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round pendant
solid sun
Idk if this is a hot take, but idgaf about the RWF guilds
lusty grotto
which im super into, i like ffxiv's 8 man approach for that reason
round pendant
Idk if this is a hot take, but idgaf about the RWF guilds
same
lusty grotto
yup, but also the fucking stupid ancient lockout
round pendant
but I think they're good marketing for blizzard or something
there's gotta be a reason they refuse to go 10m
dusky canopy
I don’t either rhino, the game absolutely should not be catered to or designed around RWF people
Not sorry it’s just ridiculous that it is in the first place
solid sun
Idk why mythic raid has different lockout rules than the other difficulties
round pendant
because fuck you
lusty grotto
I don’t either rhino, the game absolutely should not be catered to or designed a...
thats not why 10m doesnt exist
dusky canopy
I don’t think it is Nim.
sharp gale
But for 10 man boss design, I have to admit idk how it would look like, since I just know 20 man for so long, it is carved as « normal »
lusty grotto
its not about RWF people at all
dusky canopy
It exists because there’s over 30 specs in the game
lusty grotto
right
sharp gale
How many classes ?
round pendant
also cause they hated balancing 10m vs 25m raids back in the day
frosty mango
Xiv raid style diff than wow, I do enjoy the 8 man model
But not the encounter design as much
Body checks hurt me
If wow brought back 10 man I’d be stoked tho
dusky canopy
I’d be shocked if they changed the group size for mythic
tender pond
smaller raid sizes would definitely rip some classes depending on balance
dusky canopy
Highly doubt that will ever happen honestly
solid sun
I just think it’s beans that at no point during the season I can even attempt mythic raid bosses without pugging. Even if they want to keep the standard 20m for hof, at some point during the season I’d love to see either a flex or 10m option become available
undone beacon
Remove raids, remove M+, remove PvP. Delves only
lusty grotto
Body checks hurt me
id say body checks are required and more acceptable in low number of players content instead of 20m though, they make more sense then and there -- but also it makes more sense in ffxiv's fight design considering you can just raise people, so probably not in WoW if they keep Brez as is
tender pond
I just think it’s beans that at no point during the season I can even attempt my...
you cant attempt mythic? why?
round pendant
You can pug 2-4 mythic bosses
it's just a nightmare, especially if you get unlucky and get some salty leavers
dusky canopy
I don’t mind mythic being a commitment
sharp gale
smaller raid sizes would definitely rip some classes depending on balance
Yep bc you would need less AoE for that add set so every one out, bring me 1 AoE spec and 5 boss damage
solid sun
Only way I can is through pugging, which I don’t want to do
dusky canopy
I feel like that’s the entire problem M+ has
There’s zero commitment
Just throw shit at the wall until it sticks
round pendant
yeah but at least I can just log on and play something somewhat engaging
tender pond
Only way I can is through pugging, which I don’t want to do
that is just not true unless you are highly unflexible with your time
round pendant
raid prep and time investment is insane
solid sun
I field a 10m raid group. We went 2/2/6 through heroic. I cannot do that in mythic, Kronzo
tender pond
Rhino
your guild group or w/e might be a 10man
but hear me out
you can join raid communities that actively prog without being in a guild
you can find more players
frosty mango
smaller raid sizes would definitely rip some classes depending on balance
If they went to 10m imo they need to do only 10m
10 + 25 is a balance nightmare
lusty grotto
its annoying yea
thats just cope
sharp gale
I don’t mind mythic being a commitment
I don’t mind too, but 20 is a lot of dudes (since you need more in the roster)
frosty mango
For what it’s worth, people said the same thing when we moved from 40m
Everyone hailed the move as amazing
lusty grotto
and we havent moved from 20m in how many years?
sharp gale
40 is diabolical
tender pond
thats just cope
idk nim, I've gone through several guilds and raid groups in my time and I have always put in the effort myself to get a solid raid together. It was annoying as hell but i always pulled through to do the content i want to do
undone beacon
The out of game logistics to make 20 man mythics work is honestly the biggest thing holding it back. It’s herding cats to get 20+ people to fuckin cooperate to come together at one time
lusty grotto
idk nim, I've gone through several guilds and raid groups in my time and I have ...
youre ignoring the point altogether
i raid as well
sharp gale
40m classic raid could beat a gorilla with their hands
round pendant
It's pretty infeasible to get you + your friends into progging mythic together imo
lusty grotto
ask any recruitment officer
tender pond
nim all im saying is that him saying he cant is a misrepresentation of whats actually happening
frosty mango
IMO 10 man mythic would be healthier for the game altogether
dusky canopy
People just need to accept that the hardest content in this game is not aimed at the working parent who plays for 1-2 hours every couple days
It is what it is
round pendant
nim all im saying is that him saying he **cant** is a misrepresentation of whats...
You get his point tho, you're just being pedantic no?
solid sun
My ten person group cannot do mythic
lusty grotto
People just need to accept that the hardest content in this game is not aimed at...
but what if they are good players and can hold their own?
solid sun
Idk what’s so hard to understand about that
frosty mango
My ten person group cannot do mythic
Not with that attitude
tender pond
thats not what you said earlier
lusty grotto
being a parent does not automatically mean youre terrible
round pendant
I'm sure I could find 19 other people to prog mythic with if I really tried
but it's a hassle
not flexible at all
also if I consider including my friends I actively play with, it becomes even harder
The only option is making a guild and trying to recruit which is borderline impossible
sharp gale
But in mythic 10 man world, 30 man heroic/normal is deleted right ?
frosty mango
IMO mythic should be cosmetic only
dusky canopy
being a parent does not automatically mean youre terrible
The point was time is limited not skill/ability
frosty mango
Max gear rewards at heroic
solid sun
thats not what you said earlier
It is. Joining some community to find ten other people each week is pugging imo.
lusty grotto
the barrier for entry to mythic raiding should be... drumroll, being an okay player
frosty mango
Make mythic cosmetic/titles
lusty grotto
not, massive and constant recruitment
not fucking everyone over on vaults due to lockouts
round pendant
damn nim we agree on something
lusty grotto
not being unable to pug slots because of lockouts
round pendant
this is history in the making
tender pond
It is. Joining some community to find ten other people each week is pugging imo.
No thats not what i said. There are communities that essentially work like guilds in how they do raid. there's a stable roster than you can personally join. You can also recruit people to bolster your current 10man raidgroup.
lusty grotto
none of those have anything to do with being dad (or mom) gamers
sorry, i was continuing my points heh
lusty grotto
The point was time is limited not skill/ability
bro you raid log
LOL
time commitment isnt really a thing anymore
dusky canopy
Again it’s not about being bad or good
It’s about limited time
lusty grotto
as long as you make the agreed schedule, of course
but the benefit with a 10m is... you can probably not even have a static schedule
dusky canopy
I average about 12 hours a week 6 in raid 6 on weekends
round pendant
I mean a shit ton of people doing even 13s I'd say are good enough to play in a myth prog guild
but there's a reason 99% of them don't
dusky canopy
Sometimes I hit 20 hours on a lazy weekend with things to do in game
solid sun
No thats not what i said. There are communities that essentially work like guild...
Yeah, so I can’t do it. I’m not going to go through all this to establish a 20 person roster when the whole point is that my 10m group wants to raid. Not become a 20m group or a revolving door of 20 people
frosty mango
Mythic raid has a pretty hearty curve
lusty grotto
but are those things specifically for raid? cause i havent done raid comp specific things for... a long ass time
tender pond
Yeah, so I can’t do it. I’m not going to go through all this to establish a 20 p...
I mean that is just on your then im ngl
frosty mango
Like the first 3 bosses are not remotely as hard as the last 5
tender pond
I hate to say it like that
solid sun
No, it’s a deficiency of the content
dusky canopy
I think it’s very reasonable to expect 6 hours of commitment per week* to get the best gear in the game
round pendant
I mean we were talking about how we'd like mythic to be more accessible and how 10m would enable that
frosty mango
When people say “mythic”’raider I think they conflate that with CE raiding
round pendant
so yeah it's on us that we don't just join guilds/premades
frosty mango
But it’s entirely possible to get into mythic while both pugging and not committing a bunch of time
lusty grotto
When people say “mythic”’raider I think they conflate that with CE raiding
pretty much
solid sun
It’s absolutely wild to me to tell someone who wants a 10m mythic raid that they should just become a 20m raid instead and it’s on them if they don’t
lusty grotto
I think it’s very reasonable to expect 6 hours of commitment per week* to get th...
sure, but dad (and mom) gamers can do that
sharp gale
I think it’s very reasonable to expect 6 hours of commitment per week* to get th...
I don’t think most mythic raiders raid for gear (small tangent sry)
lusty grotto
i think he means keys
dusky canopy
You’re too focused on me using parent as an example of why a persons time is being limited
frosty mango
I don’t think most mythic raiders raid for gear (small tangent sry)
You must not do much mythic raiding because that’s all most clowns care about
dusky canopy
That is not the point
The point is time is limited for X reason
That was my example
frosty mango
If you got a non gear driven guild, don’t leave it lol
lusty grotto
right, and grabbing 10 people shortens the time investment
sharp gale
Yes sry brewjj that’s why (small tangent, is that an correct english expression)
frosty mango
How about 8 man raiding
lusty grotto
removing the outdated lockout also reduces the time investment
frosty mango
2/2/4
dusky canopy
Maybe I have a small niche mind set but I specifically mythic raid because I want the gear from it
sharp gale
I cannot start to imagine how the boss would work with 10 man in mind
frosty mango
They same way they do with 20
dusky canopy
I would not commit two nights a week to mythic raiding if I could get max ilvl from dungeons at the same pace as mythic raiding (assuming equal power)
lusty grotto
8 man is fine, but if we're looking for a happy medium for the amount of specs in the game, 10 man is preferable
dusky canopy
1 mythic item a week is dogshit when half the time it’s a random shit piece and you take a socket
frosty mango
I would not commit two nights a week to mythic raiding if I could get max ilvl f...
That’s why I said mythic should be cosmetic
dusky canopy
I actually am on board with that
I have expressed agreement for that idea in the past
frosty mango
Most people raid to progress player power - if you made mythic all sick mogs and titles it would both enhance the prestige and remove the fomo
dusky canopy
Yep agreed
sharp gale
Maybe I have a small niche mind set but I specifically mythic raid because I wan...
Maybe I’m the niche, I raid for the prog, not for the loot / I can delete my char when cleared, I didn’t roll on ansurek items as exemple
frosty mango
The core gameplay loop of wow is player (gear) progression so it’s just natural that players would be focused on that
lusty grotto
i like progging, but only if the end goal is CE, if its not then i care about loot
dusky canopy
I would like to see heroic item level being the cap personally
round pendant
It’s absolutely wild to me to tell someone who wants a 10m mythic raid that they...
Yeah I mean, all we want at the end of day is something that's not as easy as heroic but doesn't require getting 20 fucking people together
lusty grotto
even with the latter... i enjoy progging up to a certain point
dusky canopy
But that’s a different topic all together
sharp gale
On ansurek* I rolled and won the ring, but I didn’t take it bc I knew I would not play my war in undermine (I play my war rn lol)
round pendant
Imo Normal should become Heroic, Heroic should become Mythic and Mythic should become some extra-hard thing RWF guilds do for clout
no extra ilvl for Mythic
and LFR should be deleted
tender pond
It’s absolutely wild to me to tell someone who wants a 10m mythic raid that they...
I'm a little gatekeepy in my thought process but bear with me rq - i dont think content needs this crazily significant adjusting when it has been successful in it's current iteration. There are quality of life things you can implement, sure, but the current iteration of 20man raiding has a shitton of benefits and game design associated with the set raid size. Making that more flexible is a gigantic risk, in many many ways.
When I see someone who isn't willing to take that step to get into 20man raiding, yet wants to do the actual raid on that difficulty, it baffles me. You can't just expect the content to adjust this drastically to conform to your current group. Complaining also isn't a very smart option here man. That's why i said what i said earlier
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
I'm a little gatekeepy in my thought process but bear with me rq - i dont think ...
absolutely 100% disagree with everything
tender pond
thats okay
sharp gale
The core gameplay loop of wow is player (gear) progression so it’s just natural ...
My loop is : prepare to kill the last bosses of the raid, they die, prepare for the next season
tender pond
im open for criticism in my thought process to expand my thinking
coarse latch
do we always want to demolish inside of avatar? And does the talent reducing the cd of avatar (forgot name sorry) basically make the cd the same 45 sec of demolish so that we can always use them togethor?
tender pond
demolish isnt a 45 second cooldown
lusty grotto
im open for criticism in my thought process to expand my thinking
first of all, yes youre gatekeeping
knotty idol
do we always want to demolish inside of avatar? And does the talent reducing the...
Hey buddy this is the 10 man mythic channel take ur prot warr questions elsewhere
lusty grotto
the last paragraph is basically gatekeeping
second of all, if there was no change in shaking the foundation of raiding, WoW raiding woudnt exist
we went from EQ1's 80 man raids
to... gasp 40
and then back down to 20
tender pond
fair
lusty grotto
its beneficial to keep up with the times
people play games they can get in and out, so having friction in the way is bad
frosty mango
do we always want to demolish inside of avatar? And does the talent reducing the...
Demolish will usually align roughly with avatar and demo
lusty grotto
for something that you just cant simply log in, get in, and out
you want as little friction as possible
it would be beneficial to both
round pendant
first of all, yes youre gatekeeping
gatekeeping is good
frosty mango
You do not want to hold it for long but depending on the scenario yes sometimes you will hold demolish to put it inside of a buff window
round pendant
but not in this instance
mighty valley
do we always want to demolish inside of avatar? And does the talent reducing the...
rage gen isn't consistent so it won't always line up perfectly. generally we'll wait a few seconds if avatar is up soon but if it's gonna be a while just send demolish. can also use a shield wall charge to get avatar if you can spare it
tender pond
I dont disagree that keeping up with the times is good, but how you implement it is incredibly delicate. Changing the mythic raid size to be flexible down to 10man makes mythic raid design incredibly difficult
sharp gale
It might be good in this instance
robust crag
If Avatar is not up, you can always hit shield wall with the avatar talent 👀
lusty grotto
I dont disagree that keeping up with the times is good, but how you implement it...
youre misunderstanding then
sharp gale
Bc maybe the current state of fun in mythic raiding is bc it is designed around 20 man
lusty grotto
i mentioned we went from 80m (72 actually) in EQ1 to 40m in WoW, to 20m in WoW for a reason
as in
kill 20m
sharp gale
And if you move out, it’s risky
coarse latch
alright thanks 😄
lusty grotto
that way you design fights for 10m
tender pond
and i think thats really bad for the raid design
lusty grotto
why would it be bad
tender pond
or are you saying it shouldnt be flexible and it should be set 10man?
sharp gale
i mentioned we went from 80m (72 actually) in EQ1 to 40m in WoW, to 20m in WoW f...
Yes so, EQ is not Wow, 40 m classic is not 20 m retail mythic
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
in what way
lusty grotto
you already do
frosty mango
you would rip classes based on balance
Aug says hello
round pendant
The fact is only a minority of guilds can get 20 good enough members together to even attempt Mythic
lusty grotto
let me remind you that having 10m groups also means there will be a lot more raid teams available
tender pond
you already do
so you want to make it even worse?
lusty grotto
more tank spots
frosty mango
you would rip classes based on balance
Tbh I think it would be the opposite
lusty grotto
more spots in general
sharp gale
For the actual number of raid man, I would just number of classes rn + 1
round pendant
I think Mythic should be more accessible to attempt (10 man, less dumb lockouts) and just be hard enough that it's still prestigious
tender pond
i mean 10man raiding would create more tanks, i suppose thats true
frosty mango
10 man mythic would drive tank requirements up and dps requirements down
lusty grotto
i wouldnt change the difficulty, it should be equivalent to what we have
agreed Roid
round pendant
I'm just saying the logistic difficulties just feel like a kind of artificial barrier
round cliff
i wouldnt change the difficulty, it should be equivalent to what we have
mythic raid mechanics are easy up until like the last 3
frosty mango
And encounters would be balanced around two healers
round cliff
the hard part is literally getting 20 people to not sniff glue 😭
lusty grotto
the spec argument is straight from Max, he literally mentions it every time someone suggests 10m
and even then he agrees 10m would be a good thing
sharp gale
And encounters would be balanced around two healers
And on 1 healer if mechs on the other one
round cliff
and even then he agrees 10m would be a good thing
well if blizz listens to max like wowhead comments suggest that means we're getting 10m!
frosty mango
You have 6 dps slots in a 10 man raid, compared to like 14 now
lusty grotto
now... let me be clear
sharp gale
But I think you all are baited by the number 10
frosty mango
So yes you would not have full representation in a given group, but you would have more groups accessible
So the net result imo would be more people raiding
lusty grotto
if raiding was both 10m AND infinitely scaling... then the meta game would be fucking insane
but its not infinitely scaling
sharp gale
You can start at 15 man raiding your discussion I think
tender pond
10m would require so many class changes as well
frosty mango
LFG R+ LoU +16 5400 IO discord required
frosty mango
they'd have to change a lot
And that’s ok
lusty grotto
name some
lusty grotto
raid buffs = good, redesign them, hell better yet put scrolls back in, that will make more that one pop of the game happy
sharp gale
cc hasnt been relevant in more than 1 fight per tier in like 15 years
Yes so?
tender pond
cc hasnt been relevant in more than 1 fight per tier in like 15 years
one fight is enough to sway group setups
which may yield problems
lusty grotto
design less fights with grip being mandatory and/or make a grip toy or some bullshit
tender pond
its not irrelevant enough to excuse keepin current class CC designs the same
sharp gale
You want it on that fight, so you want one
frosty mango
one fight is enough to sway group setups
You’re trying to squeeze the discussion though a narrow lens
tender pond
hardly so
round cliff
thats not necessarily a bad thing w/ how blizz wants us all to have alts
frosty mango
Requiring certain utility is shit encounter design
lusty grotto
youre looking at this with the current iteration of the raid in mind
of course shit has to change, but not drastically even
frosty mango
If something is required in an encounter, it should be a part of the encounter
sharp gale
That’s what I said, no one here can tell how a 10 man designed boss looks like
frosty mango
They learned that in og naxx with instructor
lusty grotto
right
tender pond
That’s what I said, no one here can tell how a 10 man designed boss looks like
final fantasy has 10man or 8man or something no?
lusty grotto
its not the same
sharp gale
final fantasy has 10man or 8man or something no?
Nop can’t take ff
solid sun
Making whatever changes would be necessary, if any are necessary, still seems like a better route to future success if it’s coupled with a lower barrier of entry for the content
lusty grotto
you cant compare XIV to WoW
sharp gale
Gameplay vastly different
frosty mango
It has 8 man groups but you can’t relate the two because the engines are vastly different
potent basin
Is void ritual really bis??
lusty grotto
and at least 3 of us here play it -- FFXIV, that is
frosty mango
Is void ritual really bis??
It really truly is
tender pond
It has 8 man groups but you can’t relate the two because the engines are vastly ...
thats true
potent basin
It really truly is
For all content?
lusty grotto
yes for all content
sharp gale
And when I played in ShB raid in ff = only ST
lusty grotto
otherwise it wouldnt be my nickname
sharp gale
(They are still fun)
frosty mango
i miss it so much
Good news, you can play it right now
frosty mango
It won’t be optimal but if you just uninstall details and turn off chat you’ll never know
sharp gale
i miss twilight dev, bros
I play twilight dev
frosty mango
round cliff
its not the same if its not optimal!
the whole point is that twilight dev pops and i see it do a fuckton of dam
if it hits for 2 dam instead
not the same
potent basin
yes for all content
Okay thank you I thought it was collapsing because it simmed the highest
sharp gale
Was it optimal back then ? Didn’t we play just haste + vers
lusty grotto
didnt i talk about that last night
we didnt play TD in high keys
so yeah not optimal
that was for the weekly run, at best
thorn patio
I play twilight dev
I also play twilight dev. It simmed the highest for me and also I just like when it procs on pull for the extra threat
mild ore
im a meta slave
Just go for it and enjoy the cool animations, bring back 8.3 memories (even if it does 0 damage) u wont notice 1% less dps
sharp gale
Yes my memory is not failing, thx (I went to sleep)
round cliff
we didnt play TD in high keys
i wonder if brm did then
one of the tanks i played did, and i played brm at the time
sharp gale
I also play twilight dev. It simmed the highest for me and also I just like when...
It sims 0.1 % loss in ST on my fury, so I’m TD on mug
lusty grotto
i wonder if brm did then
no
round pendant
god if blizz keep cooking with dungeons like they did with floodgate
midnight s1 gonna be a banger?
solid sun
30 fire mages
sharp gale
This tier is banger so I wouldn’t doubt they can do the same
round cliff
its wild how they did a whole ass tuning pass on racial abilities and they just LEAVE meld and stoneform
idc that my maghar racial gives me more stats now!
round cliff
make bitter immunity the maghar racial
sharp gale
That’s what I thought, if butter immunity was not doggo mmmmh
I will not change that autocorrect
polar patio
make apm great again
round pendant
what if bitter immunity was baseline but the talent reduced the cd to 2 minutes
tender pond
It'd be fine if bitter immunity was baseline
do you like the button?
feels hella underwhelming to me
round pendant
no I don't like the button
because it costs a talent point
It'd be useful in a few places in M+ otherwise
sharp gale
Last stand cost a talent point
lusty grotto
at this point they should just make racials dungeon picks simialr to pvp talents
and then remove bitter immunity altoghether if anything
but thats never gonna happen lol
round pendant
Last stand cost a talent point
it's a forced pick so
lusty grotto
as long as it brings in a little extra cash
sharp gale
Delete racials and make every classes on every races minus the 2 fancy ones
sharp gale
it's a forced pick so
So what if you were forced to pick bitter immunity ?
To path down
round pendant
Then it wouldn't "cost" a talent point
because it's forced
it's effectively baseline
and I would use the button!
sharp gale
^
I wouldn’t say anger management is not baseline in a similar thinking
And if you don’t like the effective baseline of bitter immunity it’s just you don’t like the button (I don’t)
They could just add impeding victory dispell talent
void girder
just like us
BDK played twilight x7 at least I did as a top 50 bdk back then.
mighty valley
it's hard to dislike, it's either harmless or periodically a useful dispel
sharp gale
Not all dispels obviously
mighty valley
just comes up rarely enough to never be worth a point as it stands
round pendant
I wonder if it could be worth picking in priory
lusty grotto
BDK played twilight x7 at least I did as a top 50 bdk back then.
i stand corrected
void girder
Prot war was meta then tho. So not sure what they used.
nocturne spindle
im trying to think of anything it dispells this season
lusty grotto
probably makes sense considering what killed you was magic damage and ams is a thing
nocturne spindle
besides affix
lusty grotto
Prot war was meta then tho. So not sure what they used.
versatile
ive been playing prot since vanilla, trust
sharp gale
I was top 50 EU hunter but had 5-6 key lvl difference with top
void girder
BDK had threatened issues as well back then and TD helped on big pulls haha
mighty valley
bfa s4 is what kicked the "do i have enough vers to tank" era into high gear
round pendant
I'm glad I skipped that
void girder
As long as you didn’t go 100-0 didn’t matter BDK never needed a healer.
lusty grotto
yeah, we're aware
sharp gale
bfa s4 is what kicked the "do i have enough vers to tank" era into high gear
You know how often « you don’t stack vers in high keys since BFA, they just sim damage vers »
In every casual guilds
void girder
Had my team Hpally sac me in a ML 25 back then and auto die lol
ML was way scarier back then
The rock throw after the first boss would 1 shot BDKs if 2 got off.
sharp gale
Yes because you could go beyond the limit with corruptions
lusty grotto
it would 2 shot us as well... in BFA s1, but we dont talk about s1
void girder
Defiantly a Prot warrior enjoyer now. Such high mobility
solid sun
It’s kinda interesting seeing the different takes about coming wow changes by prominent members of the community
void girder
It’s kinda interesting seeing the different takes about coming wow changes by pr...
Kinda ass if they take away our WAs
It’s nice tracking your healer and dps cds for pulls
lusty grotto
sharp gale
Idc, I play 1-2 char with blizz cd manager to see the patch I can delete my WA
solid sun
I have no strong opinions. Generally I think I agree with Ion, I’ll provide feedback when the new stuff is here
My only really strong opinion atm is that baked potatoes are better when smoked turkey is put on top of them
mighty valley
i'll be fine with the UI changes if they actually succeed at the raid/dungeon design changes they're talking about to support them
sharp gale
They should asap add ressources to the manager, bc holy charges on nameplates are criminal
lusty grotto
i said my piece, which mostly aligns with what Harrow is saying
but that topic has been long over
frosty mango
I wonder what they’re gonna do with stats next tier
lusty grotto
where the prot questions, im bored
mighty valley
if removing kick tracking forces them to finally come up with skill/coordination challenges that aren't interrupts, i'm all about it
sharp gale
Thane>Col after the nerfs ?
frosty mango
where the prot questions, im bored
How do you think they will handle tank scaling next two seasons
lusty grotto
Thane>Col after the nerfs ?
void girder
if removing kick tracking forces them to finally come up with skill/coordination...
True. Or not require a WA package to kill mythic bosses
frosty mango
We won’t need more haste and we will see enough crit to push parry up to dumb levels
unborn island
I did a 12 DFC during my lunchtime for some easy crests
frosty mango
So what will they do to combat that?
unborn island
Disconnected during the first boss for maybe 30-40 seconds
frosty mango
Give us your thoughts nim
lusty grotto
How do you think they will handle tank scaling next two seasons
they are stat squishing in midnight
so i dont think it'll matter
unborn island
Come back, I'm somehow still alive and still have aggro
frosty mango
they are stat squishing in midnight
But what about season 4 when we have 50% parry natty
sharp gale
100% stat squish yep
unborn island
How iss that possible
void girder
The standard 1 year Season 3
frosty mango
Ok what about season 3 when we have 50% parry natty
unborn island
Am I just so pro I can tank a 12 without even being online? I think that's the only logical conclusion
dusky canopy
frosty mango
What about when we get so much haste our shield swing breaks the sound barrier and all the mobs instantly die
solid sun
I wanna try the execute build tonight in raid but I’m afraid I’ll accidentally myself
frosty mango
Shield Boom
sharp gale
Ok what about season 3 when we have 50% parry natty
But….if I had 5 % more vers 
lusty grotto
What about when we get so much haste our shield swing breaks the sound barrier a...
this is a good question, that's when we leave for WoW2
since we've trascended space and time
frosty mango
What would happen if I stacked nothing but mastery and vers
Would I be a defensive god?
lusty grotto
you get banned from Skyhold
sharp gale
I have 15 k mastery rn as prot
lusty grotto
ill be made mod specifically to ban that situation
and i will have a good time doing it
sharp gale
4 k crit loser here
sharp gale
But I switched my ring to crit/haste again, maybe it is better now
lusty grotto
im doing alright
sharp gale
And I finally have my crafted shield to 681
frosty mango
im doing alright
Looks pretty close to mine
frosty mango
You have more masterly
solid sun
im doing alright
We want ratings not percents
dusky canopy
I’m going to gear an alt warrior and only equip high vers low haste gear
Zero crit or mastery allowed on items
lusty grotto
We want ratings not percents
frosty mango
I’m going to gear an alt warrior and only equip high vers low haste gear
Vers mast imo
sharp gale
I had the glorious 19 19 but we recruited a monk tank happened
frosty mango
I’m 682 just gotta grind all day
sharp gale
683.3 here
lusty grotto
somber ibex
myth track tome/mud or heroic bombsuit?
frosty mango
myth track tome/mud or heroic bombsuit?
Depends on the content you’re doing
somber ibex
m+
frosty mango
Yes, what level
dusky canopy
My trinkets are holding me back I’m 681 with these 3 items, not myth track
671 jastor
671 funhouse lens
671 eye
somber ibex
got 15resi, tryna push
frosty mango
got 15resi, tryna push
IMO bomb suit if you don’t raid, tome if you do
lusty grotto
My trinkets are holding me back I’m 681 with these 3 items, not myth track
671 j...
same except no jastor
frosty mango
Mud is good but only for two ish dungeons
lusty grotto
holding out for that 1ab kill will probably bite me in the ass
somber ibex
I have myth tome, but im wondering what I should use my chips on
solid sun
You aren’t even close dude
dusky canopy
Worth waiting unless you’ll have two purchases by the time you kill
somber ibex
aight, so bombsuit then
solid sun
The patience when you’re still like two bosses away or whatever is impressive
lusty grotto
and i say that with my group in mind
sharp gale
sprocket is easier than stix
For the tank 100% true
lusty grotto
it is for our comp trust
12 melee comps on stix is... basically having a lego carpet
lusty grotto
sure but progging is fun
sharp gale
You don’t prog a lot oab now/ you skip 2 sets
sharp gale
Funny but m oab might be more pug friendly than sprocket
lusty grotto
i know my current's group weaknesses trust me that sprocket is easier, we're battle hardened from M Rashok
fucking couldnt even spell Rashok
rancid tiger
Yes
lusty grotto
hmm interesting
nocturne spindle
than gally yea
H gally is literally N gally with one tank mechanic
its so brain off
lusty grotto
we're talking about Myth
rancid tiger
What?
nocturne spindle
How many of the m bosses do you think are easier than h gally
nani
nocturne spindle
gally is one of those
all the mechanics can be one guyed type fights
so it feels easier to me cause the idiots just kind of punch boss and your fine
heroic wise
lusty grotto
im gonna be honest
i dont think myth cauldron is easier than heroic gally
people fuck up monke side way too much
sharp gale
heroic wise
It’s 5 guyed fight in m, so you get the idea
lusty grotto
first 4
sharp gale
Ansurek is one of the hardest hc last boss
lusty grotto
well, i suppose rashanon might actually be slightly on pace with H Ansurek
just because of trolling and webs
should be slightly easier though, since it doesnt have different phases
nocturne spindle
ansurek was hard because it was a random one guy type fight
so the single idiot killed you alot
lusty grotto
why do you keep saying one guy
mighty valley
h ansurek was funny, one of those "one tight phase everyone has to get good at, then the rest free" kinda fights
lusty grotto
thats not the definition of one guy
nocturne spindle
idk what the correct term would be
sharp gale
- dead bodies made you wipe before they nerfed it
nocturne spindle
where one person can wipe everything messing up the mechanic
lusty grotto
1guy is when the guy comes in with a stupid statement and has everyone correct him in twitch chat or discord
sharp gale
It is bosses where 1 or few people can carry 99% of the mechanics
nocturne spindle
it gets the point across man i unno
mighty valley
yeah, do you mean... you can load all responsibility onto one person, or a fight where if the one sleepy guy gets picked for the mechanic you're fucked
sharp gale
Yeah to me, it’s when you can pug the boss (your group of 3-5 friends can handle everything, the rest can zoom the boss)
lusty grotto
i would call the latter the good ole Mata Muram "CLICK THE FUCKING MASK"
i miss Ikari, he would get that one
nocturne spindle
well gally was a one person can do all the responsibilty stuff and everyone else zug zugs, ansurek was the opposite where one person whos an idiot steps out of line and kills the raid
one guy and anti one guy
🙂
sharp gale
That’s exactly how I understand it
1 Guy = he carry all responsibility = puggable
(You choose the 1 guy ofc)
solid sun
Can I be the one guy even if I’m a tank
sharp gale
On gally hc yes
lusty grotto
smh twisting the web definition of 1guy
sharp gale
othertank has boss and you run bomb
Even with the boss
Boss movement don’t matter at this timing
nocturne spindle
Even with the boss
probably never actually tried but i trust chu
mighty valley
smh twisting the web definition of 1guy
i think the closest thing to one-guying that happens in raids is when people get so fixated on berating the one guy who fucked up the previous pull that all focus is lost
lusty grotto
yeah i guess
sharp gale
smh twisting the web definition of 1guy
An expression can have multiple meanings with context
Bc I know 1 guyed is close/similar to « ragebaited » on Reddit
solid sun
Now for our next conversation
lusty grotto
to be fair
sharp gale
my fury/prot gear(i managed to lower mastery as prot)
lusty grotto
1guy can fit if its the wiper like Harrow says
but also because its most def disrupting the flow of the fight itself
i just doint see it as being the persont hat does all mechs though
thats just a carrier
sharp gale
solo wipe is more what i use for that
lusty grotto
and/or assigned carrier
lusty grotto
solo wipe is more what i use for that
yeah that makes sense
solid sun
Is it bad etiquette for me to take over raid leading if the raid leader gets super quiet and doesn’t seem to know what to say
sharp gale
it is bad only if you talk over him or ppl say something about it
dusky canopy
Not at all in my opinion unless specifically asked not too
lusty grotto
in EQ1 there was one fight that started the whole thing, it was Mata Muram, and all you had to do was look for an emote that the boss was "gazing at you", and open your bags (or bind) a mask that you got at the start of the fight
if you didnt click it
dusky canopy
I make coms all the time when no one else is alerting people of something that needs to happen
lusty grotto
it was a total and complete wipe, as in everyone just got 1 shot
mighty valley
Is it bad etiquette for me to take over raid leading if the raid leader gets sup...
is this a person you know
sharp gale
i made calls for balls on stix bc rl was tanking the boss
dusky canopy
Like OAB for example I always com to switch to one of the kill adds otherwise we just don’t kill it in time for the coin dunk fairly often
mighty valley
it's one of those things where some people have good judgment on when to hop in and say something and some people don't
and if too many people with bad judgment start piping up... it Sucks Ass (technical term)
dusky canopy
The worst thing you can do is make a bad comm and cause wipes
Don’t speak up unless you know for a fact you’re correct
sharp gale
yes or comm fiesta
lusty grotto
Rhino just start with "can i suggest something" between pulls
and then gravitate to "i can call out certain stuff"
sharp gale
^
swift zenith
I'm looking at the opener from https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/rotation-cooldowns-pve-tank:
- Cast Ravager as you start combat.
- Cast Charge to get into melee range.
- Avatar before you are in melee range.
- Cast Taunt, and Shield Block before you are in melee range.
- Cast Thunderous Roar.
- Demoralizing Shout once you are in melee range.
Any tips for casting this faster? This is 6 spells in like 500 ms how do I do that?
mighty valley
in general i'd let the wipe happen and then figure out how the rl wants help with calls, yeah
nocturne spindle
you dont really need to taunt
lusty grotto
theres no situation where you will do that opener except for on raid fights
sharp gale
even on raid fight i do my m+ opener
dusky canopy
I guarantee you if you simply mention that you’re willing to help out your “raid lead” will appreciate it. Most people just get stuck with that role and don’t really want it
nocturne spindle
you can use my macro and everyone will hate us together 🙂
then its just ravager charge macro
nocturne spindle
#showtooltip Demoralizing Shout
/use 13
/cast Avatar
/cast Demoralizing Shout
/cast shield block
🙂
lusty grotto
the one opener you will most likely do is:
- Charge
- Avatar while travelling from charge
- SB
- Shield Slam
- Revenge
- Demo Shout
- Demolish
- can either use Troar and/or Ravager at this point, but you will most likely be doing TRoar to gather with Tclap
this is for keys of course
lusty grotto
why would you demolish before demo
sharp gale
judge me
lusty grotto
unless i just misread your unedited order
i mean i didnt readjust the order i just had an underscore instead of a bullet point
mighty valley
i'd just say keep your binds for charge, avatar, and sb simple to press since you do often end up having to mash them together
nocturne spindle
just me being crazy then
dusky canopy
Mad scientist opener right there
swift zenith
ok so macros and only cast what you need is the answer
and better keybindings maybe
nocturne spindle
10/10 macro
lusty grotto
press your buttons
nocturne spindle
make sure you use it near the enemy on the charge in though
round pendant
macros bad
nocturne spindle
or demo shout wont hit
swift zenith
But I can make one like Ravager > Charge is a good one right?
round pendant
unless it's ip+ss
lusty grotto
-10 / 10 macro more like it
sharp gale
this is fine
i know it is fine and doesn't matter, i was 11th world sprocket with punish + enduring defense on this
lusty grotto
But I can make one like Ravager > Charge is a good one right?
no
nocturne spindle
ravager charge is the thing you have the most time in between
lusty grotto
you want ravager to hit mobs for rage, not to be placing it anywhere
nocturne spindle
ravager can be like a whole half a second before charge
mighty valley
you can in theory make macros that combine things you press together frequently, but you'd still need separate binds for each ability on its own, and in the end it's usually easier to just not bother with macros and instead make sure your binds are in smart places so you can press them together
swift zenith
wait why Ravager than Avatar in the AOE prio
Cast Ravager as you start combat.
Cast Charge to get into melee range.
Avatar before you are in melee range.
lusty grotto
cause you want all swings from it to be buffed
but you dont actually do that in practice
except for raid/boss fights
mighty valley
ravager's also the only thing we can throw from range and its damage is delayed, so it saves a GCD once you're in melee range
lusty grotto
avatar and demo shout damage buffs (and demolish) are dynamic, so they will apply to ravager after the fact
nocturne spindle
yea ravager just takes a bit to actually hit anything
so you can have it on the floor as your going in
sharp gale
if you want to do damage, the classical
lusty grotto
wait why Ravager than Avatar in the AOE prio
did you read the opener i posted?
swift zenith
oh ok I didn't know Avatar can buff Ravager if Ravager is cast first
nocturne spindle
everything we have is dynamic buff wise
lusty grotto
all class damage buffs are dynamic
sharp gale
everything we have is dynamic buff wise
MOP CLASSIC HYPE
swift zenith
did you read the opener i posted?
i made a note of it now
sharp gale
3 dungeons left for enterprising healer 
coarse latch
3 dungeons left for enterprising healer <:deadge:900279927138578432>
what spec?
sharp gale
on rdruid
sharp gale
i don't like casts yes
coarse latch
i don't like casts yes
😛
sharp gale
coarse latch
rdruid is fun for me bc cat weaving
echo egret
Has anyone done a 5-mask run as prot so far ?
sharp gale
i took it from a friend idk what build it is
warm plinth
Has anyone done a 5-mask run as prot so far ?
Im sure they have
undone beacon
on rdruid
this is what im gonna end up doing, i gotta get me that title
Bear is 680 so, swapping to rdruid should be able to just power through
warm plinth
Tanks actually have it very easy due to the health scaling for tanks
echo egret
Tanks actually have it very easy due to the health scaling for tanks
My few attempts are severely limited with half a sanity bar and the length of fights, when you have more than double the number of mobs.
coarse latch
i took it from a friend idk what build it is
well your friend didnt lead you astray haha. people really like using abundance to machine gun regrowths out
sharp gale
Bear is 680 so, swapping to rdruid should be able to just power through
yeah just over hot, keep convoke for crisis, and flourish for group damage
undone beacon
Seems easy enough
dusky canopy
Has anyone done a 5-mask run as prot so far ?
Yeah Tmy has been doing it
Says it’s very easy
undone beacon
Also a tangent but it looks like Bears actually really like Gushing Wound (for ST at least) because it procs Galactic Guardian for more moonfires for some reason
sharp gale
Seems easy enough
don't bother cat form weaving in 10s just heal and afk if you really don't want to be involved in melee
in S1 i didn't have kick binded when i learned
warm plinth
My few attempts are severely limited with half a sanity bar and the length of fi...
What route are you using
coarse latch
Seems easy enough
https://questionablyepic.com/resto-druid/mythicplus
if you want to look at a guide. it is written by voulk - who also writes the wowhead guide - but this is just on his own site
round pendant
I gotta gain another 10 ilvls or so before I can get enterprising healer
I should just main druid for future seasons
undone beacon
healing is for freakin nerds
sharp gale
Just over ramp and it will fine lel
dusky canopy
I’ve tried healing on different occasions I simply just do not enjoy it
round pendant
I mean tanks do more nerd shit than healers
dusky canopy
Glad others do
round pendant
coming up with/looking up routes
figuring out defensive timings for certain bosses
nerd shit
round pendant
I’ve tried healing on different occasions I simply just do not enjoy it
This season is pretty good for healing I think
It's not as extremely punishing as before but still gets the blood pumpin
sharp gale
I’ve tried healing on different occasions I simply just do not enjoy it
Yeah it is just to chill and afk for a key / talk with boys, but I enjoy the rare spike of apm
coarse latch
for me i really enjoy the micromanagement of healing. i enjoy that my role is important but not at a macro level like a tank. i also like not having a set rotation - just more of a playstyle that is reactive and you just have to know what buttons to press.
Following rotations and being important on a macro level is definitley the most difficult part for me learning tanking
sharp gale
Yep like how you gonna heal 2 targets debuffs (regular mechanic) in those 4-5 sec, I like the improv
(I just over ramp on everyone)
coarse latch
lol with 10 stacks of abundance out and a flourish you can blast healing
sharp gale
I have the first boss of cinderbrew in mind, the 2 debuff he puts on ppl
just ramp on 4 non-tanks and spam regrowth on the two
If it’s on me I just spam on 1 and I use me def cd
Or I bark 1 and just heal the other
coarse latch
Yeah your druid talents give you massive increased healing on yourself
frosty mango
lol with 10 stacks of abundance out and a flourish you can blast healing
Only issue is all you got is throughput
Rdruid has like no burst
But if you gotta just crank hps over a wide area Druid is king
sharp gale
Im clueless on that so I can’t comment, I don’t do raid as healer
frosty mango
I have the first boss of cinderbrew in mind, the 2 debuff he puts on ppl
Imo incorrect line of thinking
The player getting the debuff should be using defensives
If you need to tunnel someone with the debuff they’re not playing right
That being said yes it’s not uncommon for people to just ignore it and expect you to keep them alive lol
coarse latch
Only issue is all you got is throughput
Yeah it all adds up though if people are in your photosynthesis, you have your Grove guardians out, you can Swift mend regrowth for a nice spot heal, and then wild grow right as damage comes out
sharp gale
Imo incorrect line of thinking
Idk it seemed logic to me on situations I can’t tell who will get what, to ramp on the possible targets before the event
frosty mango
Idk it seemed logic to me on situations I can’t tell who will get what, to ramp ...
Makes sense on Druid
I hit a new personal best on heroic gally last night on monk, 3.3m
Fists of fury
coarse latch
Fists of fury
jagged pier
well 5 masks took me all too long but its done
lusty grotto
sharp gale
Gg
lusty grotto
i cant wait until 8 masks and just be like "eh, maybe ill wait for hourglass shit"
next week lmao
jagged pier
need 2k more for the mount
lusty grotto
theres a couple im sure most of us have from BFA anyway
jagged pier
theres a new void serpent thing
sharp gale
I bought some enchants to test them on mug so I’m far from the mount
sharp gale
Next week with quadruple time in them + 8 masks it will go quick to farm 40 k
lusty grotto
solid sun
The execute build on wowhead isn’t like a “you’re griefing your healers” type thing is it
lusty grotto
well it depends on masks, cause they can just put some ass garbage or have eyes spawn on you
lusty grotto
sharp gale
On sprocket I tried it, but was not really feeling it bc it doesn’t matter that I do more damage
sharp gale
im still 95 parsing with normal raid build
solid sun
For context, im helping a group try to get aotc and im really losing interest
jagged pier
if they are struggling to get aotc now
solid sun
Was considering swapping to the execute build and seeing how much damage I can do
jagged pier
u are not going to run exectue build
sharp gale
Don’t take execute build in that scenario
paper crypt
I can't seem to tank higher than a 7 or 8 mythic+ depending on the dungeon. I don't think it's my gear because I'm at 665 gearscore and 30% haste. Any tool I can use to figure out what I'm doing wrong? Tanking isn't as simple as just looking at my quick sim and repeating the sisyphean task of being as good as the sim until I get close enough
sharp gale
Bc it doesn’t last enough / you will rely only on sudden death
pallid quiver
I can't seem to tank higher than a 7 or 8 mythic+ depending on the dungeon. I do...
A lot of things could be going wrong. Without a log, maybe even a vod, we can't really give much advice
Other than stop casts, press your buttons, press your defensives before damage comes in
paper crypt
How do I get a log? I have details! Does that do it?
pallid quiver
How do I get a log? I have details! Does that do it?
Jakey has a description here
lusty grotto
also make sure you dont get hit in your backside
lusty grotto
since you cant block, behind
oh wow an actual
useful
article
from archon
holy i cant believe it
pallid quiver
Also, you could even be running into your DPS/Heals just constantly killing themselves, costing too much time to ever clear
sharp gale
Well it’s their app tutorial, I would expect it
pallid quiver
there's nothing you can do if a DPS jumps off a cliff 84 times in the dungo
jagged pier
i should really do another video but it gave enough info to you guys to look at logs so i dont have to anymore 
pallid quiver
i should really do another video but it gave enough info to you guys to look at ...
I think the thing that got me to help look at logs the most is the help and log review channel. Whoever's idea that was is a genius
whnich reminds me that I need to poke through there again
Haven't had time the past few days
jagged pier
i honestly prefer them in here
paper crypt
are you keeping SB up
Of all the mythic+ for which I have data, my highest shield block uptime is 87% and my lowest is 80%. My ignore pain highest is 97% and lowest is 87%
jagged pier
log-review is just filled with dps
lusty grotto
Of all the mythic+ for which I have data, my highest shield block uptime is 87% ...
thats details data, we cant really draw conclusions from it
pallid quiver
log-review is just filled with dps
We've actually had the most prot logs posted in a long time over there
paper crypt
Okay
pallid quiver
It's also helpful because you can filter it to prot
pallid quiver
Of all the mythic+ for which I have data, my highest shield block uptime is 87% ...
To elaborate, that could involve SB uptime not actually being useful (pressing it during an intermission where the boss is not attacking you or can be attacked, your back is turned so you can't block, etc), and IP uptime is heavily dictated by damage profiles coming in
lusty grotto
Of all the mythic+ for which I have data, my highest shield block uptime is 87% ...
also we dont really care about IP uptime
what ilvl is your shield
paper crypt
I only let ignore pain drop when I'm out of rage or during intermissions but that explains why it's so low
lusty grotto
and what ilvl is your wepaon
paper crypt
Shield block I just need to do better on
lusty grotto
focus on shield block, not ignore pain
round pendant
ignore ignore pain
pallid quiver
log-review is just filled with dps
oh, speaking of which, there's one person asking about some deposit on M gally fight in log reviews, Jakey. I have zero idea what the fuck they're talking about, so if you might be able to help them
pallid quiver
I only let ignore pain drop when I'm out of rage or during intermissions but tha...
You shouldn't be running out of rage, so that's pointing towards baseline issues with the spec, which are normally:
- Not actually pressing SS when it resets
- Overspending on IP
- Not pressing CDs on CD
paper crypt
what ilvl is your shield
671 on both
lusty grotto
671 on both
craft them
pallid quiver
But even with all those, the only thing you need to not die in 7s/8s is to use your defensive CDs at the right time
round pendant
did he say he was dying?
paper crypt
I have no gilded 😦
lusty grotto
do delves
keen vine
i just did a 13 priory with 85% sb uptime and 59% ignore pain, your problem its probably something else
paper crypt
did he say he was dying?
No, I almost never die. We just don't time the keys and I do take a lot of damage.
lusty grotto
you can get some gilded weekly via delves
jagged pier
oh, speaking of which, there's one person asking about some deposit on M gally f...
not even there myself 
lusty grotto
you should have crafted those 2 slots asap
instead of spending it on upping hero level loot
pallid quiver
not even there myself <:shruge:1111204342830223421>
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
tell him to use cheat engine or something i dunno
jagged pier
i presume they are doing somthing tho, seems pretty chill from what ive seen
hardy snow
0.09% wipe on bandit
round pendant
No, I almost never die. We just don't time the keys and I do take a lot of damag...
So it's probably your groups just griefing (dying a lot or doing no damage) or you're pulling way too little
jagged pier
0.09% wipe on bandit <:sadge:820202363359854633>
keep going ull get there
fights a yoke now
lusty grotto
you shouldnt take a lot of damage on 7s
paper crypt
So it's probably your groups just griefing (dying a lot or doing no damage) or y...
There is definitely some griefing, but if it smells everywhere check the bottom of your shoe right
lusty grotto
period
even if you dont have a gilded crafted shield
you have a maxed 8/8 hero shield
pallid quiver
On 7s/8s, you can easily time pulling one pack at a time as long as your DPS press buttons. The bigger issue is that you don't have a lot of people doing those keys at this point in the season that have keyboards with buttons on them
round pendant
There is definitely some griefing, but if it smells everywhere check the bottom ...
nah trust me, 7s are just a shit show at this point in the season
if you're not dying it's prob the dps players you're getting
lmao
jagged pier
i mean we need logs tbh if you are sturggling in 7s and 8s there probably a fundemental issue
lusty grotto
thats the key phrase right there
pallid quiver
There is definitely some griefing, but if it smells everywhere check the bottom ...
If you have your char name/server, we can try to see if anyone's posted logs in a run with you. It's very unlikely, but maybe there's something
Otherwise, I'd grab a log using one of the guides above and come back; there's a ton of things that could be problems
paper crypt
I've spent my crafting on my charged claymore and everforged vambraces for fury which I enjoy much more than prot. But fury can't get me to +10, so I'm focusing on prot 🙂
I do have two more sparks when I get enough gilded though
round pendant
Yeah I mean he's new, he's definitely doing stuff wrong but if he's not dying then he's not the reason the keys aren't being timed
lusty grotto
you should have 7 total sparks
paper crypt
Yeah I'm new. Started playing just over a month ago
lusty grotto
as of this week
minus 3 = 5 sparks
ok yam but we cant really help on that matter, we can help on prot specific stuff
or else we'd be giving advice to his whole group
and yes 7s are a shitshow
hardy snow
keep going ull get there
yea, yesterday we had 0.4% and one hunter died during BL XD
round pendant
I'm just giving him some positive affirmation
round pendant
Yeah I'm new. Started playing just over a month ago
post char name and realm
paper crypt
post char name and realm
Gruusha-Thunderlord
round pendant
no one's uploaded a log with you in it
slender marsh
As a fellow new tank player something i had to train my brain out of was pressing Ignore Pain too much and running myself out of rage. Shield block is king.
paper crypt
Wow warcraftlogs natively supports Linux 🙂 that's fantastic
lusty grotto
do you mean the client?
paper crypt
I'll get this set up and run more mythic+ to get proper logging
round pendant
yeah the uploader does
lusty grotto
its a neutron webapp, so i hope it does lmao
would mean something is extremely wrong with neutron
paper crypt
its a neutron webapp, so i hope it does lmao
You say that and yet a lot of devs make a point of making their cross-compatible applications not cross compatible lol
round pendant
I wonder if blizz will ever let eu play on us servers and vice versa
lusty grotto
i meant electron
paper crypt
I think it might be ignorance of how much easier linux is today than anything else
round pendant
It's alright
Microsoft keep making windows worse and worse so eventually people will get the memo
lusty grotto
shrug im fine with win11
hardy snow
positioning of menu bar in win11 is a disaster
round pendant
Everything's fine if you just lower your standards 🙂
lusty grotto
you wont have linux being better unless steam opens up
for gaming specifically
ive used it all yam
ive been on that side
round pendant
Only games that don't work on linux now are ones that have anticheats that just refuse to support it
plenty of games that work better on it too
fwiw I use windows still
pallid quiver
there's a non-zero amount of jp apps i've messed with that don't work with linux
round pendant
but I do have a linux install I dabble with sometimes
lusty grotto
shrug
i have 5 rigs with linux distros
that i use for different shit
and im up to...
remote anchor
🤓
lusty grotto
ive heard the argument before and the linux shilling
ive been part of it
for games? fuck linux
its better now
but fuck it
until steam opens up steam os
but even then it wont get close to having players swap
chilly brook
The only thing that SteamOS would be lacking would be support for anticheat
at least for me
round pendant
Most issues I've had with gaming on linux were window manager shenanigans fucking with things
Nowadays the games themselves run equal/better to the point I forget I'm on linux
Also, Wayland developers are assholes
but that's another topic
chilly brook
My experience on the Steam Deck has basically convinced me that I'm swapping to it on my desktop when it's finally released
Windows doodoo
stop advertising to me on a platform I had to PAY for
round pendant
Also not long until Microsoft force AI shit on everybody using windows
and ads
More ads I mean
It's the perfect storm for a revolution
chilly brook
stop hiding my functionality in dogshit menus
round pendant
How long's it been now since they discontinued the old control panel
and still don't have half the options in it available elsewhere
chilly brook
gotta dig to find more audio settings because volume mixer is the only option when you right click the audio icon on your taskbar
sharp gale
Im on windows 10
round pendant
Good, stay on that as long as you can
lusty grotto
sometimes i wonder if im on reddit when chatting here
its literally reddit hiveminding spilling over
round pendant
Great argument
lusty grotto
reddit.com : where we hate windows and surely its year of the linux
round pendant
Your retorts usually boil down to "it's good enough for me" and "lol reddit"
but whatevs
lusty grotto
do you seriously think im gonna engage you on another bitchfest?
this time with "windows"
sharp gale
Nim spend to much time on Reddit, are you a mod ?
round pendant
which honestly I'd argue is more of a reddit mindset than actually having nuance
round pendant
yam linux user?
nope
round pendant
Nim spend to much time on Reddit, are you a mod ?
He certainly has the dismissive attitude of one
round pendant
lol
lusty grotto
i guess
echo egret
well 5 masks took me all too long but its done
Would you happen to have a video link ?
paper crypt
Where do I see if I'm taking hits to the back? I can't find it anywhere on details
pallid quiver
Logs are the only way to check that
jagged pier
Would you happen to have a video link ?
i did record it can upload it unlisted sure
pallid quiver
Since you can check to see if any given attack that is blockable was blocked or not blocked; if you had shield block active, and you took a hit unblocked, you got slapped on the butt.
echo egret
i did record it can upload it unlisted sure
I'd be curious if you killed everything stuff or did your best to skip. Many mobs+half sanity bar is my issue atm
paper crypt
Darn
coarse latch
ive been trying to keep track of my violent outburst procs. I know the guide says to use them on shield slam, but what if it is on cd for like 5 sec? do we wait for ss to use it on that or is it ok to use it on clap?
round pendant
rule of thumb is if SS is more than 2 GCDs away then just send it on clap
if you don't have rage to spend on revenge to fish for a reset of SS
rocky relic
I usually drop a couple revenge hits to proc a free ss during violent outburst proc
pallid quiver
ive been trying to keep track of my violent outburst procs. I know the guide say...
Generally, you can fish for SS resets for 1-2 globals before going back to your normal rotation
In AOE as Colo, that means you revenge for 1-2 globals before going back to, uh
pressing revenge
coarse latch
ahh ok, thanks, i should actually spend like 15 mins looking at the talent trees. i didnt know that revenge was waht reset ss
pallid quiver
There's multiple things that reset SS, those being auto attacks, Thunder Clap, and Revenge
The auto-attack resets are normally the ones that catch people off, and why it doesn't seem like it resets as often as it does
rocky relic
Strategist, in your talent tree if you want to check it out!