with the existence of different EU/NA forums

And the only time I used them was to recruit ppl

[coarse latch]

Ohh, yeah, I don't really use them either

[sharp gale]

NA is the most mad one right ?

[coarse latch]

I was just wondering because someone I know and another discord is banned there because he had some choice words with a mod

But so far you don't seem to be a person like that lol

[coarse latch]

I have no clue lol, but probably

[sharp gale]

I never got banned in games except on CoD almost 20 years ago

And League for leaving games

(2 weeks ban)

[warm plinth]

So, this is how the math works out:

Mob HP
Tank Solo 0 Mask - 557k
Tank Solo 5 Mask - 1.25 mil
DPS Solo 0 Mask - 743k
DPS Solo 5 Mask - 1.67 mil
Tank + DPS 0 Mask - 1.38 mil
DPS x2 0 Mask - 1.49 mil

(not a significant mob; just one of the crawling corruption dudes at the start of Cathedral district)

[sharp gale]

But I do type slurs in mails, whisp or Blizz chat

[warm plinth]

I got banned from the Dead by Daylight discussion boards on Steam for a week not too long ago for being disrespectful.

Guy was complaining that he lost "32 pips", which was a result of the monthly grade reset that happens every month on the same day, and multiple people had explained this to him but he kept arguing. I said, and I quote, "Depipping and rank reset are not the same thing. Ranks reset on the 13th of every month. Stop farming awards." Aaaaand banned.

[sharp gale]

Yeah I only type the quickest ban possible to 1 or 2 friends bc I dare them to report me (they know I disappear in 5 sec if they do)

[warm plinth]

So I guess you could say I'm pretty toxic.

Why do you type slurs? 🫠

[sharp gale]

Full write the nword in blue blizzard chat

All caps

[warm plinth]

but why

[sharp gale]

Bc I dare my friend to report me

[warm plinth]

This cat is going to be the death of me

[oblique quarry]

this is a real ass vibe

[warm plinth]

It's fucked right

I mean, idc that people get it cheaper but why couldn't it have cost 20k then? smh

Especially since we had a lot more shit to spend mementos on (corruptions) and had limited entries

[sharp gale]

• my friend has the pass

And French so the sarcasm or irony is more obvious

[warm plinth]

So anyway 5 mask solo tank is actually about 10% less HP than tank+dps 0 mask. That's pretty cool

Makes me feel better about my chances anyway

[sharp gale]

Seems right, 5 masks is 125% and just invoking the helper doubles the hp

[warm plinth]

it's kind of weird though. The dps x2 number matches up with the 743k solo dps but I'm not sure how they figure the tank/dps combo

Because if you add tank + dps, that's 1.3 mil, which is 800k less than what it actually is

[sharp gale]

soon i'm done with dps

[round cliff]

blizz hated alts back then

so they needed a way to keep u on 1 char

[warm plinth]

Fair point lol

[coarse latch]

Why is the spell reflection wa not recommended? I remember reading that somewhere here

[frosty mango]

I don’t think anyone has ever said that

It’s important to understand what can be reflected and what can’t, because if you just press it when the wa pops up without thinking then you may not get max value

[lusty grotto]

i did that, im working on healing

[coarse latch]

Ohhh ok, yeah it makes sense to not use it without thinking. I was just hoping to visually get a sense of the spell and what mobs cast it

[coarse latch]

What healer?

[lusty grotto]

hpal

[coarse latch]

Nice. Smite ur enemies

[sharp gale]

1 on healer left (no group for dps so i did dfc rq)

[next pasture]

is there anything i can do on gorechop to have the punies on my team not get one shot by double leaps?

[ionic fern]

Let them suffer and learn.

[next pasture]

what are they supposed to do? just keep moving?

legit 4 17s and 18s in a row have been bricked at gorechop because of that shit

and at this point i feel like it's my fault because none of the videos i watch have this happen

[chilly brook]

Not get hit

You can dodge it

By moving

I’ve seen a couple of WAs tracking the ability as well so they can know when to move

[earnest cove]

Desynch their casts with ST cc, dodge, don’t stack

[jagged pier]

Because it better to know what to reflect, the weak aura just tell u, u can which is most packs u can reflect something but there are certain tank casts that u want to reflect which sometime immedatly follows something u can also reflect

We saw it alot in df ppl just following the WA and missing the biggest and best spell reflects like delgue in halls which was right after a kncokback u could also reflect

I ahd a fair amount of ppl in my dms asking why they are dying ti deluge while im saying im not, 99% of them were usign the weak aura and reflected the thing before deluge

The weak auras great for if theres lots of mobs im not going to deny that, but u can cover lots of mobs by pressing it on cd anyway

But u really want to keep and eye yourself for the big things u want to reflect and know whej they are coming, if u just follow thw weak aura blindy even when there are lots of mobs u will probably miss the thing u want to actually reflect

[ionic nimbus]

Huge Wall of text, but big W by Jakey. Perfect explanation. Some WAs are like a wheelchair… As Tank it’s very important to learn the whole dungeon with its abilities and adapt your CDs rightfully.

[next pasture]

crashout crashout crashout crashout crashout crashout

[wispy moth]

But can it be a good thing to learn what you can reflect ?
I took a look at the gsheet, but pretty hard to learn. The WA help me to know when spellreflect and what, because I try to seperate filler cast that doesnt really need to be reflected and the most important cast, based on what I experimented and know.
On the WA I can change it and remove cast who doesnt need to be reflected

[sharp gale]

i'm doing a 10 and i'm getting paid with flasks

FLASCHCHEN

[ionic fern]

Get me in on that.

[jagged pier]

Thats what the sheet it for

[grizzled orbit]

hmm in workshop. How do u pull everything without dying

or losing aggro

[woeful trellis]

First pull?

[grizzled orbit]

yea

[quick elk]

been tanking a bit more regularly, im around the 671 ilevel. group is 674-677.
M+ Pulls especially multiple packs, 80% a mob will just run off to a range, or start laying into a melee.
How are you guys keeping aggo on pull. Are you just following the rotation. especially when you don't have your Offensive cds
I cant control what DPS do. so just looking to make sure I'm doing the best i can. After i know I'm doing that, i'll feel fine letting them learn via death.

[grizzled orbit]

same here, losing aggro on pulls, ppl just blast

[ionic fern]

I don't. I've learned that people fail kicks/stuns on bombs.

[woeful trellis]

In Mecha i just, Tell Ppl that they need to be calm before start, i Tell them that my mass taunt is also mass silence and if they dont wait they can Go back to 30 min lfg as dps.

[ionic fern]

Spend a few globals on a pack and move to the next one.

Throw a ravager to a far one.

Be sure to position yourself in a way that you are between the packs you pull and your ranged DPS,so you can clap/revenge.

[woeful trellis]

I had a grp they told me if I dont pull Full Room it doesnt make sense to start 😂

[ionic fern]

Solid.

I did it yesterday 4 times in a +13 and every time they all died to bombs without using stuns.

[quick elk]

I never considered that actually, ill adjust

[woeful trellis]

Yeah I did it normally on two but they wanted it. So I wrote a rotation for stuns 😅 luckily I skilled fear for that run 🙈 cause monk died from a robojump

[grizzled orbit]

whud u change something here

[grizzled orbit]

got a question, i manage to get all those +12 in keys now, what should i buy with my coins?

pacemaker first?

[ionic nimbus]

Charge firstpack, Revenge, Charge left pack, Thunderclap, Shield Charge Middle pack, junp right pack TC and Revenge Spam. Additionally placing Ravagar in the middle because the are Running through it.

[wispy moth]

I removed intervention to take the TC radius upgrade
In spec tree, I remove Ravager to take demo shout cdr with thunderclap and swap the show of force to take mass silence, depend on keys

[wispy moth]

If you don't have it yet, yes.
Pacemaker > tome > mud > bombsuit

[grizzled orbit]

oh damn, i bought a bomb suit first week, didnt notice u only get 1 coin now each week xD

[ionic nimbus]

Would remove indom, not a fan of it. Idk how high you r running, but i see more value in bsv

[wispy moth]

Ah yes, indom for BSV too

Didnt saw it

[elfin ginkgo]

Is a mythic tome better htan a heroic bomb suit for high keys?

[wispy moth]

We'll get 9 coins in the end

[grizzled orbit]

insted o findom, what wud u go

[wispy moth]

Depends on what you call high key x)
Bombsuit is a great def cd, tome give most crit buff and holy damage proc

I almost never use the defensive state

[elfin ginkgo]

pushing higher than ive ever done before 😄

[wispy moth]

BSV

[elfin ginkgo]

but i feel like you are saying bomb suit is at some point necessary

[wispy moth]

Depends on the key I guess, for example in floodgate and ToP, there is a boss dealing a big burst one shot damage that you can't all mitigate with SW and avatar (with immovable object)

For now, i'm only running 12's so I dont feel like I need a defensive trinket (even if i've got cinderbrew one)

[ionic nimbus]

12s Bombsuit is Overkill

Just go full dps

[elfin ginkgo]

My goal is 18s

[wispy moth]

In this case, bombsuit and mud can be a good choice

[round pendant]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1XGM4FfLQ8qVbmv3?fight=11&type=damage-done&translate=true

Proof you don't need bombsuit or mud

:^)

[wispy moth]

Sure x)
I'll only take bombsuit with dinar because I dont raid anymore, and even for this I think i wont because I dont plan to go further than 17

[ionic fern]

How to complete 18s easily with One simple trick!!!

1. Have decent teammates.

You're welcome,enjoy free io.

[unborn island]

Yeah, I'm running 16/17, some keys I don't take Bombsuit and just run tome/pacemaker, others I will take Bombsuit, for some keys (Floodgate/Priory) Bombsuit or Mud is basically necessary past a certain point

[round pendant]

+18 psf in 16 minutes is nuts tho

crazy

oh that's the log upload time nvm

phew

[unborn island]

Was gonna say, I just clicked and saw the DPS numbers and was like 'thats not enough DPS to clear that key in 16 minutes by a mile'

[round pendant]

I just woke up 😴

[wispy moth]

We agree on the fact that the tome is always running in dps mode? Whenever it switch to defensive we use the trinket?

[next pasture]

how to make your healer hate you

pally sacced him, surprised he didn't bop and cancelaura

[round pendant]

I imagine they're a team so it's probably all planned out

I don't like the wars talents tho

indom instead of thunderlord (or even sof)

[unborn island]

Broadly yes, but You can game it a little bit, like, I typically won't switch if a pack is nearly dead or whatever because you get a 'bonus' buff of double crit after switching for like 15s or so, and I prefer to have that extra buff for the start of a pack/when more stuff is alive.

This might work out to fewer overall uses in a dungeon, but I think it would be more impactful like that.

[strong forum]

you do need a shaman tho!

("need")

its heavily recommended tho

rogue also helps tons

[round pendant]

shaman do be nice

[strong forum]

cuz of 3% DR and atk speed slow

[unborn island]

I was planning out how to CD through it on a 16 for my next run and I was thinking - let BSV proc ASAP, then dwarf the next one, then Bombsuit, wall, wall, Bombsuit, wall, cry

[strong forum]

why proc the 3min CD first

[unborn island]

So it's back up for the lust pull

Was my thinking

[strong forum]

ig

and why wall so late

[unborn island]

And if the boss lasts longer than 3 mins I have it back

[strong forum]

wall is a 40sec cd

why use it this late

youre wasting wall uses

[unborn island]

Mm, fair

[strong forum]

youd best use wall, bsv, wall, suit, wall, dwarf, wall, etc

[unborn island]

That's a better option 🙂

Just feel like at some point when I do that I...have no wall left 🙂

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/OBfYbfu.png

[strong forum]

youre using your CDs

we dont have infinite CDs

but damn near infinite

and if youre GIGA BRAIN

you hold avatar for it

[round pendant]

I feel like using dwarf asap is good tho

[strong forum]

which procs 4sec of wall

[round pendant]

since the fight usually lasts longer than 2mins

[strong forum]

so you dont need manual wall

yeah sure if you dwarf early you get it twice in a fight

adjust your wall/demo/avatar cds accordingly

[unborn island]

So that's wall, [x], wall, wall, [Y], wall

[strong forum]

that boss is a pure spreadsheet

[unborn island]

Yeah, it should be

I'm just trying to figure out how to ensure I have some resources left for the next pull

[round pendant]

I've been thinking about using one of those fight timeline addons

to just tell me to press X at Y time

[strong forum]

works

[round pendant]

so I can turn brain off instead of internally screaming at that boss

[strong forum]

you can do, wall, bsv, avatar, dwarf, wall,

if you want your shit to go on cd

and obv if avatar SW is actually enough or not

dunno how much you get fucked by the dot itself

[unborn island]

Pretty hard I think, the initial hit is problematic but it's the dot which is the big issue

[strong forum]

well

the dot is less of an issue when the initial hit isnt as hard

you obv always want SW up before the hit

[unborn island]

That's true, and I'll always have something up for the hit

[round pendant]

hardest part about that boss for me is breaking the habit of just sending demo and ava on cd

[unborn island]

It's just the dot is pretty annoying with a fucking 9-10s duration

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/xqqe2d6.png

this aint so bad

1.5 mil ticks of the dot

this is just natty with SW down

healer just needs to heal

[unborn island]

Yeah, I think there's a reasonable argument that unless the AOE is going out at the same time it should be healable

But I play in pugs so don't wanna risk that 🙂

[strong forum]

you can spellblock the aoe

[round pendant]

shit I just realised demo shout and demolish can both be referred to as demo now

that sucks

[strong forum]

yeah

hence demolish is demolish

and demo is demo shout

and DS is not demo shout either

its defensive stance

or dstance

[round pendant]

[strong forum]

[unborn island]

Not so worried about the AoE damage on me (I do Spellblock it), it's more than the healer can't spam you while big other dam is going out

[round pendant]

you can't spellblock the aoe damage

[strong forum]

[unborn island]

Maybe I've been wasting Spellblock on it then 🙂

[strong forum]

you rite

wtf

[round pendant]

save that shit for the knights

[unborn island]

I know it doesn't work on the magic buster

[strong forum]

blizz really hates warrior

[round pendant]

can't SpB the Divine Judgment initial hit either

[strong forum]

(tbf block deserves hate)

but blizz cant design pwar

so they gotta invent ways to keep us balanced

cuz block is just as inbalanced as it gets xd

[round pendant]

that fight is basically

"let's just fuck over pwar here"

[strong forum]

miniboss aswell

nothing works

except the %DR

[round pendant]

suleyman?

oh

the last one

[strong forum]

yea

[round pendant]

yarp

[strong forum]

fucking dawgshit

[unborn island]

Tbh shield slam not being blockable is kinda BS

[round pendant]

at least we can spell block suleyman's thunderclap

it's something

[unborn island]

Tbh, I had never checked about that and the knight

Guess ive been gimping myself a bit

That pull is never me dying anymore though

Last night I tried it, and while I was gathering the healer stood in Narnia spamming heals, rather than just going right to the corner ><

Sometimes I just dk

[round pendant]

do the dudes even jump on the healer?

I've never had a pug where every single person stacks up

lmao

[unborn island]

Really?

[round pendant]

haven't done any high keys though

I ain't pugging beyond 14

lol

[unborn island]

Tbh the issue wasn't the shooter, it was the first pack, I had shield charge +clapped them, then obviously carried on, one of them just aggroed on the healer because I was busy gathering everything else and he was stood out of range of taunt while I had Suleyman and 12 other mobs wailing on me in a corner

[round pendant]

One time there's just a druid sitting way back so I ping him and he goes "?"

[unborn island]

If the healer has been in the corner/near to me at all it wouldn't have been a problem

[round pendant]

ah yeah

the age-old "I have aggro but I'm NOT going to run towards the tank"

[strong forum]

[elfin ginkgo]

Looking at rallying cry tooltip, it feels really shit. Why do we take it?

[strong forum]

better than nothing

[grizzled orbit]

How do u farm crests? Spam 12s?

[strong forum]

ye

[grizzled orbit]

And u perfer updating current gear or create 681 first?

[strong forum]

uuh both

[grizzled orbit]

Got Shield,wep, wirst created to 681. Shud i upgrade my hero now or just keep craftin

[strong forum]

craft

hero gear is largely whatever

myth gear is what matters

[round pendant]

I like rally

I've saved plenty of people with it

god I hope they don't keep doing the turbo boost shit every season

[wispy moth]

Yup rally is pretty cool and useful

I use it for myself too if LS is on cd

[round pendant]

did two +10 DFCs on my alt healer last night

what is this absurd second pull these pug tanks are doing

[spring mountain]

What are the benefits/dissadvantages of mountain thane lads. is it more defensive?

[wispy moth]

More fluid in the rotation, more rage generation due to mass TC reset. Less burst aoe damage but higher st dps

[wispy moth]

In dfc I'm pull the 3 first pack before first corridor, then the pack on left right after corridor, pulling them in the corner and pray that dps can control and kick xD

[round pendant]

this is what these puggers did

and accidentally caught the patrol each time at a bad spot which pulled a second big boy

abysmal

[wispy moth]

I do the same pull but I really hate this because of the big add who bump the others

And I don't think playing champion spear is really worth for only one bump

[ionic nimbus]

Tbh you won’t catch all mobs with spear and it only covers one knockback (2 when the biggos are synched)

[wispy moth]

Yes that's why I don't play it. So in pug I just take a bm and dk xD

[round pendant]

I think it's an awful way to pull that area

[charred shard]

I was sure the APL in the pins regarding the simulation of Tome of Light's devotion was wrong, so I tried to sim with and without the APL. Turn out the trinket is just quite shit compared to a 658 delve one

Having to do 8 delves for vault to get the best Prot trinket in the game (after Peacemaker) feels quite bad ^^

[round pendant]

Yeah it's good but gl getting it in hero track

dinars should have had delve loot in myth track imo

[charred shard]

Dinars should have never existed in the current state. Dunno why they changed the formula

Only winners are boosting guilds

[round pendant]

still thinking about how my pull was called "weird" when I did this

[unborn island]

Yeah, that's not weird 🙂

[limpid forum]

Hey guys, long time player but short time prot warrior, I have read the wowhead guide and the icy-veins guide, I have SOME experience with Prot, though I would say it's quite limited.
wanted to ask, what are the most common mistakes new or returning Protection Warriors make in Mythic+?
(Rage capping, forgetting to keep Shield Block up, poor use of cooldowns, or anything else you see a lot?)

[round pendant]

it's because we wiped (because people didn't kick the harpoon and the healer got destroyed)

so ofc, blame me

classic

rent free in my head ever since

[woeful trellis]

Not using cds proactive, Holding cds for to Long. Using itf under 16k haste

[charred shard]

Also not using Rallying Cry enough.

[keen vine]

in raid sure, in m+ is probably a mistake to have it talented :))

[wispy moth]

How do you want this room to be pulled ?

[unborn island]

Are you talking about the first or second pull?

[round pendant]

second

[unborn island]

That is how I typically do it, take pull 3 to the yellow blob

[charred shard]

You're talking about Rallying Cry? I currently see most of best M+ pushers in the world with it, and also included in most online class guides (Wowhead, Icy Veins, etc.).
I'd be curious to know what is the alternative

[unborn island]

Bring pull 2 back to the area where you fight the first pull

[wispy moth]

That's what I do too

[warm plinth]

There isn't one. He's not correct.

[unborn island]

I think Yam was confused because you sent the pug route then said you do the same pull? Which was different to what I linked?

[wispy moth]

Ah yeah, i was just looking at the first pull. I'm doing a mix of both of yours. I'm taking the left pack of your second pull to bring it into the thrid

[unborn island]

Think you meant same first pull?

[unborn island]

Think that way adds a big bit of RNG, as the big guy can just stop and do his slam etc? And might aggro the other patrolling big dude or slap other mobs to Narnia

[wispy moth]

Yup, happened sometimes. But did it in 10, never tried in 12 and above

[unborn island]

If it works it's quicker, but I think would add variability

[wispy moth]

I think i'll dont do that

[unborn island]

I mean, I'm not the ultimate expert here, just sharing what i have settled on 🙂

And why I settled on it 🙂

I'm sure the MDI people just pull the whole room onto the boss or something 🙂

[wispy moth]

Sure, I take it anyway, this dung give me some anxiousness cuz of the first pull x)

[wispy moth]

Yes but they're MDI ppl :p obviously they're doing not on the normal way

[limpid forum]

Thanks for everyone who answered, I got another question
Any “trap talents” or abilities beginners should avoid completely?
(Stuff that seems useful but isn’t, or is only for advanced play.)
Any group utility, interrupts, or crowd control you expect beginners to use?

[wispy moth]

If you're using your CD at right time, I think everything's ok

And get most SB uptime, not much wasted rage, good CPM on SS and Revenge for example

[next plover]

Hey everyone is MT viable idc about damage I just want to be tanky

[wispy moth]

You'll be more tanky than col globally. Generate more rage in ST so more dps and defensive output

[cerulean olive]

Hey, i know this has been asked already but, will the fury mountain thane buffs apply to Prot too?

[wispy moth]

Nop, if they specified only arms / fury, there is no change for prot

[cerulean olive]

feelsbad

[wispy moth]

otherwise they'll add in "general class - heroic spec - mountain thane" category

[next plover]

Thank you!

[wispy moth]

Ppl playing col in m+ because big aoe burst with demolish and playing immovable object giving your SW a offensive playstyle and avatar a defensive one

[unborn island]

It's also just more fun 🙂

[warm plinth]

See my nickname. You should also never press Rend (but you do need it talented).

[limpid forum]

oh yeah, I know about those, just made sure I didn't miss anything else (mostly because those kind of things exist)

[wispy moth]

Guide's talent are good to take in hand the spec but I encourage you to track what is played on warcraftlog and try by yourself the changes and understand why we change some talents

Yoda made a good vid about each talent for eack dungeon and explain why

[grizzled orbit]

is it illeagl to sell boost from boosting groups like nova ?

[limpid forum]

for real money? yes

[grizzled orbit]

nah gold

[warm plinth]

No, the community is the illegal part.

[grizzled orbit]

oh

[next plover]

Would you recommend haste crit or haste vers?

[grizzled orbit]

kinda bored today. maybe i should work for more loremaster achivement insted

[wispy moth]

My opinion is : there is no obligation to do it. If there is an offer, there is customer. But can be ethical debatable

But you need to know that boosting is one of the best way to do gold

[wispy moth]

Ilvl above all and then haste crit. Vers when you cant have haste or crit on the slot

For myself i'm playing both crit embelish

Dont play itf (into the fray) below 16k haste (I think it works the same for MT)

[next plover]

Thank you!!

[round pendant]

yeah this is fine

the one I linked isn't because the patrol can absolutely grief you and you end up with pelters + 2 big boys

dunno why people are doing that in 10s lmao

[wispy moth]

Copying simply what they saw without understanding maybe

[solid sun]

I wouldn't change talents because of a Yoda video or some website without asking here first. Maybe that's because I don't trust myself to understand the talent swap without outside assistance, idk

[wispy moth]

That's why I spoke about testing by ourselves and understood why the choice has been made ^^

[warm plinth]

There are not really any talent options outside of a point or two. As long as you're sticking within the base parameters, it really doesn't matter where those two points go in terms of success or failure

[solid sun]

Unless I misunderstood what you typed, you talked about testing by yourself. You also mentioned the yoda video and I know at least one talent he suggested as being significantly better than what we normally take, after testing was done here, that didn't turn out to be true at all

So to hammer it home, asking here is the way to go

[warm plinth]

Are you talking about the whole BrV/FbV thing

[solid sun]

Yeh

[warm plinth]

Gotta love it

[round pendant]

weren't the numbers a bit more in favour of FbV when we found out that BrV doesn't work with demolish

[solid sun]

Both talents are bugged iirc

And it's closer than we thought, but BrV won out

Whereas the hero of the video said FbV was far and away the best

That was the last summary of events I saw posted here

[round pendant]

yoda does like to give bad pwar advice

he's improving tho

[wispy moth]

Yeah for sure !

Just talk about the vid to look on what you can possibly want to swap talent

BrV is the talent healed you based on deep wound damage ?

Or I confond

[round pendant]

that's FbV

BrV is 10% of your damage becomes IP value

[frosty mango]

Tbf (not in anyone’s defense) - I don’t think it really matters

Like no healer is ever gonna notice

[round pendant]

yeah it's whatever

just yoda said FbV was "way better" or something along those lines so we had a bunch of people going OMG FBV SLEPT ON???

[frosty mango]

I wasn’t a fan of it because imo content creators, especially very popular ones, should be aware of the impact of their spotlight

[warm plinth]

[frosty mango]

You have a responsibility to use that properly and saying authoritative shit that is objectively wrong is dangerous to the greater community - it’s not like it’s an issue this time but what if he was like “yes everyone should play thane, permanently”

[warm plinth]

I hated that whole thing because not only is it a needless discussion, but that node is the last one anyone should be losing sleep over lol

[wispy moth]

Ah yes, i confond both. I tried FbV, i'm not really an enjoyer, I'm seeing my IP fell so fast. But I guess the healing is pretty good.
Maybe i'm doing to much low key to really appreciate it

[warm plinth]

FbV is worse objectively, but the point is that that node is already inconsequential. It's a required node, and there isn't a big enough difference between the two for it to matter at all. So anyone making a big deal over using one or the other is just weird.

[wispy moth]

Yes that's why I told earlier to someone to test before anything else. Your own appreciation, skills, content etc indue what you need most and what you prefer

[frosty mango]

I think it’s fine to trust things like wowhead, or class discord theorycrafters

They have a reputation as class leaders who provide solid, data backed info

[wispy moth]

Yes obviously

But I came from others class discord where the only answer is "Sim yourself" xD took the habits

[frosty mango]

Tbf thats basically what we all say here

With a few exceptions

[round cliff]

people dont believe this for whatever reason and it pisses me off

i have a select view guildies who do nothing but look at archon and im like

[frosty mango]

lol

[round cliff]

do u even know why u pick those talents

[frosty mango]

Well archon is a great tool but you have to understand how it works

And if it applies to you

[solid sun]

I didn’t like that specific point from Yoda because to me it seems pretty dismissive of the guides. “Yeah those idiots think this is good but actually this one is waaaaaayyyyy better” type beat, even if that’s just an auxiliary effect of the point made in the video

[frosty mango]

Not worth it to speculate on that front imo

Yoda gonna have an army of mouth-frothing prot wars from skyhold in his twitch chat next stream spamming “brv > fbv”

That was sarcasm don’t do that

[compact oriole]

How do we get the second dinar quest on alts?

[solid sun]

I don’t really see it as speculation. People already can be distrusting of the guides/class discord.

If I watch a video of a skilled tank with a following telling me to use a talent the guide writers aren’t telling me to use, telling me it’s significantly better than what I had been using and he’s using it to do content much more difficult than what I’m struggling with, it isn’t a particularly big leap to trust his experience and then follow that up by wondering what else the guide is wrong about

[frosty mango]

Same place as the first

Hanging on the wall outside bank

[dark barn]

For defensives purposes: myth ringing of ritual mud or heroic bomb suit?

[solid sun]

Mud is better in priory and floodgate

Otherwise Bombsuit iirc

[dark barn]

Thanks

[compact oriole]

I looked after i completed the first but it wasn't there ill check again later on today thanks

[sharp gale]

It made me think I calmed down on helping ppl bc I make them quit wow

At least 2 I can think just disappeared when they discovered the mountain they needed to climb

[round pendant]

I feel like I live in an alternate reality

I don't think learning to play 1 spec and the basics of wow (movement, kicks, cc) is that much of a mountain

but everyone acts like wow is giga hard to learn

[round cliff]

same reason why people act like fighting games are hard to learn

u have to go out of ur way to find info and thats a monumental task

for dummies

[warm plinth]

Kind of depends on background. If you're used to playing single player RPGs where things are spelled out for you as you go along, I can see how a game like WoW would be very overwhelming, since WoW does not do very well at explaining anything past the absolute basics of putting something on your bar and casting it.

[round pendant]

Yeah I guess

[warm plinth]

Like, I started playing WoW in late 2006. If I had never played it and tried to come back right now, I would probably not stick around.

Well, tried to start right now (as in for the first time)

[round pendant]

At least they're actually pretty hard to do well in to justify the reputation of being hard

like getting better at a fighting game is way harder than getting better at wow imo

[warm plinth]

It's not the complexity though; it's just the sheer amount of shit going on. You go in and you have the leveling process which is very simple. Kill things, do quests, do a dungeon here or there maybe. But then you hit max and all of a sudden you have delves, you have radiant echoes, you have campaign quests, you have raid, you have Mythic+, you have visions, you have weeklies, you have bonus events

[round cliff]

its easier to get good enough at a fighting game to climb out of metal ranks than it is to go from fresh lvl 1 to 3k io

imo

[warm plinth]

You hit max level in this game and there's just this barrage of shit you've never heard of before you dinged 80

and it's impossible to know where to start

[round pendant]

yeah idk there's too many different fighting games to really say

I don't think that's true for tekken but I'd agree for like sf6

[round cliff]

thats unavoidable in a sense tbf unless u want to railroad people through fresh 80

[solid sun]

And the game also does a pretty poor job of just like telling you what's going on, on your screen.

So many times people die and just have absolutely no idea why lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah, so then you have to know about the existence of addons or weakauras because the game is shit at telling you what's important (though I will say, it's gotten a LOT better this expansion with improved visuals)

[round cliff]

tekken is a bit fucked and so is melty and uni

[round pendant]

I think just how long we've been playing games also matters. Back in the day games just didn't spoonfeed anything to you so you were kinda forced to look things up in order to learn and improve AND there was way less resources

[round cliff]

but for streets or gear its def easy to onboard someone whos willing to learn

or give them granblue and tell them to 66l and now theyre max rank

[warm plinth]

Well the game didn't need to spoon feed you in 2005

Because it was level, then raid

[round pendant]

so I think I just kept the habit of just looking things up rather than hoping the game will explain it to me

[warm plinth]

And maybe a world event or two

That you did not have to do

Now it's level, then 800 things at once

[solid sun]

Yeah it's a totally different world today than it was in 05 on Azeroth

[round pendant]

like I was bad at wow in wrath and cata (only played for a month in both btw), then in Legion I got good enough for aotc and a bit of mythic prog

then I came back in DF

I'm not some 20 year vet on this game

never felt like anything was too complex or hard (other than Outlaw rogue, fuck that spec)

[charred flame]

if I craft a 681 arms weapon, will that make my prot weapon upgrades free? or no

[round cliff]

i looove outlaw

[round pendant]

I like it too

I just hate specs that require me to play at 80% effort for like 20% of the results

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean, at a certain point, how easy or hard something is to grasp will be subjective. But I'm just saying that it's understandable to be overwhelmed with how overloaded the game is with different types of content at max level, most of which are barely relevant when new, but won't seem that way to a new player.

[round pendant]

I agree wow's onboarding is awful

chromie time is a failure imo

[warm plinth]

Like I can hit 80 and be like oh this or that is useless so I can skip that. But a new player would be like oh I need to do that, and that, and that

[round cliff]

chromie time is better than it was

unless u wanna go the ffxiv route of "you get so little xp from everything you have to do the full storyline of every expac"

which wouldnt work

[mighty valley]

i don’t think onboarding was the goal of chromie time, it was more about mixing up leveling alts for longtime players

[round pendant]

Scaling and difficulty is fucked all the way until M0

[round cliff]

chromie time was explicitly stated to be for onboarding

[warm plinth]

Chromie Time isn't available until you've leveled a toon though so it's not relevant to a brand new player.

[round cliff]

damn im making shit up then

my b

[warm plinth]

You have to have leveled a character to 50 before Chromie Time is unlocked

[mighty valley]

lmao

[warm plinth]

I think you're thinking of Exile's Reach

Which honestly is a pretty good zone

[round pendant]

I don't know the exact order in which things happened since I wasn't around

but the levelling experience is just completely cooked

[mighty valley]

yeah — regardless leveling was in an awful place before, when you outleveled each zone in a few quests

[warm plinth]

Chromie Time isn't a failure; it does exactly what it's supposed to do

Which is to allow a different leveling experience if you want it

[round cliff]

meanwhile i dont use it while leveling alts until lvl 35 because its technically inefficient

[warm plinth]

It's not an onboarding tool. It's for those of us who bitched that leveling was the exact same thing every single time

[round pendant]

When did they add like all the scaling stuff?

[sharp gale]

I don’t’ think it is that much of a mountain too, but maybe imagine the realization everything you did was wrong (and you play wow since release), one of the two I’m referring to, I think he was obviously overwhelmed + truly sad/traumatized by réalization he is bad until he talked to me

[warm plinth]

Scaling like the world scaling?

[round pendant]

like, everyone from level 10->70 can all queue into the same instance

and the content is completely trivial and you level up way too fast to learn your abilties or how to actually play

[warm plinth]

Shadowlands I think

[round pendant]

never once do you have to kick, cc, etc

[sharp gale]

Yes and you still have the quest scaling option no ?

Where you go down to your friend lvl

[warm plinth]

Party sync was in BfA

But is kind of pointless, and was never very good

[sharp gale]

I saw party sync tips when I logged rn

[round pendant]

does 1-70 as a new player actually finish all of DF?

[warm plinth]

The big failure of party sync is that it doesn't make all quests repeatable, only certain ones

So you'd try to quest with your buddy and they'd have 10 quests but you'd have like 5

[round pendant]

yeah it's scuffed lmao

[sharp gale]

Did they nerfed quest exp from the past ? The only time I exp with no dungeons was when you needed to do every expac in order

[round pendant]

Like the speed in which you progress towards max level and then say you're new and want to get into m+

you can basically wing it and get to like m6s without learning anything

and that's why low keys are a shitshow imo

[sharp gale]

Spam dungeon or quest and be a butterfly ?

[warm plinth]

Dungeon spamming is a boring and overrated leveling method, don't @ me

[sharp gale]

Yep I would never say to spam dungeon to someone new

[round pendant]

I like it

Questing is fast nowadays too

exile's reach is 30-45 minutes, DF is what, 10 hours?

[sharp gale]

I will not hide 20 years of expac from a new player by pre-assuming he don’t like it

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I like that for new players, you still have to go as far as what...like BFA?

before you can change anything

50 is BFA right

[round pendant]

I thought DF is the new player starting expac now?

[sharp gale]

No it doesn’t exist anymore the every expac order

You do 1 expac with chromie

(Idk if it’s enough)

And then you choose another one I guess when you are done / or when you want to discover

[warm plinth]

The default leveling experience is classic/cata

Once you've hit level 50 on one toon, then you can use Chromie Time and do Dragonflight from 10-70 if you wanted

1-70*

[sharp gale]

Oh okok

[round pendant]

I still think the best thing for the game would be slowing it down and making the content slowly introduce you to more and more difficult mechanics

[warm plinth]

But you can go to any zone pretty much. I think that era is only divided into two sections. Some zones are 1-70 and some are 35-70

[round pendant]

teach players about kicking casts, CCing channels

make world mobs dangerous (like classic-tier)

make dungeons just give more xp but take longer and require thoughtful pulling/etc

delete lfr and normal difficulties

[sharp gale]

Nop

Leave lfr and normal

[warm plinth]

Why would we do that o_O

[round pendant]

what do they provide

[warm plinth]

Gameplay for a fuckload of players XD

[round pendant]

LFR is gameplay?

[warm plinth]

For people who only do LFR, yes

[sharp gale]

Content, not for you, but still content for 70%

[round pendant]

alright alright I concede, keep Normal

[mortal cypress]

Its challenging for me

[sharp gale]

I am a challenged person

[warm plinth]

Just by being in this channel you're probably already above the average player

[round cliff]

doubt

im only 3k io

[mighty valley]

i don’t think they’re optimizing leveling for actual new players because they’re massively outnumbered by people leveling alts

[pallid quiver]

The reason classic mobs are dangerous are because you have no real ability to play whatsoever for the large majority of the game while having tons of your survival tied to gear you don't have

[warm plinth]

3k io is miles above average

[round cliff]

3k io is shitter tier

unfort

[sharp gale]

You are a stinker at wow if you are here, it doesn’t say something about your skill

[round pendant]

I'm saying the only reason the average player is so "bad" is because the game doesn't force you to learn ANYTHING

[warm plinth]

Dang I got distracted and missed Taco bell breakfast

[charred flame]

i mean people pay up to like 3500io

so its all a little worthless

[round pendant]

and so when you do decide at max level you want to learn how to be gooder

[pallid quiver]

This mindset diminishes the efforts of other people, and also ties into why people think games are hard. Of course it's hard if you think it's only worth doing something if you're get to the top 1-5% of people

[round pendant]

you're like "well I've already put all this time into the game and I've gotta do all THAT?"

[warm plinth]

The number of people actually paying their way to 3500 is inconsequential

[sharp gale]

Someone that pay a key boost where they need to play are better players than 3k io

[warm plinth]

Like sure, it probably happens, but who cares

[round pendant]

most people in LFR I see are just semi-afk for the chance at tier pieces or whatever

I don't think people really do LFR for gameplay?

[warm plinth]

They do

Just not those people

[pallid quiver]

More than a few people play through LFR to experience the content and do, in fact, press buttons

[warm plinth]

Like yeah a lot of people do it just to get easy starting tier or w/e

But it's a way to go in and do the raid with other players without having to worry about forming a group or learning complex mechanics

[pallid quiver]

There's also people who are skill gatekept by LFR, as well.
though most of those people are stuck there because they have some real problems

[round pendant]

but yeah idk

I feel like everyone would benefit if the game wasn't just braindead outside of 2 pieces of content

Normal imo isn't much harder than lfr

[warm plinth]

The new player leveling experience should be VERY handholdy though. Like you said, teach people how to kick, why CCs are important, diminishing returns, that spell priority exists, etc. And when people hit max level, there should be a splash screen that tells them the actual relevant content of the day, not whatever shit was relevant at the start of the expansion.

And they should be able to keep that splash screen available to them with a button click so they can refer to it

[round pendant]

Yeah but to learn you have to do, if the content can just be steamrolled all the way through 10-80 then you just won't retain any knowledge

[sharp gale]

It is also true

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but they can do that. We have follower dungeons that can put them in real situations

[round pendant]

I ain't saying normal dungeons should have insane CC/kick requirements or dps checks but

[warm plinth]

You can incorporate mechanics like that into quests

[round pendant]

something

[sharp gale]

Healers don’t learn until there is damage on the group, dps doesn’t learn to dodge when it doesn’t kill, no one learns when the tank rush the dungeon

[round pendant]

I think story mode raids are a good idea for the people who just want to experience the story

[sharp gale]

You know there are guilds and groups that do lfr for fun

[warm plinth]

Yeah, so you incorporate it by having some very telegraphed/announced mechanics and as you level and do higher level things, the telegraphs are less pronounced, the announcements go away

[round pendant]

LFR doesn't teach the raid, Normal should be the minimum for "real" raiding I'd say

[warm plinth]

What's real raiding

[round pendant]

Requiring people to do mechanics

[warm plinth]

Isn't it already? That's the point

[round pendant]

not a gatekeepy "it's not real unless it's hard enough"

[warm plinth]

LFR is like 1 mechanic per boss

[sharp gale]

Ppl doing LFR doesn’t want to real raid in the first place whatever it means, LFR existing doesn’t affect you unless you do LFR

[warm plinth]

Yeah removing content because you personally don't do it is not the way

[pallid quiver]

nuh-uh, it does, because if they aren't funneled into raid then how can i show how much better i am than them, my self-esteem depends on it

[warm plinth]

It's not harming anything and enables people to do things they otherwise wouldn't get to do.

[sharp gale]

They don’t want lfg of raids for example

[pallid quiver]

i gotta show how massive my 50k dps is on fisrt boss undermine

[warm plinth]

I'm up to 60k now, tyvm

[sharp gale]

They just want to hit dummy target that moves with a skin

[pallid quiver]

i can't believe he's using cheat engine

[round pendant]

I feel like it just does nothing for anybody, story mode is a better idea for just experiencing the raid (even tho currently it's only the last boss, which is dumb)

follower raids would be good for story players, with checkpoints

you can go at your own pace rather than the scuffed shitshow that is lfr

[warm plinth]

It's not just about the story. People who dont' give a fuck about mechanics or the raid experience and literally just want the story will do story mode

LFR is so you can have the raid experience without the raid difficulty

[round pendant]

I guess I just don't see how it's even remotely a "raid experience"

[warm plinth]

It's not for you, but it is for a lot of other people

[sharp gale]

And so you can play with a lot of other ppl / compared to follower

[atomic light]

Guys I lit just started tanking on prot, sorry if theres a better place for this question but whats the reccomended first purchase with the dinars?

[warm plinth]

There is a priority list in the wowhead guide if you wanna take a look there

[atomic light]

Will take a look, cheers

[round pendant]

No one socialises in lfr, it's just rush to the bosses and win and get loot maybe

it's so far detached from being a raid that I don't get it

I'm out of touch

[sharp gale]

Even if you don’t talk to other ppl, being with other ppl is socializing

[warm plinth]

You're getting to play with real people in a full team of people. I've done entire normal and heroic raids without saying a word to anyone too so idk

That's not really a benchmark of anything for me

And again, you don't need to want it and you don't need to get it. The point is why are you removing something that other people DO want and DO get.

Even if you don't understand why they do

[round pendant]

I feel like it just fails even at what you're saying it's good for

maybe I'm wrong, maybe I just don't get it

but yeah that's just my opinion

[warm plinth]

But you're just feeling that it's failing. It actually isn't failing.

[sharp gale]

It can be better for sure but it’s not failing

[round pendant]

it was only 1 out of 4 things I suggested

[warm plinth]

I agreed with you on a couple of them but that one was like no, why XD

[sharp gale]

What’s your thought about delves ? Bc it is a success with these players

[warm plinth]

I think delves are great, and I barely do them. They're like the old school scenarios but actually good.

[round pendant]

I don't like Delves

But I don't think they're bad content outside of just not being my thing

[warm plinth]

I should probably do more delves tbh though since I can actually get upgrades from them 😅

[ionic fern]

Slacker.

[warm plinth]

I'm not slacking Mwahi!

[sharp gale]

But yam can you accept that they love delves ? They are the audience for this content

[warm plinth]

I've been busy!

[ionic fern]

No idea what that is.

[round pendant]

They're SOMETHING to do and the bosses and stuff have mechanics and whatnot

[warm plinth]

Lots and lots of horrific visions

[round pendant]

and you get looties and they don't take too much time

[ionic fern]

😂

[warm plinth]

How are you my friend?

[round pendant]

I need to do the visions

[ionic fern]

Good, slacking.

How about you?

[warm plinth]

Not too bad, enjoying a nice day off work due to government holiday

[ionic fern]

What are you celebrating?

[warm plinth]

Dead soldiers, to put it bluntly

[sharp gale]

Ww2 stuff

[ionic fern]

Oh.

[warm plinth]

Memorial Day, aka the first excuse to have a barbecue of the year

[sharp gale]

Sunny days are not enough ?

[warm plinth]

Yeah but then you gotta do them on the weekend

Memorial Day is always on a Monday

I'm just being stupid about it. For most people it's just a day off work

[sharp gale]

Nah it’s BARBECUE DAY

[round pendant]

wait if we get ww3 do we get more holidays?

[warm plinth]

For people who have relatives who were in the military who passed, I imagine it's more important

[sharp gale]

So big W

[warm plinth]

It's not actually specific to WW2 lol

[sharp gale]

Oh yeah about that I also have family but it’s grand parents and they were in both sides

So it’s weird to me

[sharp gale]

I know, it’s just as french I can only relate to that far

[round pendant]

we need more wars to get more holidays

[sharp gale]

I think there is a « job period » with wars

[warm plinth]

This is basically what Memorial Day is for. Arlington National Cemetery is where people who died while in service or retired after a military career, are buried (or well, where they are allowed to be buried if they so choose)

[sharp gale]

That’s exactly like the Americans memorials in France, they are something to see 100%

[warm plinth]

I need to decide what to eat

Am hongry

[sharp gale]

My favorite barbecue food is called a schwenker (we just say schwenk), it’s marinated pork steak

[warm plinth]

I'd fuck one of those up right now

[sharp gale]

But it is very local so might be hard to find, even in the rest of France or Germany they don’t know wtf it is

We also eat barbecue white sausage

[ocean smelt]

As a French I can confirm I have no idea wtf a schwenker is

[jagged pier]

borgeir

[sharp gale]

It’s just idk what part of pork in a steak marinated for 24h

[ocean smelt]

Looks pretty good

[coarse latch]

i just did a ml 2 with 20 deaths lol

steep learning curve for me

we did time it.. by 12 seconds

[toxic pewter]

Prot warr being played by china in mdi

[round cliff]

fucking lightning strike fried my ethernet port

i get a surge protector for my pc and lightning finds a way to kill things anyways

[coarse latch]

U been thunder clapped

[chilly brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/405827164655583233/1376621263996321802/image.png?ex=6835fdf5&is=6834ac75&hm=13a1e425d7f7d89e8dbe4bfe50b4420dd4eda2c14941ff349701a007b5d6adae&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=496&height=76

8 deaths

kill me

DK wiped whole group at start of the dungeon because his pet went and attacked the boss

[oblique quarry]

rip in peace

[unborn island]

Sadge

[idle copper]

ToP - the idea is to stack for a lot of it yep, carnage wing etc?

[unborn island]

Depends which minibosses

[idle copper]

They little leaping mobs in carnage is there a reason not to stack for them?

[lucid mica]

Yeah you should all be stacked or at least close so they don't jump to narnia

[chilly brook]

they deal aoe damage where they land iirc

[idle copper]

So not a good idea on a 13?

[chilly brook]

probably fine

[idle copper]

Little green souls , cant pull them with the portal guardian at 13?

[chilly brook]

why not? I do it in 16s

[idle copper]

The big los pull when you intially port down

[round cliff]

do it

[idle copper]

ive just run 2 and groups wiped

13s

im just kinda checking tbh, people seem to not be bothering to stack or los

i usually just do 12s bit thought id kick on and 13s feel like the new 9s, people not doing basic stuff

[chilly brook]

because lots of the bottom rung of players are trying higher keys with ilvl increase

[round pendant]

I am going to make a WA that every time I dodge it plays the first note of the ultra instinct theme

[sharp gale]

it's time

[frosty mango]

The souls don’t do anything if you cc them

So there’s no difference between with or without the guardian

[chilly brook]

actually so close to 2 chesting lmao

[idle copper]

Its painful to watch when doing 13s and people stand in the doorway or in line of site of doorway and are not bunching them up

seems like a basic thing to have learned by then

[wispy moth]

Get back on this, in France we've got special vacation date based on the end of each war 😄

[wispy moth]

Oh really met another frenchie here xD glad to see that

[wispy moth]

Based

[wispy moth]

Mythic progress?

[sharp gale]

YEP

[wispy moth]

I did it in 12 and pretty easily, so I guess you can too above key. Depends if you're doing in pug or pre-made I guess? If everybody is using their cc, it can't go wrong

[wispy moth]

Ha gl hf then!
Best pull so far?

[sharp gale]

it's the first night

[wispy moth]

Oh

Pretty long road then :p enjoy it

[shadow jewel]

i got a question if anyone can explain more so they say thane is geting a buff does that make thane for prot more viable and competitive?

or was that just somehow a buff just to the fury thing

[wispy moth]

There is no MT buff for prot badly

Only for fury

[shadow jewel]

meh ill pray they mess up and buff it somehow anyways its blizzard in the end

[wispy moth]

You can play MT if you really want to you kniw

[slender bison]

Thane is competitive today. Or are you doing 18s?

[wispy moth]

The spec still viable and playable

[shadow jewel]

nah im in the 15s and starting to get in to 16s just idk did not even try thane this time around

[wispy moth]

Try it and see it :p

[errant shell]

have you considered having fun with the game that youre playing

[slender bison]

Just get Thane with Phys comp, it will be all right

[shadow jewel]

am no im playing wow

[wispy moth]

Why specifically physic comp?
Never really played Mt so maybe I miss an information

[shadow jewel]

that aint the most easy thing to do lmao

[shadow jewel]

same but warrior in general with physical comp is feeling nice

[slender bison]

If you wanna play Thane but have FOMO Colossus 5000% damage, get a WW monk in group and it's done

People don't know what's fun anymore, meta hivemind all day

[wispy moth]

Oh OK, not specially full phys just need a monk

I'll give a try to MT because I like the fluidity of the spec

But really like the demolish burst x)

[wispy moth]

Anytime there is a competition, even when it small as it can be

[slender bison]

you'll never be better than a VDH even with Colossus, so just have fun

[shadow jewel]

same here i was just asking about thane the demolish hits are fabulous

[solid sun]

Mountain Thane is less fun and does less damage. Has nothing to do with hivemind anything, Cluster.

[slender bison]

This season at least

[solid sun]

I’m better than every VDH I know

Owned

[slender bison]

Was talking about "competitive" aspect when key hunting

[solid sun]

“You’ll never be better than a VDH”

[paper crypt]

It's the pareto principle in action

[solid sun]

Ez

[slender bison]

"You'll never be better than a VDH" - in the mind of a guy listing 16s+

I wasn't talking about the person

[paper crypt]

Doesn't prot top out at +16? That's what it says on archon

[slender bison]

Dude, just go sign for keys, see the invite rates 🙂

[unborn island]

Lol no - I'm doing 16s and I'm not even good

[solid sun]

lol

[paper crypt]

I'm a lot lower level (have not done any 10s yet, maxed out at 9) but it's hard to get invited even down here

[unborn island]

invites are always hard at any level

pugging through the key levels, I basically don't get invited until I've only got 1 or 2 left to do

have to deplete my own keys a bunch of times before then

[paper crypt]

😢

Feels bad getting declined from the only keys you can do for score because you've capped lower level ones

[unborn island]

usually it's priory and meadery, weirdly with 16s meadery was the first one I got

[paper crypt]

Like dude I do not want to inch my way up can you relax

[unborn island]

I mean I can understand why people do it, you want the best chance of success in your run or you have to go back to a homework key, which just feels bad.

do you not pick the highest score/gear people?

[paper crypt]

Yes I know that people wait to get carried by 3ks especially with the turbo boost

But as a fairly new player I want to keep progressing to be satisfied with the game

So

[unborn island]

the options are to build a group through guild or whatever, play your own keys, or wait out the pugs unfortunately

[shadow jewel]

yeah that was insanly fun to do in 12s when a guy lists it with 650 ilvl 💀

[unborn island]

and I think even if you play VDH/Disc/Boomie/UHDK/Arcane mage they'd still have the problem levelling keys

[slender bison]

All I wanted to say is this MT vs Collosus is bullshit. You're still getting Declined after 15s unless you're ahead the curve as PWarr. Before the item level spike it was 13/14s

So get a phys group of randos and push. Or unsub

[paper crypt]

I have a balance druid who gets invited faster than my fury even though the fury has higher score, higher ilvl, better parses, and more utility

[shadow jewel]

its not that bad holy

[coarse latch]

just to clarify, on ml azerok do we fight the enraged guy? that will give me aggro on it and i will have to kite it around - and were not supposed to let it touch us right?

i mean us specifically ik dps focus it down

[slender bison]

Different continents, different realms probably

[paper crypt]

I enjoy the game. I just don't enjoy elitism at a level where it isn't needed. I'm all for people doing their elitism in mythic raiding, races, mythic+ high keys, etc

[chilly brook]

Crazy cuz I just got into a 17

[shadow jewel]

send pic or fake 😡

[chilly brook]

Ok

[paper crypt]

Gambing

[wispy moth]

Gg!

[chilly brook]

gaming

[shadow jewel]

nah im just messing you dont need to

[slender bison]

My thane is bigger than yours

[chilly brook]

Ret is actually insane

[shadow jewel]

was just joking but true i dont have much trouble geting in to keys as well its not crazy fast ofc but still its nothing to annoying

[chilly brook]

I'd be very surprised if I didn't get into the last two 16s I need without too much waiting

was 2 points off of 3400 with 2 16s left before the 17

[shadow jewel]

pala popped i see

[wispy moth]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-michael-scott-thats-what-she-said-gif-20446601

[shadow jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-prot-warrior-tbc-wow-chad-class-gif-24723206

aaverage prot wari enjoyer

[slender bison]

We are so back vs it's so over depends on next expansions rework (BL, delete Rally wink wink)