It's whatever amount of haste you'd need to reduce the CD by 2s, think that works out to be like an extra 12-13%?
#protection
round pendant
yup
wicked pollen
so you have 40?
nocturne spindle
i have like 19k
round pendant
ITF can give up to 8
nocturne spindle
this is just the flask happening to be on haste
round pendant
so 14% you only need to reach 31% flat
🤔
that doesn't sound right, I'm probably way off with the 12-13% number
wicked pollen
i think the one thing i notice when not playing with +2 sb is i dont have cherges going into new packs
because people refuse to kill mobs fast
round pendant
feels like something someone should have figured out already so I'll just let whoever that is come through with the numbers
round pendant
shield charge complicates things too
frosty mango
i sit at 21k and thats about as low as I go with ITF because its about where you can brain off and keep high uptime
round pendant
I want more haste
frosty mango
I enjoy crit, parry feels good
nocturne spindle
yea i think even if you just sim for dps
haste is king until about 21k
20k maybe?
round pendant
14.2k (26%) crit, 20.2k (36%) haste
nocturne spindle
somewehre around there is where it started wanting me to recraft off haste
also if you want to feel more comfy
you can use a haste flask
its technically worse
but if you dont use alot of combat pots its not a big deal
and can let you be consistent
frosty mango
do I craft ring or belt
sim says belt is better upgrade but I feel like ring will be a better choice
nocturne spindle
dont we get meme belt soon
frosty mango
because of belt thing
yeah we do
im at 683 and this is my last upgrade before I really wont see any more for the tier
unless I get a lucky vault
round pendant
I crafted a ring and never regretted it
same with neck
because the game just never gave me those
frosty mango
im using myth cinder neck and I have a heroic bloodoath signet
so I feel like if I craft a ring I will 100% get the signet in vault
lol
round pendant
when I simmed it myth bloodoath was worse than my crafted ring
frosty mango
when I simmed it myth bloodoath was worse than my crafted ring
it wont be for me because I shed a bunch of haste
crafted will be better but I don't imagine by much
nocturne spindle
solid sun
I finally hit 675
frosty mango
I have the loop too but the signet sims higher lol
nocturne spindle
whats signet again
frosty mango
round pendant
idk why bloodoath simmed worse than my current myth ring tho
or maybe it was slightly better and I went with something else
my memory is so bad
but I remember not picking a myth bloodoath
I have a myth wick's loop
pallid quiver
sorry, combo breaker is this weekend, i'm a little distracted
but probably a fuck ton that's not achievable, since enduring defenses gives you a disgusting amount of sb uptime. it's the strongest block talent by a lot
solid sun
What’s combo breaker
pallid quiver
Fighting game tournament major
solid sun
What game
pallid quiver
It's a major, so it's a whole truck load of them
The game I personally play the most is Under Night 2, though it's not the biggest tournament for uni
Still a major, though, so it's still real big
pallid quiver
Not this year; I thought about it, but I wanted to chill on travel a bit until later in the year
frosty mango
I have a myth wick's loop
Myth loop would prob be better as stats converge
Because the value of vers will be relatively higher
nocturne spindle
in theory you would only need an extra 2 second decrease in shield block cooldown to make up for it right?
pallid quiver
I was thinking about CEO, but that is florida
I think the next tournament I'll hit is Climax of Night off the top of my head
pallid quiver
in theory you would only need an extra 2 second decrease in shield block cooldow...
no; it applies to every source of sb application, and the duration can stack in non-intuitive ways
so it also extends SC's application of SB, for example
solid sun
Climax of night off the top of my head is a pretty interesting tournament name.
If you do end up being in a tournament you should hit us with the deets so we can tune in and cheer you on
pallid quiver
You will immediately notice the drop in uptime when swapping while in raid, where you have 100% ITF uptime, so imagine in a dungeon where you're on a boss and maybe only have the 1 stack if you have full range
pallid quiver
Climax of night off the top of my head is a pretty interesting tournament name.
...
I'll holler next time I go somewhere
wicked pollen
i notice the lack of it when going into new packs
pallid quiver
anyhow since it's semi relevant, i'mma shill Uni 2, it's a 10/10 video game, should play it if you're a fight game fan.
wicked pollen
and im just forced to keep using sb to live current pack at the end
pallid quiver
shame it doesn't have a good single player component, but it is what it is
round pendant
anyhow since it's semi relevant, i'mma shill Uni 2, it's a 10/10 video game, sho...
$50 for a game that has a small player base
maybe I'll get it on sale (I'm broke)
pallid quiver
The most likely sale time would be at Evo time, since like every fight game goes on deep sales around then
That's august or so
frosty mango
$50 for a game that has a small player base
Get Xbox pc game pass
It’s 10 bucks a month and if you like to play different shit you will get your moneys worth
Huge value for a sub service
pallid quiver
i don't even know if uni 2 is on game pass
round pendant
There's nothing on game pass I wanna play
I'm kinda just only playing wow lately
and I played exped 33 but I wanted to pay full price for that
frosty mango
Obliv remastered
Doom
Tons of great rpgs
Avowed was free on there
I mean yeah if you are very specific about what you wanna play prob not but imo for most people its prob one of the few sub services worth the price
sleek prawn
hi, guys , do better use mythic 684 shield crit/haste or take heroic 671 Gallywix shield with leech and shadow dmg ?
ocean smelt
684
sleek prawn
👍 thx
velvet tinsel
Hello guys, i had a question on vers. Im running 2% and doing 13+ keys without an issue. Im planning on running 14 and 15 soon and was wondering if i should get more versatility on higher keys or just leave it as is if im not having that much issues? Here are my stats if you want see them.
coarse latch
I'm pretty far from crafting especially now with the 681 extra lvl but does that mean I should do shield then weapon
mighty valley
Hello guys, i had a question on vers. Im running 2% and doing 13+ keys without a...
Stat balance doesn't matter that much for survival outside of keeping haste high enough, just keep increasing your ilvl and follow what sims suggest tbh
manic mural
Does mitigating the initial hit of a bleed ability reduce its dot effect at all?
manic mural
Anything we can do besides IP? And CDs
nocturne spindle
becometh dwarf
manic mural
And does demo shout help if the dot is already applied?
pallid quiver
No.
unless the ability is specifically designed that way, though you can expect that to not be the case
nocturne spindle
And does demo shout help if the dot is already applied?
yes
pallid quiver
that game design is just so unfair for prot warrior
I mean, that's just how design works. If we reduced dots that way, we'd be pretty much literally unkillable; can't be bursted, can't be dotted,
And heck, even magic dots we've got answers to with Spell Reflect, Shield Wall, healing the damage away with LS+IV, and sometimes we're even allowed to spell block magic dots. We're generally weaker to bleeds, since almost half the options I listed above suddenly drop off.
near salmon
I mean, that's just how design works. If we reduced dots that way, we'd be prett...
Good point! I guess i need to learn and play better
round pendant
Yeah it's doable
nocturne spindle
cool
round pendant
but honestly I just do that second void ascendant with 16
charred ivy
is colossus no longer way ahead in dmg? "The below build should be the basis of a standard Mythic+ build as Mountain Thane. While slight behind Colossus offensively, it makes up for it in defensive value and more frequent burst windows." for m+ ofc
round pendant
it's significantly better in aoe
nocturne spindle
yea ive been doing the void with crystal boi
but its starting to murder people on 17
round pendant
skill issue
nocturne spindle
think this way would be better
round pendant
The only difference is the 2 leaper guys which are basically entirely avoidable
🤔
but maybe idk
I haven't done 17s so
jagged pier
is colossus no longer way ahead in dmg? "The below build should be the basis of ...
is that wowhead?
round pendant
But you're forced to do that in the very next pull anyway
nocturne spindle
plus less stacks on crystal
charred ivy
it's significantly better in aoe
how much can u do overall in keys approx? im at like 2-2.2kk around. u guys doing up to 3?
round pendant
17 is the same thing
charred ivy
is that wowhead?
icy veins
jagged pier
icy veins
thats been there since the start of the patch
dont know why u think this is anything new
round pendant
how much can u do overall in keys approx? im at like 2-2.2kk around. u guys doin...
it's like 20% more in aoe afaik
charred ivy
thats been there since the start of the patch
nah was gonna try colossus cause ive been sticking to MT . was thinking if its not that big dif anymore cause maybe updates etc no point swap
round pendant
less initial stacks on the crystal though
just give it a shot ig, I've seen some 18/19s do it the way you're proposing
manic mural
I play mountain thane and when I log I do high 90 percentiles in 15/16s.
DMG seems relatively similar and I feel safer
manic mural
I guess I just play Thane better than I play colossus
charred ivy
I play mountain thane and when I log I do high 90 percentiles in 15/16s.
DMG se...
yeah i have 90 + also if i check warcraftlogs. some like 97 etc. but i do only like 12-13 when i push
manic mural
Sounds like you're doing more than enough DMG to cover your part on the meters. I would play whatever you like then. I doubt colossus vs thane is going to be the difference in timing your keys
charred ivy
yeah was just thinking try for fun cause helping ppl atm with abit lower keys 🙂
jagged pier
nah was gonna try colossus cause ive been sticking to MT . was thinking if its n...
nope still a big diff
round cliff
sorry, combo breaker is this weekend, i'm a little distracted
but probably a fu...
yo what game
charred ivy
what would u drop if u want BSV then in olossus
manic mural
nope still a big diff
Do SIMs keep IP and Shield Block uptime, or do they ignore it? Or maybe somewhere in between
jagged pier
they keep them up
frosty mango
how much can u do overall in keys approx? im at like 2-2.2kk around. u guys doin...
Depends a ton on the group, the dungeon, etc
I’ve gone as high as 4m, as low as 2m, and avg prob 2.8-3.2
velvet tinsel
Stat balance doesn't matter that much for survival outside of keeping haste high...
Nice thank you so much!!
sinful copper
Ok I'm finally entering 16 and 17 territory. Can someone go through a defensive rotation for first boss priory? Only thing that scares me in this game
I also just got a mud
sharp gale
Im around 3 m overalls like roid, 2.5 when it was thé worst run ever
sinful copper
4m in a dungeon? That's kinda nutty
manic mural
Ok I'm finally entering 16 and 17 territory. Can someone go through a defensive ...
I've been wondering this too. Biggest difference for me is pooling rage and a full IP heading into the boss. The beginning seems to be the worst and can force you to fall behind. He does 3 bleeds back to back there with overlapping judgements. Afterwards things desync for him
round pendant
what would u drop if u want BSV then in olossus
Indom
pallid quiver
yo what game
I mostly play Uni 2, though like I mentioned, I'm playing this specific tournament. Wanted to chill a bit on travel. I might pop into some tournaments later in the year, though.
pallid quiver
Ok I'm finally entering 16 and 17 territory. Can someone go through a defensive ...
This does kinda depend on what externals you have and the pulls you're doing, but it starts to be the point where you want to leverage Immovable Object for some extra Shield Wall uptime
swift zenith
Hey guys I seem some m+ pushers using combat text. do you know the most common addon for this and is it useful for prot?
sharp gale
You mean like liquid raid text WAs ?
M+ pushers spend their time doing weakauras when they are out of a key
round cliff
I mostly play Uni 2, though like I mentioned, I'm playing this specific tourname...
rare uni 2 player spotted in the wild
i dont have the constitution for a proper anime game i think id have my brain melted
never played one outside of mid-life cycle dbfz tho
pallid quiver
Uni 2 is like, animoo adjacent, since it isn't as freeform aerial movement as a lot of others, like GG or even Melty, but it does still have aerial options more than some fight games as system mechs
round cliff
im a street fighter player mainly and then i play strive casually
anything more than walking back n forth is wacky movement
pallid quiver
my condolences for living the gg strive life. goldlewis can only carry the game so much
round cliff
goldlewis my beloved
yea im just playing strive for a bit until elena comes out in sf6
then im back to streets prob
buuuut unika is coming out in strive and i wanna play her too
mighty valley
they gotta hurry up and announce the next batch of sf6 characters
let me know if i'm gonna be invested in this game
mortal cypress
goldlewis my beloved
GG has such amazingly unique chars, whereas SF always has like 5 DP chars 😦
mighty valley
when will makoto return from the war
round cliff
she died
mortal cypress
i want abigail and el fuerte and rufus and lucia
SF4 certainly had more unique than most, and abigail was fun yeah
but sf5 sucke
d
round cliff
mid-late life cycle sfv was goated
it only sucked until s3 ish
G and abigail and gill are goated fighting game characters
round pendant
they gotta hurry up and announce the next batch of sf6 characters
They'll somehow pick all the worst ones again
Imagine creating G and then not immediately putting him in the next game
And yeah sfv was really good at the end, I still can't stand 6
coarse latch
is mr lock n stalk basically always better on precision mode then? the wow head guide says good single target damage trinket
urban bane
round pendant
Street fighter 5
solid sun
Is there a way to determine from a log how long you tanked the boss in comparison to the other tank
round pendant
Threat tab
patent scroll
Hm, this 5 mask is turning out to be a bit of a pain
sharp gale
It is tricky, I tried a run today still that mage quarter holding me (bc I’m bad and I get hit) but hogger kill made it consistent so I just need to stop trolling
I got rank 3 elite extermination from it, so it will be easier I guess
golden ravine
What is it that reduces demolish CD?
patent scroll
Yeah, just had a run to alleria with 100 sanity left 
mighty valley
patent scroll
Also got a total of two sanity pots the whole run
mighty valley
What is it that reduces demolish CD?
bottom of colossus tree
zenith cosmos
how big of an impact would replacing my crafted 681 with 684 from raid be in terms of defense?
lusty grotto
how big, hard to say, but its always worth if youre talking about a shield
5 mask done
lusty grotto
gz!
swift zenith
Is there a way I can make this macro mouseover work for unit frames?
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
patent scroll
You do know that doing it like that is going to get it stuck on Intervene always yes?
Because the ;Intervene will always happen
Just drop that and it works
Also no point to check for both help/harm and exist, help/harm already checks for that
round pendant
Is there a way I can make this macro mouseover work for unit frames?
#showtoolti...
It should just work
swift zenith
You do know that doing it like that is going to get it stuck on Intervene always...
still doesn't work with my unit frame though, only works if I mouseover the character
lusty grotto
it should work on the unit frame, maybe you have something on top
round pendant
Are you using bartender?
swift zenith
elvui
round pendant
I'm stumped then sorry
lusty grotto
elvui shouldnt be an issue
patent scroll
That macro works fine since you can't intervene an enemy
🤔 Then why is it that complicated if Intervene has that functionality built in. I would've assumed it'd just end with you in the "select a target" thing where it's active that happens with most healing spells if
round pendant
wait I'm dumb
slender bison
Quick Footwork is the best talent to switch from Rally
lusty grotto
#showtooltip
/cast [@target,exists,harm] Charge; [@mouseover,exists,help] Intervene; Charge;
i dont use macros for this shit but that should work
slender bison
So do we receive 25% clap damage by accident next week or only Fury?
round pendant
```
#showtooltip
/cast [@target,exists,harm] Charge; [@mouseover,exists,help] In...
I think that works
lusty grotto
yeah i dont know if its possible to have 2 conditional targetting things on the same macro
its either all mouseover or none
i would probably say that's the issue
lusty grotto
it will be when youre targetting something and it just charges
instead of intervening to your mouseover
so maybe switch the intervene part to the front of the cast queue so that it takes precedence
and hope to christ youre not mouseover'ing over someone when you want to charge
this is why macroing stuff is illegal
most of the time on prot anyway
#showtooltip
[@mouseover,nodead,help] Intervene; Charge;
is probably a shorter and more accurate version with priority on the mouseover
you cant charge dead mobs anyway
and you need to have a target so exists is redundant
lusty grotto
metal af
solid sun
We should def have a talent like overrun or something
Movement speed and atk power for running over dead mobs
Stupid worm idiot in dfc gets buffed by being surrounded by dead mobs. Surely we can gain from running ‘em over
patent scroll
```
#showtooltip
[@mouseover,nodead,help] Intervene; Charge;
```
is probably a s...
Yeah, and I would only change the exists to nodead because you can (at least normally) target dead friendlies with abilities, they just wont happen but you will get the targeting thing
swift zenith
Ok it doesn't like Shift + Mousebutton 5 for whatever weird reason
that was the issue
patent scroll
You probably have it bound to something else in keybinds
mild river
How big is the jump fron 16s to 17s?
patent scroll
About 10%
Or wait, is it the old as fuck mouseover extra mousebutton bug 🤔
Is that still in the game
lusty grotto
likely
coarse latch
You can also install a raid frame addon like cell that uses click casting, I just have left click for intervene. Although that might be overkill lol
lusty grotto
thats not what they asked at all
late nest
hey guys any tips to improve with my m+ group
coarse latch
Ohh mbmb
lusty grotto
🤷♂️
and then people complain about tank shortage
no wonder
also not original at all
coarse latch
and then people complain about tank shortage
now I can be a tank waiting for a healer instead of a healer waiting for a tank 
lusty grotto
there's no healer shortage
obviously they are considerably less than dps, but its not in the same league as tanks atm
coarse latch
obviously they are considerably less than dps, but its not in the same league as...
Yeah I would agree with that. Being a tank is scary at first imo
chilly dust
Gear direction question folks;
Currently using Circlet as other ring alongside a heroic ring with crit mastery
Is it better to take Jastor's in heroic or get mythic trinket instead first, as prot?
Currently have Tome and Viscera of Coalesced Hatred on him
Follow-up question... when do I swap stats for Haste Verse over Crit Haste?
lusty grotto
never
thats the answer to your follow up: never
heroic jastor is not in the wowhead guide, please take a look there
mythic trinkets over everything
the only way you even consider heroic jastor is ... probably never according to Nome, just grab a transmog
solid sun
Didn’t nome mention something here about how if you really wanted Jastor you could just craft a haste/mastery ring instead and save the dinnar lol
lusty grotto
yes
chilly dust
whats up with all the top wars running haste verse stats on crafted pieces if its not a good call?
is that a 684 high key thing I'm not wrapping my head around?>
lusty grotto
its only good if it sims good, aka when youre at crit DR
lusty grotto
also youre likely not doing the same content as them
the amount of DR youre getting at that point is so minimal
1 key level up, will basically nullify it
chilly dust
it was, % wise, i was really scratching my head but trusting the process like a pleb
alright I'll refocus on crit/haste where possible
got those 12s in to get the myth pace after next weeks vault
warm plinth
I'm glad the haste/crit haste/vers thing is back. I wasn't at all hoping it would die a silent death forever.
lusty grotto
its not back
thats like the only question ive seen about it in like months
if not longer
pallid quiver
There's been more than a few as of late
It always pops up anytime people find people in higher io with any amount of vers
lusty grotto
so archon is to blame
gleaming knoll
yall argue haste/crit haste/vers
i present
haste/haste
i swear to god im just using highest ilvl save me from this hell
i made it worse with a haste flask
sinful copper
hey guys any tips to improve with my m+ group
Lol! What key did u guys time?
sinful copper
I've been wondering this too. Biggest difference for me is pooling rage and a fu...
The end is the worst for me. Feels like every global drops me to 5% lol
sinful copper
Ok I'm finally entering 16 and 17 territory. Can someone go through a defensive ...
Anyone have some tips?
round cliff
Anyone have some tips?
hope ur healer is good tbh
i save avatar to use as a defensive on that fight, no idea if thats correct or not
lusty grotto
should be fine yea
round cliff
should be fine yea
avatar/shield block for every pierce armor, spell reflect for every divine judgement?
lusty grotto
and trinket
lusty grotto
well for dailcry, mud is better so yea
round cliff
no mud either
pallid quiver
Anyone have some tips?
In addition to the above, remember to not overspend on IP; you'll end up dying overtime as a result. You absolutely need to maximize your survival over time, as pierce armor is pretty much always on you, chipping you away. Keeping damage up will also at least funnel a slight amount of leech back, as well, but it really is a test of you timing your defensives well and playing the spec well to keep cycling your defensives back off CD.
Don't overlap too many options, either, as you'll get more mitigation over time by not overlapping
warm plinth
In addition to the above, remember to not overspend on IP; you'll end up dying o...
I'm sorry but did you just fucking ping someone in a reply?
I swear, the nerve of this guy
next pasture
first pull of cinderbrew is causing some serious intrusive thoughts, i cycle SW perfectly, shockwave and try to kite, do all this BS to try and ensure i don't have a gorillion stacks of mean mug, all fails, get 8 stacks, die in a corner
i have like 40% parry and still can't drop stacks, why me
frosty mango
4m in a dungeon? That's kinda nutty
I hit 4.1m in priory and tbh it’s really just down to if your group is good
lusty grotto
In addition to the above, remember to not overspend on IP; you'll end up dying o...
ping me ping me
frosty mango
Like I can do a priory and be at 3.2m overall and do one at be at 4m overall
It’s just up to how effective your dps are
solid sun
@pallid quiver could I have a ping?
lusty grotto
patent scroll
Man, went Arms for a few keys
The game is so fucking easy
Don't have to think about pulls or CDs or keeping these idiots alive
I'm just a passenger pressing my buttons 
round cliff
who here is knowledgable on wallets
round pendant
The game is so fucking easy
yeah it gets boring though
toxic gyro
If i missed 1st week dinar quest, there's no catch up for 2nd quest/dinar?
warm plinth
If i missed 1st week dinar quest, there's no catch up for 2nd quest/dinar?
Should be. You just have to complete the first week quest first
That's how I understood wowhead's post a few days ago anyway
round pendant
they really should have increased crest and valorstone drops with turbo boost
warm plinth
yam, come on. It's a turbo boost. What did you think it was? A turbo boost?
coarse latch
The game is so fucking easy
I think that's probably why a majority of people play DPS
toxic gyro
Should be. You just have to complete the first week quest first
I got one quest from poster and finished it and dont see 2nd one
warm plinth
That's...no bueno
toxic gyro
That's...no bueno
was 2nd week quest also in dornogal on the poster/next to the vendor?
warm plinth
No idea, I haven't done the first one either
I was going off a wowhead article about it
lusty grotto
yeahh so i have an alt that handed the week 1 quest this week and he cant get the this week's so im pretty sure hes fucked
solid sun
Speaking of alts, I think it might be time for some 10's
coarse latch
I think that you're just going to be one week behind so you will still get the three dinars, just late
At least that's what I'm hoping because one of my characters is in this situation as well
lusty grotto
its my vdh, so f him lol
coarse latch
warm plinth
Best part about the first one is "big" 
round cliff
ye
the black empire caches from bfa dont exist anymore right
i can clear em from handynotes
round cliff
i want cosmetic shit!
lusty grotto
i removed them as well i dont really bother with them
masked runs give you so many mementos they arent worth it
coarse latch
Best part about the first one is "big" <:keks:936231610850897992>
and then the instant collapse, just dead
warm plinth
Dude knew he was going big and still put nothing between himself and the spirit realm.
pallid quiver
He even opened the door for it
coarse latch
@lean ridge did anything happen after the vdh gif? did they leave in shame??
round cliff
fuck da rules
tender pond
fuck da rules
lean ridge
<@188091611798831105> did anything happen after the vdh gif? did they leave in s...
wtf
what the fuck is this place?
warriors?
why would warriors need a discord
coarse latch
how dare u
ripe wolf
What's the best item/trinket I can get? I don't have 12s done
lusty grotto
wowhead.com -> protection warrior guide -> bis section -> trinkets (and/or dinar) sections
mighty valley
What's the best item/trinket I can get? I don't have 12s done
what are your goals this season
ripe wolf
what are your goals this season
Tank a 7-8
mighty valley
I believe you can do larger than that
But yeah check the wowhead guide
I think heroic house of cards is pretty universally decent, you can farm the hero level dungeon trinkets
round pendant
I would say don't spend the dinars at all because once you do a 7-8 you'll realise how not bad it was and will want to push 12s
sharp gale
nim i'm healing on the pal yippi
sinful copper
was 2nd week quest also in dornogal on the poster/next to the vendor?
If u didn't complete the first quest in the first week, you'll be 1 week behind now
coarse latch
im wondering - when raiderio says "tank buster" is coming does it do that for both physical and magical attacks? I did a ToP yesterday and multiple times it said "buster incoming" for mordretha but looking at the pinned blockable spells none of them would be blockable with sb right because theyre all magic types?
So it is up to us to know if the buster is magical or physical - i.e. i should have used spell reflect or spell block?
sinful copper
im wondering - when raiderio says "tank buster" is coming does it do that for bo...
Only thing dangerous on that boss is reaping scythe
ripe wolf
What's better chrumbustible trinket or mud? Wow head recommends bustible, but some top tanks use mud
sinful copper
I think mud is better. What level keys are u doing? You prob don't need a defensive trinket
sinful copper
im wondering - when raiderio says "tank buster" is coming does it do that for bo...
Oh, also, u need to have shield block up if u want to use spell block
lusty grotto
mud isnt better
coarse latch
Only thing dangerous on that boss is reaping scythe
ok thanks, i def figured that out yesterday lol she whalloped me
lusty grotto
bomb suit is the best one
coarse latch
Oh, also, u need to have shield block up if u want to use spell block
ohh i didnt know that, thanks - good to know! I am trying to always keep it up anyways as well
lusty grotto
mud is only good in floodgate and specifically on dailcry for priory, thats it, very little use out of all the whole dungeon pool
ripe wolf
I think mud is better. What level keys are u doing? You prob don't need a defens...
Low keys for now
coarse latch
Oh, also, u need to have shield block up if u want to use spell block
what about spell reflect? do you need shield block for that too?
sinful copper
mud is only good in floodgate and specifically on dailcry for priory, thats it, ...
That's why mud is better. U don't use a defensive trinket on any other dungeons
sinful copper
what about spell reflect? do you need shield block for that too?
Nah just spell block
lusty grotto
That's why mud is better. U don't use a defensive trinket on any other dungeons ...
only if youre geared, most people asking are not
so not really a good recommendation
a 2 min trinket with a full absorb without any cdr because there's no dots, will not beat a 1.5 min cd trinket with a partial absorb, ever
mighty valley
what about spell reflect? do you need shield block for that too?
spell block just enables your block chance/value to apply to spells as well. since shield block increases your block chance to 100%, that is clearly good to have up when you press spell block
lusty grotto
right, you dont need to press SR to have spell block function, only SB like sorbitol said
SR is good to press for the MDR though, its kinda free with a low cd
mighty valley
it's sorta moot since in m+, there's basically no times when you shouldn't be trying to have sb running
but yknow. good to know how things work
coarse latch
spell block just enables your block chance/value to apply to spells as well. sin...
i see, thank you for explaining that
mighty valley
np - when dbm or whatever yells "defensive" or "tankbuster" it's not really considering the specifics of your spec, just whatever does big damage
lusty grotto
it's sorta moot since in m+, there's basically no times when you shouldn't be tr...
agreed
mighty valley
so it's not super consistent what button is effective
other than shield wall being a likely good call
coarse latch
np - when dbm or whatever yells "defensive" or "tankbuster" it's not really cons...
yeah that makes sense, that would probably make the complexity they have to deal with developing that a nightmare..
round pendant
Shield wall alone will carry you until like 13s
coarse latch
im def overthinking it lol, only doing +2s but looking at the spreadsheet like ok what should i shield block what should i reflect etc
round pendant
Yeah I wouldn't bother doing that
Just play until you meet something that HURTS/kills you then look it up
mighty valley
it's like extra credit at that point to understand the damage types
can't hurt but probably more than you need to think about
if dbm yells "defensive" and you press shield wall you're doing excellent
also keep shield block up always lol
round pendant
Protip tho
coarse latch
Just play until you meet something that HURTS/kills you then look it up
this is the way 😄
round pendant
The mechs in motherlode, set them to say "reflect" when they cast charged shield
mighty valley
the blessed reflect that your dps can't kick
round pendant
Every time I play priory I say to my friends "don't kick cinderblast"
Guess what they do
sinful copper
this?
Yes that
U can spell block the final sting from bees in cinderbrew too
Hey does anyone use the boss ability timeline WA in m+? Sometimes it goes away for boss fights. Any ideas?
coarse latch
The mechs in motherlode, set them to say "reflect" when they cast charged shield
so should i reflect or sblock this?
mighty valley
reflect if you can
coarse latch
Hey does anyone use the boss ability timeline WA in m+? Sometimes it goes away f...
i do but havent had that issue - although i am using megasetts package
sinful copper
Damn I'm pretty sure I got it from megasett too lol
sinful copper
so should i reflect or sblock this?
Reflect the initial hit then u can shield wall if the following zaps hurt u a lot
round pendant
so should i reflect or sblock this?
You can reflect every single one
round pendant
Every cast
sinful copper
Every initial cast they mean
round pendant
Not the followup dot
round pendant
Honestly too I never felt that followup group wide stuff do anything to me
Highest I've done motherlode so far is 13 tho
lusty grotto
its just the first hit that chunks the group and then the follow ups can be dangerous
reflecting the first one means they dont dip initially
round pendant
Yeah I fucked up my reflect once and almost died
coarse latch
U can spell block the final sting from bees in cinderbrew too
ohh thats good to know, those hurt
ripe wolf
Can anyone explain the ignore pain +shield slam macro mentioned in wow head and it is the play?
lusty grotto
dont use that if youre new
but wowhead explains it already
you use that to IP only
you need a separate key for SS
which you should be using to SS
its not meant to consolidate 2 buttons
and shouldnt be used as such
ever
coarse latch
thank you for your help everyone 😄
lusty grotto
i did tries
it goes up pretty fast tbh
also remember i had mage quarter bugged for like 8 hours
so i kept trying to see if it would get unfucked
round cliff
i got all 5 masks and all the mounts u get from doing specific things
now i just need trash/mail/5mask run
so in mage quarter
ur going left at the start, killing first portal master/elite, then going thru the house that would be behind u at that point to get to the 2nd portal master
then holding w thru the rest of em
lusty grotto
i went right, killing tentacles casters and just pulled everything to mage boss, if bolstered you can reflect boss for giga damage not that you need it
lusty grotto
you can but i didnt bother
round cliff
ill try going right again
lusty grotto
killing mage boss just stops the spawns of the little dudes so thats what i targetted first
round cliff
oic
do u go left or right here tho..
prob dont matter
and is there any reason to clear the pub in old town
round cliff
boss dont spawn until u clear bombs from middle
round cliff
o
ive been pulling him w/ the entire left side yea
after 1st pack
im tryin to route the bombs
orchid frigate
why are some protwars still talking about going battle stance for more deeps, wasnt the dmg penalty from def stance removed?
orchid frigate
the crit is worth it?
orchid frigate
true true
mighty valley
you can ignore battle stance most of the time
but when you’re parsing in farm content that doesn’t stress your brain
it’s 3% free crit
orchid frigate
check
echo egret
5 masks I'm struggling with sanity atm - it feels heavily reliant on sanity potions luck
lusty grotto
thats the entire challenge
its literally why its challenging
there's nothing else
echo egret
I know that, what I mean is that compared to the two vids of 5 masks run, I'm miles away.
Using 1 orb before 1st boss of dwarf quarter, instead of before Shaw.
echo egret
Jakey and someoine else
lusty grotto
earlier than them 😎
echo egret
at what gear level ?
lusty grotto
my route was completely different from jakey
im 680
gear doesnt matter for sanity
echo egret
I'm 672
lusty grotto
shouldnt matter
echo egret
Gear matters for how fast you kill stuff ?
echo egret
I don't think I can pull more 🙂
Whole 1st area
Whole dwarf area
lusty grotto
scan for pots, if youre full, you clear trash, if youre not, do a mini boss and/or grab potions youve scanned
scanning as in locating them
lusty grotto
i did dwarf first at the earliest tries, but i swapped cause dwarven district only has 1 mini boss and 1 boss
echo egret
last two tries, zero pot before shaw
lusty grotto
meanwhile mage quarter is tougher, but has 2 mini bosses and 1 boss, which means more sanity
round cliff
if ur doing them eventually anyways does it matter how much sanity u have
lusty grotto
so i did trade district first then mage quarter, port, then dwarven into old towwn
of course it does
youre in a race against time
and it matters because you can get royally fucked by potion rng
so its worth ensuring you get a steady stream of sanity off mini bosses and bosses
old town is best last cause it literally has a mini boss at the entrance
so you can recover
and a grand total of 2 mini bosses and 1 boss
echo egret
and it matters because you can get royally fucked by potion rng
at least that's what my experience confirms 🙂
lusty grotto
also for the love of christ
use SR
and just walk through split personality
jakey had huge balls not cheesing with SR
echo egret
What does it do (compared to avoid them)
lusty grotto
the entire circle actually
echo egret
Also, miniboss before Shaw, can you avoid the sanity loss of the big circle around you ?
echo egret
ok, thanks for the tips
lusty grotto
also fruiter
the fact that old town has a miniboss literally before the boss
means you can use all 3 orbs throughout
after shaw youre going straight for alleria
meanwhile mage quarter...
you sometimes have to pull the roaming mini boss earlier
and not immediately before whatshisname in the tower
and the other guy is just too far off
with old town last you can easily get to alleria with a full sanity bar
only to get fucked by baits, cause alleria sucks as melee
slender marsh
Is there a trick to dodging the wave that the final boss of Rookery shoots at the tank? I can leap some of em but I don't think it comes off cd for every single one. Do you guys just face tank it?
slender marsh
ahh
lusty grotto
you can tank from the train tracks
slender marsh
Yeah i'm def standing too close
lusty grotto
if there's puddles, just go to the front and spell block it
slender marsh
Do you stand on one of the sides to tank him? Or in the middle?
slender marsh
thx
sinful copper
Yeah i'm def standing too close
Don't go past the middle of the tracks. That's outside melee and someone will get hit instead
unborn island
if there's puddles, just go to the front and spell block it
I save my leaps for those, as there's usually a gap, but your option is safer 🙂
I also tend to run my cd's a lot of the time even if I will dodge it, the downside of potentially dying is too high and we have plenty of defs 🙂
frigid valley
do i trust sim when it takes 658jastor over a 671 hastecrit?
clever hazel
is there any stock in warcraft logs m+ scores?
gleaming knoll
How do yall pull the first big pull of Floodgate, it seems to always slap me around wayyy too hard until i got everything stacked and ready to go, after that its smooth sailing
solid sun
I reckon you’re likely getting hit in the back while gathering
gleaming knoll
im getting hit from all sides while gathering lets be real
i kinda got used to every dungeon and the pulls but that particular one just makes me suffer 💀
slender bison
im getting hit from all sides while gathering lets be real
i kinda got used to ...
Start with a shield charge at the pack outside of the ring. Leap and ShielWall and clap and Troar the packs on the left. Charge/Heroic throw the one from the dinamite box, Ravager and charge the loader boats. Revenge when available
Shield block on CD of course
Don't waste shockwave, let them stack
gleaming knoll
Start with a shield charge at the pack outside of the ring. Leap and ShielWall a...
Ah prolly gonna have to grab Ravager for that key then
slender bison
Ravager is kinda good all the time for rage gen + spot aggro
gleaming knoll
I play MT so im basically swimming in rage anyways
slender bison
Then MT is even easier
Avatar + spam TClap. But you're getting hit from behind, clap and charge/move/heroic throw to pick em
gleaming knoll
Avatar + spam TClap. But you're getting hit from behind, clap and charge/move/he...
gotcha sounds like a plan tyvm
<3
slender bison
It's critical to have SC + another shield block during gathering else you get deleted
slender bison
gotcha sounds like a plan tyvm
Notice that I said in a clockwise manner because that's how my brain works, but you can do the loaderbots and charge to dinamite box. Just keep moving/charging. We're not Blood DKs in wheelchairs 🙂
gleaming knoll
Notice that I said in a clockwise manner because that's how my brain works, but ...
yeee, ill do a 12 floodgate later today, i hope its gonna work out well enough
wary hinge
Apologies gents and girls, What corruption should we be running ?
craggy mural
Any tips on Rixxa in Motherlode? She is starting to hurt on her so called "melee" attacks on a +16
wary hinge
I was checking pins all over. Thanks @frosty mango
frosty mango
Any tips on Rixxa in Motherlode? She is starting to hurt on her so called "melee...
It’s all fire damage so you need to rotate, and understand when she casts it
She starts on pull, then in between each of her abilities
craggy mural
Yea i know
frosty mango
Rotate avatar for wall, both shield walls, spellblock
craggy mural
Wasnt sure if there was some other tech tho
frosty mango
Spell reflect should go up for each
Outside of that no tech the healer just needs to use their buttons
You can play bomb suit for that and use it to cover one of the damage areas
unborn island
I Spellblock, to start, then use reflect + demo shout for the ones in between the propellant casts, then use both walls for the intermission, by the next intermission Spellblock is back up.
It can be rough if the healer isn't used to a tank they need to heal.
frosty mango
You have to heal every tank there so they should be used to it
unborn island
I got flamed for taking damage there on a 16 the other day 🙂
frosty mango
That’s a them problem
solid sun
Is there any reason I shouldn't max upgrade the hero pieces I still have? I have quite a bit of time to play and could probably just grind out the vstone and crests to do them all
clever hazel
counter question, why wouldnt you?
solid sun
I'm not here to answer questions
I'm here to ask them and wait for Roidberg to impart his wisdom
round pendant
Is there any reason I shouldn't max upgrade the hero pieces I still have? I have...
no reason not to
you technically lose crests on the 658->662 step when you replace them with a myth piece
jagged pier
you technically lose crests on the 658->662 step when you replace them with a my...
that only matter when u have limited crests, we dont anymore
solid sun
Yeh, I figured since you can just grind crests forever, but I wasn't sure if there was some kinda discount I might wanna wait for or some interaction I wasn't aware of that I should do before just sending the upgrades
charred shard
Quick and dirty question that can be answered by a quick and dirty answer as well: Do you use Shield Wall before Demolish to ensure u're doing it under Avatar form?
(obv. if no defensives are need in the near-short-term)
pale karma
Quick and dirty question that can be answered by a quick and dirty answer as wel...
Prot warrior is my alt and I do, if I can.
warm plinth
Quick and dirty question that can be answered by a quick and dirty answer as wel...
If you know you won't need it in the near future, I don't see why you couldn't. I don't do that because my brain is not that big. 🙂
frosty mango
I'm here to ask them and wait for Roidberg to impart his wisdom
My name isn’t yellow so my warrior knowledge isn’t vetted I just have fast thumbs
solid sun
My name isn’t yellow so my warrior knowledge isn’t vetted I just have fast thumb...
That's okay, the yellow names are scary.
frosty mango
Quick and dirty question that can be answered by a quick and dirty answer as wel...
Yes you can use wall to send avatar for demolish
If you know you won’t need wall
I frequently use wall to send avatar for outburst shield slams lol
jagged pier
You're a crest
jagged pier
soom i guess
junior shard
how the hell do people survive in priory? I just get absolutely smacked compared to every other dungeon
frosty mango
how the hell do people survive in priory? I just get absolutely smacked compared...
Is there’s a specific place you feel is an issue or just in general
junior shard
Is there’s a specific place you feel is an issue or just in general
first part with the gathering and the potshots i think is the worst for me
sure the magic damage later is harsh but thats either a kick or healer issue often
frosty mango
Are you tanking the first pull in the corner?
Typically you would grab the opening pack, run up and grab the right side knight pack, the sharpshooter pack, and the miniboss, then get into the corner
Gather here can be dangerous because you’re getting hit in the back so you need to wall as you gather until you get better at maneuvering to not have that happen
Once you get in the corner with the miniboss it should be a nonissue
Remember almost all of your defensive value comes from block, and then parry - so generally speaking if you are getting chunked while shield block is up it’s almost always an issue of getting hit in the back
junior shard
people start withering away from the shots i think
so either i dont get aggro or they just die lol
i usually live through it but it just falls apart when i either drop aggro on a ranger or some dps dies and things stall too much
undone beacon
Question for the turbo nerds, is there a way in logs to tell how many times one ability procced another?
Like uhhh how many SS resets were from IP vs Revenge vs whatever
warm plinth
I failed my first attempt a full clear because I spent a good 2-3 mins in Old Town trying to remember where the other keyholder was...it was the one immediately to the right at the start
frosty mango
i usually live through it but it just falls apart when i either drop aggro on a ...
They should be in the melee
So sharpshooters jump in
If they aren’t doing this then there’s no much you can do
junior shard
If they aren’t doing this then there’s no much you can do
i do however struggle with the early aggro, is that maybe due to dps starting too early before i've been able to gather them properly or?
sharp gale
And the healer should follow you / stay on the right of you on the plaza until on the spot
right so if he takes aggro you are between
warm plinth
@lusty grotto big ups
fading tide
Which rune we take from visions?
warm plinth
why do your fonts look so nice
2k
warm plinth
Which rune we take from visions?
Void Ritual if you want the best one. Twilight Dev if your mama didn't raise no bitch and you want a pew pew laser
@round pendant It's this font
fading tide
Anyone been able to solo all 5 visions? I get to 4 b4 I run out of sanity
warm plinth
No masks or?
fading tide
Don’t u need to do all 5 to get a mask?
warm plinth
Yes
slender marsh
I think you have to do all 5 to unlock the first mask so probably not
warm plinth
yeah I just wasn't sure if he was talking about 4 masks or just 4 areas
jagged pier
ye linked my vid yesterday np stupid consumes or strats
warm plinth
I just did a full clear on my warrior with no tier and 626 ilevel (haven't really played this season). With the talents unlocked and I have elite extermination 1
fading tide
U solo it of u go in group?
warm plinth
But that's 0 masks. People have done 5 masks already I'm pretty sure which is probably what Jakey is referencing
Solo for me
round pendant
<@71384769899794432> It's this font
that makes more sense
sharp gale
I just did a full clear on my warrior with no tier and 626 ilevel (haven't reall...
My pala dinged 80, I did a full clean and 1 mask with AH gear
steady pollen
I did it boys, I'm 42, but perpetually 12
warm plinth
yeah, no masks is pretty chill. I had 400 sanity and still an orb left when I got to Alleria. In true warrior fashion, I used the orb anyway so I could zugzug
crimson bolt
need a little bit help here. Im 675 ilvl, and yet Im strugling to tank 13s...which is clearly a "me" issue..I just dont now where
rage regen is non-existant
ionic fern
Logs?
crimson bolt
Im running 13.7 crit / 24.1k haste / 4.1k mastery / 8.2k versa
crimson bolt
I can try to run a dungeon and post it here
frosty mango
rage regen is non-existant
Without looking at logs I can say with a pretty high level of certainty that if you are feeling rage starved it’s either you’re not pressing shield slam on cooldown or you’re getting out of melee range
crimson bolt
Im running a workshop 13 right now.. Will post log as soon as it finishes
frosty mango
That being said there’s probably a lot of things we can help with if there’s a log to look at
crimson bolt
aye aye...im on it
coarse latch
I just did a full clear on my warrior with no tier and 626 ilevel (haven't reall...
Holy hell you boss, I can just do two areas barely
warm plinth
with no masks?
warm plinth
Do you have the talents unlocked?
gleaming knoll
Just learn boss patterns and the proper route and youll be shmooving
Shaw will take you from 1k to 0 real quick if you dont know that looking at eyes = veeeeeeery bad
coarse latch
Yeah I have the three talents unlocked that you can this week
I think I should look at a guide
gleaming knoll
Do each area once and then straight to alleria, you get a sanity drain reduce in areas you completed
frosty mango
I just went solo with no little helper bro and you basically destroy everything
warm plinth
Focus on doing 1 area
so go in, do 1 area, then repeat for each area
then do 1 where you just kill boss
gleaming knoll
^
warm plinth
That'll give you the max sanity reduction possible right now
which will make it a lot easier
gleaming knoll
Also as soon as you complete one area BOOK it out of there, especially in old town/mage quarter
warm plinth
There are portals out of each area once you've completed the objective
gleaming knoll
ye but timewise going dwarven -> oldtown / trade -> Mage is better
but oldtown and mage you 100% use the portal after youre done
coarse latch
Okay thank you for the help. I will do that
warm plinth
eh, I do trade>mage first but same difference
gleaming knoll
also, you can mount in visions if you didnt know
some people dont so its worth a mention
coarse latch
some people dont so its worth a mention
I did actually discover that. I don't actually know what the official strats are. But when I go in I just Mount and pull everything into the dwarven district and start doing the bombs
gleaming knoll
you know about good/bad potion?
dreamy pulsar
Any tips for dinnar coins.
I dont do Raid.
Already 13 resilient key
coarse latch
you know about good/bad potion?
I don't
gleaming knoll
I don't
straight ahead in sw there is a corpse in the corner with a potion next to him, never drink that one, all others are safe, each bad color has a good one associated with it, there is a table of them on wowhead probably
patent scroll
Just get a wa for that
next wigeon
Can also use this weakaura: https://wago.io/EmGFAmyfS
gleaming knoll
Just get a wa for that
or that yes
patent scroll
So incredibly much simpler
coarse latch
straight ahead in sw there is a corpse in the corner with a potion next to him, ...
Oh I didn't even know of that mechanic. Thank you!
round pendant
<@71384769899794432> It's this font
is that elvui btw
warm plinth
The font setting is, yes
round pendant
yeah just wondering
ig I gotta find an addon to change stuff globally
or ig I can just do the ol FRIZQT__.ttf thing
tropic sundial
I got 3k with mountain thane because I’m comfortable with it, but started trying out colossus. It’s certainly quite different to play and uncomfortable at first. I don’t mind learning but I’m curious…how much damage increase should I expect between the two if I do it well?
frosty mango
I got 3k with mountain thane because I’m comfortable with it, but started trying...
It will be a decent amount
I’m not sure the current disparity because no one really plays it
What are you overalls in most keys? You’ll see 2.5-3m ish avg overall as col
undone beacon
Any tips for dinnar coins.
I dont do Raid.
Already 13 resilient key
Myth pace, heroic Bombsuit, both good options
tropic sundial
What are you overalls in most keys? You’ll see 2.5-3m ish avg overall as col
2.5-3 would be a VAST improvement. My poor teammates SMH! Okay I’ll work on getting comfortable with colossus !!! Thank you!!
swift zenith
where does shield charge fit into this?
keen vine
shield charge instead of charge if its up, especially if you have no rage, or after demolish for extra damage on it
wispy moth
You can shield charge in melee, not charge. For me you shield charge instead of SB cuz it gives it to you
And keep SB CD to maintain it at 100% uptime
mighty valley
just shield charge when everything’s grouped and then on cd
sleek prawn
hi, do anyone have a macro for ravager into player model or under feet ?
wispy moth
hi, do anyone have a macro for ravager into player model or under feet ?
/cast [@player] Ravager
but i alreayd have pace heroic thats the thing
I dont know what to do.
wispy moth
```#showtooltip
/cast [@player] Ravager
```
Something like this
wispy moth
but i alreayd have pace heroic thats the thing
Then hero bombsuit ? :p
sleek prawn
Something like this
thx
dreamy pulsar
Then hero bombsuit ? :p
why not the ring heroic since i dont do raid?
mighty valley
myth pacemaker, tome, or mud all have reasonable uses
wispy moth
Yeah if you dont have other dung myth trinket, you should go for them
wispy moth
why not the ring heroic since i dont do raid?
I think trinkets are better choice because offering more dps or survivability options
dreamy pulsar
Gotcha so since i have the pacemaker heroic i could go for ther other one?
Never ehard of the bombsuit one xD
wispy moth
Gallywix rtinket
the other raid trinket from stix is pretty good too for survivability
solid sun
Myth pacemaker
Myth tome
“Best” two items you can get if you don’t myth raid. Heroic Bombsuit if you are going to continue to climb m+ and want a defensive trinket option
charred shard
How come Tome of Light's Devotion sim so bad on warrior protection. Was almost a 10% dmg increase for my brewmaster. ProtW has critical as main stats yet many trinkets are just considered better.
such as House of Cards who's "just" mastery
jagged pier
because u arent using the string for it
charred shard
wdym ?
ionic fern
APL
charred shard
(using bloodmallet tbh, i know it's not the best but doesn't know other ways)
ionic fern
charred shard
ok found the APL code in the pin
ty
Seems like I really should do Delves for the vault
nocturne spindle
Are you only simming hero level or something
charred shard
671 for Delves trinkets and House of Cards (since i'll never do Bandit in MM, not a raider). 684 for Tome, Geargrinder and Peacemaker
crimson bolt
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PDTNm1wgWQ4KyxHR?fight=last
sorry to be persistent, but can I get a few tips on where Im failing in my gameplay here??
have no rage all the time and I feel like Im made of paper
warm plinth
You're pressing like 0 buttons
crimson bolt
when I play with others PRwarriors, their HP almost doesnt move -_-
well, I have no rage!
warm plinth
Demo Shout, 0.8 casts per minute
Both of these should have a cpm over 1, as they either already have a cd less than 1 minute, or get there from CDR
charred shard
i dont think you used the apl right
Pasted it in the bottom section like advises in the PIN. Anything else I should do?
I am also a bit suprised considering it really underperforms
crimson bolt
Both of these should have a cpm over 1, as they either already have a cd less th...
Ok. Noted. I tend to use them defensively, not on cd
But I can change that
warm plinth
We use EVERYTHING on cooldown
crimson bolt
anything else pops to the eye?
warm plinth
Still looking; those were just the first thing I noticed
crimson bolt
kk
nocturne spindle
3.4m...
crimson bolt
dafuck...that cant be...Im sure Ive used it more than 3 times -_-
warm plinth
ok well we are gonna ignore that for now because I feel like I remember reading that it was
warm plinth
Your shield block uptime is pretty bad too. 64% uptime, 78% blocked hits is really low
nocturne spindle
I'm just confused why it's so low
warm plinth
And remember; shield slam is also damage because it increases shield slam damage by 30%
nocturne spindle
Sim 5 target at 1:30
warm plinth
shield block is also damage*
nocturne spindle
Not 5 min
crimson bolt
aye aye
charred shard
I'm just confused why it's so low
Recraft all my craft slots in Haste/Mastery to play Fury as well 😄
maybe that's it
warm plinth
But yeah, I think your biggest takeaway by 10 miles is just use all your cooldowns on CD. That includes demo shout, avatar, ravager, shield charge, thunderous roar
crimson bolt
Your shield block uptime is pretty bad too. 64% uptime, 78% blocked hits is rea...
Should I prioritize it over IP?
warm plinth
Yes, IP is fairly important BUT if you do the rotation properly, it will happen naturally and the only time you'll need to focus on it is if you really need extra protection on an upcoming tankbuster.
And just throwing this out there in case you don't know, but we do not care if IP is maxed out. You would still press it if you needed to dump rage.
round pendant
Boys what addon/wa/whatever is this?
warm plinth
Overcapping rage is the biggest sin you can commit on pwar, as our entire kit revolves around feeding the anger management loop
warm plinth
Shield Block is your always up mitigation. IP is more of a supplemental type thing (and obviously works on magic where SB does not outside of Spell Blockable stuff)
So yeah, I would work on doing the CDs on CD thing and see how you feel and then you can post another log and we can go from there.
charred shard
Sim 5 target at 1:30
here is the result
crimson bolt
I just feel like some mobs forget Im even Shield Blocking sometimes tbh
and hit me for like 5M
warm plinth
You do need to make sure you're facing them
mighty valley
You just gotta manage rage in a way that you can always press a button every gcd
Whenever you can’t, you should think “I fucked up, how could I have avoided this”
lucid rapids
Is prot war any good at visions?
frosty mango
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PDTNm1wgWQ4KyxHR?fight=last
ok so I played this as careless as possible to illustrate the importance of timing and cadence, but you can see our play was relatively similar over the key but I did signifgantly more damage
You also do not utilize spell reflect as much as you should, and your revenge usage is kinda low because it looks like you're pressing ignore pain a lot
I suspect your rage starvation is due to your use of IP and based on how MANY times you used it, I have a sneaking suspicion you have it macroed to something
crimson bolt
nop
not macro'ed to anything
if Im reading it right, I actually used 2 more Shield Bloc than you
but you had over 200 revenges over me!!!!
not shield blok shield slam
sorry
frosty mango
yes but my shield block uptime is significantly better
mighty valley
if Im reading it right, I actually used 2 more Shield Bloc than you
Your key was 7 minutes longer also
frosty mango
89% vs 63%, and I was purposely playing carelessly, it would normally be in the high/mid 90s
the key time disparity will account for a big bit of the damage disparity between the comparison but imo you are using ignore pain too much and revenge not enough
that would explain both your feeling that you are rage starved, and damage
proper outburst usage will do a lot of the legwork for you in getting IP up, otherwise you only need to press the button when youre over 70 rage OR if you are like actively getting shit on - but that wont happen in mech (big momma, dailcry)
gleaming knoll
that would explain both your feeling that you are rage starved, and damage
you called?
frosty mango
you called?
i cant fathom being rage starved as thane lol
gleaming knoll
i cant fathom being rage starved as thane lol
In my defense the char existed before Hero talents did
frosty mango
Your key was 7 minutes longer also
only 3m I think
they had a lot of deaths
but combat end is only 3m diff it looks like
mighty valley
ah — still puts your SS cpm higher is all I was pointing at
frosty mango
but you had over 200 revenges over me!!!!
I'd also not use mud on this key, I would use tome. The parry you get from crit will bring a lot more defensive value than mud because almost all the damage in mech is melee, theres very little danger for the tank with the exception of the hallway pull after the first boss, if you double pull the mechs - the double puncture can be kinda rough
valid sky
Hi ppl, need help with cap stats at warrior tank:
Im following stats from archon.gg for mythics +, when i had those stats now i have a lot of extra stats to put, but idk at which point it stop to work, for example critic, archong.gg say 14k and i have 18k with no buff, like 24 with flask trinket etc.
Can u guys tell me which stat is better to up when i hit the recomended stats?
Sorry my bad english, im doing my best :3
tyvm for read.
warm plinth
Is prot war any good at visions?
Very. Tanks have an advantage, and pwar is the highest damage tank
or close to it
frosty mango
Hi ppl, need help with cap stats at warrior tank:
Im following stats from archon...
dont follow these, sim your char
warm plinth
Do you think they accidentally made the bfa cloak still work in the new visions? XD
frosty mango
get enough haste to keep your shield block uptime high while you are talented into in the fray
then just sim
all secondary stats are good secondaries
crimson bolt
well...just did a 12ML...my dps improved to 2.1M
but I forgot to log -_-
gonna try a Priory 13...
crimson bolt
on the first boss what do you prio? IP or SB?
warm plinth
Prompts you whenever you enter a dungeon the first time if you want to log, then will always autolog that dungeon
frosty mango
on the first boss what do you prio? IP or SB?
on priory?
crimson bolt
on priory?
yes
warm plinth
You should have shield block up 100% of the time whether you are taking damage or not due to the damage increase on shield slam. But there aren't a lot of bosses that are purely doing magic damage to you anyway.
frosty mango
use mud for that, first one use avatar + mud, second one wall, third one wall, fourth one demo + last stand + mud, repeat from there - you should have enough CDR to cover most of them
you can ask for external for a certain one, fourth/fifth pierces are usually the danger zone
remember the damage from pierce is a bleed not a hit, so dont press wall 5 seconds early, wait its about to tick then press it so you cover as much of the bleed as possible
you want to cover the initial hit and as many ticks as possible
mighty valley
on the first boss what do you prio? IP or SB?
just have sb up at all times in combat forever
frosty mango
on the first boss what do you prio? IP or SB?
you never prio ip
for dailcry specifically it can be useful on the initial hit of pierce and to cover one where youre missing mit but generally speaking IP is a smoothing tool, it doesn't keep you from dying (in that way) it smooths your damage intake
shield wall and shield block keep you from dying
lucid rapids
Very. Tanks have an advantage, and pwar is the highest damage tank
I'm def undergeared then because it feels awful. lol
warm plinth
What ilevel are you?
slender bison
Any non-nelf tank managed to death skip consistently the last 2 mobs before GigaZap in Floodgate?
warm plinth
So i didn't realize masks being turned on saved in between runs in this version and was showing my buddy how to do stuff
So we did like 3 or 4 runs of a zone or two with long night turned on
pallid quiver
oh wait, isn't Shield Charge broken rn
This is late, but it only counts shield charges done outside of melee range based on the poking around with it Sense did and from what I can also confirm
buoyant sparrow
Question: is there a place I can look to see the tank breakdown of who got CE?
frosty mango
You could pull this from the armory api
But I don’t think it’s easily gotten at on a website
buoyant sparrow
ah ok...thanks
patent scroll
You can very quickly get a rough idea by looking at this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/42?boss=3016&class=Tanks
You do need to combine those with 11.1 numbers though, and even then it might then have duplicates so
And unsure how private logs work, probably not included in the numbers
buoyant sparrow
Hey thanks @patent scroll
charred shard
Anybody knows why my dps is lacking? Wowanalyzer is telling me my rotation is good and I parse 95-97% of my simc results on dummies. I only have 5 ilvl less than my Brewmaster but he's ending keys at 2.5mio dps while I'm finishing them at ~1.85
patent scroll
Looking at your character pane isn't going to tell us much
Besides the fact that you haven't crafted weapon and shield for some reason
charred shard
I main Fury on that char, everything went to weapons + armor
(that's the reason I've put the pane, 'coz my hypothesis is that I've too much mastery due to the fury craft and not enough critical)