Ohh love quazii I'll try it tomorrow thanks
#protection
coarse latch
lusty grotto
actually this one is more recent i gotta recheck my settings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFpHIAe_MS4
coarse latch
I've often wondered why I have to change to 1080P in raid. I have a 4070 super and 7800x3d
Like it should be more than powerful enough to play wow
lusty grotto
cause wow still runs on 1 cpu
and its cpu bottlenecked
its not multithreaded
also you shouldnt swap to 1080 ever
coarse latch
Ahhh
lusty grotto
thats fucking wild
im on a 3070ti
and a 5900X
my brother runs 3070 natty and a 5600
0 issues
coarse latch
Hmmm I don't know. 2K raid is so laggy. I don't really track FPS tbh but it's probably like 20
I don't have any issues anywhere in the game other than raid
Thanks for the video though. I will definitely do what he recommends
lusty grotto
we run in 2k since
3 expansions ago
im on 2k since my previous rig which is about 4-5 years ago
round cliff
getting fucked by umbric is my favorite pass time
do i just have to let the polymorph go thru to be able to kick missiles
lusty grotto
hug walls
coarse latch
Lol before this computer I had a GTX 750 TI, I wasn't playing back then
lucid rapids
If I'm a heroic gamer only. should i get titan of industry first?
lucid rapids
yes i can?
lucid rapids
what should i just my first chip on then?
round cliff
not a heroic piece lol
lusty grotto
can you do all 12s?
lucid rapids
not currently new to tanking
lusty grotto
you should hold then
lucid rapids
okee dokee
lusty grotto
there's nothing you should buy
lucid rapids
❤️ ty for your help!
lusty grotto
your only options are
heroic HoC which you can get from raid anyway
and heroic bomb suit
thats about it
if you cant get any further progress
heroic jastor might be an option as well
round cliff
https://litter.catbox.moe/r9bkwn.mp4 many men would call this pull unreasonable i think its efficient
round cliff
i thought u got the guards when u double back
coarse latch
https://litter.catbox.moe/r9bkwn.mp4 many men would call this pull unreasonable ...
Being a tank is so fun!
lucid rapids
ooh what about the "tome of lights devotion"?
round cliff
you dont buy hero pieces w/ dinar end of story
lucid rapids
Ty prot head!
round cliff
wdym i did mostly that except i didnt care for the buff
if ur leaving out towards trade district are u not wasting tons of time doubling back to start rp
more time than is saved
lusty grotto
you go to start RP then clear to the other entrance so no
round cliff
yea but walking slow
lusty grotto
so mount
lusty grotto
yes
round cliff
bruh
this 5 mask shit about to be so easy
this was the critical information
my ass has been walking. everywhere
round cliff
yes
litemount wasnt letting me mount in there 😭 so i thought u just couldnt
litemount been shitting the bed lately idk why
lusty grotto
litemount works for me
round cliff
i push it it says "you cant mount here"
must think im trying to g-99
should i set it up differently
no wait, g-99 would say you're in the wrong zone
so why wont litemount work 🤔
lusty grotto
idk i havent touched that
round cliff
wtf do u use litemount for then
lusty grotto
but it works for me
i wanted a better way to have randomized favorites
i installed litemount like 5 years ago
or more
round cliff
same
echo egret
I'm still struggling to kill stuff fast enough to not use my 2nd orb before Shaw... 672, is that normal ?
round cliff
pull big in trade district without forgetting u pulled a tentacle and getting stunned challenge
impossible
echo egret
I pull the whole church district, then the whole dwarf area
echo egret
I usually arrive at dwarf boss with 160 sanity
then if I don't get a potion, I need an orb midway after 1st dwarf quarter boss
round cliff
damn good to know lol
😭
dont let that mf summon
shouldve just went in with coolies and killed him faster tho
elfin ginkgo
Yeah! Which one of these should i pick first? I don't have any of those on mythic or heroic
round cliff
damn getting to shaw without using 2nd orb IS hard
i wonder where im losing the most time
or if its just elite extermination diff
wonder if i need to find more potions somehow
dusty grove
anyone got any tips for the 2nd boss in ML?
round cliff
2nd? u have next to 0 responsibility
dusty grove
i feel like i don't get lucky with parry/dodges im getting absolutely cooked by the bleeds
ionic nimbus
send demolish on every big add, the rest is up to DPS
quick tendon
Slam and Whirlwind arent used as Prot correct?
earnest cove
If you mean Shield Slam and Revenge then yes
quick tendon
No I mean whirlwind and slam 🙂
earnest cove
And I can’t read
lusty grotto
no
earnest cove
Aren’t is correct
lusty grotto
DFC has uses for it if people dont kick candle king and/or if people dont refill the candle in Darkness
visions also has uses for it
quick tendon
ok. ty
open rose
what's the strategy for Oblivion WAve on the last boss of Rookery?
lusty grotto
huge melee range
stand back
its massive
you can melee him from africa
you can just sidestep it
at that distance
open rose
ok so even in a melee group i don't have to be right on top of him
lusty grotto
you only have to move in when he places pools down or w/e
open rose
i was in a position where i had null upheaval puddles everywhere so nowhere to side-step
lusty grotto
you can just spell block it there
chilly brook
i was in a position where i had null upheaval puddles everywhere so nowhere to s...
pop a cd then
you can avoid most of them
open rose
does spell block block it entirely?
chilly brook
the ones where you can't you just use a defensive
open rose
ok, and how do i know how far i can be to not trigger entropy?
lusty grotto
its block so no, but there's always a chance you take 0 damage if crit blocked
same way you do to test melee range on any mob
but the train tracks on the sides are a good indicator
thats where i usually stand
then i move in and to the left with puddles down
open rose
ok cool ty
lusty grotto
yes spell block, its a huge cd for magic damage and we have a list for whats spell blockable
thats pinned
2nd to last pin by Sense
open rose
yeah the google docs thing, i have it. Didn't know if it could still be useful for other stuff
open rose
oh right
lusty grotto
sometimes though the attacks have 2 parts (one magical and one physical), read the notes cause it may be listed as green as regular block for a physical part and yet still be spell blockable for the magical part
grizzled orbit
Do we always prio ignore pain in the rotation
lusty grotto
never
we prio Shield Block
shield block is your most important thing to maintain
IP only if at 70+ rage to burn rage, thats it
grizzled orbit
Oh. Havnt play this season so much so been using both shield block and ignore pain
lusty grotto
doesnt matter which season
that has always been the case
since forever
since the times of Shield Barrier
grizzled orbit
Oh. Thought ignore pain was like prio 2 to stay alive
round cliff
@lusty grotto where do u los ur first pull if the buff room is closed
lusty grotto
where the boxes are
ramp makes casters go up the ramp, just go down the ramp to the side of the boxes
wait for them to get up, then move to them with whatever is left
round cliff
shouldnt u just go to trade dist first and clear guards/dwarven entrance when u teleport back then
lusty grotto
sure you can do that
i just wanted to use whatever sanity i had
since you can just restore it by rushing the trade district mini boss
and there's usually lots of pots in cath square anyway
vocal cave
MT uses same trinkets as colossus?
lusty grotto
theres no reason why it shouldnt
jagged pier
U can just watch my vid linked the other day, i do literally nothing special dont even go into rooms 
elfin ginkgo
DO you have a link? I don't know where to begin finding it 😄
slender lava
How do you get better with spell block? Im totally shit using the button at all 😦
jagged pier
U press it when u take blockable spell damage
grizzled orbit
Is moauntain thane viable in 12a
jagged pier
Its viable in all key lvls
grizzled orbit
Didnt we play it last season
jagged pier
Yes
sharp gale
Yeah! Which one of these should i pick first? I don't have any of those on mythi...
I would take either pace or tome and try to loot bombsuit until you have the next (if you are NA I would not take something 2 days before reset tho)
elfin ginkgo
I will never loot bombsuit because im never gonna raid 😄
So i have 4 chips right now and you need 3 per item right? So my plan is to get 1 on wednesday (im EU) and another in 10 days
I guess my concrete question: If my goal is to try to push my highest possible keys, which 2 trinkets out of these possible options:
- Myth tome
- Myth Pacemaker
- HC Bomb suit
- HC House of cards
1 caveat is i guess that i can technically get the m+ trinkets in the vault in the coming weeks, but since PoE is coming with a new league soon that is going to be a non-issue
solid sun
Is that going to be a non-issue because you aren't gonna do keys anymore lol
gleaming knoll
Would you go tome/bombshell or pacemaker/bombshell if you want the extra absorb in M+?
astral pendant
Hey all, n00b question here.
Does the damage absorb from ignore pain come before or after blocking?
Ie if I used shield block and then ignore pain would I block incoming damage first or use a % of the ignore pain buff?
quaint zodiac
Hey all, n00b question here.
Does the damage absorb from ignore pain come befor...
Mitigation always applies before damage is taken. Hit goes out, initial damage is calculated, mitigation applies, shield effects take damage, then damage is taken
astral pendant
Thanks legends, I’ll take a look.
prime nova
Am i doing something wrong if i'm getting roughly the same overall dps out of Collo and Thane?
Granted i'm picking up revange talents in my Thane build.
Collo should be a fair bit ahead if played correctly right?
warm plinth
Yes, you're probably doing something wrong. There are not many talent differences between the two; our trees are not flexible.
lofty glen
is this tooooo much?
slender bison
Mitigation always applies before damage is taken. Hit goes out, initial damage i...
But Demo shout applies before damage goes out
frigid valley
do i spend my dinars or sit on them til i can be arsed to clear 12s or take alt in to raid once we reclear?
idle copper
do i spend my dinars or sit on them til i can be arsed to clear 12s or take alt ...
DK vibe
covert helm
do i spend my dinars or sit on them til i can be arsed to clear 12s or take alt ...
I'd wait until you can buy myth shit
warm plinth
But Demo shout applies before damage goes out
Demo shout would be applied in the "initial damage is calculated" step as it is affecting the damage the enemy does to begin with.
idle copper
Would this be a "better" weakaura than the spell reflect one (which isn't specific to your chat for alerts)
fading tide
https://youtu.be/voz_8bBr4PY?si=uDlZVB6aFmwSWJBN&utm_source=ZTQxO
thanks for the video
next wigeon
should i set it up differently
In case you never fixed this, you've likely got your mount set to either priority 0, or not selected to ground/flying in Litemount. I had the exact same issue
errant plinth
Would this be a "better" weakaura than the spell reflect one (which isn't specif...
What’s this suppose to do??
sleek mulch
In general as wars do we just shoot for roughly 20k haste then sim for what secondaries give best dps since defensively they're all fairly applicable? Or is it just a straight up play your way thing for us.
idle copper
What’s this suppose to do??
Alert you specifically when you are being targeted by a spell
errant plinth
Mitigation always applies before damage is taken. Hit goes out, initial damage i...
So tldr I should be aware of shield blocking first then refreshing uptime on ignore pain if it’s getting lower % … before a large tank buster hit // bigger trash pull? Is that right
For best min/max aspects.. or does it really matter THAT much
I’m pretty new to warrior, still learning a lot. I usually play prot pally or VDH
mighty valley
just keep up shield block always and forever
errant plinth
Alert you specifically when you are being targeted by a spell
Oh wonderful thank you, seems handy
mighty valley
press IP just when you need to prevent overcapping rage and you’ll be pressing it enough
genuinely rarely need to think about it harder than that
sharp gale
We are not a hps tank
idle copper
Oh wonderful thank you, seems handy
I've not tried it I've just got the normal spell reflect one but that isn't specific to you being targeted
errant plinth
Thanks for the tips fellow gamers
Ps mind sharing that WA when you get a spare moment @grand lodge
quaint zodiac
In general as wars do we just shoot for roughly 20k haste then sim for what seco...
Sim is always best, but personally I can't play under 20% haste. Just feels really bad imo
sleek mulch
20% is what hard number roughly..I'm dumb
quaint zodiac
I'd be able to check if I was at my pc. Currently around 14k haste I think, and it's like 25%?
sharp gale
We don’t do % here
sharp gale
Ratings meaning the flat number of stat
solid sun
^
next wigeon
I've just trickled over 16k Haste (16.2k to be precise), is now the time I migrate to ITF?
sharp gale
When you put your cursor on the % in char panel
sharp gale
I've just trickled over 16k Haste (16.2k to be precise), is now the time I migra...
You can but you might have the bad rng window meaning tier set doesn’t proc
sleek mulch
I did my first 13 and timed last night. Kinda aimed to mirror a war on Murloc bobas. Felt pretty good. Just feels bad having a jastors sit in bag when I'm only rolling 2 hero rings. Ill sim when I get home and see if its worth running. Appreciate the input. Yeah I've always gone by hard number/rating current 19k crit, 20k haste, 1800 mastery, 7k vers
idle copper
Thanks for the tips fellow gamers
Ps mind sharing that WA when you get a spare...
I get rid of the written warning and just have it play the sound file "Reflect" instead
sharp gale
If you do not high enough keys, you can take ITF with that, you will notice what I’m talking about / I don’t think you’ll die
solid sun
I swapped at 16k
sharp gale
Me too and I dealt with the bad rng, by pressing a def cd
sharp gale
But I still grabbed haste even tho sim was not happy
solid sun
I throw open the spreadsheet and have it open on my second monitor
idle copper
I don’t think the spell reflect weakaura is recommended, is it?
Not generally
sharp gale
It’s more useful as dps
sleek mulch
I want to start pushing keys on war. Been just the guild 10s guy for awhile now starting to move up. Ill play around with Sim and see if i can drop some crit/haste for a bit of mastery
wispy moth
How an healer can tag in a +12 and never use pain supp ..? How it can be legal
sharp gale
How an healer can tag in a +12 and never use pain supp ..? How it can be legal
When did you need a pain sup ?
wispy moth
In Rookery 12, I triggered BSV on the big pull right after 2nd boss, when we fell. Arcane mage pulled the half room, out of SW and LS. So I think I wanted a pain supp this time for example x)
In pug I never relay on mates because it's a random metrics, but didnt expect that an arcane mage will ALWAYS pull another pack that I planned :/
sharp gale
Yes when you start arcane you need to watch out for that orb
wispy moth
When you're playing with a disc, you dont want she/him to use pain supp on you to help you tanking ?
Is it normal to see only 1 cast of pain supp in a whole run ?
(real question)
sharp gale
Yes but the healer is learning to play too
grim pilot
you shouldn't need any in a 12
wispy moth
Hmm y ok
sharp gale
Y that’s why I asked when
wispy moth
When i'm playing with premades I always ask if he's got his cd to help me make big pull or nah
wispy moth
Okok then, next time i'll only count on me ^^
sharp gale
Yeah how could he know
grim pilot
or did you randomly expect the pug to do something your premade on voice does
wispy moth
did you make a macro for it
Ah yes no, maybe I should
wispy moth
or did you randomly expect the pug to do something your premade on voice does
I just expect that an healer can use defensive on purpose when he see my hp drop
grim pilot
it's a 12
wispy moth
When I play DPS with external defensive or healer, I always use something when I see ally's hp drop
grim pilot
if they're progressing that key they're probably confused what the spec does
sharp gale
You are supposed to use externals défensives before that point, but yeah, the dude is learning to play
grim pilot
and you also usually use externals based on tanks toolkit
wispy moth
Maybe, i'm not judging. I'm just asking if it's normal to expect this or not ^^
sharp gale
Entry push key lvl you have entry lvl players
wispy moth
Normally i expect nothing, just when something went wrong, yeah I expect that my mates can adapt (like when arcane pull all the room for example)
wispy moth
Entry push key lvl you have entry lvl players
Seems a legit point of view
sharp gale
Ofc you don’t’ expect someone in a +2 to be a top player for example
And as healer it is harder to learn bc you need damage to learn
warm plinth
Don't worry guys, soon we won't be able to see other people's cooldowns and it'll make things better
Somehow
wispy moth
I think there is a world between expecting someone being the top player in a world and expecting pressing a button ^^'
grim pilot
yeah its not in a 12 i can guarantee that
wispy moth
Don't worry guys, soon we won't be able to see other people's cooldowns and it'l...
Really dont understand why they made this choice
sharp gale
I think there is a world between expecting someone being the top player in a wor...
Doing 12s and over is top players of wow
grim pilot
you can clear 12's comfortably at 640-650
most players doing 12's right now are at 670-675
warm plinth
I'll clear you comfortably
grim pilot
you dont know my discord
wispy moth
But maybe you're right, I should clear them only counting on my own to survive. I should learn how to play depends on class that are with me
warm plinth
you dont know my discord
Is it not the disc in your bio
wispy moth
Pretty glad about the run tho, 87% SB uptime despite the full wipe on 2nd boss
Almost no rage waste
Even cast revenge and SS
grim pilot
you're not on eu...
and you dont speak polish which is like half of the population there
sharp gale
But maybe you're right, I should clear them only counting on my own to survive. ...
You do need to play around the classes and players with you bc you do the route
warm plinth
See watch, colour
grim pilot
brb learning resto
warm plinth
Nailed it
wispy moth
You do need to play around the classes and players with you bc you do the route
The only thin I dont do : skips. Even with a rogue or priest with sooth etc, because everything can happens and messed up.
But yes, I should learn to play with classes. I adapt with rogue to let them fufu before pulling for example, but never played with arcane mage before this run
sharp gale
If you have lot of casters in your comp+ no kick on healer you have to account for that too
You should learn healing profiles of trashs and bosses too
brisk ravine
How do yall deal with first boss in priory’s bleed in 13+ keys? I’ve been able to handle the first three or four with my own stuff, but after that I just and getting giga chunked
sharp gale
Since you might do multiples packs, you wouldn’t take more than 2 prio heal mobs with meh healer
(Even just 2 prio heal can get you in trouble in some cases)
If you see your healer struggle on the first part of priory, you don’t do the full second boss room pull
(Talking about pugging mid keys / you shouldn’t be pugging at all in very high keys where you need those pulls)
raw meteor
Hey has anyone noticed that bubbles doesn't walk as far before his rotation start? Last week the skip worked fine as always for me melding it. Now it rotates it's spells before going far enough.
I haven't changed how I did it before at least I don't think I have
coarse latch
Do you all pull the next pack when everything is dead, or just when there's like 1 or 2 mins left? Kinda realizing the timing is on us, or does it not matter really?
solid sun
Depends. If I'm doing a lazy 10 and watching nba playoffs while tanking I don't really worry about chain pulling.
But when I'm trying to speed things up I do be chain pulling
sharp gale
Hey has anyone noticed that bubbles doesn't walk as far before his rotation star...
Are you talking about Bubble not moving before the spawn animation finished ?
sharp gale
I think it is, I don’t use that to log tho
warm plinth
Yes, it's /combatlog
solid sun
ty ty, I have to log dungeons myself now :(
sharp gale
When I started I had a macro to type that
raw meteor
Are you talking about Bubble not moving before the spawn animation finished ?
um no it spawns i taunt it normally walks to the back wall with me i leap+ meld we skip. this week it barley walks so it starts aoe bnefore theres enough to get through
lucid mica
Are you waiting for it to end the rp?
raw meteor
I think so it stops moving before taunt
frosty mango
How do yall deal with first boss in priory’s bleed in 13+ keys? I’ve been able t...
You have three major cooldowns to rotate - avatar and two shield walls. Rotate those. You also have demo shout for one which can be paired with a big ignore pain and last stand.
The dwarf racial will remove one.
At higher key levels the ringing ritual mud trinket is very strong here because it can be used as a cooldown and the dot aspect increases the cdr, but bombsuit also works well
The fourth/fifth pierces will be the danger area, after that your cdr will be pulling most of your major cds back up.
Dont be afraid to send a bunch of ignore pains on this boss as it will typically see 100% use.
Remember pierce is a dot, so the idea is to send your cd immediately before it hits, so you cover most of the dot duration.
If I write up like a consolidated and clear guide for this I wonder if the mods will pin it lol
brisk ravine
Thank you for this, I’ve been doing most of that but not been treating my avatar like a defensive, I’ll start working that into my brain
frosty mango
The inverse works too - you can wall to bring up Avatar if you want to send demolish with avatar up - if you know you won’t need wall
Not for that particular fight - just saying that talent has a lot of value a lot of people aren’t using
sharp gale
um no it spawns i taunt it normally walks to the back wall with me i leap+ meld ...
Okok I thought you were talking about on spawn / bc he doesn’t move until he is done spawning but he starts his spell queue
If when you used to do him he moves 1 m and make the puddles, it’s bc he is tagged during his animation
raw meteor
gotcha okay ill try waiting longer
ebon linden
Would you guys use The Jastor Diamond as prot if u have it on hero track or not worth in m+ for proc because of bad stats?
frosty mango
Would you guys use The Jastor Diamond as prot if u have it on hero track or not ...
The wowhead guide has a section on this
sharp gale
gotcha okay ill try waiting longer
If you are confused on wtf happened in a key, vod and logs.
frosty mango
It makes the decision tree very clear
ebon linden
@frosty mango isnt that section only talking about if u should buy it for chips. i am wondering if i should use it if i already have it in the bag on hero track
but maybe i am blind
frosty mango
Oh
In that case just sim it
It either will or will not be better but that’s going to depend entirely on the gear you currently have available to you
coarse latch
is it nooby to just have ravager as a macro that casts at your feet? im thinking it would be good to use to generate rage before entering a pack like the wowhead guide says, but i find it kinda awkward to use the "drop it at location" default way it is
frosty mango
is it nooby to just have ravager as a macro that casts at your feet? im thinking...
No - I use something like this
I have two, one for @player and one I can target
I use them both as needed, the important bit is making sure you can still target it when needed because being unable to do so will hurt your ability to gather
coarse latch
I have two, one for @player and one I can target
by "target" do you mean the default setting?
frosty mango
by "target" do you mean the default setting?
Yes, the reticle
coarse latch
I use them both as needed, the important bit is making sure you can still target...
ahh i didnt think about that, yeah good to have the default too ok ty
frosty mango
I have a macro where if I press it, it’s at me, shift press is the target reticle
coarse latch
I have a macro where if I press it, it’s at me, shift press is the target reticl...
ohhh do you ming sharing that?
or is it just keybindings
dusky abyss
hello, why do people do not use mountain thane? I thought the dps was lower than collosuss but I just feel it stronger. I tried my first 15 jumping from a 13 at 669 and I felt so tanky and with more sustained dps. I stopped playing the game like a month ago and came back recently so I'm not sure what changes they did to mountain but it feels awesome
pallid quiver
hello, why do people do not use mountain thane? I thought the dps was lower than...
They've done nothing, and it still does less damage than Colo in AOE. If you get less as Colo, you're likely not pressing buttons on CD or prioritizing TC too heavily
frosty mango
ohhh do you ming sharing that?
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod] Ravager
/cast [mod:shift, @ Player] Ravager
pallid quiver
Most people aren't using Thane since its theoretical strength in survival isn't really applicable in high key designs, as Immovable Object covers the damage profiles coming in very well, and its baseline defensive strength was brought up towards Thane's level with S2.
Thane does remain easier to play, since it's generally not too bad to throw Outburst on Thunder Blast, even in ST, meaning you have a buffer on making mistakes on that end, and it's a lot easier to always have the same button prio no matter the situation
coarse latch
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod] Ravager
/cast [mod:shift, @ Player] Ravager
very cool, i had no idea you could include mod in macros
frosty mango
hello, why do people do not use mountain thane? I thought the dps was lower than...
Additionally to what Luerce said the value in Colo isn’t necessarily that it does more damage, it’s the profile - Colo can load a ton of damage into demolish which has a lot of value on priority target which shouldn’t feel understated
dusky abyss
got it
frosty mango
For example in priory on higher keys you don’t want four paladins up forever and it behooves you to kill them as quickly as possible before your healer gets overcome
dusky abyss
optimally speaking is way better on the higher keys
and with better players XD
thank you for feedback
pallid quiver
Thane can do more ST, technically, since the better rage econ means a lot more execute value
dusky abyss
uhumm
frosty mango
I’m not sure I’d say way better but I think most people would agree it is better
dusky abyss
I feel like I have to wait till I have full charges to press collosuss
and sometimes I feel it off with avatar
frosty mango
I feel like I have to wait till I have full charges to press collosuss
You will never not have full charges except for on pull
pallid quiver
If you're waiting until you have full stacks, you are desperately lacking in crit or not pressing revenge other than on pull
And it will naturally desync from avatar eventually in most cases, as both have forms of CDR that have different layers to their application
You still just send on CD, as more casts is better than optimized casts
frosty mango
If you are coming from thane into Colo one of the biggest things to untrain yourself on is pressing clap. As Colo you rarely press clap
pallid quiver
though if you have a spare shield wall charge, you can pop it for the 4s of avatar it gives when running immovable object
coarse latch
If you are coming from thane into Colo one of the biggest things to untrain your...
im trying to only press clap when i need to generate rage and dont have slam or revenge, or other cd, is that basically the only time?
mighty valley
also to get rend running
crimson bolt
quick question...what embelishments should we be running for m+ (15s)
mighty valley
but otherwise yeah, you kinda feel out how much you need to press it to keep as resets coming
mighty valley
quick question...what embelishments should we be running for m+ (15s)
barely matters but double thread is generally preferred
crimson bolt
double thread with crit? or versa?
mighty valley
Whichever sims better I guess
coarse latch
also to get rend running
ahhh yeah tyty
echo egret
I need some external input on this run. It's far from perfect (please don't laugh at the mount fuckup at the start), but it shows how I end up after the dwarf quarter boss sanity-wise. Given that I need an orb soon after that, I'm not killing stuff fast enough. Is that my gameplay ? My gear (672) ? The miniboss behind Shaw for example, feels like he's taking forever to die compared to the other vids I've seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8R54lalzYU
warm plinth
I need some external input on this run. It's far from perfect (please don't laug...
Watching
So far, you wasted like 1/3 of a sanity bar for no reason by orbing mid-pull
@echo egret yeah from this video, that was easily the biggest blunder. Don't orb mid-pull at low sanity because you only regain half the sanity you do when out of combat. So you ended up only getting 2/3 of a bar of sanity from that orb instead of being full, which would've made the difference between dying on shaw and killing him pretty comfortably.
echo egret
My question remain : if feels much slower than others, and where does that come from ?
warm plinth
What I would've done is stopped prior to that pull, orbed, let it tick a bit, then pulled them into it
Pulls and speed seemed fine to me 🤷
echo egret
Well when things go "perfect", without a potion or two, I end up orbing far too soon before Shaw, thus at great risk during Shaw.
Do 672->682 make a massive difference ?
warm plinth
Well, 10 ilevels is ofc a significant difference. It would be easier. But that doesn't mean it's impossible at 672
echo egret
Okay.
warm plinth
For what it's worth, unless you're just trying to have the bragging rights of doing it this week, a 5 mask clear will be much easier next week due to different masks, more talents, and org just being overall easier
coarse latch
you guys are all gigachads
echo egret
It’s really a matter of bragging rights !
warm plinth
I understand completely haha
sinful copper
quick question...what embelishments should we be running for m+ (15s)
Vers
chilly brook
Vers
It legit doesn’t matter between vers and crit
Doing 17s with like 1k vers total without an issue
Just use the one that sims better
sinful copper
Oh I see
@chilly brook what's your strat for first boss priory? That's the one I have most difficulty on
chilly brook
Rotate CDs /shrug
sinful copper
Also, crit simmed better for u with 1k vers?
sinful copper
Ooo
chilly brook
Vers might sim better for me now but I also play arms in raid which more or less motivated the crit choice to begin with
But try to have a CD rolling for every pierce armor, ask for an external if you can’t cover it yourself
sinful copper
Because there's two tank busters, the divine judgement and the pierce armor. But not enough defensives to rotate for all. Can I just do demo shout for one of them? I think I do spell reflect for every divine judgement
chilly brook
Use mud trinket
SR every judgement
The judgement itself isn’t the scary part of the fight
sinful copper
The judgement can still hit for like 7.5m
sinful copper
So avatar or shield wall on every pierce armor and demo shout with it if it's up, and spell reflect every judgement, no need for spell block cuz it doesn't work, and don't overcommit to IP even if I get scared?
On the 16, I didn't use mud and died twice, but 2nd death was 1% so they finished him
chilly brook
Yeah judgement is smol
Avg 5.88m which like yeah kinda seems big but most of that is going to get eaten by IP
So like maybe a 3m hit
sinful copper
I see
slender bison
The best talent ever seeing me doing Floodgate and Motherlode again (this time we have a DH)
chilly brook
Looks like plka took it in a 20 ML
I mean it’s not a terrible talent but you’re def giving something up for it
slender bison
Best Served Cold with high Crit parries is good, so yeah
slender bison
Idk dude, we're not all streamers
chilly brook
Plka also didn’t take the talent in his 19 just his 20
chilly brook
Idk dude, we're not all streamers
You don’t have to be a streamer to play well 🙂
slender bison
Cringe
chilly brook
How is that cringe?
slender bison
At a certain point without a team you plateau
toxic pewter
That is widely considered one of the worst talents in World of Warcraft’s two decade, twenty year history.
chilly brook
If content is being done several key levels higher without those talents then the talent isn’t the issue
chilly brook
At a certain point without a team you plateau
I’ve done most of my keys pugging
And don’t talent it
sinful copper
I pugged those on 16 and didn't take that talent, so prob not necessary
solid sun
I have never taken that talent in a 16
I do not believe that has anything to do with me not having done a 16
errant plinth
https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9
I get rid of the written warning and just have it pla...
Thx you!
lucid heath
is there any way of changing DBM or big wigs or any addon really to give some sort of warning when Rixa and Mogdul are using their tank busters in motherlode? I never know when they're coming out and have just bricked a 15 motherlode by letting her truck me for 10 million during a transition
mighty valley
That is widely considered one of the worst talents in World of Warcraft’s two de...
damn it’s been a while since I’ve been shot in the gut by an apb take, I’ve missed this feeling
solid sun
is there any way of changing DBM or big wigs or any addon really to give some so...
It’s her auto attacks
They’re magic
mighty valley
is there any way of changing DBM or big wigs or any addon really to give some so...
You could look up something that shows enemy swing timers? It’s her auto attacks that destroy you
It’s when she’s not casting (including on pull) that you need to be worried
mighty valley
when she’s doing the spray cast she’s doing absolutely no damage so healer can catch up and your CDs can tick down
solid sun
If she’s locked in place, you’re safe
If she moves with you, you’re gonna get owned
lucid heath
yeah she came with me and it as early on in the pull so the mech was still up and it aoe'd
didn't wall in time then she trucked me for 10 mil
i hate that dungeon
solid sun
Spell block works
round cliff
In case you never fixed this, you've likely got your mount set to either priorit...
i fixed it by redoing my rules, idk what i did different tho
every priority is 1
idk what u mean by the second point
swift zenith
I can't get the first pull right in Prio as a tank https://keystone.guru/route/priory-of-the-sacred-flame/leePgIF/pug-friendly-raiderio-weekly-route-2-to-12/1
What order do I use my mobility and threat generation to gather all these mobs quickly?
lucid heath
the left patrol pack with the knight in that pull just isn't going to be near you at the start so you can't if you do that pull
wouldn't advise pulling both knights anyway
think the majority of people pull the first four footmen into the right side knight patrol, then grab 1 or 2 of the centre packs and the first miniboss
but you can do without grabbing the miniboss especially at lower keys coz its a lot and you've got time
mighty valley
in lower keys as prot warrior, it's often more about your dps knowing not to go nuts until you've actually gathered
coarse latch
toxic pewter
damn it’s been a while since I’ve been shot in the gut by an apb take, I’ve miss...
Just tellin it like it is. Always have- always will.
undone beacon
what the FUCK is this threat meter from
its pissin me off i didnt have it last night
swift zenith
well I finally did this m0 priory what an ordeal
lol
so much time watching videos and prep time only to get it done in like an hour lol
lime mantle
what the FUCK is this threat meter from
that's the wow default inbuilt dps meter, added in like, cata? or late wrath 🙂
undone beacon
any idea what the setting is?
frosty mango
is there any way of changing DBM or big wigs or any addon really to give some so...
They come every time they arent doing anything else
It’s very predictable, if they aren’t casting something they’re shooting you
sinful copper
I can't get the first pull right in Prio as a tank https://keystone.guru/route/p...
Iunno, most go on the right side with 1 knight and mini. Charge, clap, leap, shield charge, heroic throw the 3 next to fountain (especially the sharpshooter or they'll do a big shoot to random players), then charge into mini
Then I avatar once I charge mini and drop ravager where the others are running, demo shout when more group, troar, etc, then shield wall the next shield slam
frosty mango
I can't get the first pull right in Prio as a tank https://keystone.guru/route/p...
Tbh this is a shit pull and you shouldn’t do it.
Two knights is rough for heals and invites a lot of risk
Positioning dictates that sharpshooters will be everywhere
That’s my opinion but I dunno why anyone would recommend a pull with two knights and bad positioning
90% of pug keys double knight is just gonna get you wiped
sinful copper
I haven't done double knight since first week of expansion when that was kinda normal (not with mini)
west jay
I can't get the first pull right in Prio as a tank https://keystone.guru/route/p...
Topicx has some good fideos on YouTube of prio and first pull. I tend to jump in a M0 solo as a warm up and do that pull before signing up for a prio key😁
echo egret
Is it acceptable to delay Shield Charge / Spear / Demolish when Avatar or Demo Shout is about to come off colldown ? if yes, how long ?
sinful copper
Not shield charge but sure the other ones. I don't run spear though. Maybe 5 seconds to delay?
echo egret
Why not shield charge specifically ?
strong forum
tierset CDR
echo egret
Gotcha
dense cradle
tierset CDR
Do you try to go for more ss resets during luck of the draw?
i.e should i hold off on casting a demolish during it
round cliff
Do you try to go for more ss resets during luck of the draw?
the only time you should change priority is if it's about to run out and your last cast in the window will be a shield slam that reduces cooldown
otherwise proceed as normal
(i made this up but it's what i do and im goated)
dense cradle
Idk if im trolling holding demo shout/demolish slightly on dailcry
to align with his spear throws
because fuckers hurt
dense cradle
Yeah the rest of the instance is like
round cliff
i hold avatar to use it as a shield wall, too
round pendant
wait when do we get the delve belt thing
dense cradle
hopefully never
round pendant
true
frosty mango
Idk if im trolling holding demo shout/demolish slightly on dailcry
You aren’t trolling
Damage is great but you don’t do any if you’re dead
Doing what you gotta do to make a rough encounter easier or less risky is good play
dense cradle
yeah first time i made the giant mistake of thinking i can facetank a spear
with just shieldblock
xdddd
round pendant
it's just one boss, small part of your overall damage in the key
round cliff
Idk if im trolling holding demo shout/demolish slightly on dailcry
remember that god intended demo shout to be a defensive
it's only an offensive cd because we are sinners
dense cradle
well
frosty mango
yeah first time i made the giant mistake of thinking i can facetank a spear
I mean you can facetank the spear it’s the dot that kills you lol
dense cradle
blizz made a talent that causes it to be a dps gain
sharp gale
remember that god intended demo shout to be a defensive
DOnT SaY ThAT
dense cradle
wait can you dwarf it
frosty mango
it's only an offensive cd because we are sinners
God intended for us to be dps but the world wasn’t ready, that’s why they deleted gladiator stance
sharp gale
the light burn my skin now
frosty mango
We’ve been living on cope since wod
hollow bolt
You know what
for some stupid fucking reason
i thought taht was called shield bash
my bad average warrior moment, what the fuck is a booooook
lusty grotto
huh
lusty grotto
yes
sharp gale
It’s a PvP talent no ?
lusty grotto
but it wasnt taken from us lmao
hollow bolt
OH MY GOOOOOOOD
lusty grotto
it just turned into pummel
hollow bolt
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
lusty grotto
and yes shield bash was dstance exclusive
frosty mango
Who remembers throw down
hollow bolt
you know what, thank u skyhold, i used to wonder if i was stupid, i no longer have to, its been confimred
frosty mango
you know what, thank u skyhold, i used to wonder if i was stupid, i no longer ha...
Welcome to #protection
hollow bolt
rip throwdown
frosty mango
Where we focus exclusively on dps
dense cradle
i somehow think vdhs are worse
in that regard
considering their biggest dps cd
is also a defensive
Well, one of
tropic pond
How does someone get 3M overall as a prot? i've done all my 15's and up until now im only get 2,3-2,4 M, makes me frustate
dense cradle
How does someone get 3M overall as a prot? i've done all my 15's and up until n...
do low enough priories
dense cradle
I got 3m earlier because
hollow bolt
Mana full, more!
dense cradle
im in tome farm jail
dense cradle
mfw i forgot signet can drop in tank spec
lusty grotto
why not just buy it
hollow bolt
IT CAN?
dense cradle
yes
lusty grotto
it can but its garbage
dense cradle
all i know is i watched the boomy and mage
die twice in the same pull
no kicks landed
not my problem
also genuine question is thre a way to keep the archers more grouped
lusty grotto
i mean the problem was the group leader inviting 2 caster kicks
dense cradle
besides los behind something
dense cradle
yeah
lusty grotto
so the sharpshooters jump to the group
dense cradle
2 casters
lusty grotto
thats it
frosty mango
How does someone get 3M overall as a prot? i've done all my 15's and up until n...
Large pulls, efficient pathing, good outburst usage
lusty grotto
good cooldown usage
frosty mango
Having dps that lag or do poor damage will drag your overall down
tropic pond
i do see someone posted that 3M overall, 15/16s already hard enough for healer to heal the group, i just dont understand
frosty mango
But imo biggest differentiator is usually
a) pull size
B) good cooldown and pot usage (getting demolish etc inside of cd windows)
C) good outburst usage
D) having good shield slam utilization and a good healer so you can send revenge
tropic pond
lusty grotto
they dont pull extra shit unless its already in combat
dense cradle
thats points not damage
and yeah idk i always see nearby packs get pulled
with boomies in group
frosty mango
The other big thing for getting higher dps is just committing. If you’re gonna pull 5 packs, pull them. Dont pull 3 then wait 30s and pull two more, that completely ruins cd efficiency
warm plinth
Well, for what it's worth, if it was actually them pulling shit, they'd be pulling it from a lot farther away than "nearby"
sharp gale
Do you have arcane mages in your group perchance when the boomies « extra pull » ?
lusty grotto
has to be in combat for starfall to pull, period
warm plinth
yep
dense cradle
no but might have been the ret
lusty grotto
orbs will def pull without combat
frosty mango
Every time I’ve ever had a boomy extra pull when I watch the vod or look at logs every time it’s a mage pulling and starfall immediately ripping, or a body pull/stray
sharp gale
Or do you tank packs 5 yard from another one perchance ?
frosty mango
It just seems like the boomy is pulling bc starfall will immediately start hitting it when it goes into combat
sharp gale
it was more like 20yd
You deserve the extra pulls
warm plinth
20yd is like the normal aggro range XD
round cliff
lightning killed my internet
sharp gale
lightning killed my internet
Send lightning photo or fake
strong forum
frosty mango
Dunno we can basically solo control all the dangerous pulls
frosty mango
You gotta let go of worrying about things out of your control
If they wanna stand not in melee and get murdered by sharpshooters that’s on them lol
frosty mango
Isn’t that just sacbrood
dense cradle
its a haste stick
warm plinth
Nah I don't know that guy
tropic pond
im gonna do this +12 with degenerate pull see how it goes
tropic pond
still cant reach that 3M, even pulling the 3 pack after 3 pack, seems not even close
i would assume that 2,5-3M overall is on the different dungeon, either my rotation is wrong, or thats on the lower key
lusty grotto
i would assume that 2,5-3M overall is on the different dungeon, either my rotati...
hope this answers that question
mystic touch and skyfury make a difference
also, cinderbrew
tropic pond
hope this answers that question
think the damage profile is similar, maybe you right, i have to find a good comp to play with
lusty grotto
i guarantee you its not the comp
but it helps
that wasnt the lowest key either, being a 14
cant do much with details screenshots
tropic pond
i mean Cinderbew that number makes sense to me, you can pad the number, with lots of bees, and all that, what im dont understand, is that i read here that you can comfortably doin 2,5M-3M as a prot, which makes sense before the nerf, i've seen the vod in 17 says, the number is on 2,2 -2,3 M at most
so i start questioning myselft
lusty grotto
cant really pad much we're softcapped at 5
logs would let us know what youre doing wrong
i.e. are you syncing cds etc
tropic pond
sec
warm plinth
Cool, all my tributes are done
round cliff
Send lightning photo or fake
so i saw an option in my phone to connect to cell data via usb
plug phone in, pc get data
and this is totally workable damn
i can game on this
sharp gale
Man I think I need to send you my internet connection, you will think I’m a peasant
round cliff
my usual is like 800 down and 30 up when hardwired
round cliff
sharp gale
Very adequate name
lusty grotto
is this the right link ? thats the +12 rookery i did
doing keys atm ill take a look later
sharp gale
and this is totally workable damn
round cliff
at least ur up speed is fine 😭
sharp gale
SHUSH
warm plinth
You have the worst download I've seen in 15 years but you still have better ping than me 🙂
sharp gale
rural france ping 😎
round cliff
oh... ur fr*nch...
that explains it
a lot
nvm i cant even say that cuz france has been way cooler than the US lately
warm plinth
rural france ping 😎
sharp gale
what are your ping in wow ?
round cliff
ima check that rn
warm plinth
57
sharp gale
yeah i'm logging in to check
warm plinth
I am not on a home server though
round cliff
so its a bit high
warm plinth
I live in the midwest and I play primarily on a west coast server
warm plinth
GL!
sharp gale
I live in the midwest and I play primarily on a west coast server
it's maybe like i was on moscow servers while being french
round cliff
ima actually drop down to just mask of multitudes and figure out my route thru mage quarter
cuz i lose so much time there
sharp gale
warm plinth
it's maybe like i was on moscow servers while being french
Yeah Los Angeles is 2600km from me
near salmon
I live in the midwest and I play primarily on a west coast server
There are west coast servers? I though all of them are in chicago ?
warm plinth
Chicago, Los Angeles, and Sydney
sharp gale
crazy i was about right with distance 
coarse latch
are there any keys where disrupting shout is useful? i feel like another aoe stop is good but ik you all said the warrior talent tree is kinda maxed out rn
lusty grotto
its useful in basically all of them, i would say
vestal moat
Dfc it’s really good there too
coarse latch
its useful in basically all of them, i would say
what would you get rid of though to pick it? im using the m+ col build that doesnt have it - just the default one
coarse latch
ooo i see, kinda sad to see less revenge damage but ill work around it
lusty grotto
its not a whole lot of damage
warm plinth
time to 5mask attempts for realsies
Real pro move is to not summon Hogger until you are ready to do 5 mask attempts so you can get a free 150 sanity before going into Mage
lusty grotto
i didnt do hogger
coarse latch
its not a whole lot of damage
ahh ok, thats good to know thanks!
Also.. those thunder glyphs were bugged yesterday. I logged on and they were in my inv as if i never applied them so i applied them again did a /reload and it works nicely
cool thunder effects
lusty grotto
was scared of having to destroy my shard lol
round cliff
nim route, 2nd orb right before umbric
warm plinth
Assuming it would work anyway
round cliff
bad pace maybe
lusty grotto
ahh ok, thats good to know thanks!
Also.. those thunder glyphs were bugged yest...
did you watch the quazii video for graphic settings, i think it was you, right?
lusty grotto
bad pace maybe
no thats on pace
coarse latch
yeah it was me, im gonna do that now actually - havent had much time today
warm plinth
Eh, orb before Umbric is a good spot though because you get 150 from Umbric then a quick 150 from Dwarven mini boss
warm plinth
And Umbric can have a bit of unavoidable sanity damage if his queueing sucks
warm plinth
livid oak
So whats the helm enchant we run 🤔
warm plinth
Twilight Dev ofc
lusty grotto
nickname fails yet again
livid oak
hahaha how are you Nim
lusty grotto
i am good, how are you
warm plinth
He asked and then in voice he was like "I had to do it because of Nim"
livid oak
Im good, just had to come in and see waht Pinky was talking about
warm plinth
So the nickname worked but backfired
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
you should be finre
its just alleria with a full bar
but
alleria can fuck you and will fuck you as melee
warm plinth
The key to Alleria is that you are PATIENT
And LoS any time she does a mechanic
So she runs to you
livid oak
Should i pick up Pwar just so you and Pinky get some meme as heck logs to look at
round cliff
YEAAA
warm plinth
did he do it?!
round cliff
round cliff
i choked so fucking hard on alleria
i took so many sanity hits lmao
i legit found like 7 sanity potions, carried by rng
lusty grotto
livid oak
just died in a delve helping pinky
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
round cliff
might still be rough
coarse latch
Do we know what we will need to do to get greater enchant?
round cliff
wym the item
round cliff
isnt it an account wide unlock
livid oak
Pretty sure its acc wide unlock
round cliff
im getting champ drops everywhere
im only getting plate tho
i need leather
or a weapon
livid oak
Ah damn, isnt acc wide
round cliff
the nightfall event gives warbound gear too but its also just whatever type ur wearing
let me get leather on my plate wearer blizz
or let me set my loot spec to mistweaver as warrior
sharp gale
Tbf the item is kinda useless now that I got my paladin 80, i managed to do a full clear run right away, and it gives champ tracks whatever i have a mask or not
round cliff
im getting all armor types champ track
maybe i just got unlucky w/ plate drops so far
then
anyways im thinking abt org already
round cliff
surely u go valley of spirits first
lusty grotto
gonna need 1 run to remember
round cliff
its the only one that loops around back to valley of strength
but ig looping doesnt matter w/ portals
spirits -> wisdom -> port -> drag -> honor -> port
perchance
or honestly just walk from wisdom to the drag, depending on what trash is in the way and what objectives u need to do
warm plinth
Yeah but it's still faster overall; you just run back through
round cliff
perchance
warm plinth
The only hard part of Org is Rexxar
And that's only because we can't CC adds
But disrupting should make it a lot easier than last time around
You know something I didn't think of @lusty grotto? I wonder if k'babs work lol
livid oak
Nah, Nibbles said they dont
warm plinth
Oh, sadge
warm plinth
perchance
I was wrong; looking at my old vision videos, you port back after Honor and go through the edge of spirits to get to Wisdom, then run back to Spirits
well, not port, but you know what I mean. Totem back
round cliff
I was wrong; looking at my old vision videos, you port back after Honor and go t...
at that point why not just do spirits tho
and port back after wisdom
warm plinth
Because it's more running that way. Wisdom is really small so the run is basically nothing. If you go spirits first, you're running all the way down through spirits which is a long area, then going all the way back to get to wisdom.
Especially since wisdoms last boss is right by the entrance to wisdom
round cliff
ic
warm plinth
It's probably not as much of a time difference as it feels but you also have to consider the flying time back after Wisdom if you use the totem since it's not instant like Stormwind is. (asterisks are using the totem)
round cliff
ooooooo
warm plinth
Left is my route. Right is if you went spirits first
warm plinth
Man I had completely forgotten about k'babs lol
worldly dust
Why does Armored to the Teeth seem to boost base armor and not bonus, yet still adds to parry as if it was bonus and for all intense and purposes is basically bonus when it comes to parry?
Also, it would seem the value of P is 544360 from what I can tell?
And... does this interact with anything else in the tree?
worldly dust
lusty grotto
he means K value
warm plinth
I don't remember the specifics of it but they had to change armored to the teeth because it was doing some OP shit when they first introduced it
By double dipping
worldly dust
P as in parry rating from Strength
lusty grotto
oh 🤷♂️
worldly dust
Was throwing me off for a bit until I noticed Base was increasing for that talent where as FV is applying to bonus.
As for the parry math it's basically bonus but it's being shown as base.
Haven't ran into that until warrior. Just found it odd.
lusty grotto
why are these calculations important
warm plinth
Yeah iirc it was changed to make it not do weird shit with reinforced plates and focused vigor, but idk. Never really concerned myself with that level of math since it really doesn't mean anything
warm plinth
Because one talent would feed the other, then it would go backward and feed the first
lusty grotto
it was made apparent because of aug
warm plinth
Oh yeah, I forgot about that part
worldly dust
they dont seem to be
TC stuff. I build sheets and what not. Generally start with stats and these numbers find the dodge formulas and numbers just to have them hashed out.
worldly dust
Oh did you change names 😄
Eh, I do it for my own crafting sheets mostly, and just to understand interactions of talents.
warm plinth
It's important to shove simple information into people's faces or they don't get it
Hence my nickname as well
warm plinth
Don't get it as in don't receive it, not don't understand; wasn't trying to shit on people there
worldly dust
It helps with scripting stuff too. I have some plans for something and this stuff will be needed. Anywho, thanks for the info 🙂
lusty grotto
so when aug went live, Blistering Scales was used on arms/fury to increase strength
worldly dust
mmm
chilly brook
It helps with scripting stuff too. I have some plans for something and this stuf...
I swear if you're trying to script a rotation bot....
worldly dust
I swear if you're trying to script a rotation bot....
lol nah I just do TC stuff
lusty grotto
or he could be TC WA dev for the big two
worldly dust
It will replicate combat mostly and use that to more or less make mitigation modeling easier for me
worldly dust
more like simc but yeah 😄
warm plinth
AMR likes to claim they can sim survival
chilly brook
not really any real reason to sim mitigation
worldly dust
They are suprisingly decent for having their own math but now I'm not associated with them.
lusty grotto
anything else is whatever
warm plinth
But what if I really like knowing how a target dummy will damage me in a vacuum
lusty grotto
mit was interesting in the vanilla days, its not anymore
warm plinth
AMR working hard to give me the real important information
worldly dust
You can model some things but the reason I want to script it over say using a sheet is because I can use iterations and various modules to do tons of testing more simplistically.
warm plinth
Side note, am I crazy? I could've sworn you could rez people in old visions without an orb
You just gave up half your sanity to do it
warm plinth
I was trying it earlier and started wondering if I was mandela effecting myself
chilly brook
You can model some things but the reason I want to script it over say using a sh...
but why? mitigation is basically all baked into the class
pallid quiver
I was trying it earlier and started wondering if I was mandela effecting myself
it gives you a text message when you die of sanity about it, too
warm plinth
Yeah I don't trust any of the text though because it also implies crystals still exist, and they definitely do not.
However, I have a possible explanation for that
It seems potions do not show up until you have the first row of talents learned (not sure if it's a specific talent or just having the whole row unlocked that does it). I'm curious if that means we will start seeing crystals after we get the 2nd row unlocked.
worldly dust
but why? mitigation is basically all baked into the class
Testing talent values/stats other things just getting ideas where things are or using it as a tool to check simc and stuff for sanity.
lusty grotto
going back to base armor
the change was made due to the fact most outside sources of power cannot factor in base armor
like sacles
worldly dust
Was base strength in this case but honestly I didn't check how it was applying to armor.
lusty grotto
which is why earthen racial is also base armor
worldly dust
hmmm
lusty grotto
fel spikes, ironfur, those affect bonus armor (gained from gear)
scales affect bonus armor as well
chilly brook
Testing talent values/stats other things just getting ideas where things are or ...
but we already have people doing that?
lusty grotto
neither of those interact with base armor
having AttT being non-base armor would mean we could spiral out of control, case in point scales
worldly dust
but we already have people doing that?
Eh, I'm a curious person I like to do my own research and toying around with things. Just something I enjoy doing in this game.
warm plinth
Hey if he wants to have his own personal math nerd stuff, more power to him
I can lose myself in a good spreadsheet project so I get it
worldly dust
I played a lot of nerdy book games like Shadowrunner and stuff 😄
Sometimes this stuff is almost as fun as actually playing the game.
warm plinth
That's a low bar :p
worldly dust
😛
worldly dust
having AttT being non-base armor would mean we could spiral out of control, case...
The part I found odd was it was applying to base str. If I said armor above it was just a lizard brain auto type.
lusty grotto
it would make sense, its a scaling guardrail
worldly dust
Yeah, that does make sense the way you explained it.
Didn't see it on the other tanks I've done but this tank actually has a fair bit going on with crit/haste/armor
cerulean tusk
it would make sense, its a scaling guardrail
Nah, it is TD. Aight, ya can go back to talk about armor o7
warm plinth
I'm old I get a pass
I'm gonna be 37 in a couple months 
coarse latch
@lusty grotto just changing the contrast up makes the game look sooo much better. I did all the changes quazii recommended so I'll see this week in raid how it feels
lusty grotto
trust, they are worth it
worldly dust
Contrast is interesting. I used to play with hdr but never again.
warm plinth
Who is the ST boss this tier?
lusty grotto
and view distance in raid/dungeons makes a huge difference in itself
sprocket and mug'zee ghash
warm plinth
tyty
lusty grotto
but sprocket most of all
worldly dust
I wrote a wa to auto change those settings based on content it's on wago.io
pretty sure I can't link in class discords
lusty grotto
i believe i have that installed