hmm..details shows my dps as 2.2M
#protection
crimson bolt
log says otherwise thou
demo shout and avatar are now up to 1.1 in casts
up from 0.5 and 0.8 🙂
young cloud
Hey, anyone have any tips for 1st boss in priory? This guy is giving me an absolute asswhooping with the bleed every time i get into that dung.
ionic nimbus
For dam 13% crit looks kinda low
mighty valley
Now that you're fixing your priorities and generating rage better, you should watch out for overcapping
crimson bolt
how can I see that oin the log?
mighty valley
Resources tab, switch to Rage, click yourself
warm plinth
log says otherwise thou
Log DPS will always be lower than Details because Details stops recording when you're out of combat; logs don't.
sharp gale
log says otherwise thou
Put your cursor over your uptime and you will see details dps
proper scarab
blizz hate me i got this on my Brew
elfin ginkgo
What should i get for my puzzling chips if i am never ever going to mythic raid but do have all 12s in time?
sharp gale
So Choice is : hc hoc, hc bombsuit, m tome or m pacemaker
nocturne jungle
does Mountain Thane have less keybinds than collosus?
sharp gale
And more IP spam I guess
nocturne jungle
is it way worse for keys or fine to play?
mighty valley
it's like ~20% less aoe damage but it's fine
warm plinth
It's less damage but just as viable
lost minnow
Hey my dudes, just started a warrior tank alt on Tuesday and having a hoot. Up to 2700 io in 3 days, but i am absolutely horrific with shield block uptime. Is there a video or something about it? I feel like I am double pressing it and having huge gaps in uptime due to cd (or if that isnt possible maybe my smooth brain is not meant to use a shield)
warm plinth
Double pressing it shouldn't cause downtime unless you are doing it right before a pack dies or something. If your haste is below like ~16k or so, you want to use Heavy Repercussions instead of Into the Fray. Shield Charge also grants it due to Champion's Bulwark (talent).
lucid mica
SB duration stacks so you can press it back to back and not worry for some time, same with SB from shield charge
lost minnow
damn my brain is smoother than I had hoped it was
warm plinth
Do you have any logs?
sharp gale
You really have to : have enough haste if ITF (I re add that point bc it is important) and shield charge on cd + when tier proc be good on pressing shield slam on cd (you should press shield slam on cd anyway but it is important for tier set)
lost minnow
Do you have any logs?
sharp gale
The next comment with ITF will be in all caps, so watch out
lost minnow
This is from early yesterday the start of day 3, it was the run someone pointed out the need to increase SB time and worked on that the rest of the day. Guess i wasn't logging them since the later logs in the day just show leaderboard
warm plinth
Demo shout should be used on cooldown; you're not even using it once per minute and it has a 45 second CD.
lost minnow
yeah i noticed that and working on that too
warm plinth
Wasting quite a bit of rage due to overcapping
sharp gale
Hits with SB up / number of hit without any SB
warm plinth
So this log was before you started working on the SB uptime right
lost minnow
Yeah that was the run that sparked someone saying to work on sb/demo shouts
warm plinth
Gotcha, okay
lost minnow
looks like the run later in the day are from leaderboard and cant pull up the data
warm plinth
If I had to guess, you're probably not prioritizing Shield Slam very well.
Remember that its cooldown will reset a lot, and you should be hitting it the next free global
sharp gale
Do you rage starve ?
warm plinth
You should be hitting shield slam around the same amount as Revenge, just to give you an idea
And you're hitting it about half as often
sharp gale
Mine for example for the same key + same key lvl
lost minnow
i def noticed i was playing like my ele and spamming revenge
and was cutting that down a lot too
i will try to get a newer log for you in a bit
sharp gale
I press almost 4 more SB per min
warm plinth
Yeah, focus on Shield Slam, Demo Shout, and Shield Block and give that a run or two and report back with more logs and we can work from there.
coarse latch
Remember that its cooldown will reset a lot, and you should be hitting it the ne...
Should we be hitting it essentially every time it's up?
warm plinth
Yes, even in AoE
It hits like a truck and generates a ton of rage. Tier set makes this even more important because it gains the increased crit chance and the Shield Charge CDR during the Luck of the Draw windows.
sharp gale
- more rage to press more revenge (the AoE hit) + demolish stacks
If you want the rage waste of the casts screen I send (it was early in season, I was learning colossus too)
coarse latch
I definitely have that problem of seeing that it reset but I'm so lost in REVENGE!!
Lol
I'm gonna make a sound WA I think to remind myself when it resets
sharp gale
It’s a DfC too ?
frosty mango
no its workshop lol
lucid mica
I guess that revenge will go down with key level(?)
sharp gale
Revenge cpm are linked with tc and ss cpm, so it is just keys you do one less, you do other button more
Since the concept of a minute doesn’t change
sharp gale
Maybe I unconsciously press it too much, I try in my mind to reapply rend + when below 30 rage
patent scroll
Can't sneak past the enemies with that much assclapping 
frosty mango
Clappyjofflu amirite
sharp gale
That explain my low dps I guess, will try to fix it thx
lucid mica
You’re just practicing for when thane is meta again
It'd be cool
sharp gale
I don’t want to lose the bump tho
wispy moth
I'm clapping a bit too I guess then (ToP 11)
sharp gale
We need to check top cpm to compare bc uptime in top, but yeah
warm plinth
Maybe I unconsciously press it too much, I try in my mind to reapply rend + when...
tbf, that's about right; the APL seems to press it on cooldown anyway and even with my low ass haste it has a 5.1 sec CD.
pallid quiver
The reply might make that confusing, so to clarify:
Normal Charge, Avatar during Travel (that's enough rage to get Shield Block up before touching anything), start dropping CDs,
Shield Charge is a damage CD that can be used in melee range, so you use it in melee range
lusty grotto
i was just replying to a tag from hours ago
pallid quiver
Using it at range pretty much sacrifices rage from normal charge and, in dungeons, sacrifices the damage
sharp gale
tbf, that's about right; the APL seems to press it on cooldown anyway and even w...
I read the apl, that’s why I do it xd but ofc context change things
pallid quiver
no it's me, i'm gonna end you
sharp gale
I exterminated everything to have it
warm plinth
Yeah I think I missed a tumor
sharp gale
So no doubt on what to kill or not
warm plinth
big sadge
lusty grotto
almost sure that its all mobs inside the areas
lusty grotto
but not everywhere, like i killed the dumb basilisk, the mask worshippers, the cheese guy, the toy maker, etc
warm plinth
and you don't have to kill the worshippers
sharp gale
Every tumor, every rare mobs, (check the opened buildings bc they change each run), and make a run in mage quarter after you did the 5 portals
That’s what I did
warm plinth
Mage district is probably where I'm missing because you get that one fucking crawly bastard that avoids you. Or a light-hunter but I'm pretty good at making sure I get those
sharp gale
Yes clap revenge in the void
next pasture
we do this pull yesterday and my healer is like "no offense... but if we had a tank that didn't need babysitting on this boss, then i could deal with the lynx pounces easier" and i legit died inside
is this real? i see warriors doing this pull, do they chain it? or just do it straight up
sharp gale
For rogues
warm plinth
we do this pull yesterday and my healer is like "no offense... but if we had a t...
Idk but I like your beyblade thing on your pfp
warm plinth
https://youtube.com/shorts/Qzmcbblrdyw?si=QGQfKs0_nR8DOLQv
As a prot warrior, I am happy there are three crit/haste shields though 
sharp gale
I think I never pulled lynx in priory, maybe the patrol upstairs have some but idk what they do
next pasture
<https://youtu.be/dtb6LZuAZuc?si=oQ1ahSAGPKWhyrIm&t=456>
lol, i start watching that and like 10 seconds in i hear "ps next bleed", i have a resto sham
maybe disc makes it easier since it just prevents damage
we did sap and imprison a sharpshooter
next pasture
well the issue was people getting globaled by lynxes/shoots
sharp gale
it's sad that it's literally impossible to craft a shield
I’m still with the crafted shield today
lusty grotto
so make them do the thing like they do in sense's group
literally just move, since the pounces are dodgeable
warm plinth
<https://youtu.be/dtb6LZuAZuc?si=oQ1ahSAGPKWhyrIm&t=456>
My favorite part of this is Sense going "I'm scared here" then avoids the barrier completely until the last couple seconds
lusty grotto
thats all they do
next pasture
literally just move, since the pounces are dodgeable
in the video it also seems like they're nuking the adds, where we were trying to keep them alive longer for funnel for rogue
i feel like that is kinda trolling i guess
warm plinth
You know what does more damage than the rogue's funnel? Staying alive 
echo egret
Which minibosses can you skip in ToP military wing ?
lusty grotto
all of them, but you gotta find % in lich wing
echo egret
We skipped 1st one and it got pulled when people were flung downwards during the boss fight
sharp gale
Yes I don’t see how you can skip the 1st
charred shard
y but i'm saying in terms of observation volume, that's what happens
next pasture
We skipped 1st one and it got pulled when people were flung downwards during the...
okay, so you can't skip the first
echo egret
I know you can skip 3rd for sure.
I was told I can skip 1st, but then it got pulled during the bossfight. Was that bad luck ?
sharp gale
Nim you can skip the first but the boss send people on him
sharp gale
A truel
echo egret
That ended up an "interesting" bossfight.
charred shard
for 2nd lieut best is to have a lock to put gate from stairs to patrol. Otherwise u put a marker before the door arch and then move speed it. 3rd lieut is the same: I usually put a marker before the separation of the lasts bones of the bridge while we fight 2nd lieut. Then we do patrol, and as soon as killed, i do a timer 4-5 and everyone pack on the marker + move speed
sharp gale
And if people manage to stay alive, the mini boss snap in the boss room btw
lusty grotto
the other 2 you can
just so there's no confusion
now, should you? depends
you certainly dont need to skip any of the last two on 12-14
16+ maybe
charred shard
i mean skipping the 3rd is really easy even in pug and it's a good 2-3 minutes won back
no point not doing it
not like it require potions or shit
sharp gale
Just put a marker and /pull
lusty grotto
my point is you dont need to do it in that key level range
im not saying that you should not
only that you dont need to do it
sharp gale
Yeah I didn’t do it in my 14
frosty mango
you can skip first by hugging right with speed boost
as long as you get down the stairs and to the right before he activates youre good
charred shard
well our role as a tank is to make the run as smoothly as possible. To me that means as little stress as possible for the rest of the grp. Having a large timer is a good contributor of that so i don't really see why the key level matters if I can make the run super ez to everyone
sharp gale
Doing weird shit do the exact opposite
charred shard
how is that weird?
lusty grotto
i think youre looking way too much into what im saying
you do skips in keys for timer purposes, the point is a 14 does not need those to be timed
charred shard
I mean i'm the first to oppose crap like tailoring your comp around shaman or dk to walk on water and skip Bubbles in Flood. But doing a timer or using an umbrella before jumping is not exactly stressing
lusty grotto
the mini bosses arent additional stress either lmao
they are just a waste of time as in inneficient, same as the hopgoblin patrol in cinderbrew
sharp gale
how is that weird?
Skipping mobs with a pull timer + speed boost is unusual for 99% of players
So don’t do weird shit when you don’t need it
frosty mango
if youre gonna skip minibosses make sure you establish that up front
because pugs WILL just yolo into them
sharp gale
And ask if someone never did it
frosty mango
I just did DFC and my revenge was still like 20cpm
but my overall was low because my other dpsers were no bueno
sad
sharp gale
I don’t do DfC a lot, so I can’t check lot of logs (I don’t like the dungeon)
frosty mango
I don’t do DfC a lot, so I can’t check lot of logs (I don’t like the dungeon)
you got way more shield slams than me tho
slammy jofflu
sharp gale
Im eating fromage while disguised as Napoleon btw
lusty grotto
lmaooo
sinful copper
I just did DFC and my revenge was still like 20cpm
Oooh my revenge is 20cpm too!
How do u guys log? I have raider.io desktop client. Can I do it through there? I thought it used to auto log and I'd just have to upload it
sharp gale
I think I have loggerhead
lucid mica
I think I use loggerhead but I don't remember
sharp gale
I don’t live log, so when I’m done I just open wcl ingame and upload the file
lusty grotto
i used bigwigs for a long time and MRT, but then i swapped to raider.io for DF
i dont live log either
sinful copper
i used bigwigs for a long time and MRT, but then i swapped to raider.io for DF
Raider.io for logging?
lusty grotto
yes
sinful copper
Yeah that's what I used to use. It used to auto log every time and then I'd just upload and archive the file
But now it doesn't and I don't see an option
frosty mango
I just use the MRT auto logger
and if I wanna log a dungeon I just go upload it
I have a script that wipes my log folder once every month
but generally speaking I log everything I just dont upload it
lusty grotto
same
frosty mango
Just write a batch script to delete the log files
Schedule it once a month or week
Works like a charm
I feel like I still craft ring, right?
because were gonna get the dumb belt and then I'm gonna be crafting a ring anyway
sharp gale
With the delve bet coming, I’m more in doubt on belt things
warm plinth
Got it in the most half-assed run ever lol
spark mortar
So if I have the Faded Championship ring, is that a safe bet to swap out with Circe's coupled with Jastors?
spark mortar
Heroic only. No Myth on my side.
lusty grotto
sim
spark mortar
Off to the sim then.
lusty grotto
but maxed 8/8 hero track rings are better
i hope you didnt buy the jastor with dinars
spark mortar
Nope.
lusty grotto
nice
spark mortar
I'm still sitting on the Dinars.
lusty grotto
absolutely, those 2 rings will be your best until myth tracks
spark mortar
Crafted an almost max shield (just need a few more guilded).
lusty grotto
circe sims lower than 8/8 hero track for sure
spark mortar
Wondering what would be the best usage of Dinars at this stage.
lusty grotto
myth pace and myth tome
sharp gale
I replaced cyrce on prot with a 658 ring in raid build (the dfc ring)
spark mortar
Pace seems pretty awesome.
sharp gale
Pacemaker is the one I would tend to / you have 3 dinars anyway
But when I’m on my alts I have the brain of using items on different specs, so maybe I have a bias
paper crypt
I replaced cyrce on prot with a 658 ring in raid build (the dfc ring)
Why are you cheating on cyrce?
sharp gale
Yes that’s why I would buy pace first but maybe this gentleman only play prot
sharp gale
Why are you cheating on cyrce?
It was like 3-4 months ago, she was a short term relationship
I replaced cyrce last week as fury tho
paper crypt
😭
sharp gale
2 crafted ring baby
sharp gale
Nah now I have a 684 bandit ring 7k mastery
Fuck the bitch
(Yes my craft lasted 1 week)
round pendant
cyrce sucks
frosty mango
Nah now I have a 684 bandit ring 7k mastery
Every time it drops for us it’s always vers
No one wants that shit
paper crypt
Cyrce was there for me when I was a two week noob and it'll be there on my finger until some quest green replaces it. As is WoW tradition.
patent scroll
Absolutely unethical
paper crypt
Oh my that's gorgeous
warm plinth
That's a lot of mastery
paper crypt
Need one of those ASAP
sharp gale
So gorgeous that hoc make me lose dps on fury
patent scroll
Vault is reserved for .3% upgrades or S.A.D. each week
paper crypt
What does luck even do?
warm plinth
Makes races with spinnies or jumpies always do it
paper crypt
Based
sharp gale
So cool points
warm plinth
sharp gale
Unfortunately
coarse latch
Hey now you can flip everytime you jump if you're a class that does that 
Ope did not read the conversation after that lol mb
sharp gale
The bonus is I don’t want hoc (so maybe prot dinar ???)
naive delta
Hey all, may I get some reassurance on sim's choice of GV this week? I used the APL in pins for the Myth Tome, and yet my results are still saying it sims less then grabbing a S.A.D? Are Hero Mechano/Funhouse just that strong or did I mess something up?
sharp gale
You simmed in AoE, tome is a single target trinket
naive delta
Oh is it only ST? I thought I had read it could be viable for keys as well.
sharp gale
ST is important in keys
That’s why you can’t perfectly sim keys, since you need both AoE and ST
naive delta
Ah, I gotcha, I took that as raid only type ST. I'll try simming again in ST as well. I appreciate the insight.
sharp gale
Yes it will stonks on dungeon bosses - lower uptime on trashs bc you get hit (getting hit increase the stacks, switching you to the mode you don’t want)
But in raid it’s 110k dps in hero for me
lusty grotto
Hey all, may I get some reassurance on sim's choice of GV this week? I used the ...
link sim
sharp gale
Just the damage proc alone
naive delta
Would it be better to sim this at 1,30 fight length? Or the default 5m?
sharp gale
In ST dungeon bosses, I do 3 min
naive delta
link sim
Sure, here you are https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nUPEW9AczvC394yjqkiXNj
sharp gale
It saves dinar headaches
naive delta
are you siming for vault options?
I am, sorry if that was unclear. I definitely thought that would be the go to pick, which is why I was hesitant to believe this random ring was better. 🥲
lusty grotto
random ring is not better yea
tome is good through out, its only 0.6% under for a 1.5 min portion, which is normal
sharp gale
- random ring is just 3 ilvl higher than random crafted ring
naive delta
Okay, thank you all for the valuable input! I appreciate you both saving me from making a bad decision.
sharp gale
And for your gear I would suggest to just spam crafted gear
We can craft 6 (7?) pieces rn
naive delta
I'll definitely look into that as I get more crest. Thanks for the advice. 🙂
sharp gale
The order I personnaly do (at start of a season ofc) : shield, weapon then the less likely items I would pick in the next vault
naive delta
Yeah I was considering crafting a weapon and/or chest as I've had no luck with both this season. Got the weapon at the start of the season and only just got my hands on a Hero chest despite all my efforts.
sharp gale
Yes the shield + wep are important asap to be maxed, then I really just craft what I will not take in vaults (like the neck or ring or low stats slots)
Neck and ring is specific to this season for my choices
2 neck in entire m+ loot table
And a billion rings in top
naive delta
Also, walking back to my Tome discussion a bit: is keeping Funhouse worth the double on use with Tome or should I stick with the Mechano-Core until I get the IO for Myth Pacemaker?
Those are great suggestions as well. Duly noted!
dense cradle
You can activate the mode switch without putting your other on use on cd
dense cradle
if your lens lands on crit its a funny time
lusty grotto
functions similar to anvil, like they mentioned it doesnt trigger trinket cd
naive delta
Oh for real? That's crazy good.
torn gulch
sharp gale
Bc when you acquire a new item, maybe that belt with diff stats is your new best belt
round cliff
it feels straight up not worth to pick up any potion in vision other than sanity
warm plinth
It's not
lusty grotto
correct
warm plinth
It wasn't in bfa either
sharp gale
If they remove the cast
lusty grotto
especially since they can fuck you
warm plinth
The negative when they wear off is unnecessary
lusty grotto
fire can make you vomit at the most random time and then you're absolutely fucked
sharp gale
Im eating cheesecake while disguised as Napoleon btw
round cliff
the -70% haste debuff from old town pisses me offfffff
lusty grotto
hell yeah happy
you can reflect
the poison
press reflect before you go into a pack
round cliff
ic
lusty grotto
they'll reapply it but...
round cliff
ill try it
lusty grotto
it gives you some leeway
sharp gale
You dumb, you can just gnome racial 
warm plinth
If it helps, it's not dispellable. So everyone has to suffer it
sharp gale
The haste debuff affix is also atrocious
round cliff
affix?
sharp gale
Madness
sharp gale
You have a madness which give you time warp or opposite
sharp gale
Stormwind
round cliff
i havent seen it am i dum
quiet crane
Is echoing void bugged currently does anyone know? Heard some people talk about it in raid last night
lusty grotto
that we know of
sharp gale
When your gcd will be 1.5 sec you will notice
lusty grotto
not that we know of*
lusty grotto
thats not a bug thats a feature, since it pulls ahead on pure ST
sharp gale
(I tried multiple corruptions on mug)
lusty grotto
but mug/sprocket are just 2 fights out of the whole season
sharp gale
And TD is 1.5-2 %
sharp gale
Yes echoing is underperforming (I was fury but feral etc too)
round cliff
you wont notice the dps increase from void ritual in content that matters, but you will notice when twilight dev nukes a pack in trivial content like visions
thus, twilight dev better
i rest my case
warm plinth
@sharp gale are you EU?
sharp gale
TD suffers huge by the target cap
sharp gale
<@247128537994231808> are you EU?
Yes
round cliff
TD suffers huge by the target cap
still deletes multiple mobs in visions when it procs
warm plinth
We have the damage debuff/damage buff circle and the leech from friends and enemies thing
in tainted area
sharp gale
And I developed the consipary theory that it procs more when you are facing 1 single mob
sharp gale
I guess the madnesses are not consistent across region then
I noticed it with the double madness mask
sharp gale
You don’t have Stormwind this week ?
warm plinth
We do
sharp gale
It’s old town mask
warm plinth
We don't have that madness active this week
warm plinth
Nah just changes on reset like anything else
sharp gale
There are things that reset on Saturday in EU
warm plinth
For visions?
warm plinth
Oh. I mean, I suppose it's possible but that would be a change from how it was in BFA
So I kinda doubt it
sharp gale
8 masks is a change
lusty grotto
madnesses change daily
i know cause i started 5 mask runs on tuesday when they came out
warm plinth
Interesting, good to know
lusty grotto
and wednesday they were different
i could be wrong though lol
but i just remembered that they changed
sharp gale
Just delete the slow one blizz
warm plinth
Yeah I don't care for the disorient/fear combo in lost zones either
Though today is leaden/disorient which is w/e
gleaming knoll
Thanks again for the help with that pull, timed my Floodgate 12 and got resilient keys now <33
dense cradle
the stupid thing is when the image spawn one spawns z axis
sharp gale
I had a combo lil fire bump into the stun image
warm plinth
Can just go under the z axis one though
I force the z axis one sometimes in some areas
but if you can't get out, just run into it 🤷♂️ it's shorter than waiting for it to despawn. Though don't do that with burned bridge mask next week because you'll spawn puddles under yourself while disoriented
sharp gale
It was maybe the funniest mask the puddle one
For me
(I maybe have to remind ppl, I enjoyed and enjoy visions)
warm plinth
I adore visions. And am having a lot of fun getting to experience them again
Still sadge they didn't give us more zones this time though
sharp gale
I hope 8 masks will make the trashs more challenging bc with sanity reduction next week…
undone beacon
It would’ve been so goddamn cool to see a vision of another city but I get that this is supposed to be quick filler
lusty grotto
it serves its purpose
undone beacon
Horrific Vision of Oribos
lusty grotto
and 8 masks is a good increase
round pendant
Shield Charge cast count is fucked in logs?
sharp gale
They could have done Dornogal Vision
round pendant
angy
sharp gale
At least current expansion city
round pendant
nim go review errol's log
covert helm
I had a combo lil fire bump into the stun image <:keks:936231610850897992>
I despise split personality so much
round cliff
At least current expansion city <:sadge:820202363359854633>
ill take any excuse to hate stormwind more and walk around orgrimmar more
covert helm
I keep on forgetting about it, charge and get insta stunned
undone beacon
I was surprised we didn’t get visions of Boralus and Dazar’Alor in BFA considering they were our faction capitals for the xpac but I digress
warm plinth
Tbf they would've sucked
sick sentinel
Does anyone knows around how much io you need to get the title?
warm plinth
The classic cities work because they're all segmented into neat sections
undone beacon
Does anyone knows around how much io you need to get the title?
At least 7 probably
undone beacon
The classic cities work because they're all segmented into neat sections
Fair, yeah
warm plinth
They could've done UC/IF though; that would've been cool
undone beacon
They could've done UC/IF though; that would've been cool
Too bad they blew up UC. Vision of Thunder Bluff?
sick sentinel
At least 7 probably
7 what? Title range io for example 3700 io or smth
undone beacon
Oh I was just being a shit ignore me
sharp gale
3700? My brew friend is lacking
round pendant
The hell is with entering The Upside Down when the tank pulls big momma
covert helm
Does anyone knows around how much io you need to get the title?
Impossible to know yet I feel, but probably quite high this season due to turbo boost and corruptions making all keys a couple levels easier
covert helm
yeh
Depends a bit on the spec as well, like on pala twilight dev on gallywix is doing a couple % of my overall atm
but then on like bdk my corruption does like 1%
but generally it's like 1-2 ilvls worth probably when we get the major one
round pendant
guess I gotta get on that
covert helm
It's really fast
sharp gale
It takes 40 min max
covert helm
yeh, I got enough for all my 8 chars in an hour
wasnt optimal routing either tbh as was just going off old bfa memories
sharp gale
The first vision, just kill alleria and leave
Then 1 or 2 easy wings, then 2 easy wings until you finished the quest
round cliff
woo
round cliff
i love worms
sharp gale
Would you kill me and leave if I was a worm ?
warm plinth
Probably lmao
sharp gale
Probably lmao
warm plinth
❤️
sinful copper
Yo can prot warrior tank venting flames from kujo?
warm plinth
On low keys, sure. On anything relevant, no
sinful copper
Damn, dh and dk privilege
chilly brook
Yo can prot warrior tank venting flames from kujo?
Doesn’t really gain you anything of value to do so anyways
warm plinth
Yeah it's like 3 seconds of dps and only for you
sinful copper
It's an extra 100k DPS from me
warm plinth
yuge
sinful copper
Every second counts!
round pendant
doesn't spell block work?
chilly brook
That boss just sucks
pallid quiver
i don't even think BDK could live through it on relevant levels without purg popping
warm plinth
Yes, it does
chilly brook
You’d lose far more time if you die than you’d gain
sharp gale
In 12 I just stay on the boss
pallid quiver
And yeah, you can spell block venting flames.
just crit block so hard you immune it
ez
sharp gale
(I press a cd obviously)
warm plinth
ezpz lemon squeezy
sinful copper
Bdk can prob do it in 18s
sharp gale
With my 45% crit block chance ahh
chilly brook
Bdk can prob do it in 18s
Doubtful
round pendant
imo the boss should just like drop a shield bubble that you can still dps from
way better design
warm plinth
Or wait, I have an idea
sharp gale
Delete the boss
round pendant
that works
sinful copper
Or we can hit it from a side of the box for 4 years and then blizz decides one day they'll patch it
warm plinth
Make it so the damage is prevented not by LoS, but by a hiding buff, and you can use the buff on the edge of the box and continue DPSing
nocturne spindle
I've tanked with with SB and something else on 16s
warm plinth
nocturne spindle
Zug zug the dog
round pendant
yeah that box trick was annoying as fuck though
chilly brook
It wasn’t
warm plinth
Eh, it was second nature by the end of the season in BFA. Almost didn't even look at the WA
chilly brook
It was easy
sinful copper
Yoda had a video on how to set it up 100% for your dps
round pendant
I didn't like doing it 😔
chilly brook
You learn it once and never end up having a problem
sharp gale
4 box with 4 AoE spread on players would be more fun at least
warm plinth
You can still do some damage to the dog I'm sure
Using the corner trick
only Auto attacks though
sinful copper
Doubt it
warm plinth
It wasn't part of the buff
sharp gale
Yes you can still auto him
warm plinth
It's just clipping on the corners of the box
sinful copper
Oh for rage gen!!!
chilly brook
Like fr I don’t see why they felt the need to change it
warm plinth
I agree, pointless change
sinful copper
Yeah after so many years. Like wtf
sharp gale
Yeah bfa blizzard was ABSOLUTELY 0 changes in dungeons for 2 years
Now it’s the exact opposite
coarse latch
For the azerok fight after we get the enraged mob down, do I switch back to the boss? Or do I try to get the other one down. I've only ever healed ML
sharp gale
Yes focus charged add then boss
unborn island
Question for you guys. What level key do you start pulling the pack onto 3rd boss in Workshop?
I just got flamed for not doing it in a 16...I've literally never done that before
sharp gale
The boss will spawn another standard add if you kill it anyway
coarse latch
The boss will spawn another standard add if you kill it anyway
Ok ty
unborn island
I guess it makes sense to do it, as everyone should have lust and cd's, but was just wondering
warm plinth
I'm not doing that unless a pug proves themselves before then because that sounds sketchy as fuck lol
unborn island
I mean, it should all die before the boss, like, has cogs all over the place
with lust and all cd's
but just....yeah
warm plinth
Yeah, it should. But like I said, pugs would have to prove themselves earlier in the key before I'd make that call
Too easy to have a needless wipe otherwise
unborn island
i timed a 15 with like 5.5 mins to spare without doing it, so who knows
round pendant
are your puggers gamers?
warm plinth
You're the only gamer I need yam
unborn island
hah, given they're pugging 16's like me, probably not 😛
round cliff
5 mask time
sharp gale
i timed a 15 with like 5.5 mins to spare without doing it, so who knows
5min30 is 10% under the timer ?
round cliff
i got my route planned maybe
warm plinth
Ok so for posterity just to be 100% sure (side note)
round pendant
You're the only gamer I need yam
unborn island
5min30 is 10% under the timer ?
nearly +2
warm plinth
Tainted: power circle + bloodthirsty
Corrupted: scorched + stun add
Lost: disorient+slow
Gonna check tomorrow
sharp gale
I don’t remember +2 is 20% right now?
sharp gale
Because if you did under 10% of timer, it means you can do exact same in the lvl above
unborn island
which is still >10% under
sharp gale
Since it’s 10% more hp on stuff
sinful copper
5m30 is 10% under timer if the timer is 53 min
sinful copper
Your dps were 665 too?
unborn island
so should be easily doable with those pulls in 16
chilly brook
i timed a 15 with like 5.5 mins to spare without doing it, so who knows
You clearly have people who actually do big dam
sharp gale
5m30 is 10% under timer if the timer is 53 min
Only in worlds with 100 seconds in a minute
round pendant
5m30 is 10% under timer if the timer is 53 min
55 min but yes
unborn island
You clearly have people who actually do big dam
hah, i re-checked, and it was 3:30 under, but yeah, it was a good run
everyone else who was in that run is 3500+ now, so seems it's because they were good
sinful copper
Only in worlds with 100 seconds in a minute
That's the world I want to live in. Why would anyone decide 60 and 24 were good
sharp gale
Some Europeans with gunboats decided I guess
round pendant
The only thing the French were right about
They wanted to make days be 10 hours and hours be 100 minutes
sinful copper
A prot warrior can take on gunboats
ruby musk
Can tanks eat two dud bombs on Gally (heroic)? Or do they have to be split 1 per tank?
sinful copper
Question for you guys. What level key do you start pulling the pack onto 3rd bos...
I'd rather do the cc dog trick and pull full room and then skip last pulls in dungeon instead to save time
sharp gale
Why you admit we were right with 10 hours in a day but not with kilometers
unborn island
I'd rather do the cc dog trick and pull full room and then skip last pulls in du...
didn't they fix that?
sinful copper
They did?
round pendant
Why you admit we were right with 10 hours in a day but not with kilometers
km is better too
warm plinth
🤔
round pendant
Yeah dog root is fixed
sharp gale
Shush, or send me how long is your foot, to measure my banana
round pendant
Since 2 days ago
round pendant
I'm sorry
warm plinth
We're just the ones too stubborn to give it up
sharp gale
They're the ones that came up with the imperial system
While disguised as Napoleon, I despised you are talking about the British Empire
warm plinth
eh?
round cliff
crazy stuff
warm plinth
What do you mean by that
sharp gale
Im in a Napoleon costume rn
warm plinth
Oh did she get stuck fighting something
round cliff
What do you mean by that
she simply is not here
i cant open the door
no shes not in combat
warm plinth
weird
round cliff
she disappeared after saying she got the key
sinful copper
she disappeared after saying she got the key
U got betrayed
round cliff
i looked around for her!
she was with me the whole time
unless she was in the WAY back
but she said she got the key
so she was w/ me at the miniboss
sharp gale
U LOST HER
round cliff
are u guys going out of ur way for the buffs in the rooms
warm plinth
YOU LEFT HER BEHIND YOU MONSTER
round cliff
or do they take too much time
round cliff
landmines takes like 5 sec and is 10% dam feels worth
but both cathedral buffs are either way out of the way or take forever
warm plinth
I've never really gone for them unless I was just feeling like it. They aren't necessary
round cliff
vibes based 5masking
round cliff
but its 3 waves
warm plinth
Nah, that's the haste buff
round cliff
o
round cliff
im going dwarven district first tho
round cliff
yea i see ur guys route abt going to trade district first
warm plinth
Lot of people seem to be. I've always done the other side first
Don't think it matters much
round cliff
at least nim's route
he pulls up to the exit towards trade district, then doubles back to kill guards/start rp
warm plinth
Oh, I do not do that
round cliff
i just make a hard left, kill the guards, start rp and then keep going towards dwarven district
warm plinth
I go straight down right side, skipping the 2 dudes next to potion. I pull that pull to the end of the tunnel to los (going farther is kind of coutnerproductive since the crawler guys take 18 years to catch up)
I do guards + RP when I port back after mage
since you end up right there anyway
round cliff
im gonna say a hot take
there might be merit to going dwarven -> old town first and NOT porting back
entering trade district from old town gives u such a more favorable route thru old town
at least in my imo
warm plinth
Eh you could just go around the side if you really wanted to go in the other way though
warm plinth
I assume you meant it gives you a more favorable route through trade?
round cliff
yea
warm plinth
Yeah trade is kind of fucked; I hate that they have that one cage up away from everything
Pointlessly annoying XD
warm plinth
Interestingly enough, method's guide recommends doing mage>trade>old town>dwarven
So mage>port>trade>old town>port>dwarven>port
Do they even have odd crystals in these visions though? I haven't noticed any but haven't really been looking either.
round cliff
Interestingly enough, method's guide recommends doing mage>trade>old town>dwarve...
but why
warm plinth
They don't stand out at all like the rest of the stuff; they've always been things you had to specifically check their spawns for
I think their shit is outdated maybe?
sharp gale
Maybe you need max treasure tribute
warm plinth
Nah because crystals are one of the things you have to collect to unlock that
Potions and crystals
sharp gale
You don’t see potions when you start
warm plinth
You do, potions are always visible
warm plinth
The tribute is so you can see chests
The levels are the zone difficulties
level 1 you see chests in tainted, 2 you see chests in corrupted, 3 you see chests in lost
sinful copper
Man, people rly love visions
warm plinth
I think it's one of those things where you love them or you hate them
round pendant
guess which side I'm on
sharp gale
I enjoyed the thorgast wing that was only cosmetic
warm plinth
guess which side I'm on
Love obviously
round pendant
round cliff
we craft w/ crit/haste always i assume
round pendant
nah I'm neutral on em
warm plinth
Yeah I'm like
90% sure that they just didn't put the crystals in this time around
Maybe they were there on PTR and they just decided to scrap them idk
sharp gale
Are you a fucking bdk
round cliff
i like moving fast
sharp gale
It’s so whatever the crit dmg, just choose what you prefer
round cliff
i have movement gem
warm plinth
Yeah they are 100% not in these visions; I didn't remember all the locations but turns out I remembered two (going by a video from BFA), and there were no crystals at them. This was in Cathedral district where there are only 3 possible spawns, so there would have had to be a crystal at one of them, and here are all three in one vision
I'm assuming they were maybe there on PTR so they included them in the guide (or more likely just recycled most of the guide content from BFA and just added in what wasn't there)
dense cradle
guess which side I'm on
im almost at open 500 delve chests achieve
where do i get my medal of mental illness
sharp gale
Another question, who finished undermine campaign here ?
round pendant
not me
lusty grotto
i did
sharp gale
Loremaster Nim
lusty grotto
i gotta run my rogue to get the chest mog but yea
sharp gale
I started, kill Gallywix before I receive the quest to kill him, never returned it
lusty grotto
thats more or less the end, the other is the RP for the rogue
sharp gale
One day you have to do a lore recap on wtf is going on
warm plinth
old person voice: BACK IN MY DAY THIS WAS 100k MEMENTOS
round pendant
do I do some 2am +10 healer keys
round pendant
actually nvm I cba
lusty grotto
lazy recolor
round pendant
this mount blows so much
lusty grotto
warm plinth
this mount blows so much
They're little better than worm mounts to me
round pendant
I gotta admit I stopped caring about mounts when they devalued my spectral gryphon
warm plinth
devalued how
round pendant
devalued how
Well it was RAF only and then they released it on the trading post
it was my rarest mount!
warm plinth
I had the first 3 RAF mounts once upon a time, but lost them all due to my account getting stolen and put on another b.net
round pendant
warm plinth
Only managed to regain the rocket before they swapped to the next rendition of RAF
But I do have the newer RAF mount
the plane
round pendant
I don't really care too much but it made me realise that there's no point trying to get anything that's "prestigious"/rare (as much as videogame mounts can be) because they'll just re-release it
lmao
warm plinth
well, I guess it's two mounts but do ground mounts even count anymore
warm plinth
are algari missives the most recent ones?
round pendant
they're still doing RAF mounts?
round pendant
are algari missives the most recent ones?
yeah
warm plinth
they're still doing RAF mounts?
Yeah the most recent one is shorter than the one prior that I have
This is the newest RAF mount
Takes 6 months of sub
round pendant
neat
warm plinth
Last one was these two
warm plinth
I have never gotten an RAF mount recruiting someone else
round cliff
my ass aint paying for 2 subs
warm plinth
Always recruited myself, but it's hard to convince myself it's worth it now that I can't use RAF to level a fuckload of toons fast
Back in the day you got free level grants, bonus XP when grouped, it was great
Now you get jack shit
I don't even think you can summon each other anymore
sharp gale
Im talking to my 12 y old cousin at 3 am and he is explaining about vbucks saving
warm plinth
Oh I forgot the best part of the last RAF cycle
round pendant
Last one was these two
yo does the camel flyy
warm plinth
@round pendant https://gyazo.com/76012509a1275aaf78a6ea1ede0922cb
round pendant
wait is that a camel or a llama
warm plinth
Nah, ground mount only, but he is a passenger mount
round pendant
cute
round pendant
<@71384769899794432> https://gyazo.com/76012509a1275aaf78a6ea1ede0922cb
what am I looking at
warm plinth
That set/weapon enchant is from the last RAF too (not the weapon, just the enchant)
round pendant
oh wtf
warm plinth
The armor set required a full year of subbing
round pendant
why does RAF get better shit than the most expensive edition of expansions 😔
ig they get more money but still!
warm plinth
There is one good part of the newest RAF though; only one month doesn't give you an in-game item
1 month is a pet, 2 months is a pretty cool animated saw weapon, 3 months is a back cosmetic with what looks like some sort of creature inside it, 4 months is a month of game time, 5 months is a helm, and then 6 months is the mount I posted above
sorry for bad screenshots; they're from the dressing room window on the RAF thing which is tiny af
round pendant
the person who gets recruited gets all the stuff too right?
lusty grotto
yup
warm plinth
I don't think the recruits get the stuff
They definitely dont' get the game time
But on top of all the cosmetics, you also used to get 300% more XP (iirc) when grouped with your recruit
Now the only thing you get is a summon every 30 mins (only while the link is active) and the recruit gets an "extra spacious knapsack" which is a 30 slot bag
round pendant
huge
lusty grotto
I don't think the recruits get the stuff
they get the cosmetics
im pretty sure
unless that changed
cause i did the very first one... about a decade ago
and we both got the rocket
warm plinth
Could be. I could probably jump on one of my other accounts to check but ngl I can't really be bothered
round cliff
am i late to the party
pallid quiver
i mean you beat me to it
i didn't really care to push beyond +10s or even to play past week 2 or 3 or something, either, but
round cliff
i wanted my mount
lusty grotto
gz fruiter
warm plinth
I've gained like 12 ilevel today
lusty grotto
ncie
warm plinth
Imagine actually getting an upgrade from the vision vendor btw
had a 610 shield when I logged on today; now I got that juicy champ shield
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
uhhhhhh
I can log on and check real fast
I don't think I can, but I might've gotten it
round cliff
do i even wanna craft chest tho 🤔
-3 ilvls on highest stat piece
or 2nd highest w/e
pallid quiver
I believe I can with concentration; if you do decide to craft it, holler at me
warm plinth
You're a warrior, why are you thinking
round pendant
am i late to the party
gz!!
round cliff
am i later to the party
round pendant
nah I got that today too
round cliff
almond joys are good wtf why did nobody tell me this
nocturne spindle
Cause you have terrible taste and theyre bad
lusty grotto
i gotta be honest
ive never tried it
i was a Crunch kid
and butterfingers
kit kat too ofc
and snickers too
sinful copper
Snickers are #1
mortal cypress
They fucked all the names up
Marathon is way better than snickers
Opal fruits better than star burst
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
for the hangriness
warm plinth
It was discontinued in 1981
lusty grotto
round pendant
How old are ya nim
coarse latch
100 grand
Those are so good
They look like old people candy but it's delicious carmely chocolate
lusty grotto
warm plinth
Jesus, that multitudes mask don't play huh
Went from 1 to 5 masks just to see how it'd go and god damn I did not expect THAT many mobs 😂
coarse latch
How do little squishy little boomys do it
warm plinth
I am going to experiment with pull size but my gear is not great so not sure how well that'll go. May have to wait til next week to do 5 mask when I can get burned bridge mask
round cliff
next week there'll be no bragging rights tho cuz more upgrades
warm plinth
I'm a mid tier player; I ain't pretending to be anything more than that lol
If I were 670 like most folks are, I'd probably give it a go, but I'm 638
cerulean tusk
Most folk are 680 now, no?
round cliff
im 675 as of today so im prob geared enough
warm plinth
Most folk are 680 now, no?
idk I was guessing
Either way, a lot higher ilevel than I am
solid sun
I’m 676
warm plinth
Wowhead has weird suggestions lol
cerulean tusk
681, and I don't raid
warm plinth
Yes wowhead, when you have a limited amount of time and more mobs get added, you should obviously pull smaller!
solid sun
I also don’t raid :(
warm plinth
Think the magic 5 mask combo will be burned bridge, dark imagination, nemesis, daredevil, and pained
I am curious if the Rexxar bug will still work this time around
lucid rapids
!wa
shrewd plinth
I managed the 5 mask this week as fury
you pull pretty close to the edge of danger constantly though
coarse latch
do we have a dungeon utility spreadsheet similar to shaman? not necessarily utility specifically, but dungeons where specific talents are more useful and arent included in the default wowhead build
round cliff
Yes wowhead, when you have a limited amount of time and more mobs get added, you...
only thing to know with multitudes is that if ur gonna pull into bosses, have cooldowns available
which u should anyways
i try not to kill a boss unless it'll die in 3 globals
shrewd plinth
do we have a dungeon utility spreadsheet similar to shaman? not necessarily util...
tldr, we have so many core talents that you kinda got to take that our access to utility is pretty limited without sacrificing big dam or big survivability
coarse latch
tldr, we have so many core talents that you kinda got to take that our access to...
ok, thats good to know thanks - seems kinda a bummer its that way 😮
warm plinth
i try not to kill a boss unless it'll die in 3 globals
Yeah I don't think any boss is dying in 3 globals for me at 638 not in a 5 mask anyway
lusty grotto
do we have a dungeon utility spreadsheet similar to shaman? not necessarily util...
no
the only change you make is
spear in low target pull dungeons
instead of troar
thats it
round cliff
i think i need to do my best to get thru 2 zones per orb
i was close on my last attempt but had to orb before dwarven district boss
elite exterm isnt maxed yet tho
lusty grotto
thats not a realistic goal
if you do 2 zones per orb, youre gonna be extremely fucked in mage quarter
round cliff
ur saying i need more than 2 per orb?
round cliff
why fucked in mage quarter then
lusty grotto
you can do dwarven + old town with 1 orb
but trade into mage quarter will most certainly use 2 orbs
lusty grotto
orbs dont matter if you get to alleria with a full sanity bar, or even over 75% of it
round cliff
ive been letting it be decided by which cathedral buff is up and just going in the direction
round cliff
either bear or man
lusty grotto
do you mean if the versa guy is up
i didnt even bother with him
or the engineering mine garbage
round cliff
dammmnn i had a good run going but i got fucked by umbric
coarse latch
i was hoping the warrior glyphs would be cooler 
There is one that makes charge have a fire trail but its small
coarse latch
clap and leap have "thunder" animations that i couldnt see at all
round cliff
this is so doable tho
round cliff
waste of time
im los'ing to help gather the entire cathedral district anyways
lusty grotto
clap and leap have "thunder" animations that i couldnt see at all
how fucking dare you
lusty grotto
those 2 glyphs have been equipped since forever
lusty grotto
🤷♂️
coarse latch
can you see the glpyh effects? i cant tell at all
round cliff
u hear the clap more than u see it
lusty grotto
you can barely see that fire in your screenshot
coarse latch
i have it at 2k but low on everything lol bc raid is so badly optimized, ill set it up higher tomorrow
lusty grotto
i have it at 2k but low on everything lol bc raid is so badly optimized, ill set...
you wont have issues again, depending on your pc