I'm still fucking up my violent outbursts in 2025
#protection
rocky relic
round pendant
the amount of times I just press my tclap cause it's the next thing to do (if I didn't have outburst) and then realise mid button press
coarse latch
it basically just affects dps right?
jagged gust
Yep, but not by as much as you'd think depending on mob count
round pendant
yeah it's more something you'll care to optimise once you're comfy with the spec
coarse latch
i do have to admit that it is pretty cool to do monster dps as a tank though
pallid quiver
It technically affects survival, as SS gives a lot more rage than Thunder Clap
pallid quiver
So it does both more damage and rage gen than thunder clap; it's exacerbated with outburst due to the scaling and limited nature of it
round pendant
ig it'd still do less dam but it'd be nice if you sent SS for prio/st and tclap for aoe
pallid quiver
what if outburst made tclap give the same amount of rage as SS
That's called playing Thane smh
even though thunder blast still gives less rage
round pendant
that's true
jagged gust
MT was nice in that you only really had to pay attention to vo in st
round pendant
actually I have a better idea
outburst makes revenge also SS every mob it hits
and it gives rage
jagged gust
outburst makes revenge also SS every mob it hits
S3 tier set inc
round pendant
infinite revenj
crazy how they had to make revenge just pump to make it feel good tho
I still think it kinda needs a redesign tho
coarse latch
This is definitely me playing the class wrong, but sometimes I get in a situation where I don't have clap or SS and I don't have enough rage for revenge, and I'm kind of just sitting there doing nothing
mighty valley
Yeah - probably pressing IP when you can't afford it
coarse latch
But I don't have enough knowledge on the class for anything they could change
mighty valley
When you don't have any CDs or Outburst on the horizon, you gotta adjust how much rage you bank to make sure you can keep pressing Revenge to maximize gcds and ss reset chances
coarse latch
Yeah - probably pressing IP when you can't afford it
Oh yeah that's probably it, I know the guide says to typically use it when you have like 60 to 80 rage or something, I'm probably using it when I have way less
patent scroll
For me the biggest issue is kinda exactly that, I see that I have like 80 rage, CDs just dropped, then I IP + Revenge aaaaand I'm dry
mighty valley
there are occasions in tough content where you need to know your IP status and make minor adjustments around it, but most new prot warriors are best served by ignoring the IP amount/duration entirely and just exclusively pressing it to avoid overcapping
lusty grotto
which is why i highlight not overvaluing IP as a whole
the scenarios youre describing should only happen more commonly in ST
where youre often not gonna press revenge
aoe, go ham, since we get a lot of parries and free revenges and also refunds due to frothing since youre revenging a lot more due to the first one
st? you need to TC more to reset SS
and less revenges
dusky canopy
IP often with the gallon of water I drink everyday
lusty grotto
outside of ravager of course
dusky canopy
sharp gale
FUCK YEAH
dusky canopy
coarse latch
I know this can't be real because there's no 22nd month
sharp gale
IM ONE OF THOSE WHO FINISH HIM
dusky canopy
He’s French
coarse latch
Hehe
dusky canopy
They probably have a 22nd month somehow
jagged gust
They probably have a 22nd month somehow
You mean a 10+10+2 month
dusky canopy
jagged pier
echo egret
Cheers
lusty grotto
i ultra pulled cathedral except for 2 packs
lusty grotto
dwarven i also ultra pulled
lusty grotto
old town i didnt do huge pulls cause the stun can fuck you on casters
trade i killed casters then chained
caster dead? go next pack, caster dead? go next pack, etc
lusty grotto
also bolster gives you fat ass reflects on trade mini boss and on mage quarter mini boss
and also
reflect split personality
and just walk through it
i got to alleria with a full sanity bar on mine last night
well 3 times really
i just got fucked on baits/bombs
lusty grotto
yeah i just did what i did in bfa and start her on the side and just LoS so she comes over
as long as you reflect the sheeps its comfier
main smelt
Idk nothing has HP kinda when u play prot war literally just 1 revenge dead
main smelt
Idk I barely took any damage, A lot of times I just didn't use anything when I dropped low
sitting on 2x Shield Walls and just do 0 when @ 20%
lusty grotto
as dps
lusty grotto
nothing hurts you as a tank there lmao
main smelt
it's fine ngl
Fury I was able to pull off some big pulls
just due to defensive + bladestorm
jagged gust
Er+bs really is a fantastic bit of utility
north abyss
Hey guys, I was just wondering what trinket offers the best overall performance in m+ in terms of tankiness between a Chrombustible Bomb suit and the Ringing Ritual Mud
north abyss
what does that even mean
lusty grotto
bomb suit is the strongest of the 2 since it has a 1.5 min cd
that its on the guide
thats what it means
lusty grotto
wowhead guide > bis gear > trinkets
north abyss
bomb suit is the strongest of the 2 since it has a 1.5 min cd
that's the thing, is a 671 bomb suit better than a 684 ritual ?
lusty grotto
yes
mud is only better on Floodgate and on very high priories vs dailcry
so overall bomb suit is better
1.5 min cd
north abyss
what makes mud better on those dungeons ?
chilly brook
Bombsuit>Mud most of the time but Mud>Bombsuit sometimes
lusty grotto
and its also a partial absorb which go dead last in mitigation
north abyss
the CD reduction gives it a better CD overall ?
lusty grotto
what makes mud better on those dungeons ?
cdr
floodgate is filled with dots
what keys are you doing
that number
key level
north abyss
+16 keys
chilly brook
Going to be honest
lusty grotto
bomb suit
chilly brook
if you're asking about it then you don't need it lol
north abyss
Tbh i already have the Pacemaker in mythic, i'm just wondering if it's worth using a dinar to get either Mud or Tome if i already have the bombsuit ilvl 671
like would that even be worth using a dinar for
chilly brook
notv when you can farm a mud
lusty grotto
you can grab a jastor i guess
north abyss
i already have mud, tome in heroic
chilly brook
and tome is good but I wouldn't run it in keys over pace
lusty grotto
just grab a hero jastor
if you dont think youll find uses for myth tome
i.e. vault 12s
north abyss
tome is probably better in Theater and Rookery since tank damage is pretty OK no ?
with pacemaker
north abyss
and what's the use for Jastor as a tank ? not many prot wars play with it, it seems
lusty grotto
im assuming you dont raid yea?
lusty grotto
hero jastor sims generally high with full 10 stacks than a crafted, but you need to maintain combat
just not worth if youre dropping combat all the time
lusty grotto
or on sub 5min encounters
lusty grotto
why would it not be
chilly brook
??
lusty grotto
except for ToP, where do you drop combat?
chilly brook
how are you getting it's not good in M+?
lusty grotto
it falls into the same place as Kezan
chilly brook
It's simply the best ring you have access to
north abyss
well mastery is our worst stat, is the passive that good ?
chilly brook
so getting a free 850 stat over what you'd normally get isn't good now?
lusty grotto
it means it has the least amount of impact of the four secondaries, its still fucking strong for us
north abyss
i'm just asking, it doesn't look that good at first glance
north abyss
like if you already have 5-6K mastery from the rest of your gear
getting +6K from jaster is not that good
im guessing ?
lusty grotto
sim it
chilly brook
that's a large amount of AP....
lusty grotto
and see for yourself
north abyss
alright
lusty grotto
getting 6k mastery from a ring is def good when your other stats are close to diminishing returns, you get more value out of it
north abyss
that's also true
lusty grotto
the sim will 100% recommend it
even then the stats are only 50% of what jastor offers
the other 50% is big
chilly brook
stats gud
we don't exactly care all that much about "perfect" stats
more stats more gudder
That goes for both damage and defense
north abyss
makes sense
thanks for the information guys
i'll stay with my chromebustible trinket since i'm doing +16 keys atm 🙂
will check sims for the jastor
strong forum
just grab a hero jastor
jastor gets outclassed by ilvl
lusty grotto
he has no other picks
chilly brook
jastor gets outclassed by ilvl
not for me 🙂
north abyss
i have bloodoath signet and wick's golden loop both 671 ilvl
can craft also since i got a spark ready
lusty grotto
you can just say hero track
strong forum
craft a ring then 
lusty grotto
i still dont know the ilvls in between
strong forum
so youre telling me
if you replace a defensive trinket with 0 offensive benefit
with a trinket with mainstat + stat buff
it sims higher
lusty grotto
crafted gang
lusty grotto
lol
frosty mango
I’m torn between crafting ring or belt this week
chilly brook
also haste mastery
chilly brook
even more of a loss
strong forum
then dont use the dinar
chilly brook
I mean too late
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I'll live with getting the mythic one that no one wants off Gally because they all bought one
frosty mango
The monkey paw curls
hardy snow
with dh and prot whats best way to split tank jobs on mugzee? right now Im doing bombs, he is doing molten knuckle, line frontal we were trying both, but we will just have dispel from evoker so he will be taking it, is it fine or its better to swap something?
frosty mango
It never drops again
chilly brook
It never drops again
I'll live with that
splitting hairs once everything else is already upgraded and fully stacked
frosty mango
True
chilly brook
in the meantime I'll just carry the DPS on our prog kills as arms
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I'm basically getting kinda cucked anyways on dinars for at least one spec
what's new
chilly brook
I just want them to make the kill credit account wide
chilly brook
it's insane to me that if I want mythic gally loot on another tank I have to somehow weasel my way into the kill on like my monk
coarse latch
is hoc that much better than bomb sute for first dinar purchase?
chilly brook
why use dinar on bombsuit when the heroic version does everything you need it to
coarse latch
i can only buy heroic dinars yeah
i mean heroic bomb suit vs heroic hoc
i wont be raiding at all on this toon
strong forum
house of cards is good for everything in every situation
bombsuit is a pure defensive trinket
cerulean tusk
What if, magic damage? 
strong forum
press a defensive
cerulean tusk
Bleeds?
strong forum
cuz those dont cost 6-10% dmg
coarse latch
house of cards is good for everything in every situation
ohh ok interesting good to know
coarse latch
what ability do we pair it with?
coarse latch
i will be only tanking up to probably like 10s
but thought maybe the extra defensive of teh bomb suit would be good
but if hoc is much better then ill get that
cerulean tusk
If ya die in a 10, no trinky in the game will make a difference to that scenario
nocturne spindle
your default state is tanky enough you just want to zug zug harder
coarse latch
If ya die in a 10, no trinky in the game will make a difference to that scenario
ok good to know xD
lusty grotto
what ability do we pair it with?
any and all offensive cds
since we're a 1.5 min class
all our offensive stuff is on that timer
and we average 45s on avatar with proper rage management
demo is 1.5, ravager is 1.5, troar is 45s
demolish is usually shorter than
45s + 45s = 1.5 mins
or 1:30 mins
and thats why we dont prefer 2 min trinkets like signet of the priory
and instead prefer 1.5 min trinkets
coarse latch
ohhh interesting, thats good to know thanks
someone before said demolish is not 45sec too, is there something im doing different with my talents? my demo is 45sec cd
sinful copper
Almost have all 15s done and I haven't rly felt like I NEEDED a defensive trinket on any besides flood and priory. Will mud be sufficient up to 17s on those 2 and no defensive trinkets on all others? I run with a rsham or mw
Demolish is also annoying because if I cast same time as a knock back it uses my CD and doesn't prevent knock lol
slender bison
What's the consensus for MT on Thunderlord Vs Show of Force? The latter seems to be stronger with a small reduction in surv + rage
lusty grotto
huh
you play TL as Thane
period
youre thunderclapping a lot more
you want the demo shout cdr
coarse latch
the very last talent
ahhhh i see i see, thank you
lusty grotto
Demolish is also annoying because if I cast same time as a knock back it uses my...
huh????
sinful copper
Never happened to u?
lusty grotto
yeah just sprocket
sinful copper
Not according to the game. Like chewie or first mini in priory I'll pop demo as it's casting and it knocks me back and uses my demo cd
lusty grotto
it doesnt to me
sinful copper
Do it at the last second
sinful copper
What?
sinful copper
It's like 43
lusty grotto
idk what to tell you then, your demolish is broken
sinful copper
Or maybe the knock is throwing me already and I press demolish
lusty grotto
yeah in that case, it wont work
dense glade
is jastor diamond good for us on hero track with the carte chips?
charred shard
Really want to change main spec from Arms to fury. Currently doing both Arms and Prot M+14 keys. How bad it will be tank after i recraft my 6 crafted slots from Crit/Haste to Mastery/Haste ?
lusty grotto
mostly not
lusty grotto
is jastor diamond good for us on hero track with the carte chips?
mostly not
dense glade
mostly not
damn... im so confused what to buy dude
sinful copper
Really want to change main spec from Arms to fury. Currently doing both Arms and...
Why would u pick fury? Just don't tank anymore then lol
dense glade
i only have hero options
lusty grotto
did you look at the wowhead list
lusty grotto
Really want to change main spec from Arms to fury. Currently doing both Arms and...
not really a huge impact
raw edge
i got the jasper only because it was replacing a 609 ring
charred shard
Why would u pick fury? Just don't tank anymore then lol
I'm much better at cocaine gaming than tracking bleeds
dense glade
yeh i did, it says alot of myth stuff, then house of cards but i have hero eye of kezan and floodgate trink
dense glade
im close dude, 3 more
sinful copper
So just wait
dense glade
no i can get it for sure
lusty grotto
did you look at the wowhead list or not
dense glade
yeh number 4 just saw it, myth pacemaker
yeh that's a good one, ill hold out for that then
lusty grotto
and #5
solid sun
Is it better to max out myth track items I have or use gilded on a new craft
Like which first
Or does it matter
dense glade
tome is good, i was using the hero track one, rly good single target
coarse latch
Is it better to max out myth track items I have or use gilded on a new craft
ive always just gone with whatever gives the most primary stat increase per increase but idk for prot
solid sun
I’m pretty sure you wanna do shield, weapon, trinkets
But after that I can save gilded for a craft (neck or boots) or I can juice a myth track ring
lusty grotto
shields > weapon > trinkets > helm=chest=legs > gloves=shoulders=belt=feet > bracers=cloak > rings=neck
thats the order of impact
stat pools start at helm=chest=legs
but you want ilvl on the others cause of the effects (trinkets) or cause ilvl means block and/or AP
or direct damage additions
sinful copper
What's best healer for prot warrior? Is it always oracle anyway since the shields help mitigate bleeds/magic dmg?
silk dawn
guys which trinket is better Eye of Kezan, Ringing Ritual Mud
or Chromebustible Bomb Suit?
lusty grotto
and shaman isnt behind due to Skyfury
solid sun
Oooo that’s interesting. I’ve seen others here mention Resto Druid
And then shaman for the buff like you mentioned
lusty grotto
guys which trinket is better Eye of Kezan, Ringing Ritual Mud
or Chromebustible ...
youre gonna need to provide more information and/or context
they are all good for very specific reasons
silk dawn
I just started playing and I don't have a trink yet
lusty grotto
so what are you asking?
silk dawn
I don't know what I should get
lusty grotto
ok do you mean for dinars?
near salmon
what's everyone's opinions on Holy priest? The few times that I had holy priest as healer it actually was smooth.
silk dawn
ok do you mean for dinars?
yes
lusty grotto
neither then
coarse latch
Shamans are good too because it's good to drink water 
lusty grotto
everything hero track you can farm in 6s
silk dawn
I see that all the top tanks have different trinkets
lusty grotto
so not worth a dinar
except for bomb suit which is a gally drop
so not as farmable
lusty grotto
I see that all the top tanks have different trinkets
the only trinkets that have a very broad use case are tome + pacemaker but you can farm those in 6s
those "top tanks" have trinkets for very specific uses that may not apply to you
silk dawn
Okay, I got it. Thanks for the advice
unborn island
Welp just got wrecked by rixxa on 16
solid sun
If you saw me and the trinkets I'm using, I can tell you about my top tank strats @silk dawn but they may not apply to you
(I'm not a top tank, I'm just an idiot)
unborn island
Was all going well until the third/4th charged shot overlapping with melees and the healer apparently not understanding that warriors have no self healing 🙂
silk dawn
If you saw me and the trinkets I'm using, I can tell you about my top tank strat...
I can listen, I'd be interested in learning something new
solid sun
I'm just being silly, friend
solid sun
Facts
I might be one of the best tanks doing 10's rn, unironically
But that's mostly because there are almost none doing them
lusty grotto
Was all going well until the third/4th charged shot overlapping with melees and ...
thats usually the go to excuse when healers fall behind and cant keep up the group
or with damage in general, not only on the group
lusty grotto
just remember algari healing pots are cheap 🙂
unborn island
Shaman
sinful copper
what's everyone's opinions on Holy priest? The few times that I had holy priest ...
Hard pass on holy. No pain supp
solid sun
Did you have a warlock in your group or did you score a cookie before doing the dungeon
unborn island
Like I said, I'm sure I fucked up something but like I just think they maybe didn't understand that you essentially need to spam heal a warrior tank
lusty grotto
i had an rsham say that exact shit tn me on big momma
sinful copper
Was all going well until the third/4th charged shot overlapping with melees and ...
Is the mech supposed to even live to 4th charged shot....? Lol. Sounds like DPS issue
unborn island
Had a warlock
lusty grotto
guy was just pumping damage
unborn island
Is the mech supposed to even live to 4th charged shot....? Lol. Sounds like DPS ...
This is also a fair point
silk dawn
can you explain how these trine combinations differ from each other?
unborn island
Blasted me for not using my dwarf racial to sort the damage 😛
lusty grotto
can you explain how these trine combinations differ from each other?
are you doing 19s?
silk dawn
9
lusty grotto
then you dont need those trinket combinations
sinful copper
Blasted me for not using my dwarf racial to sort the damage 😛
Lol what? Immune the magic dmg with dwarf racial?
sinful copper
Bro really linked 19s to ask about his 9s
unborn island
Idk, maybe they thought it's a general DR thing
silk dawn
Pacemaker + Tome
I got it, thanks again
lusty grotto
Blasted me for not using my dwarf racial to sort the damage 😛
are you NA
i swear this was the same guy that said shit to me on big momma
but could be a cousin
sinful copper
@unborn island did u time 16 priory already?
lusty grotto
i did perfect fucking cd management too
solid sun
322 might just be asking to learn about trinket selections
I get it isn't needed in a 9 but learning is still fun
unborn island
<@285205555532791808> did u time 16 priory already?
Nope, and not NA
sinful copper
I have nightmares about first boss priory. I've never felt weaker
lusty grotto
322 might just be asking to learn about trinket selections
i got that, but the type of information we give him might be overwhelming and its still a very broad question
hes asking about 4 different trinkets
solid sun
I was mostly responding to sorb. I should have just sent a reply to it
lusty grotto
ah i see
unborn island
I have nightmares about first boss priory. I've never felt weaker
I'm a dorf and now have a bombsuit, so I reckon it shouldn't be too awful?
sinful copper
Maybe. I'm going to try mud next time I do a high priory
unborn island
Trying on 15 back with like 664 gear or something was rough AF
sinful copper
I timed 15 priory today tho with no defensive trinket
unborn island
My 15 was also with tome + pacemaker
Think reasonable play + decent healer it's doable now even in a pug
unborn island
Yeah...and then people are like 'gogogo pull all of the paladins on the next pull'
Meanwhile all CDs are on cd
sinful copper
I did the triple after. I just waited 15 seconds
For a shield wall charge and then avatar came up shortly after
unborn island
Yeah, I managed it when I did mine too, but like...it's still iffy
sinful copper
Yeah so scary
solid sun
I will never be convinced that pulling huge after priory 1st boss is the play. My resources are exhausted. Double pull is about as big as I'll go.
sinful copper
And grouping that is scary as well
sinful copper
I will never be convinced that pulling huge after priory 1st boss is the play. M...
U save lust for it and doing double double double is rly rough on healer
unborn island
In my 14 I did double and we still timed it with 6 mins to spare or something
Idk, I have a theory that saving lust is a waste there
Like you could lust first boss and then get 4 lusts
In most groups
sinful copper
I think lust came up during the boss, wasn't there for start
unborn island
And it would make my asshole less sore
sinful copper
Rooofl true
solid sun
Are y'all pulling the entire last room
or are you pulling extra at the beginning and skipping a couple packs at the end
unborn island
Yeah, I did a route where we pulled basically no casters before first boss
Like, a couple of packs chained into Shaynemail, and that was basically it
near salmon
I will never be convinced that pulling huge after priory 1st boss is the play. M...
Hey Rhino, when you said double pull, do you mean the paladin pack at the front with a bunch of neophytes at the back ?
near salmon
That > double paladins > double paladins
ok got it.
solid sun
Keep in mind I'm in the 13's range
near salmon
that's how i do it too
solid sun
So my timer is far more forgiving than others here
sinful copper
Are y'all pulling the entire last room
I do full last room
At higher keys, u have to do the triple pull after first boss unfortunately
Or u won't time it / you'll die during doubles
solid sun
I've been doing that also but I kinda think it might be better to pull extra stuff at the beginning and skip stuff at the end
unborn island
I did that doubles in a 14 and was fine
stiff gate
ive depleted 17 priory twice now to the big paladin pull after first boss. one of those i walked out of first boss with avatar and nothing else and just died shortly after gathering, the other time i had cds and lived but the group died. absolutely hate that pull
putting the hardest pull of the dungeon right after a boss that rips through every one of my defensives is terrible
lusty grotto
my younger brother is REEing at the fact we can SR cheese split personality on his 5 mask run
i just linked him Jakey's video a few mins ago and went "see how he does it without SR cheesing"
ive been laughing at the silence
sinful copper
When are we supposed to get greater enchant?
lusty grotto
ive heard that either next week or the one after
sinful copper
putting the hardest pull of the dungeon right after a boss that rips through eve...
Yeah it's kinda insane. Like I'm trying my best to survive for the whole boss fight and coming inches to death. Then I finish it and I'm like ok I have nothing left and now I have to triple pull
stiff gate
yup
im trying to figure out a way to put a breather pull before the paladins
but everything in that area either needed to be cleared to get to the boss or isn't really worth pulling
round pendant
spell block
round pendant
boss doesn't need spell block and you use spell block on the paladins
lets your sw recharge
etc
sinful copper
Boss doesn't need it? Doesn't lieutenant truck u with magic?
Does 7.5m damage on 15 and im pretty sure that's after spell reflect dr
round pendant
it's not spell blockable iirc
lusty grotto
Emberlanz? you cant spell block anything from her
sinful copper
So spell reflect does nothing as well?
sinful copper
Why doesn't spell block do anything against her tank buster?
round pendant
because blizzard
stiff gate
they probably just flagged it as unblockable for funzies
lusty grotto
just be glad that we have a lot of spell block use this season lol
shit was wild in DF
mighty valley
yeah those paladin packs are more about how many taco bell bongs your healer can handle
coarse latch
is soridormi still useless in horrific visions? She was massively increasing hp before afaik
stiff gate
any of you guys have a good priory route for 16/17? i feel like im doing a different route every time and they're all bad
lusty grotto
is soridormi still useless in horrific visions? She was massively increasing hp ...
you dont need her
nobody does
coarse latch
you dont need her
ok thanks
stiff gate
feels like any given pack in the dungeon will just randomly kill someone whether its a knight or a lightspawn or a bunch of casters or some lynxes or sharpshooters...
lusty grotto
even healers can solo it, voidweaver owns it
sinful copper
Def don't pull any lynxes.... Caltrops are pug nightmares too but u have to get sharpshooters. Just get threat or someone dies
lusty grotto
lynxes are avoidable
as in, you can just move out of their jumps
if someone dies to them, they just dont know about it
stiff gate
watching all 3 of my melee dps run out in the same direction then stand on top of each other and take 3x miniboss bleed....
lmao
solid sun
lynxes are avoidable
holy shit
sinful copper
It's just as bad as watching first boss rookery all melees run same direction with circles and bomb each other
solid sun
Is this real life
sinful copper
Iunno I've never pulled lynx in any of my priories
scenic bone
Does shield block’s buff pandemic when reapplied or does it work like demonic spikes for VDH?
rain light
coarse latch
<:deadge:900279927138578432>
They didn't need tank enough
lusty grotto
Does shield block’s buff pandemic when reapplied or does it work like demonic sp...
no
it doesnt pandemic
scenic bone
lusty grotto
it adds the full duration up to 3 times its base duration
which is the cap
any remaining seconds arent added
therefore not pandemic
scenic bone
Damn, I’ve been playing VDH and Pwarr as if their mit does pandemic rather than just add onto the prior buff at the full duration
scenic bone
I thought Yoda was joking when he said to just macro spikes onto some filler spell and not to think about it (I know why that’s bad). Then I saw him just sending spike charges on CD.
lusty grotto
pandemic effects make more sense with dot types anyway
scenic bone
Aight, that’s helpful either way. Thank you!
lusty grotto
mighty valley
yeah it's hard to press sb super wrong
but if you pretend it has a pandemic window you'll be slightly better
lusty grotto
lmao yea
its mega cope, but im used to it
id rather not have a split second or gcd-long gap
scenic bone
Neither would I, I was just playing around shield charge and shield block’s cooldowns a little too much
lusty grotto
gaps might not hurt with Fel Spikes, but they do hurt with SB
scenic bone
IE sitting on shield charge instead of just sending it on CD
lusty grotto
well, i guess they do hurt with spikes, but you can just recover
lusty grotto
especially with tier set
scenic bone
mighty valley
og walkman design is so cool dude... everything's too smooth now
scenic bone
The only VDH weirdness I can think of is using spikes while in meta but I guess the armor cap isn’t super worth sweating over
lusty grotto
thats the best kind of chill
kinda weird if they do but it is what it is
ive been getting my VDH just playing with meta during spike gaps
which is what ive been always use to doing
gearing, not getting lol
scenic bone
10% chance to not take damage in an enormous MDI pull is OP no matter how you slice it
lusty grotto
yeah true
sometimes i think about making one of those invicinble memes with frailty stacks, calcified, meta, beam compared to SB, but then i remember whos meta
"look at what they have to do for a fraction of our power... oh"
maybe with a prot toon with with his back turned lmao
lofty warren
What in the fck they gonna remove all addon?s
round pendant
lmao
coarse latch
i know there is the pinned message of blockable and reflectable casts, but are there any plater profiles for tanks that make it easier or WAs, etc
or you do just memorize them over time basically
lusty grotto
there are none
there's a reflectable WA but we dont generally recommend it
it might help to start out
but can put spells you dont generally want to reflect etc
coarse latch
ok, thanks. ill just basically try to memorize them from the list then dungeon by dungeon
lofty warren
Auto ion gets through with you you won't be able to know what is reflectable
lusty grotto
ok, thanks. ill just basically try to memorize them from the list then dungeon b...
easiest way is with experience
lusty grotto
you just... naturally know
coarse latch
you just... naturally know
yeah i figured it was something like that
lusty grotto
if its casted and its targetting you, its probably reflectable, if it has travel time, its 90% possibly reflectable
priory last boss casts? reflectable
caster casts on you from trash in that same dungeon? reflectable
anything else doesnt target you or w/e so its not important
you can even reflect the mages volley, if it happens to go off
not that it should but yea
volleys have travel time so reflectable, probably one of the few forms of aoe that can be reflected
just giving an example
coarse latch
very cool
im looking at the list
like ipas circle aoe is spell blockable i guess which is interesting
coarse latch
if its casted and its targetting you, its probably reflectable, if it has travel...
ill keep these all in mind
holy cow reckless delivery is blockable 😮
aoe
i mean i will start with really low mythics and then do 6-7s just to gear heroics - so the damage wont be hugem but still good to know when to block
sharp gale
can I get in trouble for mailing my friend 100k gold
Im getting mailed every week by someone not in my friendlist for the past 5 months and im not in trouble
On a char I don’t play, on a server I have only 1 char
There is one addon needed in the game for tank players
MDT
or at least a dungeon journal of the dungeon trashs
coarse latch
MDT
yeah i have that installed and ive been using keystoneguru or raiderio weekly pug friendly routes
symphony of the masks is account wide right? maybe i should do this on my bear tank way higher ilvl lol
coarse latch
ohh
lusty grotto
character specific
coarse latch
well good to know, any shot of 632 roughly u think? prolly not
lusty grotto
but you can buy the warbound drop item and just get warbound champ gear on runs
coarse latch
but you can buy the warbound drop item and just get warbound champ gear on runs
ok thanks
dannnnngggg i got to the second area the boss to 10% and lost insanity 😮
sharp gale
but you can buy the warbound drop item and just get warbound champ gear on runs
the champ warbound need 5 mask run achievement 
but i think just normal runs with 632 is fine
just don't invoke the npc and do it with no friends
bc i guess friends increase trashs hp too
frosty mango
Who is creepin on me in the monk discord
sharp gale
idk him it's been a while, i see kate is still there
lofty warren
I see you raid berg
frosty mango
Oh man I don’t have raidberg yet
sharp gale
lusty grotto
the champ warbound need 5 mask run achievement <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
yes thats what we were talking about
sharp gale
oh didn't know it was called symphony of masks
lusty grotto
ye
lofty warren
but why do it now instead when you have the hole talent tree ready?
frosty mango
but why do it now instead when you have the hole talent tree ready?
So he can flex on us shitters obviously
Why else?
toxic pewter
Imagine not getting 5 mask achievement first week LOL
I would uninstall
It’s like not getting aotc first week
sharp gale
but why do it now instead when you have the hole talent tree ready?
same reason as killing the delve boss the first week
sinful copper
I never killed delve boss. Delves and visions are trash content imo
lofty warren
whats a dwleve boss
pallid quiver
Likely the things like Zekvir and the Gobbo dude from this time
sharp gale
i don't remember if i did it the first week tho
pallid quiver
oh i think i forgot to do this season's boss
sharp gale
but i did it before he got nerfed maybe
pallid quiver
i should do that soon
pallid quiver
but i did it before he got nerfed maybe
He got buffed in some ways for War specifically; you aren't/weren't able to reflect the fear thing for damage and what not after a point
sharp gale
i forgot too, i did couple trys before a raid and 1-3% fails, i didn't bother to try again, he is easy
sharp gale
that's the reason we try to do it the first week ^^
sharp gale
yes he is easy now
did i just read 25% thunderblast damage buff
and clap
🙏
i pray it's like demolish buff in ptr
coarse latch
ye
Is this a viable strat to get heroic gear? Or do you have to basically out level the gear that it gives you, ie be 680 to do the five mask achievement?
narrow jay
did i just read 25% thunderblast damage buff
Fury only i think unfortunately
lusty grotto
Is this a viable strat to get heroic gear? Or do you have to basically out level...
not right now
maybe when the rest of the hourglass opens
sharp gale
Fury only i think unfortunately
you know we play colossus rn because of an arms buff
chilly brook
you know we play colossus rn because of an arms buff
we played colo before that on PTR it just happened to be an extra benefit
lusty grotto
the demolish buff isnt a big deal anyway
i believe nome did preemptive calcs if it was removed for prot
it was not much
sharp gale
i don't remember how much it was
chilly brook
sometimes I just wanna clap
sharp gale
that's why hopium is the way
lusty grotto
yeah we will see
sharp gale
it was 30% damage buff on demolish for the nerds who wanted to know
coarse latch
maybe when the rest of the hourglass opens
Yeah, that's true
lusty grotto
it was 30% damage buff on demolish for the nerds who wanted to know
for overall it wasnt nearly as much
which is the only number that matters
if it was removed, that is
sharp gale
i trust you, i was afk / raid logging ansurek in january
sharp gale
is stix' meltdown a spell block angle or a SR angle
It is spell block able
But still press SR tho, it’s free DR
lean tangle
What helm enchant is good?
lusty grotto
🤔
lean tangle
Thanks
nocturne spindle
🙂
round cliff
the 66% wall on stix
cerulean tusk
Oh yeah guys, dont forget to riot about prot not getting the WW buff
We need it buffed for our 2h builds, so please, go to twitter and rage
hollow hill
I'm not sure if it's just a visual thing, but I'm noticing on Stix that when I demolish, he's not getting the debuff on him properly. Sometimes he'll get no stacks, other times like 2-3
coarse latch
after getting the quest to choose enchant can you get the same enchant again?
i only have a champion helm rn
lusty grotto
yes it costs 500 mementos
coarse latch
yes it costs 500 mementos
thanks
coarse latch
when bosses do tank busters - say like gorechop hateful strike - is shield block enough or do you need to have shield wall up too?
cerulean tusk
Mitigate when able and it makes sense. Do you need to? Did it kill you? Then yeah, it was needed.
coarse latch
Mitigate when able and it makes sense. Do you need to? Did it kill you? Then yea...
alright thanks 🙂 bout to do my first +2 ToP i expect it to be painful
cerulean tusk
Just send things more often than not, and you can try to adjust things around over time
coarse latch
true, thats a good idea thanks
mighty valley
in the lower key levels you probably won't really notice which tankbusters are real and which ones matter less
then as you go up, keep an eye on your health bar and notice when your brain says OH FUCK
round pendant
Can't think of a single tankbuster that one shots us before like 14 or 15s
cerulean tusk
Momma on pull
round pendant
Low keys are a ghost town
coarse latch
yeah.... i figure i should probably not start at higher keys though knowing ntohing about tanking lol
coarse latch
yeah im running my +2
round pendant
Nice
coarse latch
just leveled to 80
i did put "new tank" in title... but idk best to honest imo
maybe i should do what "those" people do and put something like "gamers" or "pumpers only" as title
indigo yoke
i did put "new tank" in title... but idk best to honest imo
Just send it. Keep shield block up and you’ll be fine
void girder
Can't think of a single tankbuster that one shots us before like 14 or 15s
Priory 1 boss dot smacks
And TOP last boss
2 bosses I can think of that shield block does nothing
pallid quiver
technically last boss of top is blockable
void girder
Feels like it isn’t haha
pallid quiver
It is half physical, which is blockable, and magic, which is blockable with spell block
pallid quiver
That's due to the magic damage portion if you don't have spell block up
void girder
When you first encounter of it
pallid quiver
If you have spell block up, you probably don't need anything else
void girder
If you have spell block up, you probably don't need anything else
Thanks for the tip that’s awesome
In need to learn what spell clack
Cds work on
I have a wa for spell reflect
pallid quiver
The reflect sheet in pins should have everything documented now about what's blockable, with spell block and not
mighty valley
it would be cool if the rules on what was spell reflectable and what was spell blockable were consistent
but that's not the world we live in
undone beacon
We put 100+ pulls into Stix using the gentle touch raid leading method
I finally started just calling people out in an agitated manner and then we killed the boss two pulls later
What a concept, people need to be kicked in the shins to kill bosses ig
undone beacon
Sorry, let me rephrase
these people need to be kicked in the shins or they won’t use tempered pots in mythic prog
undone beacon
Is this a common experience or is my guild just kinda shitters
mighty valley
you had a specific problem and presented a specific soluation
i think sometimes people need to be jolted out of autopilot on long prog
coarse latch
Just send it. Keep shield block up and you’ll be fine
yeah it worked out did my first +2 ToP first time tanking 😄 had some deaths.. but none were really my fauly i dont think. like one shots from the aoe scythes etc
undone beacon
We wiped at 0.8% to enrage and multiple dps went “oh man I shoulda used a tempered pot” 
I’m just venting cuz annoyed lol
mighty valley
congrats on getting there
undone beacon
yeah it worked out did my first +2 ToP first time tanking 😄 had some deaths.. b...
Nice!
indigo yoke
yeah it worked out did my first +2 ToP first time tanking 😄 had some deaths.. b...
Love to hear it. Keep pushing!
coarse latch
mordrethas tank buster was brutal.. it felt way more brutal than the other bosses
no idea what its called my dbm just said defensive
mighty valley
mordrethas tank buster was brutal.. it felt way more brutal than the other bosse...
once upon a time we could spell reflect it
coarse latch
once upon a time we could spell reflect it
sad they got rid of the ability to do that
undone beacon
Still not a bad idea to spell reflect on each once since it has a magic damage component
Remember that Spell Reflect is also a 25% Magic DR, super useful on a short cooldown
I remind our dps warriors a lot to use it for general magic mitigation and not just for the satisfying reflect
mighty valley
yeah it's actually a cracked defensive that dps barely think about lol
coarse latch
Still not a bad idea to spell reflect on each once since it has a magic damage c...
ill do that now
mighty valley
when you're starting out, just throw your defensives out
undone beacon
mighty valley
better than holding them for a rainy day that never comes
(especially now that we're running IO)
coarse latch
better than holding them for a rainy day that never comes
true lol - just holding them forever
undone beacon
when you're starting out, just throw your defensives out
This is huge, yeah. We get a lot of CDR on shield wall, and our defensives are generally pretty short cd
It’s better to just… take less damage. Then as you get more comfortable with the dungeons you learn where to get the most value out of things
Saving Wall for a scary pull, where spell block puts in overtime, etc
It’s all about getting in the reps :)
mighty valley
it's a weird thing, i feel like you learn better by being like "oh fuck that hurt, i wish my defensive wasn't on CD"
than you would if you never pressed it at all
undone beacon
Yeah, because now you’re aware of the spike and will be less likely to let it happen again
And prot is very proactive with its mitigation instead of reactive, so saving SW and then hitting it after you’ve been spiked doesn’t do much and encourages bad habits
just gotta ZUG
coarse latch
When I had my defensive up and I took no damage and everyone else did on an AOE I feel like a boss
Then I get hit by a tank buster without proper mitigation and I don't feel like a boss 🤣
So it's memorable
coarse latch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1075277342777294901/...
Yeah 
mild pendant
Just hit all +12s and wondering about the myth trinkets. i dont raid. Currently running hero Tome and Pacemaker. Should i go hero bombsuit + Myth pacemaker?
ionic fern
If you need a defensive trinket,yes,bombsuit.
If not,tome+pacemaker is a solid combo.
mild pendant
My reflect WA comes up every time when mudslide is being cast on Floodgate. We cant just stand in it and reflect the dmg right...?
mighty valley
it deflects, you don’t take any damage but it doesn’t reflect any back to the boss
nice option to have if you get cornered or something but not a strat you should be actively trying to do
near salmon
interesting
I hate to admit. I really suck at doing the leaping sparks on Gigazap. Someone always took the puddle i was trying to use and i had to keep running. Eventually i would get thunder punched into a electrified puddle and die.
round cliff
I hate to admit. I really suck at doing the leaping sparks on Gigazap. Someone a...
take the one closest to u when puddles go out
claim ur territory ahead of time
then go back up to the terminal
ionic fern
If you play 2 melee dps'ers that ain't going to work.
I usually go to the one near me,and if it gets taken I leap to a further one.
idle copper
it deflects, you don’t take any damage but it doesn’t reflect any back to the bo...
The tank buster he does at the end of the rolling orbs is mitigated by spell reflect though yep?
near salmon
If you play 2 melee dps'ers that ain't going to work.
yea. there is almost always others in the melee range. lol it's hard to claim a puddle. Someone will just use it anyway
frosty mango
When I had my defensive up and I took no damage and everyone else did on an AOE ...
Healer issue to be sure
Remember wall also sends avatar so technically shield wall is a dps cooldown
flat peak
Sorry to bother but just a quick question for y'all:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vd5jFrQy3yfPAVeuxzGZz4
This is my sim, it's showing for me to use the Mythic Priory trinket and replace the heroic pacemaker, does that seem like the best play even when I can't guarantee my M+/raid groups will have a priory group?
hearty terrace
Sorry to bother but just a quick question for y'all:
https://www.raidbots.com/si...
What you siming? Fells quite low
flat peak
What you siming? Fells quite low
I usually sim with no buffs
slender bison
The next reset patch notes - the TC boost just applies to Fury? Or it will be picked by prot too?
hearty terrace
I usually sim with no buffs
Even so was Prot nerfed that much my 650 start of session was siming for 1.4-1.5m
frosty mango
The next reset patch notes - the TC boost just applies to Fury? Or it will be pi...
It’s specifically listed under fury so most likely it’s fury tuning designed to increase m+ viability
slender bison
It’s specifically listed under fury so most likely it’s fury tuning designed to ...
Yeah, my face dropped after seeing Thane boost
frosty mango
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069/137527747695...
In the actual blue post it’s listed under fury
flat peak
Even so was Prot nerfed that much my 650 start of session was siming for 1.4-1.5...
yeah idk it's a ST 6min Patchwerk fight with no buffs 🤷♂️ just trying to figure out if I should replace pacemaker heroic with Mythic Priory without the priory full group
frosty mango
I would not expect it to apply to prot
Maybe it does and it’s a typo but usually they call those things out separately
jagged gust
prot WW buffs?!
slender bison
It would be insane to boost MT TC/TB for prot by 25%
hearty terrace
yeah idk it's a ST 6min Patchwerk fight with no buffs 🤷♂️ just trying to figur...
If it sims Better then I would if your looking for DPS macro it to your avtar
slender bison
But rarely I seen one class spell boosted for a spec
vale escarp
It’s specifically listed under fury so most likely it’s fury tuning designed to ...
Some weeks ago the Demolish buff was also only listed for Arms but worked on Prot too.
slender bison
"WE ARE SO BACK" - Prot warr after next reset
Maybe we'll get Elemental Shaman treatment from S1
sharp gale
Some weeks ago the Demolish buff was also only listed for Arms but worked on Pro...
It was in January
I hope it is the same case here
slim stag
Hi all, do we craft everforged defender with duskthread lining this season? I'm a bit late to the game 🙂
woeful trellis
Miss information spread, so deleted
slim stag
No plan to do that
Goal is +7 all
wispy moth
So yes, craft it 😉
slim stag
I have the gilded from delves to craft at 675, should keep me busy for a month or so
vast epoch
Even if you would run 12s , you wan to buy missing trinkets
Also its only trinkets from dungeon available loot for dinars or i just didnt pay attention shield is available
Anyway shield craft is always first choice if you lack one and take dawn or dusk whatever sims tell you
slim stag
🤛 many thanks all
keen vine
you cant buy m+ shields or weapons with dinars, only raid ones
woeful trellis
Damn
wispy moth
I have the gilded from delves to craft at 675, should keep me busy for a month o...
Depends on what you want to do !
If you want to keep gilded to craft 681 at once, keep them. If you need the 675 to better tanking, craft it first
Try to keep dinars for trinkets you can't get from looting (mythic track dung trinkets for example)
coarse latch
Remember wall also sends avatar so technically shield wall is a dps cooldown
Dang.. I have to remember that
polar patio
Short question since its class unrelated. Does Gem Positioning have any impact? Since Top Gear always suggest Swapping Head Gem with Belt Gem for me on DK
slim stag
Depends on what you want to do !
If you want to keep gilded to craft 681 at onc...
I don't plan to push anything. Just get some m+ to 7 or so and casual gaming
twin swift
Short question since its class unrelated. Does Gem Positioning have any impact? ...
it does not have any difference, raidbots just always put them in that order
wispy moth
I don't plan to push anything. Just get some m+ to 7 or so and casual gaming
So crafty 675 shield if you can 🙂
slim stag
😃
sinful copper
Hmmm mountain thane is slightly less DPS than Colossus but more survivability? And if these buffs work for prot then..... We swapping to MT?
keen vine
prot didnt recieve buffs
sinful copper
That's what u think
keen vine
idk whats with the copium lol
rough nest
It’s specifically listed under fury so most likely it’s fury tuning designed to ...
Did a 10 with a 670 fury war in it, it was just sad 😅
Mostly ok on bosses but any time we had to aoe he was barely above me
sharp gale
Hmmm mountain thane is slightly less DPS than Colossus but more survivability? A...
The difference as thane in surv is : you play thunderlord with a prio clap build
sinful copper
Yeah but.... Is it more survivability but less DPS?
sharp gale
20% less in AoE
sinful copper
So if those buffs work for prot, we gon' be big clappin
sharp gale
You are allowed to do keys as thane to verify ^^
sinful copper
So not more survivability and 20% less DPS right now?
sharp gale
That’s why we play colossus
I prefer thane gameplay in keys but the damage diff is too big for me
sinful copper
But I was pretty sure MT was close to Colossus in both survivability and DPS
keen vine
in surv ir could be
sinful copper
20% in aoe is wild
keen vine
but in damage it is behind
sharp gale
As said, you play thunderlord as MT, so you have that talent
keen vine
you also have more rage, and you dont spam revenge as much so you can use IP more
sinful copper
I see
sharp gale
you also have more rage, and you dont spam revenge as much so you can use IP mor...
But you do 20% less damage so you leech 20% less, you convert 20% less damage in ip with BV, and, Colossus has 20% more IP per cast, so you need to cast 20% more IP to have the same as thane
keen vine
thats true
sinful copper
Crazy
sharp gale
- thane don’t have the rage of S1 anymore it is less rage but yes still more than col because clap >revenge in the rotation
But i recommend thane for new prot players still
Because rage starving will kill you, and it’s easier to rage starve as col
New prot warriors need to learn so many things, I prefer to put good rage management in the back of the list
unborn island
It's quite funny with rage management. Like I do my little 16s and don't worry about dying. I fail plenty of keys because other people die etc but it's rarely my going splat, and I do good DPS, so I figured I must be playing at least okay, right.
Then I went and looked at my logs Vs Sense logs and...I am just so bad by comparison
But I guess that's a good incentive to get better 🙂
sharp gale
That’s what is really good in WoW, you can always improve even more, we all are learning (even me I do really great in raid but the guys over me does way more, so I know I can perfect my gaming)
Even with 0 rage wasted btw
keen vine
is there a way to see wasted rage in logs?
sharp gale
Ressources, you change hit points into rage, and click on yourself
keen vine
found it thanks
sharp gale
Motherlode 14 as example (you can look on wcl for specific dungeons or hero talent)
unborn island
That's very efficient!
What does your rage look like over the key? (The chart)
Side note on Motherlode, last night I had the issue where I died on Rixxa and he healer went off on one.
I then did it again, and it was fine, we finished the key, but with 11 deaths, (mostly people standing in the fire) including the healer standing in the fire and dying with Razdunk on 1%.
We missed the timer by 3seconds lol
Obvs not the healer's fault, everyone else should have just not died, but that last death really stung.
sharp gale
dense remnant
Is the thunderblast for fury different spell compared to our thunderblast? Ie is the fury buff also buffing thane or naw?
sharp gale
Is the thunderblast for fury different spell compared to our thunderblast? Ie is...
1 Mountain thane talent increase whirlwind damage as prot, I wouldn’t be surprised if they do the same as in ptr
What happened on ptr of 11.1
unborn island
That is really good rage management to avoid wastage and maintain like that. You must be a very good player.
unborn island
Yeah, but that is often not to do with your own approach, rather external stuff
I also don't think there is a perfect equivalence there, like some stuff you go to 28% and then live, right
If you don't have BSV
Also, personally I often use BSV deliberately as an extra CD
sharp gale
unborn island
Let me guess, peacekeeper, bleed on miniboss before 2nd boss, Rixxa, and standing in the fire on Razdunk?
Or just getting trucked by Razdunk autos?
sharp gale
Peacekeeper, second boss, rixxa and last boss (I slacked in an AoE )
Auto cannon made it procc but I remember I just stayed on the circle before, the auto just put me under bsv threshold
(It was 5 weeks ago, I don’t push so i slightly remember since it’s the only push ML I did since)
wispy moth
(Meaning for me : I died)
You don't play BSV for this?
For me it's a good way to show how many times you may fail as tank, but it can be used as defensive cd when last stand is on cd
slender bison
You don't play BSV for this?
For me it's a good way to show how many times you m...
Dailcry and Momma will trigger BSV no matter how good you play past 14/15s
Unless healer clutch pre PainSupress or ramp before Bleed/Electrocrush
But, yes, BsV makes us lazy in general and rest of the cases. Maybe also good Vs Orc Taskmaster in ML
wispy moth
Dailcry and Momma will trigger BSV no matter how good you play past 14/15s
So, if you triggered it in 10/11 it may be a sign to tell you that you're playing bad or you can just use it intentionnaly as a defensive cd ?
slender bison
So, if you triggered it in 10/11 it may be a sign to tell you that you're playin...
BsV should be played past 14/15 especially in PuGs where Disc priest forget they have 2 charges of Pain Suppress
Or help Rsham etc
In general SW with good CDR due to Shield Slam resets will carry you without BsV
wispy moth
I played with disc priest, maybe one or two casts of pain sup in the whole key ... that's why I prefer to play BSV; I prefer to be independant
slender bison
At this point I'm telling discs to stop keeping PS for next expansion and use it in critical areas
But of you trigger BsV in 10s, that's a YOU problem. For ex chain pulling with shield block off
I have 100% SB and 75% IP uptime in Dailcry 14 and I still triggered BsV. Healer needs to pump there
round pendant
They need to give ps to holy
hollow patio
Can somebody explain me how that first hit is supposed to not be a block? Is that just a wcl bug or am I missing something?
The mitigation is way too high if it's really no block
sacred bone
have myth track weapon and shield in vault both with crit/haste, currently have 681 crafted items, which one would u pick
wispy moth
But of you trigger BsV in 10s, that's a YOU problem. For ex chain pulling with s...
I'm always pulling with shield block up (with SC or pressing SB button) but maybe I'm pulling to huge pack without SW up. Maybe I'm a bit to low geared?
frosty mango
Boss dmg from fury is so good
No chance
round pendant
that's cap
frosty mango
It’s not bad but it’s not any better than any other class
coarse latch
Arms too <:sadge:820202363359854633>
The buffs doing anything?
oblique cipher
The buffs doing anything?
absolutely nothing
round pendant
We're warriors we don't get buffed
oblique cipher
only nerfed
lusty juniper
Is it better to go for ringing ritual of mud myth track or bomb suit hero track? I don't raid and already have pacemaker mythtrack
ocean smelt
have myth track weapon and shield in vault both with crit/haste, currently have ...
Don't know if you picked since then but I would say shield
ocean smelt
Is it better to go for ringing ritual of mud myth track or bomb suit hero track?...
Hero bombsuit is better than myth mud
sleek mulch
Got a hero jastors from the weekly box. Is it worth a damn on prot? Or is the heavy mastery to off putting for us to run. (Current 2 hero crit/haste rings)
frosty mango
Arms too <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Arms isn’t bad at all
It’s not melee meta but you’re not griefing by playing it
Also lol @ them buffing a skill for arms that arms doesn’t even use
round pendant
genius shit
solid sun
Hero bombsuit is better than myth mud
With the exceptions, I believe, of floodgate and priory
solid sun
Got a hero jastors from the weekly box. Is it worth a damn on prot? Or is the he...
Sim it
ocean smelt
With the exceptions, I believe, of floodgate and priory
Yeah it's slighly better for about one boss of each of those dungeons indeed
solid sun
The two hardest bosses.
frosty mango
It’s good across those entire dungeons because there’s a lot of dots
You get the cdr for the majority of the dungeon which results in a lot more effective uses
solid sun
I also feel like it’s easier to get hero bombsuit than it is myth mud. H Gally just kinda falls over at this point
But I’m also not disagreeing with hero bombsuit mostly being better. Just wanted to throw out a little more info
silk dawn
Guys, tell me what percentage of characteristics should I strive for prot war?
mortal cypress
Guys, tell me what percentage of characteristics should I strive for prot war?
Ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name (Fat Gary!)
vast epoch
Charisma very important prot stat , so skill full into it
silk dawn
Ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of wil...
)))))
round pendant
)))))
stats? 16k haste with 4p (for Into The Fray), otherwise str > haste > crit >= vers > mastery
solid sun
The parenthetical there meaning that if you don’t meet that, it’s good to go heavy repercussions instead
silk dawn
stats? 16k haste with 4p (for Into The Fray), otherwise str > haste > crit >= ve...
I understand, thank you very much, but is there a cap for versatility and crit or is it not so important?
pallid quiver
No caps are particularly worth worrying about, even haste
Honestly, as long as you have stats, you're good
So once you have a comfortable amount of haste that lets you keep SB up with ITF, you can sim the rest
silk dawn
So once you have a comfortable amount of haste that lets you keep SB up with ITF...
I just saw that players from the top 100 very often put versatility in craft items. Do you know why this is?
wispy moth
stats? 16k haste with 4p (for Into The Fray), otherwise str > haste > crit >= ve...
With or without flask ?
I'm only playing with swiftness to get more haste
round pendant
pallid quiver
I just saw that players from the top 100 very often put versatility in craft ite...
Two reasons:
Once you have enough crit, which depends on how much other secondaries you have so can change with even the slightest change of gear, grabbing vers gives more damage
They just feel safer with vers because vers work on everything, therefore me safe. That's not particularly true, but it also goes to show that your secondary spread really doesn't matter for Prot War. They're all close enough that having stats of any kind is fine
round pendant
With or without flask ?
I'm only playing with swiftness to get more haste
The recommendation is pre-buffs
pallid quiver
Anything that makes you less likely to mistime anything or make a mistake like missing a kick/not getting defensives back for a defensive rotation/etc is always good for pushing high keys, since those are what will brick your keys, not "will my tank live if I get 0.2% DR on this dot?"
round pendant
Vers just feels bad since it's such a low stat value
like what is it like 200 per 1%?
pallid quiver
all i know off the top of my head is that the DR portion is half the damage portion
so you have to work even harder to get reduction from it
mystic perch
Heya fellas, if i multi spec all 3 warr specs. And am only on my way to all +12 but no mythc raid. is it worth to just take hero house of cards if i dont raid at all on this char? - taking into account I do have hero funhouse lens
solid sun
Feels like a sim angle to me - myth pacemaker vs hero house? Idk if our dps brothers and sisters like pacemaker or not though tbh
coarse latch
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If I have Demolish up but avatar wont be up for a while is it ok to pop a shield wall to get avatar to use demolish? Or is that a bad idea for a new tank (maybe need defensive for a boss coming up etc)
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On first pull we have 0 stacks of collosal might, but after that do we generally only want to use demolish with 10 stacks after that?
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I always forget to use shield charge.. when do you all generally use it? just when you need ignore pain?
wicked pollen
@pallid quiver do you have any idea how much haste i would need to play itf without +2s of sb uptime
surely a large amount
round pendant
* If I have Demolish up but avatar wont be up for a while is it ok to pop a shie...
- yes unless you need your SWs for upcoming busters/etc
- Just send demo on cd with as many amps as possible (but not at the expense of mitigating important things)
- shield charge on cd
round pendant
oh enduring defenses
coarse latch
1. yes unless you need your SWs for upcoming busters/etc
2. Just send demo on cd...
ok thanks 😄
vocal cave
between house of cards, peacemaker and tome which 2 would you pick for general use? both m+ and raid